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net) has joined ## <Radulon40-Crotch> XD I put a space between poinds. <Radulon40-Crotch> pounds* <Alysy_2> seems like it still works :P * Sariel (Mibbit@27ED2C7A.AF25B279.3C6AFE30.IP) has joined ## <Sariel> made it * You are now known as Mandelbrot_Hornskipper_III * Alysy_2 is now known as Alysy_3 * Venenum (Mibbit@hypersigil-EAE9FE8A.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined ## <Venenum> annnd.....9p * Alysy_3 is now known as Wizard_Robe_n_Hat * Dav0r (Dav0r@hypersigil-D1DA4922.dia.static.qwest.net) has joined ## * Cappuccino (Mibbit@hypersigil-4131F246.cust.dsl.vodafone.it) has joined ## * Drakonach (Mibbit@hypersigil22981682.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net) has joined ## <Drakonach> I be here.. are there dragons afoot as well? <Venenum> No dragons, but there's some great Pot Roast on the fire... <Venenum> no dragons anymore, anyway. <Dav0r> Before we begin <Dav0r> I just wanna say <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> So we're at 8. I guess that feels right. <Dav0r> I love and miss you guys. All of you. <Dav0r> Now I am ready <Drakonach> Had pot roast for dinner already.. <Cappuccino> <3 <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> lol <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> mutual <Sariel> I'm here <Sariel> we ready nao? <Venenum> I just saw an add for a Battletank MMO.... <Drakonach> 8 is the number of infinity.. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> So me & Chove were originally going to do this, so I'll have to speak for him. If everything isn't covered tonight then we'll set another one for next Sunday. <Venenum> we're more than ready. <Sariel> cool beans

<Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> In any case, let's get this out of the way: who's got the donuts? <Drakonach> time to move the cycle along.. <Dav0r> Not I. Gave those up <Venenum> they were passed around in #Domus earlier. <Sariel> alys, how could you even doubt! <Venenum> you missed them. <Sariel> *passes out donuts* <Drakonach> no donuts for me.. unless they are paleo friendly.. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> pork rinds work too. <Sariel> of couse drak <Sariel> special batch, just for you, * Wizard_Robe_n_Hat knocks wand on ceremonial pomegranate <Drakonach> woohoo.. <Sariel> ....shhhh * meowzers (Mibbit@hypersigil-EAE9FE8A.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined ## <Venenum> aaannnddd.....lucky 9 <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> 9 is fine too. <Cappuccino> XD <meowzers> I am pretty fine, yes indeed. <Drakonach> 9 breaks the barriers.. <Sariel> who let nermal in? <Sariel> lol <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> This first, and whatever talk comes from it, arguments or not. It's already telling that in a FB group of 197 members and 30 views on the meeting post that only 9 showed up. Let's get this out of the way, <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> So in any case, we anticipated very few to show up. I guess that's the first order of business, admitting that the DKMU is a relic and if it should be continued as a group whatsoever. DKMU.org could work both ways. It will have all the original material and could act as either a tombstone or a fresh start. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> DO you see any good reason as to why this should continue as a group? <Venenum> Is there a group? <Sariel> I like it <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> sorry to punch the donkey right off the start. <Dav0r> Donkey punches are fine. Hmm.. <Mandelbrot_Hornskipper_III> how long can you hold up a corpse before it falls apart <Sariel> would be a shame to just give up on the whole shebang <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> For those who don't know, yes, there -was- a group. A lot of IRL meetings happened around NJ at the peak, and

it operated more or less as an occult group, albeit nontraditional. <Sariel> It's not nessacarily a corpse. the influence is actually pretty good outside of the FB/Fourms <Sariel> and I'm still here, and so is Drak...I dunno. I'm not quiting <Cappuccino> ifif I did not believe in this group I would not be here now <Drakonach> i feel it should be split back up.. MU has been and always will be the Marauders, where as DK was the artists, musicians, media, and tech savvy mages of the group.. <Sariel> too much yet to do <Dav0r> I would say it might possibly need a bit of alteration? <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Drak: if it's split up, then everything we've done with DKMU.org already has to be re-done <Sariel> I know it's not a welcome opinion in most circles, but I agree with Drak <Dav0r> evolution may not be the word for it, but definitely something <Sariel> ok, lets step back and take a look at this as if it were a business <Sariel> the brand is good <Sariel> DKMU is pretty reconisable <Venenum> I think MU needs the artists and musicians too. People capable of influence anyway, and DK needs the...anarchooccultists? <Sariel> not to mention the spread of the LS sigil <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> "Splitting up" seems to say that DK (whatever it is today) shouldn't be touching anything to do with MU (whatever it is today) <Sariel> but any biz needs a group of dedicated individuals, and influxes of new persepective <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> In which case, every Godform aside from Ellis seems more like a DK (or DKMU) creation. I don't see how that would work to the benefit of everyone. <Drakonach> or maybe provide a distinction between the two.. as in DK/MU <Radulon40-Crotch> ^ that sounds more reasonable.... <Sariel> I am not sure there is one anymore Drak <Venenum> Differentiation provides meaning; What's 'DK' and what's 'MU'? <Sariel> there was once..but most of what i have heard is that no one can tell them apart <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Drak: would you care to give a personal definition of the MU? <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> w/ Venenum.

