IT paBOCAaBlbe 11 HOBI1 CBeTCKI1 Tlopeaax MapKO C MapKOBHh 1

Flpeaajyhn Cp6CKOj CAOBeCHOJ JaBHocrH KlDHfe HHTeAeKryaAHOf fopocraca ,lI,p Mapxa C MapKOBHha, MH yje,ll,HO HMaMO nocefiay xacr H O,ll,roBOPHOCT ,lI,a HaIIIeM OraqaCTBY npeacramoao HecyMIDHBO HajYMHMje, Haj6pHTKMje H HajnpoHH~HBMje nepo Cp6CKe rroanrrrsxe eMHrpaQHje.

Y ,lI,pyroj nOllOBHHH OBOf KpBaBOf croaeha HHKO KaO f. MapKOBHh He CBe,lI,OqH ,lI,a nOllHTHKa HMje H He CMe za 6Y,ll,e ,,6pllOIY KojeM ce npaCU;H BaJbajy" seh "CTpaIIIHa H CBeTa CAY)l(6a HapO,ll,y H ,lI,p)l(aBH"! HeYHHIIITHB H TpajaH naoz, TOf cseaosen,a npeacraazsajy H Mapxoanhese KlDHfe xoje cy, OB,lI,e H caaa, HcrHHCKH MeAeM na nspanaaaenosr ,lI,p)l(aBOTBOpHOM TKHBy pacneror Cp6cTBa.

Ynpaso saro, HHMaAO caysapro, HaIIIa 6H611HoTeKa HOCH Ha3HB IIOAMTMKA M OEP A3 noacehajyhn na je,ll,HHY cMHCAeHY MOIyhHOcr ocranxa H oncranxa Cp6CKOf HapO,ll,a na EoroqOBeqaHCKOM IIYTY MCTHHe H )l(HBOTa.

He60jIIIa M. KpCTHh

HOBI1 EBPOIICKI1 IIOpeAaK 11 Ilpaaocaaazse

XMAAH,4AP AU;: EHllO je npeaanheao ,lI,a, nOqeTKOM HOBeM6pa 1993, oapacrrre rrpeaanarr,e npea cpncKHM CBeIIITeHHqKHM catiopora y XHMellcTHpy (Hesrasxa), na TeMY "HoBH enponcxa nopeaax H Flpaeocaaazse", allH je Taj rrpojexr y nOCAe,ll,IDeM TpeHJTKY 6HO O,ll,6aqeH. KaM ce HMje MOfllO ,lI,pJl<!lMje, nOKJIIIajMo ,lI,a 6ap y je,ll,HOM npHBaTHoM pa3roBopy pacnpaBHMo 0 TOM rrpezeaery. BH CTe, CKOPO noaa nexa, 6y,ll,Ho npaTHllH sarraamr )l(HBOT H IIITaMny, a HcroBpeMeHO HHKa,ll,a HHCTe npeceKllH KopeHe KOjH cy Bac Be3HBallH aa PO,ll,HO Tlle. M3 THX pa3110ra, HCnyIDaBaTe 6HTHe YCAOBe aa 06jeKTHBHO nOCMaTpaIDe ,lI,aHaIIIIDHX 36HBaIDa.

M.CM.: 3axBaJbyjeM BaM na yxaaaaoj npHllHU;H. Y CAo60,ll,Hoj ,lI,HCKYcHjH cyrnTHHa npotiaesra xecro ,lI,Olla3H jacanje ,lI,O napaxcaja. CaMO, seh na noqeTKY, )l(eAeo 6HX M npoIIIHpHMO ropIDy resay, Esporra HHje npocTopHO H BpeMeHcKH H3,lI,B0jeHa; OHa je nOllHT~KH pKlbe6lbeHa y crBapHocr canpesrenor CBeTa. Ilpesra TOMe, 6HllO 6H ncnpaanaje pehn "HoBH CBeTCKH nope,ll,aK H Ilpaaocaaaae",

X11AAHAAP AU;: IIITa je HOBO y TOM CBeTCKOM noperxy?

M.CM.: ABe rrojase cy H3 TeMelba Y3,l1,pMaAe raj nOpe,ll,aK: nopesrehaj CBeTCKe paBHOTe)l(e H paaspaharee ,lI,eMOKpaTMje. Pycnja HHje 6Hlla cnpesma ,lI,a nOCAe naaa

1 Y AalbeM TeKcry M.C.M.

6epAJ1HCKOr 3J1,l1,a J1 npOnaCTJ1 KOM)'HJ13Ma 3aMeHJ1 COBjeTCKJ1 CaBe3. Hcnoa fberoBJ1X pymeBJ1Ha, na TOM reOnOAJ1TJ1tIKOM npOCTOpy ajarnr OrpOMHa npa3HJ1Ha. M ,lI,OKAe roa He 6Y,lI,e BaCKpCAa pYCKa QapeBJ1Ha, y CBeTy he BAa,tJ,aTJ1 aMepJ1l!KO casroaaamhe J1 xaoc. I1ocpe,ll,CTBOM yCA)7)KHJ1X MeD)'HapO,ll,HJ1X opranaaamqa, rrpeaceznmx Cje,tJ,J1H>eHJ1X Ap>KaBa ce seh nOHaIIIa KaO ,lI,a je rocno,ll,ap CBeTa, rope Hero nexaaa rypCKJ1 CYATaH. AAJ1, npe cnera, OH He Moxe CTBapHO BAa,ll,aTJ1 CBeTOM npe HO IIITO PyCJ1ja, KaO aTOMCKa CJ1Aa, He 6Y,ll,e nOTTI)'HO YHI1IIITeHa. A, IIITO je najrope, OH HJ1Ka,tJ,a nehe HJ1 nOCTaTJ1 rocnO,ll,ap CBeTa Hero Moxe caxro 6J1TJ1 06J1l!Ha AYTKa y PYKaMa OHJ1X KOjJ1 Hac rypajy y CBeTCKY xaracrpcxpy. Crora je sacaaa 3ana,tJ,HJ1M ,lI,pXaBHJ1QJ1Ma HajBaxHl1je M PYCKY npoaaanjy npOIIIJ1pe J1 HapO,ll,e na TOM ceKTOpy J1AJ1 ,lI,OBeAY ,lI,O ysajasmor J1CTpe6lbefba J1AJ1 J1X CaMJ1 )'HJ1IIITe. [yrocaasnja je caxro npBa erarra y TOM npoQecy.

