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Srila Gurudeva: You have some questions? GBC: From yesterday you were advising that, in discussing Rga-vartma-candrik, that we perform inner arcana, thinking of the ll of Rdh-Ka, while we perform our other devotional service such as japa or other activities. So, I think I have a little bit of that greed, by your grace, but I dont feel qualified to begin this inner sev, and one reason is, I am afraid, is this the proper to sahajiy? Or, what is the difference between? Srila Gurudeva: I told, only to pray that: I may be a ds; I may serve rmati; I may serve Rpa-majar. Only to pray, not to do like. Understand? GBC: Yes Srila Gurudeva: "I want to be like"I pray (to) Ka, and His subordinates, that: "I want to serve Him." We are not qualified but yet we want. We pray. No? Similarly, like VilapPuspanjali, like Rpa Gosvm's r Gndharv-Samprrthanakam he has prayed that: vndvane viharator iha keli-kuje matta dvipa-pravara-kautuka-vibhramea sandarayasva yuvayor vadanravinda-dvandva vidhehi mayi devi! kp prasda ["O Dev Rdhik! You and r Ka are constantly enjoying Your ambrosial amorous pastimes in the leafy pleasure-groves of Vndvana, like the intoxicated king of elephants sporting with his queen elephant. Therefore, O Gndharvik! Be pleased with me and mercifully grant me darana of Your and Your beloved Ka's lotus-like faces." r Gndharv-Samprrthanakam (1)] rla Rpa Gosvm is praying to rmati Rdhik that, I want to take darana of you both when in Vndvana in real Vndvana, aprkta Vndvana you both are roaming in Vndvana in kuja, and Lalit, Vikh, all are serving you, and you are playing, you are doing vihra there Vihra has so many vast meanings, playing so, may I have your mercy that can I see you and Ka. This is pranata (editors note: unclear word). Next pranata (editors note: unclear word) is: h dev! kku-bhara-gadgadaydya vc yce nipatya bhuvi daavad udbharti asya prasdam abudhasya janasya ktv gndharvike! nija-gae gaan vidhehi

[O Dev Gndharvik! I am suffering greatly, and therefore today I throw myself on the ground like a stick and humbly implore You with a choked voice to be merciful to this fool and please count me as one of Your own. 1

r Gndharv-Samprrthanakam (2)] It is the second loka. Here rla Rpa Gosvm is telling that, Oh! rmati Rdhikhe, you are my pra-dev, so be pleased with me and by your mercy can I be capable to be among your dss. h dev! kku-bhara-gadgadaydya vc yce I am praying to your lotus feet, doing daavat praati with kalpa dar (editors note: unclear word). Kalpa dar (editors note: unclear word) means praying in a mood of weeping. I can not speak anything. Tears are coming. I am so much distressed. So, may you hear my words my prayer. h dev! kku-bhara-gadgadaydya vc yce nipatya bhuvi daavad udbharti I am telling you with udbharti udbharti means dukha, sadness, misery I am helpless. I am so much ajna, no knowledge at all, no source nothing I have. I have only source of your lotus feet that you are so much kind and udra generous; You are generous. This is my hope. So, I am falling on Your feet. I am telling that I am mha fool; I am quite (a) fool. (I) know nothing, but yet I have greed. So, I am praying at Your lotus feet that You should enlist my name in the list of Your dss. No qualification, only they are doing pramas. So, like this prama, prayers, we should do. Understand? GBC: Yes, I understand. Srila Gurudeva: So, nothing to hear in this. But yes, there should be greed, otherwise we should not do. GBC: Another difficulty is that this requires control of the mind because it seems to be a kind of meditation. Srila Gurudeva: No, no. This requires only greed. If there is greed everything will be there. And if no need, no greed. If there will come so many things. And if greed is there no obstructions will (unclear). [To assistant: mane gane he?]. GBC: Nothing can stop it. GBC: We may begin even with a little greed. Srila Gurudeva: But it seems that no greed. GBC: What? Srila Gurudeva: Because if there is no greed yukti comes there. Whether we should do or not do and logic comes and everything. And if there is no logic, nothing, it will be kept very sacred and we would like to meet persons who are very keen interested in this. We will not tell these things 2

to anyone, only to them to whom he has got something; that no use of logic, no stra yukti, nothing. I love a lady. Or a lady loves anyone. No reason, nothing. He saw and loved. Greed is there. So we should try to do vaidhi-bhakti always. And doing vaidhi-bhakti by the grace of Ka so much karun asi greed will come later on. Practices of both things are one. No difference some difference but no (major) difference. So we should do all these things. But, uh, if any man, blind man also, prays anything, no harm. "I want to be in Vndvana," what harm? "I want to serve my gurudeva in aprkta radi Goloka Vaikuha," what harm? We are not able to go there, we are not qualified yet we are praying. We should avoid (thinking) that, "I am gop," "I am majar," "I am doing this service, that service." If it looks very beautiful, sweet to us, GBC: Mahrja , you said we should want to serve our spiritual master as in the verse nikuja-yno rati-keli-siddhyai y ylibhir yuktir apekany tatrti-dkd ati-vallabhasya vane guro r cararavindam

