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Historical Wargames General Anonymous Mon 27 Oct 2014

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Quoted By: >>35794710 >>35809387 >>35811251 >>35826152
Whiskey On The Rocks Edition

Get in here, post games, miniatures, questions, whatever you like.
65KiB, 940x531, Soviet submarine S-363 was a
Soviet Navy Whiskey-class submarine of the Baltic
Fleet, which became famous under the designation
U 137 when it ran aground on October 27, 1981 on
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List of mini providers:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uGaaOSvSTqpwPGAvLPY3B5M2WYppDhzXdjwMpqRxo9M/edit
Games folders:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lu95l5mgg06d5/Ancient
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/81ck8x600cas4/Medieval
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/w6m41ma3co51e/Horse_and_Musket
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/vh1uqv8gipzo1/Napoleonic
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bbpscr0dam7iy/ACW
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bvdtt01gh105d/Victorian
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/b35x147vmc6sg/World_War_One
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8a13ampzzs88/World_War_Two
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8i8t83bysdwz/Vietnam_War
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7n3mcn9hlgl1t/Modern
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/8tatre3vd10yv/Avalon_Hill
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/pq6ckzqo3g6e6/Field_Of_Glory
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/r2mff8tnl8bjy/GDW
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/qbqzazfkcbcyz/SPI
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/5lt6tgbl1lnm5/SPI_2
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ws6yi58d2oacc/Strategy_%26_Tactics_Magazine
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/s1am77aldi1as/Wargames
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/u6a8aci567tj1/Wargames_2
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Anonymous Mon 27 Oct 2014 12:45:54 No.35788973
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>Saga
http://www.mediafire.com/download/na89iw0ceod3on5/SAGA+-+Non-OCRed.pdf
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black+Powder.pdf
>Bolt Action - fully loaded!
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.co.nz/#!qF4mxZpA!c2qFyjO_cZ3IslVfTgpiijDOfhRsvOAOl4o1yilArZQ
https://mega.co.nz/#!nIQ2mKLA!AWkTcym7yRIPmIZNie0ac29wccxNZojwbTeTfbN7868
>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles++Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
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>Featherstone's Complete Wargaming

http://www.mediafire.com/download/hapnu2f7o9ny3i1/Featherson%27s+Complete+Wargaming.pdf
>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/3ps1swhmfm1ut/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>Crusader
http://www.mediafire.com/download/vftoq81u85i2k8y/Crusader.pdf
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27st October in military history:

710 Saracen invasion of Sardinia.
1524 Italian Wars: The French troops lay siege to Pavia.
1644 Second Battle of Newbury in the English Civil War.
1870 Marshal Franois Achille Bazaine surrenders to Prussian forces at the conclusion of the Siege of Metz
along with 140,000 French soldiers in one of the biggest French defeats of the Franco-Prussian War.
1914 The British lose their first battleship of World War I: The British super-dreadnought battleship HMS
Audacious (23,400 tons), is sunk off Tory Island, north-west of Ireland, by a minefield laid by the armed German
merchant-cruiser Berlin.The loss was kept an official secret in Britain until November 14 1918. The sinking was
witnessed and photographed by passengers on RMS Olympic sister ship of RMS Titanic.
1916 Battle of Segale: Negus Mikael, marching on the Ethiopian capital in support of his son Emperor Iyasu V,
is defeated by Fitawrari abte Giyorgis, securing the throne for Empress Zewditu I.
1944 World War II: German forces capture Bansk Bystrica during Slovak National Uprising thus bringing it to
an end.
1962 Major Rudolf Anderson of the United States Air Force becomes the only direct human casualty of the
Cuban missile crisis when his U-2 reconnaissance airplane is shot down in Cuba by a Soviet-supplied SA-2
Guideline surface-to-air missile.
1981 The Soviet submarine U 137 runs aground on the east coast of Sweden, in what would be known as the
"Whiskey On The Rocks Incident".
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Quoted By: >>35789388
>Soviet submarine S-363 was a Soviet Navy Whiskey-class submarine of the Baltic Fleet,
which became famous under the designation U 137 when it ran aground on October 27,
1981 on the south coast of Sweden, approximately 10 km from Karlskrona, one of the larger Swedish naval
bases. U137 was the unofficial Swedish name for the vessel, as the Soviets considered names of most of their
submarines to be classified at the time and did not disclose them. The ensuing international incident is often
referred to as the Whiskey on the rocks incident.
http://compunews.com/s139/sp2.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_S-363
Desired scans :
Cross and Crescent
Black Powder supplements
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 supplements
Hail Caesar! Late Antiquity to Early Medieval Army List
Any and all of Osprey's wargames
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Quoted By: >>35792537
New acquisition to kick off the thread:

Killing Bin Laden: Operation Neptune Spear 2011 (Osprey Raid 45)
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On May 2, 2011 a ten-year manhunt drew to a deadly end as the men of the US Naval Special Warfare
Development Group (a.k.a. SEAL Team Six) closed in on their prey, Osama Bin Laden, the mastermind of the
World Trade Center attack on September 11, 2001. Flown from Afghanistan by Army Special Operations
Commands 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne) and evading detection by the Pakistani
military, two US helicopters flew towards the compound where they believed Bin Laden to be. Forty minutes later
one helicopter had crashed and five people were dead, including the al-Qaeda leader. In this book the story of the
raid is told, from start to finish, using specially commissioned full-colour artwork, photographs, and maps. The
operation, codenamed Neptune Spear, is expertly analyzed and the events are told in a concise and clear
account of its build-up, execution, and aftermath, demonstrating the skill and courage of the men who carried it
out.
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>>35789320
Sauce?
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Quoted By: >>35789464 >>35789497
>>35788993
Look at all those poor bastards
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>>35789345
The shitty quality and how the angles are all NAVAL COMMERCIAL makes me think it is 99% certainly the
michael bay tv show "The Last Ship"
It's really bad
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>>35789345
see >>35789401
he's dead right too
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Quoted By: >>35789497 >>35790292
>>35789388
Fucking pitiful isn't it? IIRC, roughly 900 out of the 1200 man crew died in that sinking. Close to a 75% death toll
and most when the magazine exploded. I don't think they ever determined why the magazine went off, it wasn't
as if the RN had the same problems the IJN had in that area.
The IJN had Kongo, Yamato, and Mutsu suffer magazine explosions. Kongo and Yamato after they foundered
and Mutsu at anchor. There were a couple hundred flight school cadets touring Mutsu when she blew up. Their
loss didn't help IJN aviation one bit.
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>>35789388
>>35789464
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Barham_%2804%29#Sinking
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>>35789464
>>35789497
IIRC/AFAIK (somebody please call me out on this if I'm spouting bull-shit) British naval doctrine emphasized
achieving fire superiority by rapid fire with (comparatively) little regard to precision aiming. The thought being that
if you threw enough stuff at the enemy, some of it was bound to hit him. Furthermore the rapid fire prevents the
enemy from taking good aim at you.
Problem is, rapid fire expends ammunition very quickly. This puts pressure to deliver more ammo to the guns
faster. Safe-storage rules get bent or broken, explosive material is stacked in the hallways, and doors that should
be shut are left open.
This was much more of a problem during the First World War, but old habits die hard etc.
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>>35790292
>IIRC/AFAIK...
That's not at all accurate, but character limitations here and the general TL;DR mindset mean I won't bother
explaining what is wrong with it. If you're truly interested, check out Massie's "Castles of Steel" for an in depth
explanation.
The IJN issue I was referring to was the alarming tendency of it's capital ships suffering catastrophic magazine
explosions.
More than any other modern navy, the IJN lost ships in peace and war, moored and underway, pristine and battle
damaged, from magazine explosions. Togo's flagship at Tsushima, Mikasa, exploded at anchor a few weeks after
the Russo-Japanese War ended. Kongo was hit by two torpedoes, steamed on for a few hours, began to list, and
exploded while her crew was evacuating. Yamato, after being pounded by hundreds of aircraft, turned turtle, and
exploded as she sank. Mutsu, like Mikasa, exploded at anchor. Too many smaller IJN warships to name also
exploded when they either reached a certain list angle or turned turtle.
No other navy experienced similar incidents. There were magazine explosions here and there, but nothing like the
IJN's recurring problem. Researchers have suggested that ammo handling, ammo storage, and even certain types
of shells may to blame, but no one has ever come up with a satisfactory explanation.
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Quoted By: >>35792508 >>35809295
Ah, Japanese warships.

