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GBC: Sometimes, um, when we have greed to get something, then we think we want that thing and then we think that some of gurudevas services, um, we think that, "Well, without gurudevas mercy we can not get that thing" and so to get gurudevas mercy we are ready to do any sort of service. But then sometimes I feel that, um, then my service to gurudeva is not in the right mood because I am serving him to get something, not just to please him. Do you understand the question? So, how to address this? Srila Gurudeva: (There is) Some ... is in this question. We take mah-prasdam, we sleep, we take rest, do anything. Why we take mah-prasdam? This is guru-sev or not? If we sleep this is gurusev or not? If we want anything it is gurusev or not? We should think first. We should know that I am sleeping for the service of gurudeva. I am taking mah-prasdam for the service of gurudeva. I have greed I want to fulfill it for the service of gurudeva. Then what..? GBC: No contradiction Srila Gurudeva: No contradiction I think (giggle). Satsvarupa Maharaja you agree with me or not? Satsvarupa Maharaja: Yes. Srila Gurudeva: Certainly we are doing for gurudeva. Everything. We want to serve Rdh-Ka (but) this is not coming. At first it is called nikma, that we are not satisfied with this stage (rather), we want to serve Ka. Only for Rdh-Ka and gurudeva will be so much pleased with the service of Ka so we want all these things. So, greed is for service of our gurudeva and Rdh-Ka. I think like this. Once Mahrja Yudhihira prayed (to) Ka that I want something from You. Ka told that, "It is carya, (a very wonderful thing), that why you are wanting something from Me? I know you have never asked anything or prayed anything from Me but yet I see that you are wanting something. It is a fact of wonders. What it may be?" "I want something." "What you want?" He told that, "I want that I should have a very beautiful wife. And so qualified sons and daughters. And very good kingdom. Very good soldiers and everything. That I want. It will be so good that in whole world there should be not." Understand?

GBC: Yes. Srila Gurudeva: Huh? My English? GBC: Perfect. Srila Gurudeva: Ka told, Why you want so? This is kauna," means desire, "Why you are desiring the very beautiful lady, beautiful kingdom, all these things? He told, I see in a day that all are very afraid that one who devotes (themselves) to Ka becomes poor. Ka takes all good things and he becomes a street beggar. So, all fear and they don't want to serve Ka. So, I want that if I have a beautiful lady, wife, so much qualified sons and so much vast kingdom that all will see that by serving Ka all things areSo, I want that everyone can see how prosperous and how good I am with qualified wife, children and kingdom and all will come to serve Ka." If he had not done so, and only he prayed (to) Ka that, "Give me this and this and this," then anyone can be misguided. But if he told this fact and he had so much anartha that his everything is what? He calls Ka, in r Bhad-bhgavatmta it is stated, that Yudhihira Mahrja, Draupad, Arjuna and all are praying that, "Oh Ka save me, save me. So many dangerous things have come from Duryodhana with the help of Jarsandha and all other demons. They have done atikramam to us, attacked us. So, save me." Draupad is feeling so much shame, she should be protected. Actually there was nothing there. They are pretending only that Ka anyhow should come and we can serve Him. So, they created something so that Ka may come there. So all the calamity for Yudhihira Mahrja and for the Pavas are for the service of Ka. So bhva-bhaktas, those who are surrendered souls, surely surrendered souls, what they miss, what they do, they do for Kas service and gurudevas service. Kas service is gurudevas service and gurudevas service is for Ka and Rdh. No difference at all. Anything wrong? GBC: Well, an additional question to that would be, But we have to know, but gurudeva has to say , 'Yes, this service to me.' If I say I am doing this for gurudeva, dont I have to know from him that he accepts this service?" Srila Gurudeva: If you are so qualified devotee of your gurudeva he will tell surely. GBC: Even if he is not present physically. Srila Gurudeva: But if (you) are not so qualified you will know it afterward. A man is preaching, a devotee is preaching. Why he is preaching? He is preaching for his gurudeva because he will (be) pleased. He is telling hari-kath to anyone, he is doing anything, he is only preaching doing and serving; everything is for his guru. r Gurudeva. And this pleasure of gurudeva is the pleasure of Rdh and Ka. Likewise,

