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gm2263 COMPLETE VERSION - PLEASE CHANGE YOUR SCREEN SETTINGS TO 1024x768 FOR BETTER READABILITY IF YOU HAVE A LARGE SCREEN-HUGE DOWNLOAD-BE PATIENT (Just pray that these damn pic links work) ALL HARDCORE HIGHRISE FREAKS PRAY WITH YOUR LONELY GREEK BROTHER FOR A TALL ATHENS!!! ATTENTION: DESCRIPTIONS OF BUILDINGS AND SKYLINES PRECEDE PHOTOS 9/5/2002 THANKS TO ASIMOV THE ATHENS LIST IN SCYSCRAPERS.COM. RECEIVED A SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE WITH PROPER PICS CREDITS. ASIMOV, A MILLION THANKS FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION AND YOUR EFFORT. PLEASE VISIT http://www.skyscrapers.com/english/worldmap/city/0.9/100623/index.html TO SEE THE UPGRADED ATHENS PAGE INFO IN THIS PAGE CORRECT AT THE TIME OF THE FIRST POSTING Since this is our first official contact, with this posting I would like to first of send to all of you guys my warm greetings. We share the same passion for tall buildings and good architecture and it feels good to be amongst the high-rise freaks of our Kind. What follows is a long due and probably long anticipated report on Athens, the city of the 2004 Olympic Games and whatever high rise structures it has, plus some interesting views of projects and some extra goodies hidden here and there. It also aims at correcting some mistakes present in skyscrapers.com as well as in this forum. Well, it's here for all of you to see, download and discuss about materials presented FOR THE FIRST TIME ANYWHERE IN THE WEB. What follows is also a personal testimonial regarding my love for skyscrapers and how it developed for the 28 or so years of my interest in the field. (I am what Jethro Tull called: Too Old to Rock and Roll, Too Young To Die) I certainly want your opinions and input and your prayers to awaken the architects of my native city and the backward minds of the State Authorities for a better, TALL ATHENS. The download is HUGE and is dedicated to all of us that believe that the view of tall structures edifies the spirit and who believe that tall structures and buildings are not monstrous and vulgar attempts of some architects to satisfy their super-egos, but the works of visionaries that attempt to sculpt their environs and create grandiose works of art to be admired and remembered by the next generations (wow. That was heavy). Anyways, please read what follows while pictures load. Hope you're patient because it's going to be a long road. To begin, I am probably the ONLY Greek male on this planet that I have a keen interest, or should I say passion, (how about being FANATIC) specifically about skyscrapers. I have been to New York (I have many cousins there) twice during the 90's and I certainly would like to share the film rolls I took from there, especially the ones from the top of the WTC (more on that in another topic where I will post a full NY and WTC tribute). I was watching your forum for months and your discussions about highrises in Europe (and the rest of the world). I have also observed many forumers expressing their interest about whatever Athens and Greece have to offer on the subject. I also saw the replies of my compatriots but I was not satisfied since apart from some postcard pics (Acropolis, Acropolis and then Acropolis again) and a couple of Athens highrise pics with partly or totally inaccurate info, no serious account was thus far provided. (With the bright exception of the Rion-Antirrion Bridge by Greek Eagle, Congratulations buddy). So, I decided to buy a scanner and post most of my private collection of pictures (among others) and thus, here I am. Now, please read the following regarding the causes of my interest for skyscrapers and how it developed along with a short history of highrise construction in Athens: It's interesting, I believe Well, I was born 39 years ago in Athens, a city that was about to boom at that time, due to the fact that the Greek economy was expanding fast. When at the age of seven, my family started the construction of the second (or first according to the US standards) floor of my house in Papagos, Athens where I still live. The engineer that designed the house was a friend of the family, a well-spoken man in his mid-forties that was also a member of the engineering team that built the first (and only real in my view) skyscraper of our city, the Tower of Athens (103m). He used to talk for long hours about the trips he had to do to the US and France where many of "les tours de la premiere generation (the first generation towers) as well as the Montparnasse tower were already completed or in their final stages of completion. Our house was completed in 1971, the same year with the Athens Tower. The building looked like the Empire State amongst

