Paul J Nel Anyone who has ever undertaken a truly unprejudiced analysis of all the availabl e data MUST

at least come to the conclusion that there are enough reason to doub t the historicity of this individual. Clear and logical thought processes, unswa yed by belief systems or emotionalism and supported by historical data leads to conclusions including, but not limited to; 1. No rabbinic records exist for any renegade student of Gamaliel who have done the things described of this phantom. 2. No rabbinic or historical records exist for Jewish persecution of christians as described in the NT. 3. Any serious [unbiased] student of these matters MUST also admit that for a pe rson who professed himself to be of Jewish descent, with a Rabbinic scholarship, it is rather strange that such a person would take ALL his scriptural reference s from the Septuagint. 4. No secular historians, e.g. Pliny, Tacitus, etc, make reference to this indiv idual yet he moved in high circles of government and were interviewed by kings, governors and emperors. These are just logical conclusions. But even if one denies the obviousness of th ese facts, there still remains the issue of YHVH saying in His Torah that any th at is ANY person not observing Torah, and not teachings others to do so, is a fa lse teachers/prophet. Now Torah teaches not to lie or steal. As an ex rabbinic student this individual should have known the seriousness of this in Torah. And yet [if he really did e xist] he made himself guilty of both... Just a quick glance and a bit of scratching and study will reveal to you that his words in ... 1 Cor 13 --- > read the Essene Gospel of Peace, Book 1 (http://www.essene.com/Go spelOfPeace/peace1.html) Acts 17:28 --- > Writings of Arastus (300 BCE) {We his [Zeus ] offspring} Acts 17:27-28 --- > Writings of Epimenides (600BCE) { god [Zeus] is not far from each one of us for in him we live and move and have our being} Titus 1:12 --- > Writings of Epimenides (600 BCE) {Cretans are always liars, evi l brutes, lazy gluttons} 1 Cor 15:33 --- > Writings of Menander (350 BCE) {bad company corrupts good char acter} Romans 7:19 --- > Hippolytus (430 BCE) {the good that I would I do not; but the evil which I would not do, that I do} 1 Tim 5:4 --- > Terence (200 BCE) {But if any widow has children or nephews, let them learn first to show piety at home} Phil 2:12 --- > Mahaparinibanasuta Buddhist scriptures (500-250 BCE) {work out y our own salvation with fear and trembling} When one stops trying to reconcile matters with word gymnastics and acrobatics, the truth remains, and that truth cannot be reconciled with either ha Torah or h a TaNaKH Shalom Gosto Seguir publicao h 3 horas 5 pessoas gostam disto. Natsarim Mike Temple AWESOME h 3 horas Gosto Richard Gammon The story of the young man who falls from the window and Paul bri ngs back to life comes from Homer - it can be googled. I'm not unconvinced of th e notion that Saul/Paul and Josephus were one and the same person. They share nu merous biographical occurrences. h 2 horas Gosto Sheree Phillips I have never read any of the above mentioned books but I could c learly see that what saul wrote conflicted with Torah.thank you