<Drakonach> just because there are Marauders that are not a part of Domus, and there are Khaotes that are not Marauders.. <Venenum> What's that difference, though? <Sariel> my personal theory is that It's not DKMU...is the whole chaos paridigm <Sariel> thats floating in stasis <Venenum> ^ <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Calling yourself by a title doesn't speak of any real difference. We need a definition, some meat, or else it's just a title. <Sariel> no one seems to know what being a chaote means, or what the point is.. <meowzers> I really don't see the point in the titles, I think that's kinda silly. I think the magick and the "godforms" should be the focus <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Sariel: I also agree. <Sariel> what do you want the godforms to be? <Sariel> they are already reaching their critical mass.. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Looking at the history, a Marauder was a chaos-inspired magician who utilized Ellis / the Linking Sigil in some way. <Drakonach> MU was always defined by the Marauders. Those individuals who wielded the mad magick of LS and directly worked specifically through occultic paradigms and means to spread and enact the Agenda.. through mainly magickal means. <Sariel> are you wanting to create a religion off of them? <meowzers> To start with, the earlier mention of ls, is very scattered. whats the meaning, why people do i <meowzers> it etc, that needs to be fixed <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> And sought to change / assault the consensual reality with it. <Venenum> I always thought it was more of a Goal than a Tool. Marauders slung spells to rend reality. LS was just a platform. <Sariel> I think people need to answer that question on their own, but there is no reason why other people cant be more forthcomming with their own discoveries <Dav0r> I just come up with stuff and do <Venenum> That's the other end of it; People are keeping shit to themselves. if they're happy doing that, what's the need for a group? <Dav0r> Maybe that's wrong. <Dav0r> I don't know <Sariel> I think a manifesto and some more openess of communication could do wonders for everyone. <Sariel> thats what the OF did <Sariel> If you keep the group inclusive, and don't go recruiting for new tallent you are doomed to fail

<Drakonach> Damien has been working on a Marauder Manifesto for years now.. and still has not been able to clearly define it. <Sariel> everyone gets burnout sometime... <Venenum> Recruit too openly and you get diluted. <Radulon40-Crotch> The website may be very conducive to that manifesto and communication. <Sariel> Who cares? just write one <Sariel> have a hundered <Sariel> I think the website is our one shot at making this sporadic creation actually mean something <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> It almost seems like being snagged down by semantics. In my real honest opinion, neither the MU or DK really exist anymore today. Marauders might exist (practitioners who utilize Ellis), and others who utilize Khaos in same fashion (in their own personal mythology, whatever it may be). Neither an MU or DK group really exists, however. <Sariel> otherwise It will just be lost again.. <meowzers> I think the action is the chance to mean something <Sariel> I dont want to see that happen. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Whatever they both were melded into whatever "we" are today. <Sariel> there is always dropping the DK/MU and doing/calling it something else..but as I said previously, branding <Dav0r> Alys: so you're saying that the DK, MU, and DKMU isn't what exists, but rather it's us that exists? Like... we moved beyond those? <Venenum> I think the Wizard is right. there are Marauders, but the Underground is done. Khaotes exist, but there's no more Domus. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> We use Ellis on occasion, or Doombringer, or Odin, whatever. No one ever sticks to a specific form or mode of being 24/7. <Drakonach> i do agree with you Alysy.. the groups are dead.. <Sariel> LS and DK/MU are pretty well recconised at this point <Venenum> we'd have to have something, as a group, to keep doing it. <Venenum> or its just a title. <Sariel> I spent this week going through the old OF archives <Drakonach> titles box us in though.. <Venenum> No one should be sticking to a specific form 24/7 <Sariel> Domus was never a "thing" just a group of folks who caught an Idea by the balls and drove it to greatness <Drakonach> once you label something, that something loses power.. you hold power over it by labeling it.. <Venenum> that's part of what C/Khaos is about. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Why not start here? Everyone here cared enough to show up.

<Sariel> there were like less then 10 of us, with the Chelsea, and even less who had direct conncetion with the godforms in the beginning <Sariel> It wasnt untill the books were published that It was anything at all. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Yeah, it's all just history now. <Sariel> What do you want to be? <Venenum> it was a good idea with a good platform, not a preexisting framework trying to hold on to its own ego. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> If we want to keep doing this, I think we get to decide on what it will be from this point on. <Dav0r> As long as we don't become a fucking "The Who" reunion tour, I think we're okay. <Radulon40-Crotch> lawl <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> agree Dav0r. lol. <Venenum> Cappuccino and our Office Insubordinate are silent. <Sariel> Personaly the only difference I ever found with the DK/MU vs any other magey forum/group out there was THE DK/MU did shit <meowzers> How long ago was that though <Venenum> ^ <Drakonach> and we have recorded results.. <Sariel> there was a constant stream of reports of people tryign shit out, and what they learned from it, and what they thought of it, and everyone working off of everyone else <Sariel> It doesnt matter how long ago <Drakonach> actual physical results from the magick as well.. <Sariel> the only thing that really changed at all was everyone hit burnout..and stopped doing shit <Sariel> together <Venenum> also ^ <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> The only way out seems to be 'through', however. Let's look at what it's turned into - a strange collection of spirits that for some reason work fairly well. I think that anyone who works primarily with LS will continue to call themselves a marauder, and rightly so. I think DK is even deader. <Cappuccino> is a bit 'difficult for me to follow you guys but i am here <Sariel> suffered a church split. <Dav0r> stopped doing shit together? or stopped doing shit, together? <Sariel> yes <Sariel> lol <meowzers> the problem is people suck, they have lives no ones going to sit online all day recording everything or answering

