ukedchat Archive 9th May 2013 Hosted by @informed_edu 20:00:39 20:00:43 20:00:44 ukedchat PookyH ICTmagic

A Royal College of Teaching

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TeacherToolkit

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Kerileef StuBillington CharHarAgain ecarsontc aurelagazel informed_edu

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Hanes_101

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PookyH

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tombo73uk

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EA_Holmes urban_teacher informed_edu

It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @informed_edu Your thoughts on the idea of a Royal College of Teaching RT @informed_edu: Welcome to tonight's #UkEdChat Your views on a Royal College of Teaching! RT @informed_edu: First question of the night "Do we need a new member-led College of Teaching?" #UkEdChat - Go! RT @ukedchat: Its 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @informed_edu Your thoughts on the idea of a Royal College of Teaching RT @informed_edu: First question of the night "Do we need a new member-led College of Teaching?" #UkEdChat - Go! Why does it have to be "Royal"? I object to that! #ukedchat @informed_edu RCoT report: "without teachers wanting this it will & cannot happen" Well,er, yes it's not Royal College of Turnips. #ukedchat @informed_edu #ukedchat what will it do? RT @ukedchat: Its 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @informed_edu Your thoughts on the idea of a Royal College of Teaching .@ecarsontc Information about the proposed new body here http://t.co/K1O0X2tDFh #ukedchat RT @yrathro: Are you a teacher? How do you make decisions? Please take a quick survey http://t.co/b6WhBUQQug #addcym #ukedchat Please RT Hi folks, can't join #ukedchat tonight but just wanted to share this @tes piece re the Royal College idea: http://t.co/GCyF7em4Qt RT @informed_edu: Please remember folks, between 8pm and 9pm we are discussing a Royal College of Teaching in #ukedchat - no commercial tweets or plugs then! RT @informed_edu: Welcome to tonight's #UkEdChat Your views on a Royal College of Teaching! Bewildering how a profession as important as teaching does not have a single, body that encourages & advances good practice in edu #ukedchat RT @PookyH: Hi folks, can't join #ukedchat tonight but just wanted to share this @tes piece re the Royal College

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A Royal College of Teaching

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Graham_IRISC

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aknill

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informed_edu SurrealAnarchy CharHarAgain informed_edu debrakidd ukedchat informed_edu

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bekblayton

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Teachers_First SimonWhitehall StuartLock LePrecis

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PTAsocial

idea: http://t.co/GCyF7em4Qt #ukedchat if we wish to avoid the vicissitudes of ill informed debate or political rhetoric - we need to be a profession .. RT @SheliBB: Can your DLs create a tutorial for #ukedchat? http://t.co/XslE4lF8eV An exciting July DL TeachTweet! #DLchat @HeadDownEyesUp @tomhenzley RT @LePrecis: "Do we need a new member-led College of Teaching?" Yes - & all the teaching profession should auto become part" #ukedchat Why doesn't the current college of teachers have a mass membership? #ukedchat John Armstrong links it to professionalism. I'm not sure that we need a RCoT to support that we have that in spades already #ukedchat Remember to use the hashtag #ukedchat in your replies this evening #ukedchat we need a body which forms policy and education guidance at arm's length from party politics. If the RCoT can do this, then yes. RT @informed_edu: Remember to use the hashtag #ukedchat in your replies this evening RT @debrakidd: #ukedchat we need a body which forms policy and education guidance at arm's length from party politics. If the RCoT can do this, then yes. RT @informed_edu: First question of the night "Do we need a new member-led College of Teaching?" #UkEdChat - Go! RT @ukedchat: Its 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @informed_edu Your thoughts on the idea of a Royal College of Teaching @StuBillington yes, in no way should it be royal #ukedchat RT @SurrealAnarchy: Why doesn't the current college of teachers have a mass membership? #ukedchat ... without personal cost to them @informed_edu #UKEdChat RT @informed_edu: I'm hosting #ukedchat tonight at 8pm & discussing the idea of a "Royal College of Teaching" Some pre-reading here: http://t.co/uiw0Sm34Re

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RT @SheliBB: Exciting #DLchat news!! http://t.co/XslE4lF8eV can your DLs create a video HeadDownEyesUp tutorial for a future #ukedchat TeachTweet? Plz RT @urban_teacher will it be better than the GTC? SimonWhitehall #ukedchat RCoT, as a single body, may have potential to be a andreacarr1 powerful teacher-led voice (that isn't a union) to counter and advise govt #ukedchat Q2 "Should it be called a Royal College of Teaching?" informed_edu have already had comments about *Royal* #ukedchat RT @SimonWhitehall @urban_teacher will it be better jlog2712 than the GTC?#ukedchat Would be good to have an actual standard. Also there Ebl_association would a means of debating educational issues without union baggage ! #ukedchat @Graham_IRISC How does a RCoT make that so? I fear CharHarAgain this too much about awe at feet of Establishment? What's the point of NQT then? #ukedchat #ukedchat Will a RCoT protect us from the personal JulesLilly whims of politicians? SimonWhitehall @andreacarr1 Govt. certainly needs advice #ukedchat i.e. it needs to be the complete membership of the LePrecis teaching profession @informed_edu #UKEdChat .@andreacarr1 well that sounds useful #UKEdChat but ecarsontc how to make sure it actually speaks 4 both mainstream Tchers & those more specialist? #ukedchat I don't think there is the common will amongst MrACalvert teachers to make this work. To many want and do plough their own furrow @andreacarr1 Also important/essential that it isn't afraid EA_Holmes of challenging govt policy. It won't serve the profession otherwise. #ukedchat The Royal College of Teaching should be a "standardurban_teacher bearer for teacher quality & excellence". The idea is good but in reality! Hmm #ukedchat RT @debrakidd: #ukedchat we need a body which forms gdavies0 policy and education guidance at arm's length from party politics. If the RCoT can do this, then yes. . @informed_edu does it need patronage to be Royal? miconm #ukedchat EA_Holmes @JulesLilly I think it has to. What use otherwise?

