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Armagdn03
Senior Member The Missing Fundamental Generator
As I stated in my Eccentric Transformer thread, I would provide some information on a new possible design, which is an extended use of the eccentric transformer theory. To start, it is important to understand the "missing fundamental effect" and the Hyperphysics website describes it well. "The subjective tones which are produced by the beating of the various harmonics of the sound of a musical instrument help to reinforce the pitch of the fundamental frequency. Most musical instruments produce a fundamental frequency plus several higher tones which are whole-number multiples of the fundamental. The beat frequencies between the successive harmonics constitute subjective tones which are at the same frequency as the fundamental and therefore reinforce the sense of pitch of the fundamental note being played. If the lower harmonics are not produced because of the poor fidelity or filtering of the sound reproduction equipment, you still hear the tone as having the pitch of the non-existant fundamental because of the presence of these beat frequencies. This is called the missing fundamental effect. It plays an important role in sound reproduction by preserving the sense of pitch (including the perception of melody) when reproduced sound loses some of its lower frequencies.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5762-missing-fundamental-generator.html (1 of 29)11/21/2011 1:08:10 PM
The presence of the beat frequencies between the harmonics gives a strong sense of pitch for instruments such as the brass and woodwind instruments. For percussion instruments such as the cymbal, the sense of pitch is less definite because there are non-harmonic overtones present in the sound."
In essence even if the fundamental tone is missing, either due to poor reproducibility or intentionally, it will be subjectively created through the beat frequencies of the natural harmonics.
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05-25-2010, 05:34 PM
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Armagdn03
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By the way, unlike my other thread, this one has not been experimented with, and is only a "train of logic" thread, a place to share my ideas in this fascinating phenomenon. To start, we can begin looking at the addition of harmonics (doublings and halvings only) I made these charts in excel by using the law of superposition of waves. First we have 50hz wave,
Notice a pure sine wave, with amplitude 1. Next we add in a 100hz wave doubling the 50, adding a harmonic...
Here notice that we have subtracted part of the wave, to add to the peak of another, notice that the maximum amplitude is now larger than 1. Here we will add in a third harmonic...150hz
What is interesting here is that these are not additions of random frequencies, rather these are naturally occuring additions of the strongest harmonic family the doubling and halving. Other families include thirds fifths sevenths etc. If you understand the superposition of waves, you will note that energy is conserved throughout, however, what is interesting to note, is that much of the energy has been compacted into small regularly spaced spikes of large amplitude.
05-25-2010, 05:46 PM
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Armagdn03
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Here is a very intersting video by researcher Eric Dollard speaking of specifically of the varying wave forms associated with different forms of resonance. In particular it is noted that the LC circuit will selectively enjoy one frequency. However when dealing with systems which behave more like natural resonant structures, we see the harmonics enter the game, and begin to change the shape and character of the wave. The third example he gives is a quarter wave resonator, with one end grounded and other end open "The harmonics are in phase, and we end up with impulses" YouTube - Part 2 of 6: Eric Dollard Tesla Longitudinal Wave Energy SBARC Ham Radio with Chris Carson Notice the resemblance to the last photo on the last page. Now take note that I have ONLY included the primary harmonic family (halving and doubling) (this the portion of the video of interest is from the beginning to about 2:00 minutes in) Here is an intersting photo of the 2nd and 3rd harmonics together
05-25-2010, 06:16 PM
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dragon
Senior Member following along...
I've been following along in your eccentric transformer thread, actually most of the work you've been sharing - resonance etc... I have to admit that it's similar to an alien teaching the caveman ( myself being the caveman ) as it gets difficult to follow at times... In any case, as I try to stumble along... is each additional frequency added at the same amplitude or power level as the first? Is there an explanation of why the lowest frequency would pick up the amplification of the others? This is actually one of the best explanations of the Smith or Kapanadze device I've seen so far... playing with my own experiments I've found ways to manipulate frequencies mildly but they seem to separate in multiples instead of combine. As shown below... Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge and I will continue to stumble along behind you.... ________
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05-25-2010, 07:14 PM
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Armagdn03
Senior Member Quote:
Originally Posted by dragon I've been following along in your eccentric transformer thread, actually most of the work you've been sharing - resonance etc... I have to admit that it's similar to an alien teaching the caveman ( myself being the caveman ) as it gets difficult to follow at times... In any case, as I try to stumble along... is each additional frequency added at the same amplitude or power level as the first? Is there an explanation of why the lowest frequency would pick up the amplification of the others? This is actually one of the best explanations of the Smith or Kapanadze device I've seen so far... playing with my own experiments I've found ways to manipulate frequencies mildly but they seem to separate in multiples instead of combine. As shown below... Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge and I will continue to stumble along behind you.... I wondered why I always got so few responses! ha ha ha I will start a second thread to this one entitled "playing with waves on excel" which will not only show what I am doing, but allow people to have fun themselves! Playing with Waves in Excel
05-25-2010, 08:25 PM
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Armagdn03
Senior Member
The image above comes from an AWESOME article written by Ray Tomes and his Harmonics Theory website! Harmonics Theory Physics and Maths This describes the energy flow relationship between harmonics, How do harmonics add to one another??? Subtract??? In the article Tomes describes different harmonic families, and begins by looking at the relative strengths of the harmonic families.
Here you can see that multiples of 2 and 3 are very strong and prominant harmonics, we have harmonics such as 2, 4,12,24,36 etc. If we back up and take into account many more we can see a relation to music!
And we can even go further to describe the harmonic families with neat little equations!
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The first family goes 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, ... or just the powers of 2. Initially these are the strongest harmonics but at 8 the harmonics dip below the next family, their cousins, 3, 6, 12, 24, 48, 96, 192, ... which are all powers of two times 3. Again these are the strongest harmonics from 12 to 48 but then 96 falls below the line of the next family. This process keeps repeating with families that are powers of two times 3, 3^2, 3^3, 3^4 and so on. It can be seen that the peaks of these coloured parabolas occur between 12 and 24 then 144 and 288 and so on. How cool is this??? we are describing all the frequencies which can arise naturally only out of the number 1 being a fundamental frequency! We are describing how they live with each other, create each other, SUSTAIN each other! We are figuring out which families are strongest! which ones will be the most prominant to appear in our apparatus as described by Dollard, and we know that when all are IN PHASE and summed within the same physical space. How do we create low frequency from High, how do we create high frequency from low, Answer these questions! This is what is important!