everyone. people do the magick and its good for them, on to the next progect <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Besides the Doombringer, I can't think of anything that distinguished the DK outside of "a group of practitioners who did their own thing." But definition fits almost everyone. <Sariel> bear with me here, I'm on 24 hours of sleeplessness <Sariel> It helps me illistrate the point <Sariel> that's the problem. It's not about deffinitions or labels, or even what the hell we were doing back then. the point was..we were doing things, as a group <Dav0r> What about Zalty? We had a bit of a big thing with him <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Right. <Sariel> I see no reason why that has to stop <meowzers> last time i posted something i was trying, i believe only the wizard commented on it <Venenum> Wizard's right again. Doombringer and AoR were pretty much the breadth and depth. <Sariel> just because we all got old and jaded <Drakonach> Well we did take things down some very strange rabbit holes.. and i do mean literal rabbit holes with the Wonderland paradigm.. <Sariel> yup <Dav0r> I didn't get old and jaded. I got old and busy. <Sariel> remind me to slap you and hug you for that one drak <Sariel> bastard <Dav0r> not that I don't do magic <Dav0r> plus <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Dav0r: Everything besides Ellis was a product of the (DKMU), or those of the used-to-be MU and usedto-be DK doing magick together. Just kind of happened. <Dav0r> how many group projects were fired out there, and how many took up the banner to play? <Sariel> thats how it always is <Sariel> who is going to play if there isnt anything going on? and furthermore, why do we need anyone else besides us to "play" anyway <Venenum> ^^^^^^^ <Sariel> I never wanted DK/MU to become a cult <Sariel> but it did, and suffered the same effects that most religious groups suffer from <Sariel> personally It pisses me off, and I would like to help take it back <meowzers> so...lets stop bitching...and get to work. lets create more rabbit holes.. lets change reality.. whats the plan..

<Drakonach> personally i had reached burnout.. i was going strong and deep with doing khaos work almost daily for a year straight.. <Sariel> same <Sariel> we were trying to hold it all up by ourselves. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> One of the points me & Chove wanted to bring up was that all of the creative peaks of the collective happened when there was an influx of new members and when projects were being done (or just writing, or anything; artwork, take your pick). For a while now, it's been more closed-in with the FB group being the main area of use. <Sariel> no illumiation <Sariel> I agree <Sariel> FB is a shitty place for inspiration of any sort <Sariel> that place Eats information, not enhances it <Drakonach> i had needed to take a magickal break to let things manifest.. <Sariel> same <Venenum> FB is a shitty place for inspiration, but its still where all the people are. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> ditto for me as well, about a year ago. <Sariel> look, I don't know what will happen as a whole, or if there even is one. but these silly gods won't leave me alone.. <Sariel> so here is the deal. <Sariel> I'm here to put things back together. I'm going to continue to work with those who are interested, and I am going to continue to document stuff and share it with the world <meowzers> in you guys's personal opinions, why the hell was ls, doombringer, zalty, etc created. also why the hell do you use them? <Sariel> I didnt <Sariel> we didnt <Sariel> they were already there <Sariel> the names are unimportant <Sariel> Its not you who uses them, Its them who use you <meowzers> there is a point to this i promise <Sariel> and to further your own understanding. <Sariel> It's all united with the same source. they all come from it. And it is specific as far as I can tell to the DK gods.. <Sariel> I don't know if it is the 156, but I do know that DB sprang from both a conversation about him and a mix of tapping the LS web <Sariel> you would have to ask sheo for the details <meowzers> no i dont want philosophy talk that you all seem to like to write in, i want real talk, real thoughts and answers

<Sariel> If you are looking at the godforms or at magic in general as stuffy whats so different from carrol/crowley...exc.. you miss the point <Sariel> It's not <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> The Godforms (besides Ellis) just sort of "happened". Even in looking through the archives, I can't find the moment of creation (besides DB). <Sariel> but It is alive <Sariel> and just as legitimit (If not more in my opinion) <Dav0r> Alys is right <Venenum> Ellis 'just sorta happened' as well. <meowzers> so why use them, you have a reason or you wouldnt do it <Dav0r> so far as I know <Sariel> DB was just named. he came out of "somewhere" too. Sheo used to say how he felt like DB discovered him <Sariel> no one is "using" them <Sariel> that sounds so wrong I don't even know where to start. <Sariel> the expeireince is the reason <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Why do you use them? I can tell a recent story. After the Sigillum Ritual myself and Stephen Branch were impacted a lot by it. Him in particular. I don't think he'd like me to say everything, but a combination of Ellis/Zalty approached him. This resulted in astral travel for both of us, scanning the current, past meetings, etc. <meowzers> use them, they use you. talking about the same thing <Sariel> no I'm not <Sariel> I have no attachment to outcome <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> We brought back (him moreso) a lot of information about people that He personally was not aware of. Dav0r has vouch for this. <Sariel> I am just the voice <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> ~can vouch for this <Dav0r> Yeah, they did <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> The godforms work, if why we use them. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> ~is. <Dav0r> -speaking in terms of what Alys noted <Sariel> Am I the only one who is doing this for Discovery purposes? <Dav0r> Sariel: No. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> We might all have our own reasons. <Drakonach> i'm doing it for the wisdom provided.. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> I'm into discovery. <Sariel> aye <Drakonach> and knowledge attained.. <Sariel> so by arguing about this. what is to be gained?

<Radulon40-Crotch> Discovery is definitely a major factor for me. <Dav0r> What are we even arguing? <meowzers> so they work for different uses, all that have an outcome, even if that means nothing happened. ls, tapping into currents. doombringer, change. etc etc etc <Sariel> I'm so tired of the whole "why do it at all?" questions <meowzers> it all started from something <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> And let's just say it, it's a really cool feeling when you break the laws of physics, even if for a split second. That's the thrill of magick. Information that "shouldn't" be uncovered, but proven to be true, is just as exiting. It happens. <Sariel> no <Drakonach> also i've always done it for the experience.. <meowzers> there was power, inspiration, purpose, experience, life <Sariel> It all started when a group of people let down their fucking hubris for 5 min and allowed a pot smoking iddot to ramble on about magic <meowzers> that is what the dkmu needs more of <Cappuccino> when i first used ls... what a funny week <Sariel> people who were not ever asking....why do it? but people saying "DO IT! TELL US WHAT HAPPENS!" <Sariel> that what the DK/MU is. <Sariel> or was <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Drak: For DKMU.ORG, if you think it's a good idea to make it a priority to make a distinction from the mu/dk, that can be done. Other than that, I think we'll all be marauders at times and other things at different times. But if you feel strongly about it I'm up to working for it. <Dav0r> Oh man, Sariel <Dav0r> I remember those times <Dav0r> We did shit just to see the results] <Dav0r> It was great <Sariel> or shit.. could still be if people would just shut their damn egos up for a few min. <Sariel> well we found out...eeeehhh.. we found out all sorts of shit <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Dav0r: I think you hit the nail on the head. All of us really just ever did things to see the results, no? <Sariel> fucking ruined my life <Sariel> and yet, I'm still here <Sariel> must be something worth it <Dav0r> Alys: Yeah. I did some pretty neat things <Dav0r> I know that <Dav0r> And I remember reading others

<Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Hell, this all started with Sariel, Odo & Sheo with that OCV proto-dkmu thing, "freedom, chaos and bicycles." <Dav0r> Fuckin a, it was awesome <Sariel> that's the point of the fool <Venenum> actually 'just to see what happened' was a good reason for just pushing buttons back then. <Sariel> we need that <Drakonach> I feel that there should be at least a section for each.. keep it DKMU.ORG , but once there have two different sections.. DK and MU <Dav0r> in part, it's what I'm doing now <Sariel> too many damn elders now, wanting to argue systems/semantics <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Drak: Can be done. I don't think we'll even put in a DK section though. <Dav0r> I'm not arguing <Sariel> come on! doombringer was a horrible idea <Dav0r> I'm just happy to see everyone together on here! <Sariel> no one would have taken sheo serisouly but us <Venenum> Doombringer was a great idea. <Venenum> that's why it happened. <Drakonach> well there should be something for the media side of the house.. <Sariel> exactly <Drakonach> no Tartaros was a bad idea.. <Drakonach> a disgusting idea honestly <Sariel> drak, I dare you to spend a week with Ino straight and not HAVE TO CREATE something. <Venenum> ^ <Sariel> the creation was part of it. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Drak: Thing is, most the media we did wasn't even under the name DK. It was under the name "occult". <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> If we make a Marauder section, who will use it? <Sariel> so what happened to the name then/ <Drakonach> point taken.. <Sariel> why does everyone want to abandon it? <Venenum> I was always under the impression DK was the same thing as MU, just Sheo's own personal version. <Venenum> or whomever came up with the name. <Sariel> the marauders were there own thing <Sariel> sheo was dedicated to teh DK but he had maruader friends. <Sariel> It was a fourm merger. <Radulon40-Crotch> I came into this whole thing when they were merged........ Likewise, I never saw any obvious division.

<Dav0r> hacks :\ <Sariel> 2 sides of the same coin <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Sheo came up with it. the DK was just a name to give a collection of people a title. That collection of people were just practitioners with a weird slant just like anyone other practitioners with a weird slant. It was sort of an All-Purpose title. <Sariel> huh. he told me he hated those guys. lol <Sariel> I should have known <Venenum> Not much different than the marauders, except the 'angry-at-the-world' focus on assaulting reality. <Venenum> wait... <Sariel> thats ok. the golden dawn sounds dumb too <Sariel> what would you rather be called? <Venenum> 'oh shit, its those guys' has a nice ring to it. <Sariel> lol <Sariel> agreed, but Its hard to advertise under that banner <Dav0r> depends, are we in greece? <Radulon40-Crotch> lo <Radulon40-Crotch> lolz <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> I don't know any true Marauders anymore besides you Drak, to be honest. So many have worked with Ellis once or twice but don't call themselves by that title either. If the philosophy is what distinguished it, "the assault on reality", then I can call myself a continual marauder, even if I only work with LS now and then. <Sariel> I dont know what "working" with LS means anymore <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Including her / the sigil in your regular works I suppose. <meowzers> point i was trying to make earlier ^ <Drakonach> Nightshade is still out and about Alysy.. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Ah yes, there is indeed Him. <Sariel> my understanding is the godform is seperate now from the sigil <Dav0r> yeah, NightShade's around <Sariel> but you know, thats just my insight <Dav0r> He's just kinda... held up a bit <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> If the MU ever really, -really- made an effort to get back together, I'd be all behind it. I don't think Ellis will ever be taken out of the pantheon we've been working with for close to 4 years now though. It's far too ingrained. <Venenum> there really are a few extra Marauders hanging around out there that just don't keep up with those of us over here. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> I believe that, indeed. <Sariel> not Ellis. Ls and Ellis are two seprate things now <Sariel> the godform has outgrown the web. <Sariel> or at least that's my understanding of it

<Drakonach> Damien, Silenced, and Arjil are still afoot as well.. but you are right, we are few and far between. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> LS = practical runic sigil, Ellis = godform. I've known some who don't use the godform aspect of it as well. <Sariel> here is the thing. the godforms have reached mass, what do we want by "growing" them further? <Venenum> a really cool explosion? <meowzers> Can I just point out that ellis/ls isnt even suppose to be a godform or used as a godform <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> I guess that's the 2nd (or 3rd) subject to bring up. <Sariel> suppsed to be. hah <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> We'll skip the 2nd & go to the 3rd. Projects: <Sariel> sorry to jump ahead <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Drak & Sariel know about the book project we've been talking about <Drakonach> I have two very different forms of LS that i work with.. the LS and then my Ellis fetish.. <Dav0r> Do Silenced and Arjil do much anymore? * Venenum needs a spoon <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Silenced isn't really working with Ellis anymore. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> I can't much for Arjil. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> ~can't say much <Drakonach> and Arjil very rarely if ever.. <Sariel> whatever happend to teh classes Idea alys? before I left there was serious talk about doing some teaching over IRC <Drakonach> but the old guard are still alive.. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Sariel: That took the form of the A.A.O., and that's slow-moving. <Dav0r> Thought so. That makes me mad <Sariel> hmm alright. mind if I do it anyway? I'm tired of people asking me things over FB msg. <Radulon40-Crotch> Sariel: I like that idea. I'm still mostly swinging in the dark on quite a bit of DKMU specific workings. <Radulon40-Crotch> Ah I see <Sariel> I was thinking that a chat on the godforms/ actuall results that people are getting might help get a better understanding of what we are actually working with <Dav0r> Classes is a great idea, but damn if I have the time to do it. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Drak: If you ever wanted to get some MU folks together, a new online base could be done in no time flat. <Sariel> dave you are always in the chat <Sariel> lol <Sariel> just lurk like you always do