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the low-rise neighbouring Athenian "polykatikies" (residential blocks). Unfortunately, our friend died of cancer shortly after the project was completed. I was told later that weeks before he died he was carried on a wheelchair at the plaza in front of the building and he simply whispered "so that's it we made it". At 103m, at that time the building was the tallest in the Balkans and one of the tallest in South-eastern Europe. Other towers followed the Tower of Athens, like the Apollo Tower(80m, 1973), the President Hotel (70m, 1978), the unfinished Piraeus Port Authority Trade Centre (1976-, close to 90m) and a number of towers (around 20) between 12 to 17 floors. Most of them were residential and were not build on big arterial roads, thus making it impossible to be spotted, unless from a nearby elevated position, thus the idea of an entirely "flat" Athens. The last highrise built in Athens, the 80m, 20-storey Atrina Centre (an elegant glass office tower) was completed in 1980. Since then, no new additions to Athens skyline have been constructed (to my utter disappointment), as if the new construction companies simply hated anything above 40m. There are a number of reasons for this I suspect: First of all, all these towers were connected to the military dictatorship that ruled Greece from 1967 to 1974. The dictators allowed the construction of tall buildings in an attempt to give a grandiose and metropolitan perspective to the Athens skyline. This was the law "peri eleftheras domiseos" (free height construction) that allowed tall buildings to be built if they were not attached to others on all sides. It seems that after the dictatorship, the new rulers and the architectural society in Greece have associated tall buildings with Greece's dictatorial past. Some architects, being fanatics with tradition (that they NEVER respected by the way) talked about the "monstrous impact of these buildings" to the Athens skyline. After the last buildings were built according to the permits given by the dictatorship, no buildings above 12 storeys were built in the city in the context of what appears to primarily be a political decision. Second, the Greek public never liked the idea of tall buildings, thinking of them as vertical extensions of the already existing built environment in Athens as well as other Greek cities. There are some cases of 10-15 storey residentials in areas west of the Athens city centre that look as ugly as their neighbouring low-rise counterparts and give this point some gravity. In addition, with regards to the Acropolis surrounding region, they may also have a strong point. At 150m above sea level, the beautiful Acropolis (the architectural miracle by the Iktinos and Kallikratis, about 550bc.) stands in the middle of the historic centre of Athens and building anything above 35m (as in the case of the current 8-10 storey buildings in the centre of Athens) could quite justifiably be seen as a sacrilege. However, this does not justify the bias against highrise construction that I detect when talking to many Athenians, especially for areas at a distance of 20Km of the Acropolis. But more on this later. Third is the fear of earthquakes. Now that's a joke. I can bet my head that IsBankasi and the Levent district towers in Istanbul (dunno about the large numbers of residential towers scattered all over the city) did not get a scratch from the last quakes in Turkey, as nothing happened to the Athens Tower and the other Athens high rises. Need I remind the forumers that Library Tower (310m) in LA and Transamerica Tower (290m I think) in San Francisco among a huge number of other skyscrapers are located in California, one of the most seismically active areas on the globe still waiting for the "big one"? Or is it that the 40-year old 5-storey residential garbage called "polykatikies" in Kypseli (one of the most densely populated districts in the world btw) and Kato Patissia, inner central and western Athens constitute examples of urban aesthetics and safety because they are low-rise? In my view Paris, London, Frankfurt and our neighbouring rising star Istanbul are the perfect example of how the old and the new can co-exist. The "rond point de La Defence" in Paris is exactly at the extension of a road axis that was built centuries ago. One can start from the Etoile (star-shaped roundabout junction where a number of wide boulevards start to all directions) of the Arc de Triomphe and go to la Defence, which by itself is the most beautiful cluster in Europe and contains of course the new Arche de la Defence. Centuries of architecture history ordered in a few kilometres of a straight line. The spirit of Le Corbuzier lives on well in La Defence. Bien fait, les gars. The same pertains to London which is expanding all along the Thames river (and catching up at a lightning speed to Paris and Frankfurt) and Istanbul (please Greek forumers visit http://www.istanbulskyscrapers.com/ for a jaw-dropping Balkan highrise experience) and Frankfurt who are some of the boldest examples of skyline transformations over the last three decades. "Tiny little" (as jokingly called by Asimov in one of his posts) Athens (Athens metro area is now around 4.5mn including the port of Piraeus and the suburbs by the way, somebody has to tell this to the skyscrapers.com guys), faced the challenge of expansion along its major arterial roads both to the north and the south form the 60's onwards. From the 1970's, Syngrou and Kiffisias avenues became the major poles of expansion. Syngrou Avenue is a perfectly straight road turned into a freeway during the late 70s that connects the centre of the city with the seafront. It has seen some development during the 70's and still continues to accommodate some nice projects, including the large 12-storey Athenaeum Intercontinental (1983), the 14 storey Syngrou/Interamerican Tower (now under complete reconstruction and refurbishment) in the Syngrou and Amphitheas st intersection, and the 10-storey Greek Development Bank (1990 I think) among others. On the other hand, Kiffisias Avenue is a long 6-lane (3+3) boulevard that starts from the Ambelokipi (In English:grape gardens, in Turkish: Dolmabahche, Asimov, where are u?) district (where the Athens, Apollo and President hotel towers along with a couple smaller buildings not worth mentioning are located), and ends about 17 (or is it 22?) km to the north in the beautiful and green Kifissia suburb. Kifissias Avenue contains 90% of what Athens can offer up to now in terms of modern architecture in its total 25km length. During the late 70's a handful of small clusters (2 to 3 buildings) between 10-17 storeys were developed in proximity to the Kiffisias Av. (probably given permission during the dictatorship period). The big boom came during the 80's and especially the 90's when Kiffisias became the expression of architectural form of new architects with the construction of several clusters of glass buildings between 4-10 floors. Unfortunately, the lack of vision and the strict construction laws prevented the construction of highrises of a decent height in the area. In any case, Kiffisias low-rises are characterised by a post-modern style that much resembles their European counterparts and are good samples of modern design. Also, the Athens Olympic Sports complex is located at a small distance and is visible from this avenue. This particular area belongs to the municipality of Maroussi, a beautiful northern Athenian suburb. Most of these beautiful low-rises have been built by the "Babis Vovos International Technical Constructions" (web address:

