DMSO - Dimethylsulphoxide

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Science => Diet and Health => Topic started by: Laura on March 27, 2010, 10:00:03 PM
Title: DMSO - Dimethylsulphoxide
Post by: Laura on March 27, 2010, 10:00:03 PM
I'm having such an interesting time with this stuff that I was surprised that there wasn't a thread
devoted to it though it has been discussed on other threads. I am hereby rectifying that omission.
Health Benefits DMSO: Dimethyl Sulfoxide

Dimethyl Sulfoxide
Also known as: DMSO; Dimethylsulphoxide; RIMSO
Description
Dimethyl Sulfoxide is a Sulfuric Compound originally used as an industrial solvent that since the
1960's has been recognized for various therapeutic benefits - its usage has been highly controversial.
Health Benefits of DMSO
Detoxification
DMSO (administered intravenously) facilitates the excretion of excessive accumulated Amyloid
(amyloidosis).
DMSO (applied topically) protects the body against the toxic effects of X-Rays [scientific research -
animals].
Excretory System
DMSO (50% solution applied topically to the Feet) alleviates Foot Odour (Bromidrosis) [observations
to date indicate that the longer that the DMSO solution is allowed to remain in contact with the feet,
the longer thereafter the Foot Odour subsides].
DMSO has been approved by the FDA in the treatment of Interstitial Cystitis (IC) [scientific research -
double blind human studies: DMSO markedly improves the condition of 93% of IC patients]:
DMSO treatment for IC should be administered by a suitably qualified medical practitioner - the usual
treatment protocol involves the administration of a 50% solution of DMSO intravesically (i.e. instilled
into the Urinary Tract) every 2 weeks for 2 sessions of 4 treatments each.
Immune System
DMSO helps to alleviate Allergies (by "unfolding" Cell Membranes, DMSO permits more Antigens to
attach to Cell Membranes, where they are more effectively neutralized by Antibodies).
DMSO significantly lessens Inflammation and swelling by reducing inflammatory exudate and
enhancing the development of granulation tissue. DMSO facilitates the movement of Macrophages
around and through the body's tissues (by increasing the body's production of Migration Inhibitory
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Factor [MIF]).
Metabolism
DMSO deactivates Hydroxyl Free Radicals (DMSO combines with Hydroxyl Free Radicals to form
Dimethyl Sulfone and Water which are then readily excreted from the body).
Musculoskeletal System
DMSO (either applied topically or consumed orally) minimizes the damage caused by crushing injuries
such as Bruises and pulled or wrenched Muscles :
- DMSO is a powerful scavenger of Hydroxyl Free Radicals which are responsible for much of the
damage caused in these injuries.
- If DMSO is applied quickly to an injury it is possible to eliminate entirely any Bruising.
DMSO alleviates Rheumatoid Arthritis (by deactivating Hydroxyl Free Radicals which are one of the
principal causes of the Inflammation and Pain associated with Rheumatoid Arthritis).
Nervous System
DMSO (DMSO/Amino Acid Combination) therapy partially reverses some of the abnormalities that
occur in Down's Syndrome [scientific research - humans: DMSO/Amino Acid therapy causes a
tendency towards accelerated maturity in Down's Syndrome children treated, with marked progress in
language integration. In some cases, this therapy causes the physical appearance of Down's Syndrome
children to more closely resemble that of normal children].
DMSO markedly reduces the formation of the abnormal Antibodies that are characteristic of
Myasthenia Gravis [scientific research - animals: note that this finding has not yet been confirmed for
humans]:
- As a secondary means of alleviating Myasthenia Gravis, DMSO also inhibits the actions of
Cholinesterases (similarly to the Anticholinesterase Pharmaceutical Drugs employed by orthodox
medicine in the treatment of Myasthenia Gravis).
DMSO alleviates Pain by impeding the conduction of Nerve Impulses relating to the Pain sensation in
the smaller Nerve Fibers.
DMSO (1 gram per kg of body weight administered intravenously in a 40% solution within 1 hour of
the occurrence of quadriplegia) helps to prevent Paralysis following injuries to the Brain or Spinal
Cord (by inhibiting the Free Radical damage that causes Paralysis) [scientific research].
DMSO (1 gram per kg of body weight administered intravenously into the Spinal Cord in a 40%
solution within 1 hour of the occurrence of quadriplegia) helps to prevent Paralysis following injuries
to the Spinal Cord that would otherwise cause Quadriplegia [scientific research - animals & humans:
this treatment often results in total avoidance and reversal of paralysis/quadriplegia].
DMSO (administered intravenously within 4 hours, and preferably within 90 minutes of its occurrence)
helps to prevent the after-effects (including Paralysis) following (the Embolic and Hemorrhagic forms
of) Stroke [scientific research - animals].
Respiratory System
DMSO (placed directly into the nostrils) can open the blocked Sinuses that are associated with
Sinusitis [scientific observation -
humans: relief occurs within minutes].
Skin
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DMSO (applied topically) alleviates the lesions that occur as a result of Herpes Zoster (Shingles).
DMSO (applied topically) helps to dissolve the (skin) tissues involved in Scarring [scientific research -
humans: a concentration of 50-80% DMSO applied topically 3 times per day flattens raised external
scars after several months - microscopic examination of the skin will reveal loosening of Collagen
bundles].
DMSO (applied topically) potently alleviates Scleroderma (where Scleroderma affects the Skin).
DMSO Enhances the Function of these Substances
DMSO enhances the bioavailability of many substances (it has the capability to transport many
therapeutic substances across the body's Cell Membranes without altering the integrity of Cell
Membranes). By increasing their bioavailability, DMSO permits a lower dosage of some drugs than
would otherwise be required.
Enzymes
DMSO inhibits the release of Cholinesterases (i.e. it possesses similar properties to Pharmaceutical
Anticholinesterases).
Hormones
When exogenous forms of endogenous Steroids (including Testosterone and the Hydrocortisone form
of Cortisone) are dissolved in DMSO prior to topical application, their topical bioavailability increases
by 300% [scientific research - humans].
Immune System Chemicals
DMSO can enter Cells to prime or activate the sub-cellular mechanisms involved in the production and
release of Migration Inhibitory Factor (MIF) and in addition, produces a cofactor that enhances MIF or
has MIF-like activity.
Neurotransmitters
DMSO facilitates the transport of (supplemental) Gamma Aminobutyric Acid (GABA) across the
Blood-Brain Barrier (without DMSO as a carrier-vehicle, GABA poorly crosses the Blood-Brain
Barrier).
Pharmaceutical Drugs
DMSO enhances the bioavailability and effectiveness of many Anti-Viral Pharmaceutical Drugs (DMSO
facilitates their transport directly across Cell Membranes into Cells where they are most potent
against Viruses).
DMSO facilitates the absorption of Penicillins - i.e. Penicillins can be dissolved in DMSO and applied
topically where they are efficiently transported across the Skin.
These Substances Enhance the Function of DMSO
Antioxidants
Antioxidants counteract DMSO's tendency to convert to Sulfoxide Free Radicals.
Side Effects of DMSO Therapy
Excretory System
DMSO (temporarily) causes Halitosis in the form of a garlic-like odor of the breath (this odor is very
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unpleasant and appears to be the major practical drawback in the usage of DMSO).
Free Radicals
After chemically reacting with Hydroxyl Free Radicals, DMSO is converted to a Sulfoxide Free Radical.
Skin
Itching is a common side effect of topical DMSO therapy - this side effect can usually be avoided by
diluting the concentration of DMSO. Skin Rashes are a common side effect of topical DMSO therapy -
this side effect can usually be avoided by diluting the concentration of DMSO.
Myths Dispelled
Eyes/Eyesight
DMSO is often avoided by orthodox medical practitioners due to UNFOUNDED fears that it can cause
Cataracts and other changes within the human Eye:
- This aspect of DMSO toxicology has been extensively tested in both animals and humans: the results
clearly show that DMSO does NOT cause Cataracts in humans even at extremely high dosages for
periods up to two years. No adverse changes were found in human or monkey eyes after prolonged,
high levels (up to 30 times the usual dosage) of DMSO treatment.
- The myth regarding DMSO's toxicity to human Eyes arises from toxicology studies that show that
DMSO DOES cause Cataracts and other changes in the Eyes of both dogs and rabbits, however the
toxicity of DMSO to the eyes of these animals definitely differs from that of humans.
Bioavailability
DMSO has the ability to pass through every tissue and Cell Membrane of the body except the Enamel
of Teeth, fingernails and Hair without destroying the integrity of these tissues and Cell Membranes
(i.e. it is a membrane penetrate). DMSO also permits the passage of a number of compounds across
the barriers of Cell Membranes.
DMSO is readily absorbed when administered topically onto human Skin - peak levels occur after 4-8
hours. Topical administered DMSO is slightly less bioavailable than orally ingested DMSO.
Orally ingested DMSO is also rapidly absorbed and reaches a blood serum peak in 4 hours and
becomes undetectable after 120 hours.
DMSO readily crosses the Blood-Brain Barrier (this property of DMSO allows its utilization as an
effective vehicle for transporting other substances that may not normally cross the Blood-Brain
Barrier).
DMSO is excreted from the body partly in an unchanged state and partly as its metabolite - Dimethyl
Sulfoxone (DMSO2).
DMSO as part of the Global Sulfur Cycle
DMSO is an intermediate product of the methyl-S-methane global Sulfur cycle which distributes
bioavailable Sulfur for all animal and plant life. Approximately 85% of Sulfur (for life) is derived from
the pathway:
- Sulfonium Salts > Dimethylsulfide > Dimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO) > Methylsulfonylmethane (MSM)
- Sulfonium Salts (produced by phytoplankton in Water) yield the volatile thioether named
Dimethylsulfide which is released into the upper atmosphere.
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- Sunlight catalyzes the oxidation of Dimethylsufide to DMSO.
- DMSO is further oxidized in the upper atmosphere (by Sunlight) to form MSM.
- This MSM is then concentrated into raindrops which return to the surface of the earth.
- Plants absorb and accumulate this MSM (and use some of this MSM for bulding Sulfuric compounds).
Forms of DMSO
DMSO is manufactured in liquid and gel forms.
Dosage Recommendations
Long Term Dosage Reduction
Less DMSO is required to achieve therapeutic results as time passes (i.e. the cumulative effects of
DMSO appear to increase with the passage of time).
Topical Therapeutic Dosage Protocol
The liquid form of DMSO is the most effective form of topical DMSO application, although most people
prefer the gel form.
Topically applied DMSO is not rubbed onto the Skin but painted or patted on with a thin coating.
The concentration of DMSO used in topical treatments should ideally be individualized on a cases by
case basis - the optimal concentration varies from 50-80% DMSO.
The Face and Neck are more sensitive to topical DMSO than other parts of the body - the maximum
concentration of DMSO for application to the Face or Neck should be no greater than 50%.
Topical applications of DMSO should not exceed 70% in areas of the skin affected by poor circulation.
It is desirable to commence topical DMSO treatment at low concentrations until Skin tolerance builds
up.
The Skin must be clean, dry and unbroken before topical application of DMSO.
Aloe Vera gel is an excellent remedy for the temporary Skin irritation that sometimes occurs as a
result of topical DMSO therapy.
Oral DMSO Dosage Protocol
The usual oral dosage of DMSO is 1 - 2 teaspoons (5 - 10 ml) per day.
Oral DMSO is normally mixed with Tomato juice or Grape juice to mask its "foul" taste.
Intravenous Injections of DMSO Dosage Protocol
Up to 20 cc DMSO that has been diluted to a 25% concentration with sterile water is often
administered via intravenous injection by suitably trained physicians for the treatment of the more
serious degenerative diseases.
Injected DMSO is not administered by infusion or by the drip technique but is administered by the
"slow push" method which involves a slow push into the bloodstream all at once.
Intravenous Drip DMSO Dosage Protocol
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The slow intravenous drip method is applied over a 2-3 hour period. It involves the addition of 50-100
cc DMSO to a 500 cc glucose or saline solution, dripped into a vein in the patient's arm. This method
should only be administered by a suitably qualified physician.
Commercial Availability of DMSO
Industrial Grade DMSO
Caution: many of the industrial grade DMSO solutions intended for use as solvents have an acid or
Acetone contamination of several percent. Acetone contamination can lead to serious medical
consequences - because of its small molecular weight, Acetone is readily carried into the blood by
Acetone-contaminated DMSO.
Source of Commercial DMSO
In the USA, commercially manufactured DMSO is derived from Lignin.
DMSO/Water Combinations
Brand Composition Description
RIMSO-50: 50% DMSO
50% Water Pure pharmaceutical grade DMSO manufactured by Terra Pharmaceuticals Inc. of Buena
Park, California.
Supplied in 50 cc vials.
Domosa: 90% DMSO
10% Water Pharmaceutical grade DMSO suitable for injection or for further dilution with water for
topical or oral ingestion.
Supplied in pint bottles and in gallon bottles for veterinary use.
Dimexide: Brand name for DMSO in Russia.
DMSO/Amino Acid Combinations
Brand Country Available Description
Akron:
Merinex: Argentina
Chile DMSO combined with Amino Acids (Gamma-Aminobutyric Acid [GABA], Gamma-Amino-
Beta-Hydroxybutyric Acid [GABOB] and Acetylglutamine).5 ml ampoules (for intramuscular injection)
and capsules (for oral administration).The dosage protocol for DMSO/Amino Acid combinations
involves one intramuscular injection every 2nd day and 2 or 3 capsules orally each day. Injections are
suspended every 40 days for a rest period of 1 month during which capsules are still used. This
program of treatment normally lasts for 1 year.Akron and Merinex are not approved by the FDA for
use in the USA.
Vasoactive DMSO Combinations
Ipran is the trade name of a vasoactive DMSO product, however this product has not been approved
for use in the USA.
DMSO's Chemical Structure
The DMSO molecule is ten-sided with a center occupied by a Sulfur atom. It contains two methyl
groups - an oxygen atom and a nonbinding electron pair - located at the points of the tetrahydron.
Molecular weight: 78.15
Freezing point: 68 degrees Fahrenheit
Title: Re: DMSO - Dimethylsulphoxide
Post by: zlyja on March 27, 2010, 11:56:36 PM
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Well I apologize if anything I'm about to post has been discussed on the forum before, or if anything
in my post has already been discussed above, but I found a page that talks of how DMSO could be
used for heavy metal detoxes (which made me confuse it with DMSA, my mistake!), so I thought it
might complement Laura's data. Also, DMSO might be useful for an anti-candida plan.
_http://www.healthandlongevity.org/dmso-therapy
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Dimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO) has been used for years among professional athletes to treat muscle related sports injuries. Now anyone who
suffers from arthritis, back pain,, circulation problems, tissue damage and degenerative diseases, fibromyalgia, poor circulation can benefit
from the natural anti-inflammatory properties of DMSO.
Source of Organic Sulfur
DMSO is a rich source of organic sulfur. This is a mineral, non-metallic sulfur compound, which occurs widely in nature. When salt rich
ocean water vaporizes, it is oxidized into DMSO. It then dissolves in atmospheric moisture, caught in the clouds and falls to the earth
when it rains or snows.
Garlic is widely considered a powerful healing agent predominantly because of the sulfur in it. Dimethyl Sulfoxide is effective for the same
reason. In fact this colorless, oily-feeling liquid has a garlic-like odor because of its sulfur.
DMSO Benefits:
* DMSO Therapy is a natural anti-inflammatory solution for pain, circulation problems, tissue damage and degenerative diseases,
fibromyalgia, arthritis, back pain, poor circulation.
* DMSO has been used by professional athletes for decades to heal muscle injuries, and to stop muscle pain.
* DMSO helps to reduce the swelling, which is a result of inflammation of tissues and cartilages that have been injured.
DMSO reduces inflammation and stimulates wound healing by acting as natural anti-bacterial, anti-viral, anti-fungal, and,
therefore, anti-inflammatory substance.
* DMSO helps to heal muscles by enhancing the transport of minerals across cell membranes to improve their absorption.
Our DMSO Intravenous (IV) Therapy
After checking your blood work to see if you are a candidate for DMSO Treatment, we will administer a DMSO IV treatment. The therapy
is administered by a qualified RN or MD will not take up much of your time. You may be asked to come back for a follow up visit to make
sure the treatment is delivering results.
Q&A About DMSO:
Why does the body need sulfur?
The body uses sulfur to continually create new healthy cells to replace old ones. Without it, the body will produce weak dysfunctional cells.
Sulfur is needed to maintain cell membrane permeability.
This is important for detoxification: to ensure, that nutrients are delivered into the cells, and toxins and waste products can exit the cells.
Sulfur is essential for the formation and maintenance of connective tissue, to combat inflammation, support a strong healthy immune
system.
What happens when we don't have enough sulfur?
Sulfur deficiencies are common as it is lost in food processing. Sulfur deficiencies are associated with: slow wound healing, scar tissue,
brittle nails, brittle hair, gastrointestinal problems, inflammation, lung dysfunction, immune dysfunction, arthritis, acne, rashes, depression,
memory loss.
Are There Other Benefits to DMSO?
Yes. DMSO can assist in Heavy Metal Detoxification. Heavy metals ( mercury, lead, aluminum, cadmium, arsenic, nickel ) are
very difficult to detoxify from, and they are the root of many diseases.
Sulfur is a mineral and a major ingredient of certain amino acids, which bind with minerals or heavy metals. Body drops heavy
metals for minerals, which in this case would be sulfur. Amino acids substitute sulfur for toxic heavy metals, bind with them,
and eliminate them via urination, defecation and sweating.
Also, DMSO is efficient at scavenging free radicals. It is perfect anti-oxidant.
Can DMSO Help with Authritis Pain?
The fact that DMSO is getting rid of bacteria and viruses, and able to bring down the swelling, inflammation and pain in tissues makes it
easier to understand why this sulfur compound is useful in the treatment of arthritis and other related diseases. Clinical studies and patient
results have demonstrated that DMSO used to alleviate the causes and symptoms of arthritic inflammation have been very successful.
Synergism With Other Supplements
DMSO is able to move through cell membranes with extreme ease. Since this chemical is also easily binds with so many other chemicals,
it is able to transport supplements more efficiently into the cells where are needed. Because of this, the effectiveness of supplements is
increased, and lower doses can be possibly used.
However, while it can bind with hydroxyl free radicals, it needs other antioxidants to prevent the
formation of Sulfoxide free radicals, if I understand it right. So, what kind of antioxidant binds with
sulfoxide free radicals? Does it have to be a specific kind, or can it be either glutathione, vitamin C,
etc.?
Also, is DMSO dangerous for people with sulfur allergies? Based on what I looked up, it could cause
topical irritation, but I don't know how it could affect someone if taken orally. Also, could there be a
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great risk for contamination if the DMSO unexpectedly binds with some nasty compound and carries it
into the cells?
Apologies if these are questions that I could have easily researched on my own, but my knowledge of
organic and biochemistry is extremely limited. Thank you for posting all of this information! It will be
a while before it all can properly digest, though. :)
Post by: 3D Student on March 28, 2010, 03:03:46 AM
Wow, thanks for the info. I've been hearing about this DMSO around the forum and it seemed like a
nice thing to have around the house. A potent cure all it seems. It reminds me of the C's transcript
where they were talking about the monoatomic gold. It was mentioned that there was something that
can easily transport a medicine or whatever into the blood. And that this would be something that
would be kept a secret because of its ease in delivering anything into the body.
Post by: Gaby on March 28, 2010, 08:11:01 AM
Quote from: zlyja on March 27, 2010, 11:56:36 PM
Also, is DMSO dangerous for people with sulfur allergies? Based on what I looked up, it could cause topical irritation, but I don't know how
it could affect someone if taken orally. Also, could there be a great risk for contamination if the DMSO unexpectedly binds with some
nasty compound and carries it into the cells?
Best to take care by using DMSO with substances that remove toxins and that are good to our bodies.
I have an allergic tendency to sulfur containing foods which made me hesitant to try DMSO before.
But after finding no information for my supposed fears, I've tried DMSO and MSM successfully and
without problems.
FWIW, I found some info about sulfur allergies here:
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http://www.msmguide.com/facts/faq/#five
Q:I am allergic to sulfur. Can I take MSM?
A:Strictly speaking, the concept of a sulfur allergy is a misconception: sulfur is an element, the third most abundant mineral in the
human body. It's not possible to be allergic to sulfur because it has no protein component. When people say they are "allergic to
sulfur", what they really mean is that they are allergic or sensitive to certain sulfur-containing substances, most notably to
sulfa antibiotics (sulfonamides) or to sulfites (preservatives used in wines and some foods), or to foods with a high sulfur
content (broccoli or cauliflower).
Many individuals with allergies to sulfa drugs or to sulfites do not experience problems taking MSM, because apart from sulfur, MSM bears
no relation to these substances. However, people who are allergic to one drug are more likely to be allergic to another, regardless of
its chemical structure. So if you have a known allergy to sulfonamides or to sulfites, consult with your physician before taking MSM.
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http://www.itmonline.org/arts/sulfa.htm
Differentiating Sulfur Compounds
Sulfa Drugs, Glucosamine Sulfate, Sulfur, and Sulfiting Agents
There are several misconceptions about sulfur compounds that lead anxiety about using some natural health care substances. A typical
worry is that a person who is allergic to sulfa drugs may have problems with substances that contain sulfur. This article is
aimed at clarifying the nature of the substances involved.
First, sulfur is an element of the earth. This element is essential to life, and is the eighth most prevalent element in the human body. No
one is allergic to sulfur itself. Sulfur is not present as an isolated element in the body, but in combination with other elements and, most
often, in complex molecules. The primary placement of sulfur in the human body is in the sulfur-containing amino acids: methionine,
cysteine, homocysteine (and related cystine, homocystine), and taurine.
Disulfide bonds are important to the structural integrity of the connective tissues. Sulfur is a central component of proteins that
chelate and remove heavy metals from the body. The benefits of sulfur compounds used in health products is often mentioned.
Popular items include alpha-lipoic acid (thiotic acid), methyl-sulfonyl-methane (MSM), allicin (the sulfur compound that is the
main active ingredient of garlic), glucosamine sulfate (and its natural polymer, chondroitin), SAMe (S-adenosylmethionine),
and several important antioxidants, such as glutathione, N-acetylcysteine (NAC) and dimethyl-sulfoxide (DMSO).
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Composition of the Human Body
Hydrogen 63.0
Oxygen 25.5
Carbon 9.5
Nitrogen 1.4
Calcium 0.31
Phosphorus 0.22
Potassium 0.06
Sulfur 0.05
Chlorine 0.03
Sodium 0.03
Magnesium 0.01
All others 0.01
SULFA DRUGS
One of the more common drug allergies is that to sulfa drugs. Sulfa drugs are more appropriately labeled sulfonamides and are derivatives
of para-amino benzoic acid. The table below lists common medications that contain a sulfonamide component.
Sulfonamide drug classes/individual drugs that may cause allergic reactions
Sulfonamide Antibiotics
sulfadiazine
sulfamethoxazole
sulfasalazine
sulfisoxazole
sulfacetamide
sulfanilamide
sulfathiazole
sulfabenzamide Thiazide Diuretics
hydrochlorothiazide
chlorthiazide
metolazone
chlorthalidone
indapamide
methyclothiazide Loop Diuretics
furosemide Sulfonylureas
chlorpropamide
tolbutamide
tolazamide
glipizide
glyburide Carbonic Anhydrase Inhibitors
acetazolamide
The sulfa drugs are usually not allergenic by themselves, but when a sulfonamide molecule is metabolized in the body, it is capable of
attaching to proteins, thus forming a larger molecule that could serve as an allergen. Thus, the allergy is not to the original drug, but to a
drug-protein complex. It is estimated that a skin rash occurs in about 3.5% of hospitalized patients receiving sulfonamides, but people
with HIV infection seem to have a considerably higher sensitivity to them.
A sulfanomide (see sample structure, below) does contain sulfur, but the sulfur atoms are imbedded in a complex molecule. The sulfur
atom is not the allergenic agent and being allergic to sulfa drugs does not imply having a propensity to allergy to other sulfur compounds.
Rather, it is a unique property of this kind of compound, namely that it can form proteins that are allergenic in some individuals.
Structure of a sulfanomide
GLUCOSAMINE SULFATE
Glucosamine sulfate is an amino acid polymer that combines with sodium or potassium (depending on how it is prepared) and with sulfate
(SO4). Neither glucosamine, nor sulfate, are allergenic components. Glucosamine sulfate is not known to cause allergy reactions.
Glucosamine sulfate is an existing component in the human body, mainly in the connective tissues. When obtained for use in dietary
supplements, glucosamine sulfate is commonly derived from shellfish, such as crabs, where it is present as chitin in the shell materials. If it
were poorly prepared, persons with shellfish allergy (the allergy is mainly to the muscle portion that is eaten rather than the shell) might
have to worry about taking this product. However, purification of the glucosamine sulfate in the standard processing used for dietary
supplements makes it safe for virtually everyone with a shellfish allergy problem. Glucosamine sulfate appears helpful as a dietary
supplement for nourishing the joints, because it is involved in the production of cartilage and synovial fluid and may help replenish depleted
or damaged tissues; it has been shown to have anti-inflammatory properties and may protect against development of atherosclerosis.
There is no evidence or reason to believe that those who are sensitive to sulfites (see below) or sulfa drugs are at any elevated risk of
sensitivity to glucosamine sulfate, so this commonly used supplement can be enjoyed without worry
Structure of glucosamine sulfate
SULFITES
Sulfites (or sulfiting agents) refer to a group of simple chemicals that include sulfur dioxide and sulfite salts. They are produced naturally in
some foods, mainly those undergoing fermentation. Sulfites are metabolized to sulfur dioxide under certain conditions that depend on
concentration, heat, and pH. Sulfur dioxide has been considered to be the offending component in cases of sulfite hypersensitivity, based
on the established sensitivity of asthmatics to inhaled sulfur dioxide. Even so, clinical reports of this sensitivity have involved very few
people, and new analytic reports have not appeared in over a decade. This hypersensitivity is often called an allergy, but does not involve
immune mechanisms as do reactions that are properly termed allergies.
Some sulfiting agents are FDA approved preservatives that are added to food and pharmaceuticals. The more common sulfiting agents
are sodium sulfite (Na2SO3), sodium bisulfite (pictured below; NaHSO3), and sodium metabisulfite (Na2S2O3). Examples of foods
containing sulfites are listed in the next table; these foods may only contain sulfites under certain conditions. However, the FDA has
banned adding sulfites to fresh fruits and vegetables offered in restaurants and other public venues due to the concerns that were raised.
Juices squeezed from lemons and limes will not have sulfites, but bottled or dehydrated juice may contain sulfites.
Structure of sodium bisulfite
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Foods that may contain sulfites
Dried soup mixes
Vegetable juices
Baked goods
Canned or dried fish
Dried fruit
Relishes
Maraschino cherries Dehydrated vegetables
Shredded coconut
Sauerkraut
Dried noodle meals
Olives
Pickles
Shrimp, lobster, scallops Lemon and lime juice
Jams and jellies
Grape juice
Wine
Molasses
Gravies
Potatoes
A sulfite reaction is different from a sulfonamide allergy (a reaction to sulfa drugs) because sulfites and sulfonamides are entirely different
chemicals and have unrelated mechanisms of reaction. A person sensitive to sulfites is no more likely to be allergic to sulfonamides than
any other individual and vice versa. The following mechanisms of sulfite sensitivity have been proposed:
* cholinergic reflex response
* IgE mediated delayed hypersensitivity
* sulfite oxidase deficiency
No antibody or specific complement activity (as would be found in true allergies) has been identified in association with sulfite exposure.
Sulfite sensitivity is a matter that is complicated by the fact that it is often reported by persons who display several types of
hypersensitivity, so that it is difficult to confirm that sulfites are actually causative factors in perceived reactions. For example, a study of
asthmatics who were sensitive to wine indicated that there appeared to be a reduced sensitivity to sulfite-free wine, but that this was
likely due to other differences in the wine products, since direct challenge with high-sulfite wine only rarely was associated with a reaction.
Reactions to red wines, which appear to occur more often than to white wines, are apparently associated primarily with compounds in the
wine other than sulfites.
The FDA estimates that about 1% of the population may have some degree of sulfite sensitivity, while that figure rises to 5% of
asthmatics, mainly affecting those with severe persistent asthma. Because of concerns about sulfite sensitivity, there is a requirement
imposed by the FDA to label packaged foods as having sulfites if they contain as little as 10 ppm. Generally, foods with less than 100 ppm
of sulfites will not affect sensitive asthmatics, so there is a ten-fold safety margin. From 1996 through mid-1999, the FDA received a
total of only 34 reports (about 10 per year) of adverse reactions allegedly due to eating foods containing undeclared sulfites. FDA
specialists in the area of sulfites have not discovered the mechanism that is responsible for the apparent reactions. However, if sulfur
dioxide acts in sensitive individuals to cause constriction, this could explain both the asthmatic response and the report that some people
suffer headaches. Hospitals may have to consider extra precautions about sulfites used as preservatives in their drugs because people
with serious illness may have a heightened degree of sensitivity or more diverse reactions to sulfur dioxide and the drugs may be
introduced directly into the blood stream or lungs.
Several years ago, a large Western herb company began promoting the idea that Chinese herbs were problematic for those with sulfite
sensitivity because many of them were treated with sulfites. Sulfur treatment is sometimes used to prevent herbs from deteriorating,
usually by placing the herbs on a screen and having sulfur vapors briefly flow from below the screen, which could leave traces of sulfur
dioxide (sulfur prevents the herbs from deteriorating). At the Institute for Traditional Medicine, herb formulations have been provided for
nearly 20 years and administered to hundreds of thousands of people seeking Chinese medical health care. Among these people are
many who claim to be sulfite sensitive. ITM has not received any reports of sulfite-sensitive patients having evident sulfite reactions to the
herb products, despite the fact that some of the herbs are "sulfured". It may well be that there is so little residual sulfur dioxide (and any
related compounds) that it doesn't cause a reaction, or it may be that the form of sulfur residue is not one that causes the reactions, or it
may be that many of the sensitivities that are described as reactions to sulfites are not actually reactions to sulfites. Nonetheless, some
Chinese herb companies have described the items that they provide as "sulfur-free" in response to the concerns that were raised. It is not
known whether they routinely use different herb materials in support of those claims.
December 2005
APPENDIX 1: Example of Using Sulfur Compounds: Allicin-DMSO Spray
A unique formulation with two sulfur ingredients is the result of collaboration between several individuals and organizations. Allicin refers to
a highly concentrated extract of garlic, rich in antibiotic and mucolytic compounds (of which the sulfur compound allicin is the main one)
that is manufactured in Shanghai, China under strict quality control measures and imported to the U.S. by Dr. Qingcai Zhang. The extract
comes in hermetically sealed vials that are used for intravenous applications of the garlic extract. Several clinics have used this imported
allicin for respiratory therapy (in a nebulizer), for intestinal infections (by retention enema), and for systemic infections (by IV
administration). DMSO is a refined component from trees that has several applications, including antioxidant therapy, though it is
especially known for its highly penetrating characteristics: it is used to help carry other substances to areas of the body that are
congested or difficult to penetrate. DMSO (dimethyl-sulfoxide) and its derivative compound, MSM (methyl-sulfonyl-methane), are also
being used as sulfur donor molecules in treatment of several inflammatory disorders, including arthritis. Dr. Stan Jacobs, at the Oregon
Health Sciences University, is the leading expert in use of DMSO and MSM; he had provided the recommendations for use of DMSO for
this spray. The combination has now been in use for twelve years, with excellent acceptance and no adverse reports. The DMSO
(pharmaceutical grade) and allicin are combined and packaged with a unique nasal sprayer by John Rawson of Flander's Pharmacy in
Portland, Oregon. The allicin and DMSO are passed through microfilters to guarantee freedom from micro-organisms. The spray nozzle
produces a very fine mist that penetrates the congested areas. Due to the particular characteristics of the spray unit, the glass bottles
containing the allicin-DMSO mixture are not full, though they are packed with the correct amount of fluid.
Structure of DMSO
DMSO Structure of allicin
Allicin
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The primary indication for this nasal spray is for helping to alleviate persistent nasal congestion that is due to nasal infections resistant to
standard antibiotics or resistant to decongestant therapies; it might also be applied in cases of persisting congestion due to allergies. The
spray can be used as needed, up to 6 times per day, with one or two doses (sprays) delivered each time. The allicin component of the
formulation may produce a temporary stinging sensation in some users. Both the allicin and DMSO have a garlic-like smell.
Post by: Pete on March 28, 2010, 08:32:12 AM
Quote from: Laura
DMSO (applied topically) protects the body against the toxic effects of X-Rays [scientific research - animals].
Sounds like this would be good to have if I get stuck going thru one of those machines in the airport
eh? In all seriousness tho this stuff really sounds like the miracle cure for a lot of different ailments.
:wow: Thanks for all the info you guys!
Post by: Laura on March 28, 2010, 09:27:21 AM
I'm picking up bits and pieces about it here and there.
Quote
http://www.cdadc.com/ds/dmso.htm
Dimethyl Sulfoxide is seldom used on it's own in treating Down Syndrome. DMSO is mainly used as a carrier for other nutrients. By
this, I mean, it has been found that DMSO will move vitamins and so on much more readily through cell membranes, thus
allowing more of the nutrient into the cell. Which is one of the biggest benefits of DMSO in providing treatment to those with Down
Syndrome.
Another benefit of DMSO : It is one of the most powerful antioxidants around, far superior I understand to any vitamin or
mineral. This DMSO antioxidant property is of vital interest in those treating Down Syndrome, as Down Syndrome individuals are believed
to have higher levels of damaging oxidation in the brain, which may then cause dementia, such as Alzheimer's Disease.
Post by: Mrs. Peel on March 28, 2010, 03:49:28 PM
Quote from: Laura on March 28, 2010, 09:27:21 AM
Quote
allowing more of the nutrient into the cell. Which is one of the biggest benefits of DMSO in providing treatment to those with Down
Syndrome.
mineral. This DMSO antioxidant property is of vital interest in those treating Down Syndrome, as Down Syndrome individuals are
believed to have higher levels of damaging oxidation in the brain, which may then cause dementia, such as Alzheimer's Disease.
Does that mean you can take it internally?
Post by: Mac on March 28, 2010, 04:28:56 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Peel on March 28, 2010, 03:49:28 PM
Quote from: Laura on March 28, 2010, 09:27:21 AM
Quote
allowing more of the nutrient into the cell. Which is one of the biggest benefits of DMSO in providing treatment to those with
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Down Syndrome.
mineral. This DMSO antioxidant property is of vital interest in those treating Down Syndrome, as Down Syndrome individuals are
believed to have higher levels of damaging oxidation in the brain, which may then cause dementia, such as Alzheimer's Disease.
Does that mean you can take it internally?
Good question. I find that after I use DMSO topically for awhile I just feel better. DMSO internally
would probably work gangbusters on general inflammation. Can DMSO be used safely internally? The
same stuff that is used topically?
Mac
Post by: Gaby on March 28, 2010, 04:34:59 PM
Yeah, but be ready to have an "asparagus" smell emanating from your body ;) DMSO can last for
days, it takes 120 hours or so in order to be eliminated from the body, so that is another thing that
can be considered when taken orally. But FWIW:
Quote from: Morton Walker
The usual dosage of DMSO is one to two teaspoons per day. [...]
Certain fair-skinned people such as those with red or blond hair and blue eyes are more sensitive to DMSO. For them, the topical, oral, or
intravenous concentration should be 50% or less, particularly around the face and neck." -DMSO, Nature's Healer by Dr. Morton Walker.
Post by: Mrs. Peel on March 28, 2010, 04:37:35 PM
Quote from: Mac on March 28, 2010, 04:28:56 PM
Good question. I find that after I use DMSO topically for awhile I just feel better. DMSO internally would probably work gangbusters on
general inflammation. Can DMSO be used safely internally? The same stuff that is used topically?
Mac
Well, I found this:
http://www.arthritistoday.org/treatments/supplement-guide/supplements/dmso.php
take internally, only if prescribed by a physician.
Side effects of DMSO taken internally include headache, dizziness, drowsiness, nausea, vomiting,
diarrhea, constipation and anorexia. Topical DMSO also can cause skin irritation and dermatitis. Do
not use DMSO if you have diabetes, asthma or liver, kidney or heart conditions. Never take
industrial-grade DMSO. Wash off any lotions or skin products before applying DMSO.
The initial post by Laura has summarized info from the book DMSO: Nature's Healer by Dr. Morton
Walker, it also has the recommended concentrations, precautions and the possible routes of DMSO:
Quote
http://www.hypermed.com.au/updates/DMSO%20-%20Information.htm
Dosage Recommendations
Long Term Dosage Reduction
Less DMSO is required to achieve therapeutic results as time passes (i.e. the cumulative effects of DMSO appear to increase with the
passage of time).
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Topical Therapeutic Dosage Protocol
The liquid form of DMSO is the most effective form of topical DMSO application, although most people prefer the gel form.
Topically applied DMSO is not rubbed onto the Skin but painted or patted on with a thin coating.
The concentration of DMSO used in topical treatments should ideally be individualized on a cases by case basis - the optimal concentration
varies from 50-80% DMSO.
The Face and Neck are more sensitive to topical DMSO than other parts of the body - the maximum concentration of DMSO for
application to the Face or Neck should be no greater than 50%.
Topical applications of DMSO should not exceed 70% in areas of the skin affected by poor circulation. It is desirable to commence topical
DMSO treatment at low concentrations until Skin tolerance builds up.
The Skin must be clean, dry and unbroken before topical application of DMSO.
Aloe Vera gel is an excellent remedy for the temporary Skin irritation that sometimes occurs as a result of topical DMSO therapy.
Oral DMSO Dosage Protocol
The usual oral dosage of DMSO is 1 - 2 teaspoons (5 - 10 ml) per day.
Oral DMSO is normally mixed with Tomato juice or Grape juice to mask its "foul" taste.
Intravenous Injections of DMSO Dosage Protocol
Up to 20 cc DMSO that has been diluted to a 25% concentration with sterile water is often administered via intravenous injection by
suitably trained physicians for the treatment of the more serious degenerative diseases.
Injected DMSO is not administered by infusion or by the drip technique but is administered by the "slow push" method which involves a
slow push into the bloodstream all at once.
Intravenous Drip DMSO Dosage Protocol
The slow intravenous drip method is applied over a 2-3 hour period. It involves the addition of 50-100 cc DMSO to a 500 cc glucose or
saline solution, dripped into a vein in the patient's arm. This method should only be administered by a suitably qualified physician.
Commercial Availability of DMSO
Industrial Grade DMSO
Caution: many of the industrial grade DMSO solutions intended for use as solvents have an acid or Acetone contamination of several
percent. Acetone contamination can lead to serious medical consequences - because of its small molecular weight, Acetone is readily
carried into the blood by Acetone-contaminated DMSO.
Source of Commercial DMSO
In the USA, commercially manufactured DMSO is derived from Lignin.
DMSO/Water Combinations
Brand Composition Description
RIMSO-50: 50% DMSO
50% Water Pure pharmaceutical grade DMSO manufactured by Terra Pharmaceuticals Inc. of Buena Park, California.
Supplied in 50 cc vials.
Domosa: 90% DMSO
10% Water Pharmaceutical grade DMSO suitable for injection or for further dilution with water for topical or oral ingestion.
Supplied in pint bottles and in gallon bottles for veterinary use.
Dimexide: Brand name for DMSO in Russia.
Quote from: Mrs. Peel on March 28, 2010, 04:37:35 PM
_http://www.arthritistoday.org/treatments/supplement-guide/supplements/dmso.php
take internally, only if prescribed by a physician.
Side effects of DMSO taken internally include headache, dizziness, drowsiness, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, constipation and anorexia.
Topical DMSO also can cause skin irritation and dermatitis. Do not use DMSO if you have diabetes, asthma or liver, kidney or heart
conditions. Never take industrial-grade DMSO. Wash off any lotions or skin products before applying DMSO.
And these are the sponsors of that organization: _http://www.arthritis.org/sponsors.php
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Also, "The Arthritis Foundation complies with the National Health Council's Standards of Excellence."
In other words, it compiles with FDA and Big Pharma's standards of medical control :whistle:
Anyhow, it is probably best to try a diluted concentration of DMSO to see how the body responds.
50% or less seems to be the way to go.
I've used 70% concentrations orally, not daily, but depending on inflammatory status. I plan to
reduce, as specified in the initial article posted by Laura, "less DMSO is required to achieve
therapeutic results as time passes"
Wow, thanks for all the info, Psyche! I learned way more about allergens and organic compounds in
your post than I would have looking through my textbook for an hour.
About the Allicin-DMSO nasal spray suggested in the article: I couldn't find anything like it being sold
online. Do you think that one would be able to make something like it at home?
I'm not very familiar with diluting substances, but you say that about a <=50% concentration of
DMSO is good, yes? So, say if you want a 50% concentration of DMSO in 100ml of water, you would
need 50 grams of DMSO. If you wanted to add allicin extract to it, then would it be better to add 25g
DMSO and 25g allicin extract to 100ml of water? Or would that not be potent enough? How about 50g
DMSO and 50g allicin in 100ml of water?
Sorry to be asking you math questions on a health forum, but I really don't have much of a clue on
proper dosages. I wanted to suggest this idea to my mother, as she has chronic sinus infections and
the antibiotics she takes for it don't cure it completely. Again, thank you for the information. :)
If you haven't bought your DMSO bottle, I think you can get a 50% concentration online which you
can use for this purpose. But I don't see why you can't dilute at home, but you have to use distilled
water.
50g of DMSO in 100g water = 50/100 = 50% concentration.
25g of DMSO in 100ml water would be 25% concentration DMSO.
Here are allicin levels and dosage recommendations which you can add to the 50% concentration:
http://www.nutraproductsinc.com/nutraselect/NPIALLICINDOSAGEREC.pdf
I'm going through the DMSO book (just got started today), if I find other suggestions, I'll post them.
I have some pharmaceutical grade DMSO and I pour about two teaspoons in a glass in the evening,
put my 20 mg of doxycycline in it, add about 2 teaspoons of distilled water, and then take it in my
mouth and swish it around for about 2 or 3 minutes and then swallow it. So I guess it is about 50%
solution. It's REALLY working on my mouth. That inflamed area of my jaw has calmed down about
70% in just a couple of days. Or more, actually. I expect it to be completely soothed by tomorrow
after tonight's dose of DMSO.
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Post by: NormaRegula on March 28, 2010, 08:42:36 PM
Quote from: zlyja
Wow, thanks for all the info, Psyche! I learned way more about allergens and organic compounds in your post than I would have looking
through my textbook for an hour.
Me, too. Just another example of the power of this wonderful network.
And thanks, Psyche, for sharing on a daily basis your vast knowledge of healing remedies and
accompanying data.
Quote from: Laura
It's REALLY working on my mouth. That inflamed area of my jaw has calmed down about 70% in just a couple of days. Or more,
actually. I expect it to be completely soothed by tomorrow after tonight's dose of DMSO.
Good news to hear, Laura!

