1991_10_16&17_MADHURYA KADAMBINI THIRD MEETING 3 AND QUES FROM GOV PUJA TAPE rla Gurudeva: Then we shoulduh(Hindi aside)I

wanted to see these things before your coming. GBC: But you didn't get a chance rla Gurudeva: but no time; very scarcity of time. GBC: It doesn't matter. It is already inside of you. rla Gurudeva: (chuckles). Any question? No? GBC: No, I just want to hear you explain more. rla Gurudeva: You have any question? You are satisfied? GBC: UmI want more explanation. rla Gurudeva: What about you? Any question? Everything is so easy for you. And he is an intellectual gent. (chuckles with audience) Then we should go. What thing? GBC: Where was the place we left off? You had explained yadcchay. You had already explained. (discussing where rla Gurudeva left off with other members of GBC) I think in speaking Mahrja explained almost the entire first chapter. GBC: No, really? rla Gurudeva: Something. GBC: Maybe something more. GBC: No, he hasn't explained this.
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GBC: Where? GBC: Page four. GBC: Mahrja, I have a question: "Nor is bhakti dependent even upon faith: sacred api parigitam raddhay helaya va.." And then it explains that, "The name of Krsna chanted even once, either with faith or without faith, can deliver any man." But, still, to say that faith is not necessary seems very surprising. Even though one verse is given that the Hare Ka mantra is so great even without faith he gets benefit. But don't you need faith for bhakti? Isn't great faith needed? But here it says it's not needed, or not dependent on faith. Audience: sakrda api parigitam raddhay helaya va. GBC: Don't we need faith in Guru and faith in stra? rla Gurudeva: (Hindi aside) We have not yet discussed these things. GBC: No. rla Gurudeva: It will come. Here, dna vrata homa rddhaya it has been finished. After that he is giving some lokas, reference. Sreyah svitim bhaktim udasya te vibho and ko 'vartha apto 'bhajatam sva-dharmatah purvaiva bhuman bahavo 'pi yoginah (reading directly from original Bengali version [jna karma yogina]). Here he is telling that ko 'vartha apto 'bhajatam sva-dharmatah. By sadachara, or by ubha karma, we may have bhakti if anyone tells prva-paka. Prva-paka you know? GBC: Questions, answers. rla Gurudeva: Questions and answers. Any one questions that. Next, (ubha) karma and sadachara give bhakti. Without sadachara and ubha karma we may not have bhakti. Here Vivantha Cakravart hkura is quoting this loka from rmad Bhgavatam that sadachara and by ubha karma or (sata) karma bhakti can not come. Ko 'vartha apto 'bhajatam sva-dharmatah. He is telling that if a man has prarambha karnastarted to do Hari bhakti but he has not left his bad works asadachara. He is yet doing some asadachara and not ubha karma, aubha karma he may do it. But he is trying to do ananya bhajana also.

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Here he is telling that, if a man living sva-dharma; sva-dharma meaning service of father and mother. GBC: Occupational duty. Prescribed duty. rla Gurudeva: Varrama dharma. If a man living all these things he has started to do bhajana of Ka and in the mid-way he falls down, no harm. Again he will, after that is gone, any how he will get any (indistinct) and he will start from there. That ptam, falling down, will not disturb him. For some time it will cover; but after some time, after enjoying, the karma phala, he will again start bhakti. But if a man, leaving hari bhajana, doing (sata) karma, sadachara, and varrama dharma, very faithfully he is following, what is gained? He gains nothing because he will have some bhoga, enjoyment, after that again he will fall forever. So, there is nothing to gain in this. So, if a man falls, if he's sakma yet, no harm. God will fulfill hisquench. GBC: Quench his thirst. rla Gurudeva: And again he will do bhakti after that. He falls down, he will fall down, but yet Ka will take his hand and he will again engage in his service. So, we should only fear from apardha anartha; these are a kind of anartha. But here this can not give adhikr to bhakti, these things. So, we should respect a man who is yet fallen but doing bhakti; not to a man who is so pure to his varrama dharma. GBC: We see examples of this in ISKCON sometimes. Some devotees, even they are fallen but they are still doing bhakti. rla Gurudeva: Then they should be respected. But very carefully. Not interjectionuh GBC: Not intimate association rla Gurudeva: Association. We should not do nind or anything like that. But we should not praise also. If he comes, oh come, come on. But not from heart. Not association. Sadachara sambandha, aikntika bhakta, they should be associated with. And especially those who are more qualified than us. He is telling that also (break audio)anything? GBC: No. No.

