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Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Total Gadha - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 04:49 PM

For all the C AT aspirants taking C AT in 2009 or 2010, this chapter should provide some insight into Venn diagrams and methods for solving the problems. This chapter comes on the demand of some high octane TG users who are responsible for my lack of sleep and excessive intake of caffeine last night. I hope this resolves many of their problems in Venn diagrams.

Venn diagrams are pictorial representations used to display mathematical or logical relationships between two or more given sets (groups of things). The drawing consists of two or more circles, each representing a specific group. Each Venn diagram begins with a rectangle representing the universal set. Then each set in the problem is represented by a circle. Any values that belong to more than one set will be placed in the sections where the circles overlap. A typical venn diagram is shown in the figure below:

In the figure, set A contains the multiples of 2 which are less than 30 and set B contains multiples of 3 which are less than 25. Therefore, A = {2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12... 26, 28} and B = {3, 6, 9, 12... 21, 24}. The various areas in the above diagram depict the following relationships: Intersection (A B)- Denotes the set of elements that are shared by two or more given sets. In the figure given below, the intersection of the two sets is shown.

A B = {6, 12, 18, 24} Only A or Only B- The part of set A, or set B, which is not shared by any other set is known as "only A," or "only B." In the figure given below, the two parts are shown:

Only A = {2, 4, 8, 10, 14, 16, 20, 22, 26, 28}, only B = {3, 9, 15, 21} Union (AUB)- Denotes all the elements of the given sets taken once.

A U B = {2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15, 16, 18, 20, 21, 22, 24, 26, 28} It can be seen that

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The venn diagram for three sets is shown below:

It can be shown that

Problem-solving through Venn diagrams: I use the following method to solve problems through Venn diagrams:

Solved Examples: Of all the users on Totalgadha.com, 80% spend time in C AT Quant-DI forum whereas 60% spend time in C AT verbal forum. If only those users will crack C AT who spend time in both the forums, what percentage of users of TotalGadha will crack C AT? will not crack C AT?

Answer: n(AUB) = n(A) + n(B) - n(A B) 100% = 80% + 60% - n(A B) n(A B) = 40% Therefore, 40% users of TG will crack C AT. And 60% of users (only A + only B) will not crack C AT. NOTE: See that the surplus (superfluous part) can only be adjusted inside the area denoted for the intersection of the sets, a fact we will use in maxima- minima type of questions. A survey on a sample of 25 new cars being sold at a local auto dealer was conducted to see which of the three popular options air conditioning, radio and power windows were already installed. The survey found: 15 had air conditioning 2 had air conditioning and power windows but no radios 12 had radio 6 had air conditioning and radio but no power windows 11 had power windows 4 had radio and power windows 3 had all three options. What is the number of cars that had none of the options? (CAT 2003) 1. 4 2. 3 3. 1 Answer: We make the Venn diagram and start filling the areas as shown: 4. 2

Total Number of cars according to the diagram = 2 + 6 + 3 + 1 + 5 + 2 + 4 = 23. Therefore, number of cars having none of the given options = 25 - 23 = 2. New Age C onsultants have three consultants Gyani, Medha and Buddhi. The sum of the number of projects handled by Gyani and Buddhi individually is equal to the number of projects in which Medha is involved. All three consultants are involved together in 6 projects. Gyani works with Medha in 14 projects. Buddhi has 2 projects with Medha but without Gyani, and 3 projects with Gyani but without Medha. The total number of projects for New Age C onsultants is one less than twice the number of projects in which more than one consultant is involved.

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(CAT 2003- Leaked) What is the number of projects in which Gyani alone is involved? 1. 0 2. 1. 3. 4. 4. cannot be determined What is the number of projects in which Medha alone is involved? 1. 0 2. 1. 3. 4. 4. cannot be determined Answer: The Venn diagram for the three consultants is shown below:

Total Number of projects = 2 x number of projects in which more than one consultant is involved - 1 = 2 x 19 - 1 = 37. Therefore, X + 8 + 6 + 3 + Y + 2 + X + Y - 16 = 37 X + Y = 17. The values of X or Y cannot be uniquely determined. Medha alone is involved in X + Y - 16 = 17 - 16 = 1 project. Concept of Maxima and Minima: 1. When the total number of elements is fixed Let's have a look at the Venn diagram of two sets again:

Imagine that in the beginning, the number of elements in all the areas is zero, as shown above. All the sets are empty right now. Let's see what happens if I insert one element inside A B:

We can see that adding 1 element to A B increases the number of elements in both A and B by 1. The total number of elements in all areas combined is 1 only (0 + 1 + 0) but if you add the number of elements in A and B (A + B), the addition will come up to 2. Therefore, adding 1 element to A B gives an extra 1 element. Hence, for every surplus of 1 element we can add 1 element to A B. Lets see the Venn diagram for 3 sets:

In diagram 1, we have added 1 element to intersection of only two sets (A and B but not C ). We can see that A and B both increase by 1 and

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therefore we get a surplus of 1 element. In diagram 2, we have added 1 element to intersection of all the three sets (A and B and C ). We can see that A, B and C all three increase by 1 element each and therefore we get a surplus of 2 elements. Therefore, in case of three sets, we can accommodate the surplus by adding elements to intersection of only two sets in which case a surplus of 1 element can be accommodated by increase of 1 element in the intersection of only two sets. adding elements to intersection of three sets in which case a surplus of 2 elements can be accommodated by increase of 1 element in the intersection of three sets. How is this related to maxima and minima? Let's see: According to a survey, at least 70% of people like apples, at least 75% like bananas and at least 80% like cherries. What is the minimum percentage of people who like all three? Answer: Let's first calculate the surplus: percentage of people who like apples + percentage of people who like bananas + percentage of people who like cherries = 70% + 75% + 80% = 225% a surplus of 125%. Now this surplus can be accommodated by adding elements to either intersection of only two sets or to intersection of only three sets. As the intersection of only two sets can accommodate only a surplus of 100%, the surplus of 25% will still be left. This surplus of 25% can be accommodated by adding elements to intersection of three sets. For that we have to take 25% out of the intersection of only two sets and add it to intersection of three sets. Therefore, the minimum percentage of people who like all three = 25% The question can be solved mathematically also. Let the elements added to intersection of only two sets and intersection of three sets be x and y, respectively. These elements will have to cover the surplus. -->x + 2y = 125%, where x + y 100%. For minimum value of y, we need maximum value of x. --> x = 75%, y = 25%. In a college, where every student follows at least one of the three activities- drama, sports, or arts- 65% follow drama, 86% follow sports, and 57% follow arts. What can be the maximum and minimum percentage of students who follow all three activities exactly two activities Answer: Let us again see the surplus: Percentage of students who follow drama + Percentage of students who follow sports + Percentage of students who follow arts = 65% + 86% + 57% = 208% surplus = 108%. This surplus can be accommodated through adding elements either to intersection of only two sets or to intersection of only three sets. As the intersection of only two sets can accommodate only a surplus of 100%, the surplus of 8% will still be left. This surplus of 8% can be accommodated by adding elements to intersection of three sets. For that we have to take 8% out of the intersection of only two sets and add it to intersection of three sets. Therefore, the minimum percentage of people who like all three = 8%. In this case the percentage of students who follow exactly two activities will be maximum = 92%. The surplus of 108% can also be accommodated through adding elements to only intersection of three sets. As adding 1 element to intersection of three sets give a surplus of 2 sets, adding 54% to intersection of three sets will give a surplus of 108%. Therefore, the maximum value of students who follow all three activities is 54%. In this case the percentage of students who follow exactly two activities will be minimum = 0%. We can also solve it mathematically x + 2y = 108%, where x + y 100%. The maximum value of x will give minimum value of y, whereas minimum value of x will give maximum value of y. 2. When the total number of elements is NOT fixed In this case we assign the variables to every area of the Venn diagram and form the conditions keeping two things in mind: try to express the areas in the Venn diagram through least number of variables. all the numbers will be zero or positive. No number can be negative. Out of 210 interviews of IIM- Ahmedabad, 105 C AT crackers were offered tea by the interview panel, 50 were offered biscuits, and 56 were offered toffees. 32 C AT crackers were offered tea and biscuits, 30 were offered biscuits and toffees, and 45 were offered toffees and tea. What is the maximum and minimum number of C AT crackers who were offered all three snacks? maximum and minimum number of C AT crackers who were offered at least one snack? Answer: Lets make the Venn diagram for this question. Since we want to assume least number of variables, we can see that assuming a variable for the number of students who were offered all three snacks will help us express all the other areas. Let the number of students who were offered all three snacks = x.

In the above diagram, we have expressed all the areas in terms of x. To decide maximum value of x, we note that 32 - x, 45 - x and 30 - x will be zero or positive. Therefore, the maximum value of x will be 30. (30 is the lowest among 30, 32 and 45). To decide minimum value of

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x, we note than x - 19 and x 12 will be zero or positive. Therefore, x cannot be less than 19 (19 is the higher number between 19 and 12). Therefore, maximum and minimum number of C AT crackers who were offered all three snacks = 30 and 19. The number of C AT crackers who were offered at least one snack = Total number of C AT crackers in the Venn diagram = x + 28 + 32 - x + x + 45 - x + x - 19 + 30 - x + x - 12 = 104 + x. As the maximum and minimum values of x are 30 and 19, respectively, the maximum and minimum value of 104 + x will be 134 and 123, respectively. Maximum and minimum number of C AT crackers who were offered at least one snack = 134 and 123.

I am afraid I shall have to end here and leave the rest of it for my CBT Club students. I shall cover some problems based on this in the CBT Club this week.

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Sm all W onde r - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 05:02 PM

TG Sir ki jai ho Thanks a ton. God Bless You! Small Wonder!


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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Vaidyanathan Gane san - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 05:11 PM TG, I was always on the look for your article s on the hom e page and this tim e i was not disappointe d.. . A ne w article !!!!

Ke e p up your good work .

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Gul Gul - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 05:11 PM YAhooooooooo!!!!! Thnx TG Muahhhhhhhhh.......
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by k ishore ayyade vara - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 05:24 PM Thank s a lot TG i could not ge t the following point..

Percentage of students who follow drama + Percentage of students who follow sports + Percentage of students who follow arts = 65% + 86% + 57% = 208% surplus = 108%. This surplus can be accommodated through adding elements either to intersection of only two sets or to intersection of only three sets. As the intersection of only two sets can accommodate only a surplus of 100%, the surplus of 8% will still be left. This surplus of 8% can be accommodated by adding elements to intersection of three sets. For that we have to take 8% out of the intersection of only two sets and add it to intersection of three sets but here we are considering 3 sets...so how come u took only 2? the other 2 intersection are 0 then? Regards, Kishore.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Sri KLR - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 05:36 PM TG,

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Good m e thod to solve m ax and m in..... x +2y and x +y is too good...I lik e e quations....no think ing ne e de d from now on.. So far I use d hit and trial.....but NO m ore ...fe e l re lie ve d now....

Ple ase give us som e proble m s on four dim e nsionals also.... Also give som e m ore prob on ve nns.. as e x e rcise on Q uant-DI forum ... I have k inda pre m onition that C AT m ight re ar it's ugly he ad again....C AT(W e ) is (are ) going thru Te sting tim e s... I have se e n one prob in cat 2 ye ars back ....one tough ve nn prob..don re m e m be r...will ge t back with it..

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Software Engine e r - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 06:31 PM He re , the quality of conte nt is be st, re lally ! Thank You. Software Engine e r
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by King Kong - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 07:01 PM TG == Too Good !!?? [ ] Awe som e stuff...
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Total Gadha - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 07:09 PM Hi Kishore , "inte rse ction of only two se ts" m e ans are a containing inte rse ction of two se ts but not the third se t. In the figure give n be low, the are a in re d is the inte rse ction of only two se ts.