[r Gurudeva is always present with the sakhs, planning the arrangements for the perfection of yugala-kiora's amorous pastimes (rati-keli) within the kujas of Vndvana. Because he is so expert in making these tasteful arrangements for Their pleasure, he is very dear to r Rdh and Ka. I offer prayers unto the lotus feet of ri Gurudeva. (r Guruaakam 6)] ...in his eternal form. Srila Gurudeva: It has been written by rla Vivantha Cakravart hkura according to his bhva. If anyone wants to follow this he can pray and he can think. Otherwise, second and first loka, mahprabho krtana-ntya-gtavditra-mdyan-manaso rasena romca-kampru-taraga-bhjo vane guro r cararavindam

[r Gurudeva is inspired by Mahprabhu's sakrtana and is always dancing, singing, and playing musical instruments. Because he is tasting Mahprabhu's prema-rasa in his heart, like a mad3

man he sometimes exhibits ecstatic symptoms his hairs stand on end, he shivers, and waves of tears flow from his eyes. I offer prayers unto r Gurudeva's lotus feet. (r Gurvaakam 2)] it is for vaidhi-bhakti also. No harm. So he will impress on this point.

r-vigrahrdhana-nitya-nngra-tan-mandira-mrjandau yuktasya bhakt ca niyujato 'pi vane guro r cararavindam [Always worshiping r Vigraha and absorbed in gra-rasa, r Gurudeva daily dresses Them differently with beautiful clothes and ornaments designed to enhance Their meetings. He cleans the temple and performs other services for Them. He also engages his disciples in these services. I offer prayers unto the lotus feet of r Gurudeva. (r Gurvaakam 3)]

...all these things accepting to

r-rdhik-mdhavayor apramdhuray-ll-gua-rpa-nmnm prati-kasvdana-lolupasya vane guro r cararavindam

[At every moment r Gurudeva is experiencing intense greed in his heart to tast the unlimited sweetness of the holy names, forms, qualities, and pastimes of r Rdh-Mdhava in Vndvana. I offer my prayers unto the lotus feet of r Gurudeva. (r Gurvaakam 5)] and

nikuja-yno rati-keli-siddhyai 4

y ylibhir yuktir apekany tatrti-dkd ati-vallabhasya vane guro r cararavindam

[r Gurudeva is always present with the sakhs, planning the arrangements for the perfection of yugala-kiora's amorous pastimes (rati-keli) within the kujas of Vndvana. Because he is so expert in making these tasteful arrangements for Their pleasure, he is very dear to r Rdh and Ka. I offer prayers unto the lotus feet of ri Gurudeva. (r Guruaakam 6)] As I expressed before rgnuga-bhakti. They were very kind. rla Vivantha Cakravart hkura and all others; they have done such a thing that everyone may be satisfied. GBC: From the beginner to the most advanced. Srila Gurudeva: So much advanced. But I think those who are beginners or those who are (unclear: madhyama-adhikr?) will not enter into two points. What is the meaning? GBC: They will not enter two points? Srila Gurudeva: nikuja-yno... and r-rdhik... they will not think at all. Never. They will only do krtana, not knowing anything, only there should be krtana, do krtana. Not with bhva. But qualified persons, they do krtana with bhva. In Rpa Gosvm's ik r Upademta it has been written tan-nma-rpa-caritdi-sukrtannusmtyo kramea rasan-manas niyojya tihan vraje tad-anurgi-jannugm kla nayed akhilam ity upadea-sram [While living in Vraja as a follower of the sternal residents of Vraja, who possess inherent spontaneous love for r Ka, one should utilize all his time by sequentially engaging the tongue and the mind in meticulous chanting and remembrance of Ka's names, form, qualities and pastimes. This is the essence of all instruction. (r Upademta 8)]

You have heard this loka? tan-nma-rpa-caritdirla Rpa Gosvm is telling that this upadesha, this instruction, is the sra, essence, of all the 5

books they have written (including) rmad Bhgavatam also, Vedas, stra, Upaniads combined all the books; it is the essence of all these things and the essence of what ri Caitanya Mahprabhu has given to this world. Essence. That tan-nma-rpa-caritdi...Ka's nma; what Ka name? Not all names Govinda, Gop-jana-vallabha, Rdh-vallabha, Rdh-pradna all these names or according to their will, what they are qualified (for), according to them. agha-damana-yaod-nandanau! nanda-sno! kamala-nayana-gop-candra-vndvanendr! praata-karua-kv ity aneka-svarpe tvayi mama ratir uccair vardhat nmadheya

[O Nma, may my love for You in Your many forms such as Agha-damana, Yaod- nandana, Nanda-sno, Kamala-nayana, Gopcandra, Vndvanendra and Praata- karua, always increase. r Ka-Nmakam (5)]

These names. Sakh-Ka, Prahbu-Ka. So, there are various kinds of names. RdhDamodara and Yaod-Damodara are not the same. Name is same Damodara but to whom he refers, Rdh-Damodara or Yaod-Damodara? nammvara sac-cid-nanda-rpa lasat-kuala gokule bhrjamnam yaod-bhiyolkhald dhvamna parmam atya tattoo drutya gopy [I worship the Supreme vara, r Ka, whose form is sac-cid-nanda, whose makara-shaped earrings swing and play upon His cheeks, who is supremely splendrous in the transcendental dhma of Gokula, who, due to breaking the yogurt pot, is very fearful of Mother Yaod and jumping down from the wooden grinding mortar quickly runs away, and who, chased by Yaod, who hastily runs after Him, is ultimately caught from behind. (r Dmodarakam 1)] Especially the general mass knows Yaod-Damodara, but gops dont know that Ka. They know Rdh-Damodara. Ka is tightened with rmati Rdhik so He may not go here and there. They love this Ka. tan-nma-rpa-caritdi-sukrtannusmtyo kramea rasan-manas niyojya tihan vraje tad-anurgi-jannugm kla nayed akhilam ity upadea-sram 6