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http://www.babisvovos.gr,/ content only in Greek at the moment, English content under construction). In essence, the Maroussi area can be characterised as a far fetched mini, low-rise Defence given the analogies in terms of land use, only with an apparent lack of infrastructure support and without any emblematic structures until now. It is hoped that in the future things may get better (we already heard rumours of a 100m tall emblematic statue/observation structure to be erected by Sandiago kalatrava as part of the Olympic complex renovation works that were already discussed in other threads of this forum). The only consoling fact for the future is that the construction laws in Maroussi became lenient to cater for the construction needs of the buildings to host ancillary services to the Olympics, a fact that opens a small window of opportunity for the construction of something taller. Also, a new addition to the above scenery is the new Attica Road (Attica is the name of the prefecture the Athens metro Area belongs to), a highway (website: http://www.aodos.gr,/ content in English available) that connects the westernmost part of the Athens metro area with the new Athens airport (website: http://www.aia.gr,/ content in English available). The road is still under construction and due for completion in 2003, just months before the Athens Olympic Games. A 75km long, 6 8-lane (3-4 each side+1 emergency lane) highway that crosses the Kiffisias Avenue close to the OTE and Atrina towers (see pictures below). The midsection of the highway will accommodate the new Athens suburban rail, currently under construction. This is in my opinion an area with huge potential for development where the skyline itself as well as the distance from the Acropolis (15-20km maybe?), literally cry for high-rise construction. Now, for the forumers that may have plans to visit Athens in the near future and would like to see a decent Athens skyline, I have a couple of advices to give: First, in order to see a high-rise skyline don't expect to see it from the Acropolis. Only the Athens Tower is visible at a distance and the only worthwhile cloze-up is the 12-storey Hilton Hotel. The majority of the buildings are too far on the north and behind the Lycabettus hill (some 250m above sea level). For a truly rewarding view, go to the top of the Lycabettus hill and look to the north. This hill is a landmark with a small open-air concert theatre and a church (the St George church) and cafeteria on its very top. It's in every tourist guide of Athens and any taxi driver may take you there, it's in the centre of Athens and it offers a much more panoramic view of Athens than the Acropolis (and certainly the best for our reasons). In order to access the cafeteria you can either walk up (not advisable), use a taxi to go to the parking area and from there go up the stairs (with a very rewarding view of the exact spots of our interest), or simply take the funicular rail service to the top that operates during visiting hours. Also, you can take a ride to the north by driving along Kifissias Avenue from its start in Ambelokipi and drive to the North. Many of the highrise and lowrise developments are in there. Prefer to do it on Sundays. During weekdays the road is usually packed. Now with regards of the high-rises outside Athens, there is still the 84-metre tower in Piraeus, the port of the Athens Metro area. There have been lots of misunderstandings about this building in this forum so more on this later And now for the pictures Please note: Comments precede the pics so a comment is first, then the pic follows. Some Pics are HUGE so, be patient. It's worth the wait Athens Skyline-Ampelokipi District This is the best Athens skyline pic that I can offer and also my favourite to date. Taken by me from the Roof garden of the Divani Caravel hotel (10th floor) a couple of weeks ago. The view from the nearby Hilton hotel (14th floor Galaxy bar) is better, the towers are more spread out but the Hilton is closed for restoration for the Olympics until the end of 2004. From left to right: Apollo Tower, President Hotel, Athens Tower. Between Athens Tower and President, is the Allianz-Athens Expo Centre building (17 floors, not listed in skyscrapers.com)

View from the top of the Lycabettus hill to the north. I took this picture in 1991 but not anything particular has changed since then skyline-wise. The view is much better but the other pictures I took are too blurry to be scanned. More in another posting. In the front is the tower of Athens, further back is the ministry of public order, neighbouring to two big 8 and 10 storey military hospitals seen to its left and right. Papagos where I live is the residential area on the slope of the Mount Hymettus seen in the background.

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Next is a view from the top terrace of my house. From the left is the Athens Tower, also visible are the Apollo Tower in the far right, while in the middle there is the ministry of public order. Barely visible is the President hotel behind it, while the "stocky" building between the ministry and the AT is the 14 storey Police HQ in Alexandras Avenue.

Now for the buildings First His majesty, the old and proud Athens Tower (1968-1971). The info on skyscrapers.com about 1974 being the year of completion is wrong (I provided the info long ago but still, it's wrong). The tower, built by Alvertis and Dimopoulos Constructions SA, was the tallest building of the Balcans and Southeastern Europe at the time of its completion. Architect, the one and only Ioannis Vikelas. The tower complex consists of two buildings as we can see. The tall is building A, while the short is the 15-storey building B. They are connected by a floor bridge at the level of the third floor from the ground.

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These are the top floors of the tower. Taken by me in Spring 1995

Next is a view of the Athens Tower as we are moving north from the centre of Athens on Queen Sophia (Vassilissis Sophias Avenue) right after the turn in front of the Mavili square, past the American Embassy. Taken by me on a national holiday, thus the lack of traffic in the street (a rare occasion; Athens is notorious for its traffic jams).

A close-up on the Athens Tower from the same angle on a busy day taken by me. Watch the traffic in Vassilissis Sophias Avenue

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Now this is a scan from a Greek Magazine called "Architektonika Themata/Topics in Architecture (Architecture in Greece). It presents the Athens and the Apollo Tower (1973, 24 floors, 80m, tallest residential in Greece). The left pic of Athens Tower is now present in skyscrapers.com uploaded by another fanatic like me probably.

This is a pic of the Apollo Tower from the side, I took a couple of weeks ago from the beginning of Panormou street, close to its intersection with the Kiffisias Avenue, Ambelokipi district.

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And this is the other photo of Apollo Tower, facing Panormou street. In front of the building is the line 3 "Panormou" metro station:

This is a picture of President hotel. I took the picture standing right next to the Athens Tower. Probably the tallest hotel in Greece (22floors, 68m). Was completed in 1978 and is now under refurbishment for the Olympic games. I am not sure if the Rhodos Palace (18 stories), a hotel and convention centre in the Aegean island of Rhodes is taller (listed in Scyscrapers.com). Adds a very balancing touch in Ampelokipi skyline, being in the middle of Athens and Apollo Towers. This building is posted on the Athens page of skyscrapers.com:

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This is the Athens Police Headquarters in Alexandras Avenue, Ampelokipi district. A marble building completed around 1977 I think. I took the picture from the opposite side of the Avenue, right by the Ampelokipi Metro station, line 3. The building adds a bit to the skyline of Ampelokipi from certain angles. Covered with white marble it looks good from the outside but I certainly wouldn't venture a visit to the inside.

Next is the Athens Expo Centre or otherwise known as the "Allianz Tower". The building has an expo centre on its ground floor and houses the head offices of the German financial giant Allianz on a number of its floors. It is located on Kiffisias Avenue in Ampelokipi. At 17 floors it was the last highrise to be completed in 1978-79 in Ampelokipi.