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by padm ase lvan lak shm an - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 07:38 PM hi TG, Thanx a lot for such a wonde rful article .. U have m ade m ax im a and m inim a look a lot m ore e asie r through this article .. as sugge ste d e arlie r, pls give us a quiz on Ve nn Diag for practice ..
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by k ishore ayyade vara - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 08:05 PM hi TG, the thing is...u said that the inte rse ction can tak e a m ax im um surplus of 100% but, why isnt it m ore than 100? if the 3 shade d portions are a,b,c . the n what if a+b = 100%(i.e ., all the conte nts of the first circle are in the shade d part) and c>0? R e gards, Kishore .
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by the unde rdog - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 08:12 PM

"we are not worthy" "we are not worthy"*


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* from the movie "Wayne's World" hehe.. thanks TG!


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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Ak on C onvict - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 08:32 PM Thank U ve ry m uch TG..... God Ble ss You
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Total Gadha - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 08:34 PM Hi Kishore , How can som e thing be m ore than 100%? If I have give n you 10 boys at m ost can you have m ore than 10 boys com bining all the are as? Total Gadha
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by C razy C AT - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 08:49 PM Thanx a tonne Tg , It was worth waiting for such a long tim e for this article . one re que st Sir ,plz give som e tips lik e this on functions and graph article also. R e gards

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Gul Gul - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 09:18 PM a topic on cube s also ple ase .....
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by the unde rdog - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 09:25 PM +1 Gullz Golu
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Gul Gul - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 09:34 PM He lp m e in the following proble m TG All stude nts in a class of 100 atte nde d a sum m e r cam p. Each stude nt had the option of e nrolling for coaching in atm ost 3 nam e ly Football, C rick e t and hock e y. a stude nts had e nrolle d for hock e y b for football c for crick e t Also d stude nts had e nrolle d for e actly 1 sport, e for e x actly 2, f for e x actly 3 and g stude nts had not e nrolle d for any of the thre e sports. Q 1 If d>e >f and c is le ss than a as we ll as b, what is the m ax im um possible value of c? Q 2 If a,b,c,d,e ,f and g are all distinct the m inim um possible no. of stude nts who e nrolle d for atle ast 1 sport is ? Q 2 If a is le ss than b as we ll as c, the no. of stude nts who e nrolle d only for hock e y is ? Ple ase He lp....
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by k ishore ayyade vara - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 09:35 PM TG se e m s i m ade som e horrible inte rpre tations the n thought A ,B,C are 100% e ach what i find is the thrice inte rse cte d part(part com m on to all the circle s) is counte d thrice and (AnB) (BnC )(C nA) are counte d twice com ing to the proble m , so the surplus 108% should be distribute d in the following way x +2y = 108% ( whe re x is the inte rse ction of 2 circle s n y is com m on to thre e ) m y proble m is , i could not ge t how x +y = 100%...do u m e an to say that the e le m e nts be longing to ONLY A , B,C are all ze ro and e ve ry e le m e nt lie s in the inte rse ction parts? R e gards, Kishore .
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Gul Gul - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 10:01 PM Kishore , Se e if this is cle ar: Say all stude nts = 100 % in te rm s of e quation a1+a2+a3=100 and we have a1+2a2+3a3=208. Subtract the above 2 e quations we haave a2+2a3=108 now a3 should be m inim um 8 and a2 m ax im um 92 i.e . 92+2*8=108 se e now a1+a2+a3 = 100 is m aintaine d. Also a3 m ax = 54 in this case a2=0 and a1 will tak e 46. Is it a bit cle ar now?
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Top C AT - Tue sday, 18 Se pte m be r 2007, 11:09 PM Ex haustive ye t Sim ple that,s ur trade m ark ..... that's what we all lik e about this site ...
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Abhi S - W e dne sday, 19 Se pte m be r 2007, 02:21 AM

nw iv gone mad...i thot u r lost somewhere...bt u...bt u came wid a bang.... thnx TG sir.....
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Abhi S - W e dne sday, 19 Se pte m be r 2007, 02:23 AM nw plz...u m ay hav a re st....le t us hav a sip f d sam e caffie ne ....tak e care TG sir...
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by anand pani - W e dne sday, 19 Se pte m be r 2007, 08:17 AM gre at
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by k ishore ayyade vara - W e dne sday, 19 Se pte m be r 2007, 10:40 AM Thank You Gullz it's cle ar now...i was having proble m s with inte rpre ting the assum ptions and thank s TG for this use ful article
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by Gul Gul - W e dne sday, 19 Se pte m be r 2007, 10:46 AM

Thank s to TG....
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by dine sh m unna - W e dne sday, 19 Se pte m be r 2007, 12:41 PM Sir...I am sorry but this article was not e x actly what i e x pe cte d.I was e x pe cting you to put sum fundae s on solving proble m s lik e the one just poste d he re by sum guy.Pls luk into it and fit ur solution into that.thanq
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Total Gadha - W e dne sday, 19 Se pte m be r 2007, 01:22 PM Hi Dine sh, Unfortunate ly, I am not pre paring you for a Math O lym piad but C AT only. Have a look at the Ve nn diagram proble m that cam e in C AT 2006: A surve y was conducte d of 100 pe ople to find out whe the r the y had re ad re ce nt issue s of Golm al, a m onthly m agazine . The sum m arize d inform ation re garding re ade rship in 3 m onths is give n be low: O nly Se pte m be r: 18, Se pte m be r but not August: 23, Se pte m be r and July: 28, Se pte m be r: 28, July: 48, July and August: 10, None of the thre e m onths: 24. W hat is the num be r of surve ye d pe ople who have re ad e x actly two conse cutive issue s (out of the thre e )? (1) 7 (2) 9 (3) 12 (4) 14 (5) 17 The article alre ady has que stion that cam e in pre vious C AT pape rs. The re has be e n no m e ntion of e ve n m ax im a or m inim a in C AT. I since re ly be lie ve that this is all that you ne e d to k now to tack le Ve nn diagram proble m s in C AT. As for the fundas for solving proble m s lik e the one poste d he re , I can solve it through the fundas m e ntione d in the article only. Total Gadha
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Tom Goe l - W e dne sday, 19 Se pte m be r 2007, 01:30 PM I k now what we can say in re spe ct of TG falls ve ry short of what he de se rve s...a word of thank s for TG not from the k e yboard but from he art. Thank s a lot and k e e p the good work going....... +1 re grading article on cube s ;)

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Total Gadha - W e dne sday, 19 Se pte m be r 2007, 01:46 PM Hi Tom , Le t m e try. Total Gadha
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I can ce rtainly im agine the hours on 'paint' I will have to spe nd to draw im age s of cube s

Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Gul Gul - W e dne sday, 19 Se pte m be r 2007, 02:06 PM TG PLZ he lp out in the que stion poste d i was able to crack half que stions in that se t but the re st half poste d is posing som e proble m . Plz he lp so that i can be com ple te ly confide nt in this topic..
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by ravi k um ar - W e dne sday, 19 Se pte m be r 2007, 03:06 PM TG I fe e l asham e d to le arn so m uch from you for fre e . Give m e your addre ss I want to se nd you som e gurudak shina. Also fe e l sorry for ppl who are not gadhas ye t

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by jite ndra havaldar - W e dne sday, 19 Se pte m be r 2007, 04:37 PM Hi TG, In the proble m of cars having AC s,powe r windows(PW ),radio(R ) i didn't unde rstand the way you have splitte d the radio and the powe r windows part by tak ing (4-3) = 1 in the are a com m on to both R & PW ... It would re ally be gre at if you tak e som e tim e to e x plain this ..any he lp from anyone is also we lcom e on this....

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Abhishe k De b - W e dne sday, 19 Se pte m be r 2007, 04:49 PM

Hi TG, I wanted to know one thing that u said that "minimum values of the students following three activities will be 54% max in drama, arts ques.. I wanted to know then what will be the min of all the ppl having two activities interest.... will it be 54%....?If not then how to solve it...... Abhishek.

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Nitin Jain - W e dne sday, 19 Se pte m be r 2007, 05:14 PM

Hello TG
Ple ase clarify m y doubt. You said that the re are two case s for solving m ax im a and m inim a proble m s. In the form e r the total no of e le m e nts are fix e d and in the latte r the total no of e le m e nts are not fix e d. I gue ss total no of e le m e nts im ply AUBUC ? Be cause in the last que stion of C AT inte rvie we rs , total no of e le m e nts are fixed i.e 210.The n how can we classify the que stion to fall unde r fix e d e le m e nts or not?

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by sun is he re - W e dne sday, 19 Se pte m be r 2007, 09:04 PM HI TG ,

A surve y was conducte d of 100 pe ople to find out whe the r the y had re ad re ce nt issue s of Golm al, a m onthly m agazine . The sum m arize d inform ation re garding re ade rship in 3 m onths is give n be low: O nly Se pte m be r: 18, Se pte m be r but not August: 23, Se pte m be r and July: 28, Se pte m be r: 28, July: 48, July and August: 10, None of the thre e m onths: 24. W hat is the num be r of surve ye d pe ople who have re ad e x actly two conse cutive issue s (out of the thre e )? (1) 7 (2) 9 (3) 12 (4) 14 (5) 17

iam not able to solve this proble m ple ase throw som e light on it Thank s Sun
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Total Gadha - Thursday, 20 Se pte m be r 2007, 01:02 AM Hi Gullz, le ase give m e the options. I calculate d highe st value of c as 48% assum ing som e value s but I do not k now if you ne e d answe r in te rm s of a, b, d, e , f or othe rwise . Total Gadha

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Mou Suk oshi - Thursday, 20 Se pte m be r 2007, 01:07 AM A surve y was conducte d of 100 pe ople to find out whe the r the y had re ad re ce nt issue s of Golm al, a m onthly m agazine . The sum m arize d inform ation re garding re ade rship in 3 m onths is give n be low: O nly Se pte m be r: 18, Se pte m be r but not August: 23, September and July: 28, Se pte m be r: 28, July: 48, July and August: 10, None of the thre e m onths: 24. W hat is the num be r of surve ye d pe ople who have re ad e x actly two conse cutive issue s (out of the thre e )? (1) 7 (2) 9 (3) 12 (4) 14 (5) 17 are the se figure s corre ct??
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R V - Thursday, 20 Se pte m be r 2007, 07:47 AM Hi Gullz how did you ge t the e quation a1+2a2+3a3=108?? C ould you ple ase e x plain. Thank you
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Gul Gul - Thursday, 20 Se pte m be r 2007, 09:37 AM TG m so sorry i didnt write the options....I m in office and i forgot 2 bring the pape r in which the que stion was give n i will de finite ly post it in the e ve ning... But i re m e m be r the options for following que stion Q 2 If a,b,c,d,e ,f and g are all distinct the m inim um possible no. of stude nts who e nrolle d for atle ast 1 sport is ? a) 9 b)12 c) 15 d) none
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Gul Gul - Thursday, 20 Se pte m be r 2007, 09:41 AM R V a1 only 1 a2 e x actly 2 a3 e x actly 3 whe n you add all a2 is adde d twice and a3 thrice se e a ve nn diagram for 3 circle s u will ge t it..
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Total Gadha - Thursday, 20 Se pte m be r 2007, 10:17 AM Hi Sun is he re , The options to this C AT 2006 que stion are NOT corre ct. This was one of the two que stions in C AT 2006 that was wrong. Total Gadha
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Mohit Goyal - Thursday, 20 Se pte m be r 2007, 10:31 AM Hi TG. W onde rful Atte m pt to une arth the C once pts of ve nn Dig !! I have som e ve ry inte re sting se ts on Ve nn dig and will shortly post the m but only if you prom ise to re ply m e afte r solving cause i have poste d 2 que rie s e arlie r n dint ge t ne re ply....I am not a re gular use r of TG.com but i re ally be lie ve that you are doing a Noble Job Sir....Hats O ff ... Mohit
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by SS VV - Thursday, 20 Se pte m be r 2007, 10:57 AM k ne w you we re tak ing a while since u had to write it up to your standard which is e x ce lle nt :>:> you rock !!