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ukedchat Archive 9th May 2013 Hosted by @informed_edu 20:08:14 20:08:31 20:08:33 20:08:35 20:08:56 StuartLock Graham_IRISC SimonWhitehall informed_edu MrACalvert

A Royal College of Teaching

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truan_steve LearningSpy LePrecis debrakidd paulsnorman Graham_IRISC informed_edu CharHarAgain EA_Holmes LePrecis debrakidd informed_edu ecarsontc

#ukedchat Was going to #ukedchat but now the baby is crying. #ukedchat professionalism at the'front line' has to be the aim. Too often teachers are so badly characterised by media and politicians... @LePrecis @informed_edu compulsory membership? Free? #ukedchat Current question: Should it be called a Royal College of Teaching? #UkEdChat RT @Graham_IRISC: #ukedchat professionalism at the'front line' has to be the aim. Too often teachers are so badly characterised by media and politicians... I am nervous. If it disagrees with gove then it will b full of bad mr men, if it supports his policies ?? can it really b indep #ukedchat @debrakidd But who's going to make those decisions? #UKEdChat @informed_edu: "does it need Royal patronage"? Nope #ukedchat #ukedchat I wonder if, rightly or wrongly, royal carries gravitas - royal academy, royal society all sound more prestigious in public's eyes #ukedchat College could bring all teachers, regardless of role (SLT are still teachers) together with common aims. @charharagain I believe that RCT will give a degree of professional independence #ukedchat Q1 (and the big one for the night) was "Do we need a new member-led College of Teaching?" #UkEdChat @andreacarr1 I understand interest in non-union route but having a RCoT also won't speak for all so perhaps an unnecessary expense #ukedchat @informed_edu Would "Royal" impact effectiveness? It has to serve the profession... #ukedchat You enter the teaching profession: you freely become a member of the body @SimonWhitehall #UKEdChat #ukedchat ...so if this is also about raising status of profession with general public, does royal help with that? RT @Bedtonman: it's a waste of time and money and will have no impact on ordinary teachers. The name is irrelevant #ukedchat . @informed_edu #UKEdChat surely importance of actual name is secondary to what it achieves /

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A Royal College of Teaching

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informed_edu judeenright cranny44

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paulsnorman

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CharHarAgain

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informed_edu

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ethinking SimonWhitehall SherriDingle Mrs___F

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Graham_IRISC andreacarr1 judeenright SuperMathsProf

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HeyMissSmith

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MrACalvert

accomplishes, Royal or not RT @LearningSpy: @informed_edu Really don't care what it's called as long as it has teeth. #ukedchat RT @SurrealAnarchy: Why doesn't the current college of teachers have a mass membership? #ukedchat RT @ASTsupportAAli: Some revision methods of mine. Share them with your students? Display them? #ukedchat #tmsurrey http://t.co/C8c45ET3ep #ukedchat the Royal carries weight in terms of social / cultural capital and public perception that may not be there as just College? @Graham_IRISC That's v. diff POV than suggesting we are not already a profession. We are of course already a profession. #ukedchat RT @MrACalvert: @informed_edu the 'royal' badge is to try and give it credence with other professional bodies that will not happen #ukedchat bugs with a 17 year long life cycle - Years Underground, Hatching an Invasion http://t.co/Xrvb0qav8f #ukedchat #science @debrakidd "Royal" also carries other more unfortunate connertations #ukedchat How would it differ from the GTC? #ukedchat #ukedchat Been teaching so no time to read around, in a nutshell what would the RCoT embody? Its rationale? In a tweet sized nutshell? #ukedchat the aim of a RCT must be to act as an independent voice for the profession - not an arm of the government - hence 'Royal' (MBE... @CharHarAgain Agree with that. Who's done the business plan? #ukedchat @SurrealAnarchy Good question. #ukedchat And can someone remind me why we objected to the GTC? Fabby day today! Taught Circle Theorems to top set Y9. Overheard one of them saying to my HoD "I did GdA work today; it way easy!" #ukedchat If teachers want to protect their profession, they should fight Gove's attempts to de-professionalise us, not back a RCoT. #ukedchat @paulsnorman I like the idea Paul, that is hard enough at school (or even dept level) never mind nationally #ukedchat

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ukedchat Archive 9th May 2013 Hosted by @informed_edu 20:11:54 20:12:02 20:12:30 KlooGame CharHarAgain Graham_IRISC

A Royal College of Teaching

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andreacarr1 JulesLilly SimonWhitehall judeenright bekblayton

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urban_teacher Mrs___F ecarsontc Dandan7171 judeenright

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ColinGoffin

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CharHarAgain

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tombo73uk

(#MFL) RT @ukedchat:Are you interested in hosting a Thursday night #ukedchat session?Contact @ukedchat for details @paulsnorman I think this is a nice idea but what about concrete outcomes? #ukedchat @charharagain we are not treated like a profession views not listened to - evidence for change is biased by popular rhetoric etc #ukedchat @judeenright @SurrealAnarchy The current govt closed it down and put in on the bonfire of the quangos. #ukedchat @debrakidd: #ukedchat Agree for all the reasons you suggest. Sounds like something held in high esteem. @HeyMissSmith tend to agree; quite happy being in a strong union #ukedchat @HeyMissSmith #ukedchat Isn't that the whole aim of a Royal College? Professional body , apolitical. It will be like the GTC-we already have a College of School Leadership, needs to be done properly, and it won't be. Waste of money #ukedchat RCOT main aim should be to support both teachers and pupils, and provide stability through changes in political cycles! #ukedchat #ukedchat Surely substance and delivery is more important than any 'name?' @CharHarAgain @Graham_IRISC #UKedchat whilst yes, we are a profession, I've always considered teaching more a vocation When GTC was formed initial intention was similar #ukedchat @andreacarr1 @SurrealAnarchy #ukedchat Yes , but before that we all objected to it, can't remember why now. I kind of think we have it already, in schools, in networks, on here. Would formalising make it too rigid and less organic? #ukedchat I think Jonathan Shepherd's points about innovation, without Gov influence, held by Royal College of Surgeons are convincing #ukedchat RT @Graham_IRISC: #ukedchat professionalism at the'front line' has to be the aim. Too often teachers are so badly characterised by media and politicians...