Thank you for the dosage recommendations and for the math help, Psyche! So, I think that either a
clove of crushed garlic or a few capsules of allicin should do the trick with the 50% concentration
DMSO. I haven't bought any yet, though. I have reverse-osmosis water available in my house, but its
stored in a 20-year old plastic water cooler. So, it's probably best to try and find DMSO that's already
50% concentrate, to prevent contamination.
And I'm glad to hear that your jaw is getting better, Laura! I have to ask, though: where on Earth can
you afford all the supplements you take? Everywhere offline I look, the good stuff without any sugar,
soy, etc. is at least 20$.
And I'm glad to hear that your jaw is getting better, Laura! I have to ask, though: where on Earth can you afford all the supplements you
take? Everywhere offline I look, the good stuff without any sugar, soy, etc. is at least 20$.
Thankfully, there is a network of wonderful people who send us most of what we need on a regular
basis! If it weren't for the supplements and other assistance, we would NOT be able to keep on
going. I wouldn't, for sure. I get slammed regularly and repeatedly because I am out there in the
front line, so it takes a network to keep me functional and locked and loaded!
And you certainly deserve all the help for all the hard work you do! I guess it's bargain hunting for
me. Ah, well; it keeps the brain sharp and it saves enough to help keep you locked and loaded. :)
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And you certainly deserve all the help for all the hard work you do! I guess it's bargain hunting for me. Ah, well; it keeps the brain sharp
and it saves enough to help keep you locked and loaded. :)
Bargain hunting is what we like. There are a few members of FOTCM who are also members of COOPs
in the U.S. and can get supplements at discounts. Others just shop for bargains and when they pick
up something for themselves, they get a few extra for us here. Other things, are bought in bulk
quantities. Keep in mind, we are trying to keep 13 people going full time, seven days a week.
Having said that, I'd sure like to find a way to make everything available to FOTCM members at
reasonable prices too, and that IS one project we have our eye on. But we need to find out what
really works and what doesn't, what is essential and what isn't. Once we know that, we may try to
find serious bulk supplies of things and get three or four distribution centers set up so that all our
members can get whatever they need mailed from the closest distributor.
Post by: Chu on March 29, 2010, 02:28:44 PM
Hi zlyja,
I think you should also know that we have had to make a lot of adjustments in our budget. Without
the help from our group members, we couldn't take that many supplements. But Psyche has made us
an individualized plan, so that we can all take the minimum amount of pills possible. We all have
auto-inmune disorders, and we do most of our detox by just eating the right kind of food (which, by
the way, has allowed us to save money too!). We cook the same meals, very simple stuff, we never
have any expensive treats.
As you may know, Laura has always had health problems, due, I think, to strong 4D STS attacks to
prevent her from helping us all and the world. I've never seen anybody as sensitive as her. She can
feel the effect of something inflammatory within 20 mins, and she has a huge will power to not eat
what she loves but is bad for her (like eggs, for example). These supplements, like DMSO, have had
huge results on her particularly. And we are all happy for her, because the world needs her to be
healthy and she deserves to not be in pain!
Every time she says that for the first time in her life she knows what not to feel pain is like, that
makes us all happy for her, and we wish we would have known this before. Can you imagine suffering
from so much physical pain in your life that you don't know what feeling good is??? It's terrible!
In other words, if we had to pay for these supplements and eat only beans and rice for the rest of our
life, we would do it. It's a matter of priorities.
Also keep in mind that she's been learning about detox and diet for quite a while now, and that, as
with everything she learns, it benefits everyone that she is not attacked and that she constantly finds
ways to counteract those attacks.
Lastly, as we have noticed in many people who have recently changed their eating habits and started
taking supplements and doing the EE program, there is a high probability that a good health increases
the possibility of spiritual growth. IMO diseases are an obstacle that we have to learn to fight and
prevent, in order to have more energy and clarity of mind to give to others and grow. So, I think this
knowledge is a real gift that was given to those who are willing to try. Laura had to do it in the
hardest way possible, but with all this advice about detox, she is helping us have it a bit easier. :D
Quote
Having said that, I'd sure like to find a way to make everything available to FOTCM members at reasonable prices too, and that IS one
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project we have our eye on. But we need to find out what really works and what doesn't, what is essential and what isn't. Once we
know that, we may try to find serious bulk supplies of things and get three or four distribution centers set up so that all our members can
get whatever they need mailed from the closest distributor.
I think thats a great idea to consider. However, I think that the cost of shipping might be a problem
as far as saving money goes. I mean, you'd first have to ship from the place where you bought stuff in
bulk, then you'd have to ship from the distributor to the customer, and it could get pricey if you'd
want to make up for those costs. Perhaps some time in the future, when the FOTCM gets more
support and if there are enough funds to go around, some chemistry folk over here can set up shop
and synthesize everything you need and then package it all. Kind of like Bobs Red Mill, except in
supplement form! Although I dont know the economics of that, so I have no idea if that would work.
For now, though, I think that the projects involving psychopathy and spiritual growth are the most
important. But thats just my opinion. :)
And I must apologize for my ignorance, Ailn! I knew that you guys were on a tight budget, but I
didnt really consider till now how, with all the attacks you guys get, both online and physiologically,
how hard it must be to deliver quality information for all and still be healthy in mind, body, and spirit.
Im still very self-centered when it comes to considering other people.
It really is a great gift to be able to learn from everyones experiences here, especially from Laura,
when you think about all the crap shes had to deal with. It's really amazing, when you read The
Wave, how she had been in pain and attacked most of her life, and then you read on the forum about
how great she's been doing because of all she's learned. Im very grateful for the information provided
about detoxing and the like. I really dont know how to thank you all enough, except, I guess, by
continuing to network and donate to the group.
That being said, Im sorry for kind of hijacking the thread. But it encourages me to share this
knowledge of DMSO with others who I think will benefit from it. :)
Post by: Rhys on March 30, 2010, 01:58:52 AM
Great thread! :) I have an unopened bottle of DMSO in my cupboard, which I will be sharing with
folks as of now! I only thought it was useful for transporting chemicals through the skin, I never
considered its wider applications!
Quote from: Laura on March 28, 2010, 11:53:44 PM
Bargain hunting is what we like. There are a few members of FOTCM who are also members of COOPs in the U.S. and can get
supplements at discounts. Others just shop for bargains and when they pick up something for themselves, they get a few extra for us
here. Other things, are bought in bulk quantities. Keep in mind, we are trying to keep 13 people going full time, seven days a week.
Do you guys have a "shopping list" posted anywhere?? That would be really useful for anyone who
makes bulk orders, its just a case of adding a little extra ;) I could send you some supplements
everytime I make one. Would you want me to send it direct to you or through a closer UK based
member for instance?
Post by: Gandalf on March 30, 2010, 02:54:09 AM
Quote from: Rhys on March 30, 2010, 01:58:52 AM
Do you guys have a "shopping list" posted anywhere?? That would be really useful for anyone who makes bulk orders, its just a case of
adding a little extra ;) I could send you some supplements everytime I make one. Would you want me to send it direct to you or through
a closer UK based member for instance?
Hi Rhys,
Since you are a member of the FOTCM, have a look in that section of the forum and you will find an
answer to your question.
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Post by: Divide By Zero on March 30, 2010, 02:58:58 AM
I can attest to the benefits of DMSO. I had an upper lip injury at work last Wednesday. The hospital
doctor told me not to put anything on the wound/stitches. He also prescribed Augmentin antibiotic
because I am allergic to Neosporin. I chose not to fill that prescription unless I got serious signs of
infection.
Contrary to what the ER doc said, I chose to clean it with peroxide and put DMSO on a regular basis.
I also took plenty of Vitamin C (5-10 Grams a day), amino acid complex, NAC, magnesium, and
multivitamins to help my body repair itself. Being somewhat light skinned, I did get some redness
and itchyness in the area. But, it has been healing well, without infection! On Friday I saw the
plastic surgeon and he said that it was wise to clean the wound, that the advice of the hospital was
wrong- but the stitches were done well.
The only side effect was that skin started to peel around the injury on Sat and Sunday, but what was
left below the peeling was brand new good looking skin. Tomorrow I have an appointment with the
plastic surgeon who will remove the sutures and decide what to do to limit scarring. With the DMSO, I
think that scarring will be minimal.
DMSO is amazing, I've also read various good results with using it in the eyes. Being the adventurous
type myself, today I diluted DMSO down to 30% and put 2 drops in one of my eyes that has been
having red spots around the iris. The red spots diminished drastically. The only side effect was a
slight burning sensation, similar to those drops you get when one goes for a glaucoma test, without
the side effect of dilated pupils, LOL.
I got my DMSO from www.SwansonVitamins.com (http://www.SwansonVitamins.com) a few months
ago. It was at 90%, so be sure to dilute the container with distilled water about 1/4 down to get a
70% solution.
Post by: Mark on March 30, 2010, 04:32:34 AM
Could DMSO have any similarities to nicotine?
Post by: Gaby on March 30, 2010, 09:45:50 AM
Quote from: Mark on March 30, 2010, 04:32:34 AM
Could DMSO have any similarities to nicotine?
In the sense that DMSO inhibits the actions of cholinesterases enzymes ("Anticholinesterase"), as a
result, it may potentate the action of acetylcholine at cholinergic sites. Nicotine mimics acetylcholine.
Post by: slowone on March 30, 2010, 01:09:31 PM
My Dmso arrived today in 70% Gel form.
I have already put some on my hip which is often sore and achy and a spot on my neck which gets
blocked. It says I can apply 2-3 times a day topically is this most peoples protocol?
Looking forward to seeing what the effects are.
Thanks for the thread its always good to hear other peoples experience of things.
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Post by: Chu on March 30, 2010, 01:58:48 PM
Quote from: Divide By Zero on March 30, 2010, 02:58:58 AM
I can attest to the benefits of DMSO.
Great to hear this! It seems to be working really, really well for you. I wish you a speedy recovery.
I can also attest to the benefits of DMSO. There have been some days when I was so inflamed that
nothing would make me feel better. My back hurt really bad, my eyes were swollen and I was super
tired. I had DMSO applied all along my spine, and within 8 hours the inflammation was gone by
60-80%!
I'm trying it now for my problem with vasculitis. I've had it since 1999, and doctors could never find
the cause. I think it was an auto-immune disorder, triggered by bad eating habits and a lot of stress at
that time. Whenever I get the symptoms back (swollen legs, thin blood vessels inflamed), I apply
DMSO on my legs, and it has helped a lot. I'm hoping that it will keep it in check and maybe end up
curing it.
And I must apologize for my ignorance, Ailn! I knew that you guys were on a tight budget, but I didnt really consider till now how, with
all the attacks you guys get, both online and physiologically, how hard it must be to deliver quality information for all and still be healthy in
mind, body, and spirit. Im still very self-centered when it comes to considering other people.
No need to apologize zlyja. :) I just figured that you may need some further explanation, but didn't
take your question as being offensive. I hope you can find a good and cheap source of DMSO soon if
you need it.
Post by: LQB on March 31, 2010, 05:50:40 AM
Quote from: Ailn on March 30, 2010, 01:58:48 PM
I can also attest to the benefits of DMSO. There have been some days when I was so inflamed that nothing would make me feel better.
My back hurt really bad, my eyes were swollen and I was super tired. I had DMSO applied all along my spine, and within 8 hours the
inflammation was gone by 60-80%!
I'm trying it now for my problem with vasculitis. I've had it since 1999, and doctors could never find the cause. I think it was an
auto-immune disorder, triggered by bad eating habits and a lot of stress at that time. Whenever I get the symptoms back (swollen legs,
thin blood vessels inflamed), I apply DMSO on my legs, and it has helped a lot. I'm hoping that it will keep it in check and maybe end up
curing it.
Thanks for your experience description Ailn. I'm going to try it on my mother's feet and legs and
spine as well - she has some swelling in one foot and circulation probs down the legs.
Post by: Lilou on April 01, 2010, 05:19:21 PM
I have some pharmaceutical grade DMSO and I pour about two teaspoons in a glass in the evening, put my 20 mg of doxycycline in it,
add about 2 teaspoons of distilled water, and then take it in my mouth and swish it around for about 2 or 3 minutes and then swallow it.
So I guess it is about 50% solution. It's REALLY working on my mouth. That inflamed area of my jaw has calmed down about 70% in
just a couple of days. Or more, actually. I expect it to be completely soothed by tomorrow after tonight's dose of DMSO.
After reading all presented here about DMSO and the success others have had using it to heal
wounds, I have ordered a pharmaceutical grade DMSO from Amazon.com.
I had Bell's Palsy over 20 years ago and still suffer from facial nerve inflammation between times,
when I'm run down. From all I understand about Bell's Palsy, it is likely caused by a strain of the
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Herpes virus. I can usually quiet the nerve with castor oil packs and boosting my immune system.
But I also take acyclovir if I experience facial tics. This occurs rarely, but a month long regimen of
acyclovir relieved this. Scared the crap outta me too...as many who suffer Bell's Palsy, later develop
Multiple Sclerosis. My heart dropped to the pit of my stomach when I attended a lecture in med
school, and heard this. :scared:
So, my question is, would it be advisable to add my acyclovir to DMSO/distilled water as Laura did
with the doxycycline? I was always weary of DMSO, because it crosses the blood/brain barrier,
however, when dealing with a virus in the Central Nervous System, this would be a plus! Any
thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Post by: Gaby on April 02, 2010, 12:01:51 AM
Hi LissyLou,
In the book there is a mention of a study from the 60s made in mice with virus induced-leukemia. It
says that DMSO dissolved the protein coating of the virus and left its core of nucleic acid unprotected
from the host's immune response. So it is thought then that DMSO is anti-viral and helps the body
fight viral infections. There are many studies quoted where DMSO sprays proved to be effective in
herpes infections, i.e. shingles. It is quite amazing.
It also carries antiviral drugs into tissues where there are viral infections. I understand though that
acyclovir is only effective in reactivated and replicating virus, in active infections, and not in latent
ones, so unless you have an inflammation, I think there is no point in using acyclovir. I hope you
won't need it.
But I'm sure the DMSO will be of help :)
My 2 centavos.
Thank you for your insight Psyche. I am going to order Morton Walker's book today. DMSO is
something I should definitely keep in my medicine chest!
And thanks for pointing out that acyclovir (and many other antivirals) disrupt virus replication. I
didn't even think about the mechanism of action. But I am very impressed by DMSO destroying the
protein coat!
It seems I have chronic inflammation in the lymph nodes around my ear on the affected side. So
determining when the virus reactivates, can be questionable. I was hoping to find a combination that
would eradicate ALL the inflammation, not just keep it in check. The twitch in my upper lip that
developed a year or so ago, prompted me to take acyclovir. I think mixing it with DMSO would have
been a good thing. I am also wondering if DMSO applied topically along the inflammed lymph nodes
would be helpful?
On a side note, regarding Oxajil and her use of antivirals for inflammation of the eye. (discussed
here: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=16040.0) perhaps adding the antiviral to
DMSO would benefit her?
I am so impressed with DMSO, that I can't believe I swept it under the rug for all these years! Thanks
for adding this valuable thread to the forum!
Post by: Gaby on April 02, 2010, 08:07:49 PM
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Quote from: LissyLou on April 02, 2010, 06:54:46 PM
I am also wondering if DMSO applied topically along the inflammed lymph nodes would be helpful?
Oh yes, I think it will definitely help.
Quote
On a side note, regarding Oxajil and her use of antivirals for inflammation of the eye. (discussed here: http://www.cassiopaea.org
/forum/index.php?topic=16040.0) perhaps adding the antiviral to DMSO would benefit her?
Oh yeah, I was thinking about Oxajil today when I read about some studies on eye conditions in the
book. DMSO had positive effects on everything ocular: cornal swelling, cataracts, macular
degeneration, macular edema, traumatic uveitis, glaucoma. It says how glaucoma drugs are
potentiated when used with DMSO, but that in macular dengeneration DMSO alone is better.
It has also been proved effective in any retinal disease: deterioration, degeneration, dystrophy, etc.
It is amazing how the discovery of DMSO's positive effects on the retina is described . They were
giving it for patients with retinitis pigmentosa (for their muscular problems), but suddenly, some of
the patients started seeing better.
Some used one drop of DMSO in the eyes: for example, in the case of cataracts. For other more
specialized uses (when it was instilled "retrobulbary"), they were using a combination of 5mg DMSO in
1 cc of saline solution. Other solutions were made with 25mg DMSO plus 2 cc of superoxide
dismutase once or twice a day (for cataracts and glaucoma).
Amazing stuff. :)
Thanks again Psyche. I am ordering the book straight away, along with a pharm grade DMSO gel.
I am very excited to find something with so many uses in the eye. My husband suffers from
glaucoma, but is remiss to use the drops. He considered medical marijuana, as they just legalized this
in our state of Michigan last year, but maybe the answer can be found with DMSO. I'm not so sure I'd
tolerate him stoned much of the time. :/
Post by: Oxajil on April 02, 2010, 08:43:03 PM
Interesting, I'll look into this! Thank you for mentioning it :)
Are you suggesting that I should mix the DMSO with the antiviral ointment? I actually don't use the
ointment anymore, but only the antiviral pills valaciclovir.
I could use DMSO in the eyes, 30% as Divide by Zero did.
Quote from: Oxajil on April 02, 2010, 08:43:03 PM
I could use DMSO in the eyes, 30% as Divide by Zero did.
I would give that a try :)
Post by: PopHistorian on April 03, 2010, 01:25:01 AM
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How stable is it -- does it break down over time? For example, Hydrogen Peroxide supposedly breaks
down about 10% per year in storage. I'm curious what's the shelf-life of DMSO?
Post by: herondancer on April 03, 2010, 03:21:25 AM
Hi Pyche,
Would DSMO be worth trying on a case of central serous choreapathy (sp?)? I had leakage in the
right eye starting about 2006, which was treated with phototherapy about a year and a half ago. It
did help, as my vision went from 20/70, to about 20/25. I'm sure the dietary changes, which I
faithfully keep to, have helped too. The fluid collection is variable, sometimes being very thin and
evenly spread over the afffected area (hardly noticeable in daylight), but sometimes it can become
more concentrated around the original leak. This seems to corrolate with my stress levels.
At the very least it's annoying, and the thought of it becoming worse again kinda freaks me out.
:scared: If DMSO can help heal this, I'm more than willing to give it a shot.
Thanks,
Herondancer
Post by: voyageur on April 03, 2010, 08:02:47 AM
Thanks for this insightful information on DMSO :). If memory serves, in Canada (need to check this
again) DMSO is not available; this may have changed? In youth, we used to use it to treat horse
injuries, although veterinarians likely used it across the board and probably still do.
Post by: Shijing on April 03, 2010, 09:41:01 AM
I have a quick question about DMSO -- is there any reason to believe that it would be effective
against psoriasis? I have had a bad problem with it that is apparently at least partly gluten-related,
because when I cut gluten out of my diet last year, it took care of the worst case on my hands (it still
flares up very occasionally when I eat out -- I suspect it might be because of eating things like soup
with gluten-based thickener, which is something I try to control for but apparently don't always
catch). I still have problems on other parts of my body -- using fluocinonide takes care of it, but only
temporarily. I was wondering if DMSO might be a better alternative to try while I search for other
dietary or environmental causes that might be the ultimate culprit.
Quote from: herondancer on April 03, 2010, 03:21:25 AM
At the very least it's annoying, and the thought of it becoming worse again kinda freaks me out. :scared: If DMSO can help heal this, I'm
more than willing to give it a shot.
Hi!
In the book it specifies how DMSO is particularly useful in any type of retinal disease. So I think that
a 20-30% dilution of DMSO is worth a try for central serous choroidopathy (chorioretinopathy).
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Quote from: Shijing on April 03, 2010, 09:41:01 AM
I have a quick question about DMSO -- is there any reason to believe that it would be effective against psoriasis? I have had a bad
problem with it that is apparently at least partly gluten-related, because when I cut gluten out of my diet last year, it took care of the
worst case on my hands (it still flares up very occasionally when I eat out -- I suspect it might be because of eating things like soup with
gluten-based thickener, which is something I try to control for but apparently don't always catch). I still have problems on other parts of
my body -- using fluocinonide takes care of it, but only temporarily. I was wondering if DMSO might be a better alternative to try while I
search for other dietary or environmental causes that might be the ultimate culprit.
Have you tried making an "overhaul" of fats in your body, mainly supplying with high quality fatty
acids like omega 3s?
About DMSO and psoriasis, it seems there is not much info about it. At least I haven't come across
with this in the book (I'm still reading). But I just downloaded an article from the 60s about uses of
DMSO in dermatological conditions. I'll check that particular volume, as it was dedicated to the uses
of DMSO (Volume 141 Issue Biological Actions of Dimethyl Sulfoxide , Pages 1 - 671 (March 1967),
Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences).
The article says that topical DMSO causes dryness and scaling of the epidermis, so they thought that
scaling in psoriasis would be aggravated by the use of DMSO. Here are their results:
Quote
All 18 patients with psoriasis showed either no improvement, or a worsened condition, due to continuous application of DMSO in the
concentrations used, although itching was lessened.
The patients with scleroderma were greatly improved to the point where the skin became supple and ulcers healed.
Other types of dermatoses, including traumatic and burn keloids, hypertrophic scars, atopic eczema and lichen arpyloidosis,
improved in varying
degrees.
They used DMSO in concentrations of 40-80%, applied with cotton-tipped applicators or by
immersion two to three times daily. This is the detailed part about the results in psoriasis FWIW:
Quote
Almost all of the psoriatic patients exhibited marked improvement at the end of the first week, but after the period of from ten days
to two weeks, we no longer treated psoriatics with DMSO, as the results were disastrous. One patient required hospitalization of
an exfoliative erythroderma, and most of the others exhibited a sudden generalized psoriasis of the guttate type. Posttreatment
biopsies of psoriatic lesions showed marked accentuation of the histologic features of psoriasis.
The other positive and even miraculous results described in scars, scleroderma, shingles, etc are the
ones described in the book. So I don't know what to tell you, doing a search of DMSO in psoriasis
turns results where some had used DMSO as means to carry other substances through their skins with
success, clearing then psoriasis lesions. Perhaps they used it for less than a week? It will be nice to
see more information.
Quote from: PopHistorian on April 03, 2010, 01:25:01 AM
How stable is it -- does it break down over time? For example, Hydrogen Peroxide supposedly breaks down about 10% per year in
storage. I'm curious what's the shelf-life of DMSO?
In the book it says that in pure form, the life of DMSO is indefinite, so it may be used for years.
Post by: Laura on April 03, 2010, 01:48:05 PM
Psoriasis is generally evidence of a very toxic colon. Best read "Detoxification and Healing" asap and
also Shinya's "The Enzyme Factor." Nearly all skin afflictions that I have been reading about are
related in some way to gluten and dairy consumption in one way or another. Plus, the fats issue is
big. Baker devotes some time to talking about fats. Throw out the vegetable oils, bring back lard and
butter for cooking and olive oil for salads and plenty of oily fish. In the meantime, take fish oil,
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evening primrose, CLA, etc supplements in fairly large quantities until you replace all the evil fats in
your body with good ones. That can take awhile since the surface of every cell in your body is
composed of fats and if you have been eating evil fats, then all your cells are coated with plastic,
effectively.
Post by: Chu on April 03, 2010, 02:48:03 PM
Yeah, you must be eating something inflammatory still, or not the right kind of oils and nutrients.
I found something on Neem oil as a treatment for psoriasis:
http://www.discoverneem.com/neem-oil-psoriasis.html (http://www.discoverneem.com/neem-
oil-psoriasis.html)
Quote
Neem oil does not cure psoriasis. Nothing cures psoriasis.
The skin disorder is a genetic condition, and we can't fix our genes (yet).
Neem can, however, be a godsend for people suffering from psoriasis, and it can help control psoriasis symptoms.
Neem treats psoriasis symptoms so successfully that some people claim to be cured. In reality they still carry the potential of a psoriasis
flare up in them, but thanks to neem they can lead a symptom free life.
There is a caveat. In some people neem has indeed worked miracles, but for others it hasn't done much. Why? Well, the truth is, there is
a lot about psoriasis that isn't fully understood yet, and there is also a lot about neem and neem oil that we don't know yet. As a result
nobody can tell you many specifics about the interactions of neem oil and psoriasis.
[...]
Psoriasis is an inflammatory skin disorder.
[...]
The root cause of psoriasis is genetic, but carrying the genes does not necessarily mean symptoms. It also takes an environmental
trigger.
Several factors can trigger or worsen psoriasis symptoms: skin infections (like boils), systemic infections (like respiratory infections, flu),
stress (that's a big one), alcohol consumption (interestingly this triggers psoriasis only in males), medication.
Any skin irritations or injuries, like infections, cuts, burns, rashes, insect bites etc, make symptoms worse. Anything that weakens the
immune system makes symptoms worse, and in people with autoimmune disorders (e.g. rheumatoid arthritis) or immunosuppressed
people (e.g. transplant recipients, cancer sufferers undergoing chemo, HIV) psoriasis can be very severe.
Symptoms improve with lots of sunlight, air and Vitamin D. Psoriasis symptoms often clear over summer, only to return again next
winter.
Neem oil is a brilliant emollient, a substance that softens and moistens dry cracked skin. This straight away eliminates a lot of the irritation
and itchiness. It moisturizes and protects, and heals any lesions or scaling.
Neem also soothes the redness and irritation directly, through the steroid like effect of some of its ingredients. Yes, neem can affect your
skin similar to the way steroids do, but without all the nasty side effects.
Neem oil generally enhances skin health and the natural immunity of your skin, which is one of the biggest factors in psoriasis.
Neem oil is strongly antibacterial, and the benefit of this for psoriasis is obvious. Neem cleans up any skin infections that may have
developed because of cracked broken skin (due to dryness or scratching). When used regularly (by using a neem soap, neem shampoo,
or neem lotion) neem also prevents any future skin infections that may aggravate or bring back psoriasis symptoms.
(As a bonus neem oil also prevents insect bites, another trigger that can worse symptoms. DEET, the synthetic chemical in insect
repellents is a known skin irritant which would aggravate psoriasis symptoms.)
Neem leaf supports and stimulates the immune system. (Neem leaves are available as capsules, tablets, or as neem tea.) Anything that
helps your immune system helps with psoriasis.
One research study showed that when people who used the common coal tar treatment for psoriasis also took neem leaf extract
internally, then their psoriasis symptoms cleared up faster.
Other research reports showed that nimbidin, one of the components found in neem seed oil, has anti-inflammatory properties
comparable to standard drugs like phenylbutazone (non-steroid) or prednisolone (a steroid).
Experiments and reports from patients with psoriasis suggest that taking neem leaf orally combined with a topical neem oil treatment
(like baths, soap, lotion or salve) can be at least as effective as coal tar and cortisone in treating psoriasis, with none of the nasty side
effects.
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I think it may be worth trying too, not as THE treatment, but as an additional one. Notice that that
article says it's genetic but the causes are not clear enough, and then it says that it is an
inflammatory skin disorder. So, reducing inflammation must be the key. ;)
Post by: herondancer on April 03, 2010, 06:27:56 PM
Quote from: Psyche on April 03, 2010, 10:16:15 AM
Hi!
In the book it specifies how DMSO is particularly useful in any type of retinal disease. So I think that a 20-30% dilution of DMSO is worth
a try for central serous choroidopathy (chorioretinopathy).
Thanks Psyche. I will look into getting DSMO here. I may have to make friends with a vet though. :)
Herondancer
Post by: Shijing on April 03, 2010, 07:21:20 PM
Thanks Psyche, Laura and Ailn for all of your input -- I was originally going to read Baker's book
right away, but I had to bump it back so I could get to other things I only had in my hands
temporarily; I will try to find the time to start this weekend. I will look into the fats issue and also the
Neem oil (it seems like DMSO may not be the way to go, but I will try to read everything on it to see
what I can learn). I feel that I have cut down the toxicity in my diet pretty well -- no gluten, dairy, or
vegetable oils -- but maybe I could still have a toxic colon resulting merely from my previous diet and
I need to give the detoxing more time. I have to admit I haven't cut out coffee completely -- maybe
there is a coffee-psoriasis link :) In any case, your responses give me lots of leads to follow, so
thanks again :flowers:
Quote from: Shijing on April 03, 2010, 07:21:20 PM
Thanks Psyche, Laura and Ailn for all of your input -- I was originally going to read Baker's book right away, but I had to bump it back so
I could get to other things I only had in my hands temporarily; I will try to find the time to start this weekend. I will look into the fats
issue and also the Neem oil (it seems like DMSO may not be the way to go, but I will try to read everything on it to see what I can
learn). I feel that I have cut down the toxicity in my diet pretty well -- no gluten, dairy, or vegetable oils -- but maybe I could still have a
toxic colon resulting merely from my previous diet and I need to give the detoxing more time. I have to admit I haven't cut out coffee
completely -- maybe there is a coffee-psoriasis link :) In any case, your responses give me lots of leads to follow, so thanks again
:flowers:
You could benefit greatly from a series of colonics...
Post by: herondancer on April 03, 2010, 10:14:36 PM
Here's a site that apparently will ship DSMO anywhere. It will come labeled as a "solvent".
_http://www.dmso.net/default.asp
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D M S O READ THIS FIRST
Warning: This product is sold as a solvent only. It is unlawful to represent that DMSO is useful or safe for medicinal purposes.
DMSO is a colorless liquid derived from lignin, the material that bonds together the cells of trees. It is extracted during the manufacturing
of pulp and then processed; it is an organic non-synthesized product
.
The controversy: DMSO has not been approved for medicinal use except for the treatment of a rare bladder disease, interstitial cystitis.
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To the best of our knowledge, only a medical doctor may prescribe DMSO for inflammatory ailments such arthritis, bursitis, aches and
pains, etc. DMSO is now available for various ailments in Japan, Latin America, Russia, Western Europe and many others.
Question: Why has DMSO not been approved unanimously in the United States? Some say it is because large pharmaceutical companies
have been discouraging DMSO because of the low profit margin. An 8 oz. Bottle of DMSO only costs about $4.50. Others in the
pharmaceutical field say there is little proof that it works.
DMSO has been aired on TV programs such as 60 minutes, 20/20, and many others. It was also mentioned in the 2002 movie, White
Oleander. DMSO has been used in the past by professional football players and a number of sports teams and Olympic athletes to
alleviate pain and injuries. It is a strong antioxidant and a scavenger of the free radicals that gather at the site of injury.
There are many good books out on DMSO if you wish to explore this further. How you use DMSO is of course entirely up to you. The
controversy continues. "
He includes a page of satisfied customers here: _http://dmso.net/guestlist/index.asp
Quote
1/28/2010 12:45:06 PM (MST)
Dave Cancilla - (Email Not Disclosed)
Hey, I just placed my order for my own home this time. Thanks for shipping to my father in Oshawa, Canada as we had spoken about
last week. He was very pleased with the product and service and was surprised his parcel arrived so quickly. Thanks again Dave Cancilla
Post by: Pete on April 03, 2010, 10:33:01 PM
Thats the way I purchased mine. Sold as 99% pure DMSO it says is for solvent purposes only and user
takes their own risk if they decide to use it otherwise. I'm gonna try diluting to 30% and see if I can
get my dad to use it as eye drops. He has a case of glaucoma covering up his eyes and refuses to
admit it. Maybe if it starts to help him see clearly he'll be a little more positive on life again. Thanks
again for all the info everyone. :)
Quote from: Laura on April 03, 2010, 07:38:24 PM
Thanks Psyche, Laura and Ailn for all of your input -- I was originally going to read Baker's book right away, but I had to bump it back
so I could get to other things I only had in my hands temporarily; I will try to find the time to start this weekend. I will look into the fats
learn). I feel that I have cut down the toxicity in my diet pretty well -- no gluten, dairy, or vegetable oils -- but maybe I could still have
a toxic colon resulting merely from my previous diet and I need to give the detoxing more time. I have to admit I haven't cut out
coffee completely -- maybe there is a coffee-psoriasis link :) In any case, your responses give me lots of leads to follow, so thanks
again :flowers:
Hi Shijing,
On the other hand, I don't think there should be a reason for your lesions to shed scales if you take it
orally, and perhaps even less reason if you do it for a few days. I'll let you know if I come across with
more information. We are still going through the DMSO literature over here ;) , it is truly amazing
stuff.
I just read a study which reports that DMSO decreases intestinal permeability (in a good way) in
pathological conditions. So DMSO has stabilizing effects on alterations in intestinal permeability and
absorption.
Post by: c.a. on April 04, 2010, 12:11:44 AM
Quote
I'm gonna try diluting to 30% and see if I can get my dad to use it as eye drops. He has a case of glaucoma covering up his eyes and
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refuses to admit it. Maybe if it starts to help him see clearly he'll be a little more positive on life again.
Hello Psyche and Pete02 , I had a thought on the above activity and would it be advised to consider
that what type and the source of water to use in this application, for such a delicate part of the body?
That being the eyes. Would there be for safety for the use of sterile water, distilled, and or water
from a reverse osmosis system for purity, perhaps might be a consideration?
Hi M.A.O.
For the eyes I would use distilled water or sterile saline solution (0.9%) which you might be able to
get in the pharmacy.
Post by: c.a. on April 04, 2010, 12:33:36 AM
"Thanks", Psyche for the impute :grad:!
Post by: Lilou on April 04, 2010, 03:07:25 AM
Hi M.A.O.
For the eyes I would use distilled water or sterile saline solution (0.9%) which you might be able to get in the pharmacy.
For the eye, sterile saline is a good idea. You can probably still find sterile saline OTC next to the
contact lens solution in any large chain store. As for the DMSO, be sure to get pharmaceutical grade
(99.9% is best). I purchased mine off Amazon from HerbalRemedies.com. I'd be a bit leary of
purchasing DMSO from a farm store, or even from a vet. Any impurities in the DMSO is going to get
absorbed. :scared:
Quote from: Pete02 on April 03, 2010, 10:33:01 PM
Thats the way I purchased mine. Sold as 99% pure DMSO it says is for solvent purposes only and user takes their own risk if they decide
to use it otherwise. I'm gonna try diluting to 30% and see if I can get my dad to use it as eye drops. He has a case of glaucoma covering
up his eyes and refuses to admit it. Maybe if it starts to help him see clearly he'll be a little more positive on life again. Thanks again for all
the info everyone. :)
I'd order the 99.9% pure DMSO, especially for use in the eye, Pete02.
Post by: LQB on April 04, 2010, 03:15:41 AM
Thanks Psyche, Laura and Ailn for all of your input -- I was originally going to read Baker's book right away, but I had to bump it back so
I could get to other things I only had in my hands temporarily; I will try to find the time to start this weekend. I will look into the fats
learn). I feel that I have cut down the toxicity in my diet pretty well -- no gluten, dairy, or vegetable oils -- but maybe I could still have a
toxic colon resulting merely from my previous diet and I need to give the detoxing more time. I have to admit I haven't cut out coffee
completely -- maybe there is a coffee-psoriasis link :) In any case, your responses give me lots of leads to follow, so thanks again
:flowers:
Hi Shijing,
I developed a case of psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis from too many years of nightly bourbon drinking
- an autoimmune reaction (my understanding) to the alcohol. Psoriasis would appear in patches on
my skin but particularly under the fingernails/toenails including disfigured nails accompanied with
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finger joint swelling and arthritis. Stopping the alcohol eventually eliminated the arthritis and the
psoriasis but the length-wise striations in the nails remain. In the last 3 weeks I began a serious
colon cleanse using 2 powders: 1) a mixture of psyllium seed/husk, flax seed, fruit pectin, slippery
elm, bentonite clay and activated charcoal, for the bulk cleanse 2) a mixture of aloe, rhubarb, cascara
sagrada, senna, etc, to keep things moving and prevent backup/constipation from 1). I also
implemented a detox/ultra/elimination type diet. What amazed me is that 2 weeks into the colon
cleanse the striations in my nails began to disappear simultaneously across all of the nails. I'm
attributing this to the colon cleanse but I cannot rule out the diet due to elimination of all gluten, raw
diary (very hard!) and meat (pastured). [I also did a 5-day kidney cleanse during this period that
included a 3-day juice fast.]
The point of all this being that a colon cleanse might just be a good thing to try. FWIW
Psoriasis is generally evidence of a very toxic colon.
This is spot on with what Edgar Cayce stated in the 19 health readings he gave for Psoriasis.
Quote from Edgar Cayce, Encyclopedia of Healing
The primary cause in each instance was found to be improper eliminations, which were associated
with a weakness and thinning of the walls of the intestines. Subsequently, the abnormally thin walls
would allow a seepage of toxins into the bloodstream, which in turn, would lead to disturbances on the
surface of the skin.
Quote from: Psyche on April 03, 2010, 11:31:47 PM
I just read a study which reports that DMSO decreases intestinal permeability (in a good way) in pathological conditions. So DMSO has
stabilizing effects on alterations in intestinal permeability and absorption.
Oral DMSO may indeed have a positive effect on psoriasis, considering the decrease in intestinal
permeability! This would slow down/stop the leakage of toxins into the bloodstream.
And as Laura and LQB pointed out, a series of colonics should help tremendously.
Cayce also recommended an alkaline diet of easily digested food, fruits, veges and their juices (and no
sweets, bread, fats, fried food or alcohol - all the evils we should be avoiding anyway). No mention of
coffee, but he did recommend saffron tea (a pinch of the herb to a cup of boiling water) and also a
pinch of slippery elm bark to a glass of cold water, to ease digestion and strengthen the intestines.
FWIW.
edit - fixed spelling
Quote from: LissyLou on April 04, 2010, 04:03:21 AM
Quote from Edgar Carce, Encyclopedia of Healing
The primary cause in each instance was found to be improper eliminations, which were associated with a weakness and thinning of the
walls of the intestines. Subsequently, the abnormally thin walls would allow a seepage of toxins into the bloodstream, which in turn,
would lead to disturbances on the surface of the skin.
And there is this on activated charcoal from Natural News:
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(NaturalNews) Pharmacist P.F. Touery, shocked colleagues in The French Academy of Medicine in 1831 by drinking a massive dose of
lethal strychnine in front of them. Amazingly, he suffered no toxic effects. He had combined the deadly poison with activated charcoal, an
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antidote and detoxifying agent that goes back centuries.
Today, activated charcoal is in all hospital ERs and many emergency vehicles as a fast, effective antidote for poisons of all types. It is
considered safe and effective by the FDA, and it's inexpensive. Very few know of this amazing natural antidote, and even less know of its
general detoxifying capacity.
Explaining Activated Charcoal
Don't confuse activated charcoal with charcoal briquettes for barbecuing or anything else. Those contain toxic chemicals and carcinogens.
Using the powder form of activated charcoal is recommended. It's easy to ingest as a fine powder in water. It's tasteless, though a tad
gritty.
It is derived from burning pure, untainted organic substances, such as coconuts or certain woods, without using chemicals in the process.
You can get a one pound bag for less than $10.00 US.
Dr. Al Seales, MD, has his patients use it for detoxing even heavy metals, and he uses it himself. For heavy metal detoxifying, he
recommends a total of 20 grams per day, spaced apart in two to four doses, over a 12 day period.
The action of activated charcoal involves adsorption, not absorption, of toxins from the intestinal tract. Adsorption is the electrical
attraction of toxins to the surfaces of the fine charcoal particles. The charcoal itself is not absorbed into the body, so the toxins attached
to the charcoal particles exit via the bowels. Don't be surprised by black stools.
Some advise using it with a non-toxic toothpaste to remove plaques and stains from your teeth as well as bacteria from your mouth. A
bit messy, perhaps, but considered highly effective for cleaning and sanitizing.
Dispelling Rumors
The controversy on ingesting activated charcoal is based on the notion that it also robs the body of nutrients. According to several solid
sources, this is misinformation. Pharmaceutical medicines, which tend to be toxic, are removed partially or wholly, and nutrients from
synthetic vitamin sources tend to be removed also. But not food nutrients.
It's actually better to take the activated charcoal two hours away from food, because food hampers the charcoal's detox activity.
This comes from the 1980 book Activated Charcoal by David O. Cooney: "Charcoal added to the diet of sheep for six months did not
cause a loss of nutrients, as compared with sheep not receiving charcoal. ... A level of 5 % of the total diet was given as charcoal. It did
not affect the blood or urinary levels of calcium, copper, iron, magnesium, inorganic phosphorus, potassium, sodium, zinc, creatinine, uric
acid, urea nitrogen, alkaline phosphatase, total protein or urine pH."
Another rumor has it that activated charcoal causes constipation. This is only if you're already blocked a bit, but it doesn't cause it. As
with any type of detox, one needs to be free of blockages to eliminate easily. Drinking more water and taking swig of pure organic Castor
oil will usually take care of that. Diarrhea occasionally occurs as a temporary detox side effect.
Keep It Around
Even if you're not keen on using activated charcoal for general or heavy metal detox purposes, it would be wise to have it on hand in a
sealed glass jar for those accidental sips or bites of poisonous substances and venomous insect and snake bites. It is quick to prepare,
