1991_11_19_VRINDAVAN_DARSHAN TAPE_20

GBC: I have one question Mahrja. Srila Gurudeva: What? GBC: You mentioned how majars who are not kmtmika. Srila Gurudeva: No, I have not told so. GBC: How they are. You mentioned how they are. Srila Gurudeva: Yes. GBC: So, the symptoms of kmtmika are embracing, glancing, but the Srila Gurudeva: All they are getting through rmati; by seeing everything. GBC: What is there, um. Srila Gurudeva: Everything is there, but it is through rmati. If Ka is meeting rmati, they think that we are meeting with Ka. All the symptoms that Rdhik, rmati, has (then) every symptom is manifested in sakhs. Not understand? GBC: No, I understand, uh, do they have a uh... What is their mood when they see Ka directly? Srila Gurudeva: They get more thing. No question of directly. After world you will know. Everything will not be known. So, it has been warned that those who have no lobha (greed) they should not read, see, hear nor do anything. Because they want to taste it as they are in this body but this is not the thing of this body. And if any greed comes {*nahi} str (scriptures) yukti (logical arguments) nothing worldly yukti . Nothing is apek (reliance on); nothing is there to wait for all these things. I want to go there very quickly. No? Then I will not go by this path, I will go straight, whether there are thorns or anything. I will not go by this way or that way. Understand? GBC: Yes. Srila Gurudeva: This question is like this, I should go by here and there and here. They dont want to wait (for) anything. There is no English word here with me so that I can express my idea. Here I can express in Hindi or Bangla. Can you explain what I want to (say)? GBC: I think you are saying that when there is greed then one goes directly without need of any other prompting. Not even scriptures... He wont need even to hear from the scripture he will go because of his own greed. That is what I understood. And so, if there 1

are too many questions about why or any doubt then this means no greed. Srila Gurudeva: Then there is no greed. And actually I have no greed, something (giggles). If I have greed to anything and a question will arise that, "It is not so beautiful not so sweet." He will tell that, "No mind. I will have to take that thing." That is greed. This is going on as a class. As a general class. These things can not be told in this general class. What should I tell? So many persons, so many persons. I hesitate to tell all these things. Very, very hidden things. Next 20th loka. What is the loka? (Vilapa-kusumanjali) We have (reviewed up to) about 17th loka.
ati-su-lalita-laksaslista-saubhagya-mudratatibhir adhika-tustya cihniti-krtya bahu nakha-dalita-haridra-garva-gauri priyam me caranakamala-sevam ha kada dasyasi tvam
[O queen whose fair complexion scratches with its nails the pride of yellou turmeric when happily marking my arms with auspicious markings embraced by charming red lac will You give me the dear service of Your lotus feet? Vilapa-Kusumanjali (17)]

We have come to this loka, now rmati Rdhik, with her companions, associates, have returned from nisanta-lila. Ka has also returned to his Yaod bhavana (home), sleeping so fast. rmati is also sleeping so sweet nidr (sleep). She is in... Raghuntha Dsa Gosvm, he is in a mood of a sdhaka but he fills all these things of siddha. The things are of siddha but he is trying to get as if a sdhaka wants. In the mood of sdhaka. He wants to serve rmati Rdhik. She has returned with rmati. She is in sleep but he is not sleeping. He is thinking (about) the other sev when, "She will awake what should I do?" So, he is preparing all these things when She will awake. So, he is thinking and praying that sev I should do.
praksalya pada-kamalam krta-danta-kastam snanartham anya-sadane bhavatim nivistam abhyajya-gandhitatarair iha taila-puraih prodvartayisyati kada kim u kinkariyam
[When will this maidservant brush Your teeth with a twig wash Your lotus feet and when You have entered another room massage You with scented oil? Vilapa-kusumanjali (Text 20)]

She is telling, kim u kinkariyam. u means Oh. "Oh, Rdhe! I am kinkari (maidservant) that (is) my self. I am (nandisa). I am kinkari. I want to do some sev. 2