[While living in Vraja as a follower of the sternal residents of Vraja, who possess inherent spontaneous love for r Ka, one should utilize all his time by sequentially engaging the tongue and the mind in meticulous chanting and remembrance of Ka's names, form, qualities and pastimes. This is the essence of all instruction. (r Upademta 8)] What name they are qualified, they should take the name and they should chant bitterly, crying with heart. Heartly thing, the pastimes of Ka related to that name and he should be in Vndvana under the guidance of any rasika-vaiava to whom he is dedicated.

sajtya-snigdha ara rasika-siddhntavi-vaiava

A vaiava who has some affection for you and he is of the same category that you like he likes also; and he has some mercy upon you and you have some heart for him; that situation is very sacred. So, being in Vndvana under the guidance of such a vaiava you should chant that Ka and Gop-jana-vallabha, Nanda-nanda, Yaod-nanda, or any name to whom you are related. And if you can not stay in Vndvana from there where you are you should think by mind that, "I am in Vndvana in Rdh-kua or Sev- kuja" or anywhere as you like. If you are of vtsalyarsa you should think, "I am in Gokula." If you are sakh you should think that, "I am in Nandagrma or Vndvana." If mdhurya-rsa you can think, "I am in Jvaa, Saket or Rdh-kua" and so on. So, chanting all these things and remembering the pastimes of Ka related to your heart, being in Vndvana in the guidance of such a rasika vaiava you should be chanting and purify yourself. This is the sra, essence, of all the ik rla Rpa Gosvm or ri Caitanya Mahprabhu. By doing this actually one surely will get his svarpa-siddha. If a man chants lakhs and lakhs births for thousands of years he is chanting but he has no actual vaiava association he will not realize. He will have to come in the vaiava association then his chanting will be pure and then he can advance. koi koi janme kare ydi ravaa krtana, tabuta na pya ka pade prema dhana. 'ka-nma' kare apardhera vicra ka balile apardhra n hay vikra [There are offenses to be considered while chanting the Hare Ka mantra. Therefore simply by chanting Hare Ka one does not become ecstatic. (di 8.24)] Understanding all these things? GBC: Yes, I know that verse. Srila Gurudeva: So, ri Caitanya Mahprabhu has told this if a man chants so many krods of jnama (millions of births) but Ka nma thinks apardhevicra. Ka-nma thinks he is 7

apardh, he does not give him Ka prema; He can give mukti, salvation and other things. Any other (questions)? GBC: No you answered the question. Srila Gurudeva: Any doubt? GBC: The only doubt is whether I can do what you say. GBC: What is the process of making the greed come? Through this association? Srila Gurudeva: (light laughter) It requires any process but what process is that when we will be, by the grace of Ka, in the association of a rasika-vaiava and go through books of gosvm and if it will be here very strict darana of Rdh-Ka. In vaidhi-bhakti there are so many processes. What is bad or what is good we dont require anything. If he wants that vastu, vastu you know? GBC: Substance. Srila Gurudeva: What is bad? To love Ka is bad; yet he loves. GBC: If one is attracted to Ka in Vndvana what about the other cantos of rmad Bhgavatam? Does he not study them anymore? Srila Gurudeva: Why not? GBC: But it is not Ka. It is Nsihadeva or it is Srila Gurudeva: All are related to Ka. GBC: He does not avoid the other parts? Srila Gurudeva: All are rsa. rmad Bhgavatam from beginning; (aside) beginning loka? o namo bhagavate vsudevya janmdy asya yato 'nvayd itarat crthev abhija svar teen brahma hd ya di-kavaye muhyanti yat sraya tejo-vri-md yath vinimayo yatra tri-sargo 'm dhmn sienna sad nirasta-kuhaka satya para dhmahi [O my Lord, r Ka, son of Vasudeva, O all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances to You. I meditate upon Lord r Ka because He is the Absolute Truth and the primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is no other cause beyond Him. It is He only who first imparted the Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmj, the original living being. By Him even the great sages and demigods 8

are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water. Only because of Him do the material universes, temporarily manifested by the reactions of the three modes of nature, appear factual, although they are unreal. I therefore meditate upon Him, Lord r Ka, who is eternally existent in the transcendental abode, which is forever free from illusory representations of the material world. I meditate upon Him, for He is the Absolute Truth. (S.B. 1.1.1)] From whom adhay-rasa and mani-madhura-rasa is created? Everything is included there. GBC: He reads the entire Bhgavatam but now he sees it in a different way. Srila Gurudeva: He can tell any loka and his meaning will be transferred into mdhurya-rasa. Any loka. GBC: Bhagavad-gt also like that? Srila Gurudeva: Somewhat, because it is beginning. GBC: But rmad Bhgavatam... Srila Gurudeva: nigama-kalpa-taror galita phala uka-mukhd amta-drava-sayutam piata bhgavata rasam laya muhur aho rasik bhuvi bhvuk [O expert and thoughtful men, relish rmad-Bhgavatam, the mature fruit of the desire tree of Vedic Literatures. It emanated from the lips of r ukadeva Gosvm. Therefore this fruit has become even more tasteful, although its nectarean juice was already relishable for all, including liberated souls. (S.B. 1.1.3)] It has no rotten thing or anything. But yet he has some special preference for the 10th canto. The whole body is mine but heart is the most (valuable). You know? GBC: Yes. Srila Gurudeva: First two are feet. Some are hands, some are chest. So, there are 12 parts of the body; rmad Bhgavatam is twelve parts of Ka. Anything more? Time is over. GBC: No, no, no 9