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05-25-2010, 08:59 PM
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Armagdn03
Senior Member
Enter the word "Parametrics" We may define parametric excitation as a change in the physical parameters of an oscillatory system, giving rise to oscillation. For example, In a pendulum oscillator, you have two main factors affecting the frequency of oscillation, the length of the pendulum, and the mass associated with it. If you vary either the length of the pendulum or the weight, you will cause a "pumping" action. If the frequency of the "pumping" is TWO times the natural frequency of the oscillator, you notice the amplitude begin to rise and rise. If it is anything other than this, it becomes VERY complicated, and by the looks of it random (though it is not). Think about this for a second. If you have a frequency "X" and it changes the parameters of an oscillator with a frequency X/2 (any kind) it will excite that frequency, and transfer energy to it. This means that a frequency X, gives rise to frequency x/2 if the conditions are correct. This can be applied to electronics even. For example, if you could vary (by 200hz) the inductance of an LC circuit with a resonant frequency of 100hz, you would generate power in the LC. Now the reality of the situation is this.......creating stress in a material be it magnetic or dielectric, will change the properties of this material. For example, if I have a core with a coil, I may have inductance "H". If I stick a very strong magnet to this core, will it have the same inductance??? NO! Because I have stressed the core, I have changed its characteristics, and the coil now has a changed parameter (the inductance has changed). Imagine a super simple generator, A magnet passes by a coil in the traditional orientation to create power...this is how we run our civilization. Now turn that coil 90 degrees so that when the magnet passes by it creates NO POWER. useless....right? No! Lets add to that coil a capacitor and now we have a tank circuit, of resonance 100hz. each time the magnet passes the core, it will change the inductance of the core. If it does so at 200hz, or twice the resonant frequency of the tank, it will create power in the LC (tank) circuit! All power created in this tank circuit will be 90 degrees opposed to the passing magnets.... meaning NO BEMF. This is a damn simple machine. Now consider this, any "wave" traveling through any space (cores, physical vacuum etc) will change the parameters of that space. This gives rise to NEW frequencies which are parametrically excited by this variation. This is how frequency is born, sustains, creates and propagates its cousin frequencies, this is how one frequency can give birth to many.
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05-25-2010, 09:12 PM
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Armagdn03
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Relevant information http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post73799 by Dr. Lindemann http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post90090 By Eric Dollard Parametric Power Multiplication parametric power multiplication by Dr. James F Corum Tesla expert Did you know that diodes can be used as variable capacitors??? Look up vericap Varicap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia someone start running with this!
05-25-2010, 09:42 PM
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Jetijs
Senior Member
Great stuff man I have also been thinking about this parametric change a lot lately. Seems this is the answer.
05-26-2010, 12:41 AM
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Harvey
Senior Member
Armagdn03, I salute you and the work you have done in this thread This is exactly what I was trying to stress in this post from another thread:
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Select 9 astable multivibrators, fixed frequency, random duty cycle. A fundamental frequency, four harmonics below and four harmonics above. Each oscillator should have a reset pin to allow independent reset. Run all 9 through an XOR gate. Using a randomization, randomly reset the oscillators to effect phase changes in the timing. This should be independent of the random duty cycle. ... If you want to see something really cool, use only odd harmonics and use as many as your program will allow and watch what happens to the sine wave. Cheers!
05-26-2010, 01:20 AM
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cody
Senior Member
Great info! I love it! I had been considering rigging up a tank circuit on my bedini motor, but never considered this. One question, the device you describe using magnets passing a coil to change the inductance, this would change the inductance in a sine wave fashion, if that makes sense. Would it not be better for the inductance to change in more of a square wave to keep up with the oscillations in the tank. Say we need 10mH and 20mH, this would occur at top dead center and dead between the magnets, but in between those positions we would get 11mH, 12mH, 13mH........ Would that not kill the resonant effect ? Keep the info coming please, fascinating stuff.
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05-26-2010, 03:39 AM
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Armagdn03
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Originally Posted by Harvey Armagdn03, I salute you and the work you have done in this thread This is exactly what I was trying to stress in this post from another thread: If you want to see something really cool, use only odd harmonics and use as many as your program will allow and watch what happens to the sine wave. Cheers! I am trying this now! I am creating a program which can handle 26 different frequencies with 1200 data points ploted for each, in phase! should be interesting!
05-26-2010, 09:24 AM
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Harvey
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I built a table of all the odd harmonics as follows: Column A - 'Angles' : Column Series starting with 0.2 step 0.2 stopping at 360 Cell B2 = Input Frequency Cell Q1 Row Series starting with 1 step by 2 stopping at 249 (used Fill on Edit menu) Cell Q2 = $B$2 * Q1 (copied to all cells to the right) for Row 2 Cell Q3 =(SIN(2*RADIANS($A3)*Q$2))/Q$2 This formula is copied to all cells for Range Q3:EK1802 Cell P3 = Sum(Q3:EK3) This formula is copied to all cells for Column P3:P1802 A Scatter Chart is made of Column P which shows the Sum of All odd Harmonics with the Fourier Series amplitude of each diminished by 1/n for each harmonic . (hence the '/Q$2' in the above equation). I put the chart left of Column P - that is why there is a gap in the columns there This tells us that any wave form of this shape is rich in odd harmonics which can be filtered out as pure sines and used at their individual frequencies. Food for thought: How many sentences of information could be encoded on a single cycle using an Ascii coding requiring 7 harmonics each? How could harmonics be shared and still retain the information? Pondering this helps us to realize how our brains function when they take the audio impulses from a single wire and transform them into a full orchestra of sound. It is because we have filtering systems that breakdown those harmonics. This perspective should also help us realize how we store and manipulate information in our minds.
05-26-2010, 10:23 AM
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ren
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Originally Posted by Harvey How could harmonics be shared and still retain the information? Pondering this helps us to realize how our brains function when they take the audio impulses from a single wire and transform them into a full orchestra of sound. It is because we have filtering systems that breakdown those harmonics. This perspective should also help us realize how we store and manipulate information in our minds.
Wow Harvey. For a second there I think my mind actually grasped/visualized that "filtering" system. But...now its gone though.
Love your work gentlemen. I was inspired to go back to the Solfeggio frequency pages I stumbled across along time ago. I forgot how fascinating it was. Thank you for your most valuable insights and contributions. Regards
05-30-2010, 05:54 PM
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boguslaw
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Armagedn03 Man, you are talking with sense! . That thread is worth more that all of your eccentric transformer threads. But keep in mind that accumulating energy in system is only a part of solution. Now you have to find a method to extract energy from pendulum without disturbing it with lenz law.Not eccentric transformer but truly open path method... The simplest way I know to do parametric resonance is to use two currents flowing in the same coil .Now you tell me what I'm thinking about...
05-30-2010, 08:25 PM
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Harvey
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Larger Image So there you have it. The sum of all Odd Harmonics produces a . . . How many odd harmonics can we fit in a single cycle of this type? Could each harmonic represent a single bit of information?