easy to take, and inexpensive.
Sources for More Information
Activated Charcoal Powder - Untruths and Truths _http://healingtools.tripod.com/char...
Pure Inside Out _http://www.pureinsideout.com/activa...
Every ER Carries This Miracle Powder by Dr. Al Sears _http://www.healthiertalk.com/every-...
OK -- I had bought what I needed to for coffee enemas some time ago and it sounds like it might be
good for me to finally do it, but I just looked up colonics and it looks like they needs to be done with
the aid of a colon specialist (or at least a doctor). I don't know if I will be able to do that immediately,
but I can certainly keep my eyes open for opportunities.
On the other hand, I don't think there should be a reason for your lesions to shed scales if you take it orally, and perhaps even less
reason if you do it for a few days. I'll let you know if I come across with more information. We are still going through the DMSO
literature over here ;) , it is truly amazing stuff.
I just read a study which reports that DMSO decreases intestinal permeability (in a good way) in pathological conditions. So DMSO has
stabilizing effects on alterations in intestinal permeability and absorption.
Sounds good -- lots of advice coming back is that this may be an intestinal problem, so I might do
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some reading and then look into taking the DMSO orally. Thanks for all the work you are putting into
researching this there at the chateau -- it looks like it will really pay off with the wide applicability of
DMSO.
Quote from: LQB on April 04, 2010, 03:15:41 AM
I developed a case of psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis from too many years of nightly bourbon drinking - an autoimmune reaction (my
understanding) to the alcohol...The point of all this being that a colon cleanse might just be a good thing to try.
I'm glad you mentioned this, because until last year I usually drank regularly before bed too. This
may be one of the biggest problems -- even though I don't do it now, it probably did quite a bit of
damage. Thanks also for the info about activated charcoal above.
Quote from Edgar Cayce, Encyclopedia of Healing
The primary cause in each instance was found to be improper eliminations, which were associated with a weakness and thinning of the
walls of the intestines. Subsequently, the abnormally thin walls would allow a seepage of toxins into the bloodstream, which in turn,
would lead to disturbances on the surface of the skin.
Oral DMSO may indeed have a positive effect on psoriasis, considering the decrease in intestinal permeability! This would slow down/stop
the leakage of toxins into the bloodstream.
And as Laura and LQB pointed out, a series of colonics should help tremendously.
Yeah, that's looking almost unanimous at this point! Thanks for the Cayce quote, which supports most
of the other advice I've gotten, and it looks like I need to start figuring out what to do with my colon.
Thanks everyone for the positive networking experience about this :)
Post by: Laura on April 04, 2010, 08:47:03 AM
If you can't do the colonics yet, do the coffee enemas in the morning and salt water in the evenings.
1.5 tsps salt (pure) to one liter of distilled water.
As for the oral DMSO, I'm taking it every night for over a week now and I think that this, along with
the "wash-outs" and psyllium husks stirred in water and drunk quickly in the morning, and something
is going on!
Oh, I think I would dilute DMSO for the eyes down to about 25%.
Post by: Pete on April 04, 2010, 09:05:57 AM
Hi M.A.O.
For the eyes I would use distilled water or sterile saline solution (0.9%) which you might be able to get in the pharmacy.
For the eye, sterile saline is a good idea. You can probably still find sterile saline OTC next to the contact lens solution in any large chain
store. As for the DMSO, be sure to get pharmaceutical grade (99.9% is best). I purchased mine off Amazon from
HerbalRemedies.com. I'd be a bit leary of purchasing DMSO from a farm store, or even from a vet. Any impurities in the DMSO is going
to get absorbed. :scared:
Quote from: Pete02 on April 03, 2010, 10:33:01 PM
Thats the way I purchased mine. Sold as 99% pure DMSO it says is for solvent purposes only and user takes their own risk if they
decide to use it otherwise. I'm gonna try diluting to 30% and see if I can get my dad to use it as eye drops. He has a case of glaucoma
covering up his eyes and refuses to admit it. Maybe if it starts to help him see clearly he'll be a little more positive on life again. Thanks
again for all the info everyone. :)
I'd order the 99.9% pure DMSO, especially for use in the eye, Pete02.
It is the 99.9% LissyLou. I special ordered it from my local health food store. I seem to be very
fortunate with them because there hasn't been much I can't find at that place so far. Thanks for
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checking. ;)
Quote from: Laura on April 04, 2010, 08:47:03 AM
Oh, I think I would dilute DMSO for the eyes down to about 25%.
Thanks for that Laura, will do!
Post by: slowone on April 04, 2010, 07:44:44 PM
I've bought my DMSO from a brand called Dr Jacob's 70% strength. 21.00 for 120ml. But....
Having paid for and used it several times I then searched a bit more on the internet and my DMSO is
in a plastic bottle. which seems really bad.
Would it be sensible to stop using it ? Is it drawing the chemicals out of the plastic? I've emailed the
company but haven't heard back yet. Would appreciate your thoughts.
Thanks
Post by: Divide By Zero on April 04, 2010, 07:48:39 PM
I have Dr. Jacob's 90% strength in a plastic bottle too. I'm not sure about the plastic.
Some automotive fluids eat certain plastics, so they use specific plastic or metal containers for those
fluids. I couldn't find a recycling logo (the logo with the number in it) on my DMSO container, so
maybe it is some kind of special plastic for pharmaceutical grade fluids?
Post by: slowone on April 04, 2010, 07:57:28 PM
Quote from: Divide By Zero on April 04, 2010, 07:48:39 PM
Some automotive fluids eat certain plastics, so they use specific plastic or metal containers for those fluids. I couldn't find a recycling logo
(the logo with the number in it) on my DMSO container, so maybe it is some kind of special plastic for pharmaceutical grade fluids?
This gets worse in actual fact because I checked on Dr Jacobs website and the container is HDPE
plastic. Checking that out on a plastics website it is used for containers and is OK for any use except
solvents. Now isn't DMSO used as an industrial solvent? Ahhhhhhhh :(
Post by: Galaxia2002 on April 05, 2010, 06:53:57 AM
Quote from: slowone on April 04, 2010, 07:57:28 PM
Quote from: Divide By Zero on April 04, 2010, 07:48:39 PM
Some automotive fluids eat certain plastics, so they use specific plastic or metal containers for those fluids. I couldn't find a recycling
logo (the logo with the number in it) on my DMSO container, so maybe it is some kind of special plastic for pharmaceutical grade fluids?
This gets worse in actual fact because I checked on Dr Jacobs website and the container is HDPE plastic. Checking that out on a plastics
website it is used for containers and is OK for any use except solvents. Now isn't DMSO used as an industrial solvent? Ahhhhhhhh :(
No problem with that, DMSO is a very polar liquid and the only solvents able to affect plastic are
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ethers and some hydrocarbon, DMSO is like water and don't attack plastics. In chemistry any liquid
which is able to dissolve any sustance is called solvent. Water is a solvent for salts too. Don't mind for
the word "solvent".
Post by: Hildegarda on April 12, 2010, 08:04:09 PM
wanted to report another success with DMSO. I have been applying it to my face for two weeks and
taking MSM, a related supplement, orally, together with some berry-based antioxidants. I had a bout
of acne in March, and this healed the damage pretty well but what amazed me is that my
hyperpigmentation (melasma) -- diffuse brown spots on face, linked to sun damage and hormone
imbalance -- has also faded very noticeably. In fact, it's amazing!
This must have something to do with DMSO's antioxidant properties, as well as with its ability to carry
nutrients deep into the skin -- I am also using a skin whitening product on and off, but it has not been
nearly as effective in the past, without DMSO. I have purchased a 99.9% solution in a glass bottle on
eBay, and dilute it to 50-70% before application.
thank you very much for this valuable information!
Post by: rolyateel on April 13, 2010, 01:22:29 AM
I have a quick question about DMSO -- is there any reason to believe that it would be effective against psoriasis?
Shijing
I too have had a problems with psoriasis, over the last couple of years i have tried all concoctions on
my problem areas, the back of the head and the left lower leg. It was so unsightly i would wear jeans
in the summer so nobody would see, and the itchiness was horrible, i would itch and end up breaking
the skin until it bled . I started reading somewhere about using organic coconut oil topically so i gave
it a try. The psoriasis just seems to fall off, my leg has hair growing back, the skin is pink and the
itching has reduced to almost nothing.
While this isn't a cure, if i miss putting on some coconut oil for a week it starts to come back, it helps
in the itching and unsightly skin department. Some of the active ingredients in coconut oil are caprylic
acid, capric acid and lauric acid. I don't know which active ingredients in coconut oil enables it to clear
up psoriasis in days, but i am glad it does.
FWIW i drank daily until August last year, and have noticed flare ups when i have drunk the
occasional beer or wine. I have stopped gluten just before Christmas and been on strict diet since but
still get psoriasis even when i haven't drank. So it seems that i could do with a full colon cleanse. I
have also read that there is a connection between mercury toxicity and skin disorders, i will look into
this connection more and post my findings.
Thanks for the info, rolyateel -- I will look into getting the coconut oil and give it a shot! I am trying
to implement the recommendations that were given me one at a time -- I have been taking psyllium
every day and just started activated charcoal. My next step is to do the enemas (coffee and saline)
that Laura recommended, and I plan to order a set of DMSO and DMSA soon -- the latter for the
mercury which I'm sure I haven't avoided despite escaping fillings in my teeth.
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FWIW, I seem to have two kinds of psoriasis -- the first kind was dry and patchy, would crack open,
and appeared only on my hands. Changing my diet seems to have been the only thing necessary to
treat this. The other kind (which appears on the back of my head too, as well as other areas) tends to
be weepy, with fluid that ends up crusting over into scaly patches (sorry everyone for the gross-out,
but that's what it is!). This is the kind I'm trying to treat with the current recommendations (including
coconut oil now!).
Thanks for the info, rolyateel -- I will look into getting the coconut oil and give it a shot! I am trying to implement the recommendations
that were given me one at a time -- I have been taking psyllium every day and just started activated charcoal. My next step is to do the
enemas (coffee and saline) that Laura recommended, and I plan to order a set of DMSO and DMSA soon -- the latter for the mercury
which I'm sure I haven't avoided despite escaping fillings in my teeth.
If you get plugged up or feel that way due to the psyllium/charcoal, you may want to use prune juice,
cayenne, or other herbs (and lots of water) to keep the flow going. The stuff definitely plugs me up,
and I wanted to establish a good flow prior to working on the liver with citrus/olive oil and CEs. The
liver work resulted in a fair amount of foul sludge and I was thankful to have that stuff out ASAP. The
CEs (5 so far) are great - I feel much better - clarity, focus, mood, etc. A great next step to the colon
cleanse, imo. FWIW and hope it helps.
Quote from: LQB on April 13, 2010, 03:56:41 AM
If you get plugged up or feel that way due to the psyllium/charcoal, you may want to use prune juice, cayenne, or other herbs (and lots
of water) to keep the flow going. The stuff definitely plugs me up, and I wanted to establish a good flow prior to working on the liver with
citrus/olive oil and CEs. The liver work resulted in a fair amount of foul sludge and I was thankful to have that stuff out ASAP. The CEs (5
so far) are great - I feel much better - clarity, focus, mood, etc. A great next step to the colon cleanse, imo. FWIW and hope it helps.
Thanks LQB -- the psyllium so far seems to, if anything, have had the opposite effect on me, but I will
keep this in mind in case things turn around. I look forward to trying the CEs to see if they have the
same effect that you describe.
Post by: curious_richard on April 13, 2010, 07:44:34 AM
Quote from: rolyateel on April 13, 2010, 01:22:29 AM
I started reading somewhere about using organic coconut oil topically so i gave it a try. The psoriasis just seems to fall off, my leg has
hair growing back, the skin is pink and the itching has reduced to almost nothing.
I have been reading about coconut oil for a little while now. Coconut oil is supposed to be a good
fighter of bacteria, fungus and virus if I remember correctly. (And I try to use coconut oil in cooking
whenever I can.)
Now I am reading about DMSO, and it is also supposed to be good at fighting germs. And it can get
into more parts of the body, like the skin and nails. So I am wondering if a mixture of DMSO and
coconut oil might be really useful in treating fungus in the nails and the toes ("athlete's foot"). And
maybe the mixture would be good for many other uses, as the DMSO might help the coconut oil get
deeper and help more.
I plan to try this out when I get my order of liquid DMSO in a couple days. I already have a gel, but I
think the liquid DMSO would be easier to mix with coconut oil.
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Post by: Data on April 13, 2010, 08:06:46 AM
Sounds good -- lots of advice coming back is that this may be an intestinal problem, so I might do some reading and then look into taking
the DMSO orally.
Have also a look at this post (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum
/index.php?topic=5695.msg45038#msg45038), "The Enema Within". It is a detailed and quite funny
report about colonic cleansing. Notice also the following mention and thread on the "Blessed Herbs
Colon Cleansing Kit" (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=7199.0). It could be that you
need a more intense intestinal cleansing. I tried this product and I was amazed what came out of me,
to say the least!
Post by: Nathan on April 13, 2010, 09:17:49 AM
FWIW, I seem to have two kinds of psoriasis -- the first kind was dry and patchy, would crack open, and appeared only on my hands.
Changing my diet seems to have been the only thing necessary to treat this. The other kind (which appears on the back of my head too,
as well as other areas) tends to be weepy, with fluid that ends up crusting over into scaly patches (sorry everyone for the gross-out, but
that's what it is!). This is the kind I'm trying to treat with the current recommendations (including coconut oil now!).
Interesting that you mention this. I had somewhat similar symptoms to you about this time last year,
which spurred me to shift towards an anti-candida diet with distilled water, good fats, no dairy, gluten,
soy and the whole box and dice. The first stage of my skin problems was itchy underarms that, once
scratched, led to the weepy fluid you described. This lasted for a month or so and was likely
exacerbated by prescribed antibiotics (big mistake). The second stage involved red skin under my eyes
(which I initially mistook for sunburn, having fallen asleep on a plane trip next to the window lol!),
which lasted two weeks before fading. By the time the third stage came around, it was dry skin over
parts of my face and body. A few weeks later, I was on a role with fighting candida (or whatever it
was) and six weeks later it was about 99% gone. Only my dry scalp remained, which I've had since I
was a child (likely due to a childhood diet of dairy and gluten). No amount of fish oil or good diet has
fixed this.
In the last few weeks, I've experienced a repeat of the above stages, despite no deviations from my
diet, although something small may have slipped through without my knowledge. A month ago I did
test myself with a gluten free pasta and cream based sauce and my stomach was complaining
afterwards. The last time I had a cream-based sauce was over a year ago and I never had a reaction
like that. The sensitivity is definitely back - and that's a darn good thing, actually.
Anyway, despite my relapse of skin issues, instead of lasting months they lasted a few days and was
about 10% of the severity of last year, which is interesting. I've read elsewhere in detox books and on
the forum that heavy metals need to removed or else candida can return quite easily. So it seems to
me that it's very important to really go after the heavy metals in order to finally address any
persistent symptoms of remaining toxicity. Now, I should mention that I have never used colonics
(except the oral, herbal variety) or any sort of enema, so I completely understand your reluctance.
But the more I read through this thread, the more I'm thinking if we really want to beat this thing
completely and not have it continually coming back to bite us, we need to get serious.
After reading the threads that Data mentioned, should we seek out a health clinic to undergo colonics
and enemas?
Be careful with cayenne... it's a nightshade. Even a speck of it sends me into pain for weeks.
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Thanks LQB -- the psyllium so far seems to, if anything, have had the opposite effect on me, but I will keep this in mind in case things turn
around.
Hi Shijing,
The psyllium husks we have specifies that they are gluten free. I'm not sure about other psyllium
products that don't specify its purity. It seems that cross contamination is an issue. A heads up, just
in case.
Quote from: curious_richard on April 13, 2010, 07:44:34 AM
Now I am reading about DMSO, and it is also supposed to be good at fighting germs. And it can get into more parts of the body, like the
skin and nails. So I am wondering if a mixture of DMSO and coconut oil might be really useful in treating fungus in the nails and the toes
("athlete's foot"). And maybe the mixture would be good for many other uses, as the DMSO might help the coconut oil get deeper and
help more.
I plan to try this out when I get my order of liquid DMSO in a couple days. I already have a gel, but I think the liquid DMSO would be
easier to mix with coconut oil.
Yeah, the DMSO has antimicrobial properties and will also make the coconut oil work and penetrate
better the nails.
Quote from: Data on April 13, 2010, 08:06:46 AM
Have also a look at this post (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5695.msg45038#msg45038), "The Enema Within". It
is a detailed and quite funny report about colonic cleansing. Notice also the following mention and thread on the "Blessed Herbs Colon
Cleansing Kit" (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=7199.0). It could be that you need a more intense intestinal
cleansing. I tried this product and I was amazed what came out of me, to say the least!
Thanks for both references, Data -- I hadn't run across that post/article yet, and I have the Blessed
Herbs kit up in a window now to read more about -- I may end up giving it a shot.
Quote from: Nathan on April 13, 2010, 09:17:49 AM
So it seems to me that it's very important to really go after the heavy metals in order to finally address any persistent symptoms of
remaining toxicity. Now, I should mention that I have never used colonics (except the oral, herbal variety) or any sort of enema, so I
completely understand your reluctance. But the more I read through this thread, the more I'm thinking if we really want to beat this thing
completely and not have it continually coming back to bite us, we need to get serious.
I agree -- I'm actually not that reluctant per se, as much as not in a position to do everything all at
once, so I have to take it one step at a time. I am going to the the first coffee enema today though,
so that is one more step in the right direction I presume! I agree completely about the heavy metals,
and as I mentioned above, I am going to order DMSA at the same time I order DMSO to try to start
working on that.
The psyllium husks we have specifies that they are gluten free. I'm not sure about other psyllium products that don't specify its purity. It
seems that cross contamination is an issue. A heads up, just in case.
Thanks, Psyche -- I hadn't thought of that. I just took a look at my bottle of psyllium, and it says
"gluten free". I hope that means that they control for cross-contamination!
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Ya'll don't be going after the metals until you are wheat and dairy free for awhile and have had time
to get your colon cleaner and build up your body's resources so that the detox pathways won't be
overwhelmed! Detoxing metals is very demanding on the body!
Ya'll don't be going after the metals until you are wheat and dairy free for awhile and have had time to get your colon cleaner and build up
your body's resources so that the detox pathways won't be overwhelmed! Detoxing metals is very demanding on the body!
Thanks for the tip, Laura -- I don't think I realized that, so I will be focusing on the colon for now, and
will put the DMSA on the side until I feel like I've done all that I can reasonably do in that area.
Post by: Nathan on April 14, 2010, 07:43:09 AM
Ya'll don't be going after the metals until you are wheat and dairy free for awhile and have had time to get your colon cleaner and build up
your body's resources so that the detox pathways won't be overwhelmed! Detoxing metals is very demanding on the body!
I'd also like to thank you for the tip; that could've been a disaster. I'm also going to give the coffee
enema a spin - twice a week (as suggested in the anti-candida thread) and will re-evaluate metals a
few months down the track.
Since the side effects listed for DMSO include skin rashes and itchiness, I'm going to steer clear of it
for now just to be safe. But it's really fascinating that DMSO has such a wide array of applications both
inside and outside the body.
So far, our experimentation with DMSO is that it, too, is a strong detoxing element. That means that,
if you are toxic, (and about everybody is), you can't be taking it orally every day because the
unloading of toxins just overwhelms the body's detox pathways. So, I'm taking it a couple days on, a
couple days off. It really is remarkable stuff.
Post by: Chu on April 14, 2010, 10:03:51 AM
So far, our experimentation with DMSO is that it, too, is a strong detoxing element. That means that, if you are toxic, (and about
everybody is), you can't be taking it orally every day because the unloading of toxins just overwhelms the body's detox pathways. So,
I'm taking it a couple days on, a couple days off. It really is remarkable stuff.
I'm also doing this, because the detox reaction is already strong. I was also applying DMSO cream in
my back and legs at night, and feeling pretty bad the next morning. I stopped, and it seems that
applying it in the morning instead, and only when really needed, is better.
I would recommend to read more about activated charcoal before taking it. I read an article about it
that said that although it doesn't deplete you of minerals and vitamins when they are in natural form,
some supplements may lose theyr efficiency. I hope I can dig it up and paste it here. They point is,
then, that when you take a lot of other supplements, it may not be good to take charcoal.
I do use it to brush my teeth, and that's great! It has whitened them and they feel clean in the
morning too, fresh.
My 2 cents,
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Post by: stellar on April 14, 2010, 02:09:11 PM
Earlier today I found a website in Aus that sells DMSO, MSM, colloidal silver, hyaluronic acid and other
preps at wholesale prices.
I don't know how to link but the site address is http://www.msm-wholesale.com/shop_dmso.html
First I called the (03) number to ask a couple of questions and the gentleman was so helpful and
pleasant that we spoke on the subject for about a half hour.He asked where I was getting all of my
information (and it was pretty much what he was saying) so i directed him to sott.net and suggested
to look into the forum.
He also gave me the address for water filters which have a branch in every capital city.
www.coutherncrosspottery.com.au
Most likely I will receive my order by friday but I have a feeling it will be sitting in the cupboard until I
get a colon cleanse and some more solid info on how to use it with confidence. So here's hoping for
the best.
Oh, and he is also mailing me some more info on other products so if I could I would love to mail you
a copy to be posted in the forum, if it is not info that has already been posted.So I need a mailing
address because as I mentioned linking/pasting/etc is not in my forte - yet.
(If the mods are agreeable to this offer,that is.)
Now I am reading about DMSO, and it is also supposed to be good at fighting germs. And it can get into more parts of the body, like the
skin and nails. So I am wondering if a mixture of DMSO and coconut oil might be really useful in treating fungus in the nails and the toes
("athlete's foot").
UPDATE:
I mixed about half DMSO with half coconut oil. At first it seemed to mix up okay. But later it later
started separating. I found this interesting paper on which substances will mix with DMSO, and how
well:
_http://www.gaylordchemical.com/bulletins/bulletin102b/Bulletin102B.pdf
According to this paper, coconut oil does not dissolve very well in DMSO, only about 0.3% at room
temperature. I will still try this mixture, shaking it well just before each use (like salad dressing).
I am also thinking about mixing in some ethyl alcohol (grain alcohol) as an emulsifier. This is not
expensive when bought as a gel type hand sanitizer, and I think it should be harmless to the skin.
Post by: 3D Student on April 15, 2010, 06:16:17 PM
I mixed about half DMSO with half coconut oil. At first it seemed to mix up okay. But later it later started separating.
I have some coconut oil for cooking and I think it said that it melts at 76 degrees F. Depending on the
room temperature it may be solid or slightly slushy. I think this might be why it won't mix, maybe it is
hardening and clumping up.
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Post by: Galaxia2002 on April 16, 2010, 05:17:41 AM
Quote from: 3D Student on April 15, 2010, 06:16:17 PM
I mixed about half DMSO with half coconut oil. At first it seemed to mix up okay. But later it later started separating.
I have some coconut oil for cooking and I think it said that it melts at 76 degrees F. Depending on the room temperature it may be solid
or slightly slushy. I think this might be why it won't mix, maybe it is hardening and clumping up.
They don't mix at any temperature because oils and fats are non polar sustances while DMSO is very
highly polar liquid, In chemistry there is an empirical law that said "simililar dissolves similiar" (in
structure) and due a this difference in polarity they won't mix. I don't think that adding an
emulsificant (as alcohol) improve the sistem in a synergistc way significantly (I guess you want to
take advantage of the high penetration capability of DMSO to raise the benefical effects of coconut oil)
but if you manage to form the emultion the ingredients will act separately, which is good too.
Alcohol is not a good emulsificant for this kind of mix but it can work as preservative
Quote from: Galaxia2002 on April 16, 2010, 05:17:41 AM
Alcohol is not a good emulsificant for this kind of mix but it can work as preservative
Okay, thanks for that information. Maybe I should be thinking of a soap instead? Forgive my
ignorance, but if I made a soap out of coconut oil, wouldn't it then be water soluble and (I assume)
DMSO soluble? If this sounds silly, please don't laugh too hard. :)
Why mix the DMSO with coconut oil? What's the objective? Remember, DMSO will carry whatever is
mixed with it through the cells. Do you really want to be impregnating your body with a plant oil in
that way without allowing it to be processed by the digestive system as is natural?
I DO mix a bit of DMSO with Emu oil and have even put some neem oil with it to put on my toes, but
that is small quantities. I don't think I'd feel quite so comfortable doing it with coconut oil.
Post by: Chu on April 16, 2010, 06:47:19 PM
I DO mix a bit of DMSO with Emu oil and have even put some neem oil with it to put on my toes, but that is small quantities. I don't think
I'd feel quite so comfortable doing it with coconut oil.
This reminded me that about a month ago, my boyfriend was having a little trouble breathing (he had
a cold), and I mixed DMSO with 2 drops of eucalyptus essential oil to give him a massage. Don't do
that! It gave him a burning sensation for about 4 hours! Lesson learned. :-[
Quote from: LissyLou on April 02, 2010, 06:54:46 PM
I am also wondering if DMSO applied topically along the inflammed lymph nodes would be helpful?
Oh yes, I think it will definitely help.
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My DMSO arrived yesterday. I diluted a 50% solution and applied it topically to the inflammed lymph
node. I applied it again this evening. I am totally amazed! There is a noticeable decrease in the size
of the node, in just two applications! And it no longer feels matted. This node has been swollen for
over 20 years!!!
Coincidentally, I awoke this morning with a bit of swelling to my upper lip and the unmistakable
tingling, that lets me know I am about to get a cold sore. I applied DMSO to my upper lip, and within
20 minutes, the swelling was gone and there is no sign of a cold sore!! I say coincidentally, because
I haven't had a cold sore in well over two years....makes me wonder if the DMSO didn't shake the
dormant virus up a bit!
FWIW, I cancelled my order for DMSO in HDPE plastic, and re-ordered from another company in
glass. There was some discussion about this earlier in the thread. I started a research on plastics (as
I realized I didn't know squat about them) and feel glass is probably best. I decided against HDPE
(high density polyethylene) after reading the following:
Quote
The following are findings presented by Dr. Hildegarde Staninger, RIET-1, Industrial Toxicologist/IH & Doctor of Integrative Medicine.
"Morgellons"
- - - A disease in which individuals have the growth of fibers from their skin that burn at 1,700 degrees F and do not melt. (20)(* see
below) A private study to determine the chemical and biological composition of these fibers has shown that the fibers' outer casing is
made up of high density polyethylene fiber (HDPE).
I may be jumping to conclusions, but the only article I found touting the safety of HDPE was one of its
makers, Exxon Mobil. :scared:
Post by: Divide By Zero on April 29, 2010, 09:57:36 PM
I've also had great results with DMSO on a lymph node behind my ear that seems always swollen. It
went down within days!
The only side effect is that my co workers say I stink like garlic or Butane, lol. One was thinking
there was a gas leak somewhere!
(Wow, it has been almost two weeks now. Sorry about that. Better late than never.)
Why mix the DMSO with coconut oil? What's the objective?
I was thinking about the anti-fungal properties of both, and maybe they would be more effective
together. I am thinking of fungus in the toenails and athlete's foot.
Quote
Remember, DMSO will carry whatever is mixed with it through the cells.
That's a good point, and I guess I am now ready to share the rest of the story.
I added a small amount of grain alcohol (probably less than 10%) to my mix of DMSO and coconut oil,
and it helped them mix even more. I put just a little bit on my hand, a few drops. Within a few
seconds, I started tasting the alcohol and started to feel like I was getting drunk. It was that fast.
The effects started going away in maybe ten minutes and were gone soon afterwards.
Looking back, I see that it would be unwise to add anything to DMSO that I would not want to have in
my bloodstream. The alcohol was not dangerous, but the problem was that I was surprised when the
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alcohol got into my bloodstream. I should have expected that.
Again, please don't add anything to DMSO that you would not consider injecting into your blood.
Looking back, I see that it would be unwise to add anything to DMSO that I would not want to have in my bloodstream. The alcohol was
not dangerous, but the problem was that I was surprised when the alcohol got into my bloodstream. I should have expected that.
Again, please don't add anything to DMSO that you would not consider injecting into your blood.
That's what I said. You have to be VERY careful when using DMSO with other substances. I am really
kind of shocked that you would think that adding alcohol would be a good idea.
As for toenails, a little DMSO and specific-for-fungus creams do nicely together as long as it is a pure
product.
Post by: Rabelais on May 02, 2010, 02:16:48 PM
As I read through this thread, I note that no one has responded to an early question; what is the shelf
life of DMSO.
Having taken my first hit of oral DMSO yesterday at the chateau, and having been impressed with the
results, I started looking around for the food grade DMSO that I have carried around for about ten
years. The shelf life question was relevant for me, eh? Anyway I found this:
http://www.arkema-inc.com/literature/pdf/360.pdf
It appears that shelf life is 2 years. There is a wealth of info in this PDF file. The link came from a
search which landed me at this site, which has links to several pertinent DMSO study summaries:
http://www.arkema-inc.com/literature.cfm?pag=121
After my dose of DMSO yesterday, I was treated to a few of the chateau kitchen mini buckwheat
pizzas - tres bein. Following that, and at Laura's suggestion that 5HTP would likely correct some
recent sleep problems, I took my first dose of that supplement. I awakened this morning, after my
first night of uninterrupted sleep in a week feeling rested and alert. No middle of the night trips to
urinate.
I am now convinced that DMSO and 5HTP are valid therapies for me.
I had acquired the DMSO originally after spending an afternoon with Daniel Haley, author of the book,
Politics in Healing. He was working on his second book and was in California to interview, for his
second book, the president of our corporation who was one of the early researchers in vitamin C and
the inventor of EmergenC, which is the only product which contains all of the actual bioavailable
mineral ascorbate components of what the body converts ascorbic acid into, in readily usable form.
Unfortunately it also has a rather large quantity of sugar.
Haley, in his 80s, related to me the importance of keeping DMSO on hand at all times. His wife, a
nurse, had administered it to him orally when he had a stroke. By the time the paramedics arrived,
the clot had already dissolved and the ER had little left to do.
His stroke had happened after he had written in his first book, in the chapter on DMSO, this passage:
Quote
...If given soon after a stroke, DMSO, one of the world's greatest solvents, has been shown to dissolve the clot that causes the stroke,
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thus restoring circulation and avoiding paralysis. How soon? Dr. Stanley Jacob says within the first few hours is best and intravenously is
better than oral, but oral works too. Once DMSO gets into the body either daubed on the skin, given I.V., or by mouth, it permeates the
body and crosses the blood brain barrier, so even taken orally it can dissolve the clot. One man who had a stroke at 7:30 AM refused to
go to the hospital until his wife had spoken to Dr. Stanley Jacob, which didn't happen until 6:30 PM. Starting at 7:00 PM the day of the
stroke, she gave him a teaspoonful of 50% DMSO in a little orange juice every 15 minutes for two hours and then every half hour for two
hours. The next day her husband was fine. A substance that can stop a stroke as its happening is something many might want in their
home medicine chest.
Neurosurgeon Dr. Jack de le Torre is a professor of physiology and neurosurgery at the University of New Mexico, in Albequerque. He and
Dr. Jacob believe that DMSO should be in every ambulance and emergency room so as to start giving it to stroke victims intravenously in
the ambulance as soon as picked up or, at the latest, as soon as the patient arrives at an emergency room. If such were the established
practice, the number of people dying or incapacitated from strokes would plummet.
Haley had a seat in the NY State Assembly for 12 years. He saw first hand the pharmaceutical
industry money working on his colleagues to prevent acceptance of effective and inexpensive methods
such as DMSO for preventing or mitigating catastrophic illness. He goes on in this book to list the
other uses for DMSO, such as in limiting damage to spinal cord accident victims. He quotes Dr. Morton
Walker:
Quote
DMSO tends to protect nerve cells... following injury. It provides better protection than any other treatments. Scientists have verified this
by observation with electron microscope and the light microscope. Thus DMSO prevents the paralysis that may ensue following trauma; it
alters the severe effects seen after a brain stroke.
Dr Walker also observed the work of Dr. Weinstein, with learning disabled and retarded children,
using a DMSO therapy. There was notable improvement in IQ, reading, writing and mathematics, as
well as reduction in behavioral problems. There was elimination of of anger for no reason, a general
reduction irritability and a lessening of disobedience.
It would seem then that in addition to DMSO's virtues discussed in this thread, it is also a valid
prophylaxis for arterial and vein blockages, and much more.
Source: Politics in Healing, Daniel Haley, 2000, Potomac Valley Press, ISBN# 0-9701150-0-8
http://politicsinhealing.com/
Post by: Gaby on May 02, 2010, 02:56:03 PM
In the book DMSO: Nature's Healer, it says that in pure form, the life of DMSO is indefinite, so it may
be used for years.
Post by: Gandalf on May 02, 2010, 05:11:23 PM
Quote from: Psyche on May 02, 2010, 02:56:03 PM
In the book DMSO: Nature's Healer, it says that in pure form, the life of DMSO is indefinite, so it may be used for years.
I received mine friday (1 gallon in a plastic bottle) and the degree of purity is 99,996%. They say it
can be kept for an indefinite time.
It is written on the paper which came with the bottle that it is a solvent and can not be use for
internal use and don't ask us if you can use it internally since it is totally pure because we can not say
anything else that is a solvent according to the law.
I bought it from that website : _www.dmso.net
So can i take it internally ?
Geez, the smell is just awful.
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Post by: LQB on May 02, 2010, 06:52:36 PM
Is there a preferred dilution for internal use and a frequency/amount?
Post by: Laura on May 02, 2010, 07:30:14 PM
Quote from: Gandalf on May 02, 2010, 05:11:23 PM
I received mine friday (1 gallon in a plastic bottle) and the degree of purity is 99,996%. They say it can be kept for an indefinite time.
It is written on the paper which came with the bottle that it is a solvent and can not be use for internal use and don't ask us if you can use
it internally since it is totally pure because we can not say anything else that is a solvent according to the law.
I've got some of the same stuff and that's what I take.
Yeah, it smells worse than it bites!
I think dosing and dilutions have already been discussed in the thread. For oral doses, I just put two
teaspoons (or one) in a half glass of distilled water and down the hatch! Follow with another glass of
water (ordinary size). I take it on an empty stomach and wait half an hour before eating.
For eyes and ears, we made a dilution of 25% pure DMSO in 75% saline solution from the pharmacy.
Post by: 3D Student on May 02, 2010, 09:53:03 PM
Cool, thanks for the website. I couldn't find large quantities on amazon. It's a good price considering
you don't really use much when you dilute it. I have some DMSO in a plastic bottle that I think I
might toss.
Quote from: Laura on May 02, 2010, 07:30:14 PM
I received mine friday (1 gallon in a plastic bottle) and the degree of purity is 99,996%. They say it can be kept for an indefinite time.
It is written on the paper which came with the bottle that it is a solvent and can not be use for internal use and don't ask us if you can
use it internally since it is totally pure because we can not say anything else that is a solvent according to the law.
I think dosing and dilutions have already been discussed in the thread. For oral doses, I just put two teaspoons (or one) in a half glass of
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distilled water and down the hatch! Follow with another glass of water (ordinary size). I take it on an empty stomach and wait half an
hour before eating.
I have just tried it. I put 1 teaspoon in a glass of water and put it in my mouth. As soon as I tried to
swallow it, it went outside and quite fast. :-[ :(
I do not know how I am going to handle that situation. Probably, instead of using 1 teaspoon, I will go
with 1 drop and see how I am going to react.
Post by: Guardian on May 03, 2010, 04:38:37 AM
I have just tried it. I put 1 teaspoon in a glass of water and put it in my mouth. As soon as I tried to swallow it, it went outside and quite
fast. :-[ :(
The liquid stuff is definitely an acquired taste. I found that chasing it with a big glass of apple juice is
VERY helpful.
Post by: Laura on May 03, 2010, 09:24:13 AM
Quote from: Guardian on May 03, 2010, 04:38:37 AM
I have just tried it. I put 1 teaspoon in a glass of water and put it in my mouth. As soon as I tried to swallow it, it went outside and quite
fast. :-[ :(
The liquid stuff is definitely an acquired taste. I found that chasing it with a big glass of apple juice is VERY helpful.
Probably is okay to do if that's what it takes. But actually, I don't find it that awful tasting.
I don't think a drop will do anything useful.
Post by: Rabelais on May 03, 2010, 10:25:03 AM
If I can ever track down my bottle, I can determine its strength/purity. Thanks for the info.
When my link mentioned formaldehyde formation, I became a bit nervous about taking an aged
DMSO.
Quote from: Laura on May 03, 2010, 09:24:13 AM
I don't think so either but it might help me to get used to the taste.
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I still have the taste in my mouth this morning. :cry:
Post by: Oxajil on May 03, 2010, 04:19:36 PM
Could it be the plastic?
Quote from: Oxajil on May 03, 2010, 04:19:36 PM
Could it be the plastic?
No it does not taste plastic.
Maybe, as a working hypothesis, since i have never really smoked, i am a bit more sensitive to tastes.
Post by: Guardian on May 04, 2010, 04:47:19 PM
Quote from: Guardian on May 03, 2010, 04:38:37 AM
I have just tried it. I put 1 teaspoon in a glass of water and put it in my mouth. As soon as I tried to swallow it, it went outside and
quite fast. :-[ :(
The liquid stuff is definitely an acquired taste. I found that chasing it with a big glass of apple juice is VERY helpful.
Probably is okay to do if that's what it takes. But actually, I don't find it that awful tasting.
Real apple juice (with the mother still in it) is what I use whenever I have to take something
nasty...and I'm with Gandalf on the DMSO....it tastes absolutely awful to me too, especially when I
burp. Worth it though!! I'm more than willing to drink something that tastes like I chewed on a
battery cable and walk around smelling like a giant onion for the pain relief.
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Have you been putting it on your skin? (Diluted to 50%) If you do, you will notice the taste in your
mouth in just a half a minute after putting it on the skin. That demonstrate's its penetration power.
When using DMSO, I'm sorry to say, but you will taste it and smell it until it leaves your system which
can be up to 4.5 days later. That's the price, but as far as I am concerned, it's worth it. Besides, I
like garlic!
Have you been putting it on your skin? (Diluted to 50%) If you do, you will notice the taste in your mouth in just a half a minute after
putting it on the skin. That demonstrate's its penetration power. When using DMSO, I'm sorry to say, but you will taste it and smell it
until it leaves your system which can be up to 4.5 days later. That's the price, but as far as I am concerned, it's worth it. Besides, I like
garlic!
Yes i have been putting it on my skin (75%). However, I did not notice any specific taste in my mouth
after putting it. I was expecting for it, as said in the book, but nothing special. But maybe it was so
subtle that I did not notice it or maybe it is going to take more time for whatever reason in my case.
I have been using it on my skin since friday and my daughter who has a very fine nose, did not say
anything about my body odor up to now.
Post by: Rabelais on May 05, 2010, 01:35:00 AM
I had my second dose of DMSO yesterday. I took two teaspoons this time. Almost immediately I felt
weird, for lack of a better term. It was a feeling of a sort of floating detachment. It lasted for about an
hour.
In the past two days I have experienced dreams which have related to some past feelings of guilt,
albeit seemingly minor issues, given the width and breadth of my other past not-so-minor guilts. It did
give me an opportunity to re-examine these things in perspective. I do not know if this is relative to
the DMSO or simply the result of attempting to focus on dream work.
I then remembered that the Cs had once related some info on DMSO. Off to the transcripts...
Quote
8-8-95
Q: (L) We have one other question that is personal. Can you describe the action of DMSO on the body tissues, and can it be detrimental?
A: Please define "detrimental."
Q: (L) Just leave it and describe the action on the tissues.
A: Pores of the skin are stimulated to open up in ways in which they do not normally open up, due to chemical reaction that is taking
place between the oils that are normally present on the skin, and the chemical
compound in the DMSO, which allows for rapid absorbing of the chemical compounds into the skin, to such an extent that nerve endings
are equally stimulated to produce the desired result that is what could be
described as numbness. But, one must remember that this numbness is merely a result of deadening the nerve endings as opposed to
any medicinal treatment of the cause of the discomfort. Therefore, it is not particularly
helpful for one to use the product described if the desired result is long term treatment and healing. It is merely short-term comfort on a
temporary basis, then this is feasible, however, it is not advisable for long term
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health.
Q: (L) The studies done on DMSO say that it bonds with the water molecules and passes quickly through the cells, forcing the cells to
restructure in their original pattern, and that also it can carry into the tissues any other
agent that is put with it. So, if you wish to apply an antibiotic to a specific area of the body, you mix it with the DMSO and apply it there
and then do not have to treat the entire body with the antibiotic just to get it to a
particular area. Is any of this correct?