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ukedchat Archive 9th May 2013 Hosted by @informed_edu 20:14:55 judeenright

A Royal College of Teaching

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Graham_IRISC

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hayleyjess

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UK_Schools

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judeenright

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CharHarAgain

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LePrecis bekblayton mberry jlog2712 informed_edu SurrealAnarchy hayleyjess sidchip64 debrakidd urban_teacher

@bekblayton #ukedchat Ah yes, waste of money. That was why we objected. Seems like it is needed now we don't have it, though. #ukedchat - the use of Royal means a Royal Charter ie politically independent - therefore in our arcane constitution it guarantees a... #ukedchat my exp of a college of teaching: compulsory, cost over 50, demanding registration process& college did nothing for me in the end QOTD. Churchill: "I am always ready to learn, but I don't always like being taught" http://t.co/FURCqaJyg7 #ukedchat http://t.co/EuciN4T1O3 RT @Graham_IRISC: #ukedchat - the use of Royal means a Royal Charter ie politically independent therefore in our arcane constitution it guarantees a... @ecarsontc @Graham_IRISC They're different and teaching is often both in the same way as being a doctor is both #ukedchat I agree that many things have arisen since the School Adviser went, @ColinGoffin - formalising it would give it political power #UKEdChat @judeenright actually, I quite liked the GTC, but I really never 'used' it... #ukedchat @urban_teacher with other professions, there's more consensus around what constitutes good practice, and it's easier to tell. #ukedchat #ukedchat with the fragmentation of schools the RCoT may help consistency Q3. has already been raised: "Who should be eligible to join the new body?" - An 'elite', people who choose, or all conscripted? #ukedchat It's called college of teachers at the moment, Royal at top is Philip, this new one would have Charles... #ukedchat RT @MrACalvert: @paulsnorman I like the idea Paul, that is hard enough at school (or even dept level) never mind nationally #ukedchat @informed_edu What about 'General Teaching Council'? #ukedchat @Bedtonman @judeenright @heymisssmith head of Ofsted is appointed by SoS so essential that RCoT bods elected and THEY appoint HMI #ukedchat The previous professional body, the GTC set up by the

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A Royal College of Teaching

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SurrealAnarchy SurrealAnarchy CharHarAgain

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EA_Holmes

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informed_edu

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ameeeb

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ChrisChivers2 mberry ColinGoffin

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oldandrewuk

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Graham_IRISC

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judeenright

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informed_edu

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TeacherTweaks

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ICTmagic

Labour in the 90s, was abolished by the current gov when it came into office #ukedchat Why only one Royal College of teaching? #ukedchat Medical royal colleges are many #ukedchat @ColinGoffin Agreed, seems a RCT is in some ways a step backwards. I'd back the #ukedchat community over a formalised RCT @informed_edu If it is an elite, it risks not being respected or valued. Choice better than conscription? #ukedchat RT @SurrealAnarchy: Why only one Royal College of teaching? #ukedchat < You mean different specialisms e.g. Maths/SEN/assessment? If it could encourage unity and provide support to those in need then brill. How would it be funded and set up? #ukedchat @debrakidd @LearningSpy My worry; who puts themselves up for election to RCoT? Already politicised? Could it be impartial? #ukedchat @bekblayton But NCTL is an agency of govt. Education is too important to be left to politicians. #ukedchat If Royal turns it into the Princes Institute or whatever those awful invitations I keep getting are then I'd happily not use term #ukedchat #ukedchat I'm in favour of a RCoT if it's run by people I like (or me). I'm against it if it's run by the usual idiots. Thank you. #ukedchat - a ROYAL college of teaching could not be shut down by a politician - it is protected. You may be a republican but take... @bekblayton I remember resenting /having/ to pay for it. And the pointless glossy magazines. #ukedchat Lessons for #RCoT ? RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat I'm in favour of a RCoT if it's run by people I like (or me). I'm against it if it's run by the usual idiots. Thank you. @ukedchat #UKedchat Just hope the discussion about a RCoT doesn't detract from potentially more important issues. Hope it won't be new GTC. RT @PookyH: Hi folks, can't join #ukedchat tonight but just wanted to share this @tes piece re the Royal College idea: http://t.co/GCyF7em4Qt

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ukedchat Archive 9th May 2013 Hosted by @informed_edu 20:18:00 20:18:11 20:18:17 SurrealAnarchy SimonWhitehall LePrecis

A Royal College of Teaching

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Michael_Merrick

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MrACalvert

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ameeeb

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ecarsontc

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bekblayton SurrealAnarchy truan_steve jamesdhobson

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daveterron LePrecis ameeeb cia262 ameeeb ColinGoffin