06-02-2010, 06:30 AM
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poii
Junior Member
boyce connection?
Doesn't Bob Boyce use the first and second subharmonic in the hex controller?
06-03-2010, 07:10 AM
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boguslaw
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06-03-2010, 07:59 AM
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Harvey
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Originally Posted by boguslaw ehhmmmm forget harmonics a return back to parametric oscillator Forget harmonics? Why? I'd be happy to explain the spreadsheet if you want me to. Did I include the fundamental in the last graph or is it an example of a "Missing Fundamental Generator"?
06-03-2010, 08:52 AM
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Raui
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Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New South Wales, Australia Posts: 222
Armagdn as always great thread. Instead of having that coil at 90 degrees to magnet you could spin variable capacitors out of phase with eachother so that one acts as a source and one acts as a sink. I believe that would also give you a similar excitation. I don't know if this is what you're trying to say but I thought I'd add a dielectric slant on things instead of keeping it soley magnetic Also Harvey, I'm not 100% sure but I think what he's saying is that by exciting the circuit parametrically we are indeed producing harmonics. Atleast that's what I made of the image accompanied by his post. Raui
06-03-2010, 02:43 PM
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boguslaw
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Originally Posted by Harvey Forget harmonics? Why? I'd be happy to explain the spreadsheet if you want me to. Did I include the fundamental in the last graph or is it an example of a "Missing Fundamental Generator"? Ok. I was wrong. I should rather said : let's find a correlation between parametric resonance and harmonics. Are harmonics a way to extract energy from external static source what happens inside parametric resonant circuit ? For example analyse a coil with artificially changed inductance at the correct moment. Together with capacitor such coil makes LC circuit which has a feature of accumulating energy much faster then normal resonant LC circuit (exponentially). From a paper I found I conclude that this energy is sucked from external source (static magnetic bias) somehow (I don't know how yet) and MAYBE it occur in circuit as harmonics ? But then this means that such harmonics add to the energy relocated back into capacitor (from collapsing magnetic field of variable coil) ! IMHO it's the REQUIRED way which allows accumulation of energy, because in all other situation that excess is probably radiated away as EM (radio) waves. Do you see something interesting ? In our nowadays LC circuits we are using semiconductor switches closing and opening LC circuit at the rate of resonant frequency, but... harmonics are FASTER then that. For me it means that when our switch open and magnetic field of coil collapse magnetic field generated by harmonic are already gone. What we NEED is a switch which operates at HIGHER rate ! at 2 or 4 or 8 times the resonant frequency and a very stable one.Simply to break each harmonic generated magnetic field at the peak of strength. Then each harmonic field collapse will ADD to the current generated by magnetic field collapse and stored in capacitance part of LC circuit. Seems like parametric resonant circuit is a natural form of more general circuits with positive feedback. On each subsequent period capacitor discharge has more energy.
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06-03-2010, 05:46 PM
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poii
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@Boguslaw The internal bias mentioned in your post #18 attachment sounds like a magnetic amp. "Coil with artificially changed inductance" is pretty much the definition of mag amp. It seems to me that when Boyce takes the full wave rectified inverter output and modulates it with 42.8, 21.4 and 10.7khz harmonics in the torrid there's a whole bunch of "coil with artificially changed inductance" going on. This thing almost killed him when he didn't have it loaded with the cell. @ All So I guess my question is, is he doing something that we can learn from here? I'm trying to stay on topic, and not hijack this thread. Peace to All
06-03-2010, 06:12 PM
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Hi all, This is just for interest, taken some time back on my STEAP circuit which is using parametric oscillation and is self running. Parametrics do work, but as of yet I have not had more time to work on this as I have been very busy on another project. Keep at this, I think it is a way forward Mike
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06-03-2010, 06:55 PM
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boguslaw
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Originally Posted by Michael John Nunnerley Hi all, This is just for interest, taken some time back on my STEAP circuit which is using parametric oscillation and is self running. Parametrics do work, but as of yet I have not had more time to work on this as I have been very busy on another project. Keep at this, I think it is a way forward Mike I don't see any spectacular in those screenshots. They should appear rising exponentially in time and collapsing at a high amplitude, which is not seen here.
06-03-2010, 08:25 PM
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dragon
Senior Member interesting tests...
I played with a toroid with 3 coils over a primary coil each driven by it's own PWM. The frequencies were set at 144, 288 and 576. There was a few oddities that showed up in the spikes but the most interesting part was when I added an earth ground to the system. Scope shot below... It seemed to latch on a 60 hz wave. I'm not sure if it has any significance but I found it quite interesting.... Another experiment was with a toroid with 2 main coils 180 degrees appart with approximately 40 turns of 20 wire then between them were two coils of 5 turns,also 180 degrees appart, one shorted and the other connected to a transistor that could be pulse shorted. Going on what Andrew stated the other day about changing or altering inductance. I charged the toroid similar to Leedskalnin's PMH assuming it would charge the core with flux. Activating the transistor on and off showed there was a change in flux or at least a change in activity. The second picture shows the scope shot of that experiment. I was driving the transistor base with a FG set at 1 volt p-p and I don't know how much of that was entering the coil . That test was inconclusive as I couldn't define how much of the FG was adding to the test. Still a very nice parametric response and very interesting results. It also occured to me the other day that a variable capacitor could be made similar to a speaker coil and activated by either internal or external frequencies thus giving a variable response in voltage. I haven't had time to put one together to test the idea, hopefully in the near future... Fun stuff ! ________
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06-03-2010, 11:05 PM
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Aaron
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06-04-2010, 03:28 AM
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Armagdn03
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Hello all! Sorry I have not replied, there was a mix up and I was unable to post for quite a while, but now am back! This topic was to illustrate how frequencies can alter one another, create beats, create changing parameters to induce other oscillations parametrically. I see no reason why anyone should not "hijack" this thread if it is relevant to this. @Harvy, Very nice demonstration, I will have to take a look for myself. @all, I think it would be very worth while to look into parameter changes in general, and here are a few thoughts that may be of use. First this is an incredible patent, I think many will enjoy....please read the introductory summary. Electrostatic energy generators and ... - Google Patent Search second, the Steorn setup, with the toroid and also the 2Sgen are both capable Parametric style setups. For example I took a toroidal inductor, measured its inductance 6.79mh. Then placed a neodynium magnet against it, decreasing its inductance to 0.08 this was a 84.85 fold decrease! In a generator such as "alternator having improved efficiency" by Jim Murray, he speaks of "synchronized parameter changes" same as Eric Dollard. This is because the machines to which they refer, create EMF in two ways, rate of change of parameters with respect to time, AND rate of change of magnetic field with respect to time. These must be synchronized correctly. The traditional "rate of change with respect to magnetic field" must charge the inductor or capacitor, and at just the right time, and for the correct durration, the rate of change of parameters with respect to time must decrease the parameter in question (inductance or capacitance)....however this is not always necessary, as shown in the patent described above.