A: Well, we choose to pose the question to you: Such intricate processes as described, makes one wonder how such a compound would
be widely available, given the nature of political and economic restrictions in your
3rd density environment.
Q: (L) Well, it is sold for veterinary use...
A: Again: How could such a compound be available for your use, if indeed, it has the results that you describe? We have answered the
question. And, it is possible for you, given your inquisitive nature, to come up with a
reliable and trustworthy chemical analysis through efforts of your own which would verify our statement: it is merely the result of nerve
endings being numbed, as it were, which eases the pain. Now, we ask you to reflect
upon this for a moment, again not merely to answer this one simple question regarding one relatively minor subject, but rather also to
answer the entire nature of things in your environment. Would you expect anything that
produces the results that you describe, to be readily available to you?
Q: (L) Well, I don't know. One does have to buy it from a veterinary source... so it is not exactly in the supermarket!
A: Then why can't you buy, for example, plutonium from such sources?
Q: (L) Well, plutonium is more rare.
A: But we are not discussing rarity of a substance, we are discussing results purported to arise from the use of DMSO. And you describe
rather fantastic results involving some rather fantastic chemical reactions which
begs the question "why would such a compound such as this be even remotely available to the average individual in your environment,
when other compounds that are KNOWN to produce various chemical reactions
that would be beneficial are NOT available. Again, we refer back to the economic and political structure of your third density environment
when posing such a question.
Q: (L) Are you saying that it is almost impossible to get anything that is good or useful in this environment? Are there no "good guys" out
there putting things out that are good for us?

A: What do you think?
Q: (L) I certainly hope so!
A: Remember, for quite some period of time now, as you measure time, we have tried to inform you to the effect that your third density
environment has been completely controlled and will be controlled by forces that
seek only to serve themselves for a period, as you would measure time, exceeding 309,000 years. And, many, many times in your
current life existence, you have reflected upon the questions involving the beneficial or
otherwise existence of individuals or an individual IN this environment, the pros and cons of continuing such existence, and what is
involved with it. And, you have correctly perceived the conclusion that this is, primarily, a
negative experience. But, not that good things do not come from a negative experience, but that the basic indicator that it is a negative
experience, should also indicate to you that it is an experience related to a chain of
command involving Service to Self. And, therefore, Service to Self is a manipulative action rather than a openly beneficial action. It is a
withdrawing and taking motion rather than an expanding motion. And these
statements can answer for you, not only simple questions about one chemical compound, but the very nature of your existence to begin
with as well.
Hmmm.
Post by: Shijing on May 05, 2010, 02:01:02 AM
Hey Rabelais --
Quote from: Rabelais on May 05, 2010, 01:35:00 AM
I had come across this before and wondered about it too. One thing I noticed is that this particular
session was a "direct channeling session," which if I remember correctly was suspect of having more
"noise" because it was being done through the filter of an individual, not through the spirit board. It
would be good to know more about the context of the session, of course -- perhaps Laura will be able
to provide her own perspective when she has a chance to do so.
Post by: Laura on May 05, 2010, 07:08:16 AM
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I had my second dose of DMSO yesterday. I took two teaspoons this time. Almost immediately I felt weird, for lack of a better term. It
was a feeling of a sort of floating detachment. It lasted for about an hour.
DMSO is a really powerful anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory. It's like putting roto-rooter in your
system. Parts of you can come back online that haven't been operational for years! That's why I
only take it one or two days, and then several days off. Even after two years of detoxing, I know I'm
still carrying a toxic load and I know detoxing too fast is not a good idea.
One symptom I had from too much detoxing was vertigo. It goes away if you slow things back down.
Psyche had the same thing.
In the past two days I have experienced dreams which have related to some past feelings of guilt, albeit seemingly minor issues, given
the width and breadth of my other past not-so-minor guilts. It did give me an opportunity to re-examine these things in perspective. I do
not know if this is relative to the DMSO or simply the result of attempting to focus on dream work.
Could be both... the DMSO crosses the blood/brain barrier and reduces swelling and plaque in the
brain.
I've posted the entire session here: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=17617.0 with
commentary. As Shijing noted, it was one of the "direct channeling" with Frank sessions. Best to
read it with commentary.
Post by: Pierre on May 05, 2010, 06:51:06 PM
Quote from: psyche
Yeah, but be ready to have an "asparagus" smell emanating from your body Wink DMSO can last for days, it takes 120 hours or so in
order to be eliminated from the body, so that is another thing that can be considered when taken orally. But FWIW:
Well, there's been a lot of hearsays around this asparagus thing. Indeed DMSO can have some minor
side effects including some slight genetic mutations but nothing to really worry about... ;)
(http://th04.deviantart.net/fs50/300W/i/2009/306/c/6/Asparagus_Costume_by_D00Mtastic.jpg)
Post by: Rabelais on May 05, 2010, 07:45:11 PM
I've posted the entire session here: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=17617.0 with commentary. As Shijing noted, it
was one of the "direct channeling" with Frank sessions. Best to read it with commentary.
That really helps. I have always been skeptical of the early Frank sessions, but reading it with the
perspective of the commentary points out the different flavor of the answers coming from the Frank
trance sessions.
Quote from: Belibaste on May 05, 2010, 06:51:06 PM
Quote from: psyche
Yeah, but be ready to have an "asparagus" smell emanating from your body Wink DMSO can last for days, it takes 120 hours or so in
Well, there's been a lot of hearsays around this asparagus thing. Indeed DMSO can have some minor side effects including some slight
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genetic mutations but nothing to really worry about... ;)
(http://th04.deviantart.net/fs50/300W/i/2009/306/c/6/Asparagus_Costume_by_D00Mtastic.jpg)
LOL!! :) The smell usually goes away in a day or two.
One symptom I had from too much detoxing was vertigo. It goes away if you slow things back down. Psyche had the same thing.
I also had the same side effects of DMSA when taking about 2 tsp of DMSO, for example anxiousness
that later on gets relieved and improved. Well, it does cross the brain barrier, and:
Quote
http://www.caringmedical.com/media/article.asp?article_id=150
DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) is another excellent chelator developed back 1866 by a Russian chemist. DMSO is one of the most potent
free radical scavengers ever discovered.
Post by: Mrs. Peel on May 06, 2010, 04:32:10 AM
Aha! That could be what was going on with me. I quit doing saunas after I started feeling like I was
floating away at odd times. Like when I was driving to work... :scared:
Post by: Kniall on May 07, 2010, 06:39:58 PM
Quote from: Rabelais
I had my second dose of DMSO yesterday. I took two teaspoons this time. Almost immediately I felt weird, for lack of a better term. It
was a feeling of a sort of floating detachment. It lasted for about an hour.
I've just taken my first dose of DMSO and I too felt a floating sensation! It wasn't unpleasant though.
I'm looking forward to seeing what this treatment can do for me.
My housemate has just announced that he wants to go on the detox diet! One of the things that
concerns him is a red eczema-like mark on his hands. He has only recently developed it. He wonders
if this is from an allergy or possibly from using industrial chemicals for cleaning at his workplace. I've
applied some liquid DMSO (pure solution) to a portion of his red mark to see what happens. So far he
has reported a burning sensation.
Should this be diluted down for him? And how best to apply it to the skin? I used some cotton wool for
the moment.
Post by: Guardian on May 07, 2010, 07:08:14 PM
Quote from: Mrs. Peel on May 06, 2010, 04:32:10 AM
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Aha! That could be what was going on with me. I quit doing saunas after I started feeling like I was floating away at odd times. Like
when I was driving to work... :scared:
Odd that I haven't noticed anything but near instantaneous pain relief. I always react poorly to drugs,
in fact, I'm usually the poster child for contraindications. Strange...kinda waiting for the other shoe to
drop, like tomorrow I'll notice there's a second head going out from under my armpit or something
like that LOL
Psyche has done some research on the topic, and we've done a little experimenting, and we have the
idea that, considering the time that DMSO stays in the system, what it does, etc, unless you have had
a stroke and heart attack and need it to ream out your blood vessels and stuff, the best dose amount
and schedule is one teaspoonful in a glass of distilled water once a week.
So that's what we are doing.
Quote from: Kniall on May 07, 2010, 06:39:58 PM
Should this be diluted down for him? And how best to apply it to the skin? I used some cotton wool for the moment.
For the face and neck, a 50% dilution is suggested. 70% can be used for other purposes. If his skin is
too irritated, he can use a 50% dilution. Also, when 60 to 90% concentration is applied to the palm of
the hand, the skin may wrinkle and stay that way for several days. If no benefits are seen, then he
can stop using it.
Even if it is a topical reaction to some chemical, he will benefit from improving his diet (elimination
diet). That could deal with the problem.