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rla Gurudeva: For having Ka prema or doing bhakti someone thinks that we should take help of jna yoga karma or any thing. But these things are not good. Only bhakti can be done. No help from all these things. Some times we see that we should do some yoga for our body. GBC: For health. rla Gurudeva: For health. GBC: For good health. rla Gurudeva: We should do some yoga. Audience: Exercise. rla Gurudeva: These are yogas. But I think for Vraja bhakti these are prtikla. Wrestling and all these things. It uhwhat? It covers gopa gop bhva, especially gop bhva and purua bhva comes. Purua means? GBC: Man. Male false ego. rla Gurudeva: So, we should not adopt. GBC: We should discuss this point further because so many of use are doing these exercises. GBC: Otherwise we can not digest food, we are sleeping all the time, we are tired. GBC: Yesterday he saw Ayurvedic doctor who said get more exercise. Now is there an vaiava exercise that is not prtikla? GBC: We should wrestle with Tamla Ka Mahrja. GBC: Dancing in krtana rla Gurudeva: Ah! Dancing in krtana and doing parirama for all these sev it will do. GBC: Parirama? Audience: Labor. Hard labor. rla Gurudeva: Labor.

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GBC: Most of our labor is taking pen and moving GBC: All day long we are simply sitting and talking, writing, and thinking. We have no opportunity for any exercise. GBC: Except for Hanumn. rla Gurudeva: In krtana? You should do krtana surely. Both purposes will be solved. GBC: Supposing when we are doing these exercises we are playing some tape recording of Ka-kath. Then our conscienceness is hearing the recording but the body is doing the exercise but the mind is thinking of the tape recording. Is it still prtikla? rla Gurudeva: I am telling of yogas. Especially yogas. GBC: Aga-yoga, pryma. rla Gurudeva: Aga, pryma, all these things. Caitanya Mahprabhu has done bhakti cult so easy that we can do everything. In dancing and doing this sev, this sev. To go Govardhana to come to do parikram. These are all the things. We should try to save our inner bhva anywhere anyhow. And if there is no bhva then (go out indistinct) what you are doing? Doing bhakti also and all these things also. But a special bhva has come in our heart and those things which are opposite we should try to leave all these things. We will think it. You will think it. If any man is in gop bhva, he is doing, he should not do anything that his purua bhva will come. By (daunknown) purua bhva can come. GBC: By daa? GBC: Something with a stick. Exercise. rla Gurudeva: Daameans exercise. What gops have done, dance with Ka and all activities, we can follow. And if you think to be sakh you can wrestle you can do all these things. Good for you.

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We should follow every thing of that person to whom we have greed. That is anukla. And those who have not gone up to this stage they can do everything. For body also for mind also for everything. GBC: But what if we haven't come to that stage but we want to come to that stage? Then stop? rla Gurudeva: We have to consider from very beginning. GBC: Where we are at. You have to consider your actual stage and not imitate. rla Gurudeva: We should go to real position. Not imitation. But to follow from beginning it is good. From beginning. GBC: So much of our work, not only exercise, develops purua bhva. We are managing. We have to say, "You must do this, immediately!" Most of our life is like that. rla Gurudeva: You are doing for guru sev. If it is actually guru sev all will help you. And you should wait for that time. Then actually this will come. He is also telling that: yat marabhir yat tapasa jana vairagyatas ca yat. What begets from yaja, yga, vrata, tapasy, jna, vairgya, yoga, tapasy. Only by bhakti doing we will have all these things. If a man has started bhakti then he is requiring stra jna, reading so many books and some qualities, he is doing effort for gaining some qualities, it should not be done. Understanding? GBC: But study of stra is good. rla Gurudeva: Is good. GBC: If it increases that bhva. rla Gurudeva: Increases that bhva. But to increase bhakti this idea is not there and we, for our name and fame, and that I am so much learned person, we are doing all these things, then it is bhakti virodh. We should do:
ravaa krtana vio

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smaraa pda-sevanam arcana vandana dsya sakhyam tma-nivedanam