XMJ.LAHAAP AU;: BJ1 CTe TY 3ana,tJ,Hy crparernjy seh ,lI,eAJ1MJ1l!HO CKJ1QJ1PaAJ1 Y "I1oAa sexa cpncxe rOAfOTe " ("Aa3apJ1Qa", 6p. 136) J1 Y aneay ,,3a casea npaBOCAaBHJ1X aapoaa",

M.C.M.: ORo IIITO Me je npJ1AJ1KOM Te aHaAJ13e nperrepaanao, 6J10 je MOPaAHJ1 pacna,ll, ,lI,eMOKpaTJ1je. r Ae,ll,ajTe IIITa ce na HaIIIe OtIJ1 36J1Ba. I1POTJ1BHO MeD)'HapO,ll,HOM jaBHoM npaBY, TJ1TOBe penyfianxe ce 6e3 nperoBopa npnsnajy xao cyBepeHe ,lI,pXaBe. Y J1Me npaBa HapO,ll,a na caMOOnpe,ll,elbefbe, npasnaje ce ,lI,pXaBHa cyBepeHoCT EocaHQJ1Ma KOjJ1 HJ1CY HapO,ll" a 6ocaHCKJ1M Cp6J1Ma J1 XpBaTJ1Ma ce ycxpahyje npaBo aa ce npJ1CajeAJ1He CBojJ1M penyfiaaxasra. Crsapa ce BeAJ1Ka Xpsarcxa KOjOj ce ,lI,aje npaBo M 3ap06J1 800 000 Cp6a, a KpJ1BJ1Qa aa CYK06 ce csazsyje na cpncKJ1 J1,l1,eaA "BeAJ1Ke Cp6I1je". CTaHOBHJ1IIITBY Capajesa ce He ,lI,onymTa ,lI,a HanyCTJ1 rpa,ll" He 6J1 AJ1 ce CBaKO,ll,HeBHO roBOPJ1AO 0 fberoBJ1M rrarrsasra, a Cp6J1Ma rrpernao )'HJ1IIITefbeM, ,lI,OK ce J1CTOBpeMeHo Cp611ja ryUIJ1 CBe CBJ1penl1jJ1M eM6aproM. Ha 3ana,tJ,y ce Mace ,lI,pecJ1pajy npOTJ1B Cp6a xao XJ1BOTJ1fbe y QJ1PKYCY. AMepJ1l!Ka aremtnja Paaep <PJ1H r A06aA I1a6AJ1K A<i>epc AaHCJ1pa npOTJ1B Cp6a rrponaranaae xaxman,e 0 KOHQAoropJ1Ma, 0 eTHJ1l!KOM tIJ1IIIhefbY J1 0 CJ1AOBaIDY 60CaHCKJ1X xeHa/ ,lI,OK ce CJ1CTeMaTCKJ1 J1fHOPJ1rny xaA6e J1 MeMOpaHAYMJ1 Cprrcxe U;pKBe 0 rerronnay KOjJ1 ce BPIIIJ1 Ha,tJ, Cp6J1Ma.3 HJ1Ka,tJ,a y J1CTOpl1jJ1 Hl1je,ll,aH HapO,ll, Hl1je 6J10 rope OKAeBeTaH, nOHJ1XeH J1 otiecsanrhen O,ll, Cp6a. 3a CBe TO BpeMe, xao T060x "CA060,ll,aH rpaDaHJ1H je,tJ,He ,lI,eMOKpaTCKe 3eMlhe", ja HJ1CaM y <PpaHQYCKoj J1MaO MoryhHOCTJ1 za ,lI,ODeM ,lI,O petIJ1 HJ1 npeKo IIITaMne HJ1 na TeAeBJ1311jJ1, ,lI,OK cy ce na cQeHJ1 nojaBlbJ1BaAJ1 pa3HJ1 nCeB,lI,OJ1CTOpJ1l!apJ1 J1 CBaKojaKJ1 "eKCnepTJ1" KOjJ1 cy 06aBe3Ho TepeTJ1AJ1 Cp611jy J1 Cp6e.

XMAA HAAP Au;: 3ap je TO ,lI,eMOKpaTJ1ja KOjOM xohe ,lI,a aaxrerre KOM)'HJ13aM?

2 )l(aK MepAMHO, "HMje Ao6po pehn CBe MCTMHe 0 JyroCAaBMjM" - aa <ppaHI.J;ycKoM - I1apM3, A1l6eH MMIIIell, 1993. (Jacques Merlino, "Les verites yougoslaves ne sont pas toutes bonnes a dire", Paris, Albin Michel).

3 ,,3110QMH 6e3 Ka3He. [eHoU;MA HaA Cp6MMa. I1pMl103M M AOfa1)ajM y Xpsarcxoj 1990/1991", Beorpaa, Aeu;eM6ap 1991. (Cpncxn M enraecxn TeKcT). "CprrcKa I1paBoCAaBHa U;pKBa. Hiena rrpoIIIllocr M caaannsocr", Beorpaa, 1992. (Cpncxa M enraecsn TeKcT). "MeMOpaHAYM Cprrcxe I1paBoCAaBHe U;pKBe", Beorpaa, I1011MTMKa'',30.Y1992.

M.CM.: He 3HaM, 3aMCTa, oTKYAa MM TOAMKa APCKOCT Aa ApynrMa Aajy AeKU;Mjy 0 AeMoKpaTMjM. ITo MOMe CKPOMHOM MMIIIlhefbY, rrocrynaK Yje,ll,J1fbeHIDC Haunja M rrpsencraerro Enporrcxe 3aje,ll,HMu;e, OTKPMO HaM je tIMfbeHMr_zy Aa 3arra,ll,HM ApxaBHMU;M caMM He Bepyjy y cnoje AeMOKpaTcKe M,lI,eje. ITOA OKpMAleM AeMOKpaTCKJ1X rrpMHU;Mrra, OHM na CBaKOM KopaKY 6eCTM,lI,HO rase Te rrpmmnrre. 11, y TOM CMMCAY, ropM cy 0,21, XMTAepa M Craa.nna. [ep aKO cy XMTAep M CTalbMH MIIIAM ,21,0 xpaia y cnposohersy CBojIDC qyAOBMIIIHIDC M MMAMOHCKMX 3AOtIMHa, TO je 6MAO crora IIITO cy caeno BepOBaAM y CBOjy HaKa3HY M,lI,eOAornjy. A YKOAMKO AeMOKpaTcKM rrOAMTMtIapM 6ecrrpeKM,ll,Ho M ca HajBehMM U;MHM3MOM rrocryrrajy cyrrPOTHO AeMoKpaTcKoj M,lI,eoAOrnjM, 3HatIM za cy OHM 06MtIHM AMu;eMepM KojM He nepyjy y fbeHY MCTMHMTOCT.

X11AAHAAPAIJ;: BOAeo 6M Aa HMCTe y rrpaBy. AAM aKO je BaIIIa KpMTMKa MCTMHMTa y O,ll,Hocy na aanaaae rroarrnrsape, KaKO ce Moxe 06jaCHMTM Aa HMje,ll,aH rrpaBHMK na 3arraAY He YCTaHe y oA6paHY AeMOKpaTcKMx naxeaa M He ocy AM OHe KOjM cy ce 0 fbMX orpeIIIMTM?

Peqjy, KaKO Aa Cp6Mja aa ce6e na 3arra,ll,y He aahe HMjeAHor yraezaor M pesrrror aABOKaTa?