in r Bhad-bhgavatmta we see that Gopa-kumra came to, jansarma, Mathur by the order of rmati Rdhik. So if jansarma is serving gurdeva he is serving to rmati Rdhik but he does not know that rmati Rdhik has sent him and he has come. And he is himself Ka. So, guru is very near and dear. What he does he does for Ka. So, the devotees should know that the service of guru is service of Rdh-Ka. If he is feeling separate desire then he is not guru at all. Mmm? If gurudeva has any separate wish than to serve Rdh-Ka, then, in my vision, he is not gurudeva. There is something lacking. He may be madhyama-adhikr, (but) he is not uttama-adhikr. tomara icchaya mora iccha misailo bhakativinoda aja apane bhulilo [My desire has become one with Yours. From this day Bhaktivinoda has no other identity. Aham Mama Saba Arthe (8)] rla Bhaktivinoda hkura is telling that, "I am mixed my whole wishes in your wishes. tomara icchaya mora iccha misailo bhakativinoda aja apane bhulilo rla Bhaktivinoda hkura is telling that, "At that time, when I mixed my all wishes to Ka, I will forget myself, that I am rla Bhaktivinoda hkura, (and) then I will remember I am Kamala manjari. Uh (giggles)? GBC: Yes. Srila Gurudeva: But always we should practice vaidhi-bhakti also. Those bhaktis who are opposite of this bhva, only they should be avoided. Otherwise, all vaidhi-bhakti should be adopted. They are essential. r-prahrda uvca ravaa krtana vio smaraa pda-sevanam arcana vandana dsya sakhyam tma-nivedanam iti pusrpit viau

bhakti cen nava-laka kriyeta bhagavaty addh tan manye dhtam uttamam [Prahlda Mahrja said: Hearing and chanting about the transcendental holy name, form, qualities, paraphernalia and pastimes of Lord Viu, remembering them, serving the lotus feet of the Lord, offering the Lord respectful worship with sixteen types of paraphernalia, offering prayers to the Lord, becoming His servant, considering the Lord ones best friend, and surrendering everything unto Him (in other words, serving Him with the body, mind and words) these nine processes are accepted as pure devotional service. One who has dedicated his life to the service of Ka through these nine methods should be understood to be the most learned person, for he has acquired complete knowledge. S.B. (7.5.23-24)] And among 64 kinds of bhakti which are something opposite to any sthy bhva then they should be checked. GBC: Do you know the story of Ka dasa babaji. Srila Gurudeva: What Ka dasa Babaji? GBC: He was about 150 years ago. He was, uh, I heard from one old gauya vaiava. He was a siddha-purua he was in uh Srila Gurudeva: To whom he was disciple? GBC: I didnt ask that. Srila Gurudeva: He is in our guru-parampar? GBC: Who told me? Or Ka dasa Babaji? Srila Gurudeva: Who Ka dasa Babaji? GBC: OK, maybe I wont tell that part. Ill just ask directly the question. Um... Srila Gurudeva: Something of Ka dasa Babaji Mahrja we avoid. Your gurudeva also used to avoid. Something. Only his chanting of harinma. (pointing to someone else) This Ka dasa babaji Mahrja you have told this story? GBC(a): Different one. GBC: No, this one, this was about 150 years before. Srila Gurudeva: Who has told you? GBC: UmDna-bandhu Mahrja. Srila Gurudeva: Who is Dna-bandhu? He has no described by any sahajiy vaiava.