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by gourav k alra - Thursday, 20 Se pte m be r 2007, 01:24 PM He y..love ly article ...any word of praise wud be le ss... u re ally rock ...am im pre sse d... god ble ss u!!
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Total Gadha - Thursday, 20 Se pte m be r 2007, 02:43 PM Hi Mohit, I will ce rtainly re ply to you. Do post your proble m s. Total Gadha
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Nitin Jain - Thursday, 20 Se pte m be r 2007, 03:12 PM Hi TG Pls re ply to m y post also give n above . Thank s

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Arun Prasad G - Thursday, 20 Se pte m be r 2007, 03:18 PM

TG, it is regarding this problem of apples, bananas and cherries. x + 2y = 125%, where x + y 100%. For minimum value of y, we need maximum value of x. --> x = 75%, y = 25%. I understand this. But after solving this, I wanted to fit this back into the venn diagrams and I am totally confused. For example, I wrote AnBnC as 25, and AnB excluding C as 75, BnC excluding A as 75 and so on. Now I am trying to find only apples, only banana's and only cherries. I am not able to get it fully as I am not getting 100% after writing individual percentages. Please explain this to me. Also I have posted a query on your "How to find the Units Digit of a Number?" . Please respond tp that also. THANK YOU VERY MUC H FOR YOUR WONDERFUL C ONTRIBUTION TO ALL ASPIRANTS. ITS FANTASTIC TO READ EAC H AND EVERY ARTIC LE OF YOURS.

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by rishi sawla - Thursday, 20 Se pte m be r 2007, 03:41 PM He y Arun, I think Sum of Not individually.

AnB excluding C , BnC excluding A and AnC excluding B is 75.

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by ravi te ja - Thursday, 20 Se pte m be r 2007, 05:03 PM hai gulz,

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i was not able to solve e ve n a single que stion in the se t u m e ntione d.can u pass the answe r to m e too if u ge t it ple ase .if ne e de d i can provide the options too.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by ne e lak anta siva - Thursday, 20 Se pte m be r 2007, 05:20 PM for GO LU'S que stion , only hock e y+only football+only crick e t > both H & C and not F +both C & Fand not H+both F & Hand not C > ALL THR EE m e ans H only + F only + C only > inte rse ction of 2 only > inte rse ction of 3 we can tak e inte rse ction of 3 as 0 now inte rse ction of 2 gam e s only can tak e a m ax value of 49, the n only the othe r re m aining part can be 51 and be gre ate r. 49 can be allote d to the inte rse ction of H and C only as we have to m ax crick e t (C ) the n inte rse ction of F&C Xonly= 0 inte rse ction of F&H Xonly=0 the re m aining part can tak e 51 which should be divide d as 16+17+18 and the 16 should be allote d to crick e t(C ) and 17 and 18 can be allote d to only F and only H. This is be cz of the condition (C has to be le ss than A and B) SO 0+0+49+16 = 65 IS THE MAX VALUE C R IC KET C AN TAKE

PAR T 2 &3 O F THE Q IS NO T C O MPLETE

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Total Gadha - Thursday, 20 Se pte m be r 2007, 07:46 PM Hi Nitin, In the pre vious se ts, it has be e n m e ntione d that e ve ry stude nt follows at le ast one activity. This k ind of state m e nt is critical to de te rm ine that AUBUC is fix e d. Eve n if the total num be r of stude nts/pe ople e tc. are give n, if it is not give n that e ve ry pe rson be longs to at le ast one cate gory, AUBUC is not fix e d. Total Gadha
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R V - Friday, 21 Se pte m be r 2007, 08:09 AM

hi Gullz, thank s for the e x planation. i unde rstood it. RV

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Gul Gul - Friday, 21 Se pte m be r 2007, 09:04 AM TG so sorry ye ste rday ne t was nt work ing at m y place ...,he re r d options If d>e >f and c is le ss than a as we ll as b, what is the m ax im um possible value of c? O ptions a) 63 b)64 c)65 d)66 e ) none If a,b,c,d,e ,f and g are all distinct the m inim um possible no. of stude nts who e nrolle d for atle ast 1 sport is ? a)9 b)10 c)11 d) 13 e ) none If a is le ss than b as we ll as c, the no. of stude nts who e nrolle d only for hock e y is ? a) 32 b) 48 c) 49 d) 50 e ) none Answe rs are c, e , c re spe ctive ly......I hav 2 go 4 a full day training

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by sonal singh - Friday, 21 Se pte m be r 2007, 11:21 AM

hello Tg
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Thanks for such a wonderful article. Please explain how did u get 4-3 =1 for the following.and 15 had air conditioning specify all the elements in B or Only B

survey on a sample of 25 new cars being sold at a local auto dealer was conducted to see which of the three popular options air conditioning, radio and power windows were already installed. The survey found:
15 had air conditioning 2 had air conditioning and power windows but no radios 12 had radio 6 had air conditioning and radio but no power windows 11 had power windows 4 had radio and power windows 3 had all three options. What is the number of cars that had none of the options? (CAT 2003) 1. 4 2. 3 3. 1 Answer: We make the Venn diagram and start filling the areas as shown: 4. 2

Total Number of cars according to the diagram = 2 + 6 + 3 + 1 + 5 + 2 + 4 = 23. Therefore, number of cars having none of the given options = 25 - 23 = 2. thanks sonal
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Sum it Singla - Friday, 21 Se pte m be r 2007, 09:04 PM Thank s for the brilliant article TG... Som e thing that I solve d m ostly by hit and trial has be e n m ade sim ple e nough to be solve d ve rbally! YO U R O C K!!
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Saurabh Goyal - Friday, 21 Se pte m be r 2007, 11:46 PM Hi Tg, Found ur Ve nn diagram topic ve ry he lpful, but still ge tting que s with m ore difficulty... I am facing proble m in ge tting the logic of the que stion m e ntione d be low.. Q . In a town 70% of the pe rsons suffe r from dise ase A, 80% from dise ase B, 75% from C and 85% from dise ase D and "P%" from all the four dise ase s. Find the m inim um value of P. i trie d this que s by the above m e ntione d funda in your post, but not ge tting any whe re with the logic. will it be 200% of surplus now?as the com m on 1 be twe e n all four fie lds will be incre ase d by 1 in com parison to 3 fie lds???

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Total Gadha - Saturday, 22 Se pte m be r 2007, 11:50 AM Hi Saurabh, A + B + C + D = 310%. The re fore , surplus = 210%. Now, the inte rse ction of 4 se ts can accom m odate a surplus of 3 pe r e le m e nt. The inte rse ction of 3 se ts can accom m odate a surplus of 2 pe r e le m e nt. The m ax im um surplus it can accom m odate is 2 100% = 200%. The surplus of 10% would be le ft. Now you can de cre ase inte rse ction of two se ts and shift the de cre ase d am ount in the inte rse ction of 3 se ts. Going by this m anne r, you can quick ly obtain that if you k e e p 90% in inte rse ction of 2 se ts and 10% in the inte rse ction of 3 se ts, the surplus accom m odate d = 90 2 + 10 3 = 210%. The re fore , the m inim um value of P = 10%. The m ax im um will be whe n P accom m odate s all the surplus. The re fore , m ax im um value = 210/3 = 70%
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by nitin ve rm a - Monday, 24 Se pte m be r 2007, 03:39 PM Hi TG, I lik e this site ve ry m uch. I thank you for e nte rtaining m y re que st of e x plaining m y doubt. I am ve ry m uch thank ful to you. YO ur e x planation is fantastic and e asy to grasp. You wont be lie ve be fore i struggle d hard to unde rstand the conce pt but could not, but your docile e x planation is so cle ar that any sane pe rson can grasp it. Thank you ve ry m uch. I will com e back to you with m ore such re que st. You are he lping cat aspirants in a big way.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Gul Gul - Tue sday, 25 Se pte m be r 2007, 08:52 AM TG options r give n now.........
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Total Gadha - Tue sday, 25 Se pte m be r 2007, 11:31 AM Hi Gullz, Have tak e n the printout of your que stion. Le t m e have a go at it. Total Gadha
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Abhra C hatte rje e - W e dne sday, 26 Se pte m be r 2007, 06:14 PM A too good article ........ Thank s a lot TG
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by am it sharm a - Thursday, 27 Se pte m be r 2007, 02:28 AM Hi TG It was a goog article but i have one que ry In the above que we e scape the inte rse ction of 2 se t which can accom odate 1 surplus pe r e le m e nt and if we considde r it the n m in value of P=0 .
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by abc abc - Thursday, 27 Se pte m be r 2007, 01:56 PM Thank s a ton for this one !!!!!! This topic has not figure d at le ngth in m ost of the note s available to stude nts !!!!
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by shinjini m ondal - Saturday, 29 Se pte m be r 2007, 11:09 PM hi TG nice article ,e sp lik e d m ax im a m inim a application in it.and ple ase do add for com bination of four se ts.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by swe ta x - Sunday, 30 Se pte m be r 2007, 08:42 PM

C itie s.doc Hi TG , I've be e n following your forum since long now ....And I m ust say thank you for all the since re e ffort put into m ak ing MBA pre p e asie r for all of us. I have a doubt re garding the ve nn diagram s article ..... Had a proble m on sim ilar line s in Mock C AT 6 of tim e and trie d using the funda ,( it was a proble m with 5 se ts of data ove rlapping) , so I think I m ight not have unde rstood the proble m prope rly.

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is the proble m and m y approach ....

I'd be ve ry gr8ful if u could te ll m e whats wrong with m y approach !!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by pranav te ndolk ar - Sunday, 30 Se pte m be r 2007, 11:13 PM re e e e e e e e e e aaaallly ve ry goood,

can u e x plain sam e things in case of 4 or 5 circle ve nn diagram s... is the re any the ore tical way othe r than drawing ve nn diagram as highe r diagram s are com ple x

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Alpa de dhia - Monday, 1 O ctobe r 2007, 10:23 AM Hi swe ta, for the first que stion i have sim ply tak e n the le ast num be r of pe ople in e ach citie s who can opt for all the qualitie s . so the no is 26+25+26+18+15+29 = 139 for the se cond que stion .. is 37 the answe r .. ple ase le t m e k nw.. re gards Alpa
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by ran for_cat - Tue sday, 2 O ctobe r 2007, 12:35 PM for the 1st one a+b+c-e -2f+g=100 also d+e +f+g =100 now a+b+c = 100+e +2f-g so e +2f+-g should be m ax ... now d+e +f+g =100 and d>e >f ==> for e and f to be as m ax as possible e should be 32 and f is 33...(g=0 and f=35) so a+b+c =100+32+66=198 so for a>c and b>c c can have a m ax value of 65 he re .

for the 2nd que stion: a+b+c-e -2f+g=100 d+e +f+g =100 k e e p d=0 ==> we can che ck for any arbitary value s of e f and g that the distinct value s are possible e +f+g =100 or g=1 e =50 f=49 a+b+c =100 -1 +50+49=198 a b c can have diffe re nt value s he re as we ll.

for the 3rd que stion b>a and c>a ==> le t say b and c constitute s the sam e e le m e nts in that case the m ax possible value of a is 49.whe re a contains all the e le m e nts distinct from b and c
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Uthay Mathi - Tue sday, 2 O ctobe r 2007, 05:21 PM This is a cool stuff de ar TG.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by lavik a gupta - W e dne sday, 3 O ctobe r 2007, 04:26 PM

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hi tg.pls post som e te x t on functions,m ax im a and m inim a
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by swe ta x - W e dne sday, 3 O ctobe r 2007, 11:34 PM He y Alpha, U got it right how did u solve the se cond one (37)
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Kum ar M - W e dne sday, 3 O ctobe r 2007, 11:51 PM Hi TG In the first e x am pe proble m of m ax im a & m inim a u have m e ntione d "As the inte rse ction of only two se ts can accom m odate only a surplus of 100%".How it can be only 100% why cant we accom m adate the suplus of 110% as follows? only Apple and Banana = 30%;only apple and che rry = 40%; only Banana and C he rry = 40% re m aining 5 can be only Banana. C an we m inim ise the only thre e part as i e x plaine d. Ple ase he lp m e .... Thank s & R e gards, CM

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Varun C houdhary - Thursday, 4 O ctobe r 2007, 11:59 AM Kudos Sir.............
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by sgx 100 O nline - Saturday, 6 O ctobe r 2007, 07:04 AM TG Sir Mindblowing article Absolute ly te rrific !!! Thnx a lot Sir if u can he lp with one article on Graphs (line ar,quadratic,m odulus...) it wud be re ally he lpful to all of us Thank ing You
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by ashish tyagi - Saturday, 6 O ctobe r 2007, 11:20 AM re ally a ve ry gud article t g sir, i have a proble m pls solve it........ 1 A surve y was conducte d on the e ating habits of a group of 1000 pe ople .re sults show that 92% of the pe ople surve ye d e at south Indian food, 91% e at north Indian food,82% e at Am e rican food , 78% e at C hine se food, 79% e at italin food and 80% e at contine ntal food. W hat m ust be the m inim um no. of pe ople who e at all the 6 type of food, if 7 pe ople do not e at any of the 6 type s of food? A:0 B:13 c:27 D:55
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by shriram sam ant - Saturday, 6 O ctobe r 2007, 05:10 PM fantastic... mindblowing... superb....