YOU WANT SENSIBLE CONNING TOWER?
WUCK YOU!
YOU GET CRAZY STACK LIKE JENGA!
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>>35790603
>Massie's "Castles of Steel"
>Popular work of narrative history
Sorry, but it's not my cup of tea. I'm more of a Friedmen's "Naval Firepower: Battleship Guns and Gunnery in the
Dreadnaught Era" sort of guy.
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>>35790851
>Sorry, but it's not my cup of tea. I'm more of a Friedmen's "Naval Firepower: Battleship Guns and Gunnery in
the Dreadnaught Era" sort of guy.
Throw in Okun and I'm reading the same stuff too. However, what book would you recommend to the casual
reader? Massie or Friedman/Okun?
I mentioned Massie because his book is more available and more accessible.
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>>35791972
I need to get around to playing that. A few people in one of the nearby clubs play it semi-regularly.
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>>35789320
The camo uniforms the navy uses now look really dumb. I can't believe that someone actually said "you know,
what we need to look professional is a digital camouflage pattern designed to cover up stains! We'll save millions
on laundry bills!"
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You know, I think it makes me the fatty of the day that I saw those blanked draped stalls and thought to myself,
"what the hell are a bunch of petit fours doing in that table?
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>>35790674
>Stand aside, sexier Axis shipping coming through
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>>35789011
>We got him over three years ago
Jesus christ
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>>35792429
Damn, that looks like it'd be an awesome (if nasty) board to play
Ambush Alley on.
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Is there any rules system for romance of the three kingdoms era games?
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>>35792387
>I can't believe that someone actually said "you know, what we need to look professional is
a digital camouflage pattern designed to cover up stains! We'll save millions on laundry
bills!"
We already had coveralls, anon, for exactly that reason. The rationale was, and I swear to
God this is true, "We want you to feel like you're >really< part of the military". Those were the exact words Dick
Cheney used when he was addressing a ship of 6000 men and women who had just spent 10 months at sea
bombing the fuck out of pretty much anything that moved. Doing Man Overboard drills EVERY WEEK, frequently
in waters where we knew that thirty seconds could mean life or death. We had already had one woman and two
men go over the side in storms and flight ops accidents. But hey, camoflauging the men against the sea but not
the haze-grey boats on which we stood watch looks so much more fashionable..
We booed him. As in, the VP, standing in front of us, with a big podium and Secret Service guarding him.
They ordered the footage of the address seized from the reporters on board and went ahead anyway, ignoring
heavy pushback from all levels of the enlisted ranks. Despite the fact that the Navy uniforms were literally the
oldest and most comfortable ones in the US inventory. I know it (along with Rumsfeld's other "reforms" like
banning cannibalization of parts in COMBAT SITUATIONS) was a major influence on many of my fellows to
GTFO. I rode out my second hitch and explicitly named the uniform change as one of the reasons I was leaving.
So.. yeah.
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>>35794546
>banning cannibalization of parts in COMBAT SITUATIONS
Righto. That's just fucked up. Do tell more.
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>>35788957
Reading through a couple of the new Bolt Action PDFs. The Soviet one is almost unreadable in some spots. I'll
have to pick up the actual book sometime soon and make a version of it. Won't be amazing as I'll have to use my
phone like this version is, but at least mine will be legible. Probably won't be able to get the book until next week
though, so don't hold your breath guys. May also get the Minor Axis nations one too if I find that PDF is lacking
as well.
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>>35794630
>Righto. That's just fucked up. Do tell more.
Dubya and Cheney hired a CEO friend of theirs as the SECDEF. He was a fucktard, and pushed a bunch of
changes down the line intended to make things more efficient.
Punishing people for mishaps (caused them to go unreported instead of corrected).
Banning the use of "Hangar queens" (taking aircraft/vehicles with severe, long-term problems like burnt-out wiring
harnesses and airframe cracks, and stripping the usable electronics to keep other birds flying) - led to planes
"mysteriously" developing twelve problems all at once at the squadron level, and chronic paperwork "errors".
Eventually, they flat-out banned cannibalization fleetwide, to the point that we had over a squadron down at once.
Whereupon they lifted the ban - but only for things that were scheduled for combat. Which led to every plane
being scheduled for combat every time it broke, completely trashing the repair priority system.
Swapping the Navy uniforms to a standardized Digicam instead of the old uniforms. In a remarkable coincidence,
one of his cronies happened to run one of the mills making fatigues.
Trying to force "more conservative" estimates of fuel, ammo, and food usage (translation: I'm going to forcibly
remove your margin for error and then punish you when it inevitably leads to an accident).
That's just the unclassified stuff. It was a never-ending shit parade, although I hear some of the more egregious
crap has been rolled back a bit.
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>>35795223
That is truly amazing. Thanks for sharing, anon.
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>>35795234
Glorious, to look like this I'd gladly take the kings shilling.
Just plz no posting to a malarial island
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>>35795508
Fine. No islands.
You get to go to India! HAVE FUN
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>>35795649
may I into Seringapatam?
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>>35795234
Sadly my interest is rising in the early tricorne era. Wargames Factory's WSS range seems suitable for the
Great Northern War - any tip or advice on this?
Except "finish your existing dozen armies you jerkwad", because I'm doing that, I'll pick up the WSS sets only
when the opportunity is present.
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>>35795649
>Let me tell you about Hindustan...
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>moderate interest in naval warfare, read a few books nothing special

>mfw kantai collection starts popping up everywhere online
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>>35795740
From what I've seen of the sets they're not particularly good. Not the worst, but kinda not right.
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>>35795815
WGF posted rather shitty paintjobs on the infantry, but after seeing some really good ones, I think I can pull that
look well. And on a sale (like Black Friday, and the existing 3 and 7 set discount), I can get them for a pretty
good price.
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From the TW FB page.

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>>35796164
what am i seeing here?
yet more failings of the warscape engine?
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>>35796202
Some angry dude hauled his rifle into the samurai's chest with the pointy end forward because he's a fucking
weeaboo piece of shit.
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>>35796234
and that's intentional?
Cause its fucking ridiculous.
if a tad amusing
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>>35796329
I guess it is.
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Quoted By: >>35796471 >>35797062
>>35796202
They made a mod to give units bayonets because the game retardedly didn't come with them. The guys who
made the mod just gave the bayonets spear animations so you get lulzy stuff like this sometimes.
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>>35796399
>game didnt come with them
CA don't get things right anymore do they?
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>>35796164
>>35796399
>total war facebook page
>they made a mood
I get the recognition won't be there on facebook, but damn guys. The mod was made by an tripfag on /vg/ and the
screenshot was taken by an anon on there. It pisses me off the way they've just plastered "twitch" over it.
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>>35797062
My activity on 4chan is covered by this thread and the new ones when the current ones reach the limit, and
occasionally /e/ when I need some fapmaterial. I had no idea who made the mod, or that it was even a mod, as I
haven't played Fall of the Samurai yet. Thought it was funny, and maybe others would enjoy it too. Shit happens.
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Anonymous Tue 28 Oct 2014 00:16:16 No.35798709
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Quoted By: >>35799980
So a few of the Warlord Japanese miniatures have sub-machine guns (for NCOs).
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AFAIK, the only SMG produced and fielded by the Japanese during the war was the Type 100 (which appears to
be what is depicted on the model), but common was it for officers and troops to be issued with them?
I think in virtually every depiction of IJA troops in movies and such, they have only Arisaka rifles or pistols for
small arms.
Not really familiar with Japanese military history, but I'm curious.
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>>35798709
the japs didn't really believe in the submachinegun; they were absurdly rare; only around 25,000 were made
through the ENTIRE WAR. IIRC jap high command thought that a SMG was a 'gangster weapon' that did nothing
a LMG could not do, military-wise. aside from the type 100, IIRC a couple hundred copies of the MP-18 were
purchased before the war, and probably some units used captured SMGs in china on a reasonably large scale,
as F/A mausers and MP-18 knockoffs were fairly popular there
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>>35799980
How interesting. So I suppose the vast majority of ncos should be armed with just a rifle. Officers probably just a
pistol (and sword)?
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>>35800679
officers would probably be rifle, pistol, sword. NCOs would just have rifles, maybe once in a while they'd carry the
LMG, but the IJA was a 99% rifle outfit
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>>35794109
Anyone?
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>>35794109
>>35802233
I think a lot of ancients systems have rules for that. Curteys Miniatures makes a few good Han Chinese and
Warring States (which would be a little earlier but whatever) lines. They're 28mm I think, though.
Warhammer Ancient Battles would handle that, I'm sure. Check the "Ancient" folder.
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>>35802424
Thanks man
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>>35802592
No problem. A lot of stores that have historical wargming scenes also have ancient/classical groups. If you're
lucky enough to have one of those, ask them what they use.
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Quoted By: >>35806045 >>35808938 >>35808956
>>35792063
Muskets & Tomahawks? I've only skimmed it and have never seen it played. Could you fill us in a little more?
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>>35794109
>Is there any rules system for romance of the three kingdoms era games?
Field of Glory's Empires of the Dragon is NOT the one to use, unless you like the idea of all Asian infantry
through history being lightly equipped and ineffective at melee.
However there's a rules set called Art of War which has a unique approach to army list design. Troops aren't just
drilled/undrilled, they have specific Tactics which allow them to perform specific maneuvers.
Example of relevant army list:
>Chinese Interregnum
220 A. D. to 590 A. D.
>Up to 80% cavalry:
up to 70% unarmored cavalry; bow 3, lance and sword.
Morale: 00-59=D, 60-99=C
>up to 50% light cavalry; bow 3, lance and sword;
morale as above
>up to 30% medium cavalry; bow 3, lance and sword
Morale: 00-39=D, 40-89=C, 90-99=B
>up to 20% heavy cavalry; lance and sword; morale
as above
>up to 10% cataphract cavalry; lance and sword. Morale:
00-29=D, 30-59=C, 60-89=B, 90-99=A
>Up to 60% infantry:
>up to 50% unarmored infantry; crossbow 2 and sword;
or, repeat ing crossbow 1 and sword. Morale:
00-79=D, 80-99=C
>up to 30% light infantry; crossbow 2 and sword.
Morale: 00-49=D, 50-99=C
>up to 25% medium infantry; spear and sword. Morale:
00-49=D, 50-89=C, 90-99=B
>Organization:
Infantry: 20mm by 20mm bases; uni ts of 8-10 bases;
no mixed units.
Cavalry: 25mm by 40mm bases; units of 10 or more
bases for heavy an d cataphract; h orsearchers in unit s of
20 bases.
>Tactics:
Infantry: open and close order, column, shieldwall,
square, pivot, wheel, open and close order missile fire,
screened missile fire, phalanx (+25% versus cavalry).
>Cavalry: open and close order, column wheel, pivot,
half charge (horsearchers), charge (heavy and
cataphract), open and close order missile fire, withdraw
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post combat, feigned rout.