rla Bhaktisiddhnta Sarasvat hkura, Bhaktivinoda hkura, Vivantha Cakravart hkura, Baladeva Vidybhaa hkura, Narottama dsa hkura, these are of 150 or 200 years. rla Bhaktivinoda hkura is from about 100 years. He was about 100 years before. He was present but he has not accepted all these things. We should accept only guru-parampar, that is mnya-vidhin for all these things. No? Only mnya-vidhin. rla Bhaktivinoda hkura is in mnya-vidhin, rla Baladeva Vidybhaa hkura is also less than 150 years. Jaganntha dsa Babaji Mahrja, Gaurakiora Dsa Bbj Mahrja, rla Prabhupda Bhaktisiddhnta Sarasvat hkura, if there was anything they might have told these facts. GBC: So, Ka dasa Babaji is an example of someone who fell down. I'm not quoting him as authority. I'm telling what calamity happened to him and what my fear is. So, you can guide me. But I dont need to tell his story. I can just ask the question. Srila Gurudeva: About jackfruit? Govindaji? GBC: No, (chuckles). Srila Gurudeva: What? GBC: So, I will just ask the question. Srila Gurudeva: No, no, you can tell GBC: I can tell the background? He supposed to be a siddha-purua and meditation was aa-klya-ll. Then some friend of his invited him to go to Dvrak. So, he thought, "OK, I will go to Dvrak." And he decorated himself with the four symbols of Viu and he went to Dvrak. Then afterwards when he returned to Vraja and when he tried to meditate he couldnt get back that (aa-klya-)ll and for some days he couldnt succeed. Then one night Lalit-dev came to him in a dream and she told him that you have been cut from the list of Vraja. Then he felt very much seperation and then some fire started to come from his feet and he called some devotees to come to bring some paraphenelia for yaja and he just consumed himself in fire. So, my question is this: That some devotees are requesting me to go to Dvrak for some preaching function and especially since I heard this story I feel just afraid to go. Not that I am on any platform. So, I wanted your advice whether to go and if I do go what should be my mood or what should be my prayer if I go? Srila Gurudeva: You should go. Certainly go and do preaching. No harm. It is your duty because we are not in that stage. GBC: Yeah, I know. Srila Gurudeva: If we are in that stage then we should not go. And you are not going to worship Rukmi. You are going only to do paracra-nma of Ka name. And there

you will tell certainly that Nanda-nanda is Supreme Lord. Uh? GBC: Yes. Srila Gurudeva: And his is rasika and Dvrakdha is part of manifestion of Vrajanandana. You are going to do service of your gurudeva. But when you are in that mood, nothing to do, only to think (about) Rdh and Ka, not to leave Vndvana, and not to think any thing (emphasis added). Then you should go. But you are going hither and thither preaching and actual greed is not there. If there is actual greed then greed dont think anything whether it is bad or good or bad thing or nothing. It becomes desperate at all. If wrong, I will do wrong. To fulfill that greed. (If) It is bad or good, no sense is there. I will have, whether it is good or bad. No stra yukti. Nothing, anything. That is pure bhakti. I will do to any sin or anything to (any) extent but I want to have this. By theft, by dacoity, or by good will, or by sadachara or anything, I must have.

He is telling, Prabhodnanda Sarasvat, or anyone, it has been written in r ikaka and rla Rpa Gosvm's r Upademta, janmo yatha tathyam. (If) anyone is telling against me, no harm. If anyone is praising (me), no harm. They should say what they like, but I want this. This is greed. So if greed comes then it cant be thought that, I should go or not. Why I am going. But we know that we are not in such a stage that we should not go. It will come after so many births. If (it) comes, we will think that we are very, very fortunate. Greed is something. Certainly, greed is, but it is very lean and thin. There should be knowldege hearing the pastimes and hari-kath of vaiavas who have greed. By kalpan, imagination, can not do; (thinking) that, I have greed, laks an will go, with pride, "I have come." Anything more? GBC: We were just talking about questions and I think Mahrja... Srila Gurudeva: Have you done your vicra there? Very well? GBC: Better than usual. Srila Gurudeva: Some devotees have taken harinma or dk there. They have adopted. Not anything more? We should try to read the books of rla Vivantha Cakravart hkura, Narottama dsa hkura. It will be very, very (good). And we should do vaidhi-bhakti with heart. rla Bhaktivinoda hkura and Narottama dsa hkura have written that those persons who will do vaidhi-bhakti accordingly and sincerely, they will enter into rgnuga-bhakti. They are given assurance. Those who will do vaidhi-bhakti sincerely, they will have