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thanks TG.... Total Genius.....
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Ank ush Ke shwani - Sunday, 7 O ctobe r 2007, 05:52 PM A ve ry good e x planation. Thank s a lot!!
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Abhra C hatte rje e - Thursday, 11 O ctobe r 2007, 10:19 AM Hi TG, I am not able to solve this que stion prope rly: A survey about Tv viewership was conducted on 100 respondents. The results are, 93 liked sony,89 liked Zee, 81 liked Stratv, 75 liked zee cinema, 78 like Mtv. 1 did not like any of the above. Find the minimum number of people liking all the the 5 channels. I will te ll you the approach that I followe d. Ple ase corre ct m e whe re I am going wrong. The total num be r of pe ople watching any of the se channe ls = (100-1)=99(I don't watch any). Now the surplus = [(93+89+81+75+78) - 99] = 317. Now for e ve ry incre ase in the num be r of vie we rs watching two channe ls, the re is actually a 20% incre ase from the initial (I am not sure whe the r we have to conside r all the 5 com binations or not). The n for e ve ry incre ase in the num be r of pe ople watching 3 channe ls, the re is a re sultant incre ase of [8-5]/5 = 60% (He re also are we to conside r the total num be r of com binations possible ). Again for e ve ry incre ase in the num be r of pe ople watching 4 channe ls, the re sultant incre ase = [9-5]/5 = 80%. Now he re I conside r the com binations of groups possible for e ach of the se groups: 2 channe l groups = 5. 3 channe l groups = 3. 4 channe l groups = 2. So the surplus we have be e n able to cove r till now = (100+180+160) = 340. So the re ne e d not be any pe ople watching all the five channe ls. I am not at all confide nt of the answe r arrive d at. Som e body Ple ase he lp !!!!
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Prasad L - Saturday, 13 O ctobe r 2007, 12:01 PM TG Sir, I have no words to de scribe the am azing work you are doing ...... BTW , the TIME m ate rial also has som e quick m e thods to crack the ve nn diagram s. Hope the TG use rs m ak e use of that as we ll... ATB!
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Mou Suk oshi - Monday, 15 O ctobe r 2007, 01:05 PM hi ashish..... A surve y was conducte d on the e ating habits of a group of 1000 pe ople .re sults show that 92% of the pe ople surve ye d e at south Indian food, 91% e at north Indian food,82% e at Am e rican food , 78% e at C hine se food, 79% e at italin food and 80% e at contine ntal food. W hat m ust be the m inim um no. of pe ople who e at all the 6 type of food, if 7 pe ople do not e at any of the 6 type s of food? A:0 B:13 c:27 D:55 ppl havi ng south i ndi an food = 920 ppl havi ng north i ndi an food = 910 ppl havi ng Ameri can food = 820 ppl havi ng Chi nese food = 780 ppl havi ng Itali an food = 790 ppl havi ng Conti nental food = 800 hence, total= 920 + 910 + 820 + 780 + 790 + 800 = 5020

Of the 1000 ppl, 7 dont like any of the 6 types. Remaining = 1000 -7 = 993 Surplus = 5020 - 993 (Becoz 7 ppl dont like any of the 6 types of food) = 4027 Accomodating the surplus in the portions of 5 intersecting groups, we can have at most 993 * 4 = 3972 ppl surplus. Remaining surplus to be accomodated in the portion where all 6 groups intersect = 4027 -3972 =
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55 Hence, answer (D)55.......... Plz let me know if i am correct....... Thnx........


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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R ishi Kapoor - W e dne sday, 17 O ctobe r 2007, 07:02 AM Hi Abhra... The answe r is atle ast 20 pe ople watch all 5 channe ls... For solutiuon, se e the above post ...RK...
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by m anjari m alpani - Friday, 19 O ctobe r 2007, 01:37 PM hi the article is awe som e !!!!! thank s ....n ashish is the answe r to ur que stion 27 ?option c
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Ajay ..... - Thursday, 8 Nove m be r 2007, 11:49 PM hi som porna can u e x plain why did u accom adate d pe rsons in 5 inte rse cting group and why not in 1 2 3 4 one 's m e ans u r assum ing those to be Ze ro ??? Plz do e x plain.othe rwise u are absolute ly corre ct..
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by the te rm inator - Monday, 12 Nove m be r 2007, 05:57 PM @ dine sh m unna he y if u urse lf cant post som e thg use ful le t othe rs do it and by d way donno y u r so critical abt the article . and can u u plz e x plain wat u m e an by ur so calle d "FUNDAS". think be fore u write . be fore this how m any use ful posts u hav put up??? nothing pe rsonal but be care ful wat u write .
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by the unde rdog - Tue sday, 13 Nove m be r 2007, 10:56 AM Hi TG, I don't think the C AT 2006 que stion (July-Se pt-August) is wrong. Its ask ing for those who re ad conse cutive issue s: July-August and AugustSe pte m be r July-August: 7 August-Se pte m be r: 2 So answe r is 9. O r e lse I have m isunde rstood the que stion.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Bharat Suri - Tue sday, 13 Nove m be r 2007, 09:38 PM sir shouldnt m ax im um value ,re garding the e x am ple give n by u about the colle ge stude nts, be 57% and NO T 54% ie the m ax im um value for the stude nts to tak e all the 3 fie lds as all the arts ppl can tak e the othe r two as we ll .
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Mou Suk oshi - Friday, 16 Nove m be r 2007, 12:13 PM hi ajay

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look close ly thru TG's article ...... we m ove to 2 inte rse cting grps only whe n we are unable to accom odate within non-inte rse cting portions...... sim ilarly, we m ove to 3 inte rse cting grps only whe n we are unable to accom odate within 2 inte rse cting grps........ lik e in the prob, we m ove the surplus to gps whe re all inte rse ct only whe n we cannot accom odate the m within 5 inte rse cting grps........ so we have alre ady conside re d sm alle r inte rse cting grps be fore m oving on to the highe r num be r of inte rse cting grps...... i sugge st u draw a diag as it will he lp u to unde rstand the accom odation of the surplus be tte r........

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Mou Suk oshi - Friday, 16 Nove m be r 2007, 12:15 PM hi ajay look close ly thru TG's article ...... we m ove to 2 inte rse cting grps only whe n we are unable to accom odate within non-inte rse cting portions...... sim ilarly, we m ove to 3 inte rse cting grps only whe n we are unable to accom odate within 2 inte rse cting grps........ lik e in the prob, we m ove the surplus to gps whe re all inte rse ct only whe n we cannot accom odate the m within 5 inte rse cting grps........ so we have alre ady conside re d sm alle r inte rse cting grps be fore m oving on to the highe r num be r of inte rse cting grps...... i sugge st u draw a diag as it will he lp u to unde rstand the accom odation of the surplus be tte r........

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by yash m odi - W e dne sday, 4 June 2008, 10:57 PM a big thank u to tg sir,

brilliantly e x plaine d conce pts ...thank s a ton sir...be tte r than any coaching you can ge t..thank s again;;
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Divyasha R ay - Tue sday, 24 June 2008, 05:26 PM

Hi TG sir Can u please help me with this particular question??? A survey was conducted in a community of 350 people regarding three games - Chess ,Carrom and Chinese Checkers. The Following information is obtained in the survey. (i) Thrice the no. of people who play all the three games is equal to the no. of people who Chinese Checkers . (ii) The no. of people who play Chinese Checkers and Carrom is equal to the no. of people who play Chess only (iii) In every three people who play Chess and Chinese Checkers only, there are five people who play none of the three games. (iv) In every seven people who play Chinese Checkers, four people play Carrom also. (v) For every four people who play exactly two games,there is one person who plays Carrom and Chinese Checkers only and two persons who play none of the three games Questions: 1. How many people play exactly two games? 2. How many people play Chess but not Carrom? 3. How many people do not play Chinese Checkers? 4.How many people play Chess or Carrom Divyasha Edit | De
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by abhinav tripathi - Thursday, 26 June 2008, 11:21 AM TG you rock m an.....!!!!

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ve nn diagram s we re always a m atte r of conce rn for m e ........you fre e d m e ............!!! thank s a lot.... waiting for an article on graphs.......
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by shubham singh - Thursday, 3 July 2008, 02:26 PM tg u just gre at!!! initially i was so scare d of ve nn diagram n m ax im a n m inim a but now afte r going thru ur article ,m m uch re lie ve d...thank u
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Mou Suk oshi - Friday, 4 July 2008, 11:13 AM @ Divyasha The re shd be one m ore condition for the C arrom O nly portion. All the othe r se ctions can be e x pre sse d in te rm s of a single variable . Plz che ck the prob. Som parna
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by A S - Monday, 7 July 2008, 09:48 AM hi tg, This is the first tim e I am writing in this forum . And be fore e ve rything e lse i want to say that you are sim ply gre at!! I got to find your we bsite 2 m onths back , and you k now what, within this short tim e span m y confide nce and grip ove r quant. part have incre ase d tre m e ndously. I wrote C AT in 2006, and ne e dle ss to say it was pathe tic . This ye ar I am going to write it m ore confide ntly. And one day I'll join you to he lp stude nts...at le ast thats what I dre am today.. Anyway, le ts com e to the busine ss!!! I unde rstand the way you have pre se nte d the m ax im a and m inim a using Ve nn diagram ..but I think it can be sim plifie d to furthe r e x te nt. I discove re d this whe n I was at C lass 12 and use d it confide ntly without any hiccup. Hope this will he lp othe rs too. Ple ase le t m e k now your valuable input on the sam e . Le t X = Ele m e nts having only A or only B or only C Y = Ele m e nts having two e le m e nts e x actly. Z = Ele m e nts com m on with all thre e e le m e nts (inte rse ction of all thre e se ts) So, we 'll always be give n, (X + 2Y + 3Z) (X + Y + Z) = 100 % W e ge ne rally have to find m in or m ax of Z. That can e asily be done by adjusting X or Y. Le t's tak e this e x am ple : "In a colle ge , whe re e ve ry stude nt follows at le ast one of the thre e activitie s- dram a, sports, or arts- 65% follow dram a, 86% follow sports, and 57% follow arts. W hat can be the m ax im um and m inim um pe rce ntage of stude nts who follow all thre e activitie s e x actly two activitie s" (X + 2Y + 3Z) = 208% (X + Y + Z) = 100% [If Z has to be fix e d (be m in or m ax ) e ithe r X or Y has to be ze ro (the y can not be ne gative , re m e m be r). Now who will corre spond to m ax and who to m in - only que stion. If X = 0, Y + Z will 'e at away' m ax im um Z, le aving sm all Z. So it will be use d to calculate m in Z. Vice -ve rsa.] In this case , for m in Z, X = 0% => Z = 8%, X = 0%, Y = 92% for m ax Z, Y = 0% => Z = 54%, X = 46% and Y = 0% It m ay se e m to ve ry le ngthy proce ss, but practically ve ry sm all and e asy to unde rstand. Sorry for posting such a long and boring m ail. But I got the chance to com m unicate with you and could not re sist m yse lf...sorry again!! Abhishe k
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Total Gadha - Monday, 7 July 2008, 12:42 PM Hi Abhishe k , W e lcom e to the gadha gang. Thank you for the m e thod. I will try it out and che ck . And good luck to you or your C AT. As for he lping stude nts, you are m ore than we lcom e . W e can ce rtainly do with som e m ore hands. Total Gadha