Next is the Ministry of Public Order completed around 1979. A sizeable and ugly 18 storey building on Katehaki Avenue, probably around 70-75m height. I took the photo from the interchange of Katehaki and Messogion Avenues.

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Now to the developments to the north of Athens. Next is the Atrina Centre tower (1980, 80m, 20 floors) that was mistakenly reported as the Athens tower by one of the Greek forumers. Taken from the traffic light of Paradissou st. in its intersection with Kifissias Avenue. Photo taken by me on a quiet Sunday afternoon. This is the first building built by the "Babis Vovos International Technical Constructions SA". Unfortunately it was also the last highrise that they ever built. The tower caught fire a few years ago on the seventh floor but sustained minor damage due to the good quality of its construction. No victims or injuries reported.

The next picture depicts the slender side of the building as seen from Kifissias Avenue. Scanned from the "View" magazine that accompanies the Sunday edition of the "Kathimerini" newspaper.

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Now this is another first: This is a picture of the 18-storey 75m Greek Telekom Head (OTE) Head Offices in Maroussi. Strange it is not listed anywhere, as this is probably the biggest office and highrise building in Greece. This building along with the Atrina Centre shapes the Maroussi skyline as per now. I took the picture two years ago while the Attiki Odos was in the first phases of construction. The building is really big and dominates the view of the motorists as they drive up Kifissias Avenue towards Maroussi to the north and is a landmark of the Athens's northern suburbs. Has three wings (one not visible here) that are connected by a circular section where all the elevators are. Construction started before 1975 but was completed around 1979, I think (Greek public sector bureaucracy at its best).

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OTE HQ and Atrina Centre in Maroussi. I took the photo from the 4th floor of a building about 1 Km away. Now put your heart in your heart and tell me: Doesnt this skyline literally SCREAM for more and taller skyscrapers? La Defence or Istanbul Levent style? More on this later.

The building in the next picture is the Pireaus Trade Centre in the port of Piraeus, Athens metro area. Built by the Piraeus Port Authority (the same case with the WTC that was built by the New York Port Authority, no comparison of course) and topped out during the early 70's, but never completed. The 24-storey building is on hold since 1977, some say due to construction error. However, the frame was covered by a glass faade since the early 80's but the floors over the ground still remain unoccupied. The two first floors house shops and a school (!!!). The building is listed in the Piraeus page of skyscrapers.com as "Tower" and here it is. The best view of this building is from a boat departing to or arriving from the Greek islands since it is in the front side of the port facing the boarding docs for the ships leaving for the islands. Nothing fancy, everybody hopes the building may be completed (and hopefully not demolished )in view of the Olympics. Anyway, next comes the picture of this "phantom" tower. I took the photo one year ago from the quay.

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Now there is a messy situation with regards to the above building in skyscrapers.com. In the Athens listing the #2 building is a phantom 22 storey "Municipality shopping centre" that I havent seen anywhere in Athens and you can bet that (because of the fanatic I am, I am ALWAYS vigilant and watch all new constructions, read all the papers and conduct patrol rides on Sundays waiting for the holy day that a building frame under construction in Athens will surpass the 10 floors in height) THIS BUILDING DOES NOT EXIST. It is simply the Piraeus Trade Centre that was mistakenly included in the Athens list. In addition, the words "trade centre" and "shopping centre" have the same translation in Greek "emporiko kentro", although the term "kentro emporiou" for buildings like the WTC (or the tiny and unoccupied PTC) has a better application in Greek. If Athens had a 22-storey shopping centre oh well I' d be spending all my money there. Also I question the building's height quoted in skyscrapers.com has to be taller than 84, probably about 90m And now some of the residential towers scattered around Athens. First, this is a famous building for all living in the Northern suburbs of Athens. It is built some 100 metres from Kiffisias Avenue, close to the "Agia Varvara" (Santa Barbara) intersection. Pic taken from me from Kiffisias Av. Building recently referred to in Skyscrapers.com

A road, which goes in parallel to Kifissias Avenue for quite a distance, is Messogion Avenue (in its start on number 2 is the Athens Tower). In this avenue there is an interesting block of residential buildings, all built during the mid-70's. The block consists of a set of twin 17 storey residential towers (that they are built on incline ground and thus the difference in height) as per the following picture.

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The next is another pic of the twins, this time opposite the street in front of the "Ergasias Bank" branch on Messogion. My mother is sitting in front of my car, the red Fiat Uno barely visible in the bottom of the picture

This block has also a 15 storey residential tower, originally built as accommodation for teachers (!) between 1972-1974. I took the pic in front of the building, next to the above-mentioned twins.

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This block contains another 11-storey residential not worth depicting. The next pic contains another set of ugly residential twins that are located in Aghios Nikolaos Acharnon to the west of Athens. I took the picture from the pedestrian bridge close to the Aghios Nikolaos Acharnon Line 1 metro station (line 1 is a surface one) I had seen these towers many times while been in the train, and a couple of times from a distance while on the national Road Athens - Thessaloniki. I tried to locate them many times but failed. They are literally planted in the middle of a three to four story neighbourhood with narrow streets and I believe, after finally being able to conduct an on-site investigation that they are a disgrace to the name and reputation of high-rise builders. They are utterly dilapidated and I urge the Greek state to proceed for an inspection (if they havent done it already) to detect if they have sustained any damage from the last major quakes in 1999. By far the most appalling high-rise in my city.