Madhava Maharaja: Five minutes more. GBC: So, I have one five-minute question. Srila Gurudeva: Five-minute question? GBC: No. No. Question is one minute but answer will only take short time so you dont have to worry. There was one verse that you spoke on Monday about how the gopis were praying: praata-dehin ppa-karaa ta-carnuga r-niketanam phai-pharpita te padmbuja ku kuceu na kndhi hc-chayam [Your lotus feet remove all the past sins of embodied beings who surrender to them, and they chase after the cows and calves that graze in the pastures. Those lotus feet are the abode of Lakm-dev, the goddess of wealth and beauty, and You placed them even upon the hoods of a serpent (Kliya). Please place those very lotus feet upon our breasts, and subdue our sufferings that have arisen from the lust in our hearts. [Gop Gta (7)] Srila Gurudeva: What? GBC: So, at that time when you spoke I was so foolish there was no tape recorder. And I can't remember it. This is so (embarrassing). It was so sweet. It is just a wonderful verse. I need to hear that. But your English is so good. Srila Gurudeva: Any question more? GBC: No, I am satisfied. I will work on it. Srila Gurudeva: Go on, what you are doing. By the grace of your Prabhupada you will gain liberty. GBC: By your grace. Srila Gurudeva: Have you Upademta? GBC: Yes. Srila Gurudeva: Very good. In short everything. GBC: His question was too big, but I have a smaller one. Srila Gurudeva: Yes, his question was so big, it will take (long time). Any question more? GBC: I do have a question. It is asking you for encouragment. Some devotees in our ISKCON they think, Prabhupada, he only taught us vaidhi-bhakti and we dont want to hear anything else. And we sometimes come into conflict with that mentality because we are trying to learn 10

more. And they say, No, to be faithful to Prabhupada you dont require more than what you find in the books. But actually, when we look at the books, we see there is more than they say there is in the books. Srila Gurudeva: Everything is there, I think. But they are not seeing. And he has left something that you should hear afterward. And you should pray me. GBC: You should pray me.? Srila Gurudeva: He is thinking, your Prabhupada, that I have done something and after that you should inquire and pray (to) me then I will give you all these in your heart." But I see that is everything is there. When Uddhava is coming from Ka and meets Vidura, in third canto. He has told everthing. Perhaps tenth canto is meaning of what essence he has told. So, Uddhava has told everything, really, and remembering the pastimes rasa and all these things. He is telling Vidura. Vidura also began to weep. He told that, I am not in a mood to tell all these things, but Krsna has told. You will have to go to Badarikasrama, to Maitreya, and he will tell you. So, everything has been told there, or in rmad Bhgavatam. Here and there in nigama-kalpa-taror galita phala uka-mukhd amta-drava-sayutam pibata bhgavata rasam layam muhur aho rasik bhuvi bhvuk

[O expert and thoughtful men, relish rmad-Bhgavatam, the mature fruit of the desire tree of Vedic literatures. It emanated from the lips of r ukadeva Gosvm. Therefore this fruit has become even more tasteful, although its nectarean juice was already relishable for all, including liberated souls. (S.B. 1.1.3)]

Everything has been told there in a very discrete (way). In Nrada and Vysadeva dialogue everything has been given there. Svamaji has written all these things but they dont see. rmad Bhgavatam is not of vaidhi-bhakti at all. I think. It is of rgtmik- bhakta. Not rgnuga also. Rgtmik. Why should they read? They should not read rmad Bhgavatam. My gurudeva used to tell, Dont read Bhgavatam. What is the meaning? You should read, who are capable, they should read, surely, Bhgavatam; otherwise you should not. Who are qualified. But it is rgtmik-bhakta. Not rgnuga, what to tell vaidhi. They are giving greed to reach in tenth canto; all are as a grass. A cow is not coming. I give a little grass. He came forward. I give a little grass here. He came again. I gave grass. Again she comes. And at last where I wanted to take that cow, the cow will be there. So, everything Vysadeva had written before in other Puras, but not gop-prema. For gop-prema rmad Bhgavatam was written and it was educated to ukadeva Gosvm. So, it is rgtmik, not vaidhi-bhakti. (These stories are) like grass. 11

