August 29, 2008

Today’s date is August 29th, 2008, time now is 1422 hours. My name is Detective Terry Jones, my Code Number is 6354. I’m with the Louisville Metro Police Department. Also, present is Danny Herald, he was, he is with the security at the uh, Jefferson County uh, School Board. And, we are at uh, in a private office, we’re at Valley High School which is located at 10200 Dixie Highway. Uh, this interview uh, pertains to a death investigation into uhm, Max Gilpin. File number is 08-197, and this interview is of Mr. Robert Sample.

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At this time Mr. Sample can you identify yourself? Yes, I’m Robert Sample uh, in school security guard at Valley High School. Uh, my birth date is. I live at 6406 Mannerview Circle, Louisville, Kentucky uh, 40272. Uh, (inaudible)…, work here at Valley High School, and I am a uh, High School referee on the side as a hobby. Okay. And, you right now you are employed with the uh, Jefferson County School Board, correct? Correct. And, your, your this is your uh, school that you’re assigned to?

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Yes, sir. Valley High School? Okay, and you’re aware this interview is being taped? Yes, sir. Okay. And, we’ve already discussed uh, uh, facts relating to what you have observed before we went on tape. So, at this time would you kinda elaborate what you were doing on August 20th, uh, 2008. Uh, while conducting uh, referee activities at the uh, at your soccer game? Okay, okay. Uhm, I had the uh, PRP and Waggener Soccer game uhm, on that Wednesday. Uhm, the game started right at uh, 5:30. Uh, the clock at PRP did not work, I had to keep the time on the field, on my watch. Uh, it, like I said it did start at 5:30, and I noticed uh, probably uh, hitting right out the way with the football team. Had uh, right at 5:30, watched ‘em practice a little bit. And, then when the game started uhm, I went out and did my role as a referee. Sit and referee the ball game uh, roughly 6 or excuse me. Roughly 5:40 to 5:45 I noticed uh, a large group of uh, football players uh. I couldn’t tell you if they was offensive, defensive or it’s a whole group or whatever. But, it was uh, a good number of men walking over to the uh, watering uh, uh, apparatus. Over that uh, the end of uh, the part end of the uh, the soccer field there uh, gettin' water. Uhm, not paying attention you know, when they all came back. Uh, sometime later they uhm, started uh, the same routine of hitting again. And, then roughly I’d say, between quarter till and 10 till 6, somewhere

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around there? Uh, I noticed uhm, our, I didn’t know, I heard a coach over on the far right hand side of the football field from where I was standing? Yelled something to the effect of the way the kids were playing (excuse me)…, that they were going to start uh, running. Uhm, after, sometime after that you know, a few minutes maybe? Uh, I noticed the players stripping down uh, from their shoulder pads and helmets. A few elected to keep on their shoulder pads. And, they started running uh, some type of a sprint, from sideline to side line. Uhm, in groups of like 4 or something like that. A long line of the guys you know, running across the field? I noticed the uh, coaches you know, yelling words of like uh, encouragement. Or, like so and so you need to pick it up. Or, come on so and so you’re looking good. Uh, that type of thing uhm, and I’d say, I’d say like about, about 10 minutes till si…, or 10 minutes till 6. Uh, that they were you know, running uh, sometime probably I’d say sigh…, 6:00 or so. Uh, I noticed uh, an individual uhm, I cannot remember if the gentleman was white or black. Uh, I noticed uh, he had a uh trouble like catching his breath. Or, whatever uh, wheezing real bad uh, coughing and, and carrying on? ‘Cause, it’s on, it’s close to the sideline to where I was at. At that time we had a, a girl injured I think uh, about that time, that he was walking off the field. And, I being an EMT, I was just gonna see, you know, kinda looking to see if he was okay. And, he proceeded to walk on uh, toward uhm; I guess the watering uh, apparatus or somewhere. Some players kinda helped him uh, I think like 3 or 4 players was walking with him. And, took him over to a shaded area uhm over there on far end of the football field.