>Special: infantry repeating crossbow shoots 3
rounds per turn for a maximum of two turns, then is out
of ammunition and becomes normal non-missile infantry;
shoots on crossbow 1 table.
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>>35804740
Well, I don't know, I haven't played it yet, but it's a skirmish game set in North America, I think there is rules for
both the 7YW and the AWI. French vs. British vs. Indians.
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>>35792518
The pixie wings on the farthest rifleman really make this image (as do the separately based ducks/geese). Real
African bush militia fashion.
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>>35806253
There's no denying, those lads got style
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>>35807278
LOL!
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http://www.mediafire.com/download/3ew44ai7nc08e0u/Osprey+-+MAA+372++Colonial+American+Troops+1610-1774+%282%29.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/u8t01phkj4hvulr/Osprey+-+MAA+428++Indian+Tribes+Of+The+New+England+Frontier.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/u8vkiv5tou9lw0q/Osprey+-+MAA+467++North+American+Indian+Tribes+of+the+Great+Lakes.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/yc6z628888fs5s1/Osprey+-+WAR+019++British+Redcoat+%281%29+1749-1793.pdf
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http://www.mediafire.com/download/5e5e5cg3imvaiut/Osprey+-+WAR+126++Highlander+in+the+French+Indian+War.pdf
The French Army of the era gets a whole five volumes:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/z1qrgz9gzi1wlep/Osprey+-+MAA+296++Louis+XV%27s+Army+%281%29+Heavy+Cavalry+%26+Dragoons.pdf
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http://www.mediafire.com/download/e4rr8o3gg1mpc9m/Osprey+-+MAA+302++Louis+XV%27s+Army+%282%29+French+Infantry.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o6je11dh0p82j6v/Osprey+-+MAA+304++Louis+XV%27s+Army+%283%29+Foreign+Infantry.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/5pkvn34b4u6g2u0/Osprey+-+MAA+308++Louis+XV%27s+Army+%284%29+Light+Troops+and+Specialists.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/wij5mloyxd0d5sc/Osprey+-+MAA+313++Louis+XV%27s+Army+%285%29+Colonial+and+Naval-Troops.pdf
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>>35804740
>Muskets & Tomahawks? I've only skimmed it and have never seen it played. Could you fill
us in a little more?
It's probably one of the most downloaded pdfs we have. That must say something for the system.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/dkkoj6d37pyfuoa/Muskets+and+Tomahawks.pdf
The frontier warfare in colonial America is perfect for skirmish warfare, with Indian warriors and Anglo/French
riflemen battling it out hand-to-hand in rugged country. But there's also some classical European-style warfare
too, with plently of sieges and a lot of fighting over log forts. Many interesting painting opportunies too with the
variety of uniforms and colorful Indian designs. There's really something vital and visceral about the era - all that
scalping!
http://www.mediafire.com/download/5uvadqxstshzeyo/Osprey+-+CAM+121++Quebec+1759.pdfhttp://www.mediafire.com/download/3317z42euhrb7vm/Osprey+-+CAM+140++Monongahela+1754-55.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/gst8vzz6cmqtzom/Osprey+-+MAA+285+-+King+George%27s+Army+174093+%281%29.pdf
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>>35804740
>Muskets & Tomahawks? I've only skimmed it and have never seen it played. Could you fill
us in a little more?
It's probably one of the most downloaded pdfs we have. That must say something for the system.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/dkkoj6d37pyfuoa/Muskets+and+Tomahawks.pdf
The frontier warfare in colonial America is perfect for skirmish warfare, with Indian warriors and Anglo/French
riflemen battling it out hand-to-hand in rugged country. But there's also some classical European-style warfare
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too, with plently of sieges and a lot of fighting over log forts. Many interesting painting opportunies too with the
variety of uniforms and colorful Indian designs. There's really something vital and visceral about the era - all that
scalping!
http://www.mediafire.com/download/5uvadqxstshzeyo/Osprey+-+CAM+121+-+Quebec+1759.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3317z42euhrb7vm/Osprey+-+CAM+140+-+Monongahela+1754-55.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/gst8vzz6cmqtzom/Osprey+-+MAA+285+-+King+George%27s+Army+174093+%281%29.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3ew44ai7nc08e0u/Osprey+-+MAA+372+-+Colonial+American+Troops+16101774+%282%29.pdf
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>>35808956
There's also Habitants & Highlanders, a strategic-scale treatment of the same period.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/jsawvk1vrou2b8c/Habitants+%26+Highlanders.pdf
The French Army of the era gets a whole five volumes:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/z1qrgz9gzi1wlep/Osprey+-+MAA+296++Louis+XV%27s+Army+%281%29+Heavy+Cavalry+%26+Dragoons.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/e4rr8o3gg1mpc9m/Osprey+-+MAA+302++Louis+XV%27s+Army+%282%29+French+Infantry.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o6je11dh0p82j6v/Osprey+-+MAA+304++Louis+XV%27s+Army+%283%29+Foreign+Infantry.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/5pkvn34b4u6g2u0/Osprey+-+MAA+308++Louis+XV%27s+Army+%284%29+Light+Troops+and+Specialists.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/wij5mloyxd0d5sc/Osprey+-+MAA+313++Louis+XV%27s+Army+%285%29+Colonial+and+Naval-Troops.pdf
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>>35808965
Thanks for the links and info. The period gets more interesting the more I read bout it.
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>>35790674
It does allow you to see further, but it also allows the enemy to see you further away, and radar
lets you see further anyway.
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Quoted By: >>35809396 >>35809424 >>35809447 >>35809549 >>35809606
>>35788957
>tfw the only historic wargame you can "play" is Axis and Allies because you're a poorfag with
no artistic abilitiy.
>tfw you have to borrow miniatures
>tfw you love history
>tfw
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>>35809387
Maybe the people you borrow minis from would be willing to teach you how to paint?
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>>35809387
Lots of great tutorials online. You can do well without any artistic abilities. Just try dipping.
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>>35809387
http://juniorgeneral.org/
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>>35809387
You don't NEED figs to play.
Don't get me wrong, figs are beautiful. Great figs and great terrain turn can turn a table top into a jaw dropping
work of art, just look at some of the incredible pics posted in these threads, but you don't need either to actually
play.
Every rules set has basing dimensions listed. You simply cut out cardboard rectangles to those dimensions, ink
them with the necessary information, and play the game. You need terrain? Use pieces of felt. Yeah, it's ugly but
you're at least playing.
It lets you test drive rules & armies before buying figs too. My group plays a lot of DBM and I used cardboard to
"test drive" various armies before choosing which ones to buy & paint.
You don't NEED figs to play. We play hard, we play as well as we can, and we play for fun. A lack of figs doesn't
prevent any of that.
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>>35809387
1:72 and 6mm are cheap as fuck
So are chits
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>>35809606
10mm arent expensive either
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Quoted By: >>35809665 >>35809669
So, thanks to whoever put all the army books for Bolt Action into the mediafire repository.
On that note, Bolt Action Italians: Are they any good? I've been skimming their rules, and actually they seem like
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they can be very good, although it is more scenario dependant than other factions.
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>>35809648
>On that note, Bolt Action Italians: Are they any good?
Rommel repeatedly stated the only thing wrong with Italian troops were their officers. It sounds as if the Bolt
Action authors paid heed to that opinion.
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>>35809648
>So, thanks to whoever put all the army books for Bolt Action into the mediafire repository.
Some kind anon sourced them for us.
>>35809648
>On that note, Bolt Action Italians: Are they any good? I've been skimming their rules, and actually they seem
like they can be very good, although it is more scenario dependant than other factions.
Depends a lot on the units. The Blackshirt rule about their variable quality means they can be alternately
awesome or terrible. The San Marcos marines are a superb choice though. But on average I think they stand a
good chance, certainly compared to the other minor Axis nations.
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>>35795508
Let's take a moment to reflect on three things that would have really sucked about being a soldier in the Age of
Enlightenment and into the Napoleonic era
>Powdered & Queued Hair
In order to achieve the maximum visual effect, every soldier had his hair powdered white with lead, and had a long
ponytail pulled back tight in a painful knot. It was often weightened with musketballs to create a pleasing straight
line. To keep it solid it was soaked in flour paste - meaning troopers sometimes woke up to find it had frozen
solid like an iron bar down their neck, or discovered rats chewing on it.
>Stocks
These were leather straps worn around the neck to keep the head upright, then wrapped in a silk scarf. It would
leave vicious red welts along the neck, which became a convienent way of indentifying deserters. It severely
restricted mobility of the head, but could not be removed without explicit orders. These were deeply hated things,
and the scene in Sharpe were he gets some recruits to remove theirs and use them for target practice had reallife parallels.
>Backpacks
The packs of the era - with the exceptional of the well-made French ones - were ordeals to wear. Fitted with an xshape strap pattern that constricted the chest, they also dug into shoulderblades and the lower back, and
caused deep lumbar pain over time. Worst of all, they couldn't hold much anyway.
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>>35809669
>>35809665
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So which of Warlords 500pt starter armies are more "worth it" The standard army, or the Bersaligeri?
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>>35809882
The Bersaligeri. They're better overall. Also, they got fancy hats, which as /hwg/ knows are
essential to the wargaming experience.
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>>35809786
yeah but, you looked dapper as fuck.
I agree life would have sucked, but hey, life as a poor person generally sucked then.
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>>35809882
always pick the hats.
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>>35809786
So basically band of hobos with muskets would be a fucking four horsemen of apocalypse because they could at
least walk straight without inhuman pain?
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>>35809938
And now you know how the US won the revolutionary war.
Yes yes I'm joking.
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>>35809919
The amazing thing is how these guys were able to deal with this misery - on top of terrible food, brutal discipline,
crappy pay, and exposure to all weathers - and still fight on with determination. I think it's worth noting how
Wellington's army in in the Peninsula suffered terribly but fought brilliantly, while the more liberal French forces
were consistently beaten. You can't argue with results.
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>>35809979
Im currently doing a 10mm french peninsular army vaguely planned to be based around the OOB at Talavera, and
in fairness the French troops were largely conscripts or other raw troops in spain, especially towards the end of
the Peninsula campaign.
The ability of any troops to stand in the face of musket and cannon and horse and steel impresses me, no matter
how they were treated.
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>>35809979
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I think you might be mistaken effect for a cause. They were just way better trained and disciplined. Powdered
wigs and uncomfortable gear was simply something they needed deal with. It's like saying that color of their
clothes had a specific effect on their fighting. They would do way better without those stupid restrictions made
just to look nice on parades. There is a reason no one wears that crap anymore.
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>>35810026
>the French troops were largely conscripts or other raw troops in spain, especially towards
the end of the Peninsula campaign.
They had two things their pressganged colleagues in the British didn't - they could be promoted on merit rather
than social class, and they weren't flogged.
>>35810033
>They were just way better trained and disciplined
This is true.
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>>35810033
I dont think he is talking about wigs and all that, by this point that isnt a thing, just the idea of stick and carrot in
military training of the period.
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Quoted By: >>35810162 >>35810174 >>35810469
>>35810056
no amount of meritorcatic promotions will remove the issue of;
'A young French conscript, Phillipe Gille, provides a detailed account of the inadequate manner in which French
soldiers were rushed to the front. Mobilized in France in 1808, Gille apparently did not even receive his musket
until arriving at the Spanish border. There he joined a provisional unit composed of fellow conscripts, crossed the
border, and soon engaged in combats'
'For the decisive years 1808 to 1812, French annual conscript calls ranged from 181,000 to 217,000.'
troops without training will not stand before the British veterans of the Peninsula.
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>>35810104
That is some early WWII Red Army shit right there. Brits could all been ritually blinded on one eye to look