06-04-2010, 08:31 AM
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boguslaw
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06-04-2010, 03:25 PM
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Armagdn03
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Two articles, One for the physisists amung us, and one for the builders.
http://www.eqator.org/papers/reid89.pdf - Interesting read, but heavy Alan Yates' Laboratory - Parametric Oscillator Experiment Practical application of parametric pumping circuits using varactors and reverse biased diodes. Interesting quote :"At half the tank resonance, there is a relatively efficient frequency doubling effect. There is a weak tripling effect at one third the resonant frequency too. This is parametric multiplication, or second and third harmonic generation. At the tank resonant frequency there is normal (but slightly distorted) resonance. At twice the tank frequency there is degenerate parametric oscillation." Enjoy!
06-05-2010, 12:44 AM
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Bruce_TPU
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The image above comes from an AWESOME article written by Ray Tomes and his Harmonics Theory website! Harmonics Theory Physics and Maths This describes the energy flow relationship between harmonics, How do harmonics add to one another??? Subtract??? In the article Tomes describes different harmonic families, and begins by looking at the relative strengths of the harmonic families.
Here you can see that multiples of 2 and 3 are very strong and prominant harmonics, we have harmonics such as 2, 4,12,24,36 etc. If we back up and take into account many more we can see a relation to music!
And we can even go further to describe the harmonic families with neat little equations!
How cool is this??? we are describing all the frequencies which can arise naturally only out of the number 1 being a fundamental frequency! We are describing how they live with each other, create each other, SUSTAIN each other! We are figuring out which families are strongest! which ones will be the most prominant to appear in our apparatus as described by Dollard, and we know that when all are IN PHASE and summed within the same physical space. How do we create low frequency from High, how do we create high frequency from low, Answer these questions! This is what is important! This IS the main part of the secret to the Steven Mark TPU. Intermodulation of 1 primary frequency with two carrier frequencies. The NEW CREATED frequencies are Harmonics of the F1. Do this in a closed loop race track, with the diameter set to the bandwidth of the harmonics, as to attract the EM wave as in a tuned magnetic loop antenna. The three frequencies are as follows: Oh and you can change the F1, as long as the two carrier frequency's remain the same to produce the desired effect of three frequencies producing HUNDREDS of harmonics with in a nano second. F1 for a 15" diameter is 30.075 KHz carrier frequency 1 is 115 KHz and second carrier frequency is 222 KHz. If you really want to get fancy, you can "double down" on the created frequencies by splitting the signal before input into the race track, and inverting one leg. Now
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5762-missing-fundamental-generator.html (28 of 29)11/21/2011 1:08:11 PM
send them in and you have intermodulation creating harmonics both in phase and out of phase. Oh, you'd better use lamp chord because you will need pulsed rectivied hv dc bias to harvest the additional current from the standing waves in the inner loop. You can download the spreadsheet showing exactly what those three frequencies do here: Bruce's TPU Theory and Experiments ver.1.2 I would suggest reading about 4 or 5 posts up from that and the following few pages after. It IS how the tpu works! Cheers, Bruce
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Armagdn03
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Very Interesting Bruce! I am surprised our paths have not really crossed earlier. I wonder....Have you built yourself a functioning unit yet? I would be very interested to see any validation testing you have done on this or similar theory.
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06-07-2010, 03:39 PM
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Armagdn03
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06-07-2010, 04:18 PM
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dragon
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Originally Posted by Armagdn03 Another interesting and pertinent article: Varactor / Varicap Diode :: Radio-Electronics.Com That is an interesting article, I ran into that some time back while searching for sources to experiment with them. I haven't found anything that is cheap enough to experiment with ( blow up - let the smoke out - or find success ). I have used diodes and LED's sucessfully. I remember you posted a picture or link to a rotary capacitor some time ago and I'm having a heck of a time finding it again. Do you happen to remember this device and where I could locate it again? I'd like to build a smaller test unit. Thanks for all your help and sharing of this information... ________ WENDIE 99
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06-07-2010, 04:27 PM
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Armagdn03
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Originally Posted by dragon That is an interesting article, I ran into that some time back while searching for sources to experiment with them. I haven't found anything that is cheap enough to experiment with ( blow up - let the smoke out - or find success ). I have used diodes and LED's sucessfully. I remember you posted a picture or link to a rotary capacitor some time ago and I'm having a heck of a time finding it again. Do you happen to remember this device and where I could locate it again? I'd like to build a smaller test unit. Thanks for all your help and sharing of this information... The pictures were provided by Dr. Peter Lindemann, Peter, whatever happened with Eric P. Dollard? Here are a few patents which pertain to this as well... 3013201 Self Excited variable capacitance electrostatic generator
3094653 Electrostatic Generator 6936994 Electrostatic energy generators and use of the same 3412318 Variable capacitor electric power generator Pop any of these into Google patents for a quick PDF download Google Patents
06-07-2010, 05:14 PM
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dragon
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Originally Posted by Armagdn03 The pictures were provided by Dr. Peter Lindemann, Peter, whatever happened with Eric P. Dollard? Here are a few patents which pertain to this as well... 3013201 3094653 6936994 3412318 Self Excited variable capacitance electrostatic generator Electrostatic Generator Electrostatic energy generators and use of the same Variable capacitor electric power generator
Pop any of these into Google patents for a quick PDF download Google Patents Thanks Armagdn03 ! Quite helpful... I was thinking it was in one of your posts. It would seem you would need a reasonably large capacitance to get a useful amount of energy from them although a quick and dirty experiment I did with 2 tubes, one inside the other separated by cardboard showed some interesting results using only a 6 volt input and moving the tubes in and out. I was able to bring a secondary capacitor to 7.28 volts with a 6.3 volt input but it didn't seem to occur all the time. That's usually the case with a quick and dirty experiment but it did show some potential that was inspiring enough to build something a little more precise. Thanks again... PS.. do you still need or want the PVC tube with a 10 grove per inch ? I've been keeping my eye out for some materials and I think I may have found something in the 6 inch range. ________ house wives Webcams
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Dragon what tools do you have at your disposal? I have been posting electrostatic versions.....but have a pretty wicked idea for doing the inverse are you able to cut electrical steel sheets? (2d lamination) If not, perhaps, I can mail you a set of 4 mu metal cores which could be used. Ill PM you with some details and perhaps you could let me know if you are up to the challenge. I just moved into a temporary new living situation where my shop is 300 miles away, and cannot really build anything mechanical at the moment. This aside, many others are much more adept than I at mechanical setups. Should be very very simple.