<Dav0r> I'm also always doing things not in the chat room <Dav0r> Like script writing <Sariel> It's just a better place to have long conversations about things then FB <Dav0r> and other projects <Dav0r> I also tend to leave the comp on whether I'm here or not <Dav0r> ;) <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Me & chove are primarily working with the name "DKMU" in any case, just because it's convenient. An openhouse to any and all. <Venenum> I once wandered into a Jedi Academy forum that had an interesting class structure. <Sariel> I'll send you a log? then? <Drakonach> aye.. <Sariel> I'm nestalgic <Sariel> I liek it <Sariel> and LS and the atmsophere, and I dont want to give it up, cuz I'm crotchety liek that <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Anyone up for switching the topic? <Sariel> sure <Dav0r> to? <Drakonach> i've just become a bit busier in "mundane" life to be able to be a more direct part of the group evolution. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> 2) new project, or 3) the new website? <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Known Drak, and you're doing awesome stuff there even if it's mundane or not :P <Drakonach> thank ya brother. :-) <Sariel> I second that <Sariel> wtg bro <Venenum> Cheers all around. <Sariel> I'm busy as hell too <Sariel> but time isnt linear <Sariel> and I always have something I'm noodling on <Dav0r> I'm on with Drak, but I am working to spread things with the group. If anyone wishes to collaborate on something possibly (and yes, I'm still working on the audio plays) then we can talk <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> The website also goes into what we were talking about. What exactly all this is anymore, or was, or will be. <Sariel> no reason not to share <Drakonach> correct.. <Sariel> good to have a place to share it <Dav0r> I would love nothing more than to pour magic into film and audio stuff <Dav0r> like a waterfall <Sariel> love it! <Sariel> do it!

<Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Media helps wonders <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> always has <Sariel> I think that maybe we don't need focus as much as we need inspiration <meowzers> I vote a new godform, with tons of boobs. people like boobs, and they make your day better. <Dav0r> If I can get the pilot off the ground, I'm gonna have magic in it, and fuckin a there will be LS and many other things in it <Sariel> and a willingness to work with other folks <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Alright, inspiration. <Radulon40-Crotch> High Wizard, I probably need to jump off of here, I need to be up at 4. Could you perhaps reiterate any important things to take note of to me tomorrow? I'm predominately just lurking at this point anyways. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> will do. I'll try & save these logs <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> & there's always next Sunday <Sariel> You better Dav0r. i want to see this thing real <Radulon40-Crotch> Thanks. Later guys! And I shall see you next sunday. <Sariel> night <meowzers> dav0r, the guy nate i was trying to hook you up with. hes putting ls tags in his movie <Drakonach> Later Radulon <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Let me know when we're ready to change subjects. But I'm up for talking about DKMU/the collective/MU, w/e, if everyone else is. * Radulon40-Crotch has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) <Sariel> yup yup <Sariel> lets go <Dav0r> I'm happy to work with others. The media magic I'm trying to create is the easiest for me with which to work alongside people. As other things work, the Mountain is a pretty big solo thing, so it's difficult to work in groups with it. However, I'm happy to share results. <Dav0r> I was gonna do a blog, but it didn't take off. I don't have the time for it <Sariel> sure. <Dav0r> Meowzers: cool <Dav0r> okay, I'm done spouting stuff <Dav0r> lol <meowzers> now if only i could get him to change the title from 120 days to 156 days * Wizard_Robe_n_Hat taps wand against the ceremonial pomegranate <Venenum> so, DKMU/the collective/MU, w/e

<Sariel> thats what I loved about the old fourm/group. people came and went, and just reported things, or supported folks when they could. when they had an idea, they would share it, <Venenum> where are we standing? <Sariel> simple as that <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> ^ that line wasn't my idea, lol. <Venenum> hey, pomegranate! <Dav0r> I tend to not speak unless I have something to say. That's usually why I rarely wrote articles. I didn't have any unless I had a stroke of inspiration hit me <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> So, everyone knows DBL is drying up and we can't keep deleting bots. Sheo owns it, and he's dropped out 100%. He won't keep paying for it. This right here (this chat) might as well be the new inner circle. Fresh start, ground zero, while respecting the past work. * meowzers pounces and bites <Sariel> you can have mine dave. Ive got inspiration leeking out of my ears at the moment, and no where to put it really <Venenum> do we have to worry about past work? <Sariel> prolly <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Chove would have been good to have around here for this subject, but anything anyone thinks the site needs or could benefit from, all ears. Anything that opens it up again to the community, and gets a new influx of oistars in. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Beta: http://www.dkmu.org/index.php <Venenum> we took off so strongly initially because it was 'new' 'different' and 'original' not really built off of much else. <Venenum> it was basic ideas being picked up and ran with. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Agreed Ven, and new stuff is required, but not -forced<Drakonach> then my vote is we drop the bomb and move all the diamonds to the new site.. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> A lot has changed, respectively <Sariel> that is fucking cool <Sariel> I agree with Drak <Dav0r> I'm not terribly good with websites. If I think of anything, I'll let you know. Maybe some media to help tickle the skullmeat of peopel? <Sariel> (why am I agree'sing with drak so much tonight?) <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Drak & Sariel: working on converting all gems into PDF files for direct hosting <Venenum> I'm with Drak as far as dropping the bomb. Not sure about the diamonds. <Sariel> Can I get my old degree title back? lol <Sariel> It was fun <Sariel> nice <Dav0r> I want my degree to be "Candle Holder"