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by dibyaranjan m allick - Tue sday, 8 July 2008, 01:08 AM 416 will be the total... 416 - 99 = 317 be the surplus 3x + 4y = 317, x + y = 100% m ax i.e . 99 so, y = 317 - 99*3 = 20. (ans)
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by dibyaranjan m allick - Tue sday, 8 July 2008, 01:20 AM yaar it's the sam e thing as writte n in this article . (X + 2Y + 3Z) = 208% (X + Y + Z) = 100% ---------------------- de duct y + z = 108% and that's what this article e x plains
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Prashant Kum ar - Tue sday, 8 July 2008, 08:36 AM He llo TG, It re ally ve ry tailor m ade inform aion for C AT.But te ll m e one thing In the se ction " When

the total number of elements is NOT fixed " .We have 210 interviews in IIM A.So cant we take this problem in the same way as calculating the surplus (105+56+50-210=1).But the solution comes out to be spurious using this.Please help me
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by A S - Tue sday, 8 July 2008, 10:59 AM He y dibya, of course it will give the sam e answe r and will e ve ntually form sam e e quations..what i m e an to say that in ste ad of the proce ss 'inje cting' one e le m e nt in com m on are a, i find it e asie r to calculate the m in this alge braic m e thod..I am not giving a brand ne w the ory..just anothe r pe rspe ctive of look ing at this k ind of proble m .
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R ajat Vashishta - Sunday, 13 July 2008, 12:34 AM Thank s TG for a gre at article . it was re ally use ful. this is a que stion from one of the AIMC ATs. I found it re ally tough to solve ..ple ase guide . Q . In a group of 100 stude nts, e ach stude nt has to opt for one or m ore of the 3 subje cts am ong Physics, C he m and Maths. The num be r of stude nts opting for m aths is m ore than that of physics which in turn is m ore than that of che m , which in turn, is m ore than the no of stude nts opting for e x actly 2 of the 3 subje cts, which in turn, is m ore than the no of stude nts opting for all the 3 subje cts. It is also said that at le ast one stude nt opte d for all the 3 subje cts. 1. Max no of stude nts opting for che m :? a)72 b)79 c)80 d)81 e )None of the se 2. Min no of stude nts opting for m aths:? a)38 b)37 c)36 d)35 e )34 3. If e x actly half the stude nts opte d for m aths, what is the m ax no of stude nts who opte d for all the thre e subje cts? a)15 b)16 c)17 d)18 e )19 4. Max no of stude nts who opte d for only physics:? a)33 b)50 c)49 d)48 e )52 5. Max no of stude nts who opte d for physics and che m but not m aths:? a)47 b)48 c)49 d)50 e )51
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R ajat Vashishta - Sunday, 13 July 2008, 12:43 AM "49 can be allote d to the inte rse ction of H and C only as we have to m ax crick e t (C )"..how? if we do that won't c be com e gre ate r than b? the q says c
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by m ohan chandra - W e dne sday, 16 July 2008, 12:07 AM Hi, C ould you ple ase guide m e to solve this proble m of C hine se che ck e rs. R e gards, Mohan
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Am e y Pank e - W e dne sday, 16 July 2008, 01:49 AM thank you TG sir.......... the conce pts are of gre at he lp..... u rock sir!!!!!!!
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by ashish jain - Thursday, 17 July 2008, 03:09 AM He llo TG sir, Following the sam e que stion which Nitin Jain has ask e d above , I still have doubt re garding the classification of proble m s into Fix e d and NonFix e d cate gory. In your answe r above , did you m e an that if it is not give n that e ve ry pe rson be longs to at le ast one cate gory , the n the re m ay be som e pe rsons who doe sn't be long to any cate gory and he nce AUBUC is not fix e d ? C an you e x plain this classification in de tail ple ase ? Thank s and R e gards, Ashish
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by inde rpre e t m ak k ar - Thursday, 17 July 2008, 03:11 AM

Hello TG Sir I dint get the concept of x+y and x+2y clearly...can u pls help me wit hthe same... Regards Inder
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by inde rpre e t m ak k ar - Thursday, 17 July 2008, 03:29 AM

Hi Understood the logic u gave to Kishore...thnx for the same..dint get the last part though, how could u say that the maximum could be 92 abd minm beibg 8...its beyond my comprehension presently..would appreciate if u can help me wid that.. Rgds Inder
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R iyaz Iqbal - Tue sday, 22 July 2008, 09:30 AM Hi TG,

I'm im pre sse d ! Again !! Thank s for your quality conce ptual le sssons. I've a que stion about the Dram a,Arts,Sports que stion. Since the le ast pe rce ntage give n is 57% why can't we just include 57 to the inte rse ction of all thre e are as and adjust the re m aining value s? Le ave the are as of inte rse ction of e x actly two se ts e m pty(which give s the m inim a of ze ro for that are a,as you've alre ady prove d) and put 57 in the inte rse ction of all thre e are as.Again ze ro for 'only arts', 8 for 'only dram a' and 29 for 'only sports'. It se e m s this satisfie s all the conditions(Am I m issing som e thing?). So, shouldn't the m ax value be 57 inste ad of 54? Ple ase clarify.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R iyaz Iqbal - Tue sday, 22 July 2008, 05:46 PM

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Sorry, TG.I found the fallacy in m y argum e nt. The total pe rce ntage doe sn't add up to 100 in the case propose d by m e .
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Adithya G - W e dne sday, 23 July 2008, 09:03 AM Hi TG, Nice stuff..ve ry m uch im pre sse d with the quality and sim plicity. I would lik e add one m ore te chnique about m inim a whe n total num be r is fix e d or whe n total num be r can be found out.. I ll e x plain throughthe sam e e x am ple s illustrate d above . 1.According to a surve y, at le ast 70% of pe ople lik e apple s, at le ast 75% lik e bananas and at le ast 80% lik e che rrie s. W hat is the m inim um pe rce ntage of pe ople who lik e all thre e ? Ans: for m in of all thre e = 100-((100-70)+(100-75)+(100-80)) =>100-(30+25+20)=100-75=25 2.In a colle ge , whe re e ve ry stude nt follows at le ast one of the thre e activitie s- dram a, sports, or arts65% follow dram a, 86% follow sports, and 57% follow arts. W hat can be the m ax im um and m inim um pe rce ntage of stude nts who follow all thre e activitie s e x actly two activitie s Ans:m in For all thre e activitie s= 100-((100-65)+(100-86)+(100-57)) =>100-(35+14+43)=100-92=8% m ax For e x actly two=100-8=92%(since x +2y=100 and m in of all thre e can be use d) R e gards Adi
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4 Set or Greater Venn diagrams by de vi prak ash - Tue sday, 5 August 2008, 03:30 AM Hi TG plz give som e e asie r ways to solve 4 se t or 6 se t ve nn diagram s
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Re: 4 Set or Greater Venn diagrams by Jungle e Gadha - Friday, 12 Se pte m be r 2008, 05:34 PM hi de vi da... ple ase post your 4 se t or 6 se t ve nn diagram s proble m ...
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by am it am it - W e dne sday, 17 Se pte m be r 2008, 08:34 PM I am a avid re ade r of TG site . An I have to adm it that the quality of stuff on this site is sim ply gre at. In today's world whe re e ve rything is com m e rcialize d, the way u r spre ading k nowle dge is sim ply unhe ard of. I work on Linux and cant he lp noticing the sim ilarity be twe e n the unde rlying the m e of Linux and your e nde avor. Knowle dge is fre e and should be share d. You are on som e thing gre at TG. Ke e p up the good work . God Ble ss.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Total Gadha - Friday, 19 Se pte m be r 2008, 07:58 PM Hi Am it, Thank you. Total Gadha
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Saurabh Mishra - Saturday, 20 Se pte m be r 2008, 11:54 AM Ve nn diagram s involving m ax im a and m inim a have always be e n m y ne m e sis. This post re ally he lpe d a lot. W ould be re ally gre 8 if we could ge t som e m ore practice que stions or sam ple s. Ne ve rthe le ss, a gre at post
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by srini vaas - Saturday, 20 Se pte m be r 2008, 04:47 PM He y TG,

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by sathyan sadagopan - Monday, 22 Se pte m be r 2008, 04:34 AM hi TG, A sm all clarification, in d above e x planation, Going by this m anne r, you can quick ly obtain that if you k e e p 90% in inte rse ction of 2 se ts and 10% in the inte rse ction of 3 se ts, the surplus accom m odate d = 90 2 + 10 3 = 210%. shouldn this be Going by this m anne r, you can quick ly obtain that if you k e e p 90% in inte rse ction of 3 se ts and 10% in the inte rse ction of 4 se ts, the surplus accom m odate d = 90 2 + 10 3 = 210%.

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by k aran sobti - Tue sday, 23 Se pte m be r 2008, 10:56 PM a ve ry good article inde e d.....but i ne e d m ore proble m s & e x am ple s lik e the se .... thanx
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by k aran sobti - Tue sday, 23 Se pte m be r 2008, 10:57 PM a ve ry good article inde e d.....but i ne e d m ore proble m s & e x am ple s lik e the se .... thanx
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by SHR ESHTH ANAND - W e dne sday, 24 Se pte m be r 2008, 02:13 AM Hi TG, Inde e d it's a ve ry nice article but I have som e proble m s in handling Max im a and Minim a proble m s. Say, If i have to find out the following things : In a town pe ople re ad five k inds of ne wspape rs say A, B ,C ,Dand E. Say, 90% re ad pape r A , 74% pape r B , 80% pape r C ,65% pape r D and 40% pape r E. Now if I have to find at m ost how m any re ad e x actly four out of five pape rs and e x actly 3 out of five . And at le ast how m any re ad e x actly four out of five pape rs and e x actly 3 out of five . How should I go about it????? Kindly he lp R e gards Shre shth Anand
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Sre e de vi PV - W e dne sday, 24 Se pte m be r 2008, 06:58 PM Hi TG,

Again Kudoooos. U rock . Max &m in funda was a bit confusing whe n i first re ad it. . Now its cle ar....and se e m s lik e a re al ge m .

Q ue stion:According to a surve y, at le ast 70% of pe ople lik e apple s, at le ast 75% lik e bananas and at le ast 80% lik e che rrie s. W hat is the m inim um pe rce ntage of pe ople who lik e all thre e ? To ge t the answe r, I use a one -line r funda.Se e m s it work s e ve rytim e . Hope its use ful. Minim um Pe rce ntage of pe ople who lik e all thre e = 80 (100-75)-(100-70) =25

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R ohit Pathak - Thursday, 25 Se pte m be r 2008, 10:54 AM Hi Shre shth, For at m ost how m any re ad e x actly 4 out of 5 pape rs the answe r that i am ge tting is 83% and for at le ast how m any re ad e x actly 4 out of 5 i am ge tting 49% ple ase le t m e k now if the se are corre ct. Thank s R ohit
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Aastha C halana - Thursday, 25 Se pte m be r 2008, 03:20 PM Hi, This le sson was of gre at he lp, though sm all but im portant fundas. In all i throughly e njoye d work ing on it! Thank s.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Koshe r InBlue s - Thursday, 25 Se pte m be r 2008, 09:58 PM HI TG I am a ne w fan of yours , and i re ally lik e the way you pre se nt a topic "to the point ",,,,,, Thank s
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by LALIT MALIK - W e dne sday, 8 O ctobe r 2008, 05:36 AM Hi C an you te ll why be fore adding the surplus to the inte rse ction of the thre e se ts we are subracting the sam e am ount from the inte rse ction of only two se ts lik e if the surplus is 108% the n can't we re pre se nt the surplus in this m anne r - 100% is from inte rse ction of two se ts only and 4% (which m e ans surplus of 8%) from the inte rse ction of thre e se ts. why we have tak e 8% out from the inte rse ction of 2 se ts and the n add 8% to inte rse ction of thre e se ts. Kindly do re ply

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Ne e le sh Se thi - Monday, 27 O ctobe r 2008, 12:58 AM

thnx sir for great topic,intersection of only two sets can accommodate only a surplus of 100%,is it because intersection of 2 eta gives surplus of 1 element.So by that logic is it tht intersection of 3 sets can accomodate 200%.by that logic intersection of n sets can accomodate n-1 % surplus.and also if any 1 knows line technique for such problems, plz explain.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by shantanu rangaswam i - Monday, 10 Nove m be r 2008, 11:08 AM he y ,,,,wass up,,,can u che ck six th line from top of ur re ply .......d>e >f,,,nd g is 0shouldn't d=35 e =33 &f=32

....if m not wrong...