There is another 15-storey complex close to Kato Patissia that is in the same condition, also visible by the train. These buildings constitute aesthetic atrocities and their architects should be executed on the spot for crimes against humanity and aesthetics. To your information, many ugly mass-housing blocks like these built mainly during the 60's and 70's have been demolished recently in Paris (called "cites-dortoires" ), London (early generation council flats) and other cities. Next comes the famous OTE (Greek Telekom) TV Tower in Thessaloniki (Salonica, or Saloniki, all present in Skycrapers.com, why are there so many versions of this Greek city there?) a city of almost 1mn inhabitants, called the "co-capital" city of Greece. Nothing fancy, just a 90m (my guess, don't quote me) structure at the entrance of the world-famous International Trade Fair in Thessaloniki. This was built during the 60's. A revolving restaurant may be still open in the observation deck. Was the place that the first B&W TV broadcast took place from its antenna in the mid-60's (1966 I think). Check that the tower is open to the public before you go there. This is a thumbnail pic from a Greek public domain site, couldnt find anything else L.

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And now back to Athens. Kiffisias Avenue where most of the progressive architecture developments take place. The following picture is a view that I took nine years ago from the 7th floor of the "IASO birth hospital" while visiting a friend. The view looks to the east, into a the Kifissiar low-rise developments. The building under construction in the front is the now complete Sanyo-Carrefour shopping complex that contains a 12,000m2 Carrefour supermarket and a small office arcade on two floors occupying an additional 3,000m 2 . The Atrina Centre Tower is visible to the left in the picture.

The next pics are just a limited account of the corporate low and mid-rises built by the Babis Vovos Techinical Constructions. They are characteristic of the architectural style dominant in Kiffisias Avenue: Babis Vovos Agora Centre (1983) complex. Gained a world prize for its design in the late 80s. View from Kiffisias Avenue. As per official website http://www.babisvovos.gr/

Babis Vovos Agora Centre (1983) complex. Aerial views during construction and after, showing the layout of the five-storey complex. View from Kiffisias Avenue. As per official website http://www.babisvovos.gr/

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Babis Vovos 10-storey "Dias" building and part of the "Polis" Complex (1990), number of mid-rise buildings built by the Greek contractor in a property expanding over four blocks. Polis means "City" in Greek. Kifissias Avenue, Maroussi. As per official website http://www.babisvovos.gr/

Babis Vovos, 8 stories, part of the "Polis" Complex (1990). As per official website http://www.babisvovos.gr/

Babis Vovos, Monumental Plaza Complex (1998), an 8-storey bar shaped building with two vertical 6-storey separate bar shaped buildings. As per official website http://www.babisvovos.gr/

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Babis Vovos K66 Complex (2000). Similar layout as Monumental Plaza, 5 storeys all buildings. As per official website http://www.babisvovos.gr/

Babis Vovos K24 Complex (2001) As per official website http://www.babisvovos.gr/ Two five-storey buildings connected by an atrium roof.

This is a 10 storey building in Academias Str, central Athens. As per official website http://www.babisvovos.gr/

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Finally, another sample of contemporary Greek architecture is the so-called "periptero" or kiosk. Kiosks like this one are very useful, especially at inconvenient, non-working hours. It is there that the poor foreign forumer can find cigarettes, bottled mineral water (especially during the hot Greek summer days, phone-cards, batteries, films and other staples. It is a true convenience store in just 2m2. I don't know if the Greeks are the first ones to invent this contribution to modern civilisation or if something similar exists in other countries. In your replies, please send me pics of your kiosks.

And now let's go to some more general aerial views. Next is a pic with Syngrou Avenue with the 12-Storey Intercontinental Hotel in the front, looking south to the Seafront. This hotel, although the biggest in Athens is not included in the Skyscrapers.com. This pic was scanned from the official hotel booklet given at the time of its opening, early 80's. The avenue connects the centre of Athens with the sea front and from 1980 is an 8-lane freeway with ancillary roads on each sides. The skyline hasn't changed much since then although an additional number of 5-10 storey office buildings were added. Highrise construction there is not advisable because anything above 50m will obstruct the view of the beautiful Saronic gulf. A number of interesting 5-10 storey developments have been announced for the region though.

So, where to build ambitiously tall buildings? With an eye for the future I have included some HUGE aerial pics that pertain mainly to the Attica Road (Attiki odos). As mentioned earlier, this 4+4lanes road 75km road with 32 intersections will be the new peripheral highway for the Athens greater area (like the "peripherique" in Paris or the M25 orbital motorway in London). Due for total completion: End of 2003, although parts will be completed earlier. Unfortunately these pics were taken at least one year ago during earlier stages of construction and are presented as per their website source. Pics copyright: Attiki Odos (Attica Road) Consortium, http://www.aodos.gr/ I believe that, apart from depicting the construction works of the new peripheral highway for Athens, they also indicate settings for new highrise construction. So, let's take a virtual helicopter tour over some possible areas for high-rise construction in Athens along this highway. Everybody agrees that 80% of future construction will take place in close proximity to this road. So lets see First is the pic of the famous (or should I say notorious; until its partial completion a few days ago, there were big traffic jams all over the place) roundabout intersection Attika Road- Kiffisias Avenue. (3 levels), English motorway style. View of Kiffisias Avenue looking south towards the centre of Athens. Somewhere in the mid-left the glass Atrina Centre is visible. I see some empty spaces suitable for towers between 60-120m to its left.

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As per official website. Attiki Odos Consortium, http://www.aodos.gr/

In the following picture, there is the same roundabout looking west towards Metamorfossi (depicted at a later pic). The OTE HQ building is at the far right corner of the picture.

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In the middle to the mid-left of the picture I see suitable space for the construction of a cluster with one slender 150-160m tower and a number of three to four towers between 80-120m. Greek contractors and mediocre state regulators WAKE UP. To really FEEL the meaning of what I say, go to the address: http://www.eframes.com/ef-cgi/g/gm2263_hotmail_com/8394Aodos4.jpg for a HUGE version of this picture. Next: We move about 3km due west and take a look behind (on our six to use the pilots language) Attiki Odos and Kimis Avenue looking east towards the roundabout direction. Now this is a skyline and setting that literally BEGS on its knees for highrise construction. The OTE Tower looks like an orphan child barely visible in the middle of nowhere.