association of a rgnuga-bhakta. By hearing the pastimes and hari-kath they will enter into rgnuga. Our goal is that but standard and qualification should also (come). So, there is no hurry for this. You should not have the sahajiy. We have to follow the path according to our gurudeva and guru-parampar. GBC: I think that it is too late to say there is no hurry for us. It is too late to say that now. I think maybe Mahrja is doing a little cheating (chuckling). Srila Gurudeva: No, No. No cheating at all. There are so persons I can cheat, but no. GBC: Now in rla Rpa Gosvm's prayers, he prayed to Subala for the service of rmati Rdhik and Ka. He prays to Lalit-dev, Vikh, and Subala. But Subala has some mdhurya. He is a priya-narma sakh so he has some access in that. Now, if someone is not in that rsa, either in mdhurya or priya-narma sakh, but he is an associate of Ka, can a sdhaka pray to him to appeal to Ka to give him some bhva of some higher rsa, or is that considered not appropriate to approach someone who is not in the same rsa that one aspires for? Srila Gurudeva: More clearly. GBC: Say, rla Rpa Gosvm has prayed to Subala, so Subala actually has access to that. But say we visit temples where there may be dieties of associates of Ka but who are not in that rsa, but is it a fact that because they are Kas associates, even if they are not in that rsa, they could ask Ka to give that to somebody else. Srila Gurudeva: rla Rpa Gosvm, r Raghuntha Dsa Gosvm, also Jva Gosvm in his Sakalpa-kalpadruma, rla Vivantha Cakravart hkura has also written some Sakalpa-kalpadruma. They have prayed so many things and prayed to all what you are telling. We can read and do stava-stutis of that points. But, rla Rpa Gosvm has written that: h dev! kku-bhara-gadgadaydya vc yce nipatya bhuvi daavad udbharti asya prasdam abudhasya janasya ktv gndharvike! nija-gae gaan vidhehi [O Dev Gndharvik! I am suffering greatly, and therefore today I throw myself on the ground like a stick and humbly implore You with a choked voice to be merciful to this fool and please count me as one of Your own. r Gndharv-Samprrthanakam (2)] That is the most superior, highest prrthan of Rdh-Ka. lnm nikuja-kuhare bhavatm mukunde citraiva scitavat rucirks i nham bhugn bhruvam na racayeti mrs -rus am tvm agre vrajendra-tanayasya kadnunes ye [When, as You playfully hide in a forest cave, and Citr hints that now, O beautiful-eyed

one, You are trapped by Mukunda, and I say, "Don't knit Your eyebrows," will I lead You, as You feign anger, into the presence of the prince of Vraja? r Stavamala (Vol 2. {r Gndharv-prrthanaka} Verse 7)] Once, rla Rpa Gosvm, is telling: that once rmati Rdhik was hiding in a Vndvana or Govardhana kuja. She fled away from Ka and hid herself in any kuja. Ka was searching for Rdh; Lalit-dev, Vikh and all were there. They were like this, clapping, and enjoying. Sometimes they tell Ka (that) rmati Rdhik is there. Actually She is there but Ka knows She is not here so He does not go there, He goes to another kuja; then they all are clapping. They know that rmati Rdhik is there. So, likewise, they are clapping and laughing at r Ka. At last Citr, one of the eight sakhs, indicates that she is hiding in this special kuja. Ka, having faith, He went there but Rdhik is not knowing actually who had told Ka that I am here. Rpamajar was at the gate of that kuja. She called Rpa-majar and told, "Why you let this sacred place to Ka?" And She became somewhat angry to Rpa-majar. Rpa-majar at once told rmati Rdhik praying, that, Why You are so angry upon me? I have not done so. Citr has done so. So You should be angry with Citr. Why to me? I have not done so." This is the very highest thinking and a very good service to rmati Rdhik. They want, and Rpa-majar also wanted, that Ka should meet Her and Citr had done good. Rpa-majar also. And by doing so outwardly rmati Rdhik will be anger something but She will be so much pleased. They know (this). But yet she is telling that, "You should not be angry with me. I have not done so. You should have mercy upon me." What should we do with this point? Should we neglect this point? Or we should read and chant these things like mantra? What should we do? If you have a little bit of greed, rgnuga, we should read and read and read. Daily we should read. And this is called istal-stuti. If I have greed we should do all these things that a greed a may come to me. And when our fortune will come, it will be like so and have the mercy of Rpa-majar and Rpa Gosvm. So we should read and recite all these things. It is also a kind of bhakti. By reciting their poems their stava and stuti we will be very care. But I am sakh, I am going to enter into this we (should be careful). When our siddhabhva and rati that is in rgtmik gaa, Lalit, Vikh, all are rgtmik associates of Ka and Rdhik. We should not be one of them. But we should think and do krtana, stava, stuti of all these things. If you are thinking that we are one of them but you have not gained the bhva that is in rgtmik gaa that is hldin and samvit. The sram, essence of hldin and samvit, that is called prema and it is always in rgtmik gaa. When it comes as a shadow of prema it is called rati or bhva. Then we should do all these things that I am a gop, or what you are. At that time you will know your svarpa. So, before these things we should not pretend to do all these things. We should try to achieve all these things by the service of our gurudeva, vaiavas, stra and we should