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Originally Posted by Armagdn03 Dragon what tools do you have at your disposal? I have been posting electrostatic versions.....but have a pretty wicked idea for doing the inverse are you able to cut electrical steel sheets? (2d lamination) If not, perhaps, I can mail you a set of 4 mu metal cores which could be used. Ill PM you with some details and perhaps you could let me know if you are up to the challenge. I just moved into a temporary new living situation where my shop is 300 miles away, and cannot really build anything mechanical at the moment. This aside, many others are much more adept than I at mechanical setups. Should be very very simple. Armagdn03,, I have a CNC plasma cutter that will cut anything conductive, it's not as clean as a lazor but does a reasonably good job. If I can draw it I can cut it... I don't have a source for electrical steel though, low carbon ( 1010 or 1008 ) I can get . I do have some M19 silicon rolls but it's only 5/8" and 3/4" wide on a huge rolls I use for small alternators. Is this a way of altering induction? Let me know what you have in mind. ________ Starcraf 2 replay
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Originally Posted by Armagdn03 Very Interesting Bruce! I am surprised our paths have not really crossed earlier. I wonder....Have you built yourself a functioning unit yet? I would be very interested to see any validation testing you have done on this or similar theory. PM me your email address and I will send you some "interesting" things. Anyone wanting to experiment with harmonics and intermodulation can do the following Steven Mark experiment: (you need a spectrum analyzer) But first, in Steven's own words: "It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.Then you can measure all kinds of things going on. You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.What I measured during this process was very interesting. All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output." AND "I was working at a laboratory at the time with much more sophisticated equipment then is available to even most manufacturing companies. I was able to analyses everything coming out of this simple two transformer AC high voltage circuit. In most power supplies there is lots of hash coming out and designers use a .05 or so to short out as much as possible before it gets to the smoothing capacitors. This hash comes from the mains supply and especially from the transformers themselves. Then the smoothing capacitors take out the rest of the multiple frequency hash along with the gigantic 60 Hz ac left in the B+. I became interested in the interaction between the two AC transformers. The interaction can be very revealing, trust me. Also, there is another interesting analogy. We seem to overlook so many things in our society. They are right in our faces but we just look around them without interest at all. When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks." Cheers, Bruce
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Capacity changer - Google Patent Search Another VERY interesting patent, and a bit of documentation from the good folks at rexresearch.com Joseph Hiddink: One-Terminal Capacitor -- Articles & USP#4095162
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Please do read the page on Rexresearch provided above before the patent, it is probably the most interesting thing I have read in a while.
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Originally Posted by Armagdn03 Please do read the page on Rexresearch provided above before the patent, it is probably the most interesting thing I have read in a while. see : Inventors: Patrick Cornille, Jean-Louis Naudin Application number: 10/472,714 Publication number: US 2005/0057116 A1 An electric energy source is made by means of a plate capacitor in interposing a set of plasma tubes between the plates. The assembly is subjected to cycles for the charging of the capacitor. These cycles comprise the excitation and the de-excitation of the gas of the plasma tubes. It is shown... Inventors: Patrick Cornille, Jean-Louis Naudin Electrical power source - Google Patent Search
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Originally Posted by wings see : Inventors: Patrick Cornille, Jean-Louis Naudin Application number: 10/472,714 Publication number: US 2005/0057116 A1 An electric energy source is made by means of a plate capacitor in interposing a set of plasma tubes between the plates. The assembly is subjected to cycles for the charging of the capacitor. These cycles comprise the excitation and the de-excitation of the gas of the plasma tubes. It is shown... Inventors: Patrick Cornille, Jean-Louis Naudin Electrical power source - Google Patent Search
and discussion: Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works. Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works.
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Originally Posted by wings and discussion: Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works. Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works. Dr Stiffler YouTube - MRH2O2's Channel
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A while back I had the idea of introducing two related ideas, the Missing fundamental generator, and the degaussing generator. The first part of that was this thread. The second part was never shown because of time constraints. However, instead of starting a new thread, I will simply add it on to this one as an application of the Missing fundamental concepts. The concept is simple, and in some ways related to the work done with the TEP by Naudin and Dr. Stiffler. imagine a ferrite core with a coil warped around its circumference. Now on each end of the core we have two Neodymium magnets, brought to within a distance that will place the core just at its saturation point. These magnets will set up a permanent B field through the axis of our coil. Perpendicular to our core and coil with magnet setup, we have several other transmitter coils. So we have now our pickup coil wrapped around a magnetically biased core. Perpendicular to this arrangement we have several transmitter coils. Because of the perpendicular orientations, the transmitter coils and the pick up coil and core will have no mutual induction. Therefore transformer action of the traditional sense is not possible. The transmitter coils will consist of a set of frequencies, the difference between each will be the "missing fundamental". When the transmitters are active, their fields will constructively add via the superposition of waves theorem having their resultant appear within the core of the pick up coil. The core will now experience what is known as a DeDegaussing field. The quick high frequency oscillations of the transmitters will alternate between a field which will disorientate the magnetic domains of the core, then reduce to zero, allowing the biased core to return to a magnetically quenched state. To the pick up coil, it will see a core that changes between saturation and alignment of the B field within, and a chaotic non oriented state. Effectively we are changing the B field Flux within the core at the beat frequency, or the missing fundamental frequency of the transmitters. Not only are all coils mutually perpendicular with only the core to share, but their frequency outputs and inputs are vastly different, giving two "levels" of separation between output and input.
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The correct spacing of the elements can be shown in the math of the "eccentric transformer theory" thread. Here are some related concepts and links, which use similar action within a core. The Steorn Orbo motor replication by JL Naudin 2SGen, an amazing tiny Solid State Generator by JL Naudin and links on this page.... JLN Labs - Scalar Waves Research which deal with the TEP. and here by Dr. Stiffler Energy Conversion by Articulated Transfer
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Originally Posted by wings Dr Stiffler YouTube - MRH2O2's Channel Yes I am very familiar with those patents, discussions and videos, very very good documentation to be looking at. I am currently using similar technology in my current project, which is a parallel to this, however there is definitely "something to that". Thanks for sharing, I was being a bit greedy and had not posted them yet, however they are fantastic so people should take note...thanks again!