#ukedchat royal college of early year teachers, maths teachers, drama teachers etc. would be more relevant to rank & file? @jlog2712 Agree about fragmentation so maybe schools should belong not individuals #ukedchat I think it should be a Quango, @ameeeb #UKEdChat - if they're prepared to fund the odious Ofsted, they can fund a College #UKEdChat RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat I'm in favour of a RCoT if it's run by people I like (or me). I'm against it if it's run by the usual idiots. Thank you. #ukedchat A question: are we as teachers really seen on an equal footing by joe public, to surgeons/doctors/nurses/ or even surveyors? RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat I'm in favour of a RCoT if it's run by people I like (or me). I'm against it if it's run by the usual idiots. Thank you. RT @CharHarAgain: @ColinGoffin Agreed, seems a RCT is in some ways a step backwards. I'd back the #ukedchat community over a formalised RCT @mberry but who will choose the leaders of a Royal College, and what will they do? They will have no power... #ukedchat @informed_edu yes #ukedchat I don't understand y colleagues believe it will b listened to. #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat I'm in favour of a RCoT if it's run by people I like (or me). I'm against it if it's run by the usual idiots. Thank you. RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat I'm in favour of RCoT if it's run by people I like (or me). I'm against it if it's run by the usual idiots.<<8-) we're held in high regard, @MrACalvert http://t.co/HbaPx7RH8L #UKEdChat RT @MrACalvert: #ukedchat A question: are we as teachers really seen on an equal footing by joe public, to surgeons/doctors/nurses/ or even surveyors? #ukedchat RCT, independent of govt, could give teachers much needed voice. @MrACalvert My gut feeling would be no! #ukedchat @LePrecis Not sure I'm interested in political power. More interested in developing classrooms and we can do

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A Royal College of Teaching

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SPFLearning

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Lucyd1237

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HuntingEnglish informed_edu debrakidd

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bekblayton

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ColinGoffin SimonWhitehall ameeeb LePrecis

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andreacarr1

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informed_edu

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CharHarAgain cia262 SurrealAnarchy HeyMissSmith

that regardless #ukedchat @SPFSchools: Follow our Principal @StephenPerse with her @GuardianEdu blog http://t.co/MM5wIFGBBP #UKedchat #SLTchat @missstew1 also, keep an eye out for #TMNorthWest 28th Sept @CaldiesSchool #Caldiesstyle #EngChatUK #ukedchat #Tweachers @informed_edu Conscript some experts/researchers & nominate teachers from a range of schools & from all levels #ukedchat Q4 - Should the new body provide a career path, e.g. chartered teacher, Fellow of the RCoT, etc.? #UkEdChat @ChrisChivers2 @learningspy #ukedchat people who care? Of course it's all political - education is political but shd not be PARTY political RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat I'm in favour of a RCoT if it's run by people I like (or me). I'm against it if it's run by the usual idiots. Thank you. @oldandrewuk @informed_edu Who are these people? Who elected them? And how do I replace them with some of my friends? @billybragg #ukedchat @cia262 Only if sympathetic media also involved #ukedchat @LePrecis @MrACalvert Yeh we tell the truth but we're also lazy and all go home at 3pm! #ukedchat True, @ColinGoffin - but I'm interested in sensible, informed Education policies rather than successive SoSs ideas #UKEdChat @SurrealAnarchy @informed_edu There are already effective charities/ assocs specialising in and representing sectors of teaching. #ukedchat RT @ecarsontc: @informed_edu @SurrealAnarchy as in royal college of surgeons, physicians, anaesthetists, nurses etc #ukedchat @truan_steve I'm closer to a no than yes but I think Jonathan Shepherd's discussion of the RCoSurgeons in the report is convincing #ukedchat #ukedchat Unions give teaching a poor image. Independent RCT could be the remedy. . @informed_edu how about non qualified teachers? #ukedchat The teachers' pay and conditions document is being

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A Royal College of Teaching

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mat_harte

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Lucyd1237 ColinGoffin mberry

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StephenPerse informed_edu urban_teacher LearningSpy jlog2712 SimonWhitehall CareersDefender

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debrakidd informed_edu mberry GarrodMusto LePrecis

dismantled in September. More important than the RCoT? #ukedchat Surely Mr Gove knows the story of Plato's cave, misinformation and the fallacy of misinterpretation? #ukedchat @govewatch @CaldiesEnglish: I want my grave stone to look like this http://t.co/VLKB2VgUno #genius #ukedchat #EngChatUK @informed_edu Good Christ no. I'm going off the idea as each question is posed! #ukedchat @bekblayton I wonder if *collegiality* might be significant - the authority of a master craftsman rather than a leader's power? #ukedchat RT @HeyMissSmith: The teachers' pay and conditions document is being dismantled in September. More important than the RCoT? #ukedchat RT @LearningSpy: @_FreeEducation @informed_edu Teeth = power #ukedchat 3000 unqualified teachers into the classroom since '10 If you dont ave a GTC or RCoT then the profession will b further undermined #ukedchat @debrakidd Well, that sounds nice. Let's hope so #ukedchat #ukedchat if unqualified teachers can teach should they join as teachers? Mm! @cia262 The Daily Telegrapg etc gives teaching a poor image, not unions #ukedchat RT @HeyMissSmith: The teachers' pay and conditions document is being dismantled in September. More important than the RCoT? #ukedchat @Bedtonman @judeenright @heymisssmith #ukedchat unions are there to represent teachers. The RCoT should represent children through teachers. Q5! "How could a new member-led College of Teaching benefit the profession?" #UkEdChat @mat_harte @govewatch someone had to chain the prisoners up. #ukedchat RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat I'm in favour of a RCoT if it's run by people I like (or me). I'm against it if it's run by the usual idiots. Thank you. "how about non qualified teachers?" Surely a college could have PGCE courses etc. @SurrealAnarchy

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A Royal College of Teaching

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informed_edu 10kmk42 ericha1806 EA_Holmes SurrealAnarchy informed_edu

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CharHarAgain

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Graham_IRISC

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CareersDefender simplem_ths truan_steve SimonWhitehall informed_edu

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CharHarAgain EA_Holmes susanbanister SimonWhitehall