fashionably asymmetrical and still win.
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>>35810104
Jeez imagine being a French conscript in Spain during those years. If you were lucky
enough to escape British bullets, starvation, disease and the cold, you'd probably wind up
falling into the hands of the Guerrillas, who would proceed to do very horrible things to you.
The real rock-bottom of course were the so-called "Marie-Louises" of 1813. Those kids were nothing but cannon
fodder, they didn't even waste time training them before throwing them at the enemy.
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>>35810174
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yeah, it got worse when the peninsula front became a very 'seconadary' front and had to send troops back for
garrison duty/to reinforce the 'more important' eastern divisions.
The result of this is permanantly understrength divisions of inexperianced troops constantly prodded by some of
the most effective guerrilla fighters there have ever been and then forced to fight an army of British regulars which
had for the most part been hardened by years of combat.
I think I'd rather be flogged by a british commander than be a french trooper in the peninsula.
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>>35810206
>I think I'd rather be flogged by a british commander than be a french trooper in the peninsula.
There's a story that Napoleon once gave a beautiful pelisse to his gorgeous but wanton sister
Pauline, of whom he was extremely protective in a Corsican clannish way. Some time later he
saw the very same pelisse being worn by a handsome young hussar officer on his staff. Boney immediately
realized he must be sleeping with Pauline, or at least getting cozy with her. Right there, on the spot, he ordered
the unfortunate to deliver a dispatch to Massena in Spain. He was last seen a week after crossing the Pyrenees
and disappeared in the heart of guerrilla country. Even the Emperor knew a trip to Spain was a death sentence.
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>>35810258
>Napoleon is a dick to people
>spain's guerrillas are formidable
Why do commanders still allow petty grievances to weaken their command structure?
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Quoted By: >>35810483 >>35810527
>>35810104
And they could still beat the Spanish forces. Now imagine those buggers.
I'm building a Peninsular French army ATM, and would like to hear how you'd do it - 4 infantry units (2 line, 1
voltigeur, 1 grenadier), 2 cavalry (1 dragoon, 1 hussars) and 2 cannons are completed, but I wonder what to do
next. Not decided on the ruleset so far, but it'll most probably be Rank&File, or Black Powder. Also, how would
you make a difference between the Marie-Louises and the veterans of the French army?
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>>35810469
>Also, how would you make a difference between the Marie-Louises and the veterans of the French
army?
The former were usually barefoot or in clogs, uniformly wore greatcoats because they didn't have much of
a uniform, and were generally smaller in stature than the regulars.
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>>35810483
>generally smaller in stature than the regulars.
So they were a unit of manlets?
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>>35810512
Underfed boys aged 13-16 who hadn't had a decent meal in their entire life.
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Quoted By: >>35810583 >>35810746
>>35810469
Well I'm building it around LaSalle at the moment, I like the rules, but I have no opponent so it will be nothing until
I paint the opposing army to play against.
My army at the moment is just 1 infantry, 1 voltiguer ('elite light infantry' in lasalle's rules) and half a unit of
dragoons.
the plan is to have a core army (2 veteran infantry, 5 conscript infantry, 1 medium artillery and 1 dragoon) + 1
attached elite infantry battalion (1 elite light inf, 2 elite inf and 1 heavy artillery) and then make a peninsula or
spanish army to play against, hell It could reach the point I dont even want to play lasalle rules or i find a group of
people playing other rules.
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>>35810527
sorry that should be 4 consript infantry, not 5 and the elite infantry dont get cannon with them.
>tfw cant remember own planned army
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>>35810174
I saw an exhibition with many of Goya's war prints once. Pretty powerful stuff. They're very intense and energetic,
that add to the impact. Very small too, with the size that blows up to on my laptop screen being quite larger than
the real thing. In a large high ceilinged gallery space they're little boxes on the walls and you have to go up and
peer at them. All in all, they are peculiarly confronting.
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>>35810527
I checked LaSalle's army lists too, and my existing forces would fit into them neatly. I have enough Hussars to
make a second unit, and get two boxes of HaT Mounted Chasseurs to have the light cavalry option available. I
have shitloads of Cuirassiers, who much to my delight did not fight in the Peninsula, only a sole regiment, the
13th. Good thing is, I can paint them in different colours to represent the single Spanish Cuirassier regiment,
equipped with stolen French stuff.
>>35810483
Sadly in 1:72 I can't really do the height thing, but all of them having greatcoats with patches, possibly some of
them painted barefoot is a good ide, thanks anon.
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>>35810726
In 1993, a couple of artists called the Chapman Brothers made a whole set of 1:35 scale
models of the Disasters of War, as well as a couple of life size ones.
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>>35810785
I saw one of their concentration camp pieces at the same exhibition as I saw the Goya prints.
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>>35810839
I really like that sort of thing, subverting the whole medium of miniatures. The guy who did those awesome photos
of English uniforms through the ages also did a series on ruined Airfix buildings, and I've seen some stuff by a
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guy who does spectacular 1:72 models of really mundane things like an electrical
substation or a stretch of empty road. I remember thinking "this is the best fucking terrain
I've ever seen".
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>>35810890
>I really like that sort of thing, subverting the whole medium of miniatures.
I do too, I'm a big consumer of art in general. Looking forward to spending a day here after exams are finished;
http://www.mona.net.au/what's-on/exhibitions/
I just wish that the Matthew Barney exhibition was opening sooner.
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Quoted By: >>35811273 >>35811281
>>35788957
>Playing big WW2 game with friends.
>Not in a good position, Axis kicking our asses.
>Due to scheduling problems, won't be able to play for 3 weeks.
>Sitting here, stewing in the weak position
>Going nuts because I can't really think of anything good, and I can't have a lucky break as I sit here projecting.
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>>35811251
Tell us, we can mayhaps help
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Quoted By: >>35811313 >>35811441 >>35811581
>>35811251
post situation?
Also, something ive been thinking for a while, is anyone here interested in playing an online game of diplomacy? I
recon /historicals/ would have a right laugh playing diplomacy together
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>>35811281
I'm good for next week.
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>>35810785
saw that and thought casualty markers at first
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>>35811281
Sounds quite cool, although I've never played the game before.
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>>35811441
its very simple to learn, its all about (obviously...) diplomacy rather than luck or game mechanics. Could easily
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have 24 hour turns (depending on how active people could garuantee being)
Id love to have regular diplomacy games with you guys, plus the ability to battle report in these threads would
make it like I actually ever played historical wargames any more...
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Quoted By: >>35825045
Just checked my emails, CoS and CinC hs submitted the strategic moves for the first day of the Prussia 1806
campaign. We've decided for a fairly aggressive first turn, concentration of forces to hopefully catch a French
Corps or two coming out of the mountains.
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Quoted By: >>35811630 >>35811891
>>35811273
Honestly, it's just that the guy playing Germany is the best player at the table, and the person playing Italy and
Japan (his gf) is probably the second best. I don't mind it, much, but they've been outmaneuvering the allies.
>>35811281
We're just about winding down 1940. Germany has gobbled up Poland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium,
France, and Yugoslavia, with far less losses than are "historic" by game standards. He's also fully aligned
Rumania, pissing off Hungary and Bulgaria slightly, but not enough that he can't align them both after he attacks
the Soviets, which he's gearing up to do.
And he's got a FUCKHUGE army already on the way to Romania and the Polish border. Compared to what the
game considers the setup for a Barbarossa scenario, he's going to have 25% extra armor, 50% extra
mechanized infantry, and about 50% extra line infantry. (Albeit less specialists, motorized infantry, and artillery.
He doesn't seem to like artillery very much)
Italy, meanwhile, has gobbled up Malta, Egypt, and Cyprus, and I can bet that we're going to see the Italians
laying down a carrier or two. And Japan has grabbed Sian and Vladivostok and some of the outlying areas in
Russia.
And both of them have been really chewing on the British convoys, we've taken a lot of damage already, and
that's before the Italians get a nice summer where they can base submarines out of the French ports. (Germany
has not built a single submarine all game. He has, however, been giving a lot of money to Italy to build subs.
Italian subs are weaker, but due to some of the command control rules, it's easier for Italy to make naval moves)
About the only thing we have going for us right now is that the U.S. is way more hostile to the Axis than again is
"standard", very lucky chit draws. But the second it stops being muddy in the East, Adam's going to go on a
roaring rampage in Russia, and I honestly don't think the Soviets can hold him off.
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>>35811581
Is this the boardgame with the guy that's been playing since he was a kid? The scary picture of Germany's chits
before Fall Gelb?
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>>35811630
Yeah. Same guy. Same game. Fall Gelb has since come and gone though. France crumpled like a cheap tin
can.
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>As your spiritual leader, I implore you to pay heed to this good book and
what it has to saaaaaaay
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>>35811581
I don't know what game your playing, so all of the following are abstract to the point of near irrelevance and might
be completely impossible/useless.
Make nice with Finland, Turkey, communist/nationalist China (pick one), Ethiopia, Greece, the Vatican, Spain,
Ireland, Switzerland and (of course) America.
Try running small, fast, cheap and unprotected convoys across multiple routes at the same time. Italian
submarines can't be everywhere at once.
How are the French and British colonies doing? Are the French colonies Allied or Vichy? Is British Mandatory
Palestine still under allied control?
Who has air superiority and where? If you can, bomb the living daylights out of the Italian military-industrial
complex.
If Germany has a HUEG army and Italy has a HUEG navy that means they need HUEG amounts of resources to
power them. If you can't fight the beast, starve it instead.
Build a token invasion force in the British Isles. Force Germany to waste troops defending the entire western
coast of Europe.
Pray for bad weather.
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>>35810056
British Army didn't recruit by pressganging during the Napoleonic Wars though while France had to develop a
huge fucking police state to ensure conscription succeeded.
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Alright Lads,
Just to see if this takes off I've hosted a game on http://www.playdiplomacy.com/
please feel free to join up, I have it set to anonymous random countries
game number : 91772
game name : /tg/ Historical Wargames
password : /tg/
accounts are free and turns only process every 24 hours (or sooner if everyone confirms their moves before then)
Quick Description:
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Turn based Diplomacy game, use Units to conquer Areas of 1901 Europe. The game is not a millitary simulation,
but a Diplomatic Simulation. Very simple rules, the fun lies with interacting with each other, make promises,
break them, deceive everyone or ally up, but be careful not to be betrayed yourself.
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>>35812794
I realise I should have posted an image with this, so have the end game of a
previous game of mine
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>>35812794
How do I get to the game? Searching for it by number does nothing.
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>>35813100
if you go to join game, it should just be top of the list? is it not?
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>>35813130
the top of the list is 91771
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>>35813143
well thats very odd... might try rehosting I guess...
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>>35813100
Can't find it either, neither by searching by number nor by name.
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>>35813143
>>35813184
ok ive hosted a new one up, ive tried disabling one of the features that may have been an issue.
can you guys see
91773. /tg/ 2
password: /tg/
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>>35813184
Number 91773
Name /tg/ 2
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>>35813213
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Seen it, joined up.