All these things. To read book is also ravaa, it comes. When we chant harinma man goes everywhere, hither and thither, it may go; but when we are emerged in reading books who has come, not come. Nothing. So, it is a good kind of bhakti. GBC: It is easier to pay attention by reading than by chanting. rla Gurudeva: And if it is of rmad Bhgavatam and of tenth canto, especially sakh, sakh sambandhi, then is is so good. By remembering man can go hither and thither by chanting also he could do; but not in reading. Whole energy should be given there so mind does not go here and there. In bhakti, he is telling that for yoga, yaja, tapasy, vrata, homa, svdhyya, sanyam, they will dee, kla, and ptra; dee, kla, and ptra? GBC: Time, place, and circumstance. rla Gurudeva: Time, place, and circumstances. They should be very pavitra. GBC: Pure. rla Gurudeva: Pure. If these three are not pure they will not give any fruit. But for bhakti no need. When we are reading bhakti, whether it is magha or any bad nakshatra, should not (indistinct). When we are giving name and dk, or taking, no this times should be considered. When harinma is given or harinma taken, that time is good. Whether it may be magha, agha, or anything. GBC: It might even be in the evening. rla Gurudeva: Evening, morning, any GBC: For dk also? rla Gurudeva: Uh? GBC: For dk also?

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rla Gurudeva: For dk also. But those who have not this quality to think these things they should be given in proper time. To increase their rddha only; but harinma and dk mantra does not need all these things. GBC: I remember our guru Mahrja was giving sannysa to someone and this person was very keen to get sannysa. So, he told me, "Make a big arrangement so he thinks that something has happenend." rla Gurudeva: Otherwise nothing is needed. Only that mantra is needed and at any time it can given. Gopla mantra has no time and space and all these things. It is siddha mantra. But yet, seeing the condition of sdhaka, guru gives it. Thinking all these things, that he may not feel anything. I have heard that Prabhupda has given any one, in evening, dk mantra. No fire yaja and nothing. And that is dk. Only Gopla mantra he gave. But now, "Oh gurudeva, you have not given your guru mantra." Caitanya Mahprabhu, um, I s vara Pur pa da not any mantra, only Gopla mantra; and that Gopla mantra only gopjana-vallabhaya svaha. Not all these things, full mantras. Because it is siddha mantra. No fire, nothing, yaja, nothing was done. But we need all these things. These are like a karma but yet vaiava has recommended them: vaiava yaja, vaiava homa, vaiava rddha, and they do it only for GBC: For the rddha of their ancestors. rla Gurudeva: They don't require any bhakti. When they mother of Nrada i was dead and he left that dead body there. Went away. GBC: No rddha ceremony. rla Gurudeva: No, nothing, nothing. (Hindi aside) He is telling: (reading from original Sanskrit). Lubdhaka means uh?

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Audience: Hunter. rla Gurudeva: Hunter. Oh, hunter. GBC: Hunter deer. rla Gurudeva: Deers hunter. GBC: Hunter! Oh! Mgayu. Like this. rla Gurudeva: Mgayu. Oh, mgayu, nma sakrtana rpa bhakti aga anuhne. When a person is doing harinma sakrtana dee niyamne. The niyam for place. GBC: Limitation of place. GBC: Rules. Rule of rla Gurudeva: Pavitram. Rules and regulations. GBC: Yea, rules and regulations. rla Gurudeva: For place or time no niyam at all. And, in harinma, ucchiyou are eating something and you can not do sakrtana. It is not forbidden there. You can do.
khite uite yath tath nma laya kla-dea-niyama nhi, sarva siddhi haya [Regardless of time or place, one who chants the holy name, even while eating or sleeping, attains all perfection. CC Antya (20.18)]

GBC: What about when we are doing the yaja? rla Gurudeva: Yaja. GBC: Yeah, when you do the yaja. rla Gurudeva: There it will be; because it is karma like karma. So, there GBC: And when you are doing sev of the mrti sev you can not eat. rla Gurudeva: No, here he is telling about nma sakrtana. In sev we should

