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AxialCompressor
Howcanichecktheinletpressureoftheaxialcompressure?
BySamualon23June,20133:56pm
Helloexperts
Istarttostudythegasturbinecomponents.
Ihaveaconfusionaboutaxialcompressor
Ifbarometricpressureatthesiteis14.5PSIAandInletfilterdifferentialpressureis3inchofwater
column,thenwhatistheinletpressureoftheaxialcompressor.
Itis11stageaxialcompressor.Thecompressuredischargepressureis118PSIG.
IwanttocalculatethepressureratiobuthowandwhereimeasuretheInletcompressorpressure?
Thankingyouiwillremain

Byhfzaalon24June,20134:26am
TheremustbeinletvacuumatcompressorinletININCHOFH20.ifitispresentthenicangiveu
theanswer

ByCSA

on24June,201312:55pm

Samual,
Howmuchaccuracydoesyourcalculationrequire?Whatareyouusingthecompressorpressure
rationumberfor?TheformulausedbyoneOEMforcalculatingcompressorpressureration
(CPR)fortheirheavydutygasturbinesis:
CPR=(CPD+Ambient)/Ambient
CPR=(118.0psig+14.5psia)/14.5psia
CPR=132.5psia/14.5psia=9.138
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Ambient|Inlet|Axial|Axial
|Filter|Comp|CompDisch
||Inlet|
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14.5|3.0in||118.0psig
psia|Water||132.5psia

But,ifonelooksatthetableabove,onecouldsubtracttheInletFilterdropfromtheambientand
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considertheresultas"ambient"whichiswhatwouldbepresentattheinlettotheaxial
compressorintheareaofthebellmouth.
IbelievetheOEMdoesn'tincludetheinletfilterdifferentialpressureinthecalculationisthat
thereshouldalwaysbeadropacrosstheinletfilterbecausethereshouldalwaysbeafilteronthe
inletbutthat'sascientific,wildarsedguessastowhytheinletfilterdifferentialpressuredropis
notincludedinthecompressorpressureratiocalculation.
Also,theturbineisultimatelyexhaustingtoatmosphere.Evenifthereisasmallbackpressureon
theexhaust,itwillbeverysimilartotheinletfilterpressuredrop.

BySamualon27June,201312:42pm
Helloexperts
thanksforhelp.Icamebackfromthesiteandigiveyoufollowingdata
1.Airinletfilterdiffrentialpressureis1.8"h20
2.Pressureatthecompressureinletbymeasuringdiffrentialpressuregauge0t010"h2o,
Connectlowsideofthegaugeandnote3"H2o.
3.PCDis119PsigandBarometricpressureis14.3Psia.
IftheInletpressurewhichis3"H2Oifincreaseordecreasewhateffectontheaxialcompressor
andhowicalculatethePRofthecompressor?CanicalculatetheroughlyflowinPPS?
Regards

ByHfzaalon28June,20132:56pm
DearSamual,
YouonlyneedcompressorInletpressure?
Forthatyouhavethedata.
Thegauge(orPressuretransmitter)whichisshowingcompressorinletvacuumisbasically
showingyoutheamountofvacuumpresentoncompressorsuction.
Asyourgaugereads3inchofwatercolumnsoconvertthatintoPSI.
3inchesofH20=0.10Psi
so
0.10PsivacuumispresentatcompressorinletandInletpressure(P1)is14.50(atmospheric
P)0.10psi
=14.40PSi
SoyouhavetheCompressorInletpressure=14.40Psia
ForthatyoucancalculatecompressorEfficiency
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YouonlyhavetotellmetheCompressorinlettemperatureanddischargetemperaturealong
withP1andP2.
Thanks,
Hopeithelped

BySamualon2July,20131:55am
Helloexperts
Goodday.
1.TheCompressorinlettemperatureis95DegF
2.P1=Compressorinletpressureiscalculatedas
(Barometricpressure=14.3(DPatinletcompressor0.1PSI)=14.2PSI
3.P2is119PSIG
4.T2(Compressordischargetemperatureis590DegF)
PleaseguidemehowicalculatetheefficiencyandifefficiencyknowcanicalculatetheFlow
inPPS?
Regards

Byhfzaalon4July,20133:31pm
Formulaforcompressorefficiency
[(P2C/P1C)^(k1/k)1]
Eff=___________________________

[(T2C/T1C)1]
WhereP2C=compressordischargepressure

P1C=compressorinletpressure

T2C=compressordischargetemperature

T1C=compressorinlettemperature

K=1.4

Unitsofpressureshouldbe'psi'

Unitsoftemperaturesshouldbe'Rankins'(F+460)