M.CM.: 11 MeHe je OAaBHO MyqMAO TO rnrraae. 3ap cy rr03HaTM rrpaBHMU;M TOAMKO CTpaXOBaAM aa csojy xapnjepy, za ce Meijy fbMMa HMje HMKO HaIIIao aa 6paHM AeMoKpaTMjy? He aa 6paHM Cp6e, Hero 6aIII AeMOKpaTMjy M AeMOKpaTcKa naseaa, Cpehoxr, M3Y3eTaKa je nnax 6MAO, casro IIITO fbMXOBe nsjaae HMCY 6MAe rrporrarMpaHe. TaKO caM M ja TeK HaKHa,lI,HO casnao Aa je, jyna 1993, npcxpecop MOpMC AMBepxe,4 jeaan 0,21, najsehnx <ppaHr_zycKMx rrpaBHMKa - MCTMHa y rreH3MjM - 0CY,ll,MO 3BaHMtIHY 3arrMHY rrOAJ1TI1KY npesra Cp6MMa M, C rrpaBHor rAe,ll,MIIITa, rroTBpAMO cprrcKM CTaB: "ITOAMTMtIKM, 6MAa je xarnrraana rpemxa y6p3aBaTM pacrra,ll, 6AOKa JyxHMX Caoserra KOjM cy seh BMIIIe 0,21, jezmor croaeha rroKYIIIaBaAM Aa ce yje,ll,MHe. ITpaBHMtIKM, MeijYHapO,ll,Ho rrpaBo je 6MAO y BeAMKoj MepM rrpe3peHo, Ma,lI,a je TO M3BpIIIeHO noa KaYU;MjOM YCTaBHMX CYAOBa cI>paHr_zyCKe, 11TaAMje M Hesraxxe ... Flrrrarse ce MorAO peIIIMTM KOMrrpOMMCOM, Aa Esponcxa 3aje,ll,HMu;a HMje 6ecrrpaBHO rrpOIIIMpMAa na YHYTpaIIIfbe rparnme je,ll,He <pe,lI,epaAHe 3eMlbe rrpMHU;Mrr HerrpMKOCHOBeHOCTM MHTepHaU;MOHaAHMX rpanaua",

XMAAHAAP Au;: KOAMKO ce cehasr, BM CTe y CBOjMM rrOMeHYTMM HarrMCMMa y BMIIIe MaXOBa rrOABAatIMAM Aa cy caM03BaHM sanaana CTpyqfbaU;M aa 6aAKaHCKa rnrraisa BehMHOM He3HaAMU;e. 3ap He MMCAMTe Aa 6M ce TMMe A06pMM AeAOM MorAe 06jaCHMTM M Tpemxe sartaamrx rrOAMTMtIapa KOjM cy AOHOCMAM CYA60HocHe OMYKe 0 6aAKaHCKMM HapOAMMa He snajyhn HM fbMXOBY MCTOPl1jy rra, rronexaz, HM fbIDCOB noaoacaj na 3eMlbMHoj KyrAM?

M.CM.: TMM rrOBOAOM, MOAMM Bac Aa caCAYIIIaTe osaj TeKCT 0 EocaHU;MMa y TMTOBOj JyroCAaBMjM: "Beh 0,21, rrpe AeceT roaana, aTeMCTMtIKa ApxaBa je M3MMCAMAa je,ll,IlY HapO,ll,HOCT ocaareajyha ce na jeAHY TMrrMtIHO PeAMfJ103HY OC06eHOCT. lby,ll,M Xepu;er-EOCHe KOjM TO xeAe, MorAM cy Aa ce M3jaCHe sa "MYCAMMaHCKJ HapO,ll,HOCT". IJ;MA>

4 )KaK MeplH1HO, IIOMeH)'TO AeAO, crp. 182-183.

re onnnje 6HO je Aa, C jeane CTpaHe, CMaIDH r1106aAHH 6poj Xpsara (KaT011HKa) H11H Cp6a (IIpaBoCAaBHHx)... a C Apyre, Aa rr011aCKa peAHrH03HHM oceharsroaa jeanor Ae11a CTaHOBHHIIITBa; MCAaM je OCeTHO HajrrOCAYIIIHMja OA rprqy BepOHcrrOBeCTH ... XTeAO ce TO H11H He, HCAaMCKa 3ajeAHHQa, H rroPeA CBOjHX ayroXToHHX eaesrenara, MJlIHO HaAa3H cnoje Mecro y jeAHoj xpanrhancxoj Esporra xoja HMa nerrpamrsne a11H raxohe H A06pe paaaore Aa je ce npnfiojaaa. ORa ca nehov CrrOHTaHoIIIhy carsa - H KO 6H joj TO Morao rrpeoamrru? - 0 06HOBH jeanor CBeTCKor Ka11H<paTa." Ko je TO narmcao? Ja? He. "CprrcKa nponaranaa", KaKO 6H AaHac peKllH sartaamr 11HcrOBH? JOIII MaIDe.

HaBeAeHH rexcr je H3 rrepa rrosnaror rrapHcKor HOBHHapa AHpH <pecKe, 06jaBlheH y rrapHcKoM 11Hcry "Le Mond", OA 19. <pe6pyapa 1980. - 3HatIH, AaAeKO rrpe caBpeMeHHx 36HBaIDa - noa HaCAOBOM "PeAHrMje y JyroCAaBMjH. - KM jeana arencnerxa Ap)l(aBa H3MHIIIlha Myc11HMaHcKY napoaaocr". AaKlle, aKO saaeaene sanaane Mace HeMajy rrojMa o OHOMe IIITO ce CTBapHO 36HBa H CAeAe xao CTMO OBaQa 11a)l(H CBOjHX rrpeABOAHHKa, IDHXOBH "HepBHH QeHTPH" - Ap)l(aBHH PYKOBOAHOQH H 06aBeIIITajHH cepBHCH -OAaBHO Bp110 A06po rrosnajy HaIIIY crrryamrjy.

X11AAHAAP AU;: Ocraje HaM Aa BHAHMO Aa 11H H nopea 'rora Tlpaaocaaaa.e HMa HeKHX H3r11eAa y OAHOCY na HOBH CBeTCKH nopeaax. Ho CYAehH rro OHOMe IIITO ere AO CaM peKllH, Cp6Mja ce, y CBaKOM CAyqajy, HaAa3H rrpeA 3a6paBlheHHM BpaTHMa: aa IDy y TOM rropeTKy HeMa Mecra. Haje caCBHM jacao 3aIIITO. 3ap H BH sepyjere Aa rrpOTHB Cp6a rrocrojn nexa CBeTCKa sasepa? 360r xera? KaKO ce TO yorrIIITe MO)l(e 3aMHCAHTH?

M.C.M.: AKO 3aMHCAHMO Aa cy ce CBH HapoAH y csery yjeAHHH11H C QHlheM Aa YHHIIITe Cp6e, TO je 6eCMHCAHQa. AllH aKO JaMHCAHMO Cp6Hjy KaO rrpBH rrHOH ocyhen Aa 6YAe )l(PTBOBaH y CBeTCKOj IIIaxOBCKOj rraprrqa, TO je cyIIITa crBapHOCT. Tpe6a caxro rrpoHHKHyrH y MHcao H HaMepe rrpOTHBHHKa.

XI1AAHAAP AU;: A IIITa aKO ce rrpeBapHMo y TOM naraharsy?

M.C.M.: Aa HaM ce TO He 6H AeCH110, rpeoa Aa 3HaMO nanaver rseioee pamrje IIIaXOBCKe naprn]e. ApyrHM petIHMa, MopaMO ce BpaTHTH H3BopHMa canpesrerre CBeTCKe rr011HTHKe. Aa 11H cre, na rrpHMep, tIy11H aa Tpnaarepaaay KOMHCMjy, TaKO Ha3BaHY 3aTO IIITO ce IDeHa Moh OCAaIDa na lhYAe KOjH 3aY3HMajy KlhyqHe noaoxcaje y AMepHQH, Espona H J arrany?' Kopeae Te KOMHcHje hexro nahrr y oprannaanrqa "OKpyr11H cro" xoja je caojespesreno yrHQa11a na aMepHtIKOr rrpeACeAHHKa BH11coHa. Y TOKY Ilpaor

5 I10,ll,aU;M 0 Tpnaarepaanoj KOMMCMjM aaaeaenn cy no Clle,ll,ehMM CTY,lI,MjaMa: Aaen ae Benoa "TeXHOKpaTCKM MOH,ll,MjallM3aM r. Ep)Ke3MHCKor", I1apM3, pesrqa, CBeTCKa rrpeacrasa", 6p. 209, aBrycT 1979. (Alain de Benoist, "Le mondialisme technocratique de M. Briezinski", Paris, "Spectacle du monde", Nr. 209, aout, 1979).