Go to http://www.eframes.com/ef-cgi/g/gm2263_hotmail_com/4189aodos24.jpg for a HUGE version. There, a careful observer may be able to see the poor and lonely Atrina tower (a black slender shape to the right of the pic) being literally lost in the distance. Next, a Los Angeles freeway touch in Athens as we continue to move west the Metamorphossi area junction, Attica road and national road Athens-Thessaliniki (north), 4 levels. Attiki Odos Consortium, http://www.aodos.gr/

The full sized, HUGE version of this picture is in the following address: http://www.eframes.com/ef-cgi/g/gm2263_hotmail_com/8156Metamorfosi_Jinction.jpg And, as a bonus take the next picture taken days after the opening of the new "Eleftherios Venizelos" Athens Airport. We see a completed section of Attiki Odos, along with the junction in the front of the pic. The picture clearly shows the style of Attiki Odos with the suburban train rails to be placed in the midsection. For your eyes only. Enjoy. For your info, the control tower of the Athens airport has a height of about 70m. (By the way, which is the tallest in Europe? I think Schiphol's in Amsterdam is at 112m but I'm not sure. Open a topic guys, this is an interesting subject to investigate) Eleftherios Venizelos Airport, Attiki Odos Consortium, http://www.aodos.gr/

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Now, before we end this discussion, I would like to make a final statement: I want to challenge the Greek forumers and visitors and particularly the ones that are involved in the areas of architecture and construction (I know you're lurking out there somewhere) and give them the following message: Its time to take a bold stance and DARE to build higher than the 40m limit imposed by the short-sided majority or the state bureaucrats, or the established practices of the last 20 years. Actually, Attiki Odos and the setting between Maroussi and Metamorphossi reminds me of pics of another city that all the conscientious forumers and frequent visitors like me up to now have seen. A city located probably, a little bit to the north, a little bit to the east of Athens A city that partly belongs to Europe and partly to Asia. Which one? Let me give you a clue as per the following picture (copurights after the pic to add to the impact. BTW: ALL Greeks hate me when I pull this card off my sleeve when we discuss about the need for skyscrapers in Athens. I'm sorry but an image is worth a thousand words, right?):

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http://www.istanbulskyscrapers.com/ (by the way, why can't I download pics of individual buildings?) I dedicate the above picture to the urban planners of Athens for the last 30 years. No, it's not Athens and this is not Maroussi (the physical setting looks like it doesn't it?). It's not La Defence (more towers) or London Docklands (I can't see a river in the picture) or even Frankfurt (some of their towers are much taller some). It is Istanbul and specifically the Levent, which is one of the city's premier highrise districts. (Yes, there are others, many others). If you want more info about this aspect of this city that many of us Greeks have visited just to see the Hagia Sophia and go to the bazaars or buy leather jackets, you can go to http://www.skyscrapers.com/ or, http://www.istanbulskyscrapers,com/ (I insist: What is happening with the pics of individual buildings?) Levent reminds me very very much of our Maroussi (and the neighbouring Pefki for that matter). We will have the Attika and Kiffisias roads there ready in 18 months time, but for the buildings Leave it I can already hear some misinformed Greek forumers whispering in my ears: But can we do something similar, even in a lower scale (which I believe is the right thing for us). But we were ready to do it during the 70's. The following are two scans from the annual review "Architektonika Themata (Topics in Architecture/Architecture in Greece) Vol6/1972(!!!), real collector's items for any modern Architecture enthousiast, especially Greek. They are related to the proposals in an architectural competition for the Greek Power Corporation Head Offices building. Here is the prize-winner (names of architects and engineers in Greek and English are inside the picture):

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And this is my preferred entry for this competition. Not the first or the second, just a random entry:

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Can you imagine these designs being realised in Athens in 1972? OR EVEN TODAY? Think it's the only ones? You bet not! I have AT LEAST another 20 projects like this in my archives taken from 30-year old reviews. And god knows how many other visions existed that never became public. So, to end the discussion I make the following statement (and I will reply to all objections sent to me in a civil manner): I challenge Babis Vovos, Stelios Agiostratitis, A&A Associates, Ioannou and Paraskevaides and the rest of the architects/contractors to stand up to their name and reputation and DEMAND the termination of the 40m limit by the state if it exists (I never got a clear answer on this). I challenge them to continue the tradition of Alvertis and Demopoulos and EDOK ETER Constructions and others for that matter. Building five (or even eight max) storey buildings (nice though, short but nice) and putting your names all over the place on Kiffisias Avenue, thus acting like you have built the new Parthenon or the Empire State (or even the IsBankasi 3, to give you some pain) is not a way to get publicity, Mr. builders, especially if you have 20-storey buildings on your portfolios since 20 years ago and as I showed before some of you were designing 30 storey buildings. And don't give me that "taller is not always better" tale. It simply doesn't wash here. Just go to the Levent district in Istanbul and see buildings and skylines that (Asimov you're unfortunately right) you've never seen in your wildest dreams or believed they existed in a city of the so-called "Orient". I dont know about the rest of Istanbul, (and I don't care, like the they dont care about what goes on in western Athens). All I know is that the Turks have built a dream highrise suburb within a decade in order to provide a decent working endeavour both for their domestic as well as the foreign businesses stationed in Istanbul. If you want to be proud Greeks in your field, this is your chance. Andyes