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>>35813217
>>35813275
Cool guys,
you played before?
>plz not austria
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>>35813301
I haven't, so I'm currently watching the introduction videos on the site.
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>>35812647
true, but if you've ever seen a glass bottomed tankard, and thought it was pointless, well here's why they were
made: recruiting sergeants would buy a round in a pub and slip a shilling in each, when the man drank,
discovered and picked up the shilling, they had taken the 'Kings shilling' and were now in the army. not
conscription but close enough.
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>>35813327
After watching, the game doesn't seem that complicated, but the backstabbing does look like it's gonna provide
the really interesting stuff.
It seems we still need 3 more players for our game.
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>>35813620
yeah the rules are EXTREMELY simple, its designe that way so you feel like you are playing the people more
than you are struggling to play against 'the game'
i think its really fun
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>>35810304
>Why do commanders still allow petty grievances to weaken their command structure?
To be a man you must have honor; honor, and a penis.
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Why did you say penis three times?
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>Why did you say honor three times?
FTFY
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Anyone have the musket and tomahawk rules,also is it any good?

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>>35816901
Check the OP, it's in the Horse and Musket folder.
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I'd play a ww2 naval miniatures game. Do those exist?

Subs are mandatory
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>>35817171
>Do those exist?
Yes. There's quite a few.
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>>35817171
I know of Victory at Sea, although I've never played it.
I think it's in the WW2 folder.
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>>35812647
>British Army didn't recruit by pressganging during the Napoleonic Wars
A lot of "volunteers" were nothing of the sort, usually being criminals forced to choose between the army and the
gallows.
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>>35821181
Some good examples of this sort of thing in Sharpe : Hagman (a poacher) and Cooper (a
housebreaker) were put in that exact same position. Then there's Harris, a great example of
the 'ruined gentleman'. He normally would have had enough money and position to avoid
military service, but was ruined by drink and had no options but the Army. There were a lot of guys like that.
There's also the ritual with the King's Shilling as mentioned by >>35813479
which sucked in a lot of gullible young men.
Booze was a massive problem for Wellington. A lot of his soldiers would rather get drunk than do anything else,
and considering what they had to endure that's hardly surprising. He had to organize teams of an officer and
twenty men, all staunch teetotallers, to go into towns ahead of the Army and destroy all the booze they found. If
not, it WOULD be looted and it WOULD be drunk, rendering a chunk of his force utterly useless. The real
unlucky ones were the unfortunate Spanish taverners, who were presented with a worthless promissory note in
compensation for their destroyed stock.
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>>35817171
Plenty. Victory at Sea is probably the most popular (and the most modern).
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>>35821181
So in college (history major, natch) I took a historiography course (part of thesis) in which we spent like a week
going through the online Old Bailey archives and reading about the 18th/19th Century British judicial system.
There were a staggering number of offenses punishable by death, and the courts sentenced most offenders who
were guilty of those offenses to hanging.
But only a tiny fraction of death sentences were actually carried out. Most of the time, the courts would commute
the sentence after the trial to some other punishment -- usually either transportation (AKA exile to Australia) or
joining the Army.
Press gangs were more for experienced seamen, in fact -- the Royal Navy didn't really need unskilled sailors
because they had plenty of recruits for that, and British Army didn't use conscription until World War 1.
The typical army soldier was usually seen as just a step above the criminal in British social hierarchy until the
Crimean War.
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>>35822917
>The typical army soldier was usually seen as just a step above the criminal in British
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social hierarchy until the Crimean War.

And this general distrust and malignant attitude continued, if in a somewhat diluted form, suppressed of course
during any major war though, well and good right up until fairly recently. What changed I think was a solid
'support the troops' movement in society that was widely supported by the government, with not many deaths but
a large amount of wounded coming back from occupations that the general population wasn't too happy about.
Even back in the '90s and living fairly near several military bases I remember a general 'eww' type attitude to
professional soldiers, yet since about 2006~ I've even seen off base but still in uniform, which used to be a rather
big no-no that'd direct a lot of harassment at the unfortunate soldier. Though nothing quite as bad as Americans
coming back from Vietnam got.
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>>35823542
Or Australians. Pretty disgusting considering that there was conscription in place. Seems strange for people to
have not separated a dislike of the war with the blokes on the bottom rung of decision-making.
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>>35823920
People happily label and attack entire groups based on their leaders or pretty much
anything. No different within their own population. Just look at all the sports related violence
for an easy example of how easily countrymen turn on each other (with a little goading though for the most part).
Governments learned though at least, Post-Vietnam I don't think the US (or it's allies) have gone into any major
conflict without a massive sustained effort to control the narrative so that shit doesn't get out of hand like it did.
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>>35822917
>The typical army soldier was usually seen as just a step above the criminal in British social
hierarchy until the Crimean War.
Waterloo helped improve their image, but they were never as popular as the Royal Navy. (Poor old
Royal Marines were usually looked down too). The Victorian era did indeed see a real increase in
positive attitudes thanks to colonial actions. Then Kipling comes along at the end any by WW1 it's seen as a
truly manly profession.
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>>35824057
>Just look at all the sports related violence for an easy example of how easily countrymen turn on each other
(with a little goading though for the most part).
Different in Australia. Some of the soccer fans go a bit boonta, but for most sports there's not just relatively little
off-field violence, there's next to none. For AFL and Rugby the punters behave like a cricket crowd.
In post Vietnam actions there has been a separation of policy and servicepeople, for example although there was
very big opposition to the invasion of Iraq (a little too young to remember the start of Afghanistan) there was no
grief given to soldiers. I imagine it was the same in the UK.
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>>35824235
In regards to Afghanistan it was pretty much unanimous backing. 9/11 pretty much sealed the deal, clear enemy
who owned up to it and a clear country they were operating from. Nobody was against fucking them up.
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>>35811505
I'm excited for you man
Can't wait to hear about this one
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>>35825045
You won't get news until Monday or Tuesday depending where you are. First game should be Tues night AEST
(conveniently after my exams are done), the cavalry out on one of the flanks is a bit worrying. Might see if that
can get changed.
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Newbie getting into SAGA here, wondering which miniatures range are best for representing
the "Pagan Rus" or the Franks.
>Pagan Rus pic attached.
Was gonna go with Vikings, but at least three other people at my club are doing that so decided to run with one
of these factions instead...
Any help is much appreciated, but bonus points if its available from Warlord Games!
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>>35825045
>>35825176
Ooh, hang on, I've got a report! Seems the first few turns with just contact between cav screens are just sorted by
the umpire.
I'll post it in a few hours, or maybe tomorrow afternoon. Busy with exams.
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>>35825610
Glad to hear it man
>>35825445
Have you checked out Gripping Beast?
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>>35789320
How can those missiles even track their targets at that range?
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Dat Kirishima.