EpMK zlopan, "TpMllaTepalla: TO ,lI,MCKpeTHo ,lI,PYiliTBO xoje 6Y,lI,M HaillY paaosnaaocr'', I1apM3, ,,<I>Mrapo Mara3MH", 19 oKT06ap 1985. (Eric Laurent, "La Trilaterale: cette societe qui nous intrigue", Paris, "Le Figaro Magazine", 19.X 1985.).

Bepnap ,lI,e I'areanje, "TpMllaTepalla: je,ll,Ha nocefina M,lI,eja 0 cnery", I1apM3, "AcTpolla6", 6p. 84,1986. (Bernard de Gatellier, "Trilateral: une certaine idee du monde", "L' Astrolabe", Nr. 84, 1986).

csercxor paTa, "OKpyrlH1 cro" ce pa3BHO y ABe rpaHe: KpaJbeBCKH HHcrHTYT HHTepHaU;HOHaAHHX nOCAOBa y Enraecxoj H CaBeT HHTepHaU;HOHaAHHX OAHOca HAH K<p.P. Y cM· CeAHIIITe Tor casera je 6HAO y Hsyjopxy, na yrAy IIapK Aseisy H 68. yAHu;e. CeMMAecerHX roAHHa osor nexa, rrpeacezunrx Casera AaBHA Poxrpeaep, yjeAHo AHpeKTop 6aHKe qej3 MaHXaTaH, AOIlIao je na rroxrrrcao Aa 6H TY oprarraaannjy Tpe6aAO npoIlIHpHTH na TpH KOHTHHeHTa H AaTH joj naanerapne passrepe. 11 TaKO je Tpnaarepaaaa KOMHcMja 3BaHWIHO OCHOBaHa 1973. roanae y Tosnjy.

IIoABAatIHM Aa HHje no cpeAH HHKaKBa rajaa opramrsarmja. ORa 6pOjH HeKOAHKO CTOTHHa tIAaHOBa, 06aBe3Ho YTHu;ajHHx AHtIHOCTH H3 <pHHaHcMjcKe H nOAHTHtIKe 06AacTH, tIHja cy HMeHa onnrre n03HaTa. AOBOlhHO je nOMeHYTH KHCHHI,Iepa, AlDeAMja HAH POTIIIHAAa. IIpHAHKoM cacranxa Tpnaarepaaae KOMHcHje y PHMY, nana JOBaHIIaBAe n je CBe npHcyTHe y BaTHKaHY n03ApaBHo: "BaIlIe BeAHKO 60raTcTBo snaa,a y 06AacTH nOAHTHKe, eKoHoMMje H <pHHaHcHja BaM Aaje CPeAcrBa jetJ,He 3HaTHe MohH".6 A jeaan <ppamzycKH HOBHHap ce HHje ycrpyqaBao Aa HanHIIIe: "I-bHXOB yrnuaj H oMYKe xoje H3a3HBajyYMpajy rresar na CYA6HHY rrpexo MHAMjapAe lhYAH".7

X11AAHAAP AU;: 113 rora ce jOIlI He BHAH KaKBe nocpezure HAH nenocpeaae nese nocroje H3MeDY Tpnaarepaarre KOMHcMje H nOAHTHKe 3anaAa y OAHOCY na Cp6e H [yrocaaaajy,

M.C.M.: Te sese rrocroje H OHe cy BHIIIecrpYKe. IIpe csera, HMje caysajno I1ITO cy CKOPO CBH rAaBHH 3anaAHH yqeCHHIJ;H y jyrocaosencxo] ApaMH tIAaHOBH Tpnaarepaaae KOMHcHje: noxen OA npeACeAHHKa BYIIIa, KOjH je ynaAHO npBy BapHHU;Y y fiaaxancxoj 6apYTaHH 3aY3HMajyhH ce aa IIIHnTape na KOCOBY, rrpexo AOPM KapHHITOHa, AO Cajpyc Benca H Bopen Kpacrrxpepa ...

X11AAHAAP AU;: ... IIITO jOIlI HHje AOBOlhaH AOKa3. AKO ce y jetJ,HOM APYIlITBY HaDY oxynaena cnOlhHonOAHTHtIKH cTpyqfbaU;H, caCBHM je HopMaAHO Aa cYTpa MHore OA fbHX BHAHMO na pa3HHM OAfOBOpHHM noaozcajroaa, AAH THMe HHje o6jaIlIfbeHo HH 3aIlITO OHH BOAe 6aIlI MTY nOAHTHKY a He HeKY APYIY HHTH je AOKa3aHO Aaje nOAHTHKa Tpnaarepaaae KOMHcMje ynepena npOTHB Cp6a H [yrocaaanje.

M.C.M.: BH cre y npaBy. 3aTo caM na nOtIerKY H HarAaCHO Aa "HMje caysajao'' I1ITO 6aIlI tIAaHOBH Tpnaarepaane KOMHcMje OMyqyjy 0 nanro] CYA6HHH. HaHMe, nocroje HAeOAOIlIKe nOCTaBKe Te KOMHcHje - HAH, TatIHHje, nOAHTHtIKe nocrasxe, nOIlITO je OHa npOTHB CBHX HAeOAorMja - xoje ce MOry cMaTpaTH rAaBHHM ITYToKa3HMa fbHXOBe AHllAOMaTCKe aKTHBHOCTH. Y TOM noraeay, Ba)l(HO je 3aYCTaBHTH ce na AWIHOCTH 36HffbeBa Bp)l(e3HHCKor KOjH je 6HO npBH MHCAHAau;, aKO He "HAeOAor" Te oprannaanaje. PODeH 1928. roamre y BapIlIaBH. CHH nozscxor AHllAOMaTe TMeYIIIa Bp)l(e3HHcKor. 1949. npHMa aMepWIKo Ap)l(aBlhaHCTBo H crYAHpa nOAHTWIKe HaYKe y Xapsapzy, rae ce ynoaaaje ca XeHpH KHCHHI,IepoM. O)l(eHHO ce hepxosr tIeXOCAOBatIKOr npeACeAHHKa Ezyapaa Benema, 1961. rrocraje AHpeKTop 11HcrHTYTa aa H3yqaBafbe KOMYHHcrWIKHX rrpofiaesra KOjH <pHHaHcHpa Posrpeaeposa <poHAau;Mja. AaBHA

6 "Le Figaro Magazine", 19.X 1985, naseaenn 1.lAaHaK, CTp. 136-139 7 J.1CTO, CTp. 139

POK<FeAep ra )'BOAH y TpHAaTepaAHY KOMHCHjy. OA lDeHOr OCHHBaIDa AO 1976. Ep)l(e3HHCKH je He caxro lDeH AHpeKTOp Hero H reoperrorap. Kao TaKaB, OH aa TpHAaTepaAY perpyryje 6y AYher aMepHtIKOr npe,tJ,Ce,tJ,HHKa UHMH Kaprepa, a oaaj ra, H3 3aXBaAHOCTH, rrocraazsa 1977. roAHHe aa npe,tJ,ce,ll,HHKa HaU;HoHaAHor casera 6e36e,ll,HOCTH.8

XJ1llAH,lI,AP AU;: IIlTa xohe Ep)l(e3HHcKH?