Post by: Kniall on May 07, 2010, 08:32:38 PM
Quote from: Psyche
Even if it is a topical reaction to some chemical, he will benefit from improving his diet (elimination diet). That could deal with the problem.
I think he knows this himself and would explain why he came to me asking for ideas about detoxing.
Quote
If his skin is too irritated, he can use a 50% dilution.
Thanks, we'll go with that to begin with!
Psyche has done some research on the topic, and we've done a little experimenting, and we have the idea that, considering the time that
DMSO stays in the system, what it does, etc, unless you have had a stroke and heart attack and need it to ream out your blood vessels
and stuff, the best dose amount and schedule is one teaspoonful in a glass of distilled water once a week.
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I have tried it again yesterday night with one teaspoon. I put one teaspoon of DMSO in 3/4 of a cup of
water. To ease the taste, I added some pure organic lemon juice and finally I was able to drink it.
The only effect that i had except the fact that I had the sensation that my mouth was doughy, was
that i woke up in the middle of the night completely thirsty.
Post by: dant on May 08, 2010, 07:52:51 PM
One thing I need to ask:
Before applying DMSO to the skin, should the application area
be carefully cleaned? Should foreign "substances" in the mouth
be cleared before drinking?
My logic here, is that DMSO can transfer "substances" into the
bloodstream, that otherwise should not be transferred? Please
understand that I am only asking, because I could be wrong
relating to drinking of DMSO, but not necessarily that of external
application of DMSO? Please read on...
I know for a fact, in my past, that DMSO was abused when
used as a carrier for "nefarious purposes" in the transfer of
certain substances directly into the body. I have seen this
myself, almost being a victim myself.
So perhaps, one ought to take great care in preventing easy
access to DMSO, so that it cannot be abused by others?
Just some thoughts,
Dan
[update: grammatical corrections]
All good points, Dan. Yes, it should be handled carefully and one should be very careful what they put
with it. It is REALLY powerful and does cross the blood/brain barrier.
I ordered a gallon of DMSO from dmso.net and didn't know it would be in a plastic jug. So I emailed
the seller, who is a chemist and did a lot of work in the military and industries. I wrote:
"Hello, I recently received a gallon of DMSO I ordered from you. But I'm concerned that it is stored in
a number 2 HDPE plastic jug. I don't cook or store food in plastic and try to avoid it. I also understand
that DMSO is a really efficient solvent. So I was wondering if it is likely that the DMSO would get
leached plastic particles in it. I've taken a look at your bio and it seems you might know about this.
Thank you for your time."
And he replied:
"Hi [3D Student],
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The suppliers of dmso in glass containers state that dmso will 'leach" out chemicals from the plastic.
This is simply not true. they use this as a marketing ploy to sell their dmso.
The fact of the matter is that when these suppliers buy their dmso (in many cases from us) they
receive it in plastic containers.
They refill it and state that the glass is better.
Dmso when purchased in bulk comes in 55 gallon plastic drums.
I am a chemist and thought you would like to know the truth of this matter.
Another reason we use plastic is to avoid breakage problems.
Regards,
Robert Brock
www.dmso.net"
I'm posting this because some have had concerns about the plastic issue and DMSO, fwiw.
Quote from: 3D Student on May 28, 2010, 05:38:46 PM
I'm posting this because some have had concerns about the plastic issue and DMSO, fwiw.
Thanks for the update! Galaxia2002 also clarified more about DMSO and plastics here:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=17014.msg151107#msg151107
Post by: Lilou on May 28, 2010, 06:08:11 PM
The fact of the matter is that when these suppliers buy their dmso (in many cases from us) they receive it in plastic containers.
They refill it and state that the glass is better.
www.dmso.net
Thanks for the post 3D Student. What Robert Brock said makes sense and I do not doubt that the
above statement is true. (smacks self in forehead)
Thanks for the update! Galaxia2002 also clarified more about DMSO and plastics here:
I remember reading that, but I still wasn't too sure. I'm wondering if plastics are ok for other liquids
like oils and other foods. Things like flax oil are almost always stored in dark plastic bottles. I'm
guessing that as long as it doesn't contain BPA and you don't heat it it's ok?
I'm guessing that as long as it doesn't contain BPA and you don't heat it it's ok?
I don't know for sure, but will keep digging for date. And what Brock says makes sense, getting a
glass bottle of DMSO is no guarantee that it was not exposed to plastics before. Heating up plastics is
definitely a no no.
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I haven't been able to find anything definitive on the plastic issue. It seems that they only talk about
the numbers of plastic and what they are best used for and they only mention BPA.
Post by: Ljubica on June 16, 2010, 03:07:51 PM
Hi to all,
I ordered my DMSO from: http://www.dmso.com/ ( I hope this brand is OK) liquid one of 99% purity,
at least this is what they claim. Did any of tried this particular product and how do you use it, or it is
same way as explained in previous posts??
Post by: Gaby on June 16, 2010, 03:44:30 PM
Quote from: Ljubica on June 16, 2010, 03:07:51 PM
Hi to all,
I ordered my DMSO from: http://www.dmso.com/ ( I hope this brand is OK) liquid one of 99% purity, at least this is what they claim. Did
any of tried this particular product and how do you use it, or it is same way as explained in previous posts??
Notice that this thread is for dmsA, not dmsO. It is two different products. That brand is a good one
and you have to dilute it, at least a 70% dilution for topical use or 50% if its for upper body topical
use. For consumption, a 70% dilution is okay, for eye drops, a 25% dilution in sterile saline solution.
More info in the DMSO thread:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=17014.0
Post by: Gandalf on June 16, 2010, 04:21:41 PM
Quote from: Psyche on June 16, 2010, 03:44:30 PM
Hi to all,
I ordered my DMSO from: http://www.dmso.com/ ( I hope this brand is OK) liquid one of 99% purity, at least this is what they claim.
Did any of tried this particular product and how do you use it, or it is same way as explained in previous posts??
Notice that this thread is for dmsA, not dmsO. It is two different products. That brand is a good one and you have to dilute it, at least a
70% dilution for topical use or 50% if its for upper body topical use. For consumption, a 70% dilution is okay, for eye drops, a 25%
dilution in sterile saline solution. More info in the DMSO thread:
I have merged the last 2 posts in this DMSO thread.
Post by: Ljubica on June 16, 2010, 09:37:58 PM
Quote from: Psyche on June 16, 2010, 03:44:30 PM
Hi to all,
I ordered my DMSO from: http://www.dmso.com/ ( I hope this brand is OK) liquid one of 99% purity, at least this is what they claim.
Did any of tried this particular product and how do you use it, or it is same way as explained in previous posts??
Notice that this thread is for dmsA, not dmsO. It is two different products. That brand is a good one and you have to dilute it, at least a
70% dilution for topical use or 50% if its for upper body topical use. For consumption, a 70% dilution is okay, for eye drops, a 25%
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dilution in sterile saline solution. More info in the DMSO thread:
Thanks Psyche, I'll follow dilution ratio as suggested :).
Post by: Regulattor on June 17, 2010, 11:03:35 AM
Just reporting excellent results from using DMSO. Last March my right arms thumb tendons got so
inflamed that I couldn't use my arm. It was very painful and so I went to my doctor and she gave me
HIRO laser and TENS electric therapy. After 2 weeks of therapy my condition hardly improved, beside
it was very expansive. DMSO thread comes just right in time. I've ordered 99,9% DMSO, and use
50% solution topically, 3x a day.
Inflammation subsided in next 72 hours. Although I'm still experiencing slight discomfort in affected
area, after more then 2 months I can use my hand with almost full power.
All thumbs up for DMSO!
Post by: Laura on June 17, 2010, 11:27:07 AM
Quote from: Regulattor on June 17, 2010, 11:03:35 AM
Just reporting excellent results from using DMSO. Last March my right arms thumb tendons got so inflamed that I couldn't use my arm.
It was very painful and so I went to my doctor and she gave me HIRO laser and TENS electric therapy. After 2 weeks of therapy my
condition hardly improved, beside it was very expansive. DMSO thread comes just right in time. I've ordered 99,9% DMSO, and use 50%
solution topically, 3x a day.
Inflammation subsided in next 72 hours. Although I'm still experiencing slight discomfort in affected area, after more then 2 months I can
use my hand with almost full power.
All thumbs up for DMSO!
Check out the taping method. It is miraculous for stuff like that.
Post by: Gaby on June 17, 2010, 12:01:55 PM
:thup: Good news! You'll find the medical tape info here:
Post by: Data on July 10, 2010, 12:31:38 PM
I bought 100ml pure DMSO (a colorless liquid) from the local pharmacy store for about 15 Euros.
When I first opened the bottle it had no odor at all. I suspect that's because there is no water in it, so
it cannot evaporate. Since it is a hygroscopic substance, it probably will attract water over time and
then it might begin to smell. When I put it into the fridge, it freezes. The melting point is just below
room temperature.
Half a teaspoon on half a glass of water was not terrible to drink, it was okay.
I spilled some drops of DMSO on my kitchen table, and when I wanted to wipe it away, I noticed that
it had dissolved the transparent paint of the table. I was really suprised! Wikipedia confirmed that it is
used also as a solvent for paint. Now I have two little 'holes' in the finish layer of my table. Well, no
problem :cool2:
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All in all a remarkable substance! And I feel not bad at all after taking half of a tablespoon -- quite the
contrary!
I think I will take the suggested dose for normal detoxification: One tablespoon once a week.
Post by: Laura on July 10, 2010, 12:54:12 PM
I'm still taking it once a week. It seems to have a very good effect and I think that some of the
descriptions of its action suggest that it can detox metals and other nasty substances from the body.
We also injected it into our poor arthritic doggie, Sebastian. He did NOT like the injection, but it had
a remarkable effect on his condition. He was bouncing around for several days. We are going to
figure out how to get it into him orally so we don't have to do the injection.
And yeah, it took the finish off the armoire in my bathroom too!
Post by: Renaissance on July 14, 2010, 04:49:26 AM
I recently started taking DMSO and I'm quite amazed. I took it for three days (today being the third
day) and while I had read some of this thread, I wished I had read the whole thing prior to starting. I
didn't have a negative experience but this morning I mixed it with my shake cause I thought the taste
was pretty bad, and my eyes about popped out of my head when I read what mixing it with other stuff
does.
I'll be taking it once a week from here on out too. I had taken a teaspoon in the morning and evening
for the past two days and then in the morning this morning. I felt a significant increase in my
thinking ability. I often feel a barrier while thinking, kind of like having to go over bumps to connect
thoughts. I felt a lot more clear headed and felt a lot of stuff going on internally - mostly internal
heat in my core. It got to the point were it was a bit intense, particularly on the second day, but didn't
get to the point where I felt like I was sick. I also started doing coffee enemas in the morning at the
same time, so I'm sure that's helping too. I'm certainly looking forward to continuing DMSO... in a
safe way too. :) Thanks everyone for your contributions.
Post by: JAKSUN on July 20, 2010, 07:40:49 AM
Quote from: stellar on April 14, 2010, 02:09:11 PM
Earlier today I found a website in Aus that sells DMSO, MSM, colloidal silver, hyaluronic acid and other preps at wholesale prices.
Thanks Stellar, I had been searching and found nothing suitable in Australia 'til I read your post. The
site's 100% solution is out of stock so I have sent them an email to enquire when it will be available.
Else I'll have to go with the 70% solution. Can't wait! :lol:
Quote from: Shane on July 14, 2010, 04:49:26 AM
I recently started taking DMSO and I'm quite amazed. I took it for three days (today being the third day) and while I had read some of
this thread, I wished I had read the whole thing prior to starting.
That's a problem that never seems to go away: people trying stuff without getting fully up to speed,
collecting all knowledge BEFORE they do it. Frankly, I don't know what to do about it. Lord knows,
we sure get all the info up here as quickly as we can, or as we figure it out, but it does no one any
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good if they aren't reading it!
Post by: Bo on August 07, 2010, 06:47:30 PM
so for the scar in my eye I use a dilution of 25% pure DMSO in 75% saline solution, how many times
a day is this recommended? 2/3 times?
it will be interesting to see how this will work out, considering many eye doctors told me it's
impossible to remove the scar
Post by: Laura on August 07, 2010, 06:59:02 PM
Quote from: Bo on August 07, 2010, 06:47:30 PM
so for the scar in my eye I use a dilution of 25% pure DMSO in 75% saline solution, how many times a day is this recommended? 2/3
times?
it will be interesting to see how this will work out, considering many eye doctors told me it's impossible to remove the scar
I think I would go for just once a day, like two drops, for a month and see what happens by then.
Quote from: Laura on August 07, 2010, 06:59:02 PM
so for the scar in my eye I use a dilution of 25% pure DMSO in 75% saline solution, how many times a day is this recommended? 2/3
times?
it will be interesting to see how this will work out, considering many eye doctors told me it's impossible to remove the scar
I think I would go for just once a day, like two drops, for a month and see what happens by then.
Ok, thanks, I will be doing that.
Post by: JAKSUN on August 12, 2010, 02:21:36 AM
Quote from: ignite on July 20, 2010, 07:40:49 AM
Quote from: stellar on April 14, 2010, 02:09:11 PM
Earlier today I found a website in Aus that sells DMSO, MSM, colloidal silver, hyaluronic acid and other preps at wholesale prices.
Thanks Stellar, I had been searching and found nothing suitable in Australia 'til I read your post. The site's 100% solution is out of stock so
I have sent them an email to enquire when it will be available. Else I'll have to go with the 70% solution. Can't wait! :lol:
Update on this supplier.
The supplier has not supplied goods ordered, will not respond to emails or telephone and my order has
now been placed in dispute with paypal :mad:
I also found out today on Google search in NZ the following information:
Quote
"We are now unable to supply DMSO due to Medsafe policy. There is no longer a supply of DMSO as a natural health supplement
within New Zealand. ...www.dmso.co.nz/ "
I have found another supplier in Western Australia and await a response to my query. They are at
http://www.nikitanaturals.com/
I am still hopeful of obtaining DMSO :cool2:
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Post by: Guardian on August 12, 2010, 05:57:42 AM
I ordered mine through the "Valhoma Corporation" in Oklahoma. They actually specialize in high
quality products for our 2D friends...but I thought their prices were pretty good, and I trust their
quality. I have family that have been buying horse stuff from them for 30+ years.
http://www.dmso.com/
Check out their prices...perhaps it might be worth it for all the Aussies to get together and make a
bulk order if you can't get DMSO locally?
They don't ship overseas... but yawl could have it shipped from the company in OK to me, then I'll
reship it to yawl, and you can split your order up from there?
Just an idea ?
Post by: Bobo08 on August 12, 2010, 06:42:39 AM
Quote from: ignite on August 12, 2010, 02:21:36 AM
Quote
Update on this supplier.
The supplier has not supplied goods ordered, will not respond to emails or telephone and my order has now been placed in dispute with
paypal.
Ignite,
If you go to the home page of that site, it says: "Holiday Closure. MSM-Wholesale will be closed July 7
- August 10, 2010"
I got mine from this: _http://www.horsesuppliesdirect.com.au/category63_1.htm
It's the cheapest source of DMSO in Oz that I could find although it's still considerably more expensive
than those in the US.
Post by: JAKSUN on August 12, 2010, 06:57:05 AM
Quote from: Guardian on August 12, 2010, 05:57:42 AM
I ordered mine through the "Valhoma Corporation" in Oklahoma. They actually specialize in high quality products for our 2D friends...but I
thought their prices were pretty good, and I trust their quality. I have family that have been buying horse stuff from them for 30+ years.
http://www.dmso.com/
Check out their prices...perhaps it might be worth it for all the Aussies to get together and make a bulk order if you can't get DMSO
locally?
They don't ship overseas... but yawl could have it shipped from the company in OK to me, then I'll reship it to yawl, and you can split your
order up from there?
Just an idea ?
Quote from: Bobo08 on August 12, 2010, 06:42:39 AM
I got mine from this: _http://www.horsesuppliesdirect.com.au/category63_1.htm
It's the cheapest source of DMSO in Oz that I could find although it's still considerably more expensive than those in the US.
Thanks team :cool2:
I got a quick reply from http://www.nikitanaturals.com/ and have ordered from there.
Guardian, that is a great idea - thanks for the offer for help. :) i am not sure about how we would get
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it through customs but.
Bobo88, yes that is an alternative - On that note, I received this reply from Malcolm R. Hooper at
HyperMED NeuroRecovery Australia.
Quote
we do not sell DMSO direct due to the fact that Aust TGA has not approved [it] for human use! However you can also buy DMSO medical
grade quality 99% in a roll on format at you local Horseland or Stock and Feed outlet!! DMSO is commonly used as a topical anti
inflammatory on animals.
I think that I will get my DMSO one way or other. My pendulum attuned to my higher STO self advises
me that I really need this stuff in my war against persistant HCV infection. We shall win this war, one
battle at a time! :ninja:
There is this note on the http://www.nikitanaturals.com/ site:
Quote
DMSO 500ml (99.9% pure) 70% + 30% Double Purified Water R.T.U. in a amber glass bottle.
Why a glass bottle ?
Did you know DMSO is actually classed as a solvent ? However , this DMSO is not Industrial grade, it is a Premium Pharmaceutical grade .
As DMSO is also a very powerful penetrant / carrier I don't want to risk contamination from any plastics for either the user or the
recipient.
Even though DMSO is a non-toxic product made from leftovers of the paper manufacturing process & the DMSO is made from
exactly the same product , I do not offer DMSO for Human Use .What you choose to use DMSO for is entirely your choice.
PS: Did you know that DMSO can also be used to help strike your garden plant cuttings too ? Did you also know that water is a solvent
too ?
Post by: Guardian on August 12, 2010, 05:09:50 PM
Quote from: ignite on August 12, 2010, 06:57:05 AM
Thanks team :cool2:
I got a quick reply from http://www.nikitanaturals.com/ and have ordered from there.
Guardian, that is a great idea - thanks for the offer for help. :) i am not sure about how we would get it through customs but.
Do you know a local veterinarian who would accept the shipment for you? I doubt Customs would
question a case of "horse liniment" going to a vet?
Just an idea that might help a group purchase in the future. Glad you found a source locally :)
Post by: Prodigal Son on August 14, 2010, 01:08:52 PM
Just 5 days after ordering, as promised, a 16fl oz bottle of 99.9% DMSO and a 5oz tub of 70%
DMSO/30% Aloe Vera gel arrived today from DMSO.net. Excellent service.
Post by: Kniall on August 14, 2010, 05:52:20 PM
Quote from: Psyche on March 28, 2010, 04:34:59 PM
Yeah, but be ready to have an "asparagus" smell emanating from your body ;) DMSO can last for days, it takes 120 hours or so in
Quote from: Morton Walker
The usual dosage of DMSO is one to two teaspoons per day. [...]
Certain fair-skinned people such as those with red or blond hair and blue eyes are more sensitive to DMSO. For them, the topical, oral,
or intravenous concentration should be 50% or less, particularly around the face and neck." -DMSO, Nature's Healer by Dr. Morton
Walker.
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Well that's interesting. I'm fair-skinned and have wondering how to minimise the impact of the smell
I'm giving off around the house. I can't smell anything, but the others find it downright offensive!
They have described it as "like opening a can of tinned sweetcorn" :shock: I'm going back to work
soon and am worried that I won't be able to keep up my weekly dose of DMSO for fear of putting out
my colleagues.
I'll begin taking smaller amounts and see if that helps.
Post by: Vulcan59 on August 14, 2010, 11:01:10 PM
I had completely forgotten Psyche's remark about the "asparagus smell" (http://www.cassiopaea.org
/forum/index.php?topic=17014.msg149316#msg149316) and now reading your remark above Kniall,
reminded me that just the other day, my youngest said that I smelt like "popcorn" or something that
she couldn't quite make out. She didn't say it was offensive. Guess it must be the DMSO that I have
been taking weekly. :)
Post by: Gaby on August 14, 2010, 11:10:59 PM
Quote from: Vulcan59 on August 14, 2010, 11:01:10 PM
I had completely forgotten Psyche's remark about the "asparagus smell" (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum
/index.php?topic=17014.msg149316#msg149316) and now reading your remark above Kniall, reminded me that just the other day, my
youngest said that I smelt like "popcorn" or something that she couldn't quite make out. She didn't say it was offensive. Guess it must be
the DMSO that I have been taking weekly. :)
LOL! Yeah, I don't like the smell at all! But that is just me. :)
Post by: dant on August 14, 2010, 11:16:58 PM
Well, perhaps there is the silver lining that the
"garlic smell" might ward off evil spirits? :P
Post by: Shijing on August 14, 2010, 11:24:50 PM
I started taking DMSO a few weeks ago, and I take one teaspoon once a week. My family notices a
smell the first two days after I take it, but then it seems to clear up. If I smoke at the same time, it
seems to exacerbate it and make it worse. My daughter asked me today to please not smoke on these
two days because the smell makes her gag :-[
On another note, I'm happy to say that taking DMSO in conjunction with implementing the
suggestions that were given to me earlier in this thread is starting to take care of many of my
remaining skin problems. A couple areas are still being stubborn, but I've noticed a lot of general
improvement.
Added: Using DMSO topically also helped improve a patch of eczema that my wife has been bothered
by for quite a while.
Quote from: Shijing on August 14, 2010, 11:24:50 PM
I started taking DMSO a few weeks ago, and I take one teaspoon once a week. My family notices a smell the first two days after I take
it, but then it seems to clear up. If I smoke at the same time, it seems to exacerbate it and make it worse. My daughter asked me
today to please not smoke on these two days because the smell makes her gag :-[
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On another note, I'm happy to say that taking DMSO in conjunction with implementing the suggestions that were given to me earlier in
this thread is starting to take care of many of my remaining skin problems. A couple areas are still being stubborn, but I've noticed a lot
of general improvement.
Added: Using DMSO topically also helped improve a patch of eczema that my wife has been bothered by for quite a while.
That is exc news! I think everybody should have a solution of 99.9% DMSO around because it
basically has no expiry date and it can become really handy. It really does help!
You don't smell it when you take it, so that is the good thing. But if you are not well hydrated, the
smell is much more powerful for others. So make sure to drink enough water while taking DMSO :).
Post by: Shijing on August 15, 2010, 12:00:33 AM
Quote from: Psyche on August 14, 2010, 11:48:04 PM
You don't smell it when you take it, so that is the good thing. But if you are not well hydrated, the smell is much more powerful for
others. So make sure to drink enough water while taking DMSO :).
OK, thanks for the tip, Psyche -- I don't really pay attention to my hydration levels (more than usual)
when I take the DMSO, so I will start paying attention to that now!
Post by: Pete on August 15, 2010, 01:14:16 AM
Quote from: Shijing on August 14, 2010, 11:24:50 PM
I started taking DMSO a few weeks ago, and I take one teaspoon once a week. My family notices a smell the first two days after I take
it, but then it seems to clear up. If I smoke at the same time, it seems to exacerbate it and make it worse. My daughter asked me
today to please not smoke on these two days because the smell makes her gag :-[
On another note, I'm happy to say that taking DMSO in conjunction with implementing the suggestions that were given to me earlier in
this thread is starting to take care of many of my remaining skin problems. A couple areas are still being stubborn, but I've noticed a lot
of general improvement.
Added: Using DMSO topically also helped improve a patch of eczema that my wife has been bothered by for quite a while.
Lol. This is the same reaction my family has as well. I take a teaspoon on my days off and by the time
I get back to work it seems to be gone. Two days seems to do it for me too. The combo of smoking at
the same time is interesting, maybe I'll tone down my smoking for the two days and see what
happens.
I had never thought about using it topically before but I'm gonna give it a shot on my next day off and
see what happens. I still have a little rash that seems to come and go.
Post by: 3D Student on August 15, 2010, 08:51:20 AM
I happen to have finally used my DMSO too on Friday night before sleeping. I took a teaspoon with a
cup of water, followed by 2 more cups of water. It really tasted nasty :lol:, like eating a rotten egg
extract :P. My mom said I smelled really bad and that she could smell me when I woke up to go to the
bathroom in the middle of the night.
But when I woke up Saturday she was the only one who noticed the smell. My sister, who has a
sensitive nose as well, didn't say anything. So I'm guessing it wore off a little while I slept. I made
food so maybe that was masking the smell too.
I might try putting it on my hands, which are really dry and I think might have eczema. I just need to
find a suitable container to mix up a solution in.
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I don't think we have shared this one here just yet.
Quote
http://healthnews.benabraham.com/html/fountain_of_youth_-_nature_s_h.html
Chapter-6
DMSO - The Persecuted Drug
Dr. Stanley Jacob

A New York Times editorial on April 3, 1965 called DMSO the closest thing to a wonder drug produced in the 1960's. There was a great
deal of publicity and controversy about DMSO in the 1960's and 1970's. On March 23 and July 6, 1980, Mike Wallace had two 60 Minutes
programs on DMSO.
The Persecuted Drug - The Story of DMSO (from which the title of this chapter was borrowed) was written in 1972 by the late Pat
McGrady Sr. In the opening of his book he wrote:
This is the story of a drug which was glorified briefly as having almost panacean properties for the ailments of man and beast and
diseases of plant life and then was banished by high United States authorities (the FDA) as dangerous and without merit.
This is also the story of a mild-mannered scientist (Dr Stanley Jacob) who challenged the law and defied the officials and their police in a
soul-searing struggle to make the drug available wherever there is life.
The drug is known as DMSO, or dimethyl sulfoxide (a liquid). It has been championed by reputable physicians as capable of healing or
palliating many ailments. It has been represented as a "wonder drug" or a "miracle drug". It is abundant; it can be extracted from such
sources as coal, oil, or most commonly lignin, the material nature uses to cement cells together in trees; it is cheap; it is most often
administered by simply dabbing it on the skin, and, alone or as a carrier for other drugs, which DMSO often potentiates, it penetrates the
skin to enter the blood stream where it is borne to all parts of the body.
Scientists contend that the (thousands of) papers published in professional journals refute virtually all the FDA charges.

On July 31. 1980, Senator Mark Hatfield of Oregon testified at a hearing of Senator Edward Kennedy's sub-committee on health:
I cannot make an absolute statement that DMSO is indeed the wonder drug of our century; but every bit of evidence I encounter
reinforces the premise that it is. After 1,200 scientific publications on the merits of DMSO, after international symposia in Germany, the
U.S., and Austria - all concluding that DMSO is safe and effective - after three separate pharmaceutical firms have submitted for new drug
applications to the FDA (all rejected), DMSO is still not available to Americans, although it is available in many other countries. I have
urged the Senate to support my legislation (to approve DMSO) on behalf of all Americans who are suffering from diseases untreatable by
any other known substance and those who may have need of this drug in the future.
Strokes are the third biggest killer in the U.S., causing over 150,000 deaths a year. They are also "the primary cause of serious
disabilities", U.S. News reported on March 30, 1998, "leaving 3,000,000 people annually unable to work or take care of themselves". If
given soon after a stroke, DMSO, one of the world's greatest solvents, has been shown to dissolve the clot that causes the stroke, thus
restoring circulation and avoiding paralysis. How soon? Dr. Stanley Jacob says within the first few hours is best and intravenously is better
than oral, but oral works too. Once DMSO gets into the body either daubed on the skin, given I.V., or by mouth, it permeates the body
and crosses the brain barricr, so even taken orally it can improve circulation. One man who had a stroke at 7:30 AM refused to go to the
hospital until after his wife had spoken with Dr. Stanley Jacob, which didn't happen until 6:30 PM. Starting at 7 PM the day of the stroke,
she gave him one ounce of 50% DMSO in a little orange juice every 15 minutes for two hours and then every half hour for two hours.
The next day, her husband was better and soon returned to normal. A substance that can stop a stroke as it's happening is something
many might want in their home medicine chest.
Neurosurgeon Dr. Jack de Ia Torre is professor of physiology and neurosurgery at the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque. He and
Dr. Jacob believe that DMSO should be in every ambulance and emergency room so as to start giving it intravenously to stroke victims in
the ambulance as soon as picked up or, at the latest, as soon as the patient arrives at an emergency room. If such were the established
practice, the number of people dying or incapacitated from strokes would plummet.
Not only would many lives be saved, but also the awful hardship of paralysis or loss of speech might be prevented. A stroke, even
survived, can often bring a person's effective life to an abrupt halt. The savings to the medical system would be astronomical. The cost of
the product: pharmaceutical grade DMSO retails at $30-40 a gallon.
DMSO's ability to stop strokes is only its most dramatic and unappreciated attribute, and the one which would save the most lives, the
most suffering, and the most money.

