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Topic Title: motor rated fuse 63M100 Topic Summary: what max zs do you use Created On: 31 January 2010 02:50 PM Status: Post and Reply

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31 January 2010 02:50 PM If a circuit is protected by a 63M100 BS88 fuse, do you look at the fuse as being a 63A or 100A when checking the cable size is big enough. Also what max zs value do you use for the circuit- max zs for a 63 or 100A fuse?

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Posts: 24 Does anyone have any links to some manufactures information regarding this? Joined: 12 February Thanks. 2009 Top : Bottom 31 January 2010 03:07 PM Treat the fuse as a 63A fuse, so your looking for a cable with a ccc of 63A+ industryspark Posts: 485 Joined: 23 October 2006 Whenever ive used gm fuses ive always got the maximum Zs straight from the manufacturer. Use Lawson or Bussman fuses and have a look on their websites-loads of technical info on there. Regards.

Top : Bottom 31 January 2010 06:37 PM Thanks industryspark, I've had a look at the manufactures sites but cant find any reference to what max zs to use for gM fuses and which rating to use. I will keep looking though cheers

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Top : Bottom 01 February 2010 05:41 PM Hi all, I still can't find any info regarding how to treat these fuses on manufactures sites. Can anyone offer any assistance please. I need some hard evidence! Thanks

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Top : Bottom 01 February 2010 07:11 PM Here is a clue that might help the budding teachers as well. A dual rated gM fuse such as a 63M100 has a continuous rating of 63A and the operating characteristics of a 100A fuse, so what would the loop impedance be!?

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regards ------------------------"Take nothing but a picture, leave nothing but footprints!" ------------------------rocknroll "Oh! The drama of it all." ------------------------Posts: 8353 Joined: 03 October "You can throw all the philosophy you like at the problem, but at the end of the day it's just basic electrical theory!" 2005 ------------------------Top : Bottom 01 February 2010 09:01 PM Thanks RnR, i take it as you are saying treat it as a 100A with regards to max zs etc but where can i find some info on this? anyone know? thanks Search the Forums advanced search

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Posts: 485 Joined: 23 October For a 100A fuse(i presume its a bs88) you can get the information out of the Big red 2006 book.........but you might have to calculate it using information from the time/current charachteristics graph. Regards. Top : Bottom 01 February 2010 11:06 PM

No, the lower current rating is the maximum continuous rating which also determines the rating of cable and equipment on the circuit to which the fuse is fitted. The higher current rating is the time/current characteristic which determines its ability to withstand the motor starting current. The secret lies in the little 'g' as in gG, gM etc; forget the capital letter that is just the type of application such as G for general purpose and M for motor protection. The 'g' means 'full range' - all currents which cause the melting of the fuse element up to its rated breaking capacity.

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Posts: 8353 Joined: 03 October So for both the gG and the gM fuse both are designed to operate in the same time in the event 2005 of a fault the difference being that the gM fuse element will withstand a high motor starting current. The loop impedance for the 63A gG and the 63M100 gM fuse are the same because both these fuses have the same zones of fusing and non-fusing characteristics Rated current - 63A Conventional non-fusing current - 1.25In Conventional fusing current - 1.6In Conventional time - 1 hour This is outlined in IEC 60269 The advantage with using a gM over a gG is that you can use lower rated cable and switchgear which can be quite a saving, but there must be overload arrangements and this is usually in the starter, to replace the 63M100 fuse with an equivalent gG fuse then you would have go to gG 100A which would mean uprating cable and switchgear. Generally the advice is to seek manufacturers data but you will usually find that the Zs for gG is the same for gM because as I stated the fuse characteristics are the same, its when you get to aM fuses that it can differ but thats another story. For your fuse 63M100 gM the loop impedance (Zs) is 0.82 ohms, you often in some electrical installation books will see a circuit calculation for a three motor using a motor rated fuse.

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regards ------------------------"Take nothing but a picture, leave nothing but footprints!" ------------------------"Oh! The drama of it all." ------------------------"You can throw all the philosophy you like at the problem, but at the end of the day it's just basic electrical theory!" ------------------------Edited: 01 February 2010 at 11:22 PM by rocknroll Top : Bottom 02 February 2010 01:45 PM Originally posted by: rocknroll PG Here is a clue that might help the budding teachers as well.

Posts: 185 Joined: 17 October A dual rated gM fuse such as a 63M100 has a continuous rating of 63A and the operating characteristics of a 100A fuse, so what would the loop impedance be!? 2011 regards

I agree with R&R. The tripping characteristic is the same as a 100A fuse. For fault clearing times the 100A curve must be used. The fuses are only for use where some form of overload protection is also in circuit (such as a motor starter). In this case the overload protection should be set at 63A or less. gM fuses are just a way of saving space in a starter that has thermal overloads - never used on their own for straight distribution circuits. Regards Top : Bottom IET Wiring and the regulations motor rated fuse 63M100 Topic Tools

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