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GBC: Be (indistinct-purified) rla Gurudeva: all these things. But I think any sev, if bhva bhakti is there, he can do anything. He is taking something, himself, and he can give to Ka, like Yaod. Santana Gosvm came to Mathur and saw that a widow was serving her two boys. One was Madana-Gopla Himself and other was her son. They were playing together and so many places they were playing. One day Santana Gosvm came and saw that they were playing guli daa; daa you know. Audience: A stick and(game). rla Gurudeva: Ka was defeated by that boy. At first Ka won and that boy was defeated. Ka told that, "You should sit, I will sit on your shoulders." He did so. He went some distance and when Ka was defeated then boy told that, "You should sit and I will sit on your shoulders." Ka at once fled away and He entered in temple and the boy followed with that stick. That you are not giving my Audience: Reward. rla Gurudeva: reward and you are flying. I will catch hold of You, I will beat You. So, he followed up to mandir but there priest was there and he prohibited that boy, "Oh, don't come here." Then he told from there that, "I will see tomorrow." Santana Gosvm was amazing, "How this is." Next day he came again to see them playing. He saw that the two boys were weeping and they were wanting something to take, eat, and mother was cooking khich. She was washing her mouth by a stick. GBC: And she was cooking at the same time. rla Gurudeva: And cooking and by same thing. By this here (hand gesture?) and she was cooking. Santana Gosvm told that, "You are brhmaa lady have you taken snna?"

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"No, I have not done." "So, without taking bath and by thisyour all thing are coming in this and you are doing and this will give to two boys. Oh, it should not be done." "At first I did not do. Now I'll obey you." Second day he again came and saw that both boys were weeping and lady has begun to take bath and after that came, washed all the pots, and she brought good clear water, pavitra water, and then began to cook kitri from spoon. And it was too late and the boys were weeping. Santana Gosvm thought that, " Svayam Brahman Ka, wanting to take her, ucchi, so I have done mistake. He is weeping to take her ucchi." Ucchi means? Audience: Remnants. rla Gurudeva: Remnants. So, she should do what she wants. Then he begged pardon and told that, "You should not take bath; you should not be pure; what you want, you should do and serve these boys." So, in bhakti ucchi and all these things but that person should be, that sdhaka should be, in upper level. GBC: Where is that from, that narration about Santana Gosvm, which, is it from some scripture? rla Gurudeva: Bhakti-ratnkara. There are so many places. Caitanya Mahprabhu also told:
khite uite yath tath nma laya kla-dea-niyama nhi, sarva siddhi haya [Regardless of time or place, one who chants the holy name, even while eating or sleeping, attains all perfection. CC Antya (20.18)]

If you are taking something and your Gurudeva has called you, "Oh, come at once." What will you do? GBC: Drop everything and go.

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rla Gurudeva: Even I will not wash my hands. At first see that what is his orders and then I will wash hand and if something order is to carry at once in this same uh Audience: Condition. rla Gurudeva: condition I will do first. GBC: We were on a train with our Guru Mahrja. So, we were all eating so, he said, "Give me some more of this." So, their hands, they were eating, he said, "Just give it to me. Don't worry about it." So, he said, "Just give it, don't wash your hands. Serve me now." Like that. rla Gurudeva: So, in connection of Ka also as Guru vaiava. GBC: You told that your Guru Mahrja did not take bath for so many days. rla Gurudeva: Uh. GBC: Ka was accepting everything he did. rla Gurudeva: He used to tell that, "I don't want to loss my time in bathing and all these things." At least one hour it will take, this time will take. Why should I loss? For these clothes when it will be maila Audience: Dirty. rla Gurudeva: dirty after two, three, four days, five days. No harm. GBC: And bathe only once in a long time. Audience: One month. On day of prim. GBC: One month. Once in a month. rla Gurudeva: On prim. He used to tell that his Prabhupda also used to do. He used to take one ghoti of water. Ghoti? Audience: Lota. One pot. rla Gurudeva: Ghoti you know?

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GBC: Pot. rla Gurudeva: Pot. Little pot. Audience: Lota. rla Gurudeva: And after shaving all these things he used to fall the water from here but all water Audience: Outside. rla Gurudeva: outside. So, very little water used to come there. And GBC: Why he did that? rla Gurudeva: (with mirth) Maha-purua? You can not ask from Datttreya and all others why. They are not in this body, physical body. Always thinking and thinking. (break audio) rla Gurudeva: In any mantra ucharana In uttering any karm mantra, our jna, karma, yogi, ityd.. The fruit will be upset; indra-atro indra-atro. Upset. Understanding? GBC: Yes. rla Gurudeva: That brhmaa, i, wanted to take revenge from Indra. So, he was doing something Tantric upacra. Tantric upacra you know? Tantric upacra, so that Indra should be killed. So, he was japa-ing GBC: Chanting. rla Gurudeva: Not chanting. Audience: Uttering. rla Gurudeva: uttering in mind some mantra indra-atro vivardhasva [from SB (6.9.11)].
hata-putras tatas tva