M.C.M.: OH AeAyje y BHIIIe npaBau;a, aAH Hac OBAe HajBHIIIe mrrepecyjy TpH rserose renaemraje: npOTHB CBHX HaU;HOHaAH3aMa, npOTHB Pycaje, npOTHB CBHX eBponCKHX H janaHCKHX Te)l(lDH aa He3aBHcHoIIIhy y O,ll,Hocy na AMepHKY. Hserosa Tpa,tJ,HU;HOHaAHa rrozscxa Mp)l(lDa npeMa PyCHMa ra AOBOAH AO onpaBAalDa 60lhIIIeBH3Ma: "I1CTopHjcKa YAora CTalbHHHCTHtIKOr KOMYHH3Ma cacrojaaa ce MO)l(,ll,a y TOMe Aa ce orpaHHtIe uocaeanne jearror HaU;HOHaAHOr 6y1)elDa H tIaK HHTeH3HBHor HMnepHjaAH3Ma xoje je PYCKH HapOA rrosaanao". A jeaan <FpaHIzycKH HOBHHap H3 rora H3BAatIH 3aKlhyqaK: "Ee3 Crazsnna, u;apHCTHtIKa Pycrqa 6H nOCTaAa "IIIOBHHHCTHtIKa MOAepHa AHKTarypa", MHoro onaorn]a Hero 60lhIIIeBHtIKa PYCHja". Ca COBjeTcKHM caBe30M ce MorAO AHCKYTOBaTH, xao ca MalDHM 3AOM, jep je 60lhIIIeBH3aM 3aY3AaBao PYCKH HMnepMjaAH3aM, aAH rrpexsa HaU;HOHaAHoj PycHjH He TPe6a HMaTH MHAOCTH. Kao IIITO BHAHTe, CBa nOAHTHtIKa axryeanocr je ry seh CaAp)l(aHa y KAHU;H.9

XI1AAHAAP AU;: AKO ce He BapaM, BH CTe paanje )l(HrOCaAH OTOHa Xa636ypIIIKor xao HaIIIer raasnor nenpajarezsa, a caaa HaAa3HTe Y3pOKe AaHaIIIlDe aarrrcprrcxe H aHTHnpaBOCAaBHe nOAHTHKe KOA Ep)l(e3HHCKOr. AaAHje HY)I(HO npahara ce y npOIIIAOCT, KOA TOAHKHX npHMepa KOjH cy HaM 6AH)I(H? MHorH AaHac ronope 0 canesy HAH ,,3aBepH" Hesraxxe H BaTHKaHa npOTHB Cp6a. IIITa MHCAHTe 0 TOMe?

M.C.M.: Baa-a pa3AHKOBaTH PYKOBOAHou;e OA H3BpIIIHou;a. HaIIIH eBponCKH nerrpnjarea.n, 3BaAH ce OHH KOA, Tenmep HAH OTOH Xa636ypIIIKH, cy caxro H3BpIIIHOU;H, na Ma KOAHKa 6HAa lDHXOBa e<FHKacHoCT. A 3HaMO Aa OHa HMje He3HaTHa. OTOH Xa636ypIIIKH nnje Y3aAYA oA6HO Aa ce npHMH npe,tJ,ce,tJ,HHIIITBa Mahapcxe penyfianxe, cssarpajyha Aa he ,,6HTH KOpHCHHjH" Y KpHAY Esponcxe 3aje,ll,HHu;e. 11 nepyjexr Aa je y Enpona npOTHB Hac npHA06HO MHore Ap)l(aBe xoje cy na nOtIeTKY 6HAe HeoMyqHe. BaTHKaH je HeIIITO caCBHM APyrO. OH je nyCTHO MHOro Ay6lhe KopeHe. Tlana HHKa,tJ,a HHje H3BpIIIHAau;, OH MO)l(e casro 6HTH napTHep H Capa,ll,HHK PYKOBOAHou;a. Xa636yp3H HHCY 6HAH HaIIIH nenpajarezsx BHIIIe jyqe Hero IIITO cy AaHac HAH IIITO he 6HTH CJ"Tpa. AAH Ba)l(HOCT lDHXOBe yaore na EaAKaHY He 3aBHCH OA lDHX Hero je <FYHKu;Mja noaoxca]a Pycaje, AKO ce Pycaja caM a OA ce6e pacna,tJ,He, nesra rrorpefie Aa ce crrryannja KOMTIAHKyje pecrayparmjosr xa636ypIIIKe MOHapxHje H, eserrryaarro, OTOMaHCKor u;apcTBa. EYAe AH ce Pycnja nOHOBO OCHa)l(HAa xao CBeTCKa HMnepMja,

8 "CBeTCKa npeacrasa", nOM. l.IllaHaK, CTp. 26

9 Mehy cnMCMMa Ep)Ke3MHCKor, A. ae Benoa MCTMl.Ie ,lI,ellO "AllTepHaTMBa aa noaeay" ("Alternative to partition", 1965), a ae I'areanje "TeXHeTpOHMl.lHY pesoaynajy" ("La Revolution teclmetronique", 1971).

AOIIIllO 6H AO noaeae aa HHTepeCHe c<pepe, AO HOBe [aare H TeIIIKO je BepOBaTH Aa 6H 'raaa PyCH OCTaBHllH Cp6e ryUHHU;HMa na MHllOCT H HeMHllOCT. Xa636yp3H 6H HMallH IIIaHCe aa rrOBpaTe 6ap je,tJ,aH Aeo CBOra u;apCTBa xaa 6H ce OBa cnryaunja rrpOA)')KHlla, xaa 6H PYCKa Ap)l(aBa AY)I(e spesrena ocraaa pOBHTa, jep 6H onaa 6HllO HpKHo y6p3aTH IDeH rraa, C 063HpoM Ha ry MOIyhHOCT, 3arra,tJ, he HaCTaBHTH Aa na Baaxarry rroarpena cTapa )l(apHIIITa na KOCOBY H MaKe,tJ,oHMjH, 311Y He rpeoaao, srax H Y Cllyqajy rrpHBpeMeHOr rrpHMHpja. [a ce tIaK qyAHM za AO caaa nnje 6HllO HHTeH3HBHHjHX noxymaja Aa ce Llpna Topa oruernr OA Cp6Mje jep TO je 6HO BeKOBHH rrpHHU;Hrr aYCTpMjCKe rroarrnrxe: crrpesnrrn Cp6HMa H311a3 na Mope. Y6eueH caM Aa ce Y TOM rrpaBU;y seh 036HlhHO pa,tJ,H. OCHM rora, rpetia OTKllOHHTH H orraCHOCT Aa Pycrqa, rrpeKO CaBe3HHtIKe Cp6Hje, H36Hje na [aapan, He 3a60paBHMo Aa je TO 6HO jeaan OA raaannx pa3110ra sanaane rrOApIIIKe Trrry rrpOTHB MOCKBe.