A close second is DMSO's effectiveness with head and/or spinal cord injuries. Dr. de la Torre states there are around 1,000,000 head
injuries each year. Of these about 500,000 are hospitalized with 50-80,000 being severe, another 50,000 moderate, and the rest less
serious. Of the 50,000 severe, 60-70% either die or have severe continuing neurological problems (i.e., paralysis), a multi-billion dollar a
year expense.
Research in animals indicates to Dr. de la Torre that if Christopher Reeve had been given DMSO intravenously immediately after his
accident, he might never have been paralyzed. Dr. Jacob first has given DMSO intravenously to people who were already paralyzed -
paraplegics - and little by little they regained use of limbs. One man, quadraplegic, recovered enough to go through college and then to
work in a bank.
A recent study in Turkey combined DMSO with fructose diphosphate. In 20 patients with head injuries, the combination proved very
effective in decreasing intracranial pressure. De la Tone declares that in his experience, nothing reduces intracranial pressure faster than
DMSO. Animal tests in the 1960's and then human tests on prisoners in 1967 demonstrated that DMSO is non-toxic, indeed, less toxic
than aspirin.
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In Dr. de la Torre's tests on dogs, injuries that normally would have caused paralysis healed completely when DMSO was given. The
mechanisms of action by DMSO are much the same in both strokes and spinal cord injuries. In DMSO, Nature's Healer, Dr. Morton Walker
summarizes Dr. de Ia Torre's testimony to Congress in 1980 on DMSO's methodology, based on his research with the drug which began
in 1971:
DMSO permits and promotes better blood flow by dilating blood vessels, thus increasing the delivery of oxygen and by reducing blood
platelet stickiness.
Because DMSO dilates blood vessels, carotid artery blood flow to the brain increases after DMSO is given intravenously.
After I.V. administration of DMSO, there is an elevation in the amount of spinal cord blood flow to the region of trauma. One of the first
things that happens after spinal cord trauma is that a reduction of oxygen and blood flow sets in, inasmuch as the blood vessels constrict
or shut down... Without some treatment, the tissue swells. Eventually, this leads to paralysis. In a cerebral stroke, the animal will either
become comatose or lethargic or die. With DMSO infusion immediately after injury (or stroke) all this is prevented.
Thirty minutes after giving DMSO I.V., there is an increase in the flow of cortisone, a natural body substance which helps fight off effects
of trauma, even though the animal being tested had already stopped secreting cortisone.
DMSO crosses the blood-brain barrier, enters the brain, picks up water from an injury, and rushes it out of the system, thus relieving
intracranial pressure.
In animal tests, the animals are brought to a point where the electroencephalogram reading becomes flat, just preceding brain death...
Ten minutes after injection of DMSO, the electroencephalogram returns and the brain becomes active again.
Dr.Walker adds, "DMSO tends to protect nerve cells... following injury. It provides better protection than any other treatments. Scientists
have verified this by observation with the electron microscope and the light microscope. Thus DMSO prevents the paralysis that may
ensue following trauma; it alters the severe effects seen after a brain stroke".
Drs. Jacob and de la Tone believe that DMSO is the treatment of choice in strokes and note that de la Torre's work has been confirmed
by at least three different groups of investigators in other parts of the country. They also believe that the combination of DMSO with
fructose disphosphate should be the treatment of choice in spinal cord and closed head injuries, where the fructose diphosphate provides
energy to help restore damaged tissue.
Dreaded Alzheimer's disease will also be another area, they expect, where the combination of DMSO and fructose diphosphate (patented
by Dr. De La Torre) will become the treatment of choice, the fructose diphosphate being carried across the blood brain barrier by the
DMSO to help restore energy to a deteriorating brain.
In experiments with rats, Dr. de la Torre has combined L-dopa with DMSO, which carries the L-dopa across the blood brain barrier into the
brain where it becomes dopamine and turns off the part of the brain which causes the trembling and other symptoms of Parkinson's.
While strokes are the third largest killer in the US, heart attacks kill the most people - about 3/4 of a million per year. Remembering
DMSO's ability to dilate blood vessels and improve blood flow, it is not surprising that South American research indicates that DMSO is
effective in heart attacks and angina; prompt use of it in heart attacks has been credited with preventing damage to heart muscle.
Reporting this in his book, Dr. Morton Walker says, "There is a crying need for research on the use of massive doses of DMSO (2 grams
per kilogram of body weight) in the treatment of heart attacks".
If DMSO is that good, then where is it? Why can't we get it? Why isn't it used? That is another story, and a sad one when one thinks of
the suffering that could have been relieved or avoided if research in DMSO had not been stifled by the FDA. But this story isn't over yet.
DMSO, in addition to being a very safe and effective non-toxic drug, is also a commercial solvent used in many industrial processes. Unlike
Koch, Rife, or Krebiozen, it cannot be stamped out since it can easily be bought in many hardware stores. Everyone involved in DMSO
research is upset at private use of commercial grade DMSO for any medical purpose, and with good reason since it contains impurities.
However, people suffering from arthritis or other pains have taken matters into their own hands. There is a large underground market in
the substance, and pharmaceutical grade can frequently be found, not sold for healing purposes, of course. Cutting in half or less the time
to heal sprains, many athletes count on it. It's legal for veterinarians to use in dogs, cats, and horses.
It should have been otherwise. DMSO should be a prescription drug available to doctors for general use, as it is in Europe. Instead, it is
approved by the FDA for use in humans in just one rare disease, a painful bladder condition called interstitial cystitis. The health uses of
DMSO make it one of the most versatile substances ever found - a wonder drug indeed. It was discovered in 1866 by Russian scientist Dr
Alexander Saytzeff, who noted in a paper he published in a German medical journal the following year that it would dissolve virtually
anything combined with it.
Entering the body either painted on the skin, taken orally, or via I.V., DMSO rapidly penetrates the cells and cleans them of toxins, a
desirable mechanism which may explain much of its versatility.
Athletes still know about DMSO. June Jones, once quarterback and later coach of the Atlanta Falcons pro-football team, knows of DMSO.
His career almost didn't happen, he told the House of Representatives Committee on Aging in 1980, which was investigating why the FDA
was still telling people that DMSO was dangerous. With a bursitis calcification in his right shoulder, he could hardly lift his arm, let alone
throw a football. From Oregon, he was aware of DMSO and of Dr. Stanley Jacob, and had used DMSO for sprains, like thousands of
others. So he went to Dr. Jacob, who gave him a shot of DMSO in the shoulder and told him that the calcification might disappear if he
used DMSQ for 30 days straight. He followed instructions and it did disappear. The FDA still has not approved DMSO for sports medicine.
Former Oregon Governor Tom McCall knows about DMSO. Stricken suddenly by bursitis in 1963, two daubings of DMSO on his shoulder
put an end to the problem as the DMSO dissolved the calcification that caused the painful condition.
A byproduct of wood pulp production, this "tree juice" as the late Pat McGrady called it, helps so many human problems that one is
reminded of the Book of Genesis, where God said that He had placed on the Earth something for every human condition. It takes us
awhile to figure some of them out, and then even longer to clear away the man-made obstacles to their use.
In 1960, Robert Herschler, chemist and chief of research at Crown Zellerbach, a huge paper and pulp manufacturer near Portland, found
an inexpensive way to produce DMSO as a byproduct of the pulp industry. He noted that the chemical had a remarkable ability to
penetrate the skin and spread throughout the body very quickly. By itself not toxic, Herschler learned that when DMSO is put together
with something toxic, there can be problems if the combination is put on the skin or ingested. Since DMSO is a solvent, he and an
assistant regularly washed their hands in it until the day he did so after having handled pesticides and became quite sick.
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To this day, after many hundreds of thousands, probably even millions of people have been treated with DMSO and thousands of studies
have been done, this is the only danger associated with DMSO, beware of what you mix it with.
Realizing there could be medical possibilities in DMSO, in 1961 Herschler got permission from his superiors to check with the University of
Oregon Medical School in Portland, and was introduced to Stanley Jacob. The meeting made medical history. Dr. Stanley Jacob, brilliant
graduate (in surgery) of Harvard Medical School and professor of surgery on the faculty of the University of Oregon Medical School, had
published 40 papers in prestigious medical journals before he heard of DMSO. Holder of numerous academic and professional honors, he
was already a pioneer. Heart transplants were still the stuff of science fiction in 1961, but even then Jacob and his associates were getting
puppy hearts to beat in mature dogs for several days, and he was looking for ways to preserve them. He found it in DMSO, which is now
used worldwide for storage of organ transplants.
After hearing about DMSO from Robert Herschler, Jacob painted some on his arm and within moments became aware of its oysterish
taste in his mouth. He knew that this meant that the substance had not only quickly penetrated his skin but that it had gone into his
bloodstream and permeated his entire system. He realized that this could mean an entirely new medical principle for delivering medicines.
As Pat McGrady put it, DMSO "was to change Stanley Jacob's life and what he learned about it was to change the lives of many others
and had the capacity to change many more".
Dr. Jacob and Herschler devised numerous experiments, one showing that mice which had sustained burns were more comfortable after
being daubed with DMSO. Herschler soon profited from this knowledge. After an accidental chemical burn on his hands, arms, and
forehead, he called Jacob. "Apply DMSO on one side and see what happens", Jacob told him. Herschler called him back in 15 minutes,
"The pain stopped. Now I'm going to do the other side". A few weeks later, one of Herschler's assistants sprained an ankle. In 15 minutes
after DMSO was applied, the pain was gone and in 30 minutes the swelling as well.
Someone complained to Dr. Jacob of a splitting headache and gave him permission to apply some DMSO after hearing of its capabilities.
The headache was gone in minutes, came back in four hours, and left for good after DMSO was applied a second time. Used for one
purpose, sometimes it did another; put on a cold sore, within a few hours it cleared up a woman's sinusitis. A woman who had had a
stroke found after DMSO was painted on her painful jaw that she could now write with her paralyzed hand and could walk better. Dr.
Jacob found that it could also suppress inflammation.
The tree juice worked in trees, too. Withered old apple trees became youthful and full of leaves after DMSO was injected under the bark.
Applying DMSO where it hurt to a six-year-old wasted from rheumatoid arthritis, in a half hour the child could move her shoulder and turn
her head for the first time in two years. Persuaded to try walking, she managed a few steps and then burst into tears. "Why are you
crying?" Dr Jacob asked her. "Because it doesn't hurt anymore", she replied.
DMSO was very cheap, Herschler told Jacob. "I could pipe it down here. You could have it by the barrel or the tank!"
Impressed with what he was seeing but wanting someone skeptical to play devil's advocate, Dr. Jacob sought out Dr. Edward
Rosenbaum, a physician in private practice in Portland. Rosenbaum did not pay much attention until a patient with severe bursitis started
laughing, proclaiming his pain gone 15 minutes after his shoulder was painted with DMSO. Another colleague poopooed DMSO until after
one of his bursititis patients had recovered via the chemical. He then declared that obviously the case must have been misdiagnosed - and
asked if he should buy some stock in Crown Zellerbach (which produced DMSO).
In 1963, Dr. Jacob and Robert Herschler submitted two papers on DMSO to medical journals. Before the articles were published, the
press broke the DMSO story on December 10, 1963 when Crown Zellerbach and the University of Oregon filed at the state capital a
contract in which they became partners in the patented uses of DMSO. The patents were requested in the names of Herschler and Jacob
and spelled out the major results seen from DMSO research, so the news was now public. On December 18, the New York Times carried
the story on its front page and Crown Zellerbach's stock jumped 10%.
The January and March 1964 issues of Northwest Medicine published articles by Jacob and Rosenbaum on bursitis and arthritis. This gave
some legitimization to DMSO in scientific circles but stirred up animosity as well among those who resented hearing about DMSO first in
the popular press. When Jacob presented his work to the University of Oregon Medical School faculty, there were a few jeers of "liar,
charlatan, quack". It was hard for many to believe that something as versatile as DMSO could exist. Dr. Jacob sent a memo describing 20
of his cases to his immediate superior and friend, who replied with a note saying "This smacks of Andrew Ivy!" A few months later, the
same friend told Jacob that he had dreamed the previous night that the DMSO affair had been turned over to the National Academy of
Sciences. Then Stan Jacob remembered his father's dream. A week before he died, his father said he had dreamed that Stan would find
some wonderful chemical from wood, and people all over the world would be holding out their hands for it!
That dream was coming true. It would be eight years before his colleague's dream came true, and a lot of fur would fly before then.
In 1965 Merck, Syntex, and Squibb Pharmaceutical all submitted New Drug Applications (NDA's) to the FDA, stating that DMSO was ready
to be a prescription drug. The FDA turned all of them down. In July 1965, the first international symposium on DMSO was held in Berlin.
What happened to DMSO (and Krebiozen before it) is hard to understand without recalling the crisis atmosphere in the early 1960's
surrounding the sleeping medication thalidomide. The request for approval of the drug was assigned to Dr. Frances Kelsey, Chief of the
Investigational Drug Branch. She processed the application by doing nothing at all with it for about two years. During that time a number
of babies were born in Europe without arms or other limbs and the cause was traced back to thalidomide. Since Dr. Kelsey had not
processed the application and thus "saved" Americans from the drug, she got a medal from President Kennedy, (The truth, Dr. Morton
Walker tells in DMSO, Nature's Healer, was somewhat different: 1,200 doctors in the U.S. had access to thalidomide through the FDA and
there were thalidomide babies in the U.S. Some were children of doctors.)
After Dr. Kelsey was honored, every other FDA bureaucrat was on the lookout for ways to show vigilance and for things to stop. On
February 8, 1981, Robert Herschler appeared on David Hartmann's Good Morning America show and told his host about DMSO's
reception at the FDA. "They complained bitterly in 1964 that DMSO was both a commercial solvent and a drug. They could not control it.
Frances Kelsey raised her hands and said 'We simply cannot cope with a product like DMSO. We envision hundreds of (new drug)
applications coming in and we simply don't have budget or staff'. After that, the FDA took a hard line on DMSO".
Remembering thalidomide, the FDA apparently was looking for things to stop, and found its chance in late 1965. The FDA learned that
tests in rabbits, dogs, and pigs (but not humans) had shown some problems. When quantities of DMSO equal to about ten times the
maximum human dose (i.e., equal to 350 grams a day for a 175 pound man) were given every day over a period of six months, slight
changes in the lenses of the animals' eyes would result, enough to produce a slight nearsightedness. The lens changes were not enough
to cause dogs difficulty when running - they didn't bump into things - and in some cases, the changes disappeared after the massive
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DMSO doses were stopped. In no test at that time or since has DMSO ever caused cataracts, either in animals or in humans.
The FDA decided that DMSO was the dangerous drug it was looking for. The first Dr. Jacob and his colleagues knew of the animal tests
was on November 10, 1965. On that crucial date, the FDA sent notices to all the drug companies involved in DMSO research (Squibb,
Syntex, Merck) that "administration of the drug must be discontinued and the drug recalled from all clinical investigation". In addition, the
FDA put out a series of press releases carried by media all over the world warning of the blinding effects of DMSO, and leading people to
believe that DMSO caused cataracts. But no animals were blinded, and the FDA knew that. The "spin" was designed to show that once
again the FDA had "saved" us.
Thus research was stopped in its tracks on a drug which was stopping pain (when nothing else could) from bursitis, arthritis (including
rheumatoid), and gout, which was cutting at least in half the time needed for recovery from athletic injuries, and which had even saved a
boy's life when his neck was broken in an accident. DMSO prevents swelling and rapid injection of the chemical soon after the accident
prevented the swelling which otherwise would have choked him to death.
Drs. Jacob and Rosenbaum and Robert Herschler had constantly been looking for any indication of DMSO toxicity and had found none.
Learning of the animal data, as quickly as could be arranged they brought past and current patients to the ophthalmologists at the
University of Oregon to look for lens changes of any sort. After months of testing, absolutely no lens problems were found. To the
contrary, several reported they could see better after using DMSO (on other parts of the body). So the order to stop research had been
based on an inaccurate pretext.
Informed of the tests by Dr. Jacob and others showing that humans were not experiencing the same lens changes as the three animal
species, the FDA at first seemed to have second thoughts. Had they overreacted?
An FDA less eager to play "gotcha" might have handled the situation quite differently. Upon receiving the initial lens data, they might have
immediately informed the drug companies and Dr. Jacob and asked them urgently to check if any humans were experiencing the same
problems as the animals, which is what Jacob and his team did anyway, being responsible scientists.
Or, after its first release, the FDA could have announced that it was good to be vigilant but that DMS0 was not causing the same results in
humans as had been seen in some animals. It could then have said quietly to the researchers, "watch very carefully for human problems
because if such occur, DMSO will have to be withdrawn". If the FDA had done that, everybody would have been happy. The FDA would
have shown its vigilance for drug dangers, which is what it's supposed to do. And nobody would want to work with a medicine that
caused eye problems.
Finally, FDA adopted an all too human attitude; they did not want to admit they had made a mistake. They apparently arrived at a
decision that DMSO must be another thalidomide and that if FDA agents only looked hard enough, they would find the evidence and all
would be heroes. If it had turned out that way, they would have been, but it didn't.
In 1965, the JAMA printed an article by Dr. Jacob on DMSO. Interestingly, his trouble has only been with the FDA, not the AMA. The JAMA
has never turned down one of his articles, and he regularly writes its book reviews.
Before freedom in DMSO research was withdrawn, orthopedic surgeon Dr. Forrest Riordan saw DMSO save a frostbite patient's limbs.
Arriving home after midnight on a -15 degree F night, a 59-year-old woman slipped on the ice outside her garage, hit her head, lost
consciousness, and lay beside her car for six hours. By the time Dr. Riordan saw her, her feet and hands were purple, and her fingers
were turning black. Having already treated 50 patients with DMSO and being aware of its use in preserving and restoring tissue, Dr.
Riordan decided to give it a try. Pat McGrady describes what happened. "The question was, would DMSO give new life to the lady's dying
fingers and restore blood to her limbs? Ten minutes after Riordan had swabbed DMSO on the patient's hands and lower legs, the treated
areas reddened with the return of blood. The DMSO odor was on her breath, showing that the drug was permeating the woman's
system. On the second day, blisters had popped out on the frozen areas and that evening she regained consciousness... On the third day,
sensation began returning to some of the toes and later the tips of the fingers began to have feeling again. By Day Seven, she was able
to flex her joints. For an entire month, the patient was sloshed, swabbed, and dabbed with DMSO. Almost a gallon of it was used, but side
effects amounted only to an occasional rash, a bit of burning and itching... By Day Fourteen, it was clear that all tissues were viable...
Riordan concluded that the drug should be applied within 12 hours of freezing and that 24 hours may mark the critical point in reversing
damage to the involved blood vessels".
This is the sort of experimentation that was going on before FDA halted DMSO research, a freedom to "try it since nothing else is
working" approach, which in this case probably saved one lady her life and certainly her four limbs. How many others today might have
saved limbs if the knowledge of this one case had been broadcast and DMSO's use encouraged instead of discouraged?
Planning had been going on for some time for a Symposium on DMSO to be held in March 1966 at the New York Academy of Sciences.
On November 9, 1965, a top FDA official told Dr. Jacob that he had it on good authority that the Symposium would never be held, not
explaining that he would announce the DMSO ban the next day.
He was wrong. Dr. Chauncey Leake of the University of California Medical Center, who had agreed to chair the Symposium, told Dean
Baird, Dr. Jacob's superior at the Medical School, that he'd been asked to drop plans for the symposium on the grounds that it would be
embarrassing for both the drug companies and the FDA. Baird replied "Chauncey, when have you and I as deans and educators ever let
political or economic considerations compromise the search for scientific truth?" Baird also told Jacob that Crown Zellerbach, unused to
such controversy, had urged him to call off the symposium. The New York Academy of Sciences, a large, prestigious organization
founded in 1828 with over 25,000 members, made their displeasure at political interference evident by putting up the $60,000 cost of
the meeting when pharmaceutical companies refused to do so.
Undeterred by the FDA, over 1,000 people from the world scientific community were in attendance when the symposium opened at the
Waldorf Astoria on March 14, 1966, to go on for three days. When one of the FDA officials spoke, stating "this symposium is a measure
of the freedom of investigation.., prevailing in this country", people wondered if he was being ironic.
The papers presented showed great enthusiasm for DMSO and its unusual medical properties. Its ability to protect living cells from cold
and radiation was discussed, and its lack of toxicity was stressed. Pat McGrady who attended, wrote, "the studies covered a spectrum of
diseases probably far greater than any ever before considered in relation to a single drug".
McGrady called special attention to an extraordinary paper presented by Dr. Eduardo Ramirez and Dr. Segisfredo Luza of the Ayetano
Heredia University in Lima, Peru. After extensive tests on animals and then on normal humans, Dr. Ramirez reported "injecting 50% or
80% DMSO intramuscularly into patients with acute and chronic schizophrenia" and that "of the 14 acute cases, every single one was
discharged from the hospital within 45 days after the start of DMSO treatment... He said that 4 of the 11 chronic cases, one of whom
has been ill for 14 years, were discharged eventually, and the other 7 improved a great deal and were given occupational therapy... He
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observed rapid decrease in agitation... recession of persecution feeling, a relatively sudden tendency to communicate and to stay clean..,
the wane of obsessions, return to alertness, and a calmness where there had been restlessness and anxiety". The only side effects were
the characteristic garlic-like odor of DMSO.
At the end of the symposium, after an almost dazzling presentation of papers, McGrady reported that "an FDA agent turned to Ann
Sullivan of the Portland Oregonian and said 'DMSO is through'. Ann looked at the man in amazement and asked 'Where did you ever get
that idea?' 'My boss told me', the agent answered."
Meanwhile, the drug companies who had been doing clinical trials were reexamining patients and gathering data regarding possible eye
damage. Squibb collected 3,000 cases, Merck 17,000 cases, and Syntex 7,000. No eye changes or damage or any other sign of toxicity
were found. By this time, DMSO had been used in 100,000 people, and there had been no complaints of eye problems anywhere.
Additionally, sufficient animal tests had been carried out to make it clear that the lens changes that had been observed were "species
specific", i.e., they only occurred in dogs, rabbits, and pigs, and not in monkeys, other primates, or any other animals.
Neither the pharmaceutical reports or the new animal tests seemed to have much effect on the FDA's new commissioner, Dr. James
Goddard. Goddard soon showed that he intended to use the police powers that Congress had given him to investigate scientists, who
had never before been treated that way by federal regulators. Quickly adopting a tough line, he took the FDA into some surprising new
areas. Speaking to an AMA convention, he announced that "the FDA is now a third party to the practice of medicine", to the general
consternation of the doctors. It began to look as though Dr. Goddard was out to prove he too could stop a thalidomide and that he
suspected maybe DMSO was it.
DMSO patients, however, did not agree. Those who had found DMSO a veritable WD-40 for arthritis were furious when their pain returned
after the FDA stopped DMSO. They talked to the press, they called their senators and congressmen, and wrote angry letters to the FDA.
Pat McGrady provides a few samples:
My brother has arthritis of the spine. He is in pain and bedridden more than half the time. When he is treated with DMSO, he is able to lead
a normal, active life... Just ONE application of this cheap, safe DMSO changed my brother from a grimacing patient into an active,
pain-free man in exactly 30 minutes! Multiply him and my family by thousands of times, then think what the FDA's Divine Right of Kings
Law is doing to thousands and thousands of patients and their families.
I had arthritis for four years, gradually getting worse until I was in such agony day and night. I was almost at my wit's ends... I heard of
Dr Jacob and went to visit him... Almost from the first I began to get relief. Now I am on my feet, well and active... I have never in my life
wished ill of anyone but experiencing the caliber of this agency (FDA) I wish every last one of them would suddenly have an attack of
acute arthritis so painful that you could hear them yell from there to here and have to beg for the only drug discovered that could give
them real help.
FDA statements continued to refer to DMSO's dangerous side effects but gave no specifics, no who, when, where. Pat McGrady pressed
four consecutive FDA commissioners for data on the "dangerous effects". They all replied that the information was in their files. He asked
them to produce it - four times. They promised to send it to him - four times, but it never came. While Official Medicine had stopped
DMSO research in the U.S., at least it could go on freely elsewhere. A Third International Symposium on DMSO was held in Vienna in
November 1966 and 250 scientists from 12 countries attended. Dr. Chauncey Leake, as keynoter, said, "Fortunately, members of the
health professions throughout the world are not all bound by the bureaucratic regulations and judgments of the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration". Pat McGrady, who also attended, commented "It was strange hearing this statesman of science in this hall and this city,
which less than a generation ago had been occupied by one of the bloodiest regimes in history, now apologize for regimentation in
America".
He also reported, "As at the Berlin and New York symposia, scientists said they had failed to induce eye damage with DMSO in any animal
species close to the human, and they could find no evidence of eye troubles attributable to DMSO in any patient".
Some of the interesting papers presented, McGrady wrote, showed that DMSO benefited 77% of patients with rheumatoid arthritis and
84% with osteoarthritis, controlled many kinds of pain, sped healing, offset injurious effects of radiation therapy, and proved superior to
all other therapy for winter and sports injuries. Experiments in animals showed that when given to mice ten days before infection, DMSO
prevented typhus, and that DMSO tended to stabilize collagen, a possible anti-aging effect. McGrady noted that "scores of scientists
confirmed the majority of claims Jacob had made... Distinguished scientists clustered around him and congratulated him for what some
called a classical contribution to science and medicine". It was learned at the conference that Germany quietly was restoring DMSO to
drugstores as a prescription medicine.
Dr. Richard Brobyn, while a consultant for Merck, had devised a plan for human toxicity experiments in prisoners. After the FDA
crackdown, Merck lost interest but Squibb liked his idea. Squibb proposed to the FDA that Squibb and FDA split the cost for Brobyn's plan
and the FDA agreed. Arrangements were made for Dr. Brobyn to carry out the trials at the state prison in Vacaville California in the fall of
1967.
By this time, all research with prisoners was carried out in accordance with the ethical principles worked out by Dr. Andrew Ivy when he
was the American medical ethics adviser at the Nuremberg trials. Years later, Dr. Brobyn told Pat McGrady that he himself took the
amount of DMSO to be given to the prisoners "because I wouldn't expect a patient or experimental subject to do something I wouldn't do
myself".
Brobyn's plan was for 67 male prisoners to cover themselves with ten times the permissible human dose of DMSO every day for two
weeks, after which they were closely examined. Finding no trace of any effects other than a rash (an occasional result of DMSO applied to
the skin), the second, 90-day phase of the test started. Forty prisoners similarly doused themselves each day with DMSO, which quickly
penetrated the skin. Regularly put to numerous exams with special attention to eyes, at the end of 90 days no evidence of toxicity had
been seen in the prisoners and the attending ophthalmologist saw no effect at all on the prisoners' eyes. Dr. Morton Walker observed in
DMSO, Nature's Healer that "if sugar, salt, coffee, or tea had been taken by the prisoners over three months in quantities equal to the
DMSO they absorbed, it would have killed them". Pat McGrady later asked Dr. Brobyn what if he had given the prisoners ten times the
permissible dose of aspirin ever day for three months. Brobyn replied, "You're asking ... is aspirin more toxic than DMSO? My answer:
Certainly".
Brobyn was right. The classic test for toxicity is known as the LD-50 test, which measures the lethal dose (LD) at which half of a group of
test animals is killed. The LD-50 tests for aspirin and DMSO show that aspirin is seven times as toxic as DMSO.
A year after the Vacaville tests, the FDA lifted its ban on clinical testing in humans and approved tests of DMSO in rheumatoid arthritis and
scleroderma and, separately, in sprains, bursitis, and tendinitis. This did not release it to doctors for general use in these conditions, but
only permitted drug companies to prepare complicated applications for testing in them.
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In 1970, Dr. M. Brandsma of Los Angeles reported that a case of systemic lupus erythematosus, which had not responded to prednisone,
had gone into remission for three years (at the time of reporting) from DMSO. The same year, British scientists found in two double-blind
studies that DMSO combined with idoxyuridine stopped the suffering from painful shingles in from 2 to 9 days.
Various pieces of research had shown DMSO to be effective against viruses and an important clue as to why this happened was given in
1971 by Dr. M. Kunze and associates in Vienna. Their study checked the production of interferon in mice following infection of the mice by
the scientists with certain viruses. They reported that when DMSO was injected 10 minutes after the mice were infected with viruses, "the
animals produced anywhere from 2 to 16 times as much interferon as they would have, had no DMSO been given after their being
infected".
The very significant fact that DMSO would cross the blood brain barrier had been evident from Dr. Jacob's early research. For those
interested in "smart pills", the early 1970's work which John L. Brink and Donald G. Stein of Clark University published in Volume 158 of
Science magazine is relevant. Magnesium pemoline (PMH) had already been noted to improve learning in rats and in humans. Brink and
Stein reported that PMH dissolved in 100% DMSO greatly increased rats' learning abilities over what was achieved with pemoline alone.
Injecting into rats a solution of radioactive PMH or a solution of radioactive PMH dissolved in DMSO, they noted that the DMSO/PMH
solution was from 50%-100% more successful in crossing the blood-brain barrier than the PMH+water solution alone.
Pat McGrady once asked Dr. Stanley Jacob who would gain the most from DMSO. Here is Dr. Jacob's answer. "Quadraplegia is the
saddest thing that happens to people. It occurs most often to the young and healthy, to soldiers fighting our wars, to youngsters driving,
to athletes in personal contact games. As a quadraplegic, you lie in bed, a total vegetable. Your mind functions but you cannot pass urine
or have a bowel movement without help... So many of them eventually say to me 'Dr. Jacob, I couldn't even commit suicide'." Jacob told
McGrady about one such patient, a case where he was called in almost immediately following an accident. "A 16-year-old girl, a fine
athlete, who dove off a board and landed on her neck on the bottom of the pool. Her doctor was pessimistic but willing to try almost
anything that offered a glimmer of hope. She was a complete quadraplegic, utterly helpless. She was on DMSO for an entire year.
Gradually - one by one, it seemed - her organs began to function again. Eventually, she walked. And now she is in college, doing very
well."
This was accomplished with the medicine on which FDA banned research in the U.S. in 1965. It was 13 years later before the FDA
approved DMSO as a prescription drug for use in interstitial cystitis.
Grey Keinsley of Littleton, Colorado, is the one-time quadraplegic mentioned earlier by Dr. Jacob, who went on to college and to ajob in a
bank. But Keinsley did not start DMSO until February 1965, two years after his accident. By August 1965, he lifted both arms over his
head and put on a T-shirt unassisted. A little later sensation began to return to his lower chest and his right hip. Then the FDA banned
DMSO, and he was deprived of it for three years, starting again only in 1968. The next year, he received his bachelor of arts degree in
economics. His mother told McGrady that Dr. Jacob not only did not charge for his services, but paid bills for extensive medical
examinations which were done in Colorado. McGrady reported that as of 1973, Grey Keinsley could move both of his legs. Grey Keinsley
is the only known case of a quadraplegic regaining movement of the lower limbs when therapy was started two years after the accident.
Dr. Jacob has seen two quadraplegic patients recover completely when DMSO was started within one hour after the accident.
In 1971, Squibb Pharmaceutical again filed an NDA, stating once more that DMSO was ready to become a prescription drug, and again
was turned down by the FDA.
In 1972, the prediction in 1964 of Stanley Jacob's colleague came true; the FDA asked the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), through
its National Research Council to make an "independent review" of all information on the effectiveness and toxicity of DMSO. However, the
NAS got much of its funding at that time from the FDA. An NAS officer told Pat McGrady "we have been asked to wash the FDA's dirty
linen, and we have agreed."
McGrady learned that the NAS intended to take 4 months just to plan how it would read the 1,200 papers (at that time) on DMSO, and
then to take 18-24 months to do so. At a press conference, McGrady told the NAS president that, having read all the papers, he
calculated that he, as a slow reader, could read them all in three weeks, or a fast reader could go through them all in two weeks.
Instead of taking two years to read the material, McGrady challenged, why not set three fast readers to go over the papers in two weeks
and then free the drug for medical use if no reason was found to continue the ban. This would be preferable, he pointed out, to holding up
research on DMSO, since the published studies seemed to show no toxicity to humans. He further suggested that the FDA be required to
provide solid evidence of toxicity, if they had any, while Dr. Jacob and his colleagues be invited to provide all favorable and unfavorable
reports.
These suggestions were apparently far too sensible to be taken seriously. When the report came out in 1974, it seemed as though the
Official Medicine of the FDA was speaking through the mouth of the NAS. The report stated (despite 1,200 papers to the contrary) that
"there was inadequate scientific evidence of effectiveness of DMSO for the treatment of any disease, and that the toxicity potential was
sufficiently great that the drug should remain an investigational drug". Thus DMSO would not be released for doctors to use in general
practice, but would remain bottled up.
In 1974, another symposium on DMSO was held at the New York Academy of Sciences. In 1975, the universally liked Pat McGrady, once
science advisor to the American Cancer Society, died of cancer. His DMSO, the Persecuted Drug is a classic on the early years of DMSO.
Meanwhile, in Houston, Dr. Eli Jordon Tucker, an elderly and highly respected orthopedic surgeon, was treating cancer with a combination
of DMSO and hematoxylon, a non-toxic dye sometimes used as a medicine. In experiments in cancerous mice conducted by Thomas D.
Rogers, PhD, under the supervision of Vernon Scholes MD at North Texas State University, the mixture was seen to go directly to tumors
and nowhere else, where it effectively starved them. Hematoxylon without DMSO was found to have no effect at all on cancer. In 1972,
Houston KHOU TV newsman Ron Stone did a documentary on Dr. Tucker's achievements in cancer. Dr. Tucker himself never published his
DMSO-hematoxylon results after 1968 out of concern over losing his license for using an unapproved drug. Dr. Morton Walker devoted
30 pages of his DMSO, Nature's Healer to the fascinating story of Dr. Tucker. (With Dr. John Sessions, Dr. Walker has also written Coping
with Cancer, a further discussion of DMSO therapy for cancer; both books are available from Freelance Communications, 484 High Ridge
Road, Stamford, CT 06904-3095.)
Finding his DMSO-hematoxylon mix effective in large cell lymphosarcoma and adenocarcinoma in dogs, Dr. Tucker worked out a human
dosage which he gave only to terminal patients.
One who remembers the DMSO combination and Dr. Tucker very well is Alva Ruth Wilson in the Houston area. She qualified for his
treatment because when she sought him out (after hearing the TV program), she had been given six months to live from
lymphosarcoma. Starting in January 1973, she took an intravenous drip of the DMSO-hematoxylon mixture five days a week. Before
requesting Dr. Tucker's treatment, Mrs. Wilson had maximum amounts of chemotherapy and radiation, but neither helped - the tumors
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kept on spreading. Chemotherapy had to be stopped because its side effects were giving her leukopenia, a disease in which her white cells
had dropped to way below normal, leaving her with almost no immunity. While she was on Dr. Tucker's program, her conventional doctor
wanted to give her more radiation. Dr. Tucker told her that since she was on DMSO, the radiation would not hurt her, a fact well
established by clinical studies in various countries and virtually ignored in the United States. Although no primary source of her cancer was
ever found, some cloudiness in X-rays of the stomach aroused suspicion, so that was where the radiation was directed. Another woman
(not one of Dr. Tucker's patients) who started radiation of the stomach the same day returned for the second treatment in a wheelchair,
so ill had the radiation made her, and for the third on a stretcher as a patient in the hospital. But Mrs. Wilson, taking her daily DMSO I.V.,
took the same radiation and felt great. By January 1974, after a year on Dr. Tucker's program, no more tumors could be found and she
continues in fine health in 2000.
As far as Dr. Jacob knows, DMSO was not used on those who suffered radiation damage at Chernobyl.
Another of Dr. Tucker's success stories, Joe Floyd of Spring, Texas, was 71 and in good health when interviewed by Dr. Walker in 1989.
In 1974, Floyd was stricken with deadly adenocarcinoma. By coincidence, his doctor's wife had the same kind of cancer and the doctor
urged Floyd to take the chemotherapy his wife would take. Floyd demurred and sought out Dr. Tucker.
Six months later, he was back at work, but the doctor's wife was dead.
Clyde Robert Lindsay knows about DMSO. At 3 years of age, in 1966, he was given up for dead with cancer. Dr. Tucker gave his mother
a dropper bottle of DMSO+hematoxylon and told her to give him 5 drops in distilled water every morning on an empty stomach. In 1992,
Dr. Walker found him to be a big, strong young man of 29.
While researching for DMSO, Nature's Healer, Dr. Walker visited Dr. Tucker, who gave him his formula. Then, as Walker explains, "Dr.
Tucker himself came down with a form of cancer that would have responded to his DMSO+hematoxylon treatment, but before he could
administer it to himself, he fell into a coma". No one had access to the formula, and Dr. Walker did not know that Dr. Tucker needed it
until after Dr. Tucker died.
To make sure Dr. Tucker's formula does not get lost, Dr. Walker printed it in DMSO, Nature's Healer, with comp1ete instructions for
preparation and dosage. Walker notes that the treatment solution can be taken orally (the way Clyde Robert Lindsay took it).
Dr. Tucker's remarkable work, as yet unnoticed by conventional medicine, should not be considered surprising since there have been
numerous studies indicating that DMSO either by itself or in combination with other drugs can be helpful in cancer. As mentioned earlier,
DMSO is known to stimulate the body's production of interferon which, synthesized, has been used in cancer treatment. DMSO has been
found to potentiate certain chemotherapies while rendering them less toxic, and this has been reported in the medical literature. DMSO
would permit safer and more effective use of radiation in cancer treatment, because of its protective action (as noted in Mrs. Wilson's
case). This was originally reported in 1961. The March 1985 Russian radiological journal Meditsinkaya Radiologia reported on the use of
DMSO with radiation in cancer treatment.
Pat McGrady noted that the late Dr. Florence Seibert, one of the researchers in pleomorphic organisms, observed that "organisms
frequently found in cancer and leukemia patients suspected as a cause for cancer (the sort that Royal Rife and Dr. Gruner of Montreal
saw) stopped growing when exposed to 25% DMSO... Dr. Robert Schrek and associates of the Veterans Hospital in Hines, Illinois, found
that two per cent DMSO, which had no effect on normal cells after two days, killed 90% of the leukemic cells in a single day... Noted
virologist Dr. Charlotte Friend of New York's Mount Sinai School of Medicine transformed leukemic cells back to normal, hemoglobin
manufacturing cells with a very weak concentration of (2%) DMSO added to the medium in which cells were growing... In April 1973, Drs.
Etienne and Jennie Lasfargues of the Institute of Medical Research in Camden, NJ, reported that while DMSO increased the number of
virus-infected mouse breast cancer cells sixfold for awhile, by the end of three months, DMS0 had completely rid the cultures of infected
cancer cells".
McGrady also noted that "Dr. Leo Stjernvall, a University of Helsinki pathologist, and his associate Dr. K. Setala... reported that cancer
cells.., build a protective 'cytoplasmic barrier' which prevents the poisons of (various cancer drugs) from seeping inside the cells and killing
them or arresting their growth. Stjernvall dissolved the anti-cancer drug vinblastine sulfate in DMSO and dabbed it on cancer that he had
induced with chemicals applied to a mouse's skin. The fibrous cytoplasmic barriers melted away and other structures changed so that the
cancer cells took on the appearance of benignly overgrown but otherwise normal cells. Other common anti-cancer drugs became equally
effective when dissolved in DMSO. The experiments showed that DMSO transported-drugs can alter the malignant cell toward normal."
The fibrous barrier referred to by Dr. Stjernvall is the fibrin cover described in the Hoxsey chapter. Whatever will dissolve that cover opens
up a cancer tumor to attack by the body's immune system - if it is healthy - or by cancer cell killing (cytotoxic) drugs so much in current
use.
How did the National Cancer Institute's "War on Cancer" overlook the extensive research on DMSO and cancer?
Heart attack, cancer and stroke - the three greatest killers in the U.S. - and DMSO has relevance to them all, but how many people know
this?
The FDA, at least, knew about Dr. Tucker. Invited to New York in 1978 by doctors wanting to learn about his cancer treatment, he asked
Joe Floyd to go along. While planning the trip, Tucker received a call from Dr. K. C. Pani, the FDA official in charge of DMSO since 1968.
Pani had heard of Tucker's work and invited him to stop in Washington en route to New York. Tucker visited Pani, showing him various
patient records, X-rays, and slides. Dr. Morton Walker tells the story, "When they came to Floyd's record, Dr. Pani asked 'How long did
this one last?' Tucker replied 'He's sitting down in the lobby'. Pani said 'I want to meet this dead man'. They sought out Mr. Floyd, who
told his story. Then the FDA official, visibly impressed, said he would be in touch with Tucker soon. He also mentioned that he was in
contact with Dr. Stanley Jacob of Oregon and that he was monitoring the use of DM50."
About one week later, the FDA approved the use of DMSO in the treatment of interstitial cystitis. This 1978 action was the first time FDA
had approved DMSO as a prescription drug for any human ailment. Considering that it had been 13 years since the crackdown, it was a
major breakthrough, and it certainly seemed that Dr. Tucker had had something to do with precipitating it.
Unbelievably, as we enter the 21St century all these years later, it is still the only FDA approved human use for DMSO. It is also approved
for the preservation of frozen human tissues, the first use to which Stanley Jacob put DMSO. Ironic to think that surgeons soak in DMSO
tissues such as the bone marrow which they will later place in human bodies. This chemical is famous for its penetrating abilities, so such
transplants are obviously drenched in DMSO. It's considered safe enough to be approved for that, but not for general medical use, for
doctors to use in any of the hundreds of ways where DMSO can be effective.
What does the FDA think it is saving us from?
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The FDA used the bogus issue of eye damage for several decades to hold back DMSO. Dr. Walker points out that "adverse eye findings
have been reported with all the arthritis drugs, such as Anaprox, Naprosyn, and Motrin (as per their package inserts) yet no one has
suggested that these minimally effective drugs be taken off the market."
As far as eyes are concerned, the evidence on DMSO is quite to the contrary. When several patients treated with DMSO for muscular
problems reported to Dr. Jacob that their vision had improved, he sent them to Dr. Robert O. Hill, ophthalmologist at the University of
Oregon Medical School. Confirming the favorable changes, Dr. Hill began his own experiments with DMSO (after it was known that the
lens changes did not happen in humans). His research showed drops of 50% DMSO to be effective in retinitis pigmentosa and macular
degeneration, and presented a report on this at the New York Academy of Sciences symposium in 1971.
In the 1970's, my late mother developed macular degeneration. Having read Dr. Hill's study, I called him. In addition to what he had
written, he added that one should use cold compresses after using the drops. I relayed this to my mother and when she was at home
one summer, her housekeeper put two drops of 50% DMSO in each eye twice a day. When my mother was getting ready to return to
Florida for the winter, she said, "Those DMSO drops worked. When I came home in June, lying in bed I could not see the individual slats
on the venetian blinds in my bedroom and now I can".
Deise, a friend from Brazil (where DMSO is legal), told me that a New York eye doctor had told her she was developing macular
degeneration, so I told her the above story. A year later, she informed me that the same doctor had told her that her signs of macular
degeneration had disappeared. The previous year, she had persistently put DMSO drops in her eyes several times a day.
Telling another friend with macular degeneration of Deise's experience, she looked for DMSO at a health food store and then balked. The
bottle of DMSO, she pointed out, was clearly labeled "Do not get into the eyes. Do not touch the skin. If gets on skin, call a physician".
The label also read "This is sold only as a solvent". Calling the 800 number on the label, I learned that the product was pure DMSO, not
industrial grade. With that sort of warning on the label, how could anyone guess that the liquid in that bottle is used on the skin of many
athletic teams when there are muscular injuries. Such is the result of FDA's policy of censoring truthful health claims, preventing
Americans from learning what this and other products can do for them.
In 1978, Dr. Arthur Scherbel, then chief of Rheumatology at the Cleveland Clinic, carried out a study of the use of DMSO intravenously in
scleroderma, a particularly miserable disease affecting around 150,000 Americans. Parts of the body increasingly calcify and become rigid,
an eventually fatal condition for which there was then and still is no cure. Dr. Scherbel found clear evidence of DMSO's efficacy in
scleroderma and submitted his trial with a New Drug Application (NDA) to the FDA, which turned him down. DMSO is approved for use in
scleroderma in Canada.
Something else happened in 1978 that opened windows in the overregulated U.S. medical system. The chemical EDTA has long been on
the "GRAS" list (Generally Regarded As Safe) and is FDA approved for use intravenously for the removal of lead, in cases of lead
poisoning. Reasoning that if EDTA could remove lead it might also remove calcium, certain medical pioneers tried EDTA to deal with
calcified arteries, and saw patients' circulation improve. The late Dr. Ray Evers was one of the foremost of those pioneers. Soon the FDA
came down on him for his "unapproved" use of EDTA. Instead of caving in, Dr. Evers sued the FDA in Federal Court, asking for an
injunction to stop the agency from interfering in his practice of medicine. This was not their business, he declared, but rather making sure
that drugs are safe. Since FDA had long since declared that EDTA was safe for use in humans, he told the court that as a licensed
physician it was his right to use a safe drug in whatever way he found to be useful. The FDA's interpretation of current law was then and
still is that it requires them to control every usage of every drug. To their chagrin, the Court agreed with Dr. Evers, stating, "Congress did
not empower the FDA to interfere with medical practice by limiting the ability of physicians to prescribe according to their best judgment".
The FDA appealed, and he won again. The FDA did not appeal a second time, letting the ruling stand.
The Evers Ruling thus makes it legal for a doctor to use an FDA approved drug in any way he/she thinks fit. Combined with the FDA's
1978 approval for use in interstitial cystitis, this meant that since DMSO had been approved for one human use, doctors could now use it
for other human uses, and many did.
In 1979, just to make sure the FDA didn't interfere, the Oregon legislature passed a bill protecting Dr. Jacob's right to use DMSO within
the state.
In September 1979, the FDA published a regulation abolishing its 1965 regulation which had banned general research in DMSO, but its
posture was still suspicious. The unbending bureaucracy was beginning to bend a bit, but it was a little late. FDA had said no so many
times that drug companies were beginning to believe they meant it and medical studies began to slow down. It was taking the patience of
Job to persist with DMSO against such opposition, a repeat of the pattern with Dr. Ivy. The FDA had put out so much static that the
scientific community began to back off.
Still, the Evers Ruling had opened things up considerably, and certain bold doctors proceeded to use DMSO intravenously, often seeing
dramatic results. One of those pioneers was Dr. William Campbell Douglass, a person used to making his own decisions. Mrs. Ruth Lewis
of Sarasota, Florida, told Dr. Morton Walker of her experiences with Dr. Douglass. Rheumatoid arthritis caused her so much pain she
could not walk without a cane. After a back injury, she was told she had to remain in bed for six months. Realizing that if she did so she
might never walk again, even with canes, she decided to try something else. Her son and husband literally carried her into Dr. Douglass'
office, then in Marietta, Georgia, "unable to put both feet on the ground", she told Dr. Walker. "After 2 1/2 weeks of DMSO treatment, I
walked out of that office without any help whatsoever or a cane. I had been unable to close my right hand completely for over a year. It
kept me awake at night with pain. But after the I.V., topical, and oral treatments, I can now close my hand tightly. The arthritis has not
returned."
In DMSO, Nature's Healer, Dr. Walker explains DMSO's action in arthritis, "DM50 is a scavenger of hydroxy radicals, and this chemical ION
is dominant in arthritis. Hydroxy radicals are responsible for breaking down the synovial fluid and the cartilage of the joints. [DMSO is] one
of the few known substances responsible for detoxifying this radical... Neutralizing this highly toxic free radical causes the reduction of
inflammation and the diminishing of pain in arthritis. It is probably the primary mechanism that allows DMSO to work effectively against
arthritis".
Dr. Douglass told Dr. Walker of another startling case. Penelope Pappas of Sarasota, Florida, then six years old, put her index finger into a
live light socket. Before she could withdrew it, it was "cooked through and burned ash white at the tip". Within 30 minutes, Dr. Douglass
was able to have the finger soaking in full-strength DMSO as the child screamed with pain. By the end of 20 minutes immersion in the
liquid, the child had stopped crying because she felt no more discomfort. She slept undisturbed all night and the next day showed a pink
and healing index finger. At the time... it was felt that she would probably lose the tip of her finger from gangrene. The finger healed
completely.
In 1980, Mike Wallace featured DMSO on two programs, first on March 23. and then on July 6. Dr. Richard Crout of the FDA appeared on
the March show, insisting that there could be no FDA approval of DMSO without double-blind studies. He knew as well as anybody that
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this is virtually impossible with DMSO because of its smell; anyo
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On March 23 and July 6, 1980, Mike Wallace had two 60 Minutes programs on DMSO.
I've found the 60 Minutes video on DMSO:
Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0i7jARfKeI)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icfh4x2vxbA&feature=related)
Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvHNN2XbkqU&feature=related)
I love how Sandy sparks up a More's cig in part 3 ;)
I found this here:
_http://www.healthsalon.org/319/dmso-and-cancer/
This site also promotes MMS, as I discovered when I was told in a scathing email that my comment
linking to SOTT articles on MMS and Humble would be deleted and that I should never post there
again!
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The following is an excerpt from Dr Morton Walker's book, DMSO: Natures Healer (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b
/102-9189262-7293723?initialSearch=1&url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Dr+Morton+Walker+DMSO&Go.x=0&
Go.y=0&Go=Go)
Background
DMSO - dimethyl sulfoxide - is a simple by-product of the wood industry and is a solvent that can be produced in industrial or
pharmaceutical grade. DMSO has variously been called a miracle compound capable of relieving pain, diminishing swelling, reducing
inflammation, encouraging healing and restoring normal cell function. One of the most well known and exotic properties of this solvent is
its ability to penetrate living tissue and transport other medicines in their integral state deep into the body. For this reason, DMSO has
been used by many in the treatment of burns and sprains, sports injuries, paralysis, arthritis, scleroderma and many of the degenerative
diseases.
American doctor, Stanley W Jacob has worked with DMSO for many years and is considered one of the foremost authorities on the
substance in the world. He states the following with regard to the therapeutic potential of DMSO: Weve barely scratched the surface [of
DMSOs capabilities], for this is a new principle in medicine. Weve only had three new principles in our century - the antibiotic principle, the
cortisone principle, and now the DMSO principle - and the DMSO principle is the only one of our generation. Despite all the controversy,
my guess is that history will record it this way.
When US Governor George Wallace travelled across the country to find pain relief from DMSO administered by Dr Jacob, the reputation of
this painkilling solvent got a tremendous boost2. Wallace had been confined to a wheelchair since he was wounded in a 1972
assassination attempt while campaigning for the Democratic nomination for President at Laurel, Maryland. Wallaces discomforture was
located in his flank, a condition which reportedly disappeared by faithfully dabbing DMSO over the affected area.
DMSO Goes Public
On 23rd March 1980 and again on 6th July of that year, the popular television program 60 Minutes reported on DMSO. In a presentation
entitled The Riddle of DMSO, presenter Mike Wallace covered the anecdotal patient history of the solvent and interviewed its main critics
at the FDA. As a result of the broadcast, which reached the homes of 70 million viewers, the switchboards at Dr Jacobs office and others
associated with the program were immediately swamped with up to 10,000 people figuratively crying, Save me! Save me from my
pain! Pain victims sought out other physicians around the United States who were known to prescribe DMSO. They arrived in droves.
Telephones in the offices of doctors and pharmacies in Florida, Oregon, Louisiana and Nevada rang busily for several days following the
Sunday evening broadcast of 60 Minutes. A subsequent wire service report about the FDAs refusal to approve DMSO appeared around
the country in Tuesdays newspapers. In his program footnote, presenter Mike Wallace stated, Tomorrow morning in Washington, the
House Committee on Ageing begins an inquiry into why DMSO is not available to all Americans for any appropriate ailment, including plain
and simple pain. The numbers of letters and telephone calls that came into congressional offices enquiring about the cause of DMSO
unavailability were massive. A sampling of the letters sent to just one congressman, Claude Pepper of Florida, are found in chapter 4 of
my book.
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DMSO - Bane of the Establishment
Dimethyl sulfoxide has had a battered thirty-year history completely out of proportion to its true track record. Officially, DMSO has never
been approved for widespread medicinal use because medical authorities declare that the quality of medical trials and research on the
substance has not been up to statutory requirements. Dr J Richard Crout, the chief FDA opponent to DMSO, reported that double-blind
tests3 were mandatory before approval would be forthcoming from his agency. Yet researchers cannot conduct double-blind tests on
DMSO because of the distinctive odour produced by the product after application. Within a few minutes of putting it on your skin, you can
taste it on your tongue; it penetrates the skin and runs through the bloodstream so effectively. The alternative reason for not approving
dimethyl sulfoxide, according to some DMSO proponents, could also be a simple question of economics: DMSO, painkiller extraordinary, is
a common by-product of the wood industry and cannot be patented to great profit by the pharmaceutical industry. Ironically, even drug
companies have had their DMSO INDs turned down4.
The Medical Community Divided
Because of the general public outcry about its ban in the United States, and of course because of Mike Wallace and his 60 Minutes, DMSO
has become a household word and medical-political cause clbre. Those doctors among us who have been using the drug for twenty-six
to twenty-eight years never dreamed that it would become a focal point in the continuing battle between individual freedom and the
power of government. My colleagues and I have been criticized, ridiculed and even persecuted in some medical circles for promoting and
using DMSO. But I, and others like me, have come to the conclusion, having observed establishment thinking for forty years, that the only
way a truly revolutionary treatment principle can be brought to the patient is by appealing to the general population through the
information media. It is for this reason that I wrote the book, DMSO - Natures Healer.
In spite of the rumours, DMSO has not been found unsafe for humans. Any side effects are merely minor irritations. DMSO stops bacterial
growth. It relieves pain. As a vasodilator, the drug enlarges small blood vessels, increasing the circulation to an area. It softens scar tissue
and soothes burns. DMSOs anti-inflammatory activity relieves the swelling and inflammation of arthritis, bursitis, tendinitis, and other
musculoskeletal injuries. DMSO has been found to benefit human body cells, tissues and organs in ways not yet properly understood by
medical science. For this reason, I believe DMSO is the 21st centurys newest healing principle with a very wide range of usefulness. It
represents an entirely different way of treating diseases.
DMSO and Cancer
Cancer seems to respond well to DMSO. At Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City, Charlotte Friend MD has turned cancerous cells into
harmless, normal ones in the test tube by putting them in touch with the DMSO solutions. DMSO is routinely used by alternative cancer
clinics in Mexico to transport laetrile intravenously into the body. Because of extremely promising clinical results, research is still ongoing
on a privately funded basis into DMSOs potential role in the breaking up of tumours and the killing of metastatic cancer cells in its own
right. Yet the United States Food & Drug Administration and the UK Medicines Control Agency continue to forbid the advertising and
retailing of DMSO for any medicinal purposes save one: for the treatment of the rare urinary bladder condition, interstitial cystitis.
As reported in the Journal of Clinical Oncology in November 1988, twenty cancer patients with extravasation of anthracycline (destructive
secretions from tissues of the toxic chemotherapeutic agent anthracycline onto the recipients skin with the potential to form cancerous
ulcers) were treated on a single-arm pilot study with topically-applied 99% DMSO and observed for three months with regular
examinations and photographs. DMSO was topically applied to approximately twice the surface area affected by the extravasation and
allowed to air dry. This was repeated every six hours for fourteen days. In no patient did extravasation progress to cancerous ulceration
or require surgical intervention, as is usual with this toxic chemotherapeutic agent for cancer. The authors of this report suggest that
ulceration was statistically likely to have occurred in at least 17% of these patients. The only side effects reported from DMSO usage
included a burning feeling on applications, subsequently associated with itch, redness, and mild scaling. Six patients reported a
characteristic breath odour associated with oysters. The oncologists stated that topical DMSO appears to be a safe and effective
treatment for the cancer-related condition, anthracycline extravasation5.
Numerous drugs dissolved in DMSO retain their therapeutic activity and their specific properties over a long period of time. DMSO not only
maintains but strengthens and multiplies the action of the drugs dissolved in it, thus permitting the administration of lower doses than
normally required to obtain a satisfactory response. In organ banks around the world, organs and tissues are stored and preserved in
DMSO so that they are available for transplanting and grafting. Tissues such as red blood corpuscles for transfusions and semen for
artificial insemination are preserved in this manner.
As a penetrating carrier of drugs, DMSO is unsurpassed. It easily carries necessary pharmaceuticals to any part of the body for
therapeutic effect. It passes through cellular membranes and tissues. It is for this reason, among many others, that DMSO is properly
described less as a drug by those intimate with it, more as a new and little understood therapeutic principle. As Dr Jacobs reported to an
assembly of the American College of Advancement in Medicine, DMSO is more effective when used in conjunction with other medications
which it can deliver throughout the body with spectacular ease. This can occur even when DMSO is applied topically, and the other
medication ingested orally or intravenously.
For instance, DMSO will carry hydrocortisone or hexachlorophene into the deepest layers of the skin, producing a reservoir that remains
for sixteen days and resists depletion by washing the skin with soap, water or alcohol. DMSO mixed with hydrogen peroxide 9% solution
has proven highly effective in the treatment of oral and genital herpes when applied topically to the affected areas. Periodic outbreaks of
the virus have been known in many cases to cease altogether with regular application.
An interesting observation is that the application of DMSO to one affected joint or area often leads to pain relief in some other location.
DMSO has systemic effects. It is a depressant to the central nervous system and, of course, it reaches all areas of the body when
absorbed through the skin and into the bloodstream.
Perhaps the effect DMSO has had on the lives of countless thousands may be summed up by the case of Ruth Lewis of Sarasota, Florida.
Ruth, aged sixty-four, was in so much pain from rheumatoid arthritis that she couldnt walk without the aid of a four-legged walking
device. Pain had been her constant companion for over twenty years. When she recently sustained a back injury, she was told by her
physicians to have at least six months total bed rest.
Realising that this could spell the end of her walking days for ever, the determined Ruth had her son and husband physically carry her into
the Douglass preventative medicine clinic in Marietta, Georgia to undergo a course of treatment with DMSO.
I had previously experienced many months of severe pain in my hips and legs, visiting specialists, diagnostic clinics, hospitalisation in
traction and other procedures, said Ruth. When I entered the doctors office for DMSO treatment, I was unable to put both feet on the
ground. After two-and-a-half weeks of intravenous DMSO treatment, I walked out of that office without any help whatsoever - no cane -
no support at all.
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I had not been able to close my right hand completely for over a year. It even kept me awake at night with severe pain. But after the IV,
topical and oral DMSO treatment, I can now close my hand tightly. The arthritis has not returned.
I cannot put into words what this drug has done for me. I highly recommend it. I saw many people come and go during my stay; all
walked out well.
Post by: LQB on August 17, 2010, 08:21:09 PM
Quote from: Psyche on August 17, 2010, 12:19:31 PM
I don't think we have shared this one here just yet.
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http://healthnews.benabraham.com/html/fountain_of_youth_-_nature_s_h.html
Chapter-6
DMSO - The Persecuted Drug
Dr. Stanley Jacob

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Dr. Jacob and Herschler devised numerous experiments, one showing that mice which had sustained burns were more comfortable
after being daubed with DMSO. Herschler soon profited from this knowledge. After an accidental chemical burn on his hands, arms, and
forehead, he called Jacob. "Apply DMSO on one side and see what happens", Jacob told him. Herschler called him back in 15 minutes,
"The pain stopped. Now I'm going to do the other side". A few weeks later, one of Herschler's assistants sprained an ankle. In 15
minutes after DMSO was applied, the pain was gone and in 30 minutes the swelling as well. ...
Great read Psyche - Thanks. My Brother just sprained his ankle badly in a fall from a collapsed step
ladder. He just took a dose orally and is painting some on the ankle where swelling and bruising are
appearing. He is reading your post as I write. Very good timing - Thanks again.
Hi guys
I have a question regarding the DMSO and mixing it with distilled water(+salt)
I have a On tap from brita and it cleanses the water from all of kinds of stuff like metals, tastes etc.
(http://www.brita.net/uploads/pics/tea0117_02_kartusche_03.jpg)
and here is my question, I can't get a pure saline solution from my pharmacy, because they don't
have it, they have it as a nasal solution for those with stuffed noses, and it has also more ingredients
then only salt.
so I want to make my own saline solution like this:
A cup of water from the ontap , boil the water afterwards, let it cool down, add salt to it and then mix
it with the amount of DMSO that I need.
Is this O.K? :/
Post by: Lilou on August 18, 2010, 09:05:18 PM
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need.
I've never tried to make sterile saline solution - but you would want to use distilled water - not
filtered tap water. And then, you'd have to consider if the salt (sodium chloride) is pure/lab grade.
You would need 9 grams of salt per liter of water for a 0.9% solution.
I would think your local pharmacy would order it for you, if it weren't stocked. Another thought is
buying it from your local hospital or just buy it online?
For use with DMSO, sterile is a key point, as any impurities in the saline will quickly be absorbed into
the body.

You only use the saline solution if you are making a 25% solution for eyes and ears. For drinking,
use distilled water.
Quote from: Lilou on August 18, 2010, 09:05:18 PM
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A cup of water from the ontap , boil the water afterwards, let it cool down, add salt to it and then mix it with the amount of DMSO that
I need.
I've never tried to make sterile saline solution - but you would want to use distilled water - not filtered tap water. And then, you'd have
to consider if the salt (sodium chloride) is pure/lab grade. You would need 9 grams of salt per liter of water for a 0.9% solution.
I would think your local pharmacy would order it for you, if it weren't stocked. Another thought is buying it from your local hospital or
just buy it online?
For use with DMSO, sterile is a key point, as any impurities in the saline will quickly be absorbed into the body.

Quote
You only use the saline solution if you are making a 25% solution for eyes and ears. For drinking, use distilled water.
Thanks, I guess I will have to find it online and my pharmacy just doesn't have it, they sell the 0,9%
solution only as a nasal spray.
Post by: Oxajil on August 18, 2010, 09:26:03 PM
Thanks, I guess I will have to find it online and my pharmacy just doesn't have it, they sell the 0,9% solution only as a nasal spray.
Hmm here's a saline solution from Ebay: _http://cgi.ebay.com/Sodium-Chloride-Normal-Saline-
Aqueous-solution-10-ml_W0QQitemZ200502482529QQihZ010QQcategoryZ11776QQcmdZViewItem
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Quote from: Oxajil on August 18, 2010, 09:26:03 PM
Hmm here's a saline solution from Ebay: _http://cgi.ebay.com/Sodium-Chloride-Normal-Saline-Aqueous-solution-
10-ml_W0QQitemZ200502482529QQihZ010QQcategoryZ11776QQcmdZViewItem
I don't trust ebay, have to find it somewhere else.
EDIT: it has to be in glass bottles and not in plastic bottles.
If the nasal spray is simply 0.9% sterile saline, I don't see why you couldn't just use that. I mean,
saline is saline, regardless if it's being sold as a nasal spray or an eye wash. And to use with 25%
DMSO as an eye drop, you really don't need a very large quantity.

Quote from: Lilou on August 18, 2010, 10:59:13 PM
If the nasal spray is simply 0.9% sterile saline, I don't see why you couldn't just use that. I mean, saline is saline, regardless if it's being
sold as a nasal spray or an eye wash. And to use with 25% DMSO as an eye drop, you really don't need a very large quantity.