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Quoted By: >>35826216 >>35826234 >>35826301 >>35828595
>>35788957
Just curious, because I was cleaning out the attic and saw it again, anyone here ever play Hornet Leader?
It's really neat, and I took a trek onto the website, and now they have a new thing of "Cthulhu version"
http://www.dvg.com/.sc/ms/dd/ee/61/Hornet%20Leader%20-%20Cthulhu%20Expansion
It looks incredibly dumb, but that precise right kind of dumb that would make an awesome game.
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>>35789320
>a strafing run of a helicopter on a frigate
Things that would never happen in the real world for 100
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>>35826152
I bought and played the ipad version of Phantom Leader. Was pretty okay.
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>The year is 2015 from the chill waters of the South Pacific, the long-fabled Island of
Rlyeh home to The Great Cthulhu rises from the depths. At long last, The Stars are Right,
and the time of reckoning is upon the world.
>Your carrier task force is in position to engage the hoards and overlords of the invasion as they spread across
the globe.
>You shall
>You shall
>You shall
>You shall
fight on the oceans.

fight at the portals.
fight in the skies over mankinds greatest cities.
never surrender!
>Hornet Leader - The Cthulhu Conflict is an expansion to Hornet Leader. You must own Hornet Leader to use this
expansion.
>Key Design Features:
>The inclusion of Insanity attacks against your pilots.
>Adds the following Aircraft:
>MQ-47B UCAV
>Adds the following Weapons:
>B83 Nuclear Bomb
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>>35826199
The show's whole concept is pretty retarded
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http://www.playdiplomacy.com/
3 people still needed to play a game of diplomacy with us guys
join /tg/ 2
password : /tg/
if you are interested
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>>35827562
How long are turns, when do you want to start?
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>>35824235
>behave like a cricket crowd
Thinking of England's cricket crowd, this isn't very much of a compliment
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>>35826152
There's a really nice Vassal Module for 1st edition Thunder-Bolt Apache Leader. I've had a lot of fun in that
hammerring the Iraqi's in the Gulf War and then getting completely monstered by efficient and well organised
Russian Brigades when WW3 broke out.
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Ok, now on the left isn't quite the final map, so if you follow this into the future the back half will
have changed a bit. I'll fuss around with the updated map maybe tomorrow evening. The relevant
areas to what is happening at the moment are unchanged.
The numbers correspond with divisions. C is a cavalry detachment from the division. Campaign
pack was posted in the previous thread. If it's too much bother, the avant-garde is heavy in cavalry, division 6, 7
are strong, overstrength, with heavy artillery batteries and our heavy cavalry brigades attached. The reserves are
the same strength as divs 6 & 7 on paper, but I'm unsure of the cavalry.
Divisions 8 & 9 are the Saxon divisions, understrength in terms of infantry (and poor infantry at that) compared to
divs 1-5, same cav and artillery.
S are spies. They each get a single report off before they go to ground.
Basically, at the end of turn day one we have a heavy concentration of forces on the right in the Neustadt
Schlieux area, with the avant-garde and Divs 1& 2 on the left trailing back from Erfurt. Cavalry screens have been
thrown up on many of the roads to the south.
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>>35828719
The report at the end of day 1:
No battle, all major moves went as ordered except for the reserve
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1) reserve was outside the 10 hex from HQ limit, but will move on day 2 towards Halle. Its not resting on day one,
you cant rest off map.
2) working from west to east. As your Erfurt div arrived at Rudolstadt it was seen by a large body of French lt cav
which showed up in 0611 via Saalfeld.
3) at Saalburg your massed lt cav held off their smaller lt force until a large body of enemy inf arrived from 0913.
Your cav and their cav are now looking at each other in 0911. Yours is the bigger force so he cant see whats
behind you in 0910 or 0810.
4) At Hof same story, your cav retired to 1011 when large enemy inf force showed up from Munchberg. From
0911 and 1011 your superior cav can see that the two masses of frog inf halted for the day in Saalburg and Hof.
There are
the normal French lt cav scouting adjacent to their corps now in 1111.
No spy reports-they may be delayed or there is nothing to report. No reports
from your border guards- yours at Coburg, Kronach and 1114 reported yesterdays crossings, but were then
captured.
If I've missed something tell me. You might be able to learn more about some detail which is important to you.
Ask.
Forgot one thing- your hussars at Saalfeld were driven off into 0711, where
they end the day.
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>>35828719
>>35828746
The pieces move into place
Honestly I am pumped for this, it feels like I'm receiving the news first-hand in 1806
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>>35829277
Here's some conjecture and planning Jim did for Day 2 (due Friday).
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>>35829439
I'm a bit worried for division 3. It's alone and far from reinforcements if the troops in Neustadt see action elsewhere
or if the Corps in Saalfeld passes through 0711.
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Fuck, this campaign is fun. Even just the strategic debates over email is great.
If any of you guys need a campaign umpire, I'd be happy to run something like this for you over email like our
ump is.
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Quoted By: >>35830129 >>35845220
>>35795649
I just google searched this image to find out what war was fought with both black powder infantry and elephants.
It's one of the Carnatic Wars, right? I really want to play this now but no-one seems to make any miniatures for it.
Just the idea of charging elephants at a line of muskets seems super awesome.
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>>35829904
could you tell me more about how this works, I am very new to wargaming I am going to fight my first corps on
corps 6mm battle soonish but this is hella interresting, how do you resolve the battles and what rulesystem are
you using?
Also what's an umpire
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>>35823542
>Changed recently
Hahahaha, no, it hasn't. We've been given a boost because of ops in Afghan but for the most part, it's shit as
always.
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>>35828175
All I've ever seen all the times I've watched cricket has been cheering and clapping.
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>>35829962
http://mutineer-miniatures.org.uk/index.php?route=common/home
Ta daa!
>>35830008
So some styles of game or campaign you can't really do without an umpire. If you do have one it lets you do all
sorts of cool stuff to represent the lack of strategic information you have about the other side.
So, we've just had the first turn. Before the campaign the umpire has given us our deployments and a pack for
each side. We've submitted orders to him, he decides what happens based on what either side moves where. All
that's happened is that light cavalry screens have chased each other off, or been forced to retreat by advancing
infantry. No combat's happened really, just scouting.
If any forces of significance contact each other in a turn, we'll wait until one of the club days to fight a battle on
the tabletop. We've been playing a lot of 28mm, but the bloke whose house we play at has something like a
6'x14' table, which in 6mm (we are using 6 and 15 mm for the campaign) works out to be the width of two of
those hexes, which I think is great, but probably isn't too relevant to your question.
The system is the cub's modified Hail Caesar rules.
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Hi I was thinking of getting into historical wargaming. Are there any good 15th Century - 16th Century wargame
rules? Particularly one with rules for the Hungarian Black Army?
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>>35830008
>>35830129
Here's the Prussian pack if you want to have a look.
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>>35830129
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Would Indian Mutiny minis work that far back? Closest I've seen though, although I'm really not a big fan of 28mm
minis.
>>35830169
Any idea where this came from? This seems like an awesome system.
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>>35830160
anyone?
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>>35830160
>Are there any good 15th Century - 16th Century wargame rules?
Have a look at Pike and Shotte, and check out the Horse and Musket folder
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>>35830306
>Any idea where this came from? This seems like an awesome system.
I've asked the umpire because I'm interested myself. The core orders: A (attack) or D (defensive). Here's what he
replied to a question of mine with:
>To keep it simple I only have D and A orders, but these two categories indicate more than that. D is slower,
more cautious, defensive minded, and A is aggressive, well prepared for sudden moves.
I love how elegant that is. You give units a stance, and then order them to do specifics.
Maybe
>I only have
>I
suggests it is his own?
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>>35830306
Oh, sorry. I just suggested them because they had cool miniatures and elephants.
Not sure what else there is but there tends to be a broad variety of 15mm stuff. I can see the appeal in wars on
the subcontinent, so I'd be surprised if there wasn't something out there.
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>>35830325
Crusader, Field of Glory, even WAB can pass.
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>...a good PDF of Maximilian I's Der Weisskunig

