Arash Asadi Dear Sir, As you know DP transmitters are working based on DP caused by weight of a column of liquid and

d there is a linear relationship between weight and DP. In cases that there are two phase fluids weight varies in a wide range and the relationship is not clear. For example in one of my projects there was a tank contains water and natural gas condensates and density of condensates was half of water. This means DP caused by 1 meter of water was equal to DP caused by 2 meters of condensates and when you read 250mbar on your DP transmitter you cannot calculate how much of it refers to which phase. Your question is so brief and does not contains clear information about fluids and Tank specifications but regarding my experience in similar cases, I strongly recommend using guided wave radar level transmitters instead of DP transmitters for interface measurement and level control. Check the Vega company products and consult with them. They offer suitable solution in reasonable price (http://www.vega.com/en/Level-measurement.htm). Someone mixes up radar level measurement with tank gauging system, but these are completely separate issues and radar level measurement is very cheaper than tank gauging and just a bit more than a DP transmitter.
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Krzysztof Bialik I refer to interface level measurement. In relatively stable process conditions (esp. process temp.) and knowing both liquids in question densities one can easily monitor both total level and interface level with one non-contact level x=meter (radar, ultrasonic, etc.) and DP x-meter. All necessary calculations can be made in PLC together with necessary alarm and malfunction thresholds values. It works very good for standard water/crude/gas separators.
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Richie Lloyd Guided wave radar is relatively cheap and has proved very reliable and effective on my last two jobs, gas condensate level measurement and interface level in an oil seperator.
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Jeff Mayo We have an application in which we measure the level of carbon disulfide (CS2) in water. We keep the vessel full of water (with overflow piping in a contained system) so that we are always looking at a full vessel. The only question is "How much of each liquid is in the vessel?" We only use one electronic dp cell to measure the level in the vessel. CS2 has a higher specific gravity (about 1.2) so, it is heavier than water. The calibration principle is as follows: We fully expect that, in the absence of any CS2, our vessell will be full of water. So, our "zero" of the instrument represents the vessel completely full of water. If the vessel has a set of

nozzles that are 40 inches apart and the dp is mounted with the high pressure side on the lower nozzle, then full of water it would read 40 in/H20. This would be the lower range value of the transmitter, since it represents 0" CS2 (full of water, but no CS2). If the highest level you can read is 40" (distance between sensing elements mounted on the nozzles), then your upper range value (representing a level of 40 inches of CS2) would be calculated as 40" multiplied by the difference in specific gravity of water and CS2. So, CS2 has a specific gravity of 1.2 and water is 1. The difference is .2 (roughly). Multiply that difference of .2 times the range of 40" and you get 8". Add that to the "full of water value" (40") and you get an upper range value of 48" H20 representing a level of 40 inches of CS2. Here's the part that confuses most people. For anything less than 40 inches of CS2 level, the remaining level is occupied by water. So, if you have 20' water and 20" of CS2, you have to "weigh" 20" of water=20 and weigh 20" of CS2 (20"X1.2sp.gr.)=24". When you add them together, you get 44" H20, which represents 20" of CS2 level. Here's the easy way to figure it. The CS2 level is just displacing the water that's there. So if you take away one inch of water and add one inch of CS2, you are only changing the pressure on the transmitter by .2 inches. The 1" was already there from the water. The CS2 is only .2" heavier than the water. So, for every inch of CS2 that displaces one inch of water, your value is only increasing by .2 in. Over a range of 40" level, your zero value of CS2 and your "full", or highest level of CS2 value will only differ by 8". Remember, that's .2 inH20 multiplied by a 40 inch rise in level (distance between flanges). As far as problems with the instrument in this type of application, you need to be careful if you have solids in your process. They can build up in the bottom nozzle and cause a false reading that will show a higher level than is there, or it may solidify across and not show a changing level. We've installed flushing rings against our sensing elements to be able to circulate a safe liquid in the nozzle to clean the face of the element. This prevents exposure to personnel having to open the process to clean the element. Good luck. Jeff.
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Nicole Wittmer You have the problem that it may not work as well as other instruments
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Paul Clark The Pub is open and do we really care about this outside of working hours.....
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Norm Scholz Guided wave radar is the most simple and elegant solution for an interface/level application, but dielectric constants, turbulence, foaming and possible emulsion layers in the process fluids should be taken into account.

In my experience, Rosemount 3300 or 5300 series will provide a good solution, but I recommend consulting with your local Rosemount office to ensure the best fit for the application.

Application area The VEGASON 61 is an ultrasonic sensor for continuous level measurement of liquids or bulk solids. Typical applications are the measurement of liquids in storage tanks or open basins. The sensor is also suitable for the detection of bulk solids in small vessels or open containers. The non-contact measuring principle is independent of product features and allows a setup without medium. Advantages

Price-favourable solution for simple applications Technical data Measuring range Process fitting Process temperature Process pressure SIL qualification liquids: 0.25 5 m solids: 0.25 2 m G1A of PVDF -40 +80 C -0,2 +2 bar (-20 +200 kPa) up to SIL2

Non-contact measurement Reliable measurement independent of product features

Service and ballast water tanks

Drinking water and grey/black water
Drinking water is an essential commodity on a shipand it is stored in separate, dedicated tanks. Depending on the type and size of the ship, different amounts of fresh water are required for drinking, for personal hygiene as well as for cleaning. Direct electrical measuring principles are mandatory for level measurement. Waste water, so-called grey/black water, is treated on large ships using on-board treatment plants or stored in special grey/black water tanks to await final disposal. Grey or black water measurement with VEGASON 61 Due to the large concentration of solids and the changing density of the tank contents, a non-contact measurement with ultrasonic technology qualifies well for this application. The VEGASON 61 sensor with PVDF-encapsulated transducer is resistant to the corrosive gases in the tank and requires only a G1 A threaded mounting boss as process fitting. Drinking water measurement with VEGABAR 54 Flanged directly onto the tank, VEGABAR 54 measures the level reliably and accurately. Drinking water safe materials and a front-flush diaphragm form the basis of an immaculately hygienic measurement. The rugged sapphire-ceramic diaphragm withstands chemical and mechanical cleaning. The external electronics can be mounted in an easily accessible place for local display and setup. Ballast water in the wing and double bottom tanks The ballast water measurements in the wing and double bottom tanks go directly into the calculations for ship trim, draught and list. Since the measuring points are virtually inaccessible during operation on board, reliability and stability are an absolute must. Pressure shocks, abrasive sand particles and brackish water place additional heavy demands on the instrumentation.

VEGAPULS 66 in the wing tank VEGAPULS 66 provides reliable and safe measurement in the straight, vertical wing tanks. The sensor is resistant to breaking waves and abrasion. Temperature fluctuations in the tank do not influence the measuring result either. The housing is available in IP 68 version and needs no ventilation. A special connection is available for optional manual sounding. VEGABAR 66 in the double bottom tank With its IP 69K sensor housing and ceramic measuring cell, VEGABAR 66 is the perfect sensor for the harsh conditions in the double bottom tank. The climate compensated electronics protects against the influence of moisture and can be installed and ventilated on site.

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