This is what it says on the back of this saline nasal spray.
Ingredients:
1 ml has 7,4mg of sodium chloride
Other ingredients:
Benzalkonium chloride
(0,1 mg/ml), Disodium
(0,5mg/ml), Disodium phosphate, sodium, cremophor RH40, water.
I will be asking tomorrow at another pharmacy...because I am kind of baffled that this isn't sold
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Post by: Kniall on August 19, 2010, 12:20:34 AM
Quote from: Laura on August 18, 2010, 09:06:00 PM
You only use the saline solution if you are making a 25% solution for eyes and ears. For drinking, use distilled water.
I've been drinking DMSO with filtered tap water (which is neither distilled nor filtered to a high
degree). I wonder if I am running the risk of forcing impurities deeper into my body by taking DMSO
with anything less than distilled water?
I recently learned that chlorine dioxide is added to my city's water supply, which the filtered water
that I'm currently using does not remove.
Post by: Data on August 19, 2010, 12:38:55 AM
Quote from: Kniall on August 19, 2010, 12:20:34 AM
I recently learned that chlorine dioxide is added to my city's water supply, which the filtered water that I'm currently using does not
remove.
They're mixing Mineral Miracle Solution into the tap water? I would say that even the tiniest amount
of this is too much, since it can accumulate in the body. Why not buy a decent water distiller?
Post by: lord jim on August 19, 2010, 02:11:30 AM
dmso is something that we were looking at over at this small biotech a couple of years ago to prevent
inflammation. the thinking went that it interrupted the migration of white blood cells (neutrophils)
thus preventing the normal cytokine cascade which is put in motion as those cells arrive on the
scene. this was something i noted in some cell based assays.
now, is this why it may have these medicinal effects? perhaps...but it probably does a whole lot more
that we don't know.
it's also used regularly as a solvent to freeze cell lines. we use about 10% with the rest consisting of
cell media. dmso prevents ice crystals from forming during the freezing process, which kill the cell by
puncturing their cell membrane.
dmso is also used as a vehicle for delivering drugs or experimental compounds to cells...so it's safe
enough at low doses, i suppose.
it's funny, i've used the stuff for so long with gloves on that i assumed it was toxic. i can't imagine
swallowing it...but if it's good for you, bottoms up!
Post by: starmie on August 19, 2010, 05:11:59 AM
That's remarkable, I'm getting some for all my family :) . I'm also starting to use bicarbonate soda
every day as a digestive and cancer prevention! Have you tried??
EDU
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Post by: Nienna on August 20, 2010, 12:45:32 AM
Quote from: EGVG on August 19, 2010, 05:11:59 AM
add about 2 teaspoons of distilled water, and then take it in my mouth and swish it around for about 2 or 3 minutes and then swallow
it. So I guess it is about 50% solution. It's REALLY working on my mouth. That inflamed area of my jaw has calmed down about
70% in just a couple of days. Or more, actually. I expect it to be completely soothed by tomorrow after tonight's dose of DMSO.
That's remarkable, I'm getting some for all my family :) . I'm also starting to use bicarbonate soda every day as a digestive and cancer
prevention! Have you tried??
EDU
If you follow the thread, you will see that they experimented at Sott HQ:
Quote from: Laura
Psyche has done some research on the topic, and we've done a little experimenting, and we have the idea that, considering the time that
DMSO stays in the system, what it does, etc, unless you have had a stroke and heart attack and need it to ream out your blood vessels
and stuff, the best dose amount and schedule is one teaspoonful in a glass of distilled water once a week.
It seems to be a very strong detoxifying agent and to take too much can really make you feel the
effects of dumping a load of toxins all at once. So this is the preferred dosage.
Post by: starmie on August 20, 2010, 04:28:19 AM
Oh wow, I didn't knew this was a long thread I don't know what happend :-[
EDU
Alright so I got my saline solution, I went back to the pharmacy cause other people told me that they
MUST have it, even though the woman there told me they didnt.
So I went back to the pharmacy and this time it was a guy, that other woman wasn't there, and when
I asked him about saline solution, he instantly knew what I meant and gave me the saline solution
without anything added or what just the saline solution.
awesome :headbanger:
Today I will start using the DMSO in my eye and follow all the recommendations that were givin to
me, I will report back in a month about the process.
So I went back to the pharmacy and this time it was a guy, that other woman wasn't there, and when I asked him about saline solution,
he instantly knew what I meant and gave me the saline solution without anything added or what just the saline solution.
men... :P
--
So for making a 25% DMSO solution you need to use this ratio right? :
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1 (DMSO) :4 (Saline solution)
for example 1 teaspoon DMSO added to 4 teaspoons of saline solution?
Oh, got it:
Quote from: Psyche
25g of DMSO in 100ml water would be 25% concentration DMSO.
25% pure DMSO in 75% saline solution, 2 drops a day for a month.
Post by: Gandalf on August 23, 2010, 04:39:15 PM
Not exactly. A 25% DMSO solution means 1 part of DMSO on a total number of 4 parts for all the
liquid. In other terms 1 part of DMSO for 3 parts of water.
Quote from: Gandalf on August 23, 2010, 04:39:15 PM
Not exactly. A 25% DMSO solution means 1 part of DMSO on a total number of 4 parts for all the liquid. In other terms 1 part of DMSO
for 3 parts of water.
Hm, I calculated (with the density of DMSO) that 25g of DMSO is 22.7 ml DMSO, so I could put 22.7
ml in 100 ml of saline solution.
Not sure if that is the way to go?
Can you give an example on how you would do the following to create a 25% solution with 75%
saline solution:
- You have 16fl. oz. of DMSO
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- 1 empty eye drop bottle
- saline solution.
Hm, I calculated (with the density of DMSO) that 25g of DMSO is 22.7 ml DMSO, so I could put 22.7 ml in 100 ml of saline solution.
Not sure if that is the way to go?
If you do so, you will not have a 25% DMSO solution. I think that it is not necessary to work with the
density but just with the qunatity.
In a 100 % solution, you have (if we work in quarter) 4 parts of the same solution DMSO.
In a 75% solution you have 3 parts of DMSO for 1 part of water.
In a 50% solution you have 2 parts of DMSO for 2 part of water.
And in a 25% solution you have 1 part of DMSO for 3 part of water.
Can you give an example on how you would do the following to create a 25% solution with 75% saline solution:
- saline solution.
I would put 1 teaspoon of DMSO for 3 teaspoons of the saline solution. Then you will have your 25%
solution of DMSO in a saline solution.
I would put 1 teaspoon of DMSO for 3 teaspoons of the saline solution. Then you will have your 25% solution of DMSO in a saline
solution.
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I see, thanks!!
Not exactly. A 25% DMSO solution means 1 part of DMSO on a total number of 4 parts for all the liquid. In other terms 1 part of
DMSO for 3 parts of water.
Can you give an example on how you would do the following to create a 25% solution with 75% saline solution:
- saline solution.
I would put 1 teaspoon of DMSO for 3 teaspoons of the saline solution. Then you will have your 25% solution of DMSO in a saline
solution.
Thanks a lot! :thup:
Post by: 3D Student on September 12, 2010, 06:00:13 AM
Has anyone noticed that when taking DMSO orally the whites of your eyes get whiter. It's like it
constricts the blood vessels or something. Last weekend when I took it, every time I went to the
bathroom, I was like, "Hmm, my eyes are whiter."
On another note, I don't think I will be able to take it orally any more. When I went grocery shopping
the clerk was smelling my veggies thinking they were rotten :-[. I didn't say anything when he
mentioned a rotten smell and was a little embarrassed. I could just take it after doing grocery runs,
but my mom said that I smell very bad.
But I'm thinking I can still use it for topical use, which I haven't tried doing. I want to try putting it on
my ears for tinnitus relief and on my dry hands.
Post by: Galaxia2002 on September 13, 2010, 06:32:10 PM
A warning, I placed the DMSO in a container of amber-colored acrylic plastic and it began to lose color
and DMSO was getting a brown color, this kind of plastic is not compatible. . However as precaution is
better placed in glass. In a white plastic would be difficult to tell if the DMSO is taking some of the
plastic additive!
Post by: dant on September 13, 2010, 07:08:50 PM
Quote from: 3D Student on September 12, 2010, 06:00:13 AM
Has anyone noticed that when taking DMSO orally the whites of your eyes get whiter. It's like it constricts the blood vessels or
something. Last weekend when I took it, every time I went to the bathroom, I was like, "Hmm, my eyes are whiter."
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[...]
Eyes getting whiter? Goa'uld?
(Sorry, I couldn't resist... mirth!)
Post by: SAO on October 15, 2010, 07:37:33 PM
My brother put some DMSO gel (70% dmso, 30% aloe vera) on his shoulders and lower part of neck
because he had muscle pain/soreness in that area, and it caused skin redness/irritation for a few
hours, although it did diminish the muscle soreness as well. We're testing to see what it might be now
- he's going to try putting some on legs/arms which should be less sensitive to see if anything
happens then. If it doesn't I'll assume it was because the neck is more sensitive, and I know the
recommendation is 50% dmso solution for neck/face but he didn't have any pure dmso so he just used
the gel he bought. If the irritation happens on arms/legs, we'll try pure dmso in solution with distilled
water to see if it's the aloe vera that caused the irritation. I know someone reported earlier in this
thread that mixing dmso with oils can cause a similar burning irritation, so perhaps mixing it with aloe
vera could have a similar effect (although this is how it was sold). Anyway, just wanted to report that
experience, and if anyone has any ideas, they're most welcome.
Also, my grandma has rheumatoid arthritis that made her legs swell up and hurt continuously, and I
had her apply the same DMSO gel, and after about 2-3 days of applying it once a day, the swelling
was 90% gone, and I think within 4-5 days it was 100% gone, and she said the pain diminished as
well. She was so happy and surprised by the results that she's now on the ultra simple diet for a few
weeks now and feels amazing and lost tons of weight! She doesn't just lay on the couch anymore in
pain and with no energy - she's a whole new person, walking around and being active and enjoying
life! And she actually takes me seriously when I say that I know things that can really help her. Until
trying the DMSO, she only took her doctor seriously, and since the doctor was no use, she didn't think
it's possible I'd be able to help her either because I'm no doctor - but not anymore! This also had a
very powerful effect on the rest of my family, who are all about to go on this diet as well, and are
actually starting to take my suggestions seriously too, so proof positive goes a long way. So we have a
positive result here and a weird result with my brother. On the bright side with him, he's been on the
ultra simple diet for a few months now, and I'm proud! :) The next step for both of us is heavy metal
detox, but we have a few more months of more basic dieting first before that happens.
Finally, I was in a small car accident recently where I was rear-ended and my girlfriend got whiplash
as a result, so I've ordered some pure liquid dmso and medical tape, and will apply both and report
the results. I'll have her take a teaspoon in a glass of distilled water once a week, and also mix 50%
dmso and 50% water and apply that to her neck/shoulders/back where the pain is, and then wash
those areas after about 30/60 mins and then apply the medical tape for as long as it sticks, and then
rinse and repeat, etc. And of course, I'll report on the results.
Post by: 1984 on October 15, 2010, 08:10:33 PM
Hi SAO - in addition to the wealth of knowledge here on the forum re: DMSO, do you have the book
"DMSO - Nature's Healer" by Dr Morton Walker"? It is a great book that covers many uses for DMSO.
Quote from: 1984 on October 15, 2010, 08:10:33 PM
Hi SAO - in addition to the wealth of knowledge here on the forum re: DMSO, do you have the book "DMSO - Nature's Healer" by Dr
Morton Walker"? It is a great book that covers many uses for DMSO.
I don't, I'll get it asap :) Together with the medical tape book Laura mentioned in the frozen shoulder
thread.
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Post by: Laura on October 15, 2010, 10:32:14 PM
Quote from: SAO on October 15, 2010, 07:37:33 PM
Finally, I was in a small car accident recently where I was rear-ended and my girlfriend got whiplash as a result, so I've ordered some pure
liquid dmso and medical tape, and will apply both and report the results. I'll have her take a teaspoon in a glass of distilled water once a
week, and also mix 50% dmso and 50% water and apply that to her neck/shoulders/back where the pain is, and then wash those areas
after about 30/60 mins and then apply the medical tape for as long as it sticks, and then rinse and repeat, etc. And of course, I'll report
on the results.
If you are just dealing with pain or an injury, topical application is the way to go. Don't drink it.
Drinking it is for serious detoxing and other internal necessities.
The 70% solution (gel) is for lower body only. 50% or lower for upper body. Though, I DID put the
pure 99% on my jaw mixed with an antibiotic when I was having dental problems. In a small area,
you can tolerate the irritation to the skin for a short while.
I mix it with pure emu oil for neck and shoulder pain. You want to be REAL careful what you mix it
with, though! Pure aloe vera gel or distilled water is about the only things I think I would use for
dilution. If you dilute it with some pure water, you can put it on a piece of sterile cotton gauze over
the affected area.
As for your grandma, good for her! That's the kind of thing I like to hear!
I'll say it again: no home should be without this stuff and some kinesiology tape at all times!
Post by: Kniall on October 15, 2010, 10:56:06 PM
Quote from: Laura
The 70% solution (gel) is for lower body only. 50% or lower for upper body. Though, I DID put the pure 99% on my jaw mixed with an
antibiotic when I was having dental problems. In a small area, you can tolerate the irritation to the skin for a short while.
I applied the pure solution to a sprained ankle last week and was walking normally again within hours.
Everyone around me thought I had made up the story about twisting my ankle :)
Hmph, maybe I should've done a jig and shrieked "Hallelujah, it's a miracle!"
Quote from: Laura on October 15, 2010, 10:32:14 PM
If you are just dealing with pain or an injury, topical application is the way to go. Don't drink it. Drinking it is for serious detoxing and
other internal necessities.
Got it. We'll wait till we're ready to detox before drinking.
Quote from: Laura
I mix it with pure emu oil for neck and shoulder pain. You want to be REAL careful what you mix it with, though! Pure aloe vera gel or
distilled water is about the only things I think I would use for dilution. If you dilute it with some pure water, you can put it on a piece of
sterile cotton gauze over the affected area.
Thanks, I was wondering how to apply it when it's so liquidy, and the gauze method sounds like the
way to go. Is mixing with emu oil different from "diluting"? I'm thinking that a gel or oil would work
better for topical application since you can use your hands to apply it, and you can put it on like a
lotion. For some reason I have it in my head that rubbing something into the skin will make it seep
into the pores better, although that's probably not as important with DMSO since it is known for
penetrating the skin with ease.
Quote from: Laura
I'll say it again: no home should be without this stuff and some kinesiology tape at all times!
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Absolutely! Imagine if this stuff was taught in high school health classes for everybody in the world -
together with the dietary knowledge available on this forum. It would bankrupt the
medical/pharmaceutical industry within a generation!
Post by: 1984 on October 15, 2010, 11:20:51 PM
Quote from: SAO on October 15, 2010, 11:03:15 PM
I'm thinking that a gel or oil would work better for topical application since you can use your hands to apply it, and you can put it on like a
lotion. For some reason I have it in my head that rubbing something into the skin will make it seep into the pores better, although that's
probably not as important with DMSO since it is known for penetrating the skin with ease.
The book suggests not rubbing it in, rather just apply it and then the wrap with gauze. I use both
liquid and gel (with aloe vera), but the gel works better for me if I need to apply it to my feet or my
back. As Laura has mentioned before, be careful if you accidentally drop some on items that are wood,
etc. It is a solvent, after all. I spilled some in my sink and the sink cleaned up rather nicely! :)
Post by: herondancer on October 21, 2010, 12:07:58 AM
More DMSO miracles.
I've been mixing about a 1/4 tsp (1.25 ml?) with some emu oil and using on my face before going to
bed. It seems to act like a light face peel. The improvement has been amazing. Much better texture,
smaller pores and some fine wrinkles are much less. Test carefully though. If you have sensitive skin
(I don't) you may want to do this only a couple of times a week.
I've had bad skin most of my life thanks to the standard "healthy" diet, with the emotional baggage
that goes with that, so this is really wonderful. The Cass diet had the most to do with it for sure, but
the DSMO seems to have done the last little trick.
Wonderful stuff!
Post by: starmie on October 21, 2010, 03:45:10 AM
Quote from: herondancer on October 21, 2010, 12:07:58 AM
More DMSO miracles.
I've been mixing about a 1/4 tsp (1.25 ml?) with some emu oil and using on my face before going to bed. It seems to act like a light
face peel. The improvement has been amazing. Much better texture, smaller pores and some fine wrinkles are much less. Test carefully
though. If you have sensitive skin (I don't) you may want to do this only a couple of times a week.
I've had bad skin most of my life thanks to the standard "healthy" diet, with the emotional baggage that goes with that, so this is really
wonderful. The Cass diet had the most to do with it for sure, but the DSMO seems to have done the last little trick.
Wonderful stuff!
Wow that awesome!!! Be carefull in giving enough time to your skin cells to regenerate, use calendula
tea has toner it works miracles, gets rid of the puffiness and gives your skin the ultimate glow!!!
EDU
Post by: aleana on October 21, 2010, 07:00:37 PM
Quote from: herondancer on October 21, 2010, 12:07:58 AM
More DMSO miracles.
I've been mixing about a 1/4 tsp (1.25 ml?) with some emu oil and using on my face before going to bed. It seems to act like a light
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face peel. The improvement has been amazing. Much better texture, smaller pores and some fine wrinkles are much less. Test carefully
though. If you have sensitive skin (I don't) you may want to do this only a couple of times a week.
I've had bad skin most of my life thanks to the standard "healthy" diet, with the emotional baggage that goes with that, so this is really
wonderful. The Cass diet had the most to do with it for sure, but the DSMO seems to have done the last little trick.
Wonderful stuff!
That sounds amazing - thank you for posting! I have a lot of brown spots (very fair skin) that showed
up during mid-life. I have tried every "safe" non-chemical remedy I could think of, short of going to a
dermatologist - because I was more afraid of their treatment than the spots! However, in trying to
discontinue using makeup with toxic ingredients, it is harder and harder to cover them. So - I have
been wondering if DMSO used with something else might work. The only problem is that i have not
found anything that might get rid of the spots that is non-toxic and that i would feel safe using with
DMSO.
At any rate - I felt a bit vain, for even thinking about it - considering all the things I should be paying
attention to...but well..it still annoys the heck out of me!!! I may try the DMSO with the emu oil -
also wonder about using Vitamin E oil or Argan instead.
Post by: herondancer on October 23, 2010, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: EGVG on October 21, 2010, 03:45:10 AM
Wow that awesome!!! Be carefull in giving enough time to your skin cells to regenerate, use calendula tea has toner it works miracles,
gets rid of the puffiness and gives your skin the ultimate glow!!!
EDU
Thanks for the tip. I did find after a while that it was better to back off to every other day. The skin
was starting to peel a little, like a very light sunburn. :/ Calendula tea is on the list for the next trip
to the health food store.
Quote from: aleana on October 21, 2010, 07:00:37 PM
That sounds amazing - thank you for posting! I have a lot of brown spots (very fair skin) that showed up during mid-life. I have tried
every "safe" non-chemical remedy I could think of, short of going to a dermatologist - because I was more afraid of their treatment than
the spots! However, in trying to discontinue using makeup with toxic ingredients, it is harder and harder to cover them. So - I have been
wondering if DMSO used with something else might work. The only problem is that i have not found anything that might get rid of the
spots that is non-toxic and that i would feel safe using with DMSO.
At any rate - I felt a bit vain, for even thinking about it - considering all the things I should be paying attention to...but well..it still annoys
the heck out of me!!! I may try the DMSO with the emu oil - also wonder about using Vitamin E oil or Argan instead.
They both sound like great ideas. The rule of thumb seems to be not to mix DMSO with anything you
wouldn't want to ingest, as DMSO enhances the absorption of whatever it is mixed with. Argon oil
probably doesn't taste very good, but I don't think it would hurt you. As for the brown spots, aren't
they an imbalance of the expression of melanin in the skin? There may be some diet things you could
do to balance that. After all, folklore calls them "liver spots".
Herondancer
Post by: Infiniteness on October 24, 2010, 03:36:39 AM
Ive just ordered a bottle of "Undiluted DMSO (99.9%) 16 FL.OZ." from dmso.net. For now I will also
use it for my eyes, will report progress.
Post by: Gaby on October 27, 2010, 05:03:20 PM
While reviewing DMSO studies, I found the following related to sinusitis and nasal polyps:
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Quote
Excellent results were obtained in six of the seven cases with acute sinusitis
and good results in the other. In the second subgroup of five patients, one
patient was considered to have had an excellent result and two, good results.
In this series, DMSO was not applied to the mucous membrane but only to
the over-lying skin. In all patients within one-half hour there was decreased
nasal congestion and the onset of a profuse nasal discharge. In nine of the
twelve cases the discharge was purulent, which indicated effective drainage
of the infected sinus cavities.
The response in one patient was particularly impressive. This 52-year-old
female had had recurrent nasal polyps and in an attempt to treat this entity
she had been subjected to many polypectomies, which all proved to be unsuc-
cessful. In desperation, she was subjected to a course of radiation therapy, but
again this was unsuccessful. Following topical DMSO therapy, using the
patients own words, DMSO had done more for this recurring condition
than any other type of therapy previously tried. A few minutes after DMSO
was applied to the patient, a large volume of purulent material drained from
the nose and relief of congestion occurred.
The above results were obtained by applying DMSO to the skin of the
face only. It would have been interesting to observe the therapeutic effect of
DMSO applied to the nasal mucous membrane itself.
FWIW.
Post by: Guardian on October 27, 2010, 06:04:48 PM
Somebody really needs to invent Athletic Tape soaked in DMSO.
Post by: Prodigal Son on October 27, 2010, 06:33:59 PM
Quote from: Psyche
If only I'd heard of DMSO 30 yrs ago before the surgeon wrecked both of my nasal passages by
burning out all the nasal polyps!!! :)
Quote from: Guardian on October 27, 2010, 06:04:48 PM
Somebody really needs to invent Athletic Tape soaked in DMSO.
Also it should be edible - pre-fried with bacon fat and infused with Vitamin C, D, and Magnesium, and
some probiotics. Can be used topically or eaten.
The next study is also fascinating.
Quote
DIMETHYL SULFOXIDE IN THE TREATMENT OF MENTAL PATIENTS
Eduardo Ramirez
Annals New York Academy of Sciences
Summary
Preliminary results on 42 severely disturbed psychiatric patients showed
DMSO to have antipsychotic and antianxiety properties. It produces emotion-
al calm followed by relief of some psychotic and severe neurotic symptoms.
The action of the drug differs from that of the so-called tranquilizers mainly in
that it does not produce major sedation or central depressant action. On the
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contrary, DMSO produces some mild stimulant effect that makes patients
more alert, sociable, and acceptable for psychotherapy and occupational
therapy. It does not produce muscle relaxation, autonomic changes or ex-
trapyramidal symptoms. DMSO seems to be useful in the treatment of
patients with the following diagnoses: (1) overexcited states (acute schizo-
phrenic reactions, manic phase of the manic-depressive psychoses, alcoholic
phychoses, symptomatic psychoses) ; (2) some symptoms of the chronic
psychoses (autism, stereotypia, negativism, abnormal behavior or the hebe-
phrenic states) ; (3) severe neuroses (anxiety reactions, obsessives). Tolerance
to the drug was judged good in all the treated patients by clinical and
laboratory controls. Inpatient treatment at hospital was shorter for the acute
patients treated with DMSO, as compared with a similar control group
treated with conventional therapy.
[...]
Schizophrenic Patients
The 14 acute patients responded better to this form of treatment than the
chronic patients. In these acute patients the most noticeable effect was the
amelioration of the agitation state; the state began to decrease from the very
first few doses, and this was particularly true with the six catatonic-paranoid
patients who entered the hospital in a great state of agitation. In the eight
paranoiacs, the improvement was better at the conduct level, that is in connec-
tion with symptoms of distrust and seclusion, except in the case of an agitated
woman, whose psychomotor agitation improved first. After that, an improve-
ment was noted in the other psychotic symptoms. In succession, the ego
conscience disturbances, hallucinations, stereotypia and paranoid ideas of
harm and persecution were the symptoms more favorably affected by the drug.
The 14 patients were discharged from the hospital within 45 days. Of this
group three had achieved complete recovery 15 days after they entered the
hospital. One of them said: I have been out of my mind. I dont know what
happened to me. I wonder what my children are going to say. The psychoses
of the 11 remaining patients receded in a longer period.
As for the 11 chronic cases, the seven very deteriorated patients showed
cessation of the agitation state and also a favorable change in conduct. As a
matter of fact, a rapid decrease in restlessness and autism was noted. As the
doses were being increased, distrust, seclusion, negative attitudes and lack of
communication, as well as stereotypia decreased in both intensity and fre-
quency. This improvement was specially noted in a patient who had been
suffering from his disease for 14 years: two weeks after the treatment started,
be became approachable and began to talk, giving clear answers about his
background and, generally speaking, showing a recovery in alertness, as
opposed to the lack of mental coordination he had displayed during the
preceding 14 years. At present, he keeps himself busy as a typist in the ward,
and apparently he has been able to maintain his manual and intellectual
capacity. The same could be said about his proper social behavior. Before
treatment began, the patient used to eat directly from the dishes, using no
cutlery and spilling the food on his clothes. He himself decided to use forks,
spoons, etc. In addition, he is now a neat and tidy man.
The remaining six chronic patients also improved so far as conduct is
concerned. This was especially true of two who, due to the cessation of the
previous treatment 10 days in advance of the DMSO test, became aggressive
and had to be commited to strict seclusion for a number of days. The improve-
ment of these patients made them capable of doing some occupational therapy
later on. None of these patients was discharged from the hospital. The im-
provement achieved during the first two weeks of treatment did not increase
although DMSO treatment was uninterrupted for two to six months.
The four long-term chronic schizophrenics, hospitalized for acute episodes,
showed a complete remission and were discharged from the hospital. They
responded faster to DMSO treatment than to conventional therapy. Their
mean hospitalization time was shorter with DMSO treatment as compared
with similar previous acute episodes of these patients or with other similar
chronic schizophrenics treated as inpatients with conventional therapy.
All the above could encourage us to remark that out of the 25 schizophrenic
patients, the 14 acute and four chronic cases did reach complete remission and
were discharged from the hospital. The remaining seven chronic cases showed
decrease of the agitation episodes and were able to cooperate to the extent
of making occupational therapy possible.
Patients Suffering fmm Manic-Depressive Psychoses
Following the trend of the cases described thus far, the four patients
diagnosed as manic-depressive psychotics showed a remarkable improvement
with regard to the agitation state. Gradually they became more tranquil, at
the same time decreasing their verbosity and megalomaniac ideas. Under
DMSO treatment, the manic phase became shorter and less intense than the
previous episodes manifested by the same patients.
Patients with Alcoholic Psychoses
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These four patients showed a noticeable improvement from the beginning
of treatment. In fact, restlessness decreased after the first few days, in spite of
the fact that hallucinations remained, specially in both cases suffering from
alcoholic hallucinosis; later on, these symptoms decreased in intensity and
frequency, until they completely disappeared.
Patients Suffering from Anxiety States
The anxiety states, associated with bioneuroses and psychoneuroses also
benefited from the drug. Doses from one to two vials a day caused decrease in
the anxiety symptoms, which are so characteristic of those states. This was
particularly true so far as obsessive-compulsive patients were concerned.
Patients said that they felt calm, that ideas did not upset them as before, that
they were able to overcome their obsessive compulsions and that finally they
were able to act in a more spontaneous way.
Inpatient treatment at hospital was shorter for the 31 acute cases treated
with DMSO than for the 16 acute patients of the control group treated with
conventional therapy, as it is shown in the following figure.
[...]
Complete remission of acute patients and of the chronic schizophrenics
with acute episodes treated with DMSO persists thus far. The first treated
case has shown no relapses for as long as a year after completing treatment.
The last of these patients has only been followed for a period of four months,
without further treatment or relapse. Improvement of the seven chronic
schizophrenic patients-all of them in a very serious condition and with more
than six years as hospital inpatients-lasted from one to four weeks after
completing the initial treatment. When they relapsed and DMSO was re-
sumed, they respond in the same way, and their reaction was equally favor-
able. This fact suggests that DMSO does not produce tolerance.
They used DMSO in 50 and 80 per cent concentrations, diluted in 5 ml of saline solution,
intramuscular. Most treatments began with an 80 per cent vial two to three times a day. In the most
disturbed cases, they used up to five vials a day. With patients showing mild or less intense
symptoms, as was the case with patients suffering from anxiety, only one or two vials a day were
used.
All patients stopped their conventional therapy 2 weeks before they started on the DMSO. This study
is from the 1960s.
Post by: Nienna on October 27, 2010, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: Psyche on October 27, 2010, 05:03:20 PM
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Excellent results were obtained in six of the seven cases with acute sinusitis
and good results in the other. In the second subgroup of five patients, one
patient was considered to have had an excellent result and two, good results.
In this series, DMSO was not applied to the mucous membrane but only to
the over-lying skin. In all patients within one-half hour there was decreased
nasal congestion and the onset of a profuse nasal discharge. In nine of the
twelve cases the discharge was purulent, which indicated effective drainage
of the infected sinus cavities.
The response in one patient was particularly impressive. This 52-year-old
female had had recurrent nasal polyps and in an attempt to treat this entity
she had been subjected to many polypectomies, which all proved to be unsuc-
cessful. In desperation, she was subjected to a course of radiation therapy, but
again this was unsuccessful. Following topical DMSO therapy, using the
patients own words, DMSO had done more for this recurring condition
than any other type of therapy previously tried. A few minutes after DMSO
was applied to the patient, a large volume of purulent material drained from
the nose and relief of congestion occurred.
The above results were obtained by applying DMSO to the skin of the
face only. It would have been interesting to observe the therapeutic effect of
DMSO applied to the nasal mucous membrane itself.
FWIW.
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This is very interesting. Do you know what the concentration was? And what should it be for doing a
snizzle with it? If I recall, DMSO is anti-bacterial, anti-viral and anti-fungal. I'm wondering if it would
work better than a snizzle with Nystatin for getting rid of polyps.
Also, I'm wondering if just one application of the DMSO on the face got rid of the polyps, or if it is an
on-going therapy that is done every day? The article didn't specify.
As far as DMSO helping people with mental problems. That's really amazing!
Quote from: Pscye
All patients stopped their conventional therapy 2 weeks before they started on the DMSO. This study is from the 1960s.
Of course, since it worked so well, they are no longer doing this, right?
Quote from: Nienna Eluch on October 27, 2010, 10:51:56 PM
Of course, since it worked so well, they are no longer doing this, right?
That is right. In fact, the paper is hardly quoted in medline.
For the sinusitis study, they used DMSO 70% twice a week. They applied around 5 ml in the forehead,
over the nose, and in the maxillary sinus area. They didn't apply it in the mucosa because they didn't
have permission of their own country to test it in this way :rolleyes: But they were wondering
themselves of the possible benefits or effects.
The study used one application or two at the most for week because it was a study about interval
doses of DMSO as opposed to daily ones. They have good results with this interval dose and actually
some people responded better this way. In the first application nothing happened, but in the second
one there was a positive response. Possibly a "priming effect." Here is the summary:
Quote
INTERVAL THERAPY WITH DIMETHYL SULFOXIDE
M. Marvin Paul
Annals New York Academy of Sciences
Summary
One-hundred and eighty patients were treated with dimethyl sulfoxide,
5 to 15 ml topically in 70 per cent concentration, administered once or twice
weekly. Among the categories of disease evaluated were acute injuries, chron-
ic rheumatoid arthritis, cervical and lumbar disc syndrome, varicose veins,
acute and chronic sinusitis and thrombophlebitis. The results achieved in this
study, giving DMSO only once or twice weekly to acute and chronic patients,
compared favorably with those obtained by others administering the same
dosage twice daily.
Four were diabetics treated with DMSO. Two of these were under control
with Insulin and two required Tolbutamide. Topical DMSO to the two
insulin-treated diabetics was associated with a forced reduction in insulin do-
sage, while no change was required in the two patients receiving Tolbutamide.
Topical DMSO was followed by a blanching of telangectasia, a diminution
in the size of varicosities, reduction in the edema accompanying varicose veins
of the lower extremities, and a relief of the cramping discomfort in the lower
extremities.
Unexpected improvement occurred in two patients with residual damage
following cerebrovascular accidents. The damage had been sustained more
than two years prior to therapy.
The side effects in this series were considered minor. Two patients showed
local dermatitis that persisted for upwards to 12 days, and six an increased
sensitivity to sunlight at the site of application.
Dimethyl sulfoxide in this overall low dosage regimen showed good re-
sults in a wide variety of clinical conditions with an absence of serious side
effects.
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Amazing :) This study is also from the 1960s.
Post by: Nienna on October 28, 2010, 08:52:20 PM
Amazing :) This study is also from the 1960s.
Of course it is. :rolleyes:
Thank you, Psyche. This will give me something to think about. And maybe try. The sensitivity to
sunlight is what is bothering me since I am already having this problem because of a med that I am
on my way off of.
But using as a snizzle is still in my head. :)
Post by: Infiniteness on November 03, 2010, 09:54:18 PM
Alright so I got my saline solution, I went back to the pharmacy cause other people told me that they MUST have it, even though the
woman there told me they didnt.
So I went back to the pharmacy and this time it was a guy, that other woman wasn't there, and when I asked him about saline solution,
he instantly knew what I meant and gave me the saline solution without anything added or what just the saline solution.
awesome :headbanger:
Today I will start using the DMSO in my eye and follow all the recommendations that were givin to me, I will report back in a month about
the process.
After looking around for awhile and just finding saline solutions with preservatives, I think Ive found
one with no preservatives. But I just wanted to make sure with the forum if its the correct one to use
with DMSO.
On the box its title is "Sterile Saline Solution", contents: CVS/Pharmacy saline solution is an aqueous
solution containing sodium chloride, boric acid, and sodium borate.
Also it says on the box that its for contact rinse only. I asked the pharmacy lady and she said that its
pure. So I just wanted to make sure.
Bo, what were the contents on your saline solution?
Post by: Infiniteness on November 05, 2010, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: Infiniteness on November 03, 2010, 09:54:18 PM
After looking around for awhile and just finding saline solutions with preservatives, I think Ive found one with no preservatives. But I just
wanted to make sure with the forum if its the correct one to use with DMSO.
On the box its title is "Sterile Saline Solution", contents: CVS/Pharmacy saline solution is an aqueous solution containing sodium chloride,
boric acid, and sodium borate.
Also it says on the box that its for contact rinse only. I asked the pharmacy lady and she said that its pure. So I just wanted to make
sure.
Bo, what were the contents on your saline solution?
I just wanted to apologize for the noise above. I did not due the proper research and thinking before
buying the product and posting the above post. After thinking/researching I realized what I needed
was just the "sterile saline" and not "sterile saline solution", although that might work too. That's
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what happens when you have a tendency to take short cuts and have one foggy brain.
The bottle that I am getting now is "Sterile Saline Wound Wash", with the ingredients of just purified
water, sterile 0.9% sodium chloride, which should work for the eyes as will.
Post by: 3D Student on November 05, 2010, 05:22:07 PM
Quote
This was particularly true so far as obsessive-compulsive patients were concerned.
Patients said that they felt calm, that ideas did not upset them as before, that
they were able to overcome their obsessive compulsions and that finally they
were able to act in a more spontaneous way.
That's interesting as I have OCD. But intramuscular injections sounds like a far fetched idea. I wonder
if oral ingestion has the same effects.
Post by: Gaby on November 05, 2010, 05:30:09 PM
Quote from: 3D Student on November 05, 2010, 05:22:07 PM
That's interesting as I have OCD. But intramuscular injections sounds like a far fetched idea. I wonder if oral ingestion has the same
effects.
It will not have the same effect, but it is really not practical to do IM injections. I think that taking it
orally occasionally (once a week or so) will still be of help.
Thanks for the info Psyche. I'm not sure if I am able to use it orally, because others around me always
smell it. I've been meaning to use it topically though, but haven't mixed it up yet.
Quote from: 3D Student on November 05, 2010, 06:44:28 PM
Thanks for the info Psyche. I'm not sure if I am able to use it orally, because others around me always smell it. I've been meaning to use
it topically though, but haven't mixed it up yet.
Yeah, that is the problem when you take it orally. I've been using a cream with DMSO and rosehips
topically, and it really does help. And it doesn't smell, well, at least that is what I'm told ;)
Post by: SAO on November 10, 2010, 04:06:50 AM
Would it make sense to try it for menstrual cramps? I know someone who suffers from really painful
ones.
Post by: Gaby on November 10, 2010, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: SAO on November 10, 2010, 04:06:50 AM
Would it make sense to try it for menstrual cramps? I know someone who suffers from really painful ones.
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She could give the DMSO cream a try. I also tried medical tape for menstrual cramps and it worked
pretty well, there is a technique in the manual.
Post by: Incognito on November 10, 2010, 04:17:31 PM
Quote from: Psyche on November 10, 2010, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: SAO on November 10, 2010, 04:06:50 AM
Would it make sense to try it for menstrual cramps? I know someone who suffers from really painful ones.
She could give the DMSO cream a try. I also tried medical tape for menstrual cramps and it worked pretty well, there is a technique in the
manual.
Something that also helps is magnesium, since it acts as a muscle relaxant, it reduces the cramping.
Post by: SAO on November 10, 2010, 05:18:15 PM
Ok thanks guys, I'll suggest all 3 for maximum effect. Though I think ultimately good diet and
exercise would go a long way to help in the long run.
Post by: Infiniteness on November 13, 2010, 05:28:44 AM
Hi Gandalf and 3D Student,
I bought my DMSO from DMSO.net also and it did not come with a safety seal. Did your bottles come
with safety seals?
I haven't opened my big jug and have used a smaller bottle. But the jug has masking tape over it.
Post by: Gandalf on November 13, 2010, 04:26:17 PM
Quote from: Infiniteness on November 13, 2010, 05:28:44 AM
Hi Gandalf and 3D Student,
I bought my DMSO from DMSO.net also and it did not come with a safety seal. Did your bottles come with safety seals?
Sorry but i do not remember it. :(
I have a question for SAO, Divided by Zero, Hildegarda, Lilou, Regulattor, Shane, Shijing, Kniall and
Herondancer... Can you guys send me a PM with your real name and current city, that is, if you
approve of having your testimonial with DMSO in this thread published in the DCM magazine. If you
don't want to, no worries!
:)
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Thank you!
Post by: Thor on November 13, 2010, 08:01:11 PM
To the Europeans on the Forum.
I just tried to order some DMSO from dmso.net to be sent to Denmark. I was able to fill out the order
form and even though the shipping was about $ 15 I though it was worth it.
Unfortunately, this morning I received an email from Robert Brock from dmso.net saying that they are
very sorry but they are unable to ship to Denmark. :(
I don't know if this is a Europe-wide issue but thought I'd put the info out there. Also, if someone
knows of a place to buy DMSO within Europe, I'd be very happy to know, as I've been unable to find
this myself. I asked the same question in another thread but there it was somewhat off-topic so I am
hoping that this thread is better :).
Post by: the_hammer on November 14, 2010, 01:26:27 AM
Hi Thor.
If you want it in gel form, we have a brand new spare one we can send you for the price we got it for
from e-bay as we live in Denmark (88kr). But maybe you want the spray form? If you want it, you can
just PM us your adress.
Post by: Away With The Fairys on November 14, 2010, 06:38:16 AM
Quote from: the_hammer on November 14, 2010, 01:26:27 AM
Hi Thor.
If you want it in gel form, we have a brand new spare one we can send you for the price we got it for from e-bay as we live in Denmark
(88kr). But maybe you want the spray form? If you want it, you can just PM us your adress.
Hi Thor.
Got up for a nature calls morning thingy and seen the wifes message here.. I dont think it is wise to
send your address via a PM and would ask a moderator to delete a PM from Thor if one has been
sent. For every ones safety I think. And just to say Ebay uk is worth checking if you want gel
dmso.They may have liquid also , cant remember.
Right back to that dream
Post by: Thor on November 14, 2010, 11:34:44 AM
Hi Thor.
Hi the_hammer,
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Thanks for the offer :) Also, it is good to see that there are other people from Denmark on the Forum.
It hadn't occurred to me to check eBay but when I did, there it was. I have now ordered the DMSO
and am waiting for it to arrive.
Post by: Thor on November 14, 2010, 11:51:55 AM
Quote from: Away With The Fairys on November 14, 2010, 06:38:16 AM
Hi Thor.
Hi Thor.
Got up for a nature calls morning thingy and seen the wifes message here.. I dont think it is wise to send your address via a PM and
would ask a moderator to delete a PM from Thor if one has been sent. For every ones safety I think. And just to say Ebay uk is worth
checking if you want gel dmso.They may have liquid also , cant remember.
Right back to that dream
Hi AWTF (and mods),
I appreciate your concern (especially at such an early hour :)) but I must admit I was a bit surprised.
I recall reading that engaging in PMs should be undertaken at one's own risk as it might be used as a
vehicle for predatory behavior.
Thanks also for the suggestion to check out eBay. I did indeed find the DMSO there so in this case it
turned out not be relevant to use the offer from the_hammer. However, I would like to ask the mods
if it would be to go against Forum recommendations to engage in such a transaction as suggested by
the_hammer. Personally, I appreciated it and found it helpful, but maybe that is naive?
I hope you had refreshing dreams :).
Post by: Away With The Fairys on November 14, 2010, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: Thor on November 14, 2010, 11:51:55 AM
Thanks also for the suggestion to check out eBay. I did indeed find the DMSO there so in this case it turned out not be relevant to use the
offer from the_hammer. However, I would like to ask the mods if it would be to go against Forum recommendations to engage in such a
transaction as suggested by the_hammer. Personally, I appreciated it and found it helpful, but maybe that is naive?
I hope you had refreshing dreams :).
Hi Thor
In the sleeping world a transaction as suggested would be perfectly normal , but in the process of
awakening one realizes that what was once normal is no longer so. One must watch each decision one
makes with more care , and as paranoid as it may seem to some , always expect attack.
Via sending a PM with ones address and contact details to some one that one does not really know
can indeed lead to problems/danger , and so on.The Mods and elders of this forum I am sure have
stories that they could relate which would bring the point home. If one is taking part in this forum for
the right reasons then it becomes fairly obvious that dangers exist in such sending of PMs. This forum
, I hope you will agree is not like anywhere else on the www. And that is because great care is taken
in protecting as far as can be done the members in this forum.
I am pleased that you have found the DMSO that you were seeking , and maybe one day , when the
time is right we folks who reside in Denmark will meet.
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Hi AWTF,
Thanks for making it clear to me. It has only been about four months since I started delving into the
material covered on this forum. I am really thrilled and frightened at the same time and although
mentally I understand much of what is being discussed I must admit that I am not currently at a stage
where it has all sunk in. I can see the dots but they have not connected internally. I am looking
forward to that happening while at the same time worrying how much more alienated to the "normal"
(sleeping) world including the people therein, I will become. This brings me to your second point about
potentially meeting up if/when the time is right. I do find it difficult that the only thing that really
interests me (The Work) is something that I can't talk to people about. It's difficult to become more
and more alienated from my friends, family and wife who see my interests and actions as verging on
bizarre. The opposite is also true as I find most "normal" behavior anesthetizing.
Well, that was a short display of the "feeling sorry for myself" program" and I'm sure it's a phase that
all here go through but I'm sure looking forward to having a feeling of somewhat firmer ground under
my feet :)
Post by: Away With The Fairys on November 14, 2010, 09:36:16 PM
Quote from: Thor on November 14, 2010, 06:17:39 PM
it has only been about four months since I started delving into the material covered on this forum. I am really thrilled and frightened at the
same time and although mentally I understand much of what is being discussed I must admit that I am not currently at a stage where it
has all sunk in.
I dont want to hijack this thread , though I will respond to you here.apologies to all. It all probably
wont sink in , in this lifetime. In creation , creativity , there is no final product , it is a continual
ongoing process , always something to learn new , based upon the knowledge we gain along the way,
or so I think presently. The fear you speak of is quite natural , the truth can be a shocking awakening
from the "normal" we knew. If you grasp it there is no turning back. No point in trying to hide it will
always be there , so once that is realized the only way is onward , knowledge really does /can protect.
Quote
I can see the dots but they have not connected internally. I am looking forward to that happening while at the same time worrying how
much more alienated to the "normal" (sleeping) world including the people therein, I will become.
I totally understand and relate to what you are saying here , as many in this forum will. If you dont
look at the knowledge as something "special" and just a gift which is a natural birthright , it is there if
you want to know .Look at it this way. If a car mechanic lived in a world full of people like me then he
would feel alienated with his knowledge of engines and the such , especially if he could not make the
world full of people like me want to understand.
If that makes any sense? You wil just have to continue talking of other matters that I can understand
and accept it.
Poor old Leonardo maybe felt like a right fruitloop when trying to discuss a machine that could fly and
carry a man. Can you imagine what the guys in the old pub must have been thinking when he spoke
of these things?
There is a Walter Raleigh sketch by Bob Newhart , where we hear explaining what tobacco is back to
the folks in england. Worth a watch
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7YBaiJMnik
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This brings me to your second point about potentially meeting up if/when the time is right. I do find it difficult that the only thing that really
interests me (The Work) is something that I can't talk to people about.
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Ha! Yes it is frustrating is it not , ask most members here , they wil agree with you. Truth is a very
serious matter , it literally IS a matter of life and death , look at the world around you and how it runs
with mankind asleep and accepting the rule of the psychopaths , liars and so on.
Quote
It's difficult to become more and more alienated from my friends, family and wife who see my interests and actions as verging on bizarre.
The opposite is also true as I find most "normal" behavior anesthetizing.
Whos life/potential soul is it?
Well, that was a short display of the "feeling sorry for myself" program" and I'm sure it's a phase that
all here go through but I'm sure looking forward to having a feeling of somewhat firmer ground under
my feet :)
[/quote]
Me to.Take care , stay tuned!
AWTF,
Thanks for the response with pertinent points and the Bob Newhart link :D - I'd never heard of him
before but relevant and funny.
Apologies to all for a mini-hijack of the thread.
Post by: Gonzo on December 17, 2010, 10:32:47 AM
About two weeks ago I received some DMSO from Gandalf to try and see if it would help my ongoing
muscle spasms in my neck and upper back.
Since I have a few herniated discs in both my neck and lower back, even the slightest inflammation in
my spine seems to put pressure on the nerves, which in turn refer the pain along the nerve pathways.
A couple of months ago my neck got so bad I couldn't move it in any direction without experiencing
excruciating pain in the neck that would occasionally extend down my forearms.
Acupuncture and massage helped bring things down considerably, but I have had continuous tension
issues in my neck ever since.
As well, I have been having difficulty with pain in the front of my right shoulder. It seems related to
the neck as it is worse when the neck is sore. But it can also be sore all on its own.
I really notice the pain now that I've been away from inflammatory foods for several months which
resulted in a huge decrease in both my fibromyalgia and rheumatoid arthritis and pain is no longer a
constant for me.
Unfortunately, money has been so tight that I was unable to explore kinesio taping or other
approaches that might have helped. Were it not for Gandalf offering to send me a bottle of DMSO, I
would not have been able to try it either.
I poured the DMSO into a sterilized spray bottle and mixed with distilled water to a 50 percent diluted
solution.
I sprayed it onto the tense side on my neck as well as my right shoulder.
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After a minute I started getting significant itching but was able to ignore it until it subsided 30
minutes later. However, I was surprised that within a few minutes of application I developed a taste in
my mouth similar to bitter asparagus, almost a rotting taste. Rather nasty. I read about this
phenomena in this thread and elsewhere but until i experienced it firsthand, I had no real frame of
reference. I found it a little disconcerting as I have never experienced anything affect me like that.
As well, my partner noticed how my body overall was smelling something akin to rotting vegetables.
Definitely not a form of foreplay :)
I was even more surprised how the pain in my shoulder subsided within 30 minutes (around the time
the itching ended) and I was able to sleep without any painkillers.
I had also done an experiment the other night. I had some nerve pain in my lower legs and sprayed
the DMSO on the areas. Within 20 minutes the nerve pain had been reduced to an almost unoticable
level. I don't know if it is coincidence and the pain would have gone away on its own, so I will have to
be a little more scientific and consistent in my approach. Although my diet has reduced such episodes,
I still get bouts of nerve pain in my legs, so there will be plenty of opportunity for further exploration.
I may start spraying my lower back, where the pain originates as well.
Although the shoulder problem keeps returning and I will probably have to save up for kinesio taping
(I noticed they now sell pre-cut shapes for specific areas like the shoulder), I will continue trying
DMSO and reading about its affects on both inflammation and neuropathies.
Thanks,
Gonzo
Post by: Gandalf on December 17, 2010, 07:06:09 PM
Thank you Gonzo for the update.
Glad to read that DMSO seems to give you some pain relief.
Keep on using it and keep us informed. ;)
Post by: Shijing on December 18, 2010, 10:34:32 AM
Quote from: Gonzo on December 17, 2010, 10:32:47 AM
Although the shoulder problem keeps returning and I will probably have to save up for kinesio taping (I noticed they now sell pre-cut
shapes for specific areas like the shoulder), I will continue trying DMSO and reading about its affects on both inflammation and
neuropathies.
Is the kind of pre-cut shape you mention above like this (http://www.amazon.com/KINESIOLOGY-
TAPE-SPIDER-TECH-SHOULDER/dp/B003O5C72M/ref=sr_1_3?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1292664077&
sr=1-3)? If so, or if you have another suggestion, send me the details and your address in a PM and
I'll see if I can get some sent your way. Oh, and the DMSO smell can be a bit to deal with -- but I'm
glad to hear it's been working for you too.
Post by: Gonzo on December 18, 2010, 11:01:26 PM
Yes, that's the one from SpiderTech. A couple of websites mentioned that SpiderTech is the only
company currently making precut kinesio tape, although I thought I saw other ones a couple of
months ago when I was looking for solutions. I also noticed more and more of the various kinesio
tape manufacturers are putting up How-To information on their websites, much to the charging of all
those in the healing arts that spent thousands of dollars on their product application training, I'm
sure.
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Thanks for the offer. I was asking for that product as a Christmas gift, so I might be covered. But I
really appreciate your generosity.
Thanks,
Gonzo
Post by: Shijing on December 18, 2010, 11:56:58 PM
Quote from: Gonzo on December 18, 2010, 11:01:26 PM
Thanks for the offer. I was asking for that product as a Christmas gift, so I might be covered. But I really appreciate your generosity.
Sure thing -- if Santa doesn't deliver, you can let me know. Otherwise, I hope it works out along with
the DMSO!
You know, I just can't say enough how amazing this group, all of us, are. Such helpfulness borne out
of genuine compassion and exercised in so many ways really moves me.
In a way, it makes me quite sad because I know this is what humanity can be like, given the
opportunity and environment.
Even in our STS world we can still rise to incredible heights that I get a glimpse of what we, the
people, could do in an STO world. Granted, this forum is made up mostly of people aligned who are
trying to move themselves away from STS and towards STO, so we aren't representative of the
population at large.
But I can see how even in an STS world we practice STO principles and create an STO world within an
STS one. Ok, enough off topic.
My partner had a nasty fall during a paranormal investigation we participated in several weeks ago. In
the low light, she didn't notice there was one more step left as she descended a flight of stairs and
twisted her ankle. The worst part of the injury seems to have healed, but she still has occasional
aches and swelling if she is on her feet too long. While we wait to get her into physio, I thought I'd try
DMSO on her.
The first time was a few nights ago before bed. The ankle was slightly swollen and aching. I sprayed a
50% diluted solution of DMSO on her ankle and let it soak in. Within 15 minutes the pain was pretty
much gone, as was the swelling. Tonight she was having the pain again and her knees and one wrist
(computer related repetition injury from years ago) were also bugging her (whenever precipitation is
in the forecast, her knees and wrist start aching). So, I did an experiment and applied the DMSO
diluted solution to one knee and her wrist and a lidocaine/menthol cream to the other.
Within minutes she said they knees felt different from each other, but both had less pain. A few more
minutes passed and the wrist and knee that had the DMSO application were pain free and the other
knee was 80% better. Now, it's pretty hard to know what role the placebo affect might have played,
but she was surprised at the speed and degree of help afforded by DMSO. I was actually surprised that
she never experienced the taste in her mouth that I got. She's usually quite sensitive to just about
everything and her body feels the effect of food almost instantly after she eats (she's type 2 diabetic
but has had it well under control with diet for a couple of years).
It makes sense at this point to try a consistent approach for a while with her and see what the results
are like after a week. We're not sure when she can get into physio yet and I am concerned the injury
could become chronic if left untreated.
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Incidentally, my pain specialist was talking about injecting me with a nerve block for my shoulder. He
is supportive of me experimenting with DMSO but is concerned about my overall pain levels and would
like me to get things more under control. Although I am running out of options from his perspective,
I decided to modify my current approach first before we consider the nerve blocks.
Since DMSO is an excellent carrier for other medicines, I thought I could apply lidocaine to my
shoulder after the DMSO and see if it would have an effect on the nerve pain that often travels down
my arm.
I'm not sure if this makes a lot of medical sense, and, if it does, I'm not sure if I should apply the
combined therapy to the shoulder (pain is in the front of the shoulder), to the side of the neck at the
facet joints or both. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Gonzo
Post by: Laura on December 19, 2010, 07:06:10 AM
If it was me, I'd do a lot of reading on DMSO and stick with that. There ARE things that you want to
carry into the body with DMSO, but you have to be VERY careful about that and I'm not sure that
lidocaine is one of them.
The taping method really works on nerve pain (ask Patience!) and the DMSO can bring permanent
healing to the tissues.
Having been through every kind of treatment imaginable for intractable pain, including three major
surgeries, I sure wish I knew then what I know now - I'd have used DMSO and taping.
Thanks, Laura.
While I don't see DMSO as a panacea, I certainly see how I can be over exuberant when I finally find
something that has an effect.
The thinking with the lidocaine was that it would transport the action further down the nerve line,
similar to the effects of the nerve block. But since it could also makes it's way into the blood stream,
that might not be such a good idea. As well, it seems DMSO has similar effects to lidocaine in the
sense of deadening the nerves, so it might have been a bit redundant.
I appreciate the second sober thought, especially from someone who has gone through such similar
experiences with chronic pain, inflammation and surgery, if not more.
Much obliged.
I have to say, I was a little surprised to read about the history of DMSO vis a vis the FDA working
hard to halt research and limit distribution, even to the extent of exaggerating negative results in
their research.
I will be seeing if I can find its Canadian regulatory history to see what we did with it in its earlier
days.
Health Canada recently had a public consultation on delisting several drugs, including DMSO, but
they've yet to publish the results of the consultation nor have they amended the act and regulations
in which its use is currently strictly limited.
Thanks again,
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Gonzo
Post by: Mr. Premise on December 20, 2010, 05:21:25 AM
I tried oral DMSO for the first time Saturday. Wasn't sure about the smell so I waited until I had some
time I didn't have to be anywhere in public or at work or have any invitations to people's houses. I
took a teaspoon in some distilled water. Didn't taste bad and I didn't have any negative reactions to it.
Maybe a very slight headache.
About an hour after I took it, my 12-year old started to complain about a smell in the house. Like sour
rotten milk. I stood next to him and asked him if it was me, but he said no, and then I stood next to
my wife and she said I didn't smell weird, so I thought it was something else. It started to bother my
12-year old so much he started walking around the house with his t-shirt over his mouth lighting
scented candles and incense. He must be the olfactory canary in the coal mine!
Later, my wife and the other kids started to smell it on me, so I told them that I took some DMSO and
what it does. Didn't realize it would smell so bad! I even did a FIR sauna session that evening and
took a shower, then took another shower the next morning and they all could smell it when I came
down in the morning. By evening though, they said it was almost gone. Didn't bother my dog,
though. :P
I am interested in finding out what it smells like, because, like garlic, you can't smell it on yourself. I
even ran into a friend today who uses it regularly and he smelled it for the first time on me.
I was glad, though, that it didn't make me feel bad, so at least taking detox supplements and doing
the FIR sauna for the past year and a half, plus several courses of DMSA has helped. I'll definitely
keep up DMSO whenever I get the chance and hope I don't get kicked out of the house.
Post by: Shijing on December 20, 2010, 06:54:35 AM
Quote from: Mr. Premise on December 20, 2010, 05:21:25 AM
About an hour after I took it, my 12-year old started to complain about a smell in the house. Like sour rotten milk. I stood next to him
and asked him if it was me, but he said no, and then I stood next to my wife and she said I didn't smell weird, so I thought it was
something else. It started to bother my 12-year old so much he started walking around the house with his t-shirt over his mouth lighting
scented candles and incense. He must be the olfactory canary in the coal mine!
[...]
I am interested in finding out what it smells like, because, like garlic, you can't smell it on yourself. I even ran into a friend today who uses
it regularly and he smelled it for the first time on me.
My family sometimes complains rather mightily after I take it for about the first two days. I'll pick my
daughter up after school, and she says she can smell it right away and makes gagging noises at me to
try to drive the point home. It's the weirdest thing, because after I take it and get that initial taste in
my mouth, I can't tell for the life of me that I smell any different, but everyone else around me
apparently can!
Post by: Gaby on December 20, 2010, 02:01:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Premise on December 20, 2010, 05:21:25 AM
I am interested in finding out what it smells like, because, like garlic, you can't smell it on yourself. I even ran into a friend today who uses
it regularly and he smelled it for the first time on me.
The garlic-like body odor and taste in the mouth that some experience is attributable to a specific
DMSO metabolite: dimethyl sulfide (DMS), a component of natural onion and garlic flavors. This can
last for one or two days and in a small number of people, especially men, the odor can be very
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pungent. Drinking enough water will help diffuse the smell.
Post by: Gonzo on December 20, 2010, 07:45:50 PM
With respect to the smell, I was surprised at how potent the odour was even though both my partner
and I only used it topically.
Within a few minutes after application, I experienced the taste in the mouth (she didn't, by the way)
and within 30 or so more minutes our entire bodies starting smelling. Actually, it was the bedroom
that started to smell, or so it seemed.
Of course, we couldn't really smell it if we were both using it, but on the occasions where only one of
us were applying it, the other person noticed the smell strongly.
The very first time I used it, my partner reported that I smelled of rotting vegetables.
However, when she used it, I smelled something closer to the smell a kitchen takes on after cooking
cabbage and garlic.
Since our other housemates have mentioned a recent garbage smell throughout the house, I'm
hesitant to use DMSO throughout the work week. My office is supposed to be scent free, so I can't
hide behind my Givenchy pour hommes. Geez, now that I think about it, I wonder if rotting
asparagus is considered a scent. :)
I certainly can understand why various drug trials and other experiments with DMSO had such high
participant dropout rates. Usually such rates would be attributable to side effects. This is the first time
I've ever read of foul odour as a primary cause of dropping out or non completion.
Heh, maybe it has a discouraging affect on vampires.
An interesting side note: my partner is complaining less about the smell of cigarettes on me. Maybe
this could be a form of "diversion therapy".
:)
Gonzo
Post by: RyanX on April 05, 2011, 04:16:58 PM
Well, after reading through this thread yesterday I decided to attempt my first dose of DMSO last
night. I figured, radiation or not, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to boost my detox regime. Here
are some observations:
First, opening the bottle, there wasn't much of any smell to it. The bottle claimed it was 99% pure
DMSO. (The bottle also said not to take internally :rolleyes:) Given the comments about sulfur
smell, I was expecting it to sink like rotten eggs or something, but there was none of that. I think
Data mention this as well. Anyways, I put a teaspoon in a small glass of distilled water and gulped it
down. This was on a empty stomach, of course, about 40min before I ate dinner. It had a taste which
I can only compare to "stale vegetables". I'm not sure if that's the best description or not, but I've
tasted worse things in my life, so drinking it wasn't a problem. I chased it down with another large
glass of water.
It did give me a slight floaty feeling at first, almost like the feeling I get when I smoke too much
tobacco. I noticed throughout the night that I felt warmer and thirstier than I normally do. I also had
more phlegm than usual as well. While I was doing the breathing and meditation later on I had to
periodically clear my throat, and usually that doesn't happen unless I've been sick.
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I'll wait a week and try it again. So far so good, I guess.
I did have one question though: When I was measuring off a teaspoon, I ended up using a
stainless-steel measuring spoon. Afterward I got to thinking that might not have been the greatest
thing to do since this stuff is supposed to act as a metal solvent and it might pick up some of the
chromium from the stainless steel. Would it be better to use a plastic measuring spoon instead?
Maybe it doesn't matter since it's not in contact with the spoon for all that long. Thanks!
Post by: Gandalf on April 05, 2011, 04:30:26 PM
Quote from: RyanX on April 05, 2011, 04:16:58 PM
I did have one question though: When I was measuring off a teaspoon, I ended up using a stainless-steel measuring spoon. Afterward I
got to thinking that might not have been the greatest thing to do since this stuff is supposed to act as a metal solvent and it might pick
up some of the chromium from the stainless steel. Would it be better to use a plastic measuring spoon instead? Maybe it doesn't matter
since it's not in contact with the spoon for all that long. Thanks!
Once I used a plastic spoon and the color was altered by the product.
So better to use stainless steel spoon.
fwiw
Quote from: Gandalf on April 05, 2011, 04:30:26 PM
Once I used a plastic spoon and the color was altered by the product.
So better to use stainless steel spoon.
fwiw
Thanks Gandalf! That's good to know.
I'll stick with the stainless-steel measuring spoon then.
Post by: Sentenza on April 25, 2011, 04:11:42 PM
I have hot a question about distilled water.
Please excuse me if the question has been already asked, but forum is extraordinary dense and it's a
bit difficult because of english language (but I just starded to watch "Dexter"(human or O.P? :P)in
english version, so... ).
I see that everybodyhere is talking about "distilled water" but... what is exactly "distilled water"?
There is no evidence for me on that point. :huh:
I feel pain ( tensive headache) for such a long time (years...) that I bought DMSO (99% of purity, not
the best, no?) a week ago and try to use it topically since two days. I diluted my DMSO in mineral
water (in bottle) because I don't understand what is "distilled water". Is it a bad thing?
I bougth in a supermarket some "demineralized water" (for battery cars or steam iron :/). It is wrote
on the bottle : "Don't reach for children". Is it dangerous for human body? Can I use that to dilute
DMSO?
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Or "distilled water" maybe means filtered from the water tap? I've got one, but doesn't it subsist some
products?
Please help me because I'm a little bit lost... :cry:
PS : DMSO works well, my pain had yet reduce in a significant way, even with mineral water. :cool2:
Quote from: Sentenza on April 25, 2011, 04:11:42 PM
I see that everybodyhere is talking about "distilled water" but... what is exactly "distilled water"? There is no evidence for me on that
point. :huh:
Sentenza,
Distilled water is water that has been steamed and then re-condensed back into a liquid. Taking it
from the liquid phase to the gas phase and back into the liquid phase removes most impurities other
than any dissolved gasses. This makes distilled water incredibly pure - assuming it hasn't been
contaminated with something after the distilling process.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distilled_water
Post by: Sentenza on April 25, 2011, 05:58:26 PM
Thanks for your answer RyanX.
And is demineralized water (for steamed iron) the same than distilled water?
Is it OK to use with DMSO ?
Post by: Gonzo on April 25, 2011, 06:24:39 PM
in Canada we see the two terms "demineralized water" and "distilled water" often on bottles on the
same shelf in the grocery store. Steam distillation removes minerals and other impurities and is,
therefore, demineralized (although there are other means of demineralization: osmosis, for example).
From my reading on the issue, there seems to be a lot of fear in some that distilled water would
somehow leach the body of it's minerals.
However, I can't see a scientific reason why it would be dangerous to use demineralized water on your
skin or drink it.
Wikipedia's entry on Purified Water has a section "Health effects of drinking purified water" that might
be informative:
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purified_water#Health_effects_of_drinking_purified_water
Hoe that helps,
Gonzo
Thanks for your answer RyanX.
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Yes.
I was surprised that I could not find distilled water for drinking in France. So, until we got our
distiller, I was drinking the water in big jugs that are to put in the iron or car battery.
Post by: Sunrise on May 09, 2011, 08:01:51 PM
Hi !
Today, I call the society of manufacturing of the demineralized water that I bought from the
supermarket (a can for steamed iron).I wanted to know from wich water and by wich process it was
obtained. The person in charge said to me that it was made from water of drilling and by a natural
process of die- ionization by resin.
He said to me that it was to unfit in the consumption because the drilling underwent no bacteriological
analysis and so there was potentially a risk of bacteriological contamination stemming from the
drilling because the process of demineralization compared with the distillation did'nt destroy bacteria.
Die-ionization: process using who exchanges resins of ions which can retain the ions
contained in the water. Can remove in theory 100 % of salts. Die-ionization does not
eliminate organic compounds, nor viruses or bacteria except by a taking in the trap
"accidental" in the resin and particularly with resins of anionic of base strong which will
eliminate gram-negative bacteria.( source in french )http://www.lenntech.fr/eau-de-ionisee-
demineralisee.htm
As a result, that does'nt give me completely confidence in the daily consumption of such a water and
maybe even less combined with the taking of DMSO, because if there are bacteria or the other one in
the water they would not be multiplied tenfold by the taking simultaneous of DMSO?
Would it be possible to have an opinion on the question, please?
Thanks !
Post by: Gonzo on May 09, 2011, 08:43:09 PM
Hi Sunrise.
Interesting information.
Bottled spring water might have the same issue since it is not regulated by many governments across
the world. In Canada, the water is taken from deep aquifers and does not go through any bacteria
analysis.
Having said that, there is a chance the methods utilized by the water company you mention are
unsanitary or the areas they drill in are contaminated.
I wonder if you can find water that has been purified through reverse osmosis?
Gonzo
Sunrise, read what I just wrote in the post above yours. Don't know what else to tell you.
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Post by: Data on May 13, 2011, 07:06:51 PM
Last summer I bought a small bottle of pure DMSO in the pharmacy. It came in a PET plastic bottle
and apparantly came directly from the manufacturer because it was sealed. I didn't touch it a few
months and today I've had a look at it again and noticed that the bottle got bubbles/blisters all over.
That means a few things:
1) DMSO is stong enough to dissolve PET (even if very slowly) and likely other plastic bottles as well
2) The manufacturer apparently has no idea about that
3) DMSO which is stored in plastic bottles contains dissolved plastic, which probably makes it toxic and
therefore unusable.
I'm going to dispose it. I've ordered new 99,99% DMSO directly from a chemistry vendor because the
pharmacy is not allowed to hand it out without prescription. It is sold as high purity product for gas
chromatography. I'm assuming that it corresponds to pharmaceutical grade (suitable for intake).
Post by: Divide By Zero on May 14, 2011, 02:45:21 AM
The DMSO I got in a plastic bottle hasn't had any issues but I cannot determine what type of plastic it
is. It just says 250ml on the bottom with one side saying S and the other side a 5.
My next order is DMSO in glass bottles, besides the cream/gel which comes in a plastic container.
Post by: forge on June 03, 2011, 05:47:48 PM
My God, how could you swallow that horrible stuff?
I found 1 liter of 99.9% DMSO - glass, freshly produced on order - at a city chemical shop. 11% of my
salary and for a quarter of the price than sold on the net. Today, after a week of hesitating, i poured
a tablespoon into a big serving spoon washed/flushed with distilled water:
_http://www.bilingual.sk/picture/117.jpg
Poured it full with distilled water and watched warily as the stuff stirred up inside. I could only gulp it
down by pouring more distilled water to it. Also held a small mouthful on the roof, because i only
bought the stuff to attempt to de-calcinate my pineal gland. Yuucck!!! :umm: From what was written
here i thought it tasted mildly of garlic, not this violent and strong. 13 minutes in and only a slight
stomach reaction experienced. :-/
Anyone used a solution on the head? Did it affect your hair?
Post by: curious_richard on June 03, 2011, 06:33:46 PM
Quote from: forge on June 03, 2011, 05:47:48 PM
Quickly! :)
I also use a 50% solution every now and then in my mouth, and if I do it much longer than a minute,
I risk the chance of gagging. So after one minute, I swallow it and follow up with water, cold tea, or
something else that tastes good.
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When I take MSM, I find that the bad taste hides pretty well in cold tea (with stevia). Maybe cold tea
would help hide the taste of DMSO?
Post by: Laura on June 03, 2011, 07:25:38 PM
When you are suffering, bad taste doesn't really matter if you get relief.
i only bought the stuff to attempt to de-calcinate my pineal gland.
What makes you think your pineal is calcinated? What makes you think DMSO will de-calcinate it?
Post by: Rabelais on June 04, 2011, 12:56:07 PM
Not knowing whether or not I really even needed DMSO, I began taking a teaspoon full once a week
to observe the response. I was taking the dose in about 3 - 4 ounces of distilled water. The last time I
took some was during the mid day, a few weeks ago. Later, in the cool of the early evening, I went
outside to do some gardening. I was digging in heavy clay soil which required some exertion. After
about an hour I noticed a bright purple spot, about the size of a dime, had appeared on my forearm. It
did not itch, burn or exhibit any feeling sensation at all. When I finally quit gardening and went into
the house to shower, I noticed another such spot in the palm of my hand.
The next day I showed the mystery spots to a retired nurse friend. She immediately said "burst
capillaries... nothing to worry about". I have never experienced this in my life, without some kind of
minor trauma involved (a pinch or sharp puncture), and can only attribute it to the dose of DMSO
taken earlier in the day, followed by some heavy exercise. I had noticed no benefits from the DMSO
that I had been taking, so for the sake of caution, I have decided to put the DMSO away until
something develops that DMSO is known to benefit (osteoarthritis, trauma injury, etc).
Since my afternoon spent with Daniel Haley (author, Politics in Healing), and hearing his first hand
account of his miraculous stroke recovery by being administered DMSO immediately at the onset, I
have been a believer in DMSO as a natural solvent which can quickly clear arterial obstructions, but
without some compelling symptom which is known to be aided by DMSO, I am discontinuing any
further supplementation. I have a feeling that this maybe should not be a one-size-fits-all
supplemental regimen.
I am currently reading Morton's DMSO Nature's Healer. I am glad to hear that it is helping others. No
doubt there are a wide range of conditions in which DMSO can prove beneficial, but if it is going to
burst capillaries in me, I think that I'll hold off on any further DMSO doses.
Post by: forge on June 04, 2011, 02:22:57 PM
Quote from: Laura on June 03, 2011, 07:25:38 PM
When you are suffering, bad taste doesn't really matter if you get relief.
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i only bought the stuff to attempt to de-calcinate my pineal gland.
What makes you think your pineal is calcinated? What makes you think DMSO will de-calcinate it?
Baconnier, S., et al., Calcite microcrystals in the
pineal gland of the human brain: first physical and
chemical studies. Bioelectromagnetics, 23(7),
488-495 (2002).
_http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/etc/medialib/docs/Sigma/Product_Information_Sheet
/c3049pis.Par.0001.File.tmp/c3049pis.pdf
No known pineal de-calcifiers:
_http://www.doctorslounge.com/neurology/forums/backup/topic-24984.html
Study of two types of calcium in the pineal gland:
_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12224052
Rick Strassman quotes study, also found here:
_http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/new11.html
that the pineal gland begins to calcify after onset of puberty >12years of age. I had natural [in-body
produced] DMT experiences 10 years ago and i want them back now for analysis.
Possible piezoelectricity generated sound?
Since i don't have this sound now, i think my pineal is calcified. [?]
Target: pineal gland
Supposition: calcification after age >12
"Pineal calcification was seen on films in 61% and on CT scans in 83% of those over 30.
On both films and CT scans calcification was 10% higher in males."
_http://resources.metapress.com/pdf-preview.axd?code=l708p46k13224018&size=largest
Can be checked for ~300EUR, one just needs MR+CT scans. [1ft=~271EUR]
_http://www.raditec.hu/araink.html
Target: DMSO
Supposition: universal solvent *will dissolve pineal calcium and resulting in natural pineal effects on
spiritual experiences by increased natural DMT production.
Two types of calcium was found in Pineal gland:
Hydroxyapatite(brain sand): DMSO does not dissolve this
A major component and an essential ingredient of normal bone and teeth. Hydroxyapatite makes up
bone mineral and the matrix of teeth. It is hydroxyapatite that gives bones and teeth their rigidity.
DMSO does not touch teeth.
octoconia: calcite crystals = calcium carbonate DMSO doesn't dissolve this
_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12224052
found in the inner ear have already been studied and found to be piezoelectric - in other words, they
produce an electric charge when pressure is applied to them ...and the "reverse piezolectrial
effect"...when an external electical field is applied, they will change shape slightly. It is very likely
that the pineal calcite crystals are also piezoelectric, according to the 2002 study.paroxysmal
positional vertigo - Wikipedia, the free ...
Finding: DMSO does not dissolve the calcium in the pineal gland
Supposition: *wrong
Maybe more success with de-fluoridation of the gland.
Post by: jaela on July 10, 2011, 09:13:10 PM
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After reading the commentaries I have to ask you if anybody used it yet for healing herniated discs
(bottom of the spine) . My husband is having quite a few herniated discs, and he always feels his back
.It would be more than nice to find a solution for his problem.
One more question, it is just pain killer or can heal the disc as well ? Maybe its a stupid question, but
Im searching for something what really will heal the affected discs, thank you, Jaela