>>>/hr/2263135
Looks like a pretty good thread.
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>>35830394
It does sound like he made it, which if true is very impressive. Seems like the system could easily be adapted
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with what I have here, I was just hoping there were core rules or some other campaigns available. It would be a
very fun use of my 6mm Franco Prussian project when that's finished.
>>35830416
They are very nice minis and that elephant is awesome. I would assume it's the kind of thing that would exist in
15mm but I couldn't find anything with a quick google search. That's a project for another day anyway.
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>>35830691
I'll grab the campaign system as soon as possible if he's got it written down. There was an ACW campaign he
ran last year, not sure what part, it was before my time at this club.
I'll upload the French campaign pack when it's all wrapped up. It might spoil things if you look at both sides. I'm
free for much of the next few months, I could umpire this by email much the same way our ump does.
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>>35830690
Nice catch.
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>>35831698
Got some more pics anon? Naval is my cup of tea as far as historicals go.
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Check out this map I've been working on to play some stuff online with a friend. Scale in
this image is 2 px. to a yard, total area's about 1 square mile.
I'll be Germans attacking from the bottom of the map towards his Russians defending the
village.
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>>35832527
are you going to shade the different height levels slightly? (darker for lower, lighter for
higher)? Cos that'd be sweet.
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I've been being tempted to try and use this as a basis of a map. Came across it whilst looking up directions and
my brain told me that it might make quite a good board as long as there's plenty of fording bits on the river.
If not it's quite a nice style-guide I think.
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>>35832812
Yeah, I would have ripped off some aerial photos if there had been any in southern Russia that suited my needs.
As it was I just studied stuff from around Stalingrad and threw it together.
It still needs little touches like softening the edges of the fields, and adding stuff like fences and shadows in the
village.
Shading for height might be a good experiment. I was thinking of just labelling the contours.
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>>35828112
I have it set to
Orders every 24 hours
Retreat every 12 hours
Build every 24 hours
And it will start when 7 people join and confirm participations basically...
I did expect a better uptake from historical wargames tbh, seems right up your guys streets
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http://www.avalanchepress.com/War_of_the_Worlds.php
>Chapter 17 [of War of the Worlds] contains one of science fiction's most memorable scenes, the Royal Navy's
attempt to protect fleeing civilians from the attacking Martians. The narrator relates a scene described to him by
his brother. Channel ferries, fishing boats and passenger liners Dutch, French, Swedish and German as well
as English are crowding the Essex coast around Harwich to take off refugees. The Channel Fleet, so far
helpless to intervene against the unstoppable Martians, lies offshore as distant cover.
>As the narrator's brother and two women he encountered along the road board a steamer for Ostend despite
one woman's objections that the French and the Martians are equally repulsive three Martian war machines
appear and wade into the surf to intercept the refugees. The closest warship, the torpedo ram Thunder Child,
slashes past at high speed to engage the enemy. Having moved as deep as possible into the sea, the war
machines are now close the surface with most of their legs under water. Purposely keeping her guns silent until
the last minute, the ram cuts down one war machine before the Martians fully recognize the threat she
represents and turn their heat rays on her. The burning ship continues her attack run, reaching another machine
just as she explodes, taking the Martians down with her.
>Given H.G. Wells' inspirational career as wargame designer, journalist, historian and rouser of rabble, who quit
his boring teaching position to follow these pursuits, it's long past time we honored his work with a Daily Content
variant. Polyphemus doesn't appear in any of our Great War at Sea games, as she left the Royal Navy's active
list well before any game situation involving British forces. But we're not limited by such conventions, and today
we introduce the Martians and the Earth's defenders.
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>>35833163
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-S15IDcQgE
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>>35833139
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>>35833319
No but it is a game of strategy, planning and most of the other things that are in a wargame. It even has battles.
All it is missing is dice and large scale simulated death.
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>>35830008
>Also what's an umpire
Same thing as a Referee, someone whose job is to refer to the rules and make judgement calls on how they
apply to the current situation. For "double-blind" (neither side has full intel on the enemy) games, the Umpire also
figures out the outcome of moves based on the orders the players send him.
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>>35835986
they look really nice
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>>35835986
>Battle of the Coke Bottling Plant
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>>35836248
Agreed. Thats what I like about 28mm. A large number of models will
look simply stunning.
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>>35836295
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>>35835986
>>35836295
>>35836394
It's beautiful. I hate to think about how much money and time spent painting went into this, however...
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>>35836295
Im a small scales person mostly, but I can appreciate a nice 28mm model/force
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>>35809786
Also, veterans developed a condition known as "Pack Palsy", The packs were shit tier at weight distribution, and
the shoulder straps dug into your shoulders that much you started to lose all feeling in your fingers, then hands,
then arms, permanently.
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>>35810033
>It's like saying that color of their clothes had a specific effect on their fighting
Actually there's reason to believe red or black uniforms does make people more aggressive
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>>35836947
Red one goes fasta, blue makes you lucky.
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WHAT'S IN THE BOX?!?!?!?!?