When She will awake I will first amend when She awakes. He takes some water (and puts) on (Her) mouth, eyes. When we from sleep awake, we do prama to our respected gurudeva first. And then guru-parampar from under to top. Guru, paramguru, parapara-guru and to Ka and to Rdhik, Vraja, and all the places of Vraja. All the kinkaris of Ka, rmati Rdhik, and the associates of Caitanya Mahprabhu, Navadvpa dhma, (and the) associates of Puri. All we do prama. Then (we say the) vande ha (Magalcaraa prayer page 1 of r Gauya Gti-guccha). This loka and any other lokas which we love. Then we go to (the) bathroom and do all these things. Here he is waiting for rmati Rdhik. He has brought very good water, scented water. Some oil mixed with champhor, very soft and scented, to do like this and everything. All these things. Very red leaves of mango and other things. Here we think we should know that rmati Rdhik's svarpa is bhva maiy. Everything of rmati Rdhik, (from) top to bottom, (is) of Ka prema. So, she is called bhva maiy. In Caitanya-caritmta it has been stated: prema (indistinct) of Raghuntha Dsa Gosvm. That from Caitanya-caritmta it has been told that: (reading from book) rmati Rdhik's everything is of mahbhva mahbhva maiy rmati Rdhik.
hldinra sra prema, prema-sra bhva bhvera parama-kh, nma mah-bhva
[The essence of the hldin potency is love of God, the essence of love of God is emotion [bhva], and the ultimate development of emotion is mahbhva. CC di (4.68)]

mahbhva-svarp r-rdh-hkur sarva-gua-khani ka-knt-iromai

[r Rdh hkur is the embodiment of mahbhva. She is the repository of all good qualities and the crest jewel among all the lovely consorts of Lord Ka. CC di (4.69)]

So, she is of mahbhva svarpine.

hldinra sra aa, tra prema nma nanda-cinmaya-rasa premera khyna
[The most essential part of this pleasure potency is love of Godhead [prema]. Consequently, the explanation of love of Godhead is also a transcendental mellow full of pleasure.

CC Madhya (8.159)]

premera parama-sra mahbhva jni sei mahbhva-rp rdh-hkur

[The essential part of love of Godhead is called mahbhva, transcendental ecstasy, and that ecstasy is represented by rmat Rdhr. CC Madhya (8.160)]

mahbhva Ujjvala cinta Ujjvala-bhva is rmati Rdhik. She takes three times bath. So, her body becomes so beautiful by snna; snna means bath. In the morning, in the noon, and in sandhy, evening. Raghuntha Dsa Gosvm tells it from (his) inner most tm. We can only imagine it from outside. There would be some wrong idea but we should try to avoid wrong ideas and to take the inner meaning of all these things. When bhva comes not a smell of our suk (happiness) is there. Understanding? GBC: Yes. Srila Gurudeva: Nothing. No selfishness. Nothing is there. So there is no smell of kma there. So, there should be no anything, worldly thing, in that thing. Raghuntha Dsa Gosvm is on the same level and so he is thinking all these things. He is now, Raghuntha Dsa Gosvm, is seeing something. When he returns, Svminji returns from nisanta-lila and (She is) sleeping. After some time She sees that Mukhar is coming. Who is Mukhar? GBC: Grandmother of Rdhik. rla Gurudeva: Grandmother of Rdhik. She loves Rdhik more than her mother; no(t) less than her mother. Her mother doesnt come daily to see rmati Rdhik, but she comes and always loves rmati. When it was morning and sun was to rise, she comes, Oh, pautrm! Pautrni! Where are you? Where are you?" Pautrm means granddaughter. "Oh, my lovely Granddaughter where are You? Where are You? She receives no response. She thinks that she is in sleep. Why she is in sleep? Sun is to rise. All the eastern horizon becomes red. She should now awake. But still she saw that Lalit, Vikh, Citr all are waiting for (the) waking of rmati Rdhik. They told that she is sleeping. She at once called Jail-dev and both goes there. But Jail is somewhat behind and she enters at once. Jail can not go directly (because) she is mother-in-law. So, there is some shame (reservation) to wait. But she can not wait. From childhood, when rmati Rdhik was with no cloth, nothing, and she was protecting and loving and 4