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Originally Posted by wings see : Inventors: Patrick Cornille, Jean-Louis Naudin Application number: 10/472,714 Publication number: US 2005/0057116 A1 An electric energy source is made by means of a plate capacitor in interposing a set of plasma tubes between the plates. The assembly is subjected to cycles for the charging of the capacitor. These cycles comprise the excitation and the de-excitation of the gas of the plasma tubes. It is shown... Inventors: Patrick Cornille, Jean-Louis Naudin Electrical power source - Google Patent Search My above description of the Degaussing generator, is similar to the method of decreasing capacitance of a charged condenser, however it decreases the inductance of a charged core. Not the same (as Naudin's unit uses optical coherence), but parallel in a few ways.
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Wow! In the AAATRS device the ratio between these frequencies is over 7600 and if you take the main resonant frequency from the copper plates (1.6Mhz) to calculate this ratio, then it comes out to over 32000
At first, it sounds ridiculous that one could actually harmonically couple two frequencies with a
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ratio of 32000 difference, however, looking at the following post seems to show that that there are specific harmonics which show a particularly strong energy signature: http://www. energeticforum. com/renewableenergy/5762missingfundamentalgenerator. html#post96365 Ironically enough, according to the harmonic charts shown in the post, harmonic 8,640 and 34,560 show
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Well I don't believe anyone can claim rights over this process. This is the very wheel work of the universe itself. I was merely pointing out that someone else had the idea. Lets concentrate on the task at hand to learn everything about this process. This is the very essence of the way things work. Be safe. Tesla made warnings about low level versions of this field. The lower the frequency the stronger the radiations become and eventually will affect your matter as well. Keeping the frequency above 2k is what he recommended. Yes you have to compensate by using higher voltages but the damage to matter becomes less and the response becomes higher because the density of the surface you create becomes higher but affects matter less this way.
There was a certain Iron Tesla used for this process. A very soft iron laminated very finely. This process was given to
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If you have not figured out a circular piece of Ferris material can be charged. This is evident by the forces present that holds two halves together while working, Ed Leedskalnin figured this out. Once the circle is charged it has plenty of fluid inside of it. Sqeeeze it and it acts like a balloon the clowns make. You know the long thin ones. Think of a loop of that and squeeze a little portion and the entire tube expands. Even beyond the channel it rides in(Ferris channel). Think about this from that point of view and you will see what you are doing. Remember the surface longitudinal waves the copper is producing (both inside and outside of the core). What happens inside of the
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core imparts a small inertia to this surface. You could think of it like the event horizon of a black hole. There seems to be three different types of surfaces. All related to one charge polarity (+). One with all Big (+, low density, highest mass) magnetic field. One with Big (+, low density) and small (+, highest density) and one small (+, highest density) High Voltage field. With the advent of the Bifilar coil this allows you to harvest both waves at the same time. Both north and south are harvested by the Bifilar and even double the force in one single direction, all in one package in one slice of time. I hope this helps some. P.S. Link about Health aspects of this energized field. http://www. teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-articlehigh-frequency-oscillators-for-electrotheutic-and-other-purposes?start=20
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Still hunting for ferrite resonance. While pulsing the copper strip with 20 Hz square pulses, measuring the 3 coils for identical resonance, however i find: 15 turn = ringing freq. 13 Mhz!! 50 turn = ringing freq. 1.2 Mhz 150 turn = ringing freq. 145 Khz Measuring the 3 coils resonance later on by inputting a signal via a 2 turn loop from my FG and scoping the
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coils i found: 15 turn = resonating at 1.667 Mhz 50 turn = resonating at 1.294 Mhz 150 turn = resonating at 153 Khz
So the "out of line" coil here is the 15 turn coil ringing at 13 Mhz, resonating at 1.667 Mhz.
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course BH losses, eddy and hysteresis, but also flux leakage along the wire (when the strand are nearly together) in my test those two strand was separated by a small film of copper, (a film of aluminium, copper, even air (through a plastic like material)) give me the same result. The best to avoid
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flux leakage will be a good permeability wire and a diamagnetic material (like bismuth) surrounding this wire...
You guys have missed the entire point. THERE ARE NO LOSSES WHEN THIS IS SETUP CORRECTLY. And this is why OU eludes the masses when it has been explained again and again in various guises. Do people not read? You don't keep it (the transformer) linked between pulses. STEEL IS SUPER CONDUCTIVE (MAGNETICALLY) IN THAT MOMENT OF TIME AFTER
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THE FIRST PULSE. THEN you OPEN the xformer (no input dipole attached) and get a 'bolt' of energy back for free just as strong as the first one you injected which is harvested by the output coil. I stated this earlier.... two for the price of one. If you gear the coils correctly you can get more out. However NOT by simply smashing the AC back and forth! You will heat up steel in no time with that method and lose a bunch of energy.
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There you can see Avramenko touch also the line without getting shocked... But this is normal, when he uses a few Mhz radio frequency, so the waves just go on the surface of the skin, so not flowing through your body and will not shock you.
Stefan, this above , have nothingt to du with the serbian invention. this Avramenko ist only (and nothing more) than simply Highfrequencypower-oszillation. the Led shown only some miniwatts, that will distributed from the two little antennas (end of circuit) to the enviroment. (aether) (i Have done this with pretty more input power with normal filament 220v bulbs about 50 years ago. EACH ONE older radio-amateur know this system !! I have not
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invented this! This are very old knowledges. NOT "a new wheel" this is invented by avramenko , kapanadze, and all this guys.... Never more out than in ... Gustav Pese
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(i Have done this with pretty more input power with normal filament 220v bulbs about 50 years ago. EACH ONE older radioamateur know this system !! I have not invented this! This are very old knowledges.
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NOT "a new wheel" this is invented by avramenko , kapanadze, and all this guys....
Hi Pese, yes,the Avramenko plug is not OU, but you can transfer also a lot of energy via this way over one wire. I have seen a picture where he lighted up a 1 KW Bulb with it with just a small single wire transfer. You only need the right fast diodes and a good foil capacitor at the receiver. But the Miletic invention seems to
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be just magnetic as explained above. P.S. By the way, I wonder if the circuit Fig. 14 in http://amasci.com/ elect/mcoils.html is the trick to the Kapanadze device ? As you make the iron core into a coil there you amplify the A-Field and if you put a big sized output wire there through it as Kapanadze does, he gets huge currents out of it. So maybe the real part of the Kapanadze circuit is such an A-Field amplifier iron coil just powered by a sparkgap high voltage power supply ? So maybe his few
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turns of big sizedwire on his coil is just isolated iron wire ? ( sorry this is of course offtopic over here)
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insulated wires. 4. The Middle Wire is the OUTPUT WIRE that powers the bulb and drill motor in the video.