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Where they were practicing at. At some time uh, the my half time was like at 10 minutes after 6. Or, between 10 and 12 minutes after 6? Uhm, I noticed uh, the, the, the practice was over. Uh, players were leaving the uh, practice field. Uhm, and at that time I noticed uh, a green uh, gator uh, with like 3 or 4 coaches. And, uh, a player in the back of it. Uh, I noticed it going over to, ‘cause at halftime that was like our time to get water. Or, whatever I noticed the, the gator over there. At the uh, watering apparatus uhm, they were you know. Had the, had the gentleman uh, putting water on him, everything like that. And, I was going to go over there to see if everything was okay with him. But, I noticed that I thought he sat up on his own. I could be wrong, c…, the coaches could’ve propped him up or whatever. But, he was in the upright position. They were, you know pouring water on him, everything like that. And uhm, the assistant AD uh, Coach (inaudible)…, Bob come over to uh, me and said that. You know, there was water for us here and, and everything. And, I asked him what was going on. You know, told, he knew that I was an EMT. And, uh, well he said uh, the, the one kid that was under the shade tree. Uhm, you know was having trouble uh, running. That you know, he was over there uh, they were administering to him, some teammates were. And, I guess the coaches were over there. And, then he said the other one uh, the other player uh, which was later to. B…, I believe was uh, Mr. Gilpin, was over there at the water apparatus. He said he’s not doing real good. Uh, and that’s all he said, he didn’t elaborate. He said EMS has been called for both of ‘em. Uhm, and they were gonna trans both of ‘em to the hospital. Uh, basically he

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kinda said like, one was conscious and one wasn’t conscious. Uhm, then uh, I started my half back about uh, 20 after to. Between 20 and 25 after, I started the second half of the soccer game. And, at that time EMS had already been there some time when our halftime. But, when he started the game EMS was loading up, looked like the last uhm, uh, patient. And, they were transporting him to whatever hospital they were transporting him to. And, then that’s after the ball game was over? Uh, I asked Mr. uh, Bob about the whole situation. And, he said all’s he knows is that they rolls, is being transported to the hospital. And, you know, if I wanted to follow up with him later. He’d let me know what he found out about the kids. Jones Sample Jones Okay. So, uh, the game you were actually referring was between who? Uh, PRP and Waggener. Okay. And, the time that you noticed the players uh, was when your game had started? And, you said you noticed uh, the players had been, were in full gear at one point/ Yes, sir. And, then at one point when they were watering down, they had removed their gear? Some of which chose to keep their gear on, correct? Well, uh, this wasn’t during the watering down, ‘cause when they went over to get water? They were still in full gear. And, then they came back and they were still in full gear. And, they started hitting, it’s when they started doing

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their running drills. Is when they decided to, that’s when the coaches had ‘em to strip down to just tee-shirts and, and pants. Jones Sample Jones Sample By doing the running drills? Yeah, by doing the running drills. Uh, did was there reading ever taken in your presence, as far as the temperature? Yes, sir uh, I asked uh, both coaches from uh, PRP and Waggener. Was uh, concerned about the heat uh, they wanted to know uh. By KSHAA uh, state law that we have to give a water break if the heat index is over so much, as referee? And, they were asking if they were gonna get it. I asked the uh, AD which was Mr. Webb. I asked him if he would give me a reading for my own personal uh. To cover me and, and you know, if there was any type of situations. And, uh, he said he’d be glad to. He gave me the reading uh, it was 94 degrees at that time. And, by our standards anything under 95, do not have to give a uhm, a water break. So, at that time I t…, I informed both coaches of Waggener and PRP. That there will not be a, a water break. Uh, unless set things change, and apparently you know, things didn’t change. Because, you know, the sun was going down and it didn’t get hotter, it got cooler. (Inaudible)… And, so we didn’t want a water break. Now, who gave you the reading again? Uh, Mr. Webb, Craig Webb.