Post by: Renaissance on July 10, 2011, 09:32:56 PM
Quote from: jaela on July 10, 2011, 09:13:10 PM
After reading the commentaries I have to ask you if anybody used it yet for healing herniated discs (bottom of the spine) . My husband is
having quite a few herniated discs, and he always feels his back .It would be more than nice to find a solution for his problem.
One more question, it is just pain killer or can heal the disc as well ? Maybe its a stupid question, but Im searching for something what
really will heal the affected discs, thank you, Jaela
DMSO would probably help with some of the inflammation, but if your husband is experiencing
herniated disks on a regular basis then that seems to indicate that there's a larger source of
inflammation that he would need to fix. Have you read the 'Life Without Bread' thread? If he eats
wheat, dairy, processed foods, and other stuff in the Western diet, and if he's open to making some
serious changes to his diet, then he'll be amazed at the impact that such a change will have in both
healing his back and keeping the inflammation down.
After reading the commentaries I have to ask you if anybody used it yet for healing herniated discs (bottom of the spine) . My husband is
having quite a few herniated discs, and he always feels his back .It would be more than nice to find a solution for his problem.
What I did with mine was make a poultice of comfrey root and water - very thick - then added a a
couple teaspoons of pure DMSO liquid. I spread this on a gauze pad, had it taped to my back and
taped over that one of those activate heat compresses that last for 8 hours. Did this for about 4 days
running. THEN used the medical taping lumbar package technique. I was right as rain in a week.
Also VERY important to get off gluten and dairy and check for food sensitivities. Eating those things
can turn ON inflammation which can lead to herniated discs. I've had more than one... and I've
suffered unspeakable pain from them, been on high level drugs, had years of treatments, refused
surgery several times, and the above is the best thing I've ever done: diet, comfrey + DMSO. Also, I
do better with heat than ice.
Post by: jaela on July 11, 2011, 07:58:34 AM
Quote from: Laura on July 10, 2011, 10:35:35 PM
After reading the commentaries I have to ask you if anybody used it yet for healing herniated discs (bottom of the spine) . My husband
is having quite a few herniated discs, and he always feels his back .It would be more than nice to find a solution for his problem.
What I did with mine was make a poultice of comfrey root and water - very thick - then added a a couple teaspoons of pure DMSO
liquid. I spread this on a gauze pad, had it taped to my back and taped over that one of those activate heat compresses that last for 8
hours. Did this for about 4 days running. THEN used the medical taping lumbar package technique. I was right as rain in a week.
Also VERY important to get off gluten and dairy and check for food sensitivities. Eating those things can turn ON inflammation which can
lead to herniated discs. I've had more than one... and I've suffered unspeakable pain from them, been on high level drugs, had years of
treatments, refused surgery several times, and the above is the best thing I've ever done: diet, comfrey + DMSO. Also, I do better with
heat than ice.
Hello !
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Thanks for the advices, Laura do you think your back is healed now, the disk recovered, or you just
dont have pain ?
He is very fussy with the food, read lot of books about diets, so salads, fruits, beans, chicken,
everything fullcorn if its bread or pasta, musli this is what he is eating normally. Of course maybe this
is not the best diet for him especially. We live on a place where is very hot all year so our body is
asking for this fresh fruits and vegetables. Maybe it would be nice to eat a bit more animal fat, but
goats are not so fat here and thats the only thing what is local and fish.But thanks anyway,
I will try to find out where to buy the DMSO, probably I will use it for my tinnitus and my mothers
eyes as well.
Post by: 3D Student on July 12, 2011, 12:09:16 AM
Quote from: jaela on July 11, 2011, 07:58:34 AM
I will try to find out where to buy the DMSO, probably I will use it for my tinnitus and my mothers eyes as well.
Good luck with the DMSO. It is good stuff and useful for a lot of things as you know.
Post by: Gonzo on July 13, 2011, 01:14:47 AM
I'd like to echo Laura's comments on the poultice/compress, diet and heat.
After nearly 20 years suffering from several disk herniations, surgery and the various drugs the
specialists kept feeding me, I found the greatest relief from serious dietary change (the modified
ultra-simple diet, modified again to increase meat and animal fat, reducing carbs) and heat. DMSO
seemed to help calm the inflamed nerve and surrounding muscle tissue. And not enough can be said
about the kinesio taping that seems to have helped so many people.
I should add that stretching and exercise helps me avoid re-injury.
Healing a disk might not necessarily be one's ultimate goal. There's been a lot of evidence through
studying cadavers that many people have significant herniation but are symptom free. Neurologists
and back specialists are starting to rethink disk herniations and wondering if something else is at play
(e.g., hypersensitivity in nerves, dysfunctional pain response, etc.).
This has given me pause and I hope more specialists pick up on this. It is my experience that surgical
solutions are considered far to soon and far too often when so many other factors should be taken into
consideration.
For me, breaking the pain cycle stopped a chain reaction of muscle tension and both physical, mental
and emotional exhaustion that seemed to reduce the episodes of flareups and re-injury. Whatever
healthy way of breaking the pain cycle one can muster might be the first prong of a multi-pronged
approach.
However, I am not a doctor nor do I play one on television, but I do suggest reading as much as you
can on the dietary connection (both to neuropathies, connective tissue as well as mental state, since
pain perception is deeply influenced by mood), stretching, ice or heat therapy, natural pain relief,
stress reduction (I should have mentioned how the EE breathing program afforded my great relief,
especially on my bad days), exercise and taping as you deal with this excruciating and disabling
condition.
You and your partner have my deepest sympathies. Such pain takes its toll on both the one with the
nerve pain and those supporting him/her.
Gonzo
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Post by: Harold on July 16, 2011, 04:37:24 PM
Quick question if I may. Haven't read this thread in total, read quite a bit of it in the past.
I have been sucessfully using DMSO and want to put it on my moms knee's to start. She is on 5
prescription's and a couple supplements.
I do remember reading that it affects medications... I cant remember if it is orally or dermally(on the
skin) or both. I really want to go see her this weekend and have quite a bit to do around the house.
If I could get a bit of assistance with answering this question, I would really appreciate it.
My mom can't barley walk, has a titanium knee and arthritis pain all over. She moans and groans
constantly and appears to be in allot of pain.
Thank-you all.
Post by: Gaby on July 16, 2011, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: Harold on July 16, 2011, 04:37:24 PM
Quick question if I may. Haven't read this thread in total, read quite a bit of it in the past.
I have been sucessfully using DMSO and want to put it on my moms knee's to start. She is on 5 prescription's and a couple supplements.
I do remember reading that it affects medications... I cant remember if it is orally or dermally(on the skin) or both. I really want to go see
her this weekend and have quite a bit to do around the house.
It may enhance the effects and/or it may counteract the side effects of certain medications. If it's used
topically, is much safer. All in all, I think she will benefit from its topical use.
Post by: Harold on July 16, 2011, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: Psyche on July 16, 2011, 08:12:31 PM
It may enhance the effects and/or it may counteract the side effects of certain medications. If it's used topically, is much safer. All in all, I
think she will benefit from its topical use.
Thank-you Psyche. I'll try it on her knee first.
Post by: clau on July 28, 2011, 10:34:54 PM
Hello! When I was 22 years old the Doctors told me you have Arthritis. Now I have 27 years old. The
doctors gave me methotrexate and Azulfidine. The consequences were terribles. Liver inflammation,
hair loss, dark skin. About a two years ago the doctor told me I was in remsion and I suspens the
medicine. Now I have join pain again in my feets, knee and hands. My husband for a lot of time told
me you need to stop eating Gluten. I stop eating Gluten and dairy and I feel good, I lost weight and I
have more energy but I still have joint pain.
I have used one month the DMSO in my feet, knee, and hands and all it does reduce pain but no
inflammation. I put 2 or 3 times a day and only "sleeps" the pain and the next day the pain is the
same. Terrible.
So I dont know If this is normal or I have to be patient.
I used DMSO 70% distilled water 30%.
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Thank you!
Post by: anart on July 28, 2011, 10:42:31 PM
Quote from: clau on July 28, 2011, 10:34:54 PM
Hello! When I was 22 years old the Doctors told me you have Arthritis. Now I have 27 years old. The doctors gave me methotrexate
and Azulfidine. The consequences were terribles. Liver inflammation, hair loss, dark skin. About a two years ago the doctor told me I was
in remsion and I suspens the medicine. Now I have join pain again in my feets, knee and hands. My husband for a lot of time told me you
need to stop eating Gluten. I stop eating Gluten and dairy and I feel good, I lost weight and I have more energy but I still have joint pain.
I have used one month the DMSO in my feet, knee, and hands and all it does reduce pain but no inflammation. I put 2 or 3 times a day
and only "sleeps" the pain and the next day the pain is the same. Terrible.
So I dont know If this is normal or I have to be patient.
I used DMSO 70% distilled water 30%.
Thank you!
Hi Clau, while everyone is different, I do have a friend who is in her thirties and was on the
pharmaceutical medication for Rheumatoid Arthritis. She has now been off all medication for 6
months with very rare and very, very mild flare ups - by only changing her diet! Her pain was so bad
that she was on crutches for a while. She is strictly on the no gluten, no dairy, no sugar, no alcohol
and high fat and low carbohydrate diet - strictly! She also uses dmso and boswellia as well as
magnesium and vitamin C supplementation. She is doing very, very well but even a little sugar can
bring on a flare up, so she is very strict about her diet.
My point is that if you are still eating sugar, that might be a problem, so I think you should continue
to work on your diet. Here is also a thread on boswellia (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php
/topic,21599.msg226571.html#msg226571)that might help. Others will likely have more input,
though.
Quote from: Gonzo on July 13, 2011, 01:14:47 AM
For me, breaking the pain cycle stopped a chain reaction of muscle tension and both physical, mental and emotional exhaustion that
seemed to reduce the episodes of flareups and re-injury. Whatever healthy way of breaking the pain cycle one can muster might be the
first prong of a multi-pronged approach.
Gonzo, I'm SO glad to know that you've gotten some relief! For me, it's amazing to go literally
months on end without pain. Yeah, I mess up once in awhile but knowing how these things work, I'm
now able to suss out the cause pretty quick and I have the tools to get relief while I'm working it out.
The last bad episode was due to Stevia, believe it or not. Now I wouldn't touch that stuff with a ten
foot pole!
In a way, those of us who have fast reacting pain response to ingested substances may actually be
lucky because we have a warning system that can't be ignored. It's worse, I think, for the folks who
don't have that sort of reaction, but only have slowly building damage inside that causes something to
break down completely at some point, and then it is too late.
Post by: Donnay on July 29, 2011, 06:07:43 AM
This is an excellent thread filled with wonderful information!
I have been using DMSO for 30 plus years on and off. My grandfather was riddled with arthritis and
bursitis and his doctor recommended it, and that is when I learned about DMSO. We thought it was a
miracle, because little by little he got better and better. There was some controversy about it in the
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late 60's and 70's, if I recall, and it could only be sold as a prescription. Much to the chagrin of the
Pharmaceutical companies because they could not get an exclusive patent for DMSO.
DMSO Background Literature (http://www.dmso.org/articles/information/muir.htm)
Dimethyl sulfoxide (http://www.biosulf.org/1/pop65.htm)
Dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO) is the chemical compound with the formula (CH3)2SO. This
colorless liquid is an important polar aprotic solvent that dissolves both polar and nonpolar
compounds and is miscible in a wide range of organic solvents as well as water. It has a
distinctive property of penetrating the skin very readily, allowing the handler to taste it.
Some describe it as an "oyster-like" taste, others claim it tastes like garlic.
Contents
1 Production
2 Applications
2.1 Solvent
2.2 Reactions
2.3 Biology
2.4 Medicine
3 Safety
4 Popular culture
5 See also
6 References
Production
Dimethyl sulfoxide is a by-product of wood pulping. One of the leading suppliers of DMSO is the
Gaylord Chemical Corporation in the USA.
Applications
Solvent
DMSO is an important polar aprotic solvent. It is less toxic than other members of this class such as
dimethylformamide, dimethylacetamide, N-methyl-2-pyrrolidone, HMPA. Because of its excellent
solvating power, DMSO is frequently used as solvent for chemical reactions involving salts. Its polarity
accelerates reactions with charged transition states, such as SN2 alkylations of indoles and phenols.
Because DMSO is only weakly acidic, it tolerates relatively strong bases. A practical problem with
DMSO as a solvent is its high boiling point, thus its solutions are not typically evaporated. Instead,
reactions conducted in DMSO are often diluted with water to isolate organic products. DMSO is an
effective paint stripper, being safer than many of the others such as nitromethane and
dichloromethane.
In its deuterated form, i.e. DMSO-d6, it is a useful and inexpensive solvent for NMR spectroscopy,
again due to its ability to dissolve a wide range of analytes and its own simple spectrum.
Disadvantages to the use of DMSO-d6 are its high viscosity, which broadens signals, and high boiling
point, which interferes with sample recovery from the NMR solvent. Often it is used with
deuterochloroform, because the 1:1 mixture has a low viscosity.
Reactions
The sulfur center in DMSO is nucleophilic toward soft electrophiles and the oxygen is nucleophilic
toward hard electrophiles. The methyl groups of DMSO are somewhat acidic in character (pKa=35)
due to the stabilization of the resultant carbanion by the S(O)R group.
DMSO reacts with methyl iodide to form a sulfoxonium salt [(CH3)3SO]I, which can be deprotonated
with sodium hydride to form the sulfur ylide:
(CH3)2SO + CH3I [(CH3)3SO]I
[(CH3)3SO]I + NaH [(CH3)2CH2SO + NaI + H2
In organic synthesis, DMSO is used as an oxidant,[1], such as the Pfitzner-Moffatt oxidation and the
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Swern oxidation.[2]
Products of ozonolysis, trioxolanes, are quenched with dimethyl sulfide to produce aldehydes and
DMSO.
Biology
DMSO is used in the PCR reaction to inhibit secondary structures in the DNA template or the DNA
primers. It is added to the PCR mix before reacting, where it interferes with the self-complementarity
of the DNA, allowing otherwise troublesome reactions to occur. However, use of DMSO in PCR
increases the mutation rate.
Medicine
In cryobiology DMSO has been used as a cryoprotectant and is still an important constituent of
cryoprotectant vitrification mixtures used to preserve organs, tissues, and cell suspensions. Without it,
up to 90 percent of frozen cells will become inactive. It is particularly important in the freezing and
long-term storage of embryonic stem cells and hematopoietic stem cells, which are often frozen in a
mixture of 10% DMSO and 90% fetal calf serum. As part of an autologous bone marrow transplant
the DMSO is re-infused along with the patient's own hematopoietic stem cells.
Use of DMSO in medicine dates from around 1963, when a University of Oregon Medical
School team, headed by Stanley Jacob, discovered it could penetrate the skin and other
membranes without damaging them and could carry other compounds into a biological
system.
In a 1978 study at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation in Cleveland, Ohio, researchers concluded that
DMSO brought significant relief to the majority of the 213 patients with inflammatory genitourinary
disorders that were studied. They recommended DMSO for all inflammatory conditions not caused by
infection or tumor in which symptoms were severe or patients failed to respond to conventional
therapy.
Some people report an onion- or garlic-like taste after touching DMSO. (Onion and garlic also derive
their stinginess from sulfoxides syn-propanethial-S-oxide and allicin.) In the medical field DMSO is
predominantly used as a topical analgesic, a vehicle for topical application of pharmaceuticals, as an
anti-inflammatory and an antioxidant. It has been examined for the treatment of numerous conditions
and ailments. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved DMSO usage only for the
palliative treatment of interstitial cystitis. Also, DMSO is commonly used in the veterinary field as a
liniment for horses.
Because DMSO increases the rate of absorption of some compounds through organic tissues
including skin, it can be used as a drug delivery system.
Dimethyl sulfoxide dissolves a variety of organic substances, including carbohydrates, polymers,
peptides, as well as many inorganic salts and gases. Loading levels of 50-60 wt. % are often observed
vs 10-20 wt. % with typical solvents. For this reason DMSO plays a role in sample management and
High-throughput screening operations in drug design [3].
Safety
MSDS recommends wearing safety glasses because DMSO can cause chronic damage to the
eyes.[4] Glove selection is also important when working with DMSO. Thick rubber gloves
are recommended, and nitrile gloves, which are very commonly used in chemical
laboratories, have been found to dissolve rapidly with exposure to DMSO[5]. Because DMSO
easily penetrates the skin, substances dissolved in DMSO may be quickly absorbed. For
instance, a solution of sodium cyanide in DMSO can cause cyanide poisoning through skin
contact. DMSO by itself has low toxicity.[6] Dimethyl sulfoxide can produce an explosive
reaction when exposed to acid chlorides; at a low temperature, this reaction produces the
oxidant for Swern oxidation.
Recently, it was found that DMSO waste disposal into sewers can cause environmental odor problems
in cities: Waste water bacteria transform DMSO under hypoxic (anoxic) conditions into dimethyl
sulfide (DMS) that is slightly toxic and has a strong disagreeable odor, similar to rotten cabbage. [7].
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Popular culture
60 minutes featured a segment on March 23rd 1980 about DMSO entitled "The Riddle of DMSO."
The Dead Kennedys released a song titled, "D.M.S.O." on their 1986 album Bedtime for Democracy.
Tom Wolfe discusses DMSO being mixed with LSD in the The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test.[8]
In the novel White Oleander, Ingrid poisons her ex-boyfriend with a combination of DMSO and
oleander sap.
A distillation of boomslang venom is combined with dimethyl sulfoxide to create a contact
poison that is the murder weapon in an episode of Quincy, ME.
See also
Methylsulfonylmethane (MSM), a related chemical often used as a dietary supplement
Dimethyl sulfate (DMS), a mutagenic alkylating compound
References
^ Epstein W.W., Sweat F.W. (1967). "Dimethyl Sulfoxide Oxidations". Chemical Reviews 67: 247-260.
DOI:10.1021/cr60247a001.
^ Tidwell, T.T. (1990). "Oxidation of Alcohols by Activated Dimethyl Sulfoxide and Related Reactions:
An Update". Synthesis 1990: 857-870. DOI:10.1055/s-1990-27036.
^ Balakin, K. V., Savchuk, N. P., Tetko I. V. (2006). "In silico approaches to prediction of aqueous and
DMSO solubility of drug-like compounds: trends, problems and solutions)". Current Medicinal
Chemistry 13 (2). DOI:10.2174/092986706775197917.
^ Safety data for methyl sulfoxide. Oxford University.
^ Chemical Hygiene Plan. Cornell University (Sep 99).
^ Vignes, Robert (August 2000). Dimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO): A "new" clean, unique, superior solvent,
American Chemical Society Annual Meeting
^ Glindemann, D., Novak, J., Witherspoon, J. (2006). "Dimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO) Waste Residues
and Municipal Waste Water Odor by Dimethyl Sulfide (DMS): the North-East WPCP Plant of
Philadelphia.". Environmental Science and Technology 40 (1): 202-207.
DOI:S0013-936X(05)01312-X 10.1021/es051312a S0013-936X(05)01312-X.
^ Wolfe, Tom (1968). The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, pp. 381. New York: Bantam Books. ISBN
0-553-038064-8
Post by: Donnay on July 29, 2011, 06:13:54 AM
I wanted to add this video:
D.M.S.O. - THE DEAD KENNEDYS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_NsMzRp_zc
Post by: Gonzo on August 04, 2011, 02:43:28 PM
Yes, Laura, perhaps it is a blessing to be so reactive that you are forced to identify the culprits and
deal with them, thus sparing the slow-building, long-term damage those less reactive might
experience. I'm always looking for the silver lining, so that's a great one to hold onto.
There are still a few things I haven't been able to figure out, which I wonder might be due to the
transitory nature of some allergies. It seems the more I change the more my body changes. What
works today might cause problems tomorrow. As a result, I certainly am more in tune with my body,
paying attention to what goes in my mouth, ears and eyes (as well as what comes out). I definitely
would not be like this were it not for being so reactive.
Gonzo
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Quote from: Gonzo on August 04, 2011, 02:43:28 PM
Yes, Laura, perhaps it is a blessing to be so reactive that you are forced to identify the culprits and deal with them, thus sparing the
slow-building, long-term damage those less reactive might experience. I'm always looking for the silver lining, so that's a great one to
hold onto.
There are still a few things I haven't been able to figure out, which I wonder might be due to the transitory nature of some allergies. It
seems the more I change the more my body changes. What works today might cause problems tomorrow. As a result, I certainly am
more in tune with my body, paying attention to what goes in my mouth, ears and eyes (as well as what comes out). I definitely would
not be like this were it not for being so reactive.
Gonzo
Are you reading the "Life Without Bread" thread? It seems that one has to heal the leaky gut with
concentrated attention first of all (after becoming gluten, dairy and mostly carb free), and this can
take a year.
Yes, I've been following it with great interest. I was trying to count back when I first started the
elimination diet and it seems to be almost a year, but I think I set myself back by having small
amounts of wheat or corn flour in foods a few times a few months back.
I think I still need more magnesium as my muscles are occasionally in spasm. I take approx 750mg
mag citrate (split between morning and afternoon) with calcium citrate, so I didn't think I'd be able to
take more. I'm also wondering about potassium but didn't want to eat bananas as I've all but stopped
eating fruit.
Gonzo
Post by: Pete on September 05, 2011, 12:28:09 PM
I was thinking about starting a daily regimen of activated charcoal and was wondering if this would
affect my dmso treatment. I only drink dmso once a week right now (on my days off due to body odor)
and I was wondering if I should wait a day or two after taking dmso before I take the activated
charcoal or if it would be okay to take them both the same day? I'm not sure if dmso would help the
charcoal do its job or if the two would actually attract each other and not work as well. I did a quick
search but didn't come up with anything yet. Does anyone know offhand?
Post by: Masamune on September 05, 2011, 01:32:32 PM
Just FWIW, I recently talked with my chiropractor, who has been in the alternative health field for 25
years dealing with all types of supplements and health issues, about DMSO. I had wanted to start
using it and brought a 50% solution in to get it muscle tested for external use along with the other
supplements I have been taking. He became very serious when I asked about it and he said that he
has not seen good results with it. He didn't go into too much detail but he said that it is just too risky
with the way it transfers anything on the skin into the body. One would have to be extremely
cautious with what is on the skin where the DMSO was used, using soap with no additives and making
sure the skin is completely clean. He was very firm in recommending that I not use it and it did not
muscle test for me. I don't have any more information about what he has seen it do to his patients
but I can ask him at a future time.
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Post by: Lilou on September 05, 2011, 04:14:37 PM
Quote from: Masamune on September 05, 2011, 01:32:32 PM
Just FWIW, I recently talked with my chiropractor, who has been in the alternative health field for 25 years dealing with all types of
supplements and health issues, about DMSO. I had wanted to start using it and brought a 50% solution in to get it muscle tested for
external use along with the other supplements I have been taking. He became very serious when I asked about it and he said that he has
not seen good results with it. He didn't go into too much detail but he said that it is just too risky with the way it transfers anything on
the skin into the body. One would have to be extremely cautious with what is on the skin where the DMSO was used, using soap with no
additives and making sure the skin is completely clean. He was very firm in recommending that I not use it and it did not muscle test for
me. I don't have any more information about what he has seen it do to his patients but I can ask him at a future time.
I used to be very leery of DMSO, because it does cross the blood brain barrier and it will carry other
substances along with it. But after researching it and using it, I now highly recommend it. Just
recently, I had a tooth abscess for no good reason. I discovered it when it was just starting to get
"tender". I immediately dissolved amoxicillin powder in a 50% DMSO solution and applied it topically
to the gum. I did this a couple of times a day until I could get to the dentist (10 days later) and get it
taken care of (root canal). I had no pain at all and the abscess decreased in size. The dentist was so
surprised I was not taking oral antibiotics and pain meds. I told him about the DMSO and he was
impressed.
So I wouldn't discount DMSO because of this one chiroprator. He is probably afraid of being sued for
recommending an "unapproved" remedy. Perhaps at your next visit he will share why he feels the
results are not good? In my experience, I find the results are excellent. I don't use it daily, I only
use it when there is a good reason for it - because it is very potent stuff!
Post by: Gaby on September 05, 2011, 07:42:56 PM
Quote from: Pete on September 05, 2011, 12:28:09 PM
I was thinking about starting a daily regimen of activated charcoal and was wondering if this would affect my dmso treatment. I only drink
dmso once a week right now (on my days off due to body odor) and I was wondering if I should wait a day or two after taking dmso
before I take the activated charcoal or if it would be okay to take them both the same day? I'm not sure if dmso would help the charcoal
do its job or if the two would actually attract each other and not work as well. I did a quick search but didn't come up with anything yet.
Does anyone know offhand?
I would stop taking DMSO orally and just use it topically. You can concentrate on your charcoal detox
and you'll still get the benefits of the DMSO when used topically. Just make sure the skin area is clean
and if it irritates too much, use a the rose cream DMSO version which is very gentle and soothing.
Post by: SAO on September 05, 2011, 08:01:42 PM
Any thought on this one:
_http://www.herbalremedies.com/dmsodimcream.html
I tried it, it is very gentle on sensitive skin as it's a 50% solution, but I am not so confident I like the
rather long list of ingredients.
Quote from: SAO on September 05, 2011, 08:01:42 PM
Any thought on this one:
_http://www.herbalremedies.com/dmsodimcream.html
I tried it, it is very gentle on sensitive skin as it's a 50% solution, but I am not so confident I like the rather long list of ingredients.
We've used that one, is pretty good. But our favorite one is this one: _http://www.google.com
/products/catalog?q=rose+cream+DMSO&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-
a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=3572381192111749547&sa=X&ei=oTVlTvSfLKfg4QS-tqzCCg&
ved=0CDoQ8wIwAQ
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Post by: SAO on September 06, 2011, 12:01:57 AM
Cool, I'll pick that one up, it sounds pleasant and probably packs a stronger punch as it's 70%.
Post by: Pete on September 06, 2011, 01:33:23 AM
Quote from: Psyche on September 05, 2011, 07:42:56 PM
Quote from: Pete on September 05, 2011, 12:28:09 PM
I was thinking about starting a daily regimen of activated charcoal and was wondering if this would affect my dmso treatment. I only
drink dmso once a week right now (on my days off due to body odor) and I was wondering if I should wait a day or two after taking
dmso before I take the activated charcoal or if it would be okay to take them both the same day? I'm not sure if dmso would help the
charcoal do its job or if the two would actually attract each other and not work as well. I did a quick search but didn't come up with
anything yet. Does anyone know offhand?
I would stop taking DMSO orally and just use it topically. You can concentrate on your charcoal detox and you'll still get the benefits of the
DMSO when used topically. Just make sure the skin area is clean and if it irritates too much, use a the rose cream DMSO version which is
very gentle and soothing.
Thanks Psyche, sounds good. :) I actually already have the rose scented version (same one your
talking about, 70% red and gold label) but mine doesn't have the aloe vera in it. I'll stick to using the
dmso when needed from now on and work on the charcoal instead. It's much easier to swallow too! :P
Post by: Divide By Zero on September 06, 2011, 09:25:32 PM
_http://www.supplementwarehouse.com/search.asp?strSearch=dmso&submit2=Go!
Great prices and they have many different types. Last order I got the liquid, rose scented creme, and
the gel version. I haven't used the gel version yet.
Post by: Jonathan on September 09, 2011, 02:31:38 PM
Quote from: Divide By Zero on September 06, 2011, 09:25:32 PM
_http://www.supplementwarehouse.com/search.asp?strSearch=dmso&submit2=Go!
Great prices and they have many different types. Last order I got the liquid, rose scented creme, and the gel version. I haven't used the
gel version yet.
Fwiw I have been using the gel version to treat chronic neck and shoulder pain resulting from some
sports injuries back in the day (as well as spending most of my adult life on a computer). Diet
correction has taken care of a lot of the inflammation but DMSO is also really doing the trick. I still
get some snap-crackle-pop throughout the day but the pain is about 95% gone. I have only been
using it for about a week now and the difference was remarkable on the first day, and continues to be.
Post by: Laura on September 09, 2011, 03:09:03 PM
Quote from: Jonathan on September 09, 2011, 02:31:38 PM
Fwiw I have been using the gel version to treat chronic neck and shoulder pain resulting from some sports injuries back in the day (as well
as spending most of my adult life on a computer). Diet correction has taken care of a lot of the inflammation but DMSO is also really
doing the trick. I still get some snap-crackle-pop throughout the day but the pain is about 95% gone. I have only been using it for about
a week now and the difference was remarkable on the first day, and continues to be.
That's been my experience also. I can control/eliminate 80 to 95% of pain simply by diet, but for the
other aches or stiffness that I guess is normal for somebody pushing 60, DMSO and taping does the
trick.
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Post by: Ellipse on September 09, 2011, 03:48:28 PM
Quote from: Laura on September 09, 2011, 03:09:03 PM
That's been my experience also. I can control/eliminate 80 to 95% of pain simply by diet, but for the other aches or stiffness that I guess
is normal for somebody pushing 60, DMSO and taping does the trick.
If I understand well, you put the tape on the DMSO. Won't the glue of the tape go into the body?
Quote from: Ellipse on September 09, 2011, 03:48:28 PM
Quote from: Laura on September 09, 2011, 03:09:03 PM
That's been my experience also. I can control/eliminate 80 to 95% of pain simply by diet, but for the other aches or stiffness that I
guess is normal for somebody pushing 60, DMSO and taping does the trick.
If I understand well, you put the tape on the DMSO. Won't the glue of the tape go into the body?
No. Separate activities. Use tape OR DMSO, not both together.
Post by: Ellipse on September 09, 2011, 04:21:11 PM
OK, now I understand, thanks.
Post by: Gonzo on September 09, 2011, 11:07:08 PM
Hi Masamune,
Your chiro is right in that DMSO can be dangerous, but that doesn't mean it should be avoided.
Rather, one should use it cautiously, in an informed way. Much the way one would use an automobile.
There's no shortage of chiropractors who have no problem injecting DMSO into the bloodstream as
chellation therapy, and yet they hesitate in topical applications. Many of them also think that we
should avoid saturated fats and eat more veggies.
We have to be knowledgeable to take the good information and ignore the nonsense, whether the
source be a doctor, a nutritionist, a chiropractor or even a channeled entity.
I was using DMSO dangerously, since I was using a topical lidocaine cream and then DMSO in the
ignorant hope that the DMSO would help transfer the lidocaine along the nerve that was causing me
much grief. However, it was thankfully pointed out to me in this thread that having lidocaine in the
bloodstream could have tragic consequences. My rush to relief coupled with ignorance put my health
at risk.
Knowledge protects - ignorance could be deadly.
Gonzo
Post by: KingTiger on September 12, 2011, 02:09:37 AM
I just tried using DMSO by taking 10ml with orange juice for 4 days. I can not believe what an
amazing detoxifier it is! I begun to immediately secrete built-up toxins through my pours.
It was not too long after I started this regimen, that my wife noticed my smell! and after 4 days,
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people from work began to notice a mystery smell in the office. After I told my coworkers I was
detoxing using DMSO and admitted the smell can from me (the smell, too me was not that bad), I was
told not to take DMSO if I wanted to come into work.
Has anyone in the forum used DMSO internally and ran into this issue before? If so, how can I use
this stuff to begin my detoxification program without the smell or could I cover it up somehow?
Doing the research of this solution has lead me to understand that this is a needed substance for
proper detoxification of the body. Just like using a solvent for cleaning internal parts of our
technology, this is for the body. It helps the biological mechanism to be cleaned and work the way it
should. I did even noticed I was loosing weight, just by taking 10 ml of DMSO for only four days!
It seemed that my cells and other physical operations like the processing of stored fats, foods and
digestion the way it is suppose to work.
I would like to continue the detox of my body and begin a proper diet. Because my little experiment
allowed me to feel much better to, how better I would be able to think and meditate without being
burden by my toxic past.
Post by: anart on September 12, 2011, 02:19:16 AM
You don't notice the smell as much because it is you that smells. Usually, we advise only using it on
the weekends if you work in an environment where smelling like rotten asparagus is an issue (which
is most environments). ;)
Quote from: KingTiger on September 12, 2011, 02:09:37 AM
I would like to continue the detox of my body and begin a proper diet. Because my little experiment allowed me to feel much better to,
how better I would be able to think and meditate without being burden by my toxic past.
Please read the entire thread and get educated before going off half-cocked and doing stuff!
Post by: drygol on October 21, 2011, 08:13:37 AM
:D :D :D
As usual in my case being impatient backfired on me , I didn't read whole thread before I started to
take DMSO oraly :D :D (which is not smart btw. )
People at work complain for a week so far that something stinks :D they started to move computers
around and clean everything around to find out whats stinking :D
I guess that is the only positive effect on others , they start to clean everything around themselves.
Yesterday I finished reading this thread and now I know whats that stink ..... thats me LOL :D
good its is Friday today :D I`ll be stinking on my own at home haha :D
Post by: dant on October 21, 2011, 05:00:23 PM
DMSO, Notes to self: (A limited compendium)
1) If people are looking at you with their hand
pinching their their nose, maybe you do stink!
2) If something stinks, but the stink seems
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to follow you around, maybe you do stink!
3) If someone sprays Febreze air freshener all
around or over you, maybe you do stink!
4) To warn others of approaching smells, wear a
garlic ring! Best done during 'All Hallows Day'.
5) If you find yourself at the center of a ring,
and people are staring at you at a distance
with squinted eyes and closed noses, maybe
you do stink!
:lol:
Fixed: (2), dropped "I"
Post by: curious_richard on October 21, 2011, 05:57:39 PM
6) If someone asks, "Did someone open a can of oysters?", then maybe you stink. (true story)
Post by: Gonzo on October 21, 2011, 07:18:16 PM
Yeah, one can learn the hard way, through feedback or through the experiences of others. I imagine
you'd now be quick to warn others who might be interested in experimenting with DMSO.
It's actually rather remarkable how we cannot seem to know when we stink. The odours created by
DMSO are even stranger that no one can actually pinpoint the source.
When I apply it locally, I almost immediately get a taste of asparagus in my mouth. Within minutes,
someone near me (I only use it at home) starts to notice a rotting garlic/asparagus smell and, since
they now know the connection to DMSO, start sending me glares. Even the dogs sometimes leave the
room.
Out of courtesy, its use should be limited to lead-lined rooms, single-occupant caves and areas
populated strictly by those with severe nasal congestion. It asks a lot of love, patience and
understanding from those around and I am most grateful to my loving, patient and understanding
partner for letting me apply it before bed.
Gonzo
Post by: drygol on October 21, 2011, 11:12:00 PM
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It's actually rather remarkable how we cannot seem to know when we stink. The odours created by DMSO are even stranger that no one
can actually pinpoint the source.
My problem is that I have constant sinuses inflammation that limits my smell , that even makes it
harder to notice :D
But I completely agree , all people around where like ants in a maze , they could not figure out from
where this smell comes until I told them that I figured out that it might be me. :lol:
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Quote from: drygol on October 21, 2011, 11:12:00 PM
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It's actually rather remarkable how we cannot seem to know when we stink. The odours created by DMSO are even stranger that no
one can actually pinpoint the source.
My problem is that I have constant sinuses inflammation that limits my smell , that even makes it harder to notice :D
But I completely agree , all people around where like ants in a maze , they could not figure out from where this smell comes until I told
them that I figured out that it might be me. :lol:
Are you on the paleo diet? Getting your fix of coconut oil, vit c, magnesium, and omega 3? I had
constant sinus blockages and the new diet + supplements seems to have gotten rid of whatever
inflammatory foods were causing it. Also, have you tried applying dmso to your nose (external), and
maybe even to a lesser extent right up your nose? You'd need a gentle solution (50% dmso or less). I
tried this in the past and I think it helped:
http://www.herbalremedies.com/dmsodimcream.html (it's gentle on the face)
Post by: Odyssey on October 21, 2011, 11:27:28 PM
My problem is that I have constant sinuses inflammation that limits my smell , that even makes it harder to notice :D
But I completely agree , all people around where like ants in a maze , they could not figure out from where this smell comes until I told
them that I figured out that it might be me. :lol:
To echo SAO, I would also ask what your diet is like.
I've had sinus congestion before and doing a nasal bath with DMSO did the trick. That was before
starting paleo. Since then I haven't had any congestion.
Post by: Divide By Zero on October 21, 2011, 11:55:37 PM
One time a co worker thought that there was a natural gas leak. I was helping him look for it, then
realized that I had taken some DMSO orally! I told him that I spilled some chemical on myself earlier
that day and chose not to take DMSO orally during the work week after that, lol.
Quote
Are you on the paleo diet? Getting your fix of coconut oil, vit c, magnesium, and omega 3? I had constant sinus blockages and the new
diet + supplements seems to have gotten rid of whatever inflammatory foods were causing it. Also, have you tried applying dmso to
your nose (external), and maybe even to a lesser extent right up your nose? You'd need a gentle solution (50% dmso or less). I tried this
in the past and I think it helped:
http://www.herbalremedies.com/dmsodimcream.html (it's gentle on the face)
Yes , Pretty much I am on paleo-diet and on supplements as well. Sometimes when I have no other
option , I eat 'evil-foods'.
I`ll try to apply DMSO on my nose like you suggested but gotta do it on weekend :D
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I told him that I spilled some chemical on myself earlier that day and chose not to take DMSO orally during the work week after that, lol.
lolz :D , I decided to play with DMSO on weekends too :D
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Yes , Pretty much I am on paleo-diet and on supplements as well. Sometimes when I have no other option , I eat 'evil-foods'.
Then you are NOT on the paleo diet. You might as well NOT waste your money on good food and
supplements if you are going to eat "evil foods" even occasionally. As Gedgaudas points out: it's like
being pregnant, either you are or you aren't, there is no "almost" or "just a little". There is no point
in using DMSO for anything as long as you are eating "evil foods" now and then either. It takes 6
months to clear gluten and dairy reactions from the system. If you have gone 5 months and then eat
some, you have re-started the clock and extended your time of clearing to 11 months.
Post by: Ghostdoghaiku on October 24, 2011, 05:29:26 AM
The reason that that distilled water is used, is that DMSO is technically a solvent and it will transport
many chemicals into your body. So, you have to be careful about using it with other things, like
impure water.
Although distilled water is also demineralized water, not all demineralized water is distilled. There are
a number of processes that can be used to demineralize water, including: distillation, deionization,
membrane filtration (reverse osmosis or nanofiltration), electrodyalisis and other technologies. I'm
not sure on whether it's absolutely necessary to mix it with distilled water and not just demineralized
water.
One thing that I am sure of is that you also should never put cloth on top of it, that might be made of
synthetic materials. It's powerful enough to leech some of their chemicals into your bloodstream.
Wait about 15 or 20 minutes before putting on synthetic clothes over the area that you've treated
with the DMSO.
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Then you are NOT on the paleo diet. You might as well NOT waste your money on good food and supplements if you are going to eat
"evil foods" even occasionally. As Gedgaudas points out: it's like being pregnant, either you are or you aren't, there is no "almost" or
"just a little". There is no point in using DMSO for anything as long as you are eating "evil foods" now and then either. It takes 6 months
to clear gluten and dairy reactions from the system. If you have gone 5 months and then eat some, you have re-started the clock and
extended your time of clearing to 11 months.
I know :( it is just super hard while alone and when everybody around look at you like you are a
freak. Anyway , changing food habits already affected me deeply. I am still working towards better
day to day plan of eating because it seems this is the hardest part to overcome where I live.
Post by: Laura on October 24, 2011, 08:39:34 AM
Quote from: drygol on October 24, 2011, 07:18:26 AM
I know :( it is just super hard while alone and when everybody around look at you like you are a freak. Anyway , changing food habits
already affected me deeply. I am still working towards better day to day plan of eating because it seems this is the hardest part to
overcome where I live.
Why do you allow what other people think to bother you? They are the ones poisoning themselves.
Why don't you just say something like "if I eat that, it will give me a stomach ache..." or something
like that? What is so freakish about eating meats and fats and a few modest veggies? Do you make a
big deal out of it or just do it quietly and discreetly? Or just say "I'm not hungry... I'm still stuffed
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from my previous meal" when offered foods that are not good for you? Or say "I don't LIKE that..." or
whatever.
Oh , by that I meant that very often I refuse to eat a lot of 'evil foods' that everyone else eats. Either
because it is gluten stuffed or because of other precessed food chemicals included. It turns out that
nearly everything that people around eat is complete rubbish. Because I am on this diet crusade alone
, in terms of people around me , including family and closest friends , it makes it kinda hard to keep
on a right track. I don't really care what other people think about me , but it is waaay harder with
family.
For example , everyday , either my wife or mom asks If I want to eat this or that and most of the time
I have to refuse. And yes I told them bazilion times that I shouldn't eat it and they should quit eating
it too. Unfortunately it is like hitting a wall.
When I have a bad luck , I don't eat at all for a day. It is caused by different situations. When I come
back from work and its late evening and I see stuff like yellow cheese on a bread with margarine , I
simply go to sleep hungry. Next day in a morning I am super hungry and I have to eat 'something'. I
am aware of a vicious circle I am in , and I am slowly figuring out how to get out of it. It just takes
time.
Anyway I keep on working on this whole case and I don't even think about loosing this match , not
after all I went through :D
For example , everyday , either my wife or mom asks If I want to eat this or that and most of the time I have to refuse. And yes I told
them bazilion times that I shouldn't eat it and they should quit eating it too. Unfortunately it is like hitting a wall.
That's your problem: you are doing it as a "I'm righteous" thing rather than being externally
considerate and just saying "don't like it... don't want to eat it..." and not passing judgment on them
by your "diet crusade".
When I have a bad luck , I don't eat at all for a day. It is caused by different situations. When I come back from work and its late evening
and I see stuff like yellow cheese on a bread with margarine , I simply go to sleep hungry.
If you can eat eggs, why not make some scrambled eggs? Why don't you let people know you dislike
cheese, bread gives you bloat, and you only like meat and limited veggies. Heck, create an OCD
picky-eater persona and just get into the role?
Post by: Gimpy on October 24, 2011, 12:19:56 PM
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When I have a bad luck , I don't eat at all for a day. It is caused by different situations. When I come back from work and its late evening
and I see stuff like yellow cheese on a bread with margarine , I simply go to sleep hungry. Next day in a morning I am super hungry and I
have to eat 'something'. I am aware of a vicious circle I am in , and I am slowly figuring out how to get out of it. It just takes time.
Sounds like lack of planning to me. There is no reason for you to starve yourself, once you plan out
what it is you need to eat.
I'm actually allergic to most grains and beans, so that is what I tell people: "Can't eat it, I'm allergic."
I think it might be good if you sat down and made time to take care of cooking your own food, so
there is no reason anyone else needs to do it for you. Crock pots help me out a lot with this, so does
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cooking beef patties with bacon ahead of time, so that if I'm too tired to cook, its easy to pull one out
of the refrigerator and eat it.
:flowers:
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Sounds like lack of planning to me.
Yes , definitely. Thanks for suggestion guys.
Actually by some sort of weird coincidence I prepared bacon for today breakfast at work :D
So I am slowly grasping it all.
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Sounds like lack of planning to me.
Yes , definitely. Thanks for suggestion guys.
Actually by some sort of weird coincidence I prepared bacon for today breakfast at work :D
So I am slowly grasping it all.
It's like driving and awareness... when you first start doing it, (driving), it takes all your
concentration. Then, after awhile, you get used to it and you just do it naturally. Same with
awareness; at first, it seems to take all your concentration, but after awhile, you just accommodate it
and do it naturally. Same with taking care of what you eat.
And in the process, you actually GROW a LOT in many ways, including increasing your brain synapses!
Post by: Lilou on November 13, 2011, 04:14:00 PM
I continue to be amazed by DMSO - it really is great stuff! I just wanted to share my latest
experience with it. This past week at work, I was having a bit of trouble with one of my contact
lenses. It kept rotating in my eye, making the astigmatism off axis - and as a consequence - my
vision was blurry. To fix it, I kept manually rotating the lense back into position - with my unwashed
finger! By the time I arrived home, I had the start of nice eye infection.
To remedy this, I applied some antibiotic/steroid ointment to the eye a couple of times. By morning,
the eye was no better, in fact, it was worse! I then considered it was viral, and the steroid was only
helping the virus to flourish. So I gathered my courage and mixed up 20% DMSO with some sterile
saline. I applied the DMSO with a Q-tip to the eye. Oh man, does that stuff sting!!!! But only for a
few seconds. So it is tolerable.
To my surprise, with just 2 applications, all sign of infection and discomfort totally disappeared. I was
always afraid to use DMSO in my eye, but now, I am totally convinced. This stuff is like a "magic
bullet". Too bad I can't (legally) prescribe it for my patients.
Post by: Laura on November 13, 2011, 05:36:21 PM
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Quote from: Lilou on November 13, 2011, 04:14:00 PM
To my surprise, with just 2 applications, all sign of infection and discomfort totally disappeared. I was always afraid to use DMSO in my
eye, but now, I am totally convinced. This stuff is like a "magic bullet". Too bad I can't (legally) prescribe it for my patients.
Actually, at that dilution, it only stings if the eye is inflamed; it doesn't sting at all if the eye is well!
It also works best with a dropper! I put a couple drops in each eye, close the lids and roll my eyeballs
around.
Post by: Lilou on November 14, 2011, 02:14:31 AM
Quote from: Laura on November 13, 2011, 05:36:21 PM
Actually, at that dilution, it only stings if the eye is inflamed; it doesn't sting at all if the eye is well! It also works best with a dropper! I
put a couple drops in each eye, close the lids and roll my eyeballs around.
My eye was definitely inflammed, because it stung pretty good. I'll have to order a glass dropper
bottle just for this. Dr. Morton says it prevents cataracts. So if it doesn't usually sting, I may give it a
go as a regular routine. I was thinking just doing it once a week. Do you think that is often enough?
And does the DMSO put out the same body odor when administered via the eye? I can't go to work
smelling funny.
Post by: Lilou on June 28, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
I have another amazing story with DMSO. My friend went to Washington DC recently on a family
vacation. They rented a bicycle built for eight of all things ( http://www.youtube.com
/watch?v=Gnt5miel4D4 ) I didn't know such a contraption existed!
She was in sandals and stood up to give the pedal an extra push, her foot slipped and she came down
hard, top of her foot slamming into the pedal - breaking bones in the top of her foot. She went to the
hospital and was given a "boot" to wear and then continued follow up with a doctor here at home.
She stopped by a week ago, saying her doctor wanted to give her a cortisone injection, in her foot!
Ouch. I highly advised her NOT to do that, unless she wanted to be off work for another week or
more. Instead I suggested DMSO. I applied 70% DMSO to her foot and gave her a small jar of 70%
DMSO gel to take with her.
She saw her doctor yesterday. All the inflammation is gone, the bones are nearly healed and she is
no longer wearing the boot. Her doctor was so shocked and asked, "Did you go for alternative
medicine?" She did not "out me", but simply said a friend had given her some lotion to put on it.
The doctor said he has never seen an injury like hers heal so fast, (in his 30 years of practice!) saying
it usually takes at least 6 months. :rolleyes:
This stuff is totally awesome! Everyone should keep this in their medicine cabinet. :cool2:
Post by: Laura on June 28, 2012, 05:18:47 PM
Quote from: Lilou on June 28, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
This stuff is totally awesome! Everyone should keep this in their medicine cabinet. :cool2:
I agree. And if you travel, don't leave home without it and a roll of kinesio tape.
Post by: LadyRodgers on July 11, 2012, 09:19:09 PM
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I'm curious if anyone has used DMSO for pancreatitis? topical or internal.
Quote from: LadyRodgers on July 11, 2012, 09:19:09 PM
I'm curious if anyone has used DMSO for pancreatitis? topical or internal.
Pancreatitis! Yikes! That's a word that strikes fear in my heart! I've had some of the worst attacks
imaginable. Terrible pain. No, I didn't use DMSO for it because I haven't had an attack since I
changed my diet back in 2008 and it's only been since then that I've started using DMSO in various
ways. It certainly MIGHT help if you are in the midst of an attack, but it would be better if you
avoided the attack altogether. I would probably try it, but that's me. I'm just glad I don't have to.
I've had 4 or 5 attacks since a little over a year ago. At which time I started the gluten free and did
feel better for months and then another attack... anywho so much to tell... I ended up doing a
gallbladder cleanse which helped alot and then did a second one a few weeks later. after this last
attack again did another cleanse since it sounds like i'm getting a stone stuck in my bile duct but this
time very few tiny stones... I"m hoping its the last flush needed for a while! AND YES! the attacks are
Very painful!
I've been pretty good on the diet and supplements... but if I have another attack i'm thinking that
DMSO might help the inflamation.
So dr says no fat... but... i don't know...
it seems like the stones starting expelling after i changed to gluten free and more organic meat, could
this be true? please send me your thoughts on this.
thanks.
Post by: LadyRodgers on July 12, 2012, 12:35:46 AM
ok just came across this article which kind of follows what i'm experiencing with the gallstones, and
what I assumed was happening:
If I read this right, he's basically saying that a high carb diet creates gallstones and when you eat a lot
of fat the stones softening and expel. So I believe that's what's been going on with me. I ate so little
fat and protein before, HIGH carb, and then switched to low carb and high fat, so the stones were
coming out of my gallbladder.
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/carbohydrates-and-gallstones/
So I'm thinking that another flush in a couple of weeks would be a good idea...
Post by: Lilou on July 12, 2012, 02:41:15 AM
I did not find any information in Dr. Morton Walker's book on DMSO about gallstones or pancreatitis.
Do you know for sure which you have? The symptoms are similar, but the treatment differs. Given a
choice, I think I'd rather have the gallstones, pancreatitis can kill you, whereas surgery (as a last
resort) can fix gallbladder attacks.
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I had a mild gallbladder attack over 15 yrs ago and took the advice of Edgar Cayce in resolving it.
Cayce recommended castor oil packs over the abdomen (concentrating on the right side, over the
gallbladder & liver) three times a week for one hour a day. The day following the castor oil pack, 2
tsp of olive oil by mouth, to aid in eliminations and massage of equal parts olive oil & peanut oil
across the abdomen & diaphragm.
A friend of my sister is also suffering from gallbladder attacks and she is trying out the Cayce
recommendations. I'll find out how it is working out for her and let you know. The oils are easy to
get and it did work for me. Good luck, LadyRodgers. :)
ps. if you search the forum, how to make castor oil pack will come up. or you can google it too.
Post by: LadyRodgers on July 12, 2012, 04:44:18 AM
i will keep that in mind. thanks Lilou
Post by: Laura on July 12, 2012, 08:22:18 AM
Yeah, it seems that eating carbs is one of the causes of stones in the gallbladder, and also messes up
the pancreas. Since both of them share a duct, it's kind of hard to tell which it is.
One thing I learned about it is that, with a condition like this, you can't be just "pretty good" on the
diet, you have to be almost fanatical for awhile. The main thing is to just let the pancreas sleep and
that means don't eat anything that causes an insulin surge ever.
Eating plenty of meat and fat exercises the liver and gall bladder and helps them to detox the body.
Have you read all of the Life Without Bread thread?
Thanks Laura, great advice!
I have read a lot of the thread but will review again.
I still eat plenty of salads, no bread, no rice, no corn or any grains for that matter, that's what I
meant by "pretty good". I'm possibly not getting enough fat, I will definitely review again.
I read on another forum where a guy said he just stayed on a high fat diet until all the stones
expelled.
thanks again. :D
Post by: HowToBe on July 13, 2012, 12:54:10 AM
I learned yesterday that acetone, one of the ketones, has the chemical name of "dimethyl ketone".
This made me think of DMSO, "dimethyl sulphoxide" and wonder what the relationship was.
Wikipedia on Acetone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone
Wikipedia on DMSO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_sulfoxide
Both are solvents, and according to the Wiki article on solvents, a few other chemicals ending with the
word "ketone" are solvents as well, although it doesn't appear these are the same chemicals as the
ketone bodies used for energy, just related compounds:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvent
Apparently acetone and DMSO are only different by one atom: In acetone, (CH3)2CO, the sulfur atom
in DMSO, (CH3)2SO, is replaced by a carbon atom. Interesting, no?
Apologies if this has been pointed out before.
Post by: Lilou on July 13, 2012, 05:51:54 AM
Quote from: HowToBe on July 13, 2012, 12:54:10 AM
Apparently acetone and DMSO are only different by one atom: In acetone, (CH3)2CO, the sulfur atom in DMSO, (CH3)2SO, is replaced
by a carbon atom. Interesting, no?
That is interesting HowToBe. Thanks for posting it. I'm not sure what the implications of this may be,
but good to know. I've had such good luck with DMSO on plenty of ailments, I never even looked
into its chemical composition. :whistle:
Quote from: Lilou on July 13, 2012, 05:51:54 AM
That is interesting HowToBe. Thanks for posting it. I'm not sure what the implications of this may be, but good to know. I've had such
good luck with DMSO on plenty of ailments, I never even looked into its chemical composition. :whistle:
Me too. I think it is just amazing stuff. I would never leave home without it!
Recently, my son was prescribed antibiotics for an abcessed tooth. He can't take the darn things
because of his IBS. So instead, he discussed it with the doctor who suggested he crush the tablets
and make a solution to hold in his mouth. He did that, and used DMSO in the solution which helped
the antibiotic penetrate.
When I get stiff from overdoing, I use arnica gel on my back followed by DMSO cream and it works
like a charm.
Post by: LQB on July 13, 2012, 01:36:43 PM
Quote from: Laura on July 13, 2012, 08:35:26 AM
Quote from: Lilou on July 13, 2012, 05:51:54 AM
That is interesting HowToBe. Thanks for posting it. I'm not sure what the implications of this may be, but good to know. I've had such
good luck with DMSO on plenty of ailments, I never even looked into its chemical composition. :whistle:
Me too. I think it is just amazing stuff. I would never leave home without it!
Recently, my son was prescribed antibiotics for an abcessed tooth. He can't take the darn things because of his IBS. So instead, he
discussed it with the doctor who suggested he crush the tablets and make a solution to hold in his mouth. He did that, and used DMSO in
the solution which helped the antibiotic penetrate.
When I get stiff from overdoing, I use arnica gel on my back followed by DMSO cream and it works like a charm.
Thanks Laura - I'll try both of those with my mother. She went to the dentist with tooth pain and he
suggested Keflex Anti-B to see if it is a sinus infection causing the pain (tooth looks fine). Also, about
a month ago she fell in the kitchen and now has vertebrae-related nerve pain running all the way
down to the feet (osteoporosis). 50-70% dmso did not help much so I'll add the arnica.
Post by: Tomek on July 13, 2012, 08:13:55 PM
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I received my DMSO today. You guys didn't lied about the smell ! I planned to use it tomorrow
morning, unfortunately I didn't find distillated water in my area. This will wait for a little longer.
Post by: Breton on July 14, 2012, 08:53:42 AM
Well I procrastinated long enough about ordering DMSO gel after years of hearing about it on the
forum.
Amazon will not deliver it to Finland though. So I got some on ebay from Florida finally.
It came a bit later than I wanted: 2 weeks after I got an all too solid kick to my left back in Krav Maga
that got intensely painful, and got even excruciating after I slept on a poor mattress one night.
However this DMSO took the pain and inflammation away like expected. I used it once or twice on my
left leg too that had a deep pain from another solid kick. That leg no longer bothers me anymore at
all. I am now trying it on a toe fungus too and we will see how that goes.
It made my skin itch for a while after application and I got garlic taste in mouth for a short time, but
all that is expected.
Note I was not able to get the 70% with Aloe Vera that I wanted, as that should have been reasonable
mixture IMO, and ended up with 90% gel which is probably too strong. I may decide to dilute it too, in
the future. For now I just used it as it is.
What I did for the toenail fungus was to put the DMSO on a bit of cotton, put it on the toenail, and
then I put the finger of a latex glove over my toe and kept it there overnight. I had some weird
ridges and stuff on my fingernails and I dipped my finger tips into pure DMSO in a shot glass and kept
each one there for about 2 minutes. Boy, did it make a change in the appearance of the nails,
eliminating the ridges, flakiness and splitting! But you have to repeat it every 3 or 4 months.
Post by: Jerry on July 14, 2012, 12:00:58 PM
Quote from: Laura
When I get stiff from overdoing, I use arnica gel on my back followed by DMSO cream and it works like a charm.
There's nothing that I know of better for lower back pain than DMSO. It's miraculous.
Post by: seek10 on July 27, 2012, 03:05:55 AM
I have a question regarding DMSO. My 70+ year old father having some issues with body aches, neck
pains and life long issues with piles etc. I thought of sending some DMSO cream ( orange aloe bottle
) to him and to my siblings. but their food is full of gluten and casein and there is nothing I can do to
change it. Is it safe for them to use DMSO cream ?.
Post by: Divide By Zero on July 27, 2012, 06:35:13 AM
Seek10, I have given DMSO to a friend's mother who has rheumatoid arthritis and it has helped her a
lot.
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She eats a lot of gluten and dairy too, probably the original cause of the arthritis.
Post by: seek10 on July 27, 2012, 02:04:15 PM
Thank you Divide by Zero . I heard some concerns of too much detoxing with DMSO when people
are not ready.
Post by: Nienna on July 27, 2012, 06:39:06 PM
Quote from: seek10 on July 27, 2012, 02:04:15 PM
Thank you Divide by Zero . I heard some concerns of too much detoxing with DMSO when people are not ready.
That's usually if they take it internally.
Post by: tempest0822 on August 07, 2012, 03:42:51 PM
I came across this forum, and coincidentally this topic, while searching for information related to
DMSO & plastics. I'm a graduate student in biochemistry and work quite frequently with DMSO both
as a reaction solvent and as a means for delivering compounds into assays.
I haven't read the whole thread, so this may have already been addressed, but I can confirm that
DMSO will extract compounds from plastics, even when as low as 5% in water. Please be cautious if
your DMSO comes in a plastic container. Also be sure that you're receiving it from a reputable
source; the compound itself is not hazardous but, as mentioned in the initial post, it will carry
anything dissolved in it into your bloodstream.
If your DMSO has an unpleasant order be cautious in using it. The only instance when I've observed
this is when the compound has broken down because of heating or improper storage. Pure DMSO
should only have the faintest scent, and it's very similar to garlic in odor.
If you have chemistry related questions, please feel free to drop me a message. All the best.
Kate
Post by: truth seeker on August 07, 2012, 03:52:50 PM
Hi tempest0822,
Thanks for the information. :)
It's customary for new members to post an intro in the newbies section (http://cassiopaea.org/forum
/index.php/board,39.0.html). It doesn't have to be long, just a little something about yourself and
whatever else you're comfortable with.
A very dear patient of mine recently came in for an exam, I was saddened to see her moving slowly
and using a cane. I asked what happened. She was involved in a farming accident that broke both of
her legs just above her knees back in June. She now has titanium rods in both legs with pins at the
knee.
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Her left leg is doing well, even though the break in the left was more severe than the right. Her right
leg is still inflammed and quite swollen. I suggested 70% DMSO to combat the inflammation. Now,
thinking about it, I am wondering if the metal rods will have any reaction with DMSO appled topically.
I do have to walk a fine line while practicing and would certainly never make any suggestions
(knowingly) that would cause harm. Now I'm wondering, if suggesting DMSO was a bad idea. Any
thoughts? She does not take any medications and has only used a pain med prescribed by the ortho
surgeon occasionally since her accident. The surgeon is now suggesting a steroid injection for her.
But she has refused - so far.
Post by: Divide By Zero on August 12, 2012, 04:57:00 PM
From what I can find about DMSO and metals, it takes a high temperature of at least 80C to corrode
stainless steel and titanium, which I think is what most implants are made of. With soft metals, like
mercury and lead it may be lower. Not sure if corrosion is what allows DMSO to help eliminate heavy
metal toxins, or the Sulfur itself helping our body's elimination?
Here is the chart that shows corrosion/reactivity of DMSO to various materials.
_http://www.arkema-inc.com/literature/pdf/361.pdf
Thanks divide-by-zero, your post makes me feel better about my suggestion. I'll have a look at the
link you posted as well, but have to go to work. I'm late! :scooter:
Yeah, DMSO cream applied a couple times daily would really take that swelling and inflammation
down.
Post by: QuantumLogic on August 12, 2012, 09:20:36 PM
Considering the huge diet changes I made a month ago, is it even advisable for me to begin DMSO
detoxing yet, or should I wait a little longer for my body to do the "fat exchange" and purge more of
the gluten out before beginning? From what I have read in this thread, one must be careful in doing
detox too fast, and it has only been about a month of being on the HF/LC diet. I know I probably have
a serious heavy metal problem due to excessive fluoride treatments as a child and having accidentally
swallowed a couple of amalgam fillings that came loose over the years. Since heavy metal chelation
protocols can be dangerous if done improperly or too quickly, I thought it would be better to ask
before beginning this regimen.
Read all of the Life Without Bread thread before you do anything.
Post by: QuantumLogic on August 13, 2012, 12:00:56 AM
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I will- thanks Laura. I had gotten up to page 53 of the thread when I abruptly stopped to read the
most recent pages of it along with the LWB book. In continuing where I left off, only a few pages later
was a similar question asked by another member which was answered by you. So I will wait to change
anything else until I am finished reading the thread. I must admit that I am anxious to begin the
detox process, but if it is going to possibly make me very sick it is better to wait and learn more.
QL, I think that would be a prudent approach. I understand the desire to jump right in, especially
when we are concerned about the dangers of delaying things that could reduce, neutralize the effects
of harmful things in our system.
But there are so many variable that can be introduced, it's best to run approach things one at a time.
Otherwise, you will never be able to attribute an effect, whether positive or negative, to any specific
approach.
Slow and steady wins the race.
Gonzo
It is just so difficult knowing all of this garbage is in my body now. I am up to pg.70 in the LWB
thread, and am absolutely fuming after reading about gluten. I realize I have work to do on myself
concerning buried emotions and traumatic events, but to know now that the food I ate for all those
years was a chemical contributor to my anxiety and depression just takes the cake. On top of that,
after reading that today when home for lunch, I know what has been causing the recent problems
with my daughter- gluten. And I was the one who pushed the whole grain and fiber diet starting a
couple years ago. I am angry at both the psychopaths that are doing this and myself for being stupid
enough to subscribe to their ploy. Now I really have something to work for....
Sorry about the above rant, but I am just sickened by this whole mess. I just hope I have not caused
unrepairable damage to my daughter.
Post by: Gonzo on August 14, 2012, 05:47:33 AM
It's an appropriate response, I'd say. We can be angry with those who intentionally deceive us and
angry at those whose lack of practicing a modicum of due diligence, put ourselves and our family's
health at risk. Which is why we should be angry both at those who have used their position of
authority or credibility to deceive us and angry towards ourselves for investing absolute trust in
them. But the anger at ourselves should be shortlived, ending the moment we start practicing
appropriate diligence.
Developing the capacity to discern science from pseudoscience requires time and effort. We need to
be gentle with ourselves as we grow into awareness. As long as we do everything without our
capacity at any given time, we cannot fault ourselves. So, try to cut yourself a little slack if you agree
that you were doing your best with what you had to work with. That was then and this is now. The
only thing you should be asking youself is what you will do next.
Gonzo
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Thanks, Gonzo. It was just an emotional moment when I read the gluten material. It made me
realize- truly and completely for the first time- what kind of world we are living in. After a couple
hours of analysis, I came to the conclusion that although we cannot stop them from doing this to us,
we can keep learning and surviving against all odds. IMO, the greatest victory we can have is learning
everything they do- and somehow survive it. Obviously this body of existence is not all there is, but it
is what we are at the current moment. If anything, this has given me an even greater strength and
clarity of purpose to push on as long as I can- learning and doing the right things.
Post by: Mariama on September 23, 2012, 08:13:18 AM
Quote from: Gonzo on July 13, 2011, 01:14:47 AM
I'd like to echo Laura's comments on the poultice/compress, diet and heat.
After nearly 20 years suffering from several disk herniations, surgery and the various drugs the specialists kept feeding me, I found the
greatest relief from serious dietary change (the modified ultra-simple diet, modified again to increase meat and animal fat, reducing carbs)
and heat. DMSO seemed to help calm the inflamed nerve and surrounding muscle tissue. And not enough can be said about the kinesio
taping that seems to have helped so many people.
I also found the FIR blanket to be helpful when my back was causing me problems.
Quote from: Gonzo
Healing a disk might not necessarily be one's ultimate goal. There's been a lot of evidence through studying cadavers that many people
have significant herniation but are symptom free. Neurologists and back specialists are starting to rethink disk herniations and wondering if
something else is at play (e.g., hypersensitivity in nerves, dysfunctional pain response, etc.).
This has given me pause and I hope more specialists pick up on this. It is my experience that surgical solutions are considered far to soon
and far too often when so many other factors should be taken into consideration.
This is what I read.
Quote from: 'Acupressure Taping'
Most human beings have functional disorders in various sections of the spine, but in many cases such disorders do not cause pain
because the body can well compensate for them.
However, if the bodily compensation becomes inadequate, the result is a discompensation and this is associated with pain.
Quote from: Gonzo
For me, breaking the pain cycle stopped a chain reaction of muscle tension and both physical, mental and emotional exhaustion that
seemed to reduce the episodes of flareups and re-injury. Whatever healthy way of breaking the pain cycle one can muster might be the
first prong of a multi-pronged approach.
However, I am not a doctor nor do I play one on television, but I do suggest reading as much as you can on the dietary connection (both
to neuropathies, connective tissue as well as mental state, since pain perception is deeply influenced by mood), stretching, ice or heat
therapy, natural pain relief, stress reduction (I should have mentioned how the EE breathing program afforded my great relief, especially
on my bad days), exercise and taping as you deal with this excruciating and disabling condition.
I concur.
I have become more sensitive to my own signal system. When I think about stressful events I
immediately feel pain in my neck, head, shoulders and back. But when I do something else I feel no
pain or only if I make the wrong movement.
The other day I had to answer a not so nice telephone call that I couldn't avoid. I was boiling with
rage (silently), but my whole body was completely free of pain. I actually felt very well, because of the
outrage that I was allowing myself to feel and making sure that this outrage could not cause a
blockage somewhere. Despite the stressful telephone conversation I felt physically wonderful. :O
I used some DMSO and the medical tape, but the pain is still excruciating at times, but I somehow
seem to be able to handle it better.
I think my pain is caused by old psychological trauma, hence the fact that the medical tape and DMSO
do not provide a lot of relief. So I have started the Redirect writing exercises and Peter Levine's
exercises and see how that goes together with everything else that I am doing ATM.
Post by: ignis.intimus on December 10, 2012, 05:37:05 AM
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I've been using DMSO for a little while now, about two years or so I think. I wanted to share what has
been most effective for me. I've tried the various kinds, 100% pure liquid, 100% pure gel, 70/30
DMSO/aloe gel, and 70/30 DMSO/water gel. What I do now is get preservative free aloe juice from
the fillet (flesh) and pure liquid DMSO. The aloe is almost 100% pure except for citric acid, as a pH
balancer; the purest I could find. I put them both into spray bottles and will spray some aloe first,
then DMSO. Then I alternate back and forth as long as I can take it. Which is typically about 10 - 15
minutes. Then I will use coconut oil or lotion afterwards to help the skin heal a bit. Doing it this way, I
don't get any burns at all, and can usually do DMSO treatments every other day if I feel like it. This is
pretty good for me considering DMSO even at lower concentrations would burn like the dickens. Using
it with aloe in this way, it is uncomfortable, but not painful really.
Post by: anart on December 10, 2012, 02:33:07 PM
Quote from: ignis.intimus on December 10, 2012, 05:37:05 AM
I've been using DMSO for a little while now, about two years or so I think. I wanted to share what has been most effective for me. I've
tried the various kinds, 100% pure liquid, 100% pure gel, 70/30 DMSO/aloe gel, and 70/30 DMSO/water gel. What I do now is get
preservative free aloe juice from the fillet (flesh) and pure liquid DMSO. The aloe is almost 100% pure except for citric acid, as a pH
balancer; the purest I could find. I put them both into spray bottles and will spray some aloe first, then DMSO. Then I alternate back and
forth as long as I can take it. Which is typically about 10 - 15 minutes. Then I will use coconut oil or lotion afterwards to help the skin heal
a bit. Doing it this way, I don't get any burns at all, and can usually do DMSO treatments every other day if I feel like it. This is pretty good
for me considering DMSO even at lower concentrations would burn like the dickens. Using it with aloe in this way, it is uncomfortable, but
not painful really.
Why are you doing DMSO treatments every day? That sounds a little extreme to me - are you trying
to heal a specific acute condition?
Post by: ignis.intimus on December 10, 2012, 06:11:06 PM
Quote from: anart on December 10, 2012, 02:33:07 PM
Why are you doing DMSO treatments every day? That sounds a little extreme to me - are you trying to heal a specific acute condition?
I'm using it every other day max, but typically it's more like every few days. I have some serious
problem with the bones in my skull, especially at the top of my head I can feel they need to be
"pushed" out or something. It interferes with my breathing, making a normal breath painful, which
typically causes me to not breath the way that I should. At the bottom of my rib cage on my front,
there is some connection between there and the top of my head so that when I breath as I should and
expand that area, the top of my head wants to expand as well. I was planning on going to see a
cranial osteopath about it, soon hopefully.
I have been thinking about posting about it, but wasn't sure how much advice could be offered about
something like that. Do you think I should post about it anyway, just in case?
Post by: anart on December 10, 2012, 08:13:33 PM
Quote from: ignis.intimus on December 10, 2012, 06:11:06 PM
Why are you doing DMSO treatments every day? That sounds a little extreme to me - are you trying to heal a specific acute condition?
I'm using it every other day max, but typically it's more like every few days. I have some serious problem with the bones in my skull,
especially at the top of my head I can feel they need to be "pushed" out or something. It interferes with my breathing, making a normal
breath painful, which typically causes me to not breath the way that I should. At the bottom of my rib cage on my front, there is some
connection between there and the top of my head so that when I breath as I should and expand that area, the top of my head wants to
expand as well. I was planning on going to see a cranial osteopath about it, soon hopefully.
I have been thinking about posting about it, but wasn't sure how much advice could be offered about something like that. Do you think I
should post about it anyway, just in case?
I'm not quite following why you think using DMSO the way you're using it, and so often, would fix the
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bones in your skull?
It sounds like seeing a cranial osteopath would make a lot more sense.
I'm not quite following why you think using DMSO the way you're using it, and so often, would fix the bones in your skull?
It sounds like seeing a cranial osteopath would make a lot more sense.
So far it has helped alleviate the pain and tension in the area to some small degree (over the years). I
would need to find the quote, but I remember reading that DMSO can unbind cellular structures, such
as scar tissue, causing them to loosen up. It feels like the area "gives" ever so slightly, it just takes
much conscious effort in terms of focused breathing. Applying DMSO it feels like it gives just a tad bit
more.
I setup an appointment with a cranial osteopath (OCF) this morning, I'll see her in about two months.
Post by: Gaby on December 10, 2012, 09:35:38 PM
I setup an appointment with a cranial osteopath (OCF) this morning, I'll see her in about two months.
Have you tried magnesium? It is the relaxing mineral par excellence. Perhaps it will help you as a
complement to the diet and osteopathic treatment.
Quote from: Psyche on December 10, 2012, 09:35:38 PM
Have you tried magnesium? It is the relaxing mineral par excellence. Perhaps it will help you as a complement to the diet and osteopathic
treatment.
Yep, it's great stuff. These days I only put it on when I feel the need to, but I will start using it more
frequently, using magnesium on my DMSO off-days.
Post by: Laura on December 10, 2012, 10:38:14 PM
Quote from: Psyche on December 10, 2012, 09:35:38 PM
Have you tried magnesium? It is the relaxing mineral par excellence. Perhaps it will help you as a complement to the diet and
osteopathic treatment.
Yep, it's great stuff. These days I only put it on when I feel the need to, but I will start using it more frequently, using magnesium on my
DMSO off-days.
I think Psyche meant orally. I take magnesium every night about half an hour before going to bed.
I think you would have better success with good bodywork.
Post by: ignis.intimus on December 11, 2012, 03:54:15 AM
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Quote from: Laura on December 10, 2012, 10:38:14 PM
I think Psyche meant orally. I take magnesium every night about half an hour before going to bed.
I think you would have better success with good bodywork.
Ah gotcha. I still have some magnesium citrate powder, I'll start taking that. I had been taking is
as-needed which is probably not the best approach, since when I feel like taking it is when I become
deficient enough to notice.
I've done lots of rolfing in the past. The last guy I saw was pretty good, was a full-time teacher of
rolfing at one point, and does adjunct teaching now last I heard. I feel like I need someone who
specializes in the neck and head though, since that's really where most of my issues are; my problem
feels like it's more bone than tissue. I was just going to see a craniosacral therapist, but decided on an
OCF since they are MDs and have lots more experience. Someone like that will probably be able to
provide the most definitive answer about what is going on with my skull.
Post by: Z on January 04, 2013, 11:11:17 AM
Apologies if I missed it somewhere on this thread but can anyone recommend good source preferably
in EU to order DMSO medical grade from.
Post by: Alada on January 04, 2013, 12:03:04 PM
Quote from: H.E. on January 04, 2013, 11:11:17 AM
Apologies if I missed it somewhere on this thread but can anyone recommend good source preferably in EU to order DMSO medical
grade from.
I ordered it from here, their shipping charges to Europe look reasonable too (quoted as 3.99):
http://www.phhealth.co.uk/products-page/dmso/
Post by: Z on January 04, 2013, 02:25:55 PM
Thanks Alada, I almost ordered it from amazon with postage costs of 40 - luckily I realized it is not
medical grade.
It arrived today but I wanted to check about few things before I start using it.
I ordered 99.98% solution and although it was on the room temperature all day it appears very solid
and crystallized. When I poke it it seems to melt pretty quickly. I put it in the hot water bath and it
seems to be melting although the top layer at the bottle opening is still very hard.
Is this normal?
Also it arrived in a plastic bottle and I think I read somewhere DMSO should not be stored in plastic.
Post by: Gaby on January 10, 2013, 09:31:11 PM
Quote from: H.E. on January 10, 2013, 08:54:18 PM
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I ordered 99.98% solution and although it was on the room temperature all day it appears very solid and crystallized. When I poke it it
seems to melt pretty quickly. I put it in the hot water bath and it seems to be melting although the top layer at the bottle opening is still
very hard.
Is this normal?
That it became solid and crystallized is an indication of its purity. So that is good.
I think that even those they sell in glass were originally stored in plastic containers, or so I remember
reading.
thanks psyche - its hard to keep up with all the reading :( this network rocks :lol: :D
Post by: Lindenlea on July 14, 2013, 07:07:35 AM
Quote from: Psyche on January 10, 2013, 09:31:11 PM
Quote from: H.E. on January 10, 2013, 08:54:18 PM
I ordered 99.98% solution and although it was on the room temperature all day it appears very solid and crystallized. When I poke it it
seems to melt pretty quickly. I put it in the hot water bath and it seems to be melting although the top layer at the bottle opening is still
very hard.
Is this normal?
That it became solid and crystallized is an indication of its purity. So that is good.
I think that even those they sell in glass were originally stored in plastic containers, or so I remember reading.
This is the exact question I was about to ask before I did my forum search, and Psyche's answer is
what I wanted to hear, as I am about to start using DMSO on a very sore back muscle, too much
heavy gardening.
Thank you. :) :)
Post by: Mr. Scott on July 14, 2013, 02:38:42 PM
Something I discovered recently:
Mr. Scott's Magic Sunburn Cure :-[ --> :)
1. Run cold water on sunburn for several minutes (i.e. take cold shower/bath)
2. Apply aloe to sunburn (I like aloe gel, especially if it's been in the fridge!)
3. Wait 30 minutes
4. Apply more aloe
5. Wait 30 minutes
6. Apply very light coating of DMSO Rose Cream to sunburn, followed by plenty of aloe
7. Repeat aloe as needed
Obviously, don't try this if your skin doesn't react well to DMSO cream!
But, at least in my case, the DMSO cream really seems to reduce the redness and pain and promote
very rapid healing.
Better yet, don't get too much sun... :whistle:
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FWIW.
Post by: truth seeker on July 14, 2013, 02:52:15 PM
Funny you should mention that. I got sunburned about two weeks ago and was thinking about trying
dmso gel but decided to wait as I didn't want to deal with any stinging/burning sensation. Maybe I'll
try it and see if it helps with the subsequent peeling phase as well.
Post by: Mr. Scott on July 14, 2013, 03:58:59 PM
Quote from: truth seeker on July 14, 2013, 02:52:15 PM
Funny you should mention that. I got sunburned about two weeks ago and was thinking about trying dmso gel but decided to wait as I
didn't want to deal with any stinging/burning sensation. Maybe I'll try it and see if it helps with the subsequent peeling phase as well.
Well, for my skin, the DMSO gel is more harsh and burny sometimes.
But the rose-scented cream stuff is much more gentle. I love that stuff!
Post by: MoonGlow on July 14, 2013, 07:26:44 PM
DMSO first came up for me as a potential vehicle for intravenous substances without the need for
needles. Applied topically over a major vein or artery, DMSO will allow a wide array of drugs to enter
the bloodstream.
This came up because I had attended a faith healing that made me highly suspicious. The minister
was rubbing some oil on his hands and then placing them on the temples of the supplicants. After a
few seconds, the supplicant would fall back and be caught by members of the congregation already in
place. A few minutes later, they would either wake up, reporting feeling much better, or stay on the
floor, laughing or crying uncontrollably.
Being naturally curious, I allowed the minister to do his thing to me. My knees grew weak and my
vision swam, but I didn't give in. His response was to apply more oil to my temples. He also
announced to the congregation that a demon was in me, and they circled around and wouldn't let me
leave as the minister started babbling in tongues at me. I babbled back. It wasn't a pretty scene.
But, I did eventually find a break in the circle and escape without losing consciousness.
I mentioned the experience to many people. There was no substance anyone knew of that could
produce such drastic results when applied topically. But, there are a lot that can if they enter the
bloodstream. So, the best theory I heard was that the oil contained a mixture of DMSO and some
form of anesthetic.
Post by: Heimdallr on July 15, 2013, 04:43:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Scott on July 14, 2013, 03:58:59 PM
Well, for my skin, the DMSO gel is more harsh and burny sometimes.
But the rose-scented cream stuff is much more gentle. I love that stuff!
Me too. The gel irritates my skin and stings when I apply it to small cuts/scrapes. My skin definitely
prefers the cream.
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Post by: Paddyjohn on September 11, 2013, 09:23:11 PM
After receiving great advice from forum members in another thread about a pulled calf muscle, I just
obtained some DMSO. I mixed it 50/50 with distilled water. I put this in a plastic container. I know
plastic should be avoided but it's all I have at the moment and I now have only three days to heal this
muscle before running in an event on Sunday.
I am just about to apply it topically and I notice that the bottle feels warm. The DMSO and distilled
water weren't pre-heated or anything like that. Is this okay. Has anyone else noticed this warming of
the diluted DMSO. It's not going to blow the roof off is it :scared:
Be grateful for advice.
Thanks
Quote from: Vic on September 11, 2013, 09:23:11 PM
After receiving great advice from forum members in another thread about a pulled calf muscle, I just obtained some DMSO. I mixed it
50/50 with distilled water. I put this in a plastic container. I know plastic should be avoided but it's all I have at the moment and I now
have only three days to heal this muscle before running in an event on Sunday.
I am just about to apply it topically and I notice that the bottle feels warm. The DMSO and distilled water weren't pre-heated or anything
like that. Is this okay. Has anyone else noticed this warming of the diluted DMSO. It's not going to blow the roof off is it :scared:
Be grateful for advice.
Thanks
Yeah, that is what DMSO does. Warning, used as a liquid solution, you are bound to feel some burning
and perhaps get a mild rash. These are side effects that are transitory. You should have used a boiled
water bottle. Better to err on the safe side when it comes to DMSO. I know some solutions comes in
plastic anyway, but it does help to be as safe as possible.
DMSO works very well in inflammatory conditions, and the sooner it is applied (i.e. on a strained
muscle) the better.
Post by: Paddyjohn on September 11, 2013, 09:37:05 PM
Brilliant, Psyche. Just what I was hoping to hear. I'll put some on now. Thanks.
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