do. (question about samdhi? Noisy, unclear sound). Srila Gurudeva: (apnajna) means "what is known in samdhi." Not perception dont you know? GBC: Yes, direct perception. Srila Gurudeva: Yes, seeing that whole eyes it is written, it is apnajna. And samdhi, realized in samdhi, and what we write. These are apnajna, and then (there are) puras. Pura has so many qualities. rmad Bhgavatam has 10 qualities and other puras have 5. What has happened before and it historical fact, it is called itihas, such as puras. So, he is telling that it is all things combined. Sun is running after his wife son there. Sunday is time when sun is going to set. This is uppa. Real Bhgavatam has been written so many things. Similarly, Bhaktivinoda hkura has written all these things. Everything is there. So no harm. Narottama dsa hkura because he has seen everything in samdhi, everything, that siddhnta and Ka ll pastimes, Caitanya Mahprabhu and all siddhnta bhakti. No? So it is apnajna. So, Rpa has changed the name, but name was real, it may be. So here it is Rpa but yet it is two. GBC: I was telling him that I was reading Panjavali... Srila Gurudeva: Panjavali? GBC: Yes. I was telling him that that book was so wonderful. Srila Gurudeva: You are reading in English, with commentaries? GBC: No book has any commentary. Srila Gurudeva: No commentary? GBC: No. All of the books have no commentaries that are in English. Srila Gurudeva: There are short commentaries. All books of gosvms are so much rich and useful that we can get help from. GBC: That book is clear that Rpa Gosvm has written just for the sake of those who are, in the future, who will be doing that sdhana. He wrote that book. Srila Gurudeva: Rpa Gosvm, Narottama gosvm, Jva Gosvm, Raghuntha Dsa Gosvm, Ka dasa gosvm, Vivantha Cakravart hkura, so much vaiava that anyone if they can very good. Without reading all these books but qualified vaiava. GBC: It is not possible to become qualified without reading those books. Srila Gurudeva: Especially in rgnuga bhakti. And the purpose of vaidhi-bhakti is also rgnuga. All have been told. Not to be confined in whole life, afterlife, and finding.