So, all cryas have told it is the post-graduate book. Post-graduate means rgnuga-bhakti is post-graduate. So, they dont know. GBC: You said that our rla Prabhupda said that if you pray to me then in your heart more will come Srila Gurudeva: Oh! One more thing I want to tell you. That I know your rla Prabhupda more than you. GBC: Well, then I want to ask you Srila Gurudeva: Certainly, this is true fact. GBC: Then does he want Srila Gurudeva: They know only a part. GBC: Then what I want to know is through you then we will get that more instruction which also from our Prabhupda. You said through the heart, but it also comes through you. GBC: (laughter) So direct GBC: Because we need that assurance. We dont want to think, Oh, I am not going to Prabhupda, I am going to some other source. But we want more. We need more. Srila Gurudeva: He may grace you. MercyPerhaps you have mercy so that you have done so many great works. GBC: I remember you used to say how our Prabhupda was always chanting sad gosvami astakam. Always in the mode of the gosvms. Srila Gurudeva: Recite. GBC: And his preaching was also in that bhva. Recruiting, sending people for preaching. Srila Gurudeva: All cryas are like kalpa-vka. You know kalpa-vka? What you want, he will give. So he is one person will give everyone according to that person. Like rmad Bhgavatam is kalpa-vka. It can give mukti also. She can give wealth also. Vaikuha also. Dvrak also. Everything is there. And more over she can give Vndvana, vraja. Likewise. You can get everything from your Prabhupda. GBC: Maharaja, he asked me who that was on the left. And I said it is Vnd-dev. Srila Gurudeva: Vnd-dev is there. GBC: He did not know that was Vnd-dev. Srila Gurudeva: Oh, she was accompanying when Ka was going to Govinda, Gopnth, ymsundara and all others. Vnd-dev is also there. One day they stopped there for a few days. Vnd-dev told that, "I will not go. I will not leave 12

Vndvana." Certainly (wherever) Vnd-dev goes, there is Vndvana. So, she (was) determined not to go out of Vndvana. So she stayed there. Up to now she is there, in Kmyavana. When I went there, she told me, "I can not be here. I want to go to Vndvana. So, can you arrange that I may go there?" I said, Yes, certaintly you can go there. And I took here here. You should be in Vndvana. Without you Vndvana is not Vndvana. What should we do? GBC: Well, last time Butijana prabhu had a question and you said it would take some time. Srila Gurudeva: What was that question? GBC: About the verse: praata-dehin ppa-karaa ta-carnuga r-niketanam phai-pharpita te padmbuja ku kuceu na kndhi hc-chayam [Your lotus feet remove all the past sins of embodied beings who surrender to them, and they chase after the cows and calves that graze in the pastures. Those lotus feet are the abode of Lakm-dev, the goddess of wealth and beauty, and You placed them even upon the hoods of a serpent (Kliya). Please place those very lotus feet upon our breasts, and subdue our sufferings that have arisen from the lust in our hearts. [Gop Gta (7)] Srila Gurudeva: I have told you. No? GBC: In Bombay you told us. I have read that chapter since then and just the little I remember from that verse, that you told us, just expanded the whole...such a wonderful chapter. So, I though anything we can hear from that chapter is maybe the most sweet. Srila Gurudeva: What is the first loka? Before this? GBC: That chapter is Srila Gurudeva: Sixth loka. vraja-janrti-han vra yoit nija-jana-smaya-dhvasana-smita bhaja sakhe bhavat-kikar sma no jala-ruhnana cru daraya [O You who destroys the sorrows of the residents of Vraja; O best among heroes, the beam of whose mere smile shatters the pride of Your near and dear ones, which arises from good fortune, and from the sulky mood (mna) arising from that pride. O dear friend, please fulfill the desire of Your maidservants. At least this once, kindly show us helpless girls Your attractive lotus face and make us happy. Gop Gta (6)] GBC: This chapter, it shows the most supreme position of the gops love for Ka. It shows 13

that it is completely selfless. Srila Gurudeva: Only in vipralambha-rasa. Without vipralambha, sambhoga-rasa can not be so deep. So, vipralambha is ustikaram of sambhoga-ll. Ustikaram you know? GBC: Nourishes the union. rla Gurudeva: If there is no seperation, no sambhoga-ll will be enjoyed so much. So, there are so many kinds of vipralambha. Mna is one of them. Vipralambha-rasa. mna are of so (many) different kinds. And in them ahaituk-mna and sahaituk are of two kinds. GBC: With cause and with no cause. rla Gurudeva: Where there is no cause, but there is mna, that mna goes away itself by (the) laughing of Ka, by giving her hands, by touching gops, or anything. It comes (and) it goes away itself. But sahaituk-mna does not go itself. So, mna, it will be so deep, there are various kinds of sahaituk-mna the mna which is so deep, by a very deep reason, that will take a long time, and Ka will have to do more labor to overcome that. This is also vipralambha because Ka has left gops with Rdhik. Rdhik is with Ka. It is not clearly written in rmad Bhgavatam but it is said He is with Her because afterward it has been prakasa maya it has been told that a ladies footprint was seen. So, Ka at once took rmati by force and went from rasa. There are two lokas here: eva bhagavata kl labdha-mn mahtmana tmna menire str mninyo hy adhika bhuvi

[The gops became proud of themselves for having received such special attention from Ka, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and each of them thought herself the best woman on earth. S.B. 10.29.47]