XMAAH,4AP Au;: YKpaTKO, BH sepyjere Y HeKY BpCry IIBapHja6HllHe Ieosrerpaje", KaKO ce TO AaHac Ka~

M.C.M.: Bepoaaan HllH He, TO je OCHOBHH 3aKOH rroasrnrxe. TaKTHKa 3aBHCH OA crparernje, OHa je rrpnaarohanaae crparernje AaTHM OKOllHOCTHMa H MoryhHoCTHMa. 3aTO je aa MeHe saacan Ep)l(e3HHCKH: OH HaM, 6ap AellHMHtIHO, OTKpHBa U;HlheBe crparernje xoja AejcTByje rrpOTHB Hac. Iloraeaajre rrpHMep u;pBeHe KHHe. AMepHKaHQH cy ce roAHHaMa naaaaa Aa he KHHa je,tJ,Hor AaHa 3ara3HTH Y paT ca COBjeTCKHM CaBe30M. Oryaa he, Maja, 1981., Tpnaarepaaaa KOMHcMja OAp)l(aTH cacranax ycpeA I1eKHHra, Y Ilaaara HapoAa, na TPry Tjea AH MeH, y3 A06pOAOIIIllHIJ;y AeHr Kcnaorranra. AllH tIHM cy rrosean rrperoBopH H3Meuy KHHe H Cosjercxor Caseaa, 6aIII rrpHllHKoM rrocere Iopoa-roaa, y I1eKHHry ce II CrrOHTaHo' , AHrlla rr06YHa na HCTOM TPry Tjen AH MeH. KHHa je asneaepnaa CBOjy MHCMjy H CBa sarraana IIITaMrra je ooopnaa ApBlhe H KaMeIDe na KOMYHHCTHtIKH repop rrpOTHB cryAeHaTa H HeBHHor CTaHOBHHIIITBa. CeTHTe ce qaYIIIecKor, najxpnannjer KOMYHHCTHtIKOr THpaHHHa, H oAYIIIeBlheH»a C KOjHM je rr03ApaBlheH IDeroB naa, He aa AJfO.

C 063HPOM, Aa ce rr06YIDeHHU;H HHCY O,ll,Max oKpeHYllH rrpoTHB COBjeTCKOr Canesa, OHH cy npexonoh 6HllH )l(HrocaHH xao arerrrn KfE, a MaCOBHH rroxozs KOjH je, HaBO,ll,HO, H3BpIIIHO qaYIIIecKY na TeMHIIIBapcKoM rpoozsy je rrpHKa3aH xao 06Hl!Ha rrpeBapa. Ho xaa je y MOllAaBMjH H36HO paT H3MeUY Pyca H PyMyHa, narrazn sarraane IIITaMrre na HOBe rocnoaape PyMYHMje cy ce YTHIIIallH. fuH Cllyqaj Pycnje. AOK je Ioptiason 6HO na BllaCTH, 6Hlla je CJMIDHBa H nenoacea.aa IDerOBa HaMepa Aa IIrrOCTerreHO HarrycTH KOMYHH3aM", 3aTO IIITO 6H rpaHHu;e Cosjercxor Casesa ocraae nenospehene. To je 6HO pa3110r sanaane xasmaae rrpoTHB opramrsamqe lII1aMjaT" H IIpycKor aHTHceMHTH3Ma". Ae MapaHIII, IIIe<p <ppaHIJ;ycKe 06aBeIIITajHe CllY)l(6e, HHje oxaesao Aa ce 360r 'rora 060pH na Pyce, rra ce tIaK H OTOH Xa636ypIIIKH YCYAHO Aa HM Aaje lleKQHje 360r IIrrorpoMa", 3a60paBlhajyhH 20 MHllHOHa PYCKHX )l(pTaBa y 60p6H rrpoTHB HaU;H3Ma.10 Ho, AOllaCKOM JelhU;HHa, COBjeTCKH CaBe3 ce pacrrao, 6allTHtIKe 3eMlhe cy ra narrycrnae, YKpajHHa ce ornennaa OA Pycaje, a CYA6HHa <pllOTe je rrocraaa HeH3BeCHa, rra BHIIIe HMje 6Hlla rrorpeona HH xasmaa,a rrpOTHB IIpycKor aHTHceMHTH3Ma".

10 "Paris match" 2.9.1989. "Le Figaro", OA 10.1.1990.

XMllAH,4APAU;: BOjHM ce Aa CMO ce nOTrryHO YAalhHllH OA saaaae resre, za CMO ce CYl3HIIIe 3a,tJ,PXaAH na nOAHTHn;H HAH, aKO xohere, na "HOBOM CBeTKOM noperxy", a Aa ce yonIIITe HHCMO AOTaKAH Ilpaaocaaaa,a. MeOYTHM, aKO nocroje Ma H HajMalDH H3rAeAH Aa ce MeOYHapO,ll,HH O,ll,HOCH y Eaponn CMHpe H HOpMaAH3yjy, TO ce Moxe caxro OCTBapHTH peAHrH03HHM rryresr, aaxsazsyjyhrr I1paBoCAaBHoj U;PKBH H xpHIIIhaHCKHM n;pKBaMa.

M.C.M.: He 60jTe ce, HHCMO cKpeHYAH C nyTa: nOmAH CMO OA tIHlDeHHn;a H H,lI,eMO npaBo nOCTaBlheHOM QHlhy. I10TrryHO ce CAaxeM C Baxta Aa HaM crrac Moxe AohH caxro OA peAHrnje, YKOAHKO npaBOCAaBHe U;pKBe H HapOAH 6y.4Y ycneAH M ce na BpeMe caozce. MHatIe MH HeKaKBY HCKpeHY H TPajHY nosroh OA 3ana,tJ,a He MoxeMO OtIeKHBaTH. A xaa je petI 0 xpHIIIhaHcKHM n;pKBaMa, HMaM YTHcaK aa je eKYMeHH3aM AOXHBeo CAOM. M nope,tJ, AOKYMeHTOBaHHX CBe,tJ,OtIaHCTaBa Cpncxe I1paBoCAaBHe U;pKBe, HMje,ll,Ha aerrpanocaaaaa U;pKBa HHje [anno H 3BaHHtIHO YCTaAa y oA6paHJ MYtIeHHtIKOr cpncKor HapoAa.

XMllAH,4APAU;: MHcAHTe AH peha Aa ce na 'raj HaHHH 06HcTHHHlla oCYAa oua JYCTHHa Tlorronaha: " CBe Te ncenaoupxse HHCY Apyro AO jepec AO jepecn"?

M.C.M.: I<aA cre seh nOMeHYAH oua JYCTHHa, CeTHMO ce H onora IIITO je peKao 0 KaTOAHtIKoj n;pKBH, xoja 3aCAyxyje Aa joj nOCBeTHMO noceony na)l(lDY. .Xpacra cy nOTHCAH na He60, a na Hseroso MeCTO nOCTaBHllH "HaMeCHHKa" - nany, Boroaosexa 3aMeHHAH tIOBeKOM, a lhy6aB "CHCTeMaTCKHM YKAalDalDeM, YHHIIITaBalDeM csera IIITO ce He xaarsa narnr, rra tIaK H HaCHllHHM npeaoheisesr y nanCKY Bepy H CnalhHBalDeM rpeIIIHHKa y CAaBY KpOTKora H fiaarora I'ocnoaa Hcyca''."