DearSamual:Areyousurethatcompressorinlettemperatureis95degreeF.wheretheinlet
temperatureRTDinstalled?
Pleasecheckcompressorinlettemperatureagain
mysecondquestionis
whatcoolingmethodutilizedforcompressorinletareacooling?
forexampleEvapsystemorfogetc
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BySamualon6July,20135:14am
HelloHafzal
Goodday.Yesthecompressorinlettemperatureiscorrectbecauseevaporativecooling
systemisnotrunningduetosomereasons.WhenitoperatestheInlettemperaturecometo
nearabout73to78degf.
Aftercalculationtheefficiencycaniknowthemassairflow?
Regards

Byhfzaalon6July,201311:04am
Nup
Youcouldnotcalculatemassflowfromthis.
Mostoftheturbineshaveinbuildsystemtocalculatemassflowbutsomedoesnot.
Sameisthecasewithourturbinetoo.althoughwehavecompressorinletscrolldifferential
pressure,butwehavenotexactorificemeasurementatcompressorinlet.(Iamconsidering
orificeascompressorsuctiontypicalshapewhichusuallybendsatsuction)
YouneedcompressorinletareawhichiscalledBellmouthandthentoimplementformula.
2ndasforyourcompressorefficiencyisconcernedyourcurrentdataseemswrong.weather
youcollectdataatturbinetransientphaseorsomeofyourinstrumentshowwrongvalue.
Pleaseprovidedataatturbinebaseload(maxload)atstablecondition.

ByPhilCorso
on6July,20131:29pm
1outof2membersthoughtthispostwashelpful...
Samual...Isvibrationfrequencyinsympathywithrotorrpmorratedlinefrequency,ifthe
twoaredifferent?
Regards,PhilCorso

BySamulon9July,20134:11am
>Youcouldnotcalculatemassflowfromthis.
Hello
IsTheformulaofefficiencycorrect?iskisnotusedinthedenominatorwithtemperatures?
regards
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Byhfzaalon17July,20136:24am
Formulaforcompressorefficiency
[(P2C/P1C)^(k1/k)1]
Eff=___________________________

[(T2C/T1C)1]
WhereP2C=compressordischargepressure

P1C=compressorinletpressure

T2C=compressordischargetemperature

T1C=compressorinlettemperature

K=1.4

Unitsofpressureshouldbe'psi'

Unitsoftemperaturesshouldbe'Rankins'(F+460)

Practicledataofourplant
T1=83F
T2=807F
P1=28.5inchofHg(13.99PSIA)
P2=209PSIA
INsertingthevaluesinaboveformulawehavecompressorefficiencyof87.2%almost.

BySamualon19July,20136:47am
HelloHafzal
Thanksforguidemeoneachstep.Ireadyourpracticaldatawhichupost.
WherefromyoumeasuretheP1?
Icalculateas
p1=Barometricpressure(airinletfilterdifferentialpressure+inletdifferentialpressure)
Isitcorrect?
>Formulaforcompressor
>efficiency
>[(P2C/P1C)^(k1/k)1]
>Eff=___________________________
>

>[(T2C/T1C)1]
>
>WhereP2C=compressordischarge
>pressure
>
P1C=compressorinletpressure
>
T2C=compressordischarge
>temperature
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>
T1C=compressorinlettemperature
>
K=1.4
>
Unitsofpressureshouldbe'psi'
>
Unitsoftemperaturesshouldbe
>'Rankins'(F+460)

Secondifihavethebellmouthareawhatistheformulatocalculatetheflow?alsoguideme
whichunitsiusedtocalculatetheflowinPPS.
Thankingyouiwillremain

Byhfzaalon20July,201312:08am
Dear,
FormeasurementofP1(Compressorinletpressure)wehaveinstalledPressuretransmitter
whichgivesusdirectreadingofinletmanifoldpressure(inletpressure)inInchofhg.
WealsohavethereadingofAtmosphericpressure,inletfilterDP,andcompressorinlet
vacuum.bytakingthesevaluesyoucanalsocalculateP1.
Hereitis
P1=AtmosphericpressureCompressorinletvacuum
(whereascompressorinletvacuumreadingisalreadysumtoinletfilterdifferentialpressure)
2
Eachturbineinletareaisdifferentsotheformulaisalsodifferent.Manufacturercangiveyou
theformulaforthat.andsecondlywhyareyoufocusingthevaluesisPPS?justdownload
Unitconverterandinterchangemassflowunits.
thanks

Bymsn on17July,20136:52pm
Samual,
ifyouhaveyourcompressormap,byefficiencyandpressureratio,massflowisdetermined.
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