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Suk anya C howdhury - Friday, 19 De ce m be r 2008, 12:32 AM

Hi Shreshth, I'v also got the same answer.. At least 49% and at most 83% for those who read exactly four out of 5 papers . @TG , Can yu please check whether it's right .n solve the other part of the qsn. THanks . Sukanya.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by vik as sharm a - Saturday, 21 Fe bruary 2009, 11:35 AM

In a college, where every student follows at least one of the three activities- drama, sports, or arts- 65% follow drama, 86% follow sports, and 57% follow arts. What can be the maximum and minimum percentage of students who follow all three activities exactly two activities Answer: Let us again see the surplus: Percentage of students who follow drama + Percentage of students who follow sports + Percentage of students who follow arts = 65% + 86% + 57% = 208% surplus = 108%. This surplus can be accommodated through adding elements either to intersection of only two sets or to intersection of only three sets. As the intersection of only two sets can accommodate only a surplus of 100%, the surplus of 8% will still be left. This surplus of 8% can be accommodated by adding elements to intersection of three sets. For that we have to take 8% out of the intersection of only two sets and add it to intersection of three sets. Therefore, the minimum percentage of people who like all three = 8%. In this case the percentage of students who follow exactly two activities will be maximum = 92%. The surplus of 108% can also be accommodated through adding elements to only intersection of three sets. As adding 1 element to intersection of three sets give a surplus of 2 sets, adding 54% to intersection of three sets will give a surplus of 108%. Therefore, the maximum value of students who follow all three activities is 54%. In this case the percentage of students who follow exactly two activities will be minimum = 0%. We can also solve it mathematically x + 2y = 108%, where x + y 100%. The maximum value of x will give minimum value of y, whereas minimum value of x will give maximum value of y.

HI SRI KLR C AN U PLEASE EXPLAIN ME THIS AGAIN I DIDNT GET WHY 54% AND HOW ADDING IN ONE ADD IN ALL .WAITING FOR REPLY
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by vik as sharm a - Saturday, 21 Fe bruary 2009, 11:46 AM hi TG SIR C AN U ELABO R ATE BELO W GIVEN AGAIN

In diagram 1, we have added 1 element to intersection of only two sets (A and B but not C ). We can see that A and B both increase by 1 and therefore we get a surplus of 1 element. In diagram 2, we have added 1 element to intersection of all the three sets (A and B and C ). We can see that A, B and C all three increase by 1 element each and therefore we get a surplus of 2 elements. Therefore, in case of three sets, we can accommodate the surplus by adding elements to intersection of only two sets in which case a surplus of 1 element can be accommodated by increase of 1 element in the intersection of only two sets. adding elements to intersection of three sets in which case a surplus of 2 elements can be accommodated by increase of 1 element in the intersection of three sets.

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Ashish Sharm a - Saturday, 25 April 2009, 09:26 AM supe rcool

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by vak ati babu - Sunday, 31 May 2009, 11:19 PM The re are 10 pe ople le arning A, 11 pe ople le arning B and 14 pe ople le arning C . The num be r of pe ople le arning just one is 20. The num be r of pe ople le arning all thre e is 3. How m any pe ople only le arn two of thre e ?

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by W illiam W allace - W e dne sday, 3 June 2009, 05:52 PM Hi TG, Kudos to u as it's re ally a wonde rful article but i have som e doubts re late d to that. in 1st proble m " According to a survey, at least 70% of people like apples, at least 75% like bananas and at least 80% like cherries. What is

the minimum percentage of people who like all three?" u said surplus is 125 % and hence the minimum% of people who like all three is 25% But in second problem "In a college, where every student follows at least one of the three activities- drama, sports, or arts- 65% follow drama, 86% follow sports, and 57% follow arts. What can be the maximum and minimum percentage of students who follow all three activities exactly two activities" The surplus of 108% can also be accommodated through adding elements to only intersection of three sets. As adding 1 element to intersection of three sets give a surplus of 2 sets, adding 54% to intersection of three sets will give a surplus of 108%. Therefore, the maximum value of students who follow all three activities is 54% My question is that shouldn't the answer in the 1st problem be 12.5 % rather 25% as is the case in the second question?? I hope u get my doubt Please answer this and clear this doubt.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by W illiam W allace - W e dne sday, 3 June 2009, 06:05 PM Hi Vak ati, draw diagram , form ulate e quations and done a+d+f=7 b+d+e =8 f+e +c=11 a+b+c=20 to find d+f+c=(26-20)/2=3. Sorry could't draw the diagram .
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...Is ans 3???

Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by vik as yadav - Friday, 19 June 2009, 03:18 PM @Targe tIIM Hi dude , Ple ase re ad the state m e nts be low care fully as m e ntione d by TG sir while e x plaining the sam e proble m . This surplus of 25% can be accom m odate d by adding e le m e nts to inte rse ction of thre e se ts. For that we have to tak e 25% out of the inte rse ction of only two se ts and add it to inte rse ction of thre e se ts. The re fore , the m inim um pe rce ntage of pe ople who lik e all thre e = 25%. So,actually v are tak ing out the e le m e nts from the inte rse ctions of two se ts and putting the m in all the 3 se ts inte rse ction space .This would m e an cove ring a surplus of 1 pe r e le m e nt tak e n out from the se ts of twin inte rse ction.He nce ,it would be 25% and not 12.5% de ar. I hope you got m y e x plaination we ll. Thank s
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by W illiam W allace - Friday, 3 July 2009, 02:28 PM Thank s Vik as
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Pragya dasgupta - Sunday, 12 July 2009, 07:30 PM HEllo C an Anyone he lp m e ith this proble m Is the re any Fix e d proce ss to solve this ype of proble m s. in a job fair am ong 100 participants who atte nde d the inte rvie w,the num be r of participants who atte nde d for com pany A is m ore than that of co. B is m ore than that of C .The no of participants who atte nde d inte rvie w of e x actly one co. is m ore than that of 2,which in turn is m ore than that of 3.Am ong the se 100 participants at le ast one pe rson atte nde d the inte rvie w of all the 3 com panie s. Q :W hat is the m inim un possible no. of participants who atte nde d the inte rvie w of co. A? a.36 b.38 c.37 d.40 e .48 Q .W hat is the m ax possible no of participants who atte nde d the inte rvie w of co. C ? a.56 b.45 c.65 d.67 e .64

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by vive k ghiria - Sunday, 26 July 2009, 06:25 PM Hi TG I am going through le ssons in this forum one by one . I have one conce rn. Afte r going through a particular le sson, If fe w proble m s pe rtaining to that chapte r will be available , the n it will he lp us a lot. As of now, I have to se arch the proble m s re late d to that chapte r in Q uant-DI forum which tak e bit e x tra tim e . Thank s a lot for the le ssons Vive k
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Nitin Kum ar - Thursday, 13 August 2009, 11:08 PM

Hi TG, Que: In a class of 120 students, each student studies at least one of the subjects from H, E and M. 59 study H, 67 study E and 73 study M. 34 study M+H, 26 study E+M and 33 study H+E. Then find the max and min number of students who study all the three subjects? If I solve the question by drawing the venn diagram the max value I am getting as 26. While if I solve this question in this way then I m getting rt ans. total students - 120 surplus = 59+67+73-120=79 Total number of students study more than one sub = 34+33+26=93 b'coz surplus is 79 but being accomodated is 93, that's why max no. of students study more than 3 subjects is 93-79=14 Please let me know is this correct way of sloving this que.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by ashu jain - Thursday, 17 Se pte m be r 2009, 01:04 PM The proble m that I am facing is that the le sson is give n on solving the que stion base d on pe rce ntage but m ost of the tim e the que stion doe s not contain pe rce ntage but re al num be rs whe re conve rting into pe rce ntage can be cum be rsom e . Lik e this que stion give n be low: Q )In a surve y re port, which was conducte d in a club of 300 m e n, it was found that 100 m e n use a products of brand A, 75 use the sam e products of brand B and 175 use the sam e products of brand C . W hat is the m ax im um possible num be r of m e n using all the thre e brands? He re x +2y = 50. W hat now??? I am not ge tting the hang of this thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R O HIT K - Thursday, 17 Se pte m be r 2009, 03:05 PM Hi ashu, Q )In a surve y re port, which was conducte d in a club of 300 m e n, it was found that 100 m e n use a products of brand A, 75 use the sam e products of brand B and 175 use the sam e products of brand C . W hat is the m ax im um possible num be r of m e n using all the thre e brands?

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is the answe r 200..? Ple ase che ck and re ve rt back .. R ohit
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Pallav Jain - Thursday, 17 Se pte m be r 2009, 05:08 PM Hi All, C an anyone ple ase e x plain m e how to approach this k ind of que stions? In a class of 30 stude nts, the re are 2 cate gorie s of stude nts: Liars: who always lie . Truth Te lle rs: who always spe ak the truth. The se stude nts m ak e thre e diffe re nt state m e nts as follows : State m e nt I :Se ve n of the m say The re are e x actly 7 Liars in this class State m e nt II :Eight of the m say The re are e x actly 8 Liars in this class State m e nt III :The re st of the m say The re are e x actly 15 Liars in this class. How m any Liars are the re in the class ? O ptions :a) 7 Thank s Pallav
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b) 8

c) 23

d) 22

e ) 15

Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by ashu jain - Thursday, 17 Se pte m be r 2009, 08:06 PM The O A is 25.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by ashu jain - Thursday, 17 Se pte m be r 2009, 08:11 PM I think answe r should be option e ) 15.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R O HIT K - Thursday, 17 Se pte m be r 2009, 11:33 PM Hi Ashu, Sorry m ate i m ade a big goof up .. Anyways com ing back to your que stion, Q )In a surve y re port, which was conducte d in a club of 300 m e n, it was found that 100 m e n use a products of brand A, 75 use the sam e products of brand B and 175 use the sam e products of brand C . W hat is the m ax im um possible num be r of m e n using all the thre e brands? Ans: Total Me n=300 A=100, B=75, C =175 A+B+C =350 Surplus=350-300=50 Now how do we allocate this surplus 50 to m ax im ize A^B^C ..? For e ach m e n allocate d to A^B^C , we ge t surplus of 2. The re fore for surplus of 50 we allocate 50/2=25 m e n to A^B^C . He nce 25 is the Answe r.. Ple ase che ck if I am going wrong anywhe re .. Hope this he lps..
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by ashu jain - Saturday, 19 Se pte m be r 2009, 02:06 PM

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thank s R ohit. you are right bro.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Sure sh S - Monday, 21 Se pte m be r 2009, 12:04 PM Hi sir .. its re ally he lpe d m e m uch sir
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R ajat Vashishta - Tue sday, 20 O ctobe r 2009, 11:02 AM In the proble m "According to a surve y, at le ast 70% of pe ople lik e apple s, at le ast 75% lik e bananas and at le ast 80% lik e che rrie s. W hat is the m inim um pe rce ntage of pe ople who lik e all thre e ? " why do we have to include 25% in the inte rse ction of 3 se ts? C ant this no be 12.5%?? In that case too, the inte rse ction of 3 se ts would consum e a surplus of 25%, while the inte rse ction of 2 would consum e 100%. So the whole surplus of 125% would be accom m odate d. Ple ase te ll m e whe re i am wrong?
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R ajat Vashishta - Tue sday, 20 O ctobe r 2009, 03:05 PM and vik as's e x plaination is not sufficie nt. why we are tak ing 25% from the twin se t inte rse ction is be cause putting 25% in 3 se t inte rse ction would give us a surplus of 150% so we ne e d to le sse n it from the 2 se t inte rse ction!
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Total Gadha - W e dne sday, 21 O ctobe r 2009, 09:47 PM

Rajat, 100% se jyada quantity kahan se laoge? Agar number 100 hi honge to 100 se jaayada kaise allocate karoge? Total Gadha
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R ajat Vashishta - Friday, 23 O ctobe r 2009, 01:47 AM

e x tre m e ly sorry for the silly doubt.. atle ast it got cle are d.. Sir, can we have som e que stions on m ax im a n m inim a..a sm all se t m aybe ? se e m s e ve rytim e i think i've got this conce pt right, a ne w que stion