<Dav0r> or "Lamp Guy" <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Not sure about that Degree system, even if it was just for fun, a lot of people took it serious <Sariel> lol <Cappuccino> i totally agree with drak <Drakonach> the jungle may be dark, but its full of diamonds.. <Sariel> that's what made it funny <Sariel> *did I just hear a panther?* <Dav0r> If we -ever- did degrees again, they have to be nonsensical names <Sariel> HAHAHa <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> If there's ANYTHING you think the site could benefit from as a social outlet, it can probably be done, without overloading it with bells & whistles <Drakonach> we were our own social commentary on the occult.. <Dav0r> like "Pie choker" <Dav0r> and "Fist punch" <Drakonach> Court Joker here!! <Sariel> they alwasy were..that's why they were in negaitive * Auryn (Nerium@hypersigil-9C30667E.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has joined ## <Sariel> Can I sign up yet? <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> lo. already covered a lot, but cool that you showed <Auryn> hey <Dav0r> Alys: if I were to kick more media stuff into gear, even if it's just writing down ideas for a story or something that could be occult based or whatever, would you be opposed to using it? <Venenum> blahblahblah titles. I want to hear more about doing things -.<Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Sariel: I wouldn't sign up to anything on it just yet. Beta stage <Sariel> ^ see! <Sariel> awww.. <Sariel> lol <Sariel> np * litlepick (litlepick@hypersigil-7C8DD6B6.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined ## <Sariel> let me know when you take it live k? <Drakonach> i merely align with my archetype is all.. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Dav: All media is welcome <Sariel> or I'll bug chov about ti <Sariel> ok, Bottom line, I think we should give it a shot <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> But see, I don't know very much about websites either, so that's why I can't comment much about special features without Chove here.

<Dav0r> I can do that. I can also share experiences with magic as I have them. My articles on the dbl, either they'll be grabbed or they'll be lost. I don't know if we're backing up articles <Dav0r> Sariel: yes <Sariel> DO it, See what happens, should be applied to the new site as much as It is applied to any DK?MU endevor in my opnion <Auryn> I know I missed a lot but just from the picture of site/ subtle change of direction you guys for sure have my support/ assistance in any way I am able. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> good stuff. <Dav0r> Amy: someone has records of the whole discussion. Someone can fire it your way <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> One thing we do want for the site which is lacking: An updated Mission Statement. <Sariel> You Can have my Art! <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Yeah, I'll keep logs. <Venenum> mmm.....mission statements. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> A vague one. ;P <Sariel> I think that's one that you should write Alys <Sariel> you are the scribe <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> will try, but will shoot it around before it's solid <Auryn> imo, its one you should all write together <Auryn> even if every person sends one line, he could refine it i bet it would be brilliant <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> yeah, we want feedback from others on it <Sariel> I'll see If I can't come up with something myself though, Ive been working on something I might be able to use it. <Cappuccino> i wish i was good with your fuckin language... to be able to have a really nice italian "whatever we are" place <Sariel> I kinda liek that. everyone sends a line thing, but can it be cohesive liek that? <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> <3 cappy <Drakonach> I thought you and Vert were working on that previously Cappa <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> with editing I guess anything can become cohesive <Drakonach> Cappy <Sariel> (please for the love of all thats unholy ignore my spelling) * Vinn (EMIGA@DB0B7D3B.8EB71B87.53F4E13D.IP) has joined ## <Sariel> I blame beer <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> except for Gibil's writing <Drakonach> i know that's a touchy subject.. <Auryn> Well you tend to see a lot of repetitions of ideas/ themes also

<Sariel> monkeys with a thousand typewriter problsm <meowzers> problems* <meowzers> :P:P <Dav0r> Gibs' writing caused me much rage <Dav0r> but enough of that side-lining <Drakonach> mine just drove people into breaks.. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Might help to say: The original point in dkmu.org that me & chove wanted was to offer a place for the outcasts of the occult (occultists are already kind of outcasts), or anyone who doesn't fit into the usual paradigm. That's where a lot of us came from. We're striving to make it as modern & user-friendly as possible <Sariel> So did we reach consensus on anything tonight? can someone recap? <Cappuccino> me and vert ahuauuauhauh yes... he's to busy... we were not talking for a while <meowzers> I vote a real meet, irl soonish <Drakonach> at least that's what i've heard.. <Venenum> recap; DKMU is dead. Love live DKMU. <Venenum> *long <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> I think we at least reached consensus that the MU & DK are dead, and w/e DKMU is, meaning us, not dead yet. And the desire to keep things going. Correct me if I'm wrong. <Dav0r> Alys: I like that <Drakonach> easier said than done meow.. <Sariel> DDTI:HTNF <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Yeah, same thing, different words. <Sariel> nice <Sariel> lol <Drakonach> pretty much Alysy.. <Sariel> maybe we need a dif tagline. <meowzers> nah we got broomsticks <Drakonach> trim the fat <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> A section on the .ORG will have a calendar that can be updated by members & an IRL meet section. <Venenum> I dunno. I'm not satisfied. Lets actually see a mission statement come out of this, at the very least. <Sariel> what kinda flavor are we going for here? <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> an MS is needed. <Auryn> Well why not give suggestions right now? <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Do it. <Sariel> I heard mention of the userfriendlyness? <Auryn> what should it say <Cappuccino> but just i want you to know that i'm still working on it... with the help of a friend of mine... <Auryn> It is the mission of the dkmu to : <Auryn> what