XMAAH,4AP AU;: Ynpxoc TOMe, orau JYCTHH mrje 6HO npoTHB HCTHHCKor eKYMeHH3Ma H rroxrapen.a Meoy xpHIIIhaHHMa, aAH nOA YCAOBOM Aa ce Cuero] qaIIIH npnhe Kp03 rroxajarse. "Be3 noxajarea H crynalDa y MCTHHHry U;pKBy XpHCTOBY - roBOPHO je OH - HenpHpO,ll,HO je H 6ecMHCAeHo je roBOPHTH 0 HeKOM yje,tJ,HlDelDY "n;pKaBa", 0 AHjaAOry lhy6aBH, 0 HHTepKOMYHHO". Y noxajarsy npea BorotIOBeKOM, OH je BHAeo AeK H aa "CBerpex" nanaasra,

M.C.M.: MHCAHM M CMO ce ry AOTaKAH cyrnnrne rrporiaesra, Jep MYKa je y TOMe, IIITO ce n;pB OAaBHO YBYKao y BohKY. Y6HllatIKa Mp)l(lDa npeMa HeKaTOAHn;HMa H36Hja seh KOA TOMe AKBHHCKor. EBO IIITa je OH nncao y CBOM KanHTaAHOM AeAY "CYMa reoaornje'' (apyra TOM Apyror AeAa, noraana-e "Bepa", mrrarse 6p. 11): "IIITO ce THtIe jepernxa, rpeoa Y3eTH y 063Hp ABe cTBapH, OA KOjHX ce je,ll,Ha THtIe lDHX, a Apyra U;pKBe. C lDHXOBe CTPaHe, nOCTojH rpex. Onaj 360r xora cy 3aCAyxHAH He casro M OA U;PKBe 6y.4Y YMlheHH eKCKOMYHHKan;MjOM Hero H Aa 6YAY OA CBeTa oACTpalDeHH csrphy, M 3aHCTa, MHOro je rope HarpAHTH Bepy na KOjOj nOtIHBa AYIIIeBHH XHBOT Hero <paACH<pHKOBaTH HOBan; KOjH CAyxH Y CBaKO,ll,HeBHOM XHBory. I1peMa TOMe, aKO cy <paACH<pHKaTopH 0AMax ocyoeHH OA 3eMalhCKHX BAa,tJ,apa na CMPT, no npaBAH 3aKOHa, THM npe jepernna,

11 ApXMM. Ap. JYCTMH I10IIOBMh, "I1paBoCAaBHa U;pKBa M eKYMeHM3aM", COllYJI, 1974, crp. 180 M 150.

qJ1M ce AOKa)Ke fbIDCOBa jepec, MOry 6J1TJ1 He caxro eKCKOMYHJ1QJ1paHJ1 Hero CaCBJ1M rrpasezao rrorytizseaa. Ca crpane U;pKBe, HarrpOTJ1B, rrocrojn CaMJ1AOCT 360r rrpeoopahan,a 3a6AYAeAJ1X. 3aTO OHa He ocyoyje 0AMax Hero "rrOClle rrpBe J1 Apyre onosrene", xao IIITO yqJ1 ArrOCTOA. AAJ1 nocae 'rora, aKO ce jepernx J1 Aalhe oAyrrJ1pe, U;pKBa, xoja BJ1IIIe rresra naae Aa he ce OH noxajarn, AOrrpJ1HOCJ1 cnacersy APyrnx oABajajyhJ1 ra OA ce6e npecyzosr eKcKoMYHJ1KaQl1je J1 HaKHaAHO ra rrperryrnTa CBeTOBHOM CYAY M 6J1 OA CBeTa 6J10 oA6aqeH CMphy". Aa ce caBpeMeHJ1 qJ1TaAaQ He 6J1 ca6Aa3HJ10 rrpea OBJ1M rexcron. caapexremr PeAaKTOP <ppaHIzyCKor J13AaIDa OA 1985. roAJ1He, AOAaje aanoseeny: "MJ1 MHac He MO)KeMO OCYOJ1BaTJ1 MeHTaAJ1TeT ql1jJ1 eAeMeHTJ1 pacyhnnaesa HaM aeaocrajy" .12

XJ1l.I.AH4AP AU;: 11 OH cMaTpa Aa cy TOM rrpJ1MeA60M KaTOAJ1QJ1 OrrpaAJ1 caoje pyxe?

M.C.M.: He, OH Bepyje Aa je TJ1Me rrpeBapJ10 canpesrenor qJ1TaOQa. Y CTBapJ1, xao 06pa30BaH reoaor, OH je Mopao 3HaTJ1 Aa je HaQeAO TOMe AKBJ1HCKOr rrpe)KJ1BeAO BeKOBe J1 Aa je 1910. roAJ1He, o. AerrJ1cje, 6YAYhJ1 KapAJ1HaA y CBOMe AeAY ,,0 cra6J1AHocrJ1 J1 rrporpecy AOfMaTa" - KOjJ1M je 3aCllY)KJ10 oA06pefbe rrarre IIl1ja X, a CKaHAaAJ130BaO jeznor rrosnaror MaCOHa 13 - HarrJ1CaO caeaehe: "AKO jepeTJ1QJ1 KOjJ1 cy Cllo60AHO rrocraan jepeTJ1QJ1 jaBHO nponoaeaajy jepec, rra CBojJ1M rrpJ1MepOM J1 CBojJ1M rrory6HJ1M pa3A03J1Ma rroAcr~ Apyre Aa rrpJ1XBaTe ncre 3a6AYAe, HJ1KO He MO)Ke cyMfbaTJ1 M 3aCll)')Kyjy He casro Aa 6yAY J13 U;pKBe J1CKlhyqeHJ1 eKCKOMYHJ1KaQJ1jOM Hero (raxohe) J136pJ1CaHJ1 csrphy J13 CrrJ1CKa )KJ1BIDC".

XMAAHAAP AU;: EJ1AO KOjJ1 je3YJ1Ta he BaM pehn Aa fbJ1XOBa QPKBa paaarrxyje jepernxe OA IIIJ13MaTJ1Ka-paCKOAHJ1Ka, a Aa rrpaBOCllaBHJ1, rro KaTOAJ1QKOM CXBaTafbY, rrpnrraaajy OBJ1M ApyrJ1M.

M.C.M.: A ja hy je3Y11TJ1 OAfOBOPJ1TJ1 Aa cy KaTOAJ1QJ1 y6l1jaAJ1 Tlpaeocaaaae xaa roa 6J1 nerae AOIIIAJ1 na naacr, 6J1A0 Aa cy J1X Ha3J1BaAJ1 jepeTJ1QJ1Ma J1AJ1 IIIJ13MaTJ1QJ1Ma. IIOACeTJ1hy ra na KpCTaIIIKO ocaajarse Llapnrpaaa, 1204. roAJ1He, xoje ce rrpeTBOpJ1AO y nacnae, IIlhaQKY J1 rro)Kap rpatJ,a. HaBeIIIhy My rrpJ1Mep nozscxe J1HBa3l1je Pycaje, na rroQeTKY XVII sexa, xoja ce, rro 3AOQJ1HJ1Ma J13BpIIIeHJ1M naa PYCKJ1M HapoAoM, MO)Ke caxro rropeAJ1TJ1 ca ycraIIIKJ1M reHoQJ1AOM.14

AOAahy M je, KpajeM ncror sexa, xaaa je Ayj XIV caisao 0 MoryhHOcrJ1 ocaoeohen,a Llapnrpaaa, AJ1IIAOMaTa Aa Kpoa rrpeMarao <ppaHIzycKoM KpalhY Aa rrpeBeAe CBe rrpasocaaaae y KaTOAJ1QJ13aM, AOK My je <ppafbeBaQ MJ1IIIeA cI>eBp, KOjJ1 je rrpe 'rora rrOKaTOAJ1qJ10 aHTJ10XJ1jcKor narprrjapxa, cyrepJ1pao Aa <pJ13J1qKJ1 J1crpe6J1 CBe

12 Y <FpaHI~ycKoM M3AaIDY OA 1985, HaBeAeHM TeKCT ce HaAa3M y 3. KIDM3M "CyMa reoaornje", I1apM3, M3AaIDe AM Ceprp (Du Serf), na cTpaHM 91.