@informed_edu #UKEdChat RT @JulesLilly: Would a RCoT bring together an increasingly fragmental school system - academies, maintained, free schools, studio #ukedchat Has ny1 got Epson eb-s02 projectors? What are they like? #ukedchat #ictchat @TeacherToolkit #ukedchat @TalkingDonkeyRE urgent question....is smsc a limiting ofsted judgement? ??? @informed_edu Worth looking at the HEA for thoughts on this (stages of membership based on experience). #ukedchat Q5: by replacing Ofsted #UkEdChat So "How could a new member-led College of Teaching benefit the profession?" - being optimistic, what could happen? #UkEdChat @informed_edu in report: "50% of current head teachers are in their 50s and planning to retire in a few years" 10 years+ more like #ukedchat @SimonWhitehall @cia262 think unions are being very mature but their role is not as a professional body #ukedchat #ukedchat at what pint can one join? NQTS? TF? It's just another Gove anachronistic throwback to Eton, next we'll have to wear mortar board #ukedchat. Have a piccy on me #gove http://t.co/5O7kBN8KLN RT @HeyMissSmith: The teachers' pay and conditions document is being dismantled in September. More important than the RCoT? #ukedchat @cia262 Government is the problem, not teachers or unions #ukedchat RT @mberry: @LePrecis perhaps RCoT should control the award of QTS? Membership = qualification? @SurrealAnarchy @informed_edu #ukedchat @informed_edu "very few ways to gain recognition of being an outstanding practitioner" Should it be about accolades? #ukedchat @informed_edu @JulesLilly It would struggle, especially if it was fearful of challenging political input. #ukedchat @informed_edu @JulesLilly Would it accept nonteachers from Academies then? #ukedchat @Graham_IRISC @cia262 Agreed, but cynical after

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A Royal College of Teaching

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informed_edu debrakidd hstevenson10 informed_edu SimonWhitehall EA_Holmes informed_edu

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Graham_IRISC informed_edu CharHarAgain

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mberry MrSahotaICT

GTC #ukedchat RT @truan_steve: @HeyMissSmith spot on. It's a huge distraction strategy #ukedchat < Agree? @LearningSpy @chrischivers2 Not a clue! But my sis and hubby are involved in chartered soc for physios and that seems v democratic #ukedchat #rcot Will it pass the test? Independent? Democratic? Collective voice? #ukedchat RT @hstevenson10: #rcot Will it pass the test? Independent? Democratic? Collective voice? #ukedchat @cia262 @Graham_IRISC As before; with sympathetic media representation #ukedchat @informed_edu Shouldn't this be question 1?! We need to be clear on potential benefits at outset. #ukedchat RT @Soarpoints: @informed_edu @mberry @LePrecis @SurrealAnarchy & at what point would this then be different to the GTC? #ukedchat Just joined #ukedchat (an extra glass of wine got in the way) is there a general consensus - for or against? Or not that black & white?! @cia262 I think my point. depending on the Charter which set it up it could have very wide powers for supervision and consultation #ukedchat @LPerformance No consensus established so far! #ukedchat @truan_steve True, I think he focused more on medical practice than on policy. I feel a RCT for political influence is a dead duck #ukedchat RT @ericha1806: @TeacherToolkit #ukedchat @TalkingDonkeyRE urgent question....is smsc a limiting ofsted judgement? ??? RT @informed_edu: RT @truan_steve: @HeyMissSmith spot on. It's a huge distraction strategy #ukedchat < Agree? @ColinGoffin "Would rather focus was on just teaching" Well that's fair enough, but you could be sharing good practice (both ways) #UKEdChat @Soarpoints @informed_edu key difference would be if this was created / controlled by the profession, not govt. #ukedchat @LePrecis Used google forms today to collate year 9 options! Very slick, easy to create and use #lessadmin #timesaver

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inwte

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hstevenson10 LePrecis HuntingEnglish truan_steve informed_edu LPerformance jlog2712 MrWaldram

#ukedchat #googled #googleapps RT @mberry: @Soarpoints @informed_edu key difference would be if this was created / controlled by the profession, not govt. #ukedchat @LePrecis @informed_edu @mberry @LePrecis @SurrealAnarchy Seriously? I had a naive idea it might be professionals sharing practice. #ukedchat @informed_edu @mberry @LePrecis @SurrealAnarchy #ukedchat How might a RCoT affect membership of subject associations? How enthusiastic will teachers be for #RCoT when they get asked for 100 per year? #ukedchat @simonwhitehall but GTC not protected by a Charter guarantee of no political interference and could not be shut down #ukedchat RT @JulesLilly: Routes into teaching are changing, teaching quals will probably change. The RCoT would need to reflect #ukedchat #ukedchat I think all teachers would have to join, if it is really seen to be on an equal footing with RCS etc, but that won't happen ever! #ukedchat If #RCoT turns out like #GTC a disciplinary body which was pushed on teachers then waste of time but..... Need to look at reasons why teachers' professional voice has been muted. Get the question right and #rcot ceases to be the answer #ukedchat It shouldn't need to be a matter of subs, @SurrealAnarchy - it should be a quango. #UKEdChat @ameeeb @informed_edu Naysayers will always be there, but there is too much to be gained by the RcoT & pursuing evidence in edu. #ukedchat If we had an independent sec of state then I could c a royal college working #ukedchat @HuntingEnglish @ameeeb Can you expand on the potential benefits? #ukedchat Mmm didn't think it would be that simple! @informed_edu I'm reading all about it as we tweet :) #ukedchat #ukedchat the Royal Collage of Nursing is the nursing union and standard bearer @CaptainGove: It appears I am being lampooned... #govetationals #bbc #mrmen #ukedchat

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Actionjackson MrG_ICT developingTandL andreacarr1 informed_edu