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juhvendrya atrave indra-atro vivardhasva m cira jahi vidviam [After Vivarpa was killed, his father, Tva, performed ritualistic ceremonies to kill Indra. He offered oblations in the sacrificial fire, saying, O enemy of Indra, flourish to kill your enemy without delay. SB (6.9.11)]

The atro of Indra should come and kill him. But, by chance, it was uttered wrongly. Indra-atru vivardhasva: he stressed on atro. Indra will be atro of my son. The meaning came. And at last that was done. He got a son and that was killed by Indra. That son could not kill Indra. So, in karma yaja, leaving bhakti, anything will upset; but in bhakti: kl kya govindo nama. Nothing will be harmed. Bhva will be there, and Ka will take it, but by knowing all these things I will do like this, then everything will be Audience: Finished. rla Gurudeva: If a man is telling kya krs ve. Only he is telling Ka, no harm. His bh n va should be there. GBC: Sometimes we hear a devotee, I have seen sometimes, especially in China, I sit and I listen to some devotee and they may not be chanting the mahmantra always perfectly. rla Gurudeva: No harm. God knows. Ka knows everything. GBC: You say the Chinese can't even say it. GBC: Yeah, they have difficulty saying it. rla Gurudeva: I have seen a lady: We were trying her to chant Hare Ka, Hare Ka, Ka Ka, Hare Hare/ Hare Rma, Hare Rma, Rma Rma, Hare Hare. And she was so much eager, waiting for so many years; but we tried hard but she could not utter all at a time. Hare Ka, Hare. I told that, "Everything you will have. You should do." GBC: Was she an uneducated lady? rla Gurudeva: (indistinct) GBC: But very eager.

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rla Gurudeva: Very eager. And always doing with mala; always. And such veryvery with rddha. Serving everything. GBC: One of ourWhen Guru-Mahrja gave us the gyatr, first time, one of our godbrothers, very sincere devotee named Jaynanda, so, he could not get the correct pronunciation. So, he went with me and we went to Guru-Mahrja. So, he said, "I can not get this correctly." So, Guru-Mahrja said, "You say it, let me hear." So, he tried to say it but it was so wrong that Guru-Mahrja started to laugh. He said, "It is hopeless." He said, "You don't worry." He said, "Ka will except. Ka is excepting your feelings. Never mind." rla Gurudeva: (joyous laughter from rla Gurudeva) GBC: But he was laughing. rla Gurudeva: When bhvana is there then Ka takes everything. GBC: In Bhakti-rasmta-sindhu one of the agas is mentioned is nma japa. So, I think the commentaries mention kl kya nama as the mantra. So, we don't chant that mantra. We chant mahmantra. rla Gurudeva: What Caitanya Mahprabhu and His followers have done, we should do. What our guru has given, only his instructions, should be followed. (Hindi aside)
sakrda api parigitam sraddaya helaya va (Mdhurya Kdambin)

He was asking. If there is no apardha there then without rddha or anything Ka name will catch rddha.
brguvara nara matram tarayet krsna-nama (Mdhurya Kdambin)

In jna, or karma, by chance a man does any durcra, any kind of durcra, you understand durcra? Audience: Bad habits.

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rla Gurudeva: Um. Bad habits. They are called nirlajja and vaman bhog. Vaman bhog means Audience: Vnta-. GBC: Vnta-. Oh. rla Gurudeva: Vnta-. What? GBC: Vomit rla Gurudeva: and again taking. (reading from original Sanskrit Mdhurya Kdambin) Kasa, Hiranyaka ipu, Rvaadi They were so much jn, learned persons. Rvaa so much learned person and he was certainly a guru of jns. He has wrote some Lanka stra. GBC: Who is this? rla Gurudeva: Rvaa. GBC: Ah! Rvaa. ipu also. He was a learned person of Vedas. They rla Gurudeva: Kasa also, uh, Hiranyaka can utter and do Vedic rti. Everything there. But they were durcr so, in stra, stra has rebuked them. But for bhakta it has not been told. Like Ajmila, no nind of Ajmila; Bilvamagala and likewise. bhakti par bhagavati pratilabhya kma / hd-rogam v apahinoty acirea dhra He has taken a loka from rmad Bhgavatam:
vikrita vraja-vadhbhir ida ca vio raddhnvito nuuyd atha varayed ya bhakti par bhagavati pratilabhya kma hd-rogam v apahinoty acirea dhra [Anyone who faithfully hears or describes the Lords playful affairs with the young gops of Vndvana will attain the Lords pure devotional service. Thus he will quickly become sober and conquer lust, the disease of the heart. SB (10.33.39)]