And second loka is: ts tat-saubhaga-mada vkya mna ca keava praamya prasdya 14

tatraivntaradhyata [Lord Keava, seeing the gops too proud of their good fortune, wanted to relieve them of this pride and show them further mercy. Thus He immediately disappeared. S.B. (10.29.48)] These two lokas. That all the gops received so much praise from Ka and Ka served them and there were lakhs and lakhs gops but they were not seeing each other at that time on account of very deep love with Ka. When Ka, at the time of dancing, took their face and looked at their face, smiling, Ka, by his ptmbara, washed the dust from their mouths. Sometimes they said, "You are so tired, I should do like this (massage)." So, they saw that Ka is in so much serving tendency toward us and Ka is the Supreme... GBC: Supreme Lord... rla Gurudeva: Not Lord. Supreme good lad in whole world at that time. So beautiful, so much in every respect and a man like Ka is serving me, not any other gops. So, they have garva, pride, in their heart. Garva means, when garva comes, "I am so qualified, I am so beautiful, I have so many qualities, others have not. And that is why Ka is under me, only under me, not under any one else." This cause, garva, came to them so that all (think) I am most dear to Ka. All others are not like this. And at that time, anyone can do asy, avaj, neglecting. That is called garva, it comes from saubhgya-mada, mada means garva, garva means to neglect anyone. So saubhgya-mada that Ka is giving us so much saubhgya and this cuased mada meaning ahakra, pride. And that is why they neglected all gops. So, they were not willing to ntya dance with all the gops. But rmati Rdhik saw that Ka is dancing with all gops, he is serving to all gops, also to me. And this caused mna. Not saubhgya-mada, not ahakra, not garva, but only mna. Ka wanted that rasa should begin and that is why he wanted to subside the garva of all gops, saubhgya-mada. Understanding? GBC: Yes. Somewhat. Yes. Srila Gurudeva: All is clear? GBC: Yes. Yes. Srila Gurudeva: Saubhgya-mada. And He wanted to make rmati Rdhik so glad that she should leave her mind. So this is called prasdam. Mna means (that the) saubhgya-mada it should be crushed. And mna should be prasdam. I should make rmati Rdhik anyhow pleased. So, He took rmati Rdhik with Her and...what? GBC: Braided her hair. Srila Gurudeva: He collected flowers. Made garland, gave it to rmati Rdhik. Garlanded her hairs and everything. So, She became very much prasna and all gops, when Ka went away with Rdhik, all mna, saubhgya-mada was crushed. Rdhik's mna was not crushed. She was pleased. At last He also left rmati Rdhik on account of gops. That gops may not come 15

here at once and if they will see Rdhik with Me they will be ry, envious, to rmati Rdhik so rasa will not be done. So, He left Rdhik and gops came there and saw Rdhik weeping. They had sympathy automatically. And they became one. And they are singing these lokas. No? Now, they are weeping that we want to see Your smiling face again and we want to dance with You. vraja-janrti-han vra yoit nija-jana-smaya-dhvasana-smita bhaja sakhe bhavat-kikar sma no jala-ruhnana cru daraya [O You who destroys the sorrows of the residents of Vraja; O best among heroes, the beam of whose mere smile shatters the pride of Your near and dear ones, which arises from good fortune, and from the sulky mood (mna) arising from that pride. O dear friend, please fulfill the desire of Your maidservants. At least this once, kindly show us helpless girls Your attractive lotus face and make us happy. Gop Gta (6)] We want to see Your smiling face. White face. But if You are not showing Your smiling face we pray one thing, that You should keep Your lotus feet on our body. Here they are telling, gops: praata-dehin ppa-karaa ta-carnuga r-niketanam phai-pharpita te padmbuja ku kuceu na kndhi hc-chayam [Your lotus feet remove all the past sins of embodied beings who surrender to them, and they chase after the cows and calves that graze in the pastures. Those lotus feet are the abode of Lakm-dev, the goddess of wealth and beauty, and You placed them even upon the hoods of a serpent (Kliya). Please place those very lotus feet upon our breasts, and subdue our sufferings that have arisen from the lust in our hearts. [Gop Gta (7)] So they are telling that, "You should keep Your lotus feet on our breast, on our head, or on anywhere." It is a sign of love. No? Ka is telling that, Oh, I can not do this. I have told you first to go to your husbands and serve your husbands. And tell them that (what) you are telling to us. I can not go against dharma." Understanding? "It is adharma and it will be ppa, sin, for Me. I can not do because I always protect dharma and you are telling Me to do against dharma. So, I can not do." Gops are praying. Here, one thing we should know. That gops are telling...gops hide their every wish in their heart. Every wish. They dont disclose to Ka or anyone. 16

Understand something? GBC: Yes. Srila Gurudeva: Ka wants that they should tell directly their heart things but they are not eager to tell it. So, Ka became outside but He is near, very near to gops and hearing everything. So in front of Ka always they hide. And Ka wants to hear from them all these things, that You should love, You should do vihra with us. We should ntya, dance, with us but always gops hide. They (are) always, niedha, quarrelling. Here they are telling clearly that give Your lotus feet on our breast. Why they are telling? They are not telling for themselves, but to please Ka they are telling. According to: anybhilit-nya jna-karmdy-anvtam nuklena knu-lana bhaktir uttam