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Jayant C houdhary - Friday, 30 O ctobe r 2009, 02:30 PM TG sir,, He re is a proble m on Ve nn diagram s which is solvable using e quations but whe n i apply ur conce pt i ge t stuck .. can u ple ase provide the e x plaination using ur m e thod of surpluse s!!!! Half of a class of 200 stude nts e nrolle d for e x actly one of the thre e activitie s swim m ing, sk ating and dancing. Total e nrollm e nts we re 80 in swim m ing, 75 in sk ating and 60 in dancing from the class. Num be r of stude nts who e nrolle d for sk ating and swim m ing only was 10 m ore than the num be r of stude nts who e nrolle d for sk ating and dancing only. Q 1 Find the m ax im um possible num be r of stude nts who e nrolle d for e x actly 2 activitie s? Q 2 Find the m inim um possible num be r of stude nts who e nrolle d for at le ast one of the thre e activitie s. Ple ase he lp m e out!!!
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Saravanar B - Sunday, 1 Nove m be r 2009, 02:35 AM

Hi Jayant, Total students enrolling for the classes = 200/2 = 100 Swimming+skating+dancing = 80 + 75 + 60 = 215
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Surplus = 215 - 100 = 115 This 115 has to be accomodated in the "exactly two" and "exactly three" region.. As far as ques 1 is concerned the max for exactly 2 activities : it can accomodate 100 students ( as the total students we've is only 100 ) remaining 15 (i.e., 115-100 ) has to be accomodated in the exactly three region.... this 15 is taken from exactly two region ( i.e., 100 15 = 85 ) and placed it in exactly three region.. so the ans is 85... pls let me know whether u hav understood or not ??? Cheers.........................

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by m ayuri joshi - Sunday, 1 Nove m be r 2009, 12:38 PM Hi Jayant this is re late d to your proble m . Also Saravanar, I think you have m isunde rstood the proble m . The total num be r of pe ople atte nding the classe s is NO T 100. The total num be r of pe ople atte nding exactly one of the classe s is 100. He nce what you are doing is wrong -- since you are assum ing a surplus ove r the value of 100 but the total value is NO T 100 in the first place . This is how I think u do this Assum e a, b, c to be the thre e se ts. Assum e m , n, p to be the num be r of pe ople atte nding e x actly one of the 3 classe s. Assum e x , y, z to be the inte rse ction of a and b, b and c, c and a. Le t l be the inte rse ction of all thre e . the n we have 2 e quations m + n + p + 2(x + y + z) + 3l = 80 + 75 + 60 = 215 but m + n + p = 100 so, 2(x + y + z) + 3l = 115 -----e qn 1. also m + n + p + x + y + z + l = total num be r of stude nts. 100 + x + y + z + l cannot be m ore that 157. ( from e qn 1) so x + y + z + l <= 57 ----- e qn 2. (and re quire d value of x + y + z is m ax whe n value of e qn 57.) solving 1 & 2 we ge t l = 1; x + y + z = 56 hence the maximum value of students attending exactly two classes is 56.

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by m ayuri joshi - Sunday, 1 Nove m be r 2009, 12:36 PM For the ne x t proble m , using both above e qns 2 (x + y + z) + 3l = 115 subs in this e qn y = x + 10 as pe r give n data. For obtaining m inim um value s, if we conside r x as 0 the n y = 10. W e can conside r z as 0 for m inim um value but the e qn doe snt have + inte ge r value s upon solving. He nce we conside r z = 1. so l = 31. now 100 + x + y + z + a = total num be r of stude nts. so total number of students (min) = 100 + 0 + 1 + 10 + 31 = 142.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by am it am it - Monday, 2 Nove m be r 2009, 01:31 AM First one 's answe r is 56 2nd que stion's answe r is 142 Give n is "who e nrolle d for sk ating and swim m ing only was 10 m ore than the num be r of stude nts who e nrolle d for sk ating and dancing only

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the num be r of stude nts who e nrolle d for sk ating and dancing Xonly= e =>no of stude nts e nrolle d for sk ating and swim m ing Xonly=e +10=f Surplus is 115. Suppose the re r only 100 stude nts now in ve n diagram and 100 r outside it. our job is to accom m odate surplus of 115 using at m ost re m aining 100 stude nts. Le t e =0 => f=10 , le t g be the no. of stude nts com m on in all 3 se ts. W he n from 100(stude nts) outside Ve nn diagram we tak e one in the are a com m on to two only, surplus re duce d by 2. e x plaination=> ne w total=101 surplus =215 => 215-101=114, plus one stude nt is in the are a com m on to two, it consum e s one m ore surplus. W he n one stude nt is tak e n from outside ve nn diagram into are a com m on to all 3, surplus is re duce d by 3. thus, le t x = no. of stude nts e nrolle d in e x actly 2 activitie s(e ach consum e s 2 surpluse s) y= no of stude nts e nrolle d in e x actly 3 activitie s.(e ach consum e s 3 surpluse s) ==> total surplus is 115. he nce , 2x +3y=115 solving the e quation, m ax value of x is 56. For m inim um possible num be r of stude nts who e nrolle d for at le ast one of the thre e activitie s , m ak e y m ax im um but m inim um value of x is 10 whe n e =0 which consum e s 20 surpluse s. re m aining surplus = 95. whe n le t d be the no. of stude nts e nrolle d for swim m ing and dancing only now,a=x -10, as we hv counte d 10 stude nts be fore 2(a)+3y=95 2a+3y=95 m ax im um value of y=31 ==>a=1 in above e quation. ==> x =e + (e +10)+d, e =0, f=10, d=1 ==> x =11. y=31 and initial 100 stude nts. so, 100+11+31= 142 he re f=e +10, condition satisfie d

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by am it am it - Monday, 2 Nove m be r 2009, 01:04 AM C an anyone he lp m e with binary logic proble m , proble m of truth te lle r, liar, alte rnator with an e x am ple ???
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Jayant C houdhary - Monday, 2 Nove m be r 2009, 07:08 AM @saravanar...m ayuri is right we cant tak e total value of stude nts as 100.. m ayuri and am it thank s for the lucid e x plaination!!!
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by rohit dwive di - Tue sday, 10 Nove m be r 2009, 10:41 PM Hi TG and fam ily, would ne e d ur he lp in solving following proble m according to above conce pt. In a surve y conducte d, it was found that, of the 150 pe ople who we re surve ye d, 90 re ad sports m agazine s, 80 re ad busine ss m agazine s and 70 re ad political m agazine s. Each of the surve ye d pe rsons re ads at le ast one of the se thre e m agazine s. W hat is the m ax im um possible num be r of pe ople who re ad sports m agazine s only? 90 a) 60 b) 70 c)80 d)
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by ak ash gupta - Thursday, 12 Nove m be r 2009, 01:38 PM ans is 70..
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by am it am it - Saturday, 14 Nove m be r 2009, 11:48 AM

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ans is 70 total surplus= 90 50 in busine ss and politics only will contribute 50 surplus. 20 com m on all the thre e m agazine s will contribute 40 surplus
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by sam m y badyal - Sunday, 15 Nove m be r 2009, 06:49 PM answe r is 70 k e e p 20 in inte rse ction of thre e and 50 in inte rse ction of busine ss and political se ts, this will absorb surplus of 90 with sports m agazine m ax
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Pallav Jain - W e dne sday, 18 Nove m be r 2009, 01:21 AM Q ue stion :-In a surve y it was found that 80% of vie we rs watche s DD, 60% watche s BBC and 75% watche s Star Plus. Wh a t a 60% b45% c15% d20% is th e m i ni m u m p er centa g e of th e v i ew er s w a tch i ng a ll th e th r ee ch a nnels ?

e 10%
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Ashwin A - W e dne sday, 18 Nove m be r 2009, 10:56 AM 15pe rce nt
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Pallav Jain - W e dne sday, 18 Nove m be r 2009, 12:53 PM he y ashwin can u plz e x plain it in de tail.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by am ar goswam i - Thursday, 19 Nove m be r 2009, 02:16 AM hi pallav, Surlus = 80% + 75% + 60% -100% = 115% to find out m inim um value for all thre e channe ls we ne e d to accom m odate m ax im um value of surplus in two channe ls. Max value it can tak e is 100% but still we are le ft with 15% he nce this ne e ds to be put in all thre e channe ls.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Pallav Jain - Thursday, 19 Nove m be r 2009, 03:55 AM

Hey Amar, can you please explain it ? A REAL test contains 3 sections: QA, VA and DI. A student taking the test has to attempt at least one section. When the data of test takers was assimilated, it showed that 74% of students attempted QA, 91% attempted VA and 77% attempted DI section. If the percentage of students who attempted all the three sections is found to be 71%, then find the possible percentage of students who attempted only two sections. 58 % 21 % 0 37 % Can not be Determined Cheers !!! Pallav
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by am ar goswam i - Thursday, 19 Nove m be r 2009, 11:28 AM Hi Pallav, Total surplus = 142 % suppose only two se ctions =x % and only thre e = y % = 71 % give n he nce x + 2y = 142% x + 142 =142 x= 0
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Pallav Jain - Thursday, 19 Nove m be r 2009, 02:18 PM thanx Am ar but I cud'nt ge t this ste p...... why u have tak e n 2y he nce x + 2y = 142%
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by am ar goswam i - Thursday, 19 Nove m be r 2009, 07:27 PM if u draw ve nn diagram the n y be longs to the are a which is be ing share d by 3 circle s, say a, b and c. He nce anything you put in this are a will be counte d 3 tim e s in the the sum of a+b+c and 2 tim e s in the surplus. coz surplus = a+b+c -100%
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by abhishe k rai - Saturday, 8 May 2010, 06:19 PM Gre at one sir, but m aybe the C BT club m e m be rs can have som e m ore of this stuff and a full fle dge d chapte r on se t the ory? W aiting for the R e ply..
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by de e pik a guliani - Friday, 6 August 2010, 09:57 PM Am azing Article ..I always had a proble m solving the se que stions..but not anym ore Thank you inde e d.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by vive k bajaj - Saturday, 21 August 2010, 12:26 PM Hi TG, I m ight be wrong, but can u che ck upon:

In a college, where every student follows at least one of the three activities- drama, sports, or arts- 65% follow drama, 86% follow sports, and 57% follow arts. What can be the MAXIMUM % OF STUDENTS WHO FOLLOW ALL 3 AC TIVITIES?
It se e m s to m e (m aybe wrong), the m ax im um % of stude nts who follow all 3 activitie s can be 57% (by com m on se nse ; since the se sam e 57% stude nts who follow arts can follow sports as we ll as dram a) as oppose d to the 54% e x plaine d by you. If I am wrong, ple ase can u e x plain the 54% conce pt m ore e laborate ly. Thank you.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by ritik a bhalla - Monday, 23 August 2010, 06:16 PM de ar TG sir.. i have a doubt that is bothe ring m e .. i just am not able to unde rstand how x +y=100% i noe u have re plie d to this in e arlie r posts but its not cle ar k indly he lp sir..waiting for your re ply.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Nishit Vora - Tue sday, 21 Se pte m be r 2010, 05:06 PM Hi TG, I just love d your conce pt But the following proble m from late st Tim e Mock is bothe ring m e . could you ple ase he lp m e out A surve y about pre fe re d TV channe ls am ongst 10,000 pe ople 93%lik e d sony 89% Ze e 81% Star plus 75% Ze e cine m a 78% Mtv 100 did not lik e any channe ls Find Minim um Num be r of pe ople who lik e d all 5. So according to your conce pt adding 93 , 89 , 81 , 75, 78 give s 416% So now e x ce ss is 316% So what to do afte r this?
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R e be ck C arvalho - Saturday, 25 Se pte m be r 2010, 07:16 PM Supe rb Article TG,hats off!!! C an u ple ase also include about 4x 4 Ve nn Diagram s .The n it would be a com ple te article
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by ank ur k e jriwal - Tue sday, 12 O ctobe r 2010, 03:25 PM

He y i k now thogh the post is ve ry old , but if anyone is watching How the m inim um value of P is 10 % .