nursing rmati Rdhik. So there is nothing to see whether she is naked or anything. She enters. All the sakhs are waiting for rmati Rdhik. She began to cry. Who? Mukhar began to cry, What I am seeing? It is very wonderful (strange). Yesterday, in the evening, I saw that (a) thin, yellow shawl was on the neck of Ka, here. Why it is on the body of rmati Rdhik? Why?" She was astonished. She is old lady but knows everything. She has passed this stage. So she was at once (was) astonished and she was confused. Whether it is of Ka. I saw it yesterday. So, in her mind it came that how that same shawl came on rmati Rdhik's body. She came and told Vikh and Lalit all heard this. They thought that, "Oh, surely this is the shawl of Ka. We have not used to mark that thing otherwise we would have removed it but we have no chance. We have no our attention towards this thing. What to do?" Vikh at once did something. She said, You are (an) old lady. Quite (an) old lady and in old age the intelligence (buddhi) becomes upset. Upset buddhi means? GBC: Fool. Srila Gurudeva: Not fool. She can not say (that) because Mukhar is like her grandmother. But she told her that, "The power of your eyes has been diminished; about to be vanished. You are not clearly seeing. You dont see that rays of sun are coming and rays of young, rising sun, like (indistinct). So, rmati's ptmbara, not ptmbara but umbar, is nla, nlambar, blue, but yet some rays mix with it to appear yellow. Oh, see, see, the suns rays are raising." She did like this (pointed toward the sun) and Mukhar at once began to there. And her attention was toward the sun. And at once she (Vikh) looked towards Rpa-majar or Tulas-majar, she at once, in a moment, she changed the umbar was given and ptmbara was taken. "Oh, jarti" Jarti means old age. "Oh, jarti (old lady) see? Come. Come here. Come here." And she brought her toward the nlambar and asked, Whether it is nlambar or ptmbara you can see. Oh, she thought certainly I am getting old and my (indistinct) has gone. So, I have done mistake. Then Lalit, Vikh, Citr all became made a show of anger, that we are so angry. So, she was in a hurry. No, no I have not told anything. I am just going. So, she returned. They all became so pleased there. Then they were ready. Now rmati Rdhik has awoken. And all other majars, Rpamajar, Rati-majar, Tulas-majar, have brought golden or marble seat, and they were 5

ready to take rmati Rdhik to sit on that and to give water all these things; and they were ready to serve rmati Rdhik. In the meantime, they saw that Madhurika, one sakh of ymala, is coming. Madhurika told that, "My sakh ymala has come. She wants to meet rmati Rdhik. Rdhik became so pleased and all other sakhs became so pleased. END TAPE..

(begin 1991_11_19_VRINDAVAN_DARSHAN TAPE_20_B) Srila Gurudeva: (begin in middle.) For the cows, ymala dev. ymala is with Suvid sakh. You remember Suvid sakh? Who is she? Devotees: Um, Olderequal...dear...there are four kinds. Srila Gurudeva: svapaka, vipaka, taastha, suhda. Here suhda. Not to svapaka, but not vipaka; not friend of vipaka but friend of svapaka it is called suhda-paka. They can talk everything easily and heartly. So, ymala came. She came to take bath. No? What is water there? There rmati Rdhik is pond, sarovara. Her bhvas are water. And He wants to take bath in that water, not in any Yamun or any water. He has come to take bath. Now, He has come nearer to (this), means that kua, sarovara; sarovara is rmati Rdhik. She came to hear what happened last night and how rmati Rdhik met Ka. When she came rmati Rdhik was so much pleased and went forward and embraced ymala, Oh ymala today is good morning, supravat. Supravat you know? GBC: Good omen. Srila Gurudeva: Why good morning? Good morning is not prama. Good morning today. Why? "Because I have seen you. I was so much sorry. I was in viraha; seperation mood was with me. Now I have seen you and I am feeling so much better. So this morning is so good supravat. But I wonder that I have a tree, prema-kalpa-taru, tree, and tree is prema, Ka prema. Tree is growing on. Leaves of trees and branches are also growing on. The tree is so much green so beautiful everything but no fruit. Today is a good morning because you have come and I am thinking that this morning is so good because I have seen you and by the effect my trees will give any fruit. I was waiting for you. Now I hope that this tree will first have very good flowers and from flowers the fruit will come." ymala told that, "I am thinking you are telling so but fact is not there. I am seeing that the tree has grown in fullest form and it is full of very scented flowers. And very sweet and golden type of fruits have come out; and these fruits are in ripen stage; and I am seeing that you are always taking these fruits and always you are tasting; and while tasting so much always you have something. When a mango is taken the first rsa of mango is bitter and gives something sore. I am seeing that by taking the juice of that rsa, is the effect of that, so much things have been done. I am seeing symptoms and I am seeing also that the red color of that fruits have come on your eyes reddish. Why reddish? (The) whole night, perhaps, you have taken the taste of that fruit and so all thing 6