["'When first-class devotional service develops, one must be devoid of all material desires, knowledge obtained by monistic philosophy, and furtive action. The devotee must constantly serve Ka favorably, as Ka desires.' (Madhya 19.167)] This loka, any ambition for our personal pleasure or happiness is against bhakti. Why they are wanting these things? For their pleasure enjoyment? No. Gops every thing is for Ka. And every action is to please Ka. Here also they are thinking that Ka is hiding but his ambition is to do like this. If a friend comes to us, I told him, Namin-krnsa, that Satsvarupa Prabhu has come and Udar Prabhu and this Prabhu has come. Go to (the) market and bring some very sweet fruits or anything. You told, Why you are bringing all these things? We have no appetite. I told, "I am not bringing for you. I daily used to bring for my hkuraji. So, I am brining it for my hkuraji." If I tell that I am bringing for you, it is out of etiqueitte and it is not a fact of love. No? So, I hide it and I told that I am bringing it for the service of Ka; but I am bringing all these things for you. It is a fact. So, gops are telling this (and) hiding that we are doing it for You. They are not telling. They are telling we are wanting for us because if we will tell that we are doing for Ka then He will certainly will not do this. No? Because Ka does everything to please gops so if we will tell we want to keep Your lotus feet on our head or anywhere, Ka will gladly accept. But if we will tell that for your pleasure we are doing so, Ka does not accept, will not accept. In any case. Understand these things? GBC: Yes. Srila Gurudeva: So, this is pure bhakti, uttam-bhakti and it is also more than uttam. Utmost level is this prema is. So, gops are telling Ka, hiding their hearts' bhva that for us You should keep your lotus feet on our breast. So, it is not against our... 17

Now we will return to our verse. praata-dehin ppa-karaa ta-carnuga r-niketanam phai-pharpita te padmbuja ku kuceu na kndhi hc-chayam [Your lotus feet remove all the past sins of embodied beings who surrender to them, and they chase after the cows and calves that graze in the pastures. Those lotus feet are the abode of Lakm-dev, the goddess of wealth and beauty, and You placed them even upon the hoods of a serpent (Kliya). Please place those very lotus feet upon our breasts, and subdue our sufferings that have arisen from the lust in our hearts. [Gop Gta (7)] Ka is telling, "I can not do because it is out of dharma, against dharma, santana-dharma, adyadharma. You should to your husband and fulfill your all these things by your husband. I can not do." Then gops said, Why? Because it is a sinful act. It has been prohibited in all stra and our i mui has told like this. We should not do. So, why I should do like this? It will touch sin to me." No? Then gopis are telling that, praata-dehin ppa-karaa ta-carnuga r-niketanam phai-pharpita te padmbuja ku kuceu na kndhi hc-chayam [Your lotus feet remove all the past sins of embodied beings who surrender to them, and they chase after the cows and calves that graze in the pastures. Those lotus feet are the abode of Lakm-dev, the goddess of wealth and beauty, and You placed them even upon the hoods of a serpent (Kliya). Please place those very lotus feet upon our breasts, and subdue our sufferings that have arisen from the lust in our hearts. [Gop Gta (7)] Those who are praata, praata means surrender, certainly pure surrendered soul. If anyone surrenders to Ka, Ka has done pratijm, promise, that, "I will take all sins." What sin can touch him? Because, sarva-dharmn parityajya mm eka araa vraja aha tv sarva-ppebhyo mokayiymi m uca [Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear. B.G. (18.66)] 18

sarva-ppebhyo mokayiymi m uca He has done promise like this. You have promised like this. Not only in rmad Bhagavad-gt, In Bhgavatam and all other Puras it has been stated by You. So if any surrendered soul is there and he takes only the name of Ka, Ka, Ka. All his sins goes away. Ka does not take any sin from devotees. By taking His name all sins are burnt, goes away. praata-dehin ppa-karaa ta-carnuga r-niketanam phai-pharpita te padmbuja ku kuceu na kndhi hc-chayam [Your lotus feet remove all the past sins of embodied beings who surrender to them, and they chase after the cows and calves that graze in the pastures. Those lotus feet are the abode of Lakm-dev, the goddess of wealth and beauty, and You placed them even upon the hoods of a serpent (Kliya). Please place those very lotus feet upon our breasts, and subdue our sufferings that have arisen from the lust in our hearts. [Gop Gta (7)] All sins are, what? GBC: Destoyed. Srila Gurudeva: Destroyed. So you will not have ppa. Because by surrendered all their sins have been burned. GBC: ppa-karaa Srila Gurudeva: ta-carnuga. It may be you are telling so, Ka is telling, but yet tacarnuga. My feets are so soft, so soft and it has fragrance but your breast are so hard and so warm that My feet can be burned. So, I can not keep My lotus feet there because They will be burned. And my feet are so su-komala, su-komala you know? Very very soft. Like the (patram-kamalam or ambuja-patra), the petal of lotus or, nalada, rose flower. More than that. Gops are telling, "You are telling lie. Certainly you are telling lie. You go to cowherd and You follow cows, grazing cows and You follow. You follow them in hills, mountains, in k-vana, thorns, forests, jungles. The cows ran so quickly they dont stay on paths. They go hither and thither. Where there is no thorns they dont think here are thorns or here are not. They can run anywhere. So deep so high, thorns, pebbles, like thorns. There You dont have any difficulty and Your feet are at that time also very soft, but You feel no difficulty. Is it a fact that our heart is more horrible than that jungle, mountains, pebbles? So, You can go and follow Your cows here and there in thorns, mountians, deep and high and You feel no trouble, but by keeping Your lotus feet on our breast You are feeling so difficulty?" 19