<Auryn> function <Auryn> how do you work <Sariel> I kinda like DKMU when it was all weird and mysterious and there were walrus's threatening you and things <Auryn> what do you build to offer unto yourselves <Cappuccino> thank you for that calendar <Cappuccino> Wizard_Robe_n_Hat <3 <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Any statement concerning us would undoubtedly be, still, open to some interpretation. We aren't after a dogma. <Auryn> Why are you a part of this. <Auryn> Why does it turn you on? <Auryn> Why are you all here? <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> We covered that earlier. :P <Sariel> It would be easy to cut and paste one from all the great iddoms of the olde group, and wikid fun to do so, but If you are looking at a completely new direction <Auryn> lol sry <Sariel> that means different things.. <Sariel> what direction are we going in exactly? * OmniZero (Mibbit@hypersigil-3344585B.wk.shawcable.net) has joined ## <Auryn> Or not going in. <OmniZero> That makes more sense <Drakonach> honestly, i feel the direction we need to go in is Experience.. <Sariel> (damn, I wish odo was here, he would just make some pastry annology and everyone would ooh and ahhh, and It would all make sense) <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> It won't be hard. How about - HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT: Everyone write a sentence (or short paragraph) regarding a mission statement. This can be done, but in any case, I don't think we'll have much trouble with it. <Sariel> Sure <Sariel> due in? <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Drak: Agreed. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> By next Sunday. lol <Sariel> Agree with Drak again <Drakonach> LOL <Cappuccino> lol <meowzers> ^ <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> We're all agreeing with Drak tonight. <Sariel> report here next sunday then? <Dav0r> I always felt part of this was to free us <Sariel> Drak is Awesome <Dav0r> whatever one may think "free" means <Sariel> no reason not to

<Venenum> my reason for being here hasn't necessarily changed much. I want to explore the mechanism of Reality, Understand why I'm here, and burn down what's no longer needed. <Sariel> FREEEEEEDOOOOOOM <meowzers> sunday and mission statements, i feel like you guys are trying to send me to africa <Sariel> lol <Drakonach> all i can say is since tapping into RK everything is flowing like intuition.. <Sariel> nice <Sariel> happy for you <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Venenum: That's perfect. Copy that in a text. If you feel like expanding on it later then do so. <Venenum> I'll do what I can. <Sariel> I'm here for the free donuts <Sariel> ;) <Drakonach> the desert calls Meow.. <Venenum> HA! <Drakonach> I just do what is and what shall be.. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> I'll just say right now: All things considered, the people here right now are the DKMU (fuck the title) or whatever it is at the moment. We'll all be the new inner circle. Fuck the past, bite the future. <meowzers> I came here, because I never wanted to stop learning and growing. It didn't last long.. <Sariel> and confuse the fuck out of everyone in the process. lol <Venenum> 'Fuck the past, Bite the future' <Dav0r> FUCK DA PO-LICE AND FUCK THE FUCKING DIAZ BROTHERS <Drakonach> only use the past to learn from, never to live within.. <Sariel> NO SHIT... <Sariel> hold on <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> yep * Venenum holding on * Wizard_Robe_n_Hat holds onto his rum * meowzers runs away * meowzers hisssssss <litlepick> O_o <OmniZero> I came here because it's a recluse for oddities and odd balls, and I fall into that category. That and there is a lot of real probing intellect here, that seems to not be present in many other places. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> ^ also good. save it to text. <OmniZero> People tend to be more down with figuring things out, and not about arguing who's "higher self" is stronger, or whateverthefuck.

* meowzers taps paws *waiting* * Venenum throws a fish to meowzers to keep her occupied <Sariel> got it! wrote this one up a while ago.... <Sariel> aww.. Its too big for chat. * meowzers perks head up <meowzers> waited now can i haz my pets <Sariel> here is part of it. ooh, so sweet the truth, the truth from all angles, and repetition elsusive, nessasary for the work, lest we forget why we came, for the feast, for the fire, for the damnation, for the salvation, <Sariel> there is more. <Sariel> I'll write it down in a more chat friendly format <Sariel> I'm just so happy that DKMU isnt actually dead <Sariel> It feels awesome to be working with you all again <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> yeah parts might cut off. a word doc is fine too <Cappuccino> i'm really happy about that :) <3 <Sariel> np. <meowzers> i like it sariel <Sariel> Its true <Drakonach> never dead.. only asleep.. dreaming of new dreams that were never dreamt before.. existing as we exist in our nightly travels upon aethyric planes of beauty and madness.. <Sariel> we want to seek shelter from our boring lives and make real change in the world around us <Venenum> that is not dead which can eternal lie? <Sariel> aye <Dav0r> yes <Sariel> and from the ashes it stirs, blinking yellow eyes, the devourer he waits, for someone to turn up the signal <Sariel> whoa <Sariel> shit <Sariel> ok. I gotta log off now <Drakonach> the alarm was set <Sariel> love you all keep me posted.. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> np, will resume next Sunday <Venenum> Night <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> night. and beware of that horny fucking cat :P * meowzers hiss <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> not you. lol <meowzers> i know <meowzers> lol <OmniZero> I'll make sure to be on earlier next sunday then <Dav0r> night Sariel <meowzers> but ill make my way there.. lol <Cappuccino> bye Sariel

<Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> 7-9 PM just to give everyone some time. <OmniZero> Take care <Drakonach> night Sariel.. <Drakonach> sleep sweet dear sister.. <Cappuccino> here is 4.30 am XD i really have to go to bed <Venenum> So, here we stand; Explore Reality, Explore Ourselves, Establish a Haven for those unable to find Home Elsewhere. And Ultimately be willing to Fuck the Past and Bite the Future. <meowzers> ^ <Cappuccino> the next meeting will be with our time...LOL <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Venenum: save save save it * meowzers has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) <Cappuccino> good night <3 i really love you all <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> night cappy <Dav0r> night Cappy * meowzers (Mibbit@hypersigil-EAE9FE8A.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined ## <Venenum> G'night! <Drakonach> Night Cappy.. sleep sweet sister in khaos.. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> If anyone wants to bring anything up I'll wait to copy the logs <Dav0r> I'm getting this odd feeling of inspiration. But it's not quite there. Kinda... like chewing on steak fat when you want the steak <Cappuccino> oh sweety drak <3 <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> but brb, bubbling pot to check <meowzers> so to recap, go home dkmu. you're drunk. or not drunk enough anymore? <Cappuccino> oh yeah <Cappuccino> a friend of mine wants to write an arcticle about us on his fanzine <Dav0r> meowzers: when it comes to drunk dkmu, I think I did a fairly good job <Sariel> whoa <Dav0r> Cappy: awesome. We should totally do that <Sariel> shit <OmniZero> Lol Dave <Sariel> ok <Sariel> um. <Sariel> yea, <Sariel> did I miss anything? <Dav0r> Omni: you should see the video Alys took of me <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> If DKMU was never drunk enough, then... (no words). <Dav0r> while drunk <Dav0r> it's pretty riotous

<Venenum> flapflapflap enterkey? <Drakonach> be back in a bit.. <OmniZero> Links? I cant watch it this moment but I will when I can. <Dav0r> Yes <Dav0r> Flap flap flap enter key <Dav0r> Omni: I don't have those <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> It was a night to remember. <OmniZero> Sounds like it <Dav0r> Alys: I would do it again <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Next time we meet. lol <Cappuccino> bye guys...i really have to go... i want this logs ok ? bye bye and kisses to everybody <Cappuccino> <3 <Dav0r> bye cappy <Dav0r> Alys, deal <Sariel> Send me the logs as well please <meowzers> ta ta my dear <Sariel> I REALLY NEED THEM <Sariel> gotta figure out what set that off.. <meowzers> i misread deal for dead.. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Going to paste & put in PDF if topics are done <Sariel> done <Sariel> thanks <Dav0r> sounds good * Cappuccino has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) <meowzers> k well im off too, going to shower then get laid. night all <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> For those who don't know, ## used to be the "Black Door", used primarily for meetings. We'll keep using it. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> night meow. Guess I'll put the pdf up <Dav0r> I love me some black door <meowzers> noted, k so again on sun at 7, correct <OmniZero> Good to know, thanks. <Dav0r> also, popped something and now I'm bleeding <Dav0r> yay <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Actually, no, I can't. Dav0r, are you using a real IRC client that's not mibbit? <Dav0r> I'm using colloquy * meowzers has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Can you scroll up to the beginning of it? <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> mibbit doesn't allow <Dav0r> Sadly, no. But I can try to see if colloquy saved the history

<Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> kk <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Or if anyone is using a real IRC client that can scroll all the way up, let me know <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> If you were here since the start <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> or see history. yeah. <Venenum> I'm on mibbit. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> guess I'll be downloading mIRC again before next Sunday <Drakonach> back <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> are you using Mibbit Drak? <Drakonach> yes <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> alright nvm, seems most are <Sariel> drak check your fb <Sariel> afk for 10 <Dav0r> Fuck <Dav0r> I don't think I'm able to find it <Dav0r> But next time I'll start saving <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> alright, asked Deffy too <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> I wouldn't think he'd be using mibbit <Venenum> so is anything else happening tonight, or are we happy with what we have? <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Btw if anyone wants to join the FB group that's focusing on a strictly DKMU book (regarding the godforms) let me know. <Dav0r> I'll help where I can with that <Dav0r> but I can't guarantee <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> That looks like all for tonight unless someone has questions or a topic. Until next Sunday. <Drakonach> groovy.. <Dav0r> I cannot think of any <OmniZero> Same time I suppose? <Dav0r> but I will think of one once we've adjourned <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Think about a group ritual for reinvigorating the current & charging the godforms... <Dav0r> okay <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> sunday entry 8-9 pm EST <Drakonach> RK is back asleep by the way.. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Although that might be made earlier so Chove can make it, but I know Drak has work along w/ some others on the weekend <Dav0r> could it be done at two times? or would that be too much? * litlepick has quit (Connection timed out) <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Drak: I'd agree. After the sigillum rit I felt his eye open (what I allocate him to, the archetypes, the awareness), which was probably to blame for the recent burst.

<Dav0r> like one for european people and those who can make it here in 'MER'CA and then one for the others? <Dav0r> I still haven't gotten my book <Drakonach> aye.. well the store closes at 4 but had other family things to attend today.. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Who was sending it to you again? <Dav0r> Amy <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> ah <Dav0r> I think she's been busy, so it's okay <Venenum> poor Cappy's gonna have to be up at 3a again. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> well she's here, ask her <Dav0r> I know <Drakonach> i have plans for another alarm soon enough.. <Drakonach> ;-) <OmniZero> Wake the slumbering beast up a bit more each time eh? <Venenum> alright, I'm out folks. I'll catch up with someone for the logs later, but let it be known I would like them. <Drakonach> this time it will be the red alarm, first time was the black.. <Venenum> and I might see you all next week. <Wizard_Robe_n_Hat> Drak, ever had any thoughts on a "white king"? <Drakonach> colors are significant..