has come on our eyes. I also see that the juice of that fruit, by taking so much, drops have come upon here. I am seeing that everywhere that rsa has come and your cloths, your everything has so much symbols of taking rasa but yet you are telling that my trees have no fruit but I am seeing that you are taking always and tasting always that fruit. But you are saying...(no fruit)." rmati Rdhik told, "Oh sakh, dont disturb me and give prema to my heart. I dont know (this) taste and I have not seen that fruit, but you can not tell a lie." As if in rainy season (the) whole atmosphere is covered with very black clouds. Rain is dropping. And no trace of Chandra is there, almost all completely dark. In the same time lightening flahes, thunder bolt comes, and goes in any second. Then our eyes becomes blind and at time we can not see anything and after that so dark comes. They feel more darkness than first. If darkness and darkness is there we can see something. But if disturbed by thunderbolt our eyes are disturbed and we can not see anything. So, as if for a moment as (a) thunderbolt has been seen. So, I have seen Ka so very lean and thin. It means as if there is fire and if one drop of ghee is given like this what becomes? It goes away quickly and increases the fire. So, that darana of Ka, that seeing of Ka, makes me made me more and more unhappy. Vipralambha-bhava was there. I have no taste, I have nothing, I dont remember anything; like after (a) thunderbolt the darkness comes. I am tasting only that darkness. ymala told that, "I am understanding something. When anyone takes, he is very thirsty, and takes water, he doesn't realize the tastes of water, only drinking up to full satisfaction. No tendancy to taste it, only to quench his thirst. If anyone asks what is the taste of water, 'Oh I have not seen towards that, I only took water.' So you have taken water, rsa, but you have not tasted, then again you will have to ym-guru and you should read again to taste, not to take, not to meet, but to taste you should." Understanding? "In ik there is practical and theoretical, both not at (the same) time. So, theoretical you have taken but not practical. Now you should learn again, go again next day and again learn it." Then rmati Rdhik told, "I am of very weak mind and I fear that person. I dont want to make Him guru. I am not able to read from Him. but I am seeing that you are so much qualified and your mind is so much grown and really you can understand practically and theoretically. That I can not do. So, I think it will be better that you should go and learn and then tell to me. I fear him, so I will not go." So, all things are here in who? Tulas, Rpa majar, Lalit, Vikh they are hearing and tasting; more than what rmati is tasting. Being a majar they are tasting everything. They are only drinking it by their ears. After that Mdhurik and ymala...ymala embraced rmati Rdhik (and said), "Sakh, if there is no fruit but I see that your tree is full of fruits and if not then I see that certainly in a few days you will also see that it is so full of fruits. Very beautiful and 7

sweet fruits are there." So, laughing and embracing she went away. Then they were ready So, here after that
praksalya pada-kamalam krta-danta-kastam snanartham anya-sadane bhavatim nivistam abhyajya-gandhitatarair iha taila-puraih prodvartayisyati kada kim u kinkariyam
[When will this maidservant brush Your teeth with a twig wash Your lotus feet and when You have entered another room massage You with scented oil? Vilapa-kusumanjali (Text 20)]