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gentlemen, it IS all about building a "front", a "faade" etc. if you are to attract foreign investors and give Athens a metropolitan faade. And yes, it is much more preferable to see 30 storey towers being built apart and separated with green spaces than packed five storey garbage like the one I see in many central and western Athens regions. To sum up: The Attica Road from Metamorfossi to Maroussi (and even further up to Vrilissia) and especially the Kiffisias intersection are surrounded by vast expanses of empty land that can easily accommodate a possible cluster with a main 40storey-160m tower that can be accompanied by at least five others between 70-120m heights. I wouldn't object the construction of a TV/observation tower at a max height of 230m, like the Endem in Istanbul. (I like TV Towers: They can reach big heights, they are less demanding in building resources that a building of equal size and they make a tremendous impact). It is a shame that we have built a couple of dozens of buildings between 50 to 103m during the 70's and designed many more, some of them taller, and now, 20 years after we seem hesitant to go over the 10th floor in new constructions. We can realise this project until 2008. This will reduce the astronomically high property prices all along the Kiffisias Av. and will create a mini-Defence (or mini-Levent, I'm not ashamed to say it) that will be a beauty. There are thousands of businesses that will venture into moving there and leave their current premises. Just DARE!!! It is not about beating the Turks (who cares?), it is all about us being visionary, about leaving the safety of routine building and venturing in breaking the limits, challenging, being proud of ourselves, being proud to be Greeks (Acropolis was built 2500 years ago. That's long ago, I wasn't even born then) being able, even at the moment of our last painful breath to say "so that's it WE MADE IT!!!". ALL OUT FOR A TALL ATHENS! Dedicated to the memory of our beloved family friend Tasos Rodanas (died 1971), a member of the engineering team of Alvertis and Demopoulos Constructions SA for the Athens Tower and other significant projects of the company.

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----Architecture that reaches for the skies is the product of visionary minds ALL OUT FOR A TALL ATHENS
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Mekky i can say one sentence... greek love more sea than earth... for make this horrors... lol ----chouette un nouvel espace combler lol
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ASIMOV GM2263, GIMME YOUR "FULL NAME" (FOR THE COPYRIGHT) AND LET ME UPLOAD THESE BEAUTIES TO SKYSCRAPERS.COM... ----The Re-Rise Of Constantinople http://www.istanbulskyscrapers.com/
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gm2263 Dear Asim, My full name is Gregory Maloucos (first, second). My e-mail is gm2263@hotmail.com (yes, I am the one that sent the President Hotel Pic to skyscrapers.com a few years ago). Of course you can upload them with my name in the copyrights. Now for the Pics. I see that many times the established practice in this forum is to quote the name of the building AFTER the picture. Be careful!. I give the names or descriptions of pictures BEFORE the picture.

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To end: In my view Athens highrises and skyline is outdated. You guys did id, so please, all hardcore forumers PRAY WITH ME FOR A TALL ATHENS. Regards BTW: Can you change the (C) for the colour pic of the Athens Tower in Scyscrapers,com from Architektonika Themata to my name? I have materials to follow soon, now that I broke my silence.

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vapour CONGRATULATIONS Gm2263!! I believe Euroscrapers forum has never seen a dossier like yours!!! Great job, wonderfully written, stunning aerials... I'm wordless!!!

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----PortuTaLL - Tall Buildings in Portugal http://www.portutall.150m.com/ I'm a Portuolish gajo


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ASIMOV Sure, I'll make the changes right now... ----The Re-Rise Of Constantinople http://www.istanbulskyscrapers.com/
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De Snor This is the most IMPRESSIVE update that I ever seen on this forum

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andrin Great job collecting all this information and pics! Thanks a lot! ----De Madrid al cielo...
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xapbpoh Yes this is one of the most complete lists of skyscrapers I have seen - thanks very much ----No. **FIFA World Cup**Leeds Skyscrapers**Society of Radiographers**
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Microbes I wish everybody could be patient enough to read this thread How many hours did you work on this? Everything is excellent in this topic! CONGRADS! I can see how much you love your country (like me ) Anyways I did!

By the way, thanks for the nice comments about Levent! It is nice to hear from a Greek ----WWWoOooWW TURKEY :) My name is Anatolia @ my website (WoW TURKEY).
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gm2263 Cheers guys I want MORE of your support for a TALL ATHENS. It took me FOUR FULL DAYS to complete all this. That's how FANATIC I AM for a tall Athens. Actually it was Orthdox Easter Vacation for me and i'm out of work till next Monday (i'm a college Teacher). Microbes, the Levent is a BEAUTIFUL SCENERY, but Athens needs something slighlty smaller. Rotterdam style maybe (that's before their new projects, but nevertheness. . Something like the NN Tower at least) I know that Levent is a dish but Yeni Adana puzzles me a bit, as well as Izmir's new districts (you know better). However, I think Levent should expand to 200m at least upwards at least. Now that you've pulled out a sword (in terms of Istanbul's skyward expansion) you.ve got to use it. 250m is your next goal. Next, Of course I m' a patriot, but in my own style. Of course I will fight for my country If I'm ever called to be under arms. I'll fight till the last drop of my blood leaves my corpse. But here is something else. What binds us here is a call for modern civilisation achievements and a notion of constructive (not destructive) ise of our energy. Greece is a BEAUTIFUL country but I also enjoyed the UK (where I found many nice Tourkish people by the way) during my studies and my professional trips, the US, where I have many cousins, guys I've got TONS of pics to show you, especially the WTC and views of Manhattan from Brooklin, NY streets, etc., and I will enjoy cultures different than the Greek ones for as long I live. period. De Snor, thanks for your comments, wait for more of my work. Same style, soon. Loads of meterials to show U. Xapbpoh, I studied in Exeter, UK. I am an Anglophile, you have a terrific country. Exeter and the Devonshire county (South West England for the rest) is a place blessed by God. Just give me some time to relax (the above presented Athens account was a killer with K capital) and Exeter is probably Next). We'll talk about London and other UK developments too. All of you, it's late and I have to sleeep. Talk to u all tomorrow and keep praying for a TALL ATHENS PS. Greek forumers, where are you?

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KREZ One Word: A M A Z I N G !!! Athens is showing a lot of potential. I hope planners and gov't alike will not spoil the opportunity.