They will do paracra by vaidhi-bhakti it will follow rgnuga, try First you can. They have finished it in one day we have five or six days. You have English books. This is really for practicing rgnuga (in the) first stage. And very essential. I am a sdhaka, not siddha. Svmji or Guruji was siddha. They are independent by reading (or) by doing anything. We have not seen our gurudeva reading any book; but we have seen that he has read books many books. Bhakti-rasmta-sindhu, Ujjvala-nlamai, and all these books. (I could not see when he was reading these books, but I know he was reading). Svmji maharaja was also always reading. Not a single minute he was (not). They are siddha-purua. They have come from... We read, we think, we hear, (and) then we can tell it. What they told,what they have said, no need to see whether it is wrong or right. They will conclude they are right, what they have written or told. GBC: I have a question about writing. I like to write books about our rla Prabhupda. Mostly these books are of memories of being with him or some reflections about his work. But this is all in his form as we know him in this world. I do not know his eternal liberated form. So, one question is: Is it alright to go on writing many books about Prabhupda in the form I knew him? And the other question is: How can I begin approach Prabhupda in writing to understand his eternal spiritual form? Two questions. Are these books valuable just about the memories of him as we knew him? Srila Gurudeva: I think that the ideas of Rpa Gosvm and other gosvms, (such as) Vivantha Cakravart hkura and all gosvms, their spiritual idea of svmji... So, the ideas of all gosvms are (the same) ideas of svmji. He wanted to do paracra of all these things. So, the inner ideas of svamaji is (also the) inner ideas of all gosvms. So you can do all these things. He has done a lot of things. Mostly he has done only for general people. Something he has done in rmad Bhagavad-gt for special persons, qualified persons. Otherwise, when time came to give his pen to these things he went away. He could not have time to do all these things. So, all the ideas of our gosvm, Bhaktivinoda hkura and all others, his ideas are the same. Every ideas from rmad Bhgavata commentary, you can take and see what he wants. In his writing. He has not done anything especially for rgnuga. And at that time he had no need at all to do all these things. You can read authentic books. Now in the market so many kinds of nonsense things are coming. As sahajiy, we should not follow sahajiy. You can do all these things. Bhad-bhgavatmta. r Bhakti-rasmta-sindhu, your Prabhupda has written? GBC: Yes. Srila Gurudeva: He has written very short or all lokas he has? GBC: Actually, it is all there. He covered everything. Srila Gurudeva: Like first loka:

anybhilit-nya jna-karmdy-anvtam nuklena knu-lana bhaktir uttam [When first-class devotional service develops, one must be devoid of all material desires, knowledge obtained by monistic philosophy, and furtive action. The devotee must constantly serve Ka favorably, as Ka desires. (Madhya 19.167)] Here, Rpa Gosvm, or Vivantha Cakravart hkura, has given his commentaries and without commentaries I think it is not completed. We can not take complete thing. nulana means... GBC: Cultivation. Srila Gurudeva: He has given that any word, the root of every word. To go to come. There are so many meanings of one root. Your mind is going off? Your mind goes not only walking by foot. The root covers so many meanings. So here, nulana has so meanings. Vast many meanings in his stomach. Here one meaning is ce (which) means activities of (the) mind. Activities of body, senses and activities of tongue. Also, there are two kinds of meanings. These are special words. (This) means (things to do). With tongue, mind and senses. And (this) means not to do by all these things. We should not meet with the persons who have no bhakti. Those who are sahajiy, those who are mayvd, and not to do against bhakti. These are (the) meaning(s). And one meaning is that not doing by three things, but (this). (This) means ce, which means activities, no activities; I can not tell any more special word. Bhvtmik you know? Prema is and bhva is bhvtmik. Tongue mind and by body, bhva can not come. It is beyond the reach of all these things. Ka is my priyatama. I am Rdhik ds, and I like to serve rmati Rdhik and Ka and all the associates. Here, mind, body and anything can not do. This will come from a rgtmik-bhakta who is rgtmik-jna. Lalit, Vikh, rdm, Subala. GBC: Paricara. (Break in tape) Srila Gurudeva: By following, by prayer and by the mercy of Ka and His associates. Until this comes, bhva will not come. And at that time, only mental imagination only. It is somewhat better but it can not take place of bhva. When bhva will come, then bhvtmik bhva will come. And from bhva to prema, sneha, mna, praaya, rga, anurga, bhva, mahbhva. To there all are including bhva. So, uttam-bhakti goes up to mahbhva. Beginning from rati or bhva. So these are not in activities of mental or bodily things. So this is called nulana. Not only to Ka; Ka and His associates both. If you only culture Ka, no bhakti. If you lift Ka and take all the associates it will not (be). But it will be because gops are not separate; or His associates are not separate. So all these things should be taken. And nulana nu means nirantara, continuously, without any stop. In Hindi we can say (quote); if there is honey and we are lifting the bottle and a limb comes up to last point. No break. This is called (Hindi quote).