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LePrecis SimonWhitehall informed_edu simplem_ths

http://t.co/k4KtrbC9O6 http://t.co/FPormzGgKd @ColinGoffin @informed_edu not an insignificant part of professional formation, to be fair. #ukedchat @LePrecis @SurrealAnarchy @CareersDefender I think Gove not an advocate of RCT but bending to pressure - wont suit his style of management #ukedchat If we successfully establish a (Royal) College of Teaching then what will the profession look like in 10 years? #UkEdChat @informed_edu @truan_steve I think it appeals to people who want to earn stripes and win awards. That's not a good reason. #ukedchat Never heard of @thefixupteam? Book a COMPLIMENTARY taster assembly for your students. Yr 9/10 #Ukedchat #Sltchat - http://t.co/0SvsnkBlb7 How about RCO Education with teachers OFSTED, HTs, MPs etc working together. #ukedchat I kinda thought CoT wld be apolitical, supportive developmental professional body giving us one voice? Most professions have them #ukedchat Background reading on GTC - why it came about, and its original purpose. #ukedchat http://t.co/bOPJGNqOKM RT @andreacarr1: Background reading on GTC - why it came about, and its original purpose. #ukedchat http://t.co/bOPJGNqOKM #ukedchat if #RCoT has some teeth and protects profession and professionals in teaching then teachers will/could want it #ukedchat hey! look on the bright side we would a get extra letters after our names BSc (Hons) PGCE Fellow of the RCofT LMAO I don't see it like that at all, @CharHarAgain - More for professional support and development @informed_edu @truan_steve #UKEdChat @Graham_IRISC True. But then we'd have to be "Royal" #ukedchat We're already half-way through tonight's #UkEdChat. We're asking for your views on a new member-led College of Teaching #ukedchat What are the perceived benefits ? It would appear to be a quango or a political vehicle in my

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informed_edu inwte ColinGoffin debrakidd

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CharHarAgain inwte TeacherToolkit damiandonnelly

opinion. So far we've asked if we want it, do we need it, what should it be called, who is it for, what are the benefits? #UkEdChat #ukedchat Will #RCoT be run by hand picked #gove lackeys or will it be independent of #DFE? @developingTandL Seems like it could end up becoming worse than what it seeks to replace. #ukedchat @informed_edu @truan_steve @heymisssmith Might be seen as a way to keep us quiet, but we don't have to be quiet. Trojan horse? #ukedchat @informed_edu @ameeeb Benefits: central voice (outside of politicians) to promote & validate evidence of best pedagogy. #ukedchat No "College" of any description is worth the effort and expense unless the Govt gives lots of influence over the PoS and quals. #ukedchat Without recognised forum to shape & direct profession, pedagogy & CPD, the profession will be in the hands of the DfE to tyrannize #ukedchat Stand up to the obstacles do something about them. You'll find that they haven't half the strength we think they have - N Peale #ukedchat A reminder - there's background info, teachers' blogs, media and a link to the recent free book here: http://t.co/K1O0X2tDFh #ukedchat @LBNSEAD Different benefits from each, so probably marginal. Another model might be joint membership? @informed_edu @LePrecis #ukedchat I agree, @ColinGoffin - I think this is a way of taking politics out of education & replacing it with pedagogy. #UKEdChat @HuntingEnglish The Education Studies departments of our universities pursue evidence brilliantly-why not fund them? #ukedchat #ukedchat You cannot help teachers being sceptical since the treatment they have been enduring of late I remain unconvinced. If current classroom practitioners do not sit on their committee or in other similar bodies; to help >> #ukedchat RT @mikeondigital: You can sign up for first 3 Welsh Gov Hwbmeets http://t.co/rtmJ8S9382 with special

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ukedchat Archive 9th May 2013 Hosted by @informed_edu

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LePrecis

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CareersDefender StuBillington developingTandL TeacherToolkit

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ameeeb ethinking informed_edu

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guests pls RT #ukedchat #addcym #hwbdysgu GET INVOLVED RT @inwte: #ukedchat You cannot help teachers being sceptical since the treatment they have been enduring of late @StuBillington Do you think we wait for the government to give influence or set up a new body and then demand influence? #ukedchat RT @Actionjackson: Never heard of @thefixupteam? Book a COMPLIMENTARY taster assembly for your students. Yr 9/10 #Ukedchat #Sltchat http://t.co/0SvsnkBlb7 : @Graham_IRISC I don't agree, I think it is a smoke & mirrors job from within Whitehall. #ukedchat Or over teacher training, pay and conditions, ... #ukedchat @ColinGoffin #ukedchat if the HTRT can get there act together then the rest of us teachers can > steer the vision for the profession, then championing call for @CollegeofTeach will remain a pipe-dream and nothing more. #ukedchat @StuBillington But NC PoS apply to less than half of secondary schools, and much variety of qualifications. #ukedchat @HuntingEnglish Agree that research is key but I also think there's only a big impact if it engages majority of profession. #ukedchat #ukedchat @StuBillington influence is earned - on merit.there's a reason the profession has no influence. RT @LBNSEAD: @mberry @informed_edu @LePrecis I'm trying to work out how we would work alongside < How do Subj. Assocs fit? #UkEdChat @CollegeofTeach = that any Royal College of Teachers should support the whole teaching profession; http://t.co/MIkRwPjank #ukedchat RT @Bedtonman: @informed_edu that depends on the SoS who can chose to ignore it as they do Trade unions #ukedchat Should be called RCoA (anyone) July 2012 Gove removed the requirement for schools to only appoint qualified teachers. #ukedchat

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ukedchat Archive 9th May 2013 Hosted by @informed_edu 20:37:29 CharHarAgain