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Someone tells that we should give up our bad habits and then we should do bhakti. GBC: After. rla Gurudeva: Uh. Afterwards. If there is a pot full of clay we should take out all these clays and wash that pot and then we should put water. That water will be qualified for drinking. If clay is fully there, not a drop of water will come in that pot. So, we should give up all these things. Here Vivantha Cakravart hkura is telling that, having this body, physical body, physical mind, anyone can not be pure, quite pure. So, if we try to be pure and then after being pure we will do bhakti, it is absurd. So, in what stage you are, you should adopt bhakti and by bhakti everything will gradually go out and in the ratio bhakti comes all these goes away.
vikrita vraja-vadhbhir ida ca vio

First we should hear bhakti in what stage we are.

hd-rogam v apahinoty acirea dhra

If we have hd-roga, hd-roga means kma vsan, hankering from viaya to taste viaya. Everything is there. So, if you have, but at the same time you have taste in hearing, chanting and all these things, you should do. You should not try to concentrate your mind. You should try to be so pure. You should do bhakti and by doing bhakti you will have, create, no time for all these things. And hd-roga will come; hd-roga is bad to any other other roga. Audience: Worst than any other disease. rla Gurudeva: This is very worst roga, kma roga, that Bilvamagala had Prahlda Mahrja had. Audience: Prahlda Mahrja? rla Gurudeva: At first part. When he was in brhmaa clothes. Nrada also has this in Gandharva Janaka birth. So, when bhakti is done hd-rogam v apahinoty acirea dhra. When para-bhakti is done to Bhagavn, by the effect of that para-bhakti, hd-roga yet goes away. Slowly. So, we should not try to concentrate our mind and all these things to do, but always be engaged in bhakti so that a single moment will not be found to do all these things.

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So, he is telling that those who, the persons, those who are some rddha, and by rddha they are hearing rmad Bhgavatam, rsa-panchadhaya or any pastime with gops, they are hearing with rddha, those persons will have para-bhakti and by having para-bhakti every hd-roga and everything will go away. Certainly. So, do not try to leave all these bad habits at first. They should wash these, all these things, by bhakti only. GBC: Still we see that we try to remove some bad habits. If we see in a devotee, in a disciple or something, some habits which are not good we may point it out. rla Gurudeva: But we will be have some bal bhakti and by bhakti these thoughts are coming. What I want to say? GBC: I'm not sure. GBC: That it's by your devotion that you destroy their rla Gurudeva: No. I am thinking to destroy all these things; but why? GBC: By bhakti's strength. rla Gurudeva: Bhakti is coming slowly and slowly they we are thinking like this. If we are not in a mood to hear, chant, and to go in the association of bhaktiman purua this thought will not come. So, it is the effect of bhakti that we are thinking like so and then we are doing so, it is proper. So, he is telling that if kma is there, kma means Audience: Lust. rla Gurudeva: Lust is there, or any asadachar is there, he is not, this fact is not that, "He should not do bhakti." GBC: But he can not be given initiation, our spiritual master said, unless you give up illicit sex, intoxication, meat-eating, and gambling for six months, then you can get initiation and dk. rla Gurudeva: (unknown Hindi aside)

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We say like this, Guru says like this, but he knows that everything is there but he can not leave. GBC: Can not give up the bad habits. rla Gurudeva: Mm-uh. By bhakti he can give up. You are married but you are doing the same thing that you are doing but you have got license only. So, he knows that he is doing everything but under his license he is doing. If that thought does not come in my heart then it is pure anything, to marry or anything. We are not smoking, no? We are not drinking and gambling. We have no lust or anything but we have no charm in harinma chanting or hearing hari-kath. What will be the use of all these things? So, guru tells it as a warning but he knows that is everything is there. GBC: Everything is there means? GBC: You are doing the bad things. rla Gurudeva: Bad things are there, in any form or other form, but they are. We want praise also at that time. I think that if a man takes bidi cigarette and if a man does a nind of any vaiava, who is more culprit? GBC: The vaiava nind. rla Gurudeva: But we don't think it. We say, "Oh, you gamble?" "Uh. Yes." "Then you will not have harinma." GBC: But are you saying that we should give harinma even if rla Gurudeva: No, I am not saying this. You should GBC: Get the point. rla Gurudeva: my heart's view. We know that something is wrong but yet we give harinma or crya gives harinma. "You gamble?"