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1. The Center Output Wire is Capacitively Coupled and Inductively Coupled to the Outside 2 Mains Wires on the board. 2. The Center Output Wire acts as an ANTENNA, so to speak. FURTHER RESEARCH: 1. If the all Copper Wires don't work, maybe the Center Wire has to be Iron? 2. Maybe the Center Wire has to be Copper and the Outside Wires Iron? 3. Maybe 1, 2, or all 3 Wires have to be Iron or Aluminum? 4. Etc. .
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Savings in the amount of wire required to wire a house alone would be significant if this really works as shown. Also, just think of number of house fires prevented as well as other safety factors. This invention could be worth multimillions. Lowering insurance costs, cost
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of wiring, cost of transfering electricity and more. What do you think would be the best way to replicate this effect? Bill
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devices,we wont see it coming from him. The energy cartels are not going to want to lose money.
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phase and earth 1:03- 1:18 three insulated wires are brought to this one uninsulated wire, which than conduct all three: phase, null and earth and is totally safe. So 1 mm wire. 1:29-1:48 It can not cause fire, spark can not get out of it, it can not kill anyone. Even if we cut it like this, this will cause internal power cut and spark would not come out. Thanks to
sseti from Slovenia for the translations! 2:03-2:11 Here I hold the wire, hand can be wet everyone can check it 2:35-2:52 It uses 40-50 wats instead of more kilowatts in owen (boiler) for heating water. Temperature is adjusted as desired. Here is adjusted at around 40 degrees. When we release the current all this is (?thermo something?) and it slowly growing.
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3:28-3:47 What almost no one could do is such a small dimension , because this small (dimension) is already conducting more than 5 kilowatt hour khmmm (he repaired him self) kilowatts. Over 5 kilowats even it is 1 mm, a little bigger could conduct over 50 kilowats. Reporter said that he used this wire for heating water. In the start of video reporter
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when it has been explained again and again in various guises. Do people not read?
You don't keep it (the transformer) linked between pulses. STEEL IS SUPER CONDUCTIVE (MAGNETICALLY) IN THAT MOMENT OF TIME AFTER THE FIRST PULSE. THEN you OPEN the xformer (no input dipole attached) and get a 'bolt' of energy back for free just as strong as the first one you injected which is harvested by the output coil. I stated
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If you gear the coils correctly you can get more out. However NOT by simply smashing the AC back and forth! You will heat up steel in no time with that method and lose a bunch of energy.
Did you mean pulsed DC instead sine AC ? Curious because in pulsed DC you have some eddy and hysteresis losses too... Yeah, I know that Tesla used pulsed DC to obtain Radiant effect... So where is the OU even with pulsed DC, sorry but in this invention I don't see OU, bust a different (and safely) way to
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transmitt energy over long distance with little losses, the application can be power line, instead flowing 400 KVolts at 1000 amps, you just flipping small magnetic dipole in a steel wire over thousands kilometers...
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flowing 400 KVolts at 1000 amps, you just flipping small magnetic dipole in a steel wire over thousands kilometers...
Pardon but OU is just that amplification of efect of small energy.No magical creation of energy. Law of conservation of energy is not violated, we are just doing much more work using tiny initial energy.
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So where is the OU even with pulsed DC, sorry but in this invention I don't see OU, bust a different (and safely) way to transmitt energy over long distance with little losses, the application can be power line, instead flowing 400 KVolts at 1000 amps, you just flipping small magnetic dipole in a
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Yes....that's what I said. PULSES and that AC is useless (in two regards). 1) You want to 'bang' that iron (steel) like you are swinging a hammer
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anything like that. In my opinion we only have capacitors and a small coil and no special conductor, just steel wire. I am planing to investigate and try to replicate this one, for me this is a great discovery.
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As you make the iron core into a coil there you amplify the A-Field and if you put a big sized
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output wire there through it as Kapanadze does, he gets huge currents out of it.
So maybe the real part of the Kapanadze circuit is such an A-Field amplifier iron coil just powered by a sparkgap high voltage power supply ? So maybe his few turns of big sizedwire on his coil is just isolated iron wire ? ( sorry this is of course offtopic over here)
Where is the transformer ? do you see how small is "device" where is wire attached to any classical feromagnet would require high frequency for such small "tranformer core like wire" and there is no space for eletronics
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single-wire transmission by simply putting a diode on one of the 2 A/C wires.... but where is the return path? sure you have 120v pulsed DC, but with respect to what? wheres the potential? the "ground" ? is it simply earth-ground? using the fault-circuit? how is the power drawn off of the 1wire?
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what? wheres the potential? the "ground" ? is it simply earthground? using the fault-circuit?
Read this http:// www.tfcbooks. com/tesla/191905-00.htm Fig 4 will explain all and even more !
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effect you can carry two current in same wire, for example a DC/low frequency current for a path and a high frequency for the return path, everything in same wire ?
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How that could help ? Still low frequency current would kill. However if it's high
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Reply 3. There is NO CURRENT drawn from the 230 V Mains, because the 3 wires are insulated wires. #55 on: June 21, 4. The Middle Wire is the OUTPUT WIRE that powers the bulb and drill motor in the video. 2011, 12:02:54 AM
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1. The Center Output Wire is Capacitively Coupled and Inductively Coupled to the Outside 2 Mains Wires on the board. 2. The Center Output Wire acts as an ANTENNA, so to speak.
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1. If the all Copper Wires don't work, maybe the Center Wire has to be Iron? 2. Maybe the Center Wire has to be Copper and the Outside Wires Iron? 3. Maybe 1, 2, or all 3 Wires have to be Iron or Aluminum? 4. Etc. .
No, I think he shows there only 3 of his units in parallel ! See, he has 3 plugs at the end and 3 steel wires going parallel and also touching each other. Each steel wire is for one plug at the other end. He probably wanted to show with it, that the wires can come in contact with each other and it does not matter and is still safe, when you use 3 phase wire systems... in the 3rd device he shows, there you can see, how big the transformers are between the steel wire. Have a look at these 2 devices circled in red color probaly wrapped into some yellow painted paper or plastic foil or something like this....
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Reporter: At the first sight it seems as a regular copper wire, you turn on electricity and on the other end light bulb glows, but as Milutin Miletic says this wire can be touched with no worries with bare hands even when connected to the electricity. Isolator is not needed and current does not kill anymore. MM: I have the product: wire that transfers energy without charge and without emitting electrons. So you don't have 220 volts, but 0 volts. Reporter: For more than 20 years MM in his apartment used his invention to save on electricity. Wire does
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not need insulation and it can be used in many ways. MM: Wire can be used for heating or just for energy transfer. When used for hearing it can have temperature from 20 degrees Celsius to 1000 degrees Celsius. It depends on the material you use to maintain this high temperature. Reporter: For his invention "electricity conductor" MM has special formula, he makes the wire by himself and he says the manufacturing process is not complicated. He does not have a special research laboratory. MM (1:32)
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**** Sorry but I don't understand what is he saying, perhaps we have some native speakers from Serbia on forum?... *** Something about thousand chemical materials... Reporter: MM says that he invented his special wire 20 years ago. He claims that if this wire would be used in the households there would be no more accidents and fires because of short circuits.