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TeacherToolkit

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ColinGoffin

@LePrecis Have you read the report? I'd say @informed_edu's section focuses on individual ambition #ukedchat not just teachers in schools, but also HE lecturers, industrial trainers, tutors, peripatetic teachers; everyone! #UkEdChat Q6 tonight is - "What relationship could Subject Associations have with the new body?" #UkEdChat what do you think? @TeacherToolkit We do that here and in pubs and Teachmeets. We're too creative to be held down. Let's not create our own tyrants! #ukedchat #UkEdChat EVERY SINGLE TEACHER - grassroots pedagogy @andreacarr1 in short the #GTC was there to keep teachers in check! #ukedchat RT @andreacarr1: Background reading on GTC - why it came about, and its original purpose. #ukedchat http://t.co/bOPJGNqOKM @ethinking We haven't failed to earn it, we've been denied the opportunity. #ukedchat Oo I almost forgot!On newsday Tuesday today (don't ask) we watched this: http://t.co/ylrXS8A895 amazing atom stuff! #science #ukedchat #doit RT @Bedtonman: @debrakidd @judeenright @HeyMissSmith We need professional unity one union 4 all teachers #ukedchat #ukedchat I know @collegeofteach would be so much better if @TeacherToolkit was in charge - why didn't you think of it first? @LBNSEAD cfsa incorporated into RCoT? Subj. Assocs. as affiliates? #ukedchat @informed_edu @LePrecis I have read it, yes, @CharHarAgain - I think there are different ideas from each contributor. It's important it's set up right. #UKEdChat RT @LePrecis: I agree, @ColinGoffin - I think this is a way of taking politics out of education & replacing it with pedagogy. #UKEdChat @informed_edu #ukedchat I think the image of teachers in the minds of the public would feel different. There would be strong PR/media role.

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TeacherToolkit inwte islayian StuBillington MissJLud

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ethinking mberry LePrecis

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ukedchat Archive 9th May 2013 Hosted by @informed_edu 20:39:20 HuntingEnglish

A Royal College of Teaching

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miconm

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informed_edu

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HeyMissSmith SimonWhitehall LBNSEAD mberry

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LiamRCarr SurrealAnarchy HuntingEnglish inwte informed_edu

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LePrecis

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ethinking

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CharHarAgain ethinking

@CharHarAgain It is the centrality of one voice to be heard & to disseminate best practice/research effectively. #ukedchat . @informed_edu would other people involved in schools be excluded? Do we need associate members? #ukedchat RT @miconm: . @informed_edu would other people involved in schools be excluded? Do we need associate members? #ukedchat Teachers will be teaching alongside people of no training and NO experience entitled to the same money. More imp than a RCoT? #ukedchat @ColinGoffin @TeacherToolkit Agreed. Too many tyrants already #ukedchat @mberry @informed_edu @LePrecis I am a board member of CfSA, will take this on. #ukedchat @HeyMissSmith was never a requirement for the independent sector, although vast majority did. #ukedchat We have had the GTC, in FE we boycotted the IfL we shouldn't need a 'Royal College of Teaching' for our work to be valued #ukedchat @ethinking @CollegeofTeach was formed in 19thC @TeacherToolkit #ukedchat @ameeeb Of course, if the research presents sound evidence of best pedagogy en surely it would engage schools. #ukedchat #ukedchat We need to define the term #teacher for the purpose of #RCoT Q6 was asking about how the new body could work with the Subject Associations - what do you think? #UkEdChat @Soarpoints "royal college should not be a union" I agree. There'd still be an important role for unions. #UKEdChat #ukedchat @StuBillington society believe we are not worthy of responsibility - we did that to ourselves http://t.co/AnfXqDB14S @HuntingEnglish Agreed, but why isn't our cutting edge university research being disseminated effectively? They need 2b involved #ukedchat #ukedchat @SurrealAnarchy @collegeofteach now you

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ukedchat Archive 9th May 2013 Hosted by @informed_edu

A Royal College of Teaching

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SurrealAnarchy Simon_Warburton informed_edu CharHarAgain SurrealAnarchy

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informed_edu

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ethinking

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Simon_Warburton LearningSpy informed_edu

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andreacarr1 SimonWhitehall mberry

see..even @teachertoolkit can't do time travel @miconm @informed_edu ha! Yes... #ukedchat royal college of dinner ladies? #sexist? #ukedchat the point I'd like to make about a Royal College is that the control and oversight of education should be its remit..de-politicise RT @LearningSpy: @_FreeEducation @informed_edu To do whatever 'we' want it to be and do #ukedchat @LePrecis Agreed, I think there is some potential esp. as described by Shepherd but some iffy plans too. #ukedchat .@LePrecis @Soarpoints what would union role be? #ukedchat RT @MrWaldram: @CaptainGove: It appears I am being lampooned... #govetationals #bbc #mrmen #ukedchat http://t.co/k4KtrbC9O6 http://t.co/FPormzGgKd RT @hstevenson10: In a marketised world 'brand' triumphs over public service values. real threat to professionalism & freedom? #ukedchat #ukedchat School in Tiverton asks parents to delay birthday party due to SATs http://t.co/4AP0Vc8hdi" i mean - look at this. #howdareyou RT @debrakidd: @informed_edu #ukedchat I think the image of teachers in the minds of the public would feel different. There would be strong PR/media role. #ukedchat there is no point in a bigger union or a new GTC if education is at the whim of any Tom Dick or Harry lucky enough to be SoS @HeyMissSmith Maybe these goals could coincide? #ukedchat Not mutually exclusive. Surely. .@Simon_Warburton raises Q7 for me "What went wrong with the GTC, how do we avoid it and make this new body different?" #ukedchat @inwte which is probably why GTC wasn't popular with the profession! Was there to be a 'protector of public interest' #ukedchat @Simon_Warburton Lovely idea; take education out of the hands of politicians #ukedchat RT @ethinking: #ukedchat School in Tiverton asks parents to delay birthday party due to SATs http://t.co/4AP0Vc8hdi" i mean - look at this.