Then Ka told, rniketana, this is not darshan of Ka, this is darshana of gops, rniketana. Ka is telling that, "Oh, I can not keep these lotus feet on any others wife. You are not My married wives. So, I can not do it." "Why You keep your lotus feet in the laps of Lakm? Lakm is not wife. And in our case You are telling like this. So, You can keep Your feet in the laps, in the heart, of Lakm whether she is the wife of Nryaa. You are not feeling harm there that it is going against dharma. You are not seeing that, 'Nryaa will be angry with me.' Why you are keeping?" Why it is it they are describing this? There is a story behind it. That r means Lakm. Niketanam, niketanam means abode. Your feet are (the) abode of...Lakm is abode of Your feet, because Lakm always keeps Nryaa's feet in her lap. Why? Once, Vmanadeva had taken everything from Bali Mahrja. You know that...? GBC: Yes. Srila Gurudeva: He knew that I have deceived Bali Mahrja and I have taken everything and given it to devat, kingdom and everything. Now he is poor and sent him to Vitalaloka, uh, Vitalaloka? Sutala, Sutalaloka, with Prahlda Mahrja and Bali. He is always present there. He told that, Oh, Bali Mahrja, I want that I should give you (something). You can take anything that you like." Varada, you know? Varam you know? Varam means what you like you can ask. Benediction. So, "You can take any benedication from Me." Bali Mahrja said, Yes I want something. "What (do) you want? "I want that in Sutalaloka I have a great palace and in that palace there are 50 doors. When I will go and I will return I will not take. In the night I may, in the day, in morningany time I can go and come. You should always wait on all gates for day and night. When I comeandYou should always watch this. In other words, he captured Viu, Vmanadeva, in his 50 doors. He should always be there, day and night. He can not go anywhere. So, Vmanadeva used to be the gate keeper of Bali-Mahrja. Bali Mahrja sometimes used to go here and there and seeing, watching that He is doing his sergvice. He should not go for a moment any where. In Vaikuha Lakmdev was waiting for Nryaa. That He has done certain service for their devotees (devatas) but yet He has not returned. She was watching and watching but He was not returning because He was gatekeeper there. He was captured there. So, She was very sad. In the meantime Nrada came there and asked, "Why are you lamenting?" She told that, I am lamenting that my husband is not here. He told me that 'I am coming, returning soon,' but so many days, so many months, so many years are going to pass and He is not returning." "Oh, I know where He is. He has gone to do some mischief, or to cheat, Bali maharaja, a devotee of Ka. He has cheated him. He is now in the palace as a gatekeeper and for a moment He can 20

not leave that (place). So, He is there. How can I get my husband again? How will He be mukta, free from there? Nrada told something in her ear. Nrada tell thieves to steal and at the same time he tells householders to watch because today your things will be stolen, some thieves may come. At the same time. To one person he tells you should take and to another person he tells, you should watch. Both. So, he told Lakmdev something and She became so pleased. He kept her all dressed there and in the shape of a widow. Very white dress and (in a) lamenting mood She came to Bali Mahrja . In the morning Bali Mahrja was distributing, dna, charity. Any who can come and ask he can give anything to them. He has promised. So, so many persons were there and wanting something and he was distributing in charity. He saw that a very lamenting lady is there. She has no good clothes and she is lamenting there and she is not coming to me to ask but anything she wants he knew. So, when all went (away), after their departure, he called the lady. She came. Bali Mahrja did prama to that lady. He told, "Who are you? I think you are (a) brhmaa lady. You are so pious. Do you require anything?" She told that, Yes, brhmaa's wife. I am so sorry I have everything has gone away. So, I want something." "You can ask me." She told that, I will not ask until you give promise that 'I will give.'" He told that, I promise that what you will ask I will give you. Then She made a indication towards Vmanadeva and She told that, "I want Him. He is my husband. You have captured. I want back. You should make Him free so that I can live with Him." He began to laugh. He is a great, great cheater and you are cheater of cheaters. And at last he said, "Yes you can take Him. But He should live also here so that I may always see and may always worship (Him). I want." Then He (Vmanadeva) kept there His manifestation and He went to Vaikuha. So, now he is requesting Narayana, You should not go anywhere I am keeping Your feet here. So without my permission you should go because they cheat You." So, r-niketanam lakhs of Lakmdevs is abode of Nryaa, Ka. In other times they are saying that rmati Rdhik's lap is the abode of your very many things and why You have left that thing? They are accussing Ka here and also relating to that Nryaa story. You can keep Your feet in the lap of Lakmdev and Lakmdev is not Your 21

wife, yet You can do. Why You can not give Your lotus feet in our laps? Then Ka was defeated. Then again they told to keep His lotus feet on their breasts then Ka said that, "Your breasts are so much warm. So, I can not keep My feet there." Then they are telling, phai-pharpita means serpent and this is the hood. You can keep Your lotus feet, so soft and so fragrant and so, tala, cool, on the heads of Klya in which so much, via, poison (is there). There You feel no warm and it makes (the) whole world so burned (so that) all the birds in the sky which are flying go down and burned. So many cows, so many persons, so many buffalos and all things, even no trees there. All are (burned) but You feel some coldness there, on the hoods of Klya? Our (breast) is not so warm, yet You are feeling warm. Why? te padmbuja So, Ka is rising objections and they are cutting all the objections. ku kuceu So, you should keep no sinful. ta-carnuga Your feet are soft but yet You follow cows everywhere. r-niketanam You have no fear for keeping Your feet on the breast of Lakmdev. Kasa has sent him there to kill Ka so you but he could not do. So you have no fear of sin, you have no fear for adharma, you have no fear for agni, fire, poison, Kasasura (demon) You have no fear of anything. You are fearless. So, you can keep your lotus feet Ka became... Ka could not give answer to them. These answers. This is the meaning of this loka. GBC: praata-dehin when the were first saying it was sinful but then You are our life.and then we will die and then. end tape

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