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Quoted By: >>35838825 >>35842135
So I've been reading about the Battle of Britain a tonne lately, and I was wondering if there was a wargame that
represented air warfare in the second world war.
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>>35838640
3 kilos of gunpowder and assorted shot?
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>>35838693
LET'S SEE WHAT'S IN THE BOX!
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>>35838643
I've played a pair of games of Sturmovik Commander, a free wargame by Assault Publishing.
They were all 2v2, using 1/144 scale models. One of them used the full rules (with preplanned
movement and ammo tracking) while the other used the attached simplified version, which I wrote
myself.
It's not that complicated for an air combat game which actually includes height and speed, and the army lists are
very complete.
I'd recommend it and actually want to play some more myself.
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>>35838825
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Also, two sample forces (without the ammo numbers for each gun, since this was for the
simplified game).
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>>35838803
awww yeah, time for tonks. 3 BT 7's, 2 T 26's, and 2 BA-6's.
But wait! There's more!
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>>35836563
Yeah, this right here. Thankfully massed 6mm/10mm still looks pretty sweet IMO and is cheaper and faster to
paint!
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>>35838936
Decals and Finns and Slavs oh my!
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>>35838825
>>35838923
Looks interesting! How does it scale up? I was envisaging a few more planes either side.
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>>35838825
For a second I thought this was gonna be a n offbrand WW2 version of Dan Verssen
Games's Squadron Leader series and got a bit excited.
Still looks interesting though.
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>>35839010
The games I've played did feel pretty small. The game is designed for bigger games, like 4-8 aircraft.
I do want to try bigger games, but I'll need a few additional models (and bases) for that. Plus a willing opponent.
I suspect things would get slightly more complicated in terms of administration with bigger games, but having
each player control 2-4 aircraft and playing in teams would probably work quite well.
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>>35838967
and of course, the secret gift is a German figure. I think he's supposed to
be Rommel, not sure
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>>35839065
I could see it being a lot of fun with a couple of people a side with a few planes each. Gonna look over the rules
and stuff now!
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>>35839123
nice box man
>tfw i havent been able to justify spending money on my miniatures for months, and I still have a few hundred
10mms to paint before I can justify buying anything
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>>35839064
I have the original of that game. I like the change of the terrain cards to the tiles. sometimes
made tracing LOS a bit of a pain.
always had fun with it...the WP invasion of Germany always gave me no end of fits...tough situation. and for
some reason always enjoyed the Korean situation the bets
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Quoted By: >>35840711
Anyone got a copy of Five Men in Normandy? I've seen a couple of AARs floating around and I'd love to give it a
go.
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>>35840105
Coincidentally there's a sale of nordic weasel games going on:
http://www.wargamevault.com/browse/pub/5701/Nordic-Weasel-Games
Not just Fivecore stuff like that but also No End In Sight.
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>>35838643
>I was wondering if there was a wargame that represented air warfare in the
second world war.
Obligatory repost
>Bag The Hun (PDF related)
>Check Your 6!
https://mega.co.nz/#!S99C2TYK!91OrqgI5u2imvHC6h-8IgHkHyHmXZ997crB9O6tXhqw
>Scramble
http://www.mediafire.com/download/elf9lr91p1j9gwv/Scramble!.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/aspyc5b70vlk6b9/Scramble!+-+Angels+15.pdf
>Luftwaffe (this is strategic rather than tactical)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/dzp2hd6ulo4kiqf/Luftwaffe.rar
>Air Force
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http://www.mediafire.com/download/tx7lxug2wl3wyk8/Air+Force.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/q8elqgwcw5is771/Air+Force+-+Dauntless.pdf
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>>35839123
Nice how do yo qualify for the mystery gift and is the finnish officer separate head?
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>>35843690
mystery gift is just something they're throwing in all orders until the free shipping for US thing ends.
The Finns and Russians in the blisters are seperate head, but the mystery gift guy isnt
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>>35795649
C-can i have a posting in the Honourable East India Company, sir?
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>>35839453
This is only the first half. I've got another 8 vehicles or so, several guns, and about a hundred infantry still on the
way from a kickstarter. Hopefully they look as good as the Warlord stuff.
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>>35829962
I got it while searching for "Robert Clive" in google image search, so probably.
>>35844964
My college thesis was on sexuality in the EIC, and the Company was pretty fascinating.
It was attractive to a lot of the middle class and lower aristocracy because there was this mythology that you
could go to India and stumble into a fortune. That wasn't really true, but after living for twenty years in India as an
army officer or company civil servant and squirreling away your wages you could live pretty comfortably once you
got back to Britain.
Other than malaria and the general brutality of being part of a colonial presence, I don't know why you'd want to
go back, though. India seemed like it would have been much more fun, particularly in the 18th century when
everyone was okay with you running off and marrying a Brahmin princess.
Well except for the Mutiny. You'd probably want to have left before then.
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>>35838967
Wow that's a lot of cool stuff.
I just recently ordered a box of their British Paratroopers, and I am very excited to get and
paint them (I am so fucking tired of painting WFB elves goddamn).
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So a question for anyone who knows anything about this subject: Warlord has a British Paras QF 17 pounder AT
gun miniature. How accurate is that? I have a hard time believing that this was dropped from an airplane, even
disassembled. Maybe on a glider, I guess. I mean they put the Tetrarch on a glider.
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>>35845220
Was there any particular reason they stopped viewing the Indians as equals and 'going native' started being
frowned upon?
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>>35845356
I would imagine that thing had to be brought in by glider. Like you said, there's no sane way they could have
paradropped that into a combat zone.
Never tried their paras before. Their plastics can be hit and miss. Their new Japs and Marines? Excellent kits.
Got a few sprues of both on a sale and was very happy. The old Germans and US Army guys though? Pain in the
ass and the rifles for the Germans break very easily as they're super thin. Always liked their metals though.
Nothing crazy, but they paint up nice.
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>>35845220
EIC guys certainly enjoyed more privileges than their Army counterparts. An intelligent lad
could rise fast and far in the Company if he was motivated enough, while only wealthly
officers - or ones in units with a high mortality rate - could expect promotion. Company boys also enjoyed bigger
cuts of the prize money from successful campaigns too.
The real money was in mercenary work. One thing I loved about the Sharpe prequel novels was how it looked as
these European adventurers who ran off to help train up the various Royal armies of the Subcontinent.
>>35845405
The change in sensibilities as the Victorian Era ascended and as aspirations of Empire took over.
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>>35845405
Well that was the main thrust of the thesis, anon :3
I think it's mostly that the Company shifted its focus. Prior to the late 18th Century, most of the Company's
revenue came from trade. By the Victorian period, however, the Company's revenue it got from collecting taxes in
Bengal (nominally on behalf of the Mughal Emperor) far outclassed whatever it got directly from trade. More and
more of the Company was devoted to militarily subduing the local population and collecting money and resources
from them. Most of the Brits in India by the 1830s weren't living in Calcutta or Bombay as civil servants or traders
-- they were officers and soldiers living in hilltop forts and stations. There wasn't as much interaction with the
Indian upper castes outside of the military, and the entire focus of British-Indian relations was one of occupier and
subjects, rather than trading partners.
At the same time, more and more british people were living in India, they were bringing their families from Britain
into the country, women were coming from Britain in order to marry rich young Company officers, and Victorian
British values were thus more strictly enforced than, say, in 1760.
>>35845468
The ones I got are some of the older metal ones. The ones I've seen look like great sculpts, so I'm hopeful that
they'll look great.
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>>35845478
It was also cheaper to get into. Getting a commission in the Company Army was pretty cheap, and with the right
connections it could be free. If you wanted to be an officer in the British Army, you had to pay a large fee for the
commission -- you didn't join the Army for money but rather for prestige.
So the Company was a pretty attractive option for someone from the upper classes who couldn't really do
anything else.
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Does anyone know what kind of gear, weapons and vehicles Ireland used during the second world war?
I'm feeling tempted to start doing some alt history paint schemes
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>>35846143
I believe they were a non combatant, and specifically stayed neutral, much to the chagrin of their neighbors. I
know they had a few obsolete tanks of I want to say Hungarian origin, and probably a lot of WWI surplus from
various nations
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>>35845220
Honours or doctoral?
Anyway, cheers for that, really interesting.
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>>35846167
So pre/early war British with some possible German equipment then?
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>>35838936
So, in a recent development that shouldn't surprise me at all, NEITHER of the Vickers 6 ton tanks came with a
main cannon barrel.
On top of that, the Panzershreck/AT rifle team didn't come with a Panzershreck! It just has two loaders for it
instead.
Sadly, can't say this is the first time Warlord has flubbed an order. Got a Sdkfz 250/10 that didn't come with the
PaK 36 cannon, never did get the replacement for that.
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>>35845356
Paratroopers weren't dropped every time they saw action. After they were dropped in Normandy, they continued
to fight on foot, and they got their support weapons they left behind via land transportation.
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I fucking love missiles. Where can a civilian go to learn accurate data on missiles? Effective range with different
guidance systems, percentage of kills, all that good shit.
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>>35846143
>>35846289
Have a look here anon
http://www.mediafire.com/download/95yh9c9bh73ne5c/Osprey+-+MAA+417++The+Irish+Defence+Forces+since+1922.pdf
PDF related is an old Wargames Illustrated article about the project German invasion of Ireland, tentatively known
as Operation Kathleen.
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>>35848028
You need to track down a copy of Jane's Missiles and Rockets anon, and be
prepared to pay a lot.
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>>35848504
>keep your eye on the birdie.gif
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Some news on Sam Mustafa's (the guy behing Grande Arme, Lasalle, Maurice and Might & Reason) upcoming
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Small Prussian campaign update. Orders were the same as what was proposed on the diagram up thread a but,
but I'll do a proper write-up of the orders tomorrow, when there should be an update on what happens in the turn.
We could see a battle, in which case the battle will be fought Tuesday, with turn results Wednesday.
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>>35810483
Have any links to info on the Marie-louises, can't find much on google!
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>>35848983
I'm pretty excited by blucher tbh
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>>35855108
>blucher
whinnying intensifies
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>Forward batteries, commence whinny
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>>35855574
Frau blucher?
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>>35845356
As a matter of fact, the Hamilcar glider that transported the Tetrarch did carry 17-pounder guns on D-Day.
http://www.dday-overlord.com/eng/hamilcar.htm
Of course, since you could only move the gun any distance with a tractor, and the Crusader gun tractor weighed
over twice the load carried by the Hamilcar, I presume it was pretty much stationary once the glider landed.
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>>35856019
Cut down 15cwt trucks transported it as far as I know and were in the glider too.
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>>35856019
I guess if all shit went down, you could transport a 17pdr with a Tetrarch. Also, 6pdr guns were more common as
a para dropped weapon.
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>>35848069
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Does it make me a bad person if sometimes I think "It's too bad Germany didn't have any sort of ability to launch
an amphibious invasion, because Operation Sea Lion would have been pretty cool"?
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>>35858116
It'd have been cool, certainly. I'd love to see the insurgency Churchill had planned. We'd have made it a fucking
nightmare for the Krauts to hold ground.
Also an amphibious invasion over the channel would make for some cool aerial photographs and shit.
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>>35858116
>Does it make me a bad person to want things
The Falklands Guy Fri 31 Oct 2014 00:07:45 No.35859970
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Quoted By: >>35861252
Hey /hwg/
Some of you may have seen this on the FoW General (in fact someone pointed me here) but I'm slowly putting
together a Falklands War mod for the Flames of War system.
Early days yet, but I've put together a couple of British lists - Royal Marines and Paras.
It's not letting me upload the pdfs here but check them out.
Marines: >>35859852
Paras: >>35859800
Let me know what you think, folks.
Anonymous Fri 31 Oct 2014 01:11:00 No.35861252
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>>35859970
I like it a lot man. This conflict needs more wargaming.
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Quoted By: >>35862203
>>35854794
You'd need to look at some serious analyses of the French Army circa 1813. The Funcken books would have
some stuff but they're in French. Some of the Napoleonic folder resources will mention them too. Pop down to
your local library and look for a more specialized text.
>>35858116
>because Operation Sea Lion would have been pretty cool"?
Have you ever heard about the Sandhurst wargame of it from 1973?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion_%28wargame%29
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>>35861252
one of the greatest games ever made covering the conflict
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>>35861917
>Where There Is Discord
What a great choice of title
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>>35861876
Yeah. That's why I said they would need some real naval assets. As the simulation showed (and a lot of people
over the years have said) even if you presume that the Germans would have had the ability to land and resupply
their troops, the Royal Navy could have destroyed most of the invasion force before they ever got off their boats if
the Kriegsmarine wasn't significantly larger.
That was the idea behind the Battle of Britain, after all -- Hitler and Co. thought that if they destroyed the RAF, it
would be possible to protect the invasion fleet from the air. I doubt that would have worked either, especially once
you consider that the "invasion fleet" consisted of a bunch of river barges, converted to carry an extra engine (for
the last few hundred meters to the beaches), but I'm no expert.
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>>35859800
>Need to start looking at the Argentines in more detail so I have more than 'Generic
Conscript running away fodder list v1'
Thank for you actually making an effort. Seriously, not even Argie. Have you had a look at our moderns folder in
the OP.
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Quoted By: >>35862754
>>35861917
Holy shit I've got to get that for my pommy m8.
One Christmas we found a ringbound collection of magazines on the Falklands.
_____
Gone and looked it up, and it's solitaire apparently. Pretty disappointing.
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>>35862679
Its still an amazing game. But yeah, Solitaire (or Co-op).
The Falklands Guy Fri 31 Oct 2014 02:27:43 No.35862769
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>>35862639
Well, if anything the lack of balance would be dull.
But having a parent who fought in the conflict, it's doing both sides a disservice to say the British had a walkover.
I'll be building a 602nd Regiment list for the Argentines - those guys gave the SAS/SBS/A&MWC guys a
headache on Mount Kent which says a lot.
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Quoted By: >>35863309 >>35866281
>>35862754
Yeah, but he's not going to play a boardgame solitaire, might as well just play a computer game. I'd be inclined
to agree, I see the sorts of games we play as social activities, especially when I can boot up a computer game in
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>>35863187
Oh I totally understand. That said, I'd pay a lot for a computerized version or it and some of the
other badass solitaire wargames like Silent War, B-17 Queen of the Skies, ApacheThunderbolt/Phantom/Hornet Leader, etc.
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>>35863309
dont forget Pattons Best, Mosbeys Raiders, Raid on St Nazarine, Steel Wolves, Ambush/BattleHymn series,
RAF
the list goes on....
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Quoted By: >>35864023
I've got a small update on the Prussian campaign, fuck all happened day 2. No combat yet. Significant enemy
troop movements spotted though, I'll do a proper write up when the CiC plots out a few moves for day 3.
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>>35863586
Did you get the chance to sharpen your sword in front of the opposing French commander before getting your ass
handed to you?
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new thread needed shortly.

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>>35865780
Before somebody does, is there anything that needs adding to the OP pasta?
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Quoted By: >>35867806
>>35865814
http://pastebin.com/BfMeGd6R
Trying to get together a pastebin, google doc or something that gathers up actual primary sources on the
historical periods. I'll happily take suggestions, or pass on the list to anyone that wants to take over.
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>>35863187
>especially when I can boot up a computer game in seconds and have it do all the work for me.
Posted as I spend hours modding Fallout this afternoon.
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>>35866207
>http://pastebin.com/BfMeGd6R
Good stuff anon
I'll start a new one shortly
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Anonymous Mon 27 Oct 2014 12:45:54 No.35788973

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>Featherstone's Complete Wargaming

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Anonymous Mon 27 Oct 2014 12:46:59 No.35788978

27st October in military history:

HMS Barham.w ebm, 2MiB, 1280x720

Anonymous Mon 27 Oct 2014 12:48:24 No.35788993

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Anonymous Mon 27 Oct 2014 12:50:20 No.35789011

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New acquisition to kick off the thread:

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harpoon.w ebm, 3MiB, 740x460

Anonymous Mon 27 Oct 2014 13:26:55 No.35789320

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Anonymous Mon 27 Oct 2014 16:03:53 No.35790674

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Ah, Japanese warships.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Oct 2014 16:22:35 No.35790930

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Anonymous Mon 27 Oct 2014 18:19:23 No.35792447

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Anonymous Mon 27 Oct 2014 18:21:55 No.35792470

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Anonymous Mon 27 Oct 2014 18:25:41 No.35792508

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Anonymous Mon 27 Oct 2014 18:26:44 No.35792518

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