When my mna do smaraa or krtana or do bhakti nulana, it will be like this, continuous. Then uttam bhakti. And if in the middle or anything cut, then it is not uttam bhakti. It may madhyama or kaniha bhakti. nu means anugatya in (the) guidance of rasika-tattva-siddhnta-vaiava. Until it is not done bhakti is not uttam bhakti. Madhyama is not there. So always under the guidance of (vaiava). Guidance are of two kinds. Direct and indirect. Now, you are in guidance of your gurudeva indirectly. But anyhow it will be told directly also. Not indirectly. He will give everything in your heart if you have so much bhakti. Directly as a ik-guru in the absence of dk-guru. But faith will be the same as in our dk-guru and ik-guru but they should be both qualified in (the) same category. Otherwise by imitation we can not do rddha to anyone like that. Like Santana Gosvm is dk-guru and Rpa Gosvm is ik-guru. Both are in (the) same level. No problem is there. So that we can correct and we can have so much faith in his words that we will not go hither and thither. What he will tell well take as (truth). GBC: Yes, without doubt. There is no doubt. Srila Gurudeva: No doubt at all. One thing also he has written. Why anybhilit is told there? Why not anybhil? (The root) word is anybhil but Rpa Gosvm he has written anybhilit. What is the meaning of anybhilit? skd-dharitvena samasta-strair uktas tath bhvyata eva sadbhi kintu prabhor ya priya eva tasya vande guro r cararavindam [All the scriptures proclaim r Gurudeva is skt hari, the direct potency of r Hari, and is thus considered by saintly authorities to be His non-different representative. Because r Gurudeva is so dear to the Lord, being His confidential servitor (acintyabhedbheda- praka-vigraha, the inconceivable different and non-different worshipable manifestation of the Lord), I offer prayers unto his lotus feet. r Gurvaakam (7)] One word is hari but here it is written haritvena. Here haritvena means the qualities of hari; this is haritvena not directly hari. So guru has the qualities of hari but he is actually dsahari (servant). Not actually Ka. Here, what is the meaning of anybhil? GBC: Without separate motive. Srila Gurudeva: (Other) than serving Ka and His associates. He is not telling this. He is telling anybhilit. Anybhilit means when you are in sense, no problem at all, quite in good health and body and mind, if you are, no problem is there. And at that time if you do anybhil it is called anybhil. But when you are in danger, at once you fell in danger, some wicked persons came and they try to kill you and at that time, by fear you are telling that, Oh Ka save me. That it is not anybhilit. No? In your sense no problem at all, if you desire anything that, "Oh Ka save me. If you are in good health and everything is right; if you are wanting something then it is anybhil. No? But anybhilit if you are not in everything is right and like I have told you, in calamity, if you for a moment you want anything and after that you repent. That I have told so. It is not anybhil; so anybhil should be removed. There should be no inner

part for always you have another; but in danger, or anything, if you tell, "Oh Ka save me, give me something for your sev or anything," then it is not opposite to bhakti. Understand this? I have no suitable words to clarify. GBC: Yes. Srila Gurudeva: If any vaiava gives up his body, that is he is no more, he has died. If anyone wants to do rddha it is against the cult of vaiavas. No rddha should be done because he has chanted harinma he has heard the rmad Bhgavatam kath, always he has done gurusev, he has done everything. So, actually there should be no rddha. But for general mass, having no rddha in rddha and he for the general mass, together if he does rddha having no rddha at all and if he does then it is not against bhakti. It is for preaching only. So it is not anybhil. So I think that Svmji has not clear all these things. He has written in summary. So, if you can do it according to Vivantha Cakravart hkura, Jva Gosvm, giving all these things clearly, it will be so useful for all these things. He has done in stra, so you can do (more explanations). I wanted to do all these things but health is not permitting me. I have no so much things that you have and all other things you can do. At first we have to know...so many lot of service of gurudeva is there. We can invent sev. GBC: So many of our books which are being translated now have no commentaries. And the commentaries are so important. Srila Gurudeva: Without commentary no soul is GBC: Yes Srila Gurudeva: Any book of gosvms. We have read ikaka but when we read commentary of rla Bhaktivinoda hkura everything is clear. GBC: Sarva Babana had translated it with the commentary of Bhaktivinoda hkura. END TAPE Transcribed: Devananda dsa August 2012