13 J.1B MapCOAOH, "EKYMeHM3aM y OQMMa jeaaor TpaAMQMoHaAHor <FpaMaCOHa", I1apM3, BMTMaHo, 1964, CTp. 31. (Yves Marsaudon, "L'oecumenisme vu par un franc-macon de tradition", Paris, L'Horizon international/Editions Vitiano, 1964).

14 A. B. KapTaIIIoB, "OQepKM ITO MCTOPMM PyCCKOM QepKBM", TOM II, Pariz, IMKA-Pres, 1959, CTp. 84-85,280-281

IIH13Man:lKe KOjH He 6yAY xrean za npl1XBaTe KaT011WIKY sepy." Orxpnhy MY MallO n03HaTe nOAaTKe 0 pKaCHHM nporoHHMa npaBOCllaBHHX Cp6a y Aycrpo-Yrapcxoj, xaaa je jeayrrra Taspaao XeBeHeIIIH CaBeTOBaO u;apy JOCH<FY I za 11HKBHAHpa cpncKor B11aAHKY 11caMjy 1)aKoBHha KOjH he, roAHHY AaHa KaCHMje, MHcrepHo3Ho "Ha npesan" YMpeTH y Bery, Ooasecrnhy ra, najaaz, M cy pyCKH eMHrpaHTI1 1993. nOHOBO H3AalJ.H KlDHIy Ilorroaa-Fprraenxa "fOlbeIDe npaBoCllaBHHX H Pyca y I10lhCKOj XX sexa", xoja je npBH nyT H3aIIIlla y Beorpaay, 1937. IOAHHe.16

XJ.1JlAH,4AP Au;: 11 AOBeIIIheTe ra y IIIKpHnau;. 3aTo IIITO KaT011HtIKoj U;PKBH HHje Moryhe Aa ce OA rora orpaAH H Te I'posore OCYAH xao 3110Ae11a nojeamraua, aKO ce noxaxce M cy OHH Y CBOjHM n0CTyTIU;HMa caeaonaan npaBHlla U;pKBe. HY)KHO je, AaKlle, npe CBaKe AHcKYcMje 0 rrancxo] HenorpeIIIHBocrH, Aa ce PHMcKa u;pKBa rroxaje 360r CBHX KaT011HtIKHX 3110tIHHa y npoIII11ocTH H yjeano oApeKHe CBOjHX 3110tIHHatIKHX npaBH11a. AKO je TO jeAHHH nyT xpHIIIhaHCKor 3611H)KeIDa, a orau [ycrnn HaM je rroxasao Aaje rroxajasse jetJ,HHH nyT KOjH BOAH HcrHHCKOM eKYMeHH3MY, OHAa crrac He MO)KeMO OtIeKHBaTH HH C Te crpaae, 6ap y xpahesr BpeMeHCKOM pOKy.

M.C.M.: ,Lip Tor 3aKlhyqKa Mopa AohH CBaKH 06jeKTHBaH nOCMaTpatI. Kaxo Tlarra MO)Ke OCYAHTH ycraIIIKe 3110tIHHe, KaA 3Ha Aa 6H HX oAo6pH11H TOMa AKBHHCKH H KapAHHall zlenaqe? I1pH3HajeM Aa caM ce HeKO BpeMe H [a 3aBapaBao HaAOM M he "npBH CllOBeHCKH nana'' AonpHHeTH ycnocraBlhaIDY MHpa y [yrocaasaja. EHllO je AOBOlhHO Aa ca aMBOHa OCYAH ycraIIIKH reHOU;HA H CBe OHe KOjH cy 6H11H KOMnpoMHToBaHH BaTHKaHCKOM n011HTHKOM aa BpeMe Apyror CBeTCKor paTa. YMecTo rora, OH je oTBopeHo crao na cTpaHY TYDMaHa H HCKOPHcrHO CBaKY npHllHKY Aa OA 3anatJ,HHX Ap)KaBHHKa - OA KllHHTOHa AO Baaazypa" - TPa)KH mrrepsernnrjy npoTHB Cp6a H Cp6Mje. I10Clle 36HfIDeBa Ep)Ke3HHCKor H rrarre Boirnae, HaIIIao ce H rpehn I10lhaK - Mja30BeU;KH! - Aa HaM PaAH 0 r11aBH. Hnje oxaesao Aa aa aecpehe y EOCHH H Xpsarcxoj OCYAH Cp6e. MtJ,yhH nyT rpeoa OA Te "ClloBeHcKe 6pahe" xoja Hac yse MOpallY 3aTpa)KHTH Aa HaM

IS Karapnaa Ae Boxopoej-Macaaoaah, "OTOMaHCKO QapCTBO M <ppaHIZYCKo-ryPCKM OAHOCM y rrocae.nso] TpehMHM XVII sexa rro CBeAOqaHCTBY rocnoanna Aa Kpoa" - na <ppaHQYCKOM - Te3a aa AMrrllOMY apxaaapa-naaeorparpa, I1apM3, 1985, CTp. 122, 129. (Katarina de Vaucorbeil-Massalovitch, "L'Empire ottoman et les relations franco-turques dans Ie dernier tiers du XVII* siecle d'apres Ie temoignage du sieur de La Croix". - These pour Ie diplome d'archiviste paleographe, Paris, 1985).

16 AAeKCaHAap Tlorron (Ba, [pMHeHKo), ,,[oHeHMe tra rrpaBoCllaBMe M PYCCKJ1X B I10A>ce B XX-OM sexe", Beorpaa, Tlpore Mareje 67,1937.

17 Y rrpMCYCTBy rrpeAceAHMKa KAMHToHa, I1arra JOBaH-I1aBlle II je y AeHBepy (Koaopaao), 360r CYK06a na KaBKa3Y M Baaxaay, saxresao OA YjeAMIDeHMX Hannja Aa "e<pMKaCMO fipane yrpo)l(eHa craHoBMMIIITBa" (,,<I>Mrapo", 13.vm 1993). A rrpMllMKOM csoje nocere BaTMKaHY, <ppaHQYcKM upesrajep Baaaayp je rroABYKao norpeey, rrOBOAOM BoCHe, Aa ce YjeAJ1IDeHe Hannje "He CMejy ycrpyqaBaTM Aa ornrypajy rrOIIITOBaIDe CBojMX oMYKa" (" ... CJ1ll0M", ryMaqM ,,<I>Mrapo" OA 29.Xll993). I1aTPMK BaAAPMHJ1, peKTOp KaTOllMtIKOr 11HCTMTYTa y I1apM3y.06jaIIIIDaBa Aa je CBe TO y CKll<lA)T ca HOBOM rrOllMTMKOM CBeTe Croanne xoja ce, rrorryT Ap KyIIIHepa, aaaazce aa "rrpaBO MeIIIaIDa" MHTepHaQMOHaAHMX opramraamqa y HaQMOHaAHe cyK06e (,,<I>Mrapo" OA 13.X 1993). A IIITa aKO 6aIII re oprannaanrqe crnapajy HOBa )l(apMIIITa CYK06a M yrpozcanajy )l(MBOT qMTaBMX aapoaa?