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Craig Webb? And he is who? He is the AD at PRP High School. Okay. And, the person you talked to as regards to the uh, illness of the players? And, EMS being notified, who was that? That was uh, coach, or I say coach, it’s uh, he coaches over there. But, it’s the assistant AD uh, Dave Bob. Okay. So, uh, during the course of your game, your game that you were referring. Did any of your player, any of the players from either team get sick or ill? Yes, there was one girl that got uh, but she was, she got hurt. I don’t remember the extent of her injury. It was something uh, like minor. But, she was upset and she started uh, crying and, and. I, I know her from years past. She is asthmatic, so she was having an asthma attack. And, uh, I, I summonsed the coach over, this, the coach brought over her inhaler. And, some girls brought over water, and they were. Basically, she drank way too much water, way too fast. ‘Cause of her condition to being upset, and trying to catch her breath and everything like that. Before she could get off the soccer field, she started throwing up on the soccer field. And, after they got her off the field, I don’t, I don’t, don’t recall her coming back into the ball game. But, she did get sick on the soccer field. Okay. So, uh, back to the players just a brief moment here. Basically, your observation on

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the players that got sick. Uh, one of the players you stated was uh, Max Gilpin? Sample Jones Sample Jones Sample Yes, sir. And, the other player uh, who was, who you identified as that being. Was he a black uh? I, like I said. White male? I, I could not, I just read, I mean that day I could remember exactly what the, what the kid looked like. Uhm, but I just remember him really laboring, breathing and he would walk 3 or 4 steps. And, stop and bend over, and you know cough and, and everything. And, then he’d pick back up and he would go again. But, I just cannot remember uh, ‘cause I just remember this, this gentleman was conscious. And, I remember the gentleman that they took over to the watering apparatus. Uh, apparently on, from what I could tell, he was not conscious. And, then like I said, you know, but then I know it’s him. I thought either, either he set up or somebody set him up in the gator to give him water. Or, put water on him, so but I did say that you know, it was Mr. Gilpin. ‘Cause, I just figured now I made an assumption that you know. And you uh, you being the trained EMT, you offered your services. But, it was determined that you were not needed. Because, EMS was notified? Well, I was going to offer my services, and then I, I seen that they. I was walking over,

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then I see that Mr. Gilpin was in a, a upright position. And, then I figured well, he must be okay. ‘Cause, I figured he got up on his own, and it he was just. It was a heat related thing, that they were just putting water on him, ‘cause he got hot. But, that’s when I, I decided my own personal self, to turn back around and not to offer any type of uh, assistance. ‘Cause, I thought that the individual was upright. And, I thought well I don’t need to worry about helping him at that time. Jones Sample And, he, and he was receiving assistance (inaudible)..? Yes, from the, there was, yes sir there’s was uh, coaches and other personnel over there. You know, giv…, puttin’ water on him. Okay. So, just clarify you did not off…, you did not perform any assistance to either player? No, sir. Okay. And, he was being tended to by coaches, correct? Yes, sir. Okay. Uh, Danny go ahead. I don’t have anything. Uhm, Mr. Sample is there anything else, anything else important we didn’t cover? Any that, that any other parents from either team uh, come up to your attention, and tell you what they had observed?

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No, sir. During the course of the uh, varsity, PRP varsity football teams practice? N…, no sir. Okay. So, no one has discussed anything with you as far as what they saw, anything that may arouse suspicion or anything like that? No, sir. Okay, okay. No, further questions, and again anything else we didn’t ask you. Anything else important that we, we, we should ask? Um… Anything else, anything we didn’t cover? N…, no sir. Okay. All right, thank you for your time, sir. Uh, if needed we’ll get back with you. And, uh, anything comes up, okay. Uh, the time now is 1436 hours, we will conclude this interview of Mr. Sample.

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END OF STATEMENT File #08197jones-dl

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