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"No, umYes." "You have lust?" "Yes." "You should not do this. You have any asadra?" "Yes, I have." "You should leave all these things." Four things, Parkit Mahrja, um, ukadeva Gosvm has dytam striyah sn (rmad pnam Bhgavatam 1.17.38) These four things. But these are not so offensive to do nind avgya of vaiavas or to um"Oh, harinma will not do all these things." These are more sinful. But yet we don't care for all these things. We, um, a kaniha-adhikr goes on that points, outer points, but vaiava, uddha-vaiava, uttam-adhikr goes on this. If a man in habit of taking cigarette, what is harm in bhakti cult of he takes? Any harm? What harm? But he tells lie, he is doing offense of bhakti nma apardha and all these things, anartha is there. But anartha is not there, only he is smoking? What is harm? Audience: Smoking is anartha. GBC: There are some harms. rla Gurudeva: What? GBC: UhI think rla Gurudeva: If Vasdsa Bbj is taking gudgudi, what harm? Audience: He is liberated soul. rla Gurudeva: If you are taking (unknown) this period, Cturmsya, what harm? If I will see that, we shave on prim, if a man comes being shaved on other days, "Oh, why you have shaved? You should not do like this." Is it harm for bhakti? Shaving or not shaving. If a man not shaves, what is harm? But yet we are following our guru parampar. We should do what they
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have adopted. This is sato-vtti only. But not so dangerous as apardha and anartha. So, if a man is in habit but he is doing ananya bhakti:
api cet su-durcro bhajate mm ananya-bhk sdhur eva sa mantavya samyag vyavasito hi sa [Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated in his determination. Bg (9.30)]

But it is not the meaning that I am going tell that, "You should take all these things and do bhakti." Here, by this loka, Vivantha Cakravart hkura is telling (unknown - asamapika) kriy; (unknown - asamapika) means umpratilabhya kma / hd-rogam v. He is doing bhakti and yet he has hd-roga, but hd-roga will go out. GBC: So, here the point is to in any circumstance, at every case, everyone should do bhakti no matter what their condition is. rla Gurudeva: We should try to do bhakti constantly; not thinking that we should leave all these things, always leaving, leaving, leaving more. It will come more. And if we will stress on doing bhakti then we have/get no time for doing all these things. That is thehis point. (Hindi aside) GBC: We are almost finished. rla Gurudeva: This adhaya is finished. If any good point I will think and tell you. He is telling that if a very durcra vyakti is there and he has accepted bhakti then bhakti will come in that person and take this person in superlative degree and all are bound to obey him, respect him. In Hindi: Bhakti is such a thing that even if in a extremly bad place, if done, it lifts that person up to such a high condition that such a person can stand face to face with the Lord

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The prostitute lady went to Haridsa hkur and Haridsa hkur, by chanting, he gave that lady Ka bhakti, pure Ka bhakti, and she became mahnti. So much great lady that all mahnts, mahnts means Audience: Great vaiavas. rla Gurudeva: great vaiavas used to go and Audience: take her darana. rla Gurudeva: darana and to salute and to do prama and everything. Bhakti is so much powerful that anyone, if he enters in his heart, he becomes pure and he is very srestha in this world. GBC: Very? Audience: Great person. rla Gurudeva: Uttam bhakta and devat, Brahm, akara, all respect. Vas today's Now it will be easier. GBC: More quickly. Audience: Second chapter one day, third chapter one day. GBC: No, I doubt it. GBC: The students are slow. rla Gurudeva: No, I am slow. My English knowing is giving disturbance. GBC: No rla Gurudeva: Otherwise everything GBC: Not to us. Not to our ears. rla Gurudeva: It takes time.