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If surplus is 210 the n a + 2b + 3c = 210 , c be ing inte rse ction of 4 dise ase s . Pls he lp ......
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by albus dum be ldore - Saturday, 9 July 2011, 01:23 AM hii... i still cudn't ge t the m ax im a /m inim a conce pt anybody can cle ar it for m e .... the adjusting the surplus part and how do we ge t the e quation x + 2y =0 thank s
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Dang Dong - Monday, 11 July 2011, 06:51 PM In this case we assign the variable s to e ve ry are a of the Ve nn diagram and form the conditions k e e ping two things in m ind: try to e x pre ss the are as in the Ve nn diagram through le ast num be r of variable s. all the num be rs will be ze ro or positive . No num be r can be ne gative . O ut of 210 inte rvie ws of IIM- Ahm e dabad, 105 C AT crack e rs we re offe re d te a by the inte rvie w pane l, 50 we re offe re d biscuits, and 56 we re offe re d toffe e s. 32 C AT crack e rs we re offe re d te a and biscuits, 30 we re offe re d biscuits and toffe e s, and 45 we re offe re d toffe e s and te a. W hat is the m ax im um and m inim um num be r of C AT crack e rs who we re offe re d all thre e snack s? m ax im um and m inim um num be r of C AT crack e rs who we re offe re d at le ast one snack ? Answe r: Le ts m ak e the Ve nn diagram for this que stion. Since we want to assum e le ast num be r of variable s, we can se e that assum ing a variable for the num be r of stude nts who we re offe re d all thre e snack s will he lp us e x pre ss all the othe r are as. Le t the num be r of stude nts who we re offe re d all thre e snack s = x .

In the above diagram , we have e x pre sse d all the are as in te rm s of x . To de cide m ax im um value of x , we note that 32 - x , 45 - x and 30 - x will be ze ro or positive . The re fore , the m ax im um value of x will be 30. (30 is the lowe st am ong 30, 32 and 45). To de cide m inim um value of x , we note than x - 19 and x 12 will be ze ro or positive . The re fore , x cannot be le ss than 19 (19 is the highe r num be r be twe e n 19 and 12). The re fore , m ax im um and m inim um num be r of C AT crack e rs who we re offe re d all thre e snack s = 30 and 19.

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The num be r of C AT crack e rs who we re offe re d at le ast one snack = Total num be r of C AT crack e rs in the Ve nn diagram = x + 28 + 32 - x + x + 45 - x + x - 19 + 30 - x + x - 12 = 104 + x . As the m ax im um and m inim um value s of x are 30 and 19, re spe ctive ly, the m ax im um and m inim um value of 104 + x will be 134 and 123, re spe ctive ly. Max im um and m inim um num be r of C AT crack e rs who we re offe re d at le ast one snack = 134 and 123. ANY W AY TO SO LVE FO R THE VALUE O F X?
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by k m - Sunday, 17 July 2011, 12:20 AM can sum 1 pll he lp m e out and e x plain this proble m to m e ?? Q .A surve y was conducte d am ong 500 ppl e ach of whom lik e s at le ast one of apple , orange , banana.The num be r of ppl who lik e apple is 240, those who lik e orange are 250 and those who lik e banana are 290. Q 1. If 60 ppl lik e only apple and banana, the n what is the m ax im um possible num be r of ppl who lik e only orange ? 1)120 2) 130 3)140(ans)

Q 2. If 120 ppl lik e only apple , the n what is the m ax im um possible num be r of ppl who lik e only orange and banana? 1)170 2)160(ans) 3)180

Q 3. W hat is the m ax im um possible num be r of ppl who lik e all the 3 fruits? 1)110 2)120 3)150 4)130 5)140(ans)
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R ajase k aran R ajaram - Sunday, 24 July 2011, 12:18 AM

A+B+C +D+E+F+G = 500 A+B+C +2(D+E+F)+3G=780 D+E+F+2G=280 Apple s =A+D+G+E=240 Banana=C +E+F+G=250 O range =B+D+F+G=290 1) Give n e =60, From e quation D+E+F+2G=280, D+F+2G=220 In orde r to m ax im ize B in e quation B+D+F+G=290 put D and F = 60 and he nce B will be 140 3) In e quation D+E+F+2G=280 put D, E, F = 0 to m ax im ize G which will be 140

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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by soum yarup bane rje e - Friday, 19 August 2011, 06:09 PM I have a que stion : When say we have 83 persons liking soccer , 88 persons liking cricket and 51 persons liking chess. Total number of people surveyed is 100. Here when we calculate the surplus it is : (83+88+51)-100 = 122 Now , the maximum number of persons who can like all the 3 games can be = 122/2 = 61 , but that is not possible bcoz only 51 likes chess !! Kindly clarify this for m e
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by gaggi d - Monday, 12 Se pte m be r 2011, 08:17 PM Hi TG, C An you e x plain why in the que stion whe re u have calculate d the m ax im um no of pe ople doing all thre e activitie s is 54 % inste ad of 57% as it is visible dire ctly.. Be cause le t the the 57% to be part of othe r pe rce ntage s as we ll.. C orre ct m e if i am wrong
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R ajase k aran R ajaram - Monday, 12 Se pte m be r 2011, 10:31 PM

Nishit Vora, Is the answer 1500 for this question. 16%(10,000)-100


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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Gaurav Tom ar - Sunday, 9 O ctobe r 2011, 08:23 PM one thing got wrong in the (2.), that in the be low part the re is the value is x -29, inste ad of the x -19. Thank ing you sir for the above article .
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by n k - Sunday, 30 O ctobe r 2011, 12:33 PM Hi Eve ryone , C an you ple ase he lp m e in solving Le t A de note the se t of inte ge rs be twe e n 1 and 1000 which are divisible by 12. Le t B de note the se t of inte ge rs be twe e n 1 and 1000 which are divisible by 18. How m any e le m e nts are in the se t AB? (A) 108 (B) 109 (C ) 110 (D) 111
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by TG Te am - Monday, 31 O ctobe r 2011, 12:28 PM

Hi n k Number of elements in set A = n(A) = [1000/12] = 83 and number of elements in B = n(B) = [1000/18] = 55 Number of elements common in both A and B = n(AB) = [1000/LCM(12,18)] = [1000/36] = 27. So n(AUB) = n(A) + n(B) - n(AB) = 83 + 55 - 27 = 111. Kamal Lohia
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Sre e dipto Bhattacharyya - Friday, 3 Fe bruary 2012, 12:38 AM Hi cud anyone he lp m e with this proble m ple ase . C annot unde rstand how to approach. plz he lp. Q . In a group of 100 stude nts, e ach stude nt has to opt for one or m ore of the 3 subje cts am ong Physics, C he m and Maths. The num be r of stude nts opting for m aths is m ore than that of physics which in turn is m ore than that of che m , which in turn, is m ore than the no of stude nts opting for e x actly 2 of the 3 subje cts, which in turn, is m ore than the no of stude nts opting for all the 3 subje cts. It is also said that at le ast one stude nt opte d for all the 3 subje cts. 1. Max no of stude nts opting for che m :? a)72 b)79 c)80 d)81 e )None of the se 2. Min no of stude nts opting for m aths:? a)38 b)37 c)36 d)35 e )34 3. If e x actly half the stude nts opte d for m aths, what is the m ax no of stude nts who opte d for all the thre e subje cts? a)15 b)16 c)17 d)18 e )19

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4. Max no of stude nts who opte d for only physics:? a)33 b)50 c)49 d)48 e )52 5. Max no of stude nts who opte d for physics and che m but not m aths:? a)47 b)48 c)49 d)50 e )51
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by ne ha aggarwal - Thursday, 22 March 2012, 08:05 AM Hi TG sir.. Gre at Article .. I am just unable to unde rstand that how are you adjusting the surplus to inte rse ction of two circle s... For m inim um case : Lik e if we have a surplus of 108% how do we conclude that a surplus of 100% is adjuste d to inte rse ction of two circle s...
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by TG Te am - Thursday, 22 March 2012, 01:04 PM

Hi Neha 100% means all persons. So no set can have more than 100% i.e. all of persons. So if we want that there should be least number of persons who fall in all three category, we should allot maximum number to intersection of two which is 100%. See, if it helps. Kamal Lohia
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by ne ha aggarwal - Saturday, 24 March 2012, 10:01 PM Hm m m m m m . I got it... Thank s Sir
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Pre rna Golani - Monday, 14 May 2012, 11:28 PM Hi TG In a colle ge , whe re e ve ry stude nt follows at le ast one of the thre e activitie s- dram a, sports, or arts- 65% follow dram a, 86% follow sports, and 57% follow arts. W hat can be the m ax im um and m inim um pe rce ntage of stude nts who follow all thre e activitie s e x actly two activitie s W e can also solve it m athe m atically x + 2y = 108%, whe re x + y 100%. The m ax im um value of x will give m inim um value of y, whe re as m inim um value of x will give m ax im um value of y. I am unable to unde rstand how x +2y =108%.Ple ase e x plain this part.....plz
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Pre rna Golani - Monday, 14 May 2012, 11:30 PM The m ax im um surplus it can accom m odate is 2 100% = 200%. How it is calculate d....ple ase e x plain
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by TG Te am - Tue sday, 15 May 2012, 06:51 PM

Hi Prerna If you understand what are x and y then it's easy to get that x + 2y is the surplus i.e. what is extra than 100%. I'd suggest you to re-read the article again. Kamal Lohia
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Pre rna Golani - Sunday, 20 May 2012, 07:12 PM

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I am unable to unde rstand x +2y
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by bam le sh k um ar - W e dne sday, 23 May 2012, 12:58 PM plz te ll m e whe the r vide os le sson be provide d to the cbt m e m be r...will I be able to download vide os le ssons on e ach topic by paying 1000 rs
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by bam le sh k um ar - W e dne sday, 23 May 2012, 12:59 PM plz te ll m e whe the r vide os le sson be provide d to the cbt m e m be r...will I be able to download vide os le ssons on e ach topic by paying 1000 rs
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by k shitij sharm a - Saturday, 22 Se pte m be r 2012, 05:06 PM TG Sir, ur he lp re quire d in this que stion.. The re is a group of 200 stude nts, whe re e ach stude nt studie s one or m ore of the thre e subje cts am ong X, Y and Z . The no. of stude nts studying Z is m ore than no. stude nts studying X, which in turn, is m ore than the num be r of stude nts who study Y, which, in turn, is m ore than the no. of stude nts who study e x actly 2 subje cts, which in turn is m ore than the no. of stude nts who study all the subje cts. It is k nown that atle ast 1 stude nt studie s all the subje cts. Q .1) Q .2) Q .3) Q .4) Max no of stude nts who study Y ? (148 ; 149 ; 150 ; 147 ; None) Min no. of stude nts who study Y ? (67 ; 68 ; 69 ; 70 ; None) Max no of stude nts who study only X ? (100 ; 99 ; 98 ; 97 ; none) If it's k nown that e x actly half the stude nts study Z, what is the m ax no. of stude nts who study all the thre e ??( 30 ; 31 ; 32 ; 33 ; none )
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by Ank ur Jain - Thursday, 4 O ctobe r 2012, 07:01 PM I am too confuse d on this. The que stion says the re are 4 cars with radio and powe r windows (off course without AC ). So , what are we subtracting 3 (all 3 fe ature s) from this ? Doe sn't se e m to m e corre ct !
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by De vishre e Nath - Monday, 15 O ctobe r 2012, 01:18 PM

sum .docx he llo TG , can u plz he lp m e solve d proble m give n in the attachm e nt????
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by R upe rt Martin - Tue sday, 16 O ctobe r 2012, 02:50 PM Sorry m y frie nd i have trie d to solve the proble m but i dam n confuse with sum if you ge t any solution the n fwd to m e .Thank s.
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Re: Venn Diagrams- Basics, Problems, Maxima and Minima by arsh arora - Saturday, 20 O ctobe r 2012, 03:32 PM Hi TG, AW ESO ME PIEC E O F W O R K TG SIR !!!...UR SUR PLUS conce pt sim ply rocck sssss!!!!...
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