They have brought water from Rdh kua, mnasi Gag and Yamun. They have scented it and (put) soil and everything mixed and they took rmati Rdhik on the sitting place, they untied the thick vea of rmati Rdhik very thin, fine, white cloth and in (a) simple manner they gave to rmati Rdhik. And they gave (to her feet) and they took very fragrant oil and they gave it on the head of rmati Rdhik and all over her body. Any sakh can not do this. Lalit, Vikh can not do this. The entire body they gave (oil) and in such a manner that rmati Rdhik thought that Ka is doing so. They know how Ka massages and they have learned how to massage from Ka. So, they are doing all this sev and at that time they are talking only of Ka and all these things. At the same time Dhanih sent any sakh to rmati Rdhik and she is telling at the same time when all was given, that Ka came from nisanta-ll and he was sleeping at the same time sun was ready to rise up. Yaod Devi, with Prim, went to Ka and they were waking Ka, Oh, lal." And she doing so, Ka was lying on the bed and Yaod gave her elbow across Ka by right and with with left hand she took the head of Ka and kissed Ka and calling Ka, Cows are waiting for you, your friends are waiting for you and you are now sleeping? She saw some marks on the mouth Ka, Oh these naughty boys are so, cacala, restless, that they do like this in wrestling. Perhaps cows are moving towards thorns and Ka runs and they dont go and the thorns do like this. At the same moment Madhumagala came, Oh sakh! Oh Kanhaiy! Oh Kanhaiy! Who is telling? That sakh that is coming from Dhanih and seeing all these things, telling to all gops, and gops are enjoying all these things. She is telling that, when she saw and was thinking how these scratches came, at once Madhumagala came, I know. He was playing with sakh. Sakh, there are two meanings of sakh. Sakh, in Sanskrit word, the word is sakh and sakh, male and female both, Yaod thought he is telling of sakh means sakh and Ka is at the same mood (motioning, gesturing) to Madhumagala, Dont tell. Madhumagala is telling, "I will disclose everything (laughter among devotees). So, they are seeing all these things. After that Ka awakened and he was alert. If Madhumagala tells everything it will be so fact of sin. He told like this, "I will give you laddu; dont disclose. And if you tell, I will beat you." Madhumagala began to laugh and he hid that fact. After that Ka took water from his friends and Yaod Maiy and 8

Rohi didi washed His mouth and (He) drank something and went to Godruhan and here sakhs are making washing and doing all these things.
abhyajya-gandhitatarair iha taila-puraih

Sakhs are hearing these facts and they are taking bath in that hari-kath, Ka-kath and they are making reading rmati Rdhik for all these things.
taila-puraih / prodvartayisyati

(At) any time a chance will come, that we will serve rmati Rdhik in (such a) manner. This is the prayer of (Raghuntha Dsa Gosvm). This is called bhva-maiy-sev. We should not do and enter now in unqualified stage. We can hear and we can pray to our gurudeva, vaiava, Ka, and His associates. We are always telling that there are two kinds of gops, persons, devotees, sdhaka: those who serve Ka, and those who want to serve rmati Rdhik. Here we should take the sanga of, association of, not of Ka sevaka, whether it is sajt; but looks sajt is of Rdh, sevaka, abhimna, those who have. This is sajt or snigdha. This is also for: (quotes verse) They want all these things but they have not got yet. So, if a person has a greed like this and rmati Rdhik and Her associates and especially of tat-tad-bhva-icchmay gop. Then we can advance in doing sdhana bhakti of rgnuga. Vas (finished for today). GBC: Mahrja do you know of Vnd-kua? Srila Gurudeva: What? Vnd-kua? Where? GBC: Near Nandagaon. Have you ever seen or heard of that? Srila Gurudeva: I have not seen in any book. There may be Vnd-kua in Nandagaon but I have not seen. We have seen Lalit-kua and other kuas are there. I will have to see whether there is. It may be. GBC: Maybe sometime we can go. We can show you. Srila Gurudeva: There are so many places we have not gone. END TAPE transcribed September 2012 (Devananda dasa)