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GBC: Quite sweet. rla Gurudeva: I am not satisfied but you are satisfied. Hindi and Bengali I will be satisfied I have seen that translation but so wrong. Audience: English or the Audience: English. Idea is different. Just opposite. GBC: Which one? Audience: In that Jaiva-Dharma. Just opposite. rla Gurudeva: Question is different, answer is different. GBC: What's that your manuscript? GBC: I don't know. I don't have any manuscript. rla Gurudeva: I will show you. Then you will come tomorrow? At seven. GBC: Today you have a program. rla Gurudeva: What? GBC: I think you are going out today. You mentioned that you are going somewhere. (break audio) GBC: We are most poor. They are rich. rla Gurudeva: You will go to, certainly, when ISKCON person will call you and you will go to so many rich person, but we are not rich. And began to weep bitterly. I told her that I have got (indistinct) today very (indistinct). GBC: Did that person come to see you who was on the roadside. In the bus when we were going (indistinct) on person who was there.

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GBC: Sdhu Mahrja. rla Gurudeva: Uh? Sdhu Mahrja? GBC: The one who taastha akti book. rla Gurudeva: Oh, yes, yes. GBC: He came and saw you in Rpa-Santana? rla Gurudeva: We went day before yesterday but at that time I was ready to come here. So, only one minute or two minutes. He did prama to me. No GBC: Nothing special. rla Gurudeva: Nothing special. And I wasthere were so many persons there questioning, I was answering. He sat down for two or three minutes. He did not go to ISKCON? GBC: No. rla Gurudeva: He has taken sannysa by rdhar Mahrja? GBC: No. He took sannysa from a disciple from one of the devoteesa disciple of our guru Mahrja who had joined rdhar Mahrja gave him sannysa on behalf of rdhar Mahrja. rla Gurudeva: But I told him, "Your fact may be true that jva has not come from Goloka but the persons and the ideas of Svmji was not like this." He has told as a general but putting of (his presentation) is not so. I told him. Audience: (indistinct) rla Gurudeva: I told that I have given a lecture there and somehow I have clearly that both the ideas of our guru parampar and Svmji are one, not opposite. They have told something he is silent in some cases and he has told that: jvera svarpa haya kera nitya-dsa. So, I think that these are not controversy. GBC: You have reconciled. rla Gurudeva: I told that you should have reconciled, it was very good. He could not answer.

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GBC: You said all these things two days ago. rla Gurudeva: In a moment I told. I was ready to come. By standing Audience: (indistinct) (break audio) (krtana in background) rla Gurudeva: Everything? GBC: Everything. Every word we want. rla Gurudeva: Niha means buddhi prvik. By wisdom wethere is some Come here to sit GBC: No, this is rla Gurudeva: Buddhi prvik: when we decide this thing is good, but no taste. We have heard it anywhere that to do Ka bhakti is good thing. But I have no taste. So, deciding by mental Audience: Intelligence. rla Gurudeva: intelligence we decide that we should bhakti; but when we go to do bhakti there is alasa, alasa meaning Audience: Laziness. rla Gurudeva: laziness, sometimes sleeping, sometimes we don't care, but know that this is good. So, when we do it by deciding by mental thing, then it is niha and we do it regularly; but when, if we do not do, there will be something lacking and there will be taste. No alasa, no sleeping, no wastage of time. Then it will be ruci. Similarly there are some differences between ruci and sakti. Ruci in sdhana and sakti may be on sdhy, Ka. Something remembering the pastimes of Ka rpa, gua, ll. So, there are some differences.

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GBC: One has the taste in ruci and one is fully absorbed, his consciousness is fully absorbed in sakti. rla Gurudeva: In bhva avastha we can absorb. Not in sakti (unknown). We'll gradually go up. Vivantha Cakravart hkura is this mad Madhurya Kadambini has given (Hindi aside) When we go anywhere all are GBC: Hankering. rla Gurudeva: anxious to go. GBC: In r Bhakti-rasmta-sindhu it describes how sdhana of bhakti is kleaghn and ubhad. So, those two qualities only seem to completely manifest themselves at niha for the sdhaka. rla Gurudeva: Here sdhana bhakti meaning sdhana of uttam bhakti. But when we do sdhana it is not complete, completely done. So, it is sdhana, by externalmna, buddhi, ahakra, cit, all. (END AUDIO)

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