Cheers!
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GreekEagle gm2263 i have to congratulate you for this outstanding and detailed post.Excellent work!... Resolving your aspect about "tall Athens" ,i have to say that i think it's not about the state's or the constructive companies' will...The lack of new skyscrapers in Athens ,I think it has to do with the wider Athens region urban planning and way of living...The biggest part of Athens' social and financial life,public services etc. are gathered around the old historic centre of the city.Skyscrapers could be useful there, but building them in the jammed area of Omonia or Syntagma or around the Acropolis,that would simply be a crime against Athens history and character.Thank god noone has ever tried to do it yet. The key for building skyscrapers in Athens(or at least the potention to do it) is one:All companies and all public services,

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move to another area(Kifisias,Syngrou,or Kifisos Ave.) which can be the new financial centre of Athens, full of modern tall buildings(That would be great!Elaionas maybe?).Then i assume that,building new skyscrapers will just be a matter of time, no matter what the goverment thinks about tall buildings...The common sense and the lack of space, will make them support skyscrapers then...Additionally, the Athens historical centre will be releived then and it would be just the perfect social centre for tourism,walks,coffee and stuff,after we demolish many ugly buildings made in the 50's and 60's of course...The last 10 years a number of companies and public services have moved to Kifisias and Syngrou Ave. but this is far from a new urban status as the above....This will take years and of course major investments from the state and companies.My instict says, that this will eventually come true, cos it's one way for the city of Athens.The new works for the union of the Acropolis monuments and the area around in addition with the major constructions for 2004 are a first but important step to this.....Of course building 1 or 2 new skyscrapers (up to 100-150m) in Kifisias or Syngrou wont be a problem with the recent conditions,but that's it!...Noone could risk millions of Euros to built new skyscrapers without guarantees for the final result.After all, Athens is a big city,but not that big that needs dozens of skyscrapers.It has a different character from other modern cities...I have to say that a TV or an observation tower would be just great.Finally i strongly support the consrtuction of new hotels ,tall ones or not... It's true that Greeks dont like skyscrapers much, cos they think that skyscrapers are just "iron and concrete monsters" with great impacts in their lives,escpecially for those who live near these buildings.To be honest,even myself i like to observe and visit skyscrapers,i love to go on their top floors and enjoy the view ,but living nearby to them does not thrill me for reasons easy to understand!I mean,Athens is one of the last cities where you can see the sun wherever you are and i prefer to keep it that way!So I support also "tall Athens", but I would like to see the skyscrapers gathered in one,organised and well designed area as i said.If we going to do it, we have to do it right...(gm2263 knows what i mean) What?No photos?You are tired reading all these?There's your reward(it's not tall,it's huge, it's a marble masterpiece The marble stadium of Athens were the 1896 Olympics took place(capacity 80,000)

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gm2263 Point taken and understood Greek Eagle, I will come back with a more extended answer probably today (I have to visit a friend). Thanks. Any other Greek forumers? ----Architecture that reaches for the skies is the product of visionary minds ALL OUT FOR A TALL ATHENS
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gm2263 Greek Eagle, First of all, sorry about the delay, thanks for your reply.

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The marble stadium is a masterpiece made mostly from volunteers to cater for the first Olympic games (back at 1896 Greece was a very poor country and Athens had only 50,000 inhabitants, maybe a bit more). The stadium was built entirely from marble extracted from the Pendeli mountain to the north of Athens. A marvel and a construction feat of its time, I believe it is one of the modern wonders of architecture and a pride of our (where are you from by the way?) city. As for the vertical expansions of our city, I believe that Elaionas to the west of Athens and in proximity to the Athens - North (Athens Thessaloniki) motorway provides us with enough space for the building of an administrative centre to house many of our ministries and public services. This could be like the Centro Direzionale di Napoli, Naples Italy. At 125m max height, it is a good example of organised construction, buildings are not that tall compared to others in Europe, but efficiency and visual impact is there. For pics of this complex go to: http://www.hoogbouw.nl/euroforums/cgi-bin/topic.cgi?forum=1&topic=238 Ta xanaleme

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GreekEagle I just found this one...No comments....Just concentrate on this and dream whatever you want.

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ASIMOV These "ruins" earn Greece a lot of tourist money. However, they're also the guarantee that the architecture of Athens will forever be stuck in the "past". Similar to the situation in Italy. Perhaps even worse... ----The Re-Rise Of Constantinople http://www.istanbulskyscrapers.com/
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GreekEagle Is this the only thing you have to say watching this photo? Relax dude.

Ok try this one too and tell me who gives a f!@# about modern architecture.

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Cape Sounion and Poseidon Temple outside Athens...WARNING: If you are single,do not attempt to see this sunset alone! Btw, Italy has the most beutiful cities in the whole world.Sorry!
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ASIMOV Sorry, but this photo reminds me of post-WW2 Warsaw...

And besides, Turkey has more ancient Greek ruins than Greece itself... Here's a better one from Assos, Turkey (near Troy): Temple of Athena (530 BC), with the view of the island of Lesvos (where my mother's family comes from) in the front ( I just went there in March with my American girlfriend, on our way to our summer house in Ayvalik - yes, it's absolutely romantic... ):

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GreekEagle 1. We are ruining gm2263's great topic.I just posted a nice Athens skyline photo, as an addition to this thread.You dont have to make it a whole new deal.(WW2-Warzaw? Didnt i tell you that this photo makes you think? Nice try anyway) 2.If you are interested in Greek monuments of all kind ,i have a few gigabytes photos with them,but i wont post them in this topic. 3.Dont live with illusions.Turkey has a few ancient Greek archeaological sites in the West Coast where Greeks lived for almost 3000 years.Greece is an ancient monument itself ,with hundreds of monuments all over the country.That's not debatable! 4.You dont have to aggresive, hostile and play "Istanbul-Turkey against the others" all the time.Escpecially with me.

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