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somebody that speaks his language try calling Mr Milutin Miletic to see if he will release a wiring diagram. You could explain to him that since he ALREADY APPLIED FOR A PATENT, nobody can steal it from him. Once he understands that, maybe he will release a wiring diagram? Stefan, can you post his phone number again for somebody
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Re: Safe If this device is using zero volts No matter what the input voltage is,then the use One of magnetic current may be in order like Ed L used. Instead of doing it by hand it Wire energy could be done at 50/60hz. There are 3 coils in the setup shown. transfer Notice how there is no return on the bulb. by Serbian inventor Milutin Miletic
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Re: Safe Quote One Wire energy Nice drawing IotaYodi transfer by Serbian That wasnt me. This comes off Ed L Magnetic Current book. Page 21. inventorThere are only 39 pages to this book. If you have never read it I suggest you download the pdf. Milutin Miletic http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:C5MeCiycpuwJ:freeenergynews.com/Directory/Magnets/Leedskalnin/Magnetic Reply #69 on: June 24, 2011, 02:37:34 AM
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Quote from: IotaYodi on June 24, 2011, 02:37:34 AM Safe One Wire That wasnt me. This comes off Ed L Magnetic Current book. Page 21. energy transfer There are only 39 pages to this book. If you have never read it I suggest you download the pdf. by Serbian http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:C5MeCiycpuwJ:freeenergynews.com/Directory/Magnets/Leedskalnin/Magneticinventor Milutin Current_Edward-Leedskalnin_51pp.pdf+magnetic+current Miletic +pdf&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgcrGKwHt7Odo_olzwmQKAMG5gKJ0tJKScOQvtqlIycn22Avtk3nzCObQr2WeQhgq5NCnJW Reply #70 on: 8bQOWwcKZyORldVuooQ1YEx2pYtySs1JoHqOfdtE-4ShMeElRpk6DuP6XIVLMCm&sig=AHIEtbSpqAXpaWgOQCUz7MCb8wwL17NbHQ June 25, 2011, 10:26:30 Im in agreement with Stefan here. Its dipole flipping just like the Ed L experiments. The 2 main bus bars alternate back and forth PM
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It is also how our DNA works or functions. What you are seeing is only a flat plane of the 3 dimensional
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pattern. If you were to make it 3d then you would see that the plane travels in a spiral much like our DNA does. What you are seeing is much like an oscilloscope displays. With only one plane visible by flattening the waves together or viewing them from the side. One clue to this is how a wire that takes too much current spirals itself as the coating melts slightly.
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Excellent Scotty! Didnt know there were that many errors. Please let us know when the document is done. I for one want it.
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example, and the rotary example used everywhere on power poles ? When you take apart a stepdown transformer from a pole, and get past that lovely gooey dialectric they use in them, all you have is a yodel of metal plates forming induction coupling. there are no "Windings" in the traditional sense, as one might expect to find in there... One can get the impression they are just like the typical layout of an electrolytic capacitor, but things I have read on
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forums by power workers seem to indicate they believe they operate by induction. That is not far from the preposed "magnetic current" postulated here, just rolled up like a yodel into a more compact form for utility use. If his linear illustrative example model was rolled up, we would all just call it a transformer and be done with it. By being a set of straight wires, it still is a transformer, but it makes us think a little harder about the whole thing,
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It's amazing that something that we think it's new and "could be lost", is something that it has been known and apparently very used.
Yesterday I was thinking about that when I saw the bumper cars. I noticed that the cars have like an antenna that is in contact with a highvoltage net. But... what is the important point here? It seems that the antenna is only one wire, and
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Also, I usually use the train. In the city I live the train is electric and doesn't use fossil fuel. If you look at the power line, the train is using exactly the same technique like the bumper car (at least apparently). The electric cable is using only 1 wire!! And those trains use several KiloWatt to move.
Trams/train are used approximately 1000V DC. Wire in the air is positive (+1000 V), the rails are negative (-). Two wires!
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the beginning he said that he is very happy that someone is interested for his work after some period of time. In an interview with him, it was difficult to understand him due the speech in his age and because of poor telephone connections. MM has said that the patent is secret until it is established that the MM is actually the one who invented the thing. The patent was filed in Serbia. When asked whether he wanted to say something about the method of manufacturing wires or hidden passage of three wires in one, he said that he will not talk about it because this is his secret. When
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I explained to him that he had already filed a patent to him and no one can steal or take from him the invention or patent, he told me that we need to spoke about the presentation or any other information with his delegate who is his neighbor (tel. +38137841787, name: Dzukic Zika- original = uki ika) . In an interview, the only thing he said is that copper is the best conductor of electricity (on question about wire mixture). After talking with MM I get the impression that MM would be willing to give information about the wire and method of manufacture of a relatively small investment. ( He
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said that he had in the past, man who has invested 1000 EUR (thousand) for the wire put on the market in Italy, but later he do not know what happened to this man.) MM does not have access to the Internet for discussion on forum, neither his neighbur . For now thats is all and I personaly think that MM will not give any information over the phone or without any investement.
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transfer In the videos the wire he holds in by Serbian his hand looks almost silvery, inventor Milutin and I would say it is Nickel Miletic based. He also mentioned
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heating wire, or Nichrome wire, which has about 60 % Nickel in it, and Nickel is
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Also, I'm including a picture of a Nickel alloy wire. EM PS. I think the inventor ASSUMES he can use copper, but has not shown that in the videos. Copper is a different color. Shokac, if you talk to him again, ask Can your wire be
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any length? Also, why do you only show wires of about 1 meter in length. Also, what was his profesion in life before he retired?
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3. Why, because the output Wire appears to be a DIFFERENT SHINY WIRE than the 3 Wires on the board.
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Well, I did at least imply recently that I thought Milutin was rather following Tesla's work with the hairpin circuit. I just never saw the wiring diagram in the cited OU.com page above (posted Reply #932, pg. 63 of that thread). Also, J. Naudin did similar work with something like a Xenon flash tube extracting electrons from the environment. With one wire. Then, too, it appears that Milutin may be influenced by Avramenko and his 'fork; plug' circuit. Lastly, Tito is also correct in saying electricity flows in one direction; I have a thread on OUR.com to that effect. He's right. --Lee
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I just had to give a tiny shock on the rod to see a wave form on the oscillo. As far as a can remember the voltage was on the Milli Volts range.
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