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AlisonMPeacock

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MissCranky

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LePrecis

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TeacherToolkit

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informed_edu

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ICTEvangelist

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JulesLilly

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ukedchat SurrealAnarchy informed_edu

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stewart_fi

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tstarkey1212

#howdareyou RT @debrakidd: @informed_edu #ukedchat I think the image of teachers in the minds of the public would feel different. There would be strong PR/media role. RT @Simon_Warburton: #ukedchat there is no point in a bigger union or a new GTC if education is at the whim of any Tom Dick or Harry lucky enough to be SoS @SurrealAnarchy: "what would union role be?" To support teachers regarding issues at work. #ukedchat @Soarpoints @ColinGoffin: Ignore the #DfE: Teachers are doing it for themselves! http://t.co/1hRpa4mOsY #ukedchat RT @HeyMissSmith: @_FreeEducation @informed_edu @Bedtonman @debrakidd @judeenright We don't need THIS change at THIS time. #ukedchat RT @Simon_Warburton: #ukedchat there is no point in a bigger union or a new GTC if education is at the whim of any Tom Dick or Harry lucky enough to be SoS RT @debrakidd: @informed_edu #ukedchat I think the image of teachers in the minds of the public would feel different. There would be strong PR/media role. RT @ethinking: #ukedchat I know @collegeofteach would be so much better if @TeacherToolkit was in charge - why didn't you think of it first? #UKedchat is currently discussing the proposed Royal College of Teaching for the 150th session. Come & join the discussion. 15mins left. What about a Royal College of MOOCS? #UkEdChat RT @ukedchat: #UKedchat is currently discussing the proposed Royal College of Teaching for the 150th session. Come & join the discussion. 15mins left. RT @ukedchat: #UKedchat is currently discussing the proposed Royal College of Teaching for the 150th session. Come & join the discussion. 15mins left. @debrakidd @informed_edu Realistically the body must be an effective mouthpiece in the media. Hard job of synthesising but crucial #ukedchat RT @Simon_Warburton: #ukedchat there is no point in a bigger union or a new GTC if education is at the whim of any Tom Dick or Harry lucky enough to be SoS

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EAnoukBec

@Simon_Warburton For me this is the point at the heart of this. How can we trust any plans for a rcot from Gove and co? #ukedchat @informed_edu @Simon_Warburton I think it was the GTCs lack power to change policy #ukedchat Rows or group tables in a classroom? #ukedchat #ukedchat If it was a union and we were all members we may have more say. Together we stand... Q7 again - "What went wrong with the GTC, how do we avoid it and make this new body different?" #ukedchat @TeacherToolkit: "Teachers are doing it for themselves!" In many ways I think they already are. Could bring it all together though #UKEdChat @informed_edu And might these relationships be different given the diversity of subject associations? #ukedchat RT @TeacherToolkit: #UkEdChat EVERY SINGLE TEACHER - grassroots pedagogy RT @Simon_Warburton: #ukedchat there is no point in a bigger union or a new GTC if education is at the whim of any Tom Dick or Harry lucky enough to be SoS #ukedchat I oppose @collegeofTeach - anything that makes us look vaguely professional is to be treated with the deepest suspicion .@LePrecis @Soarpoints would there ever be conflict between Unions & Royal College? #ukedchat RT @SurrealAnarchy: .@LePrecis @Soarpoints would there ever be conflict between Unions & Royal College? #ukedchat < Interesting question! @CharHarAgain I wholly agree universities should be involved; with EFF & other bodies too - synthesised by RcoT. #ukedchat @SurrealAnarchy: "would there ever be conflict between Unions & Royal College?" Percievably. #ukedchat @Soarpoints @SurrealAnarchy That's it! MOOCoT (massively open, online college of teaching). Problem solved. What's next? #ukedchat. #ukedchat I oppose any notion of @collegeofteach being for the elite. I am proud of being considered as incompetent as the next man/ess

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livelikeatticus

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Shanie_Nash informed_edu informed_edu miconm informed_edu CSc_teacher ColinGoffin

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EAnoukBec informed_edu with_ict Simon_Warburton

@ethinking @SurrealAnarchy @CollegeofTeach - I'm preparing my #Tardis now for 1st attempt back to C19th: http://t.co/Kqn3ODzbnV #ukedchat RT @ukedchat: #UKedchat is currently discussing the proposed Royal College of Teaching for the 150th session. Come & join the discussion. 15mins left. RT @GoldfishBowlMM: Some fantastic presenters have signed up to Teach Meet English on Sat 8th June: http://t.co/szGWquZgAu #ukedchat #ukedchat maybe it is my ignorance but I never understood what the GTC was for..actually, that is the GTC's fault for no clarity of purpose RT @LearningSpy: @HeyMissSmith Maybe these goals could coincide? #ukedchat Not mutually exclusive. Surely. RT @sidchip64: @informed_edu Wasn't it burned in the bonfire of the quangos? #ukedchat RT @Soarpoints: think inevitably would be & thats why one would need to have two: both cannot advocate & prosecute #ukedchat . @SurrealAnarchy surgeons, doctors, midwives, nurses. I'm feeling the hierarchy...@informed_edu #ukedchat RT @Soarpoints: @informed_edu @sidchip64 yes it was - & sadly so in my opinion #ukedchat #ukedchat If the #RCoT is non political and not another stick to beat us with then I could be interested @LePrecis @TeacherToolkit But as we've already seen tonight. Someone leads, someone decides membership, rules, regulations .. #ukedchat #ukedchat I oppose @collegeofteach because I don't want anyone to make me feel inadequate or like i need to improve @miconm @informed_edu Associate members in med RCs mean they've passed half their (specialty) exams. Not saying RCoT has to mirror #ukedchat Back to Q1 for a moment... Quick yes/no poll. Do you want a new member-led College of Teaching? #ukedchat 'not everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts' Einstein #edchat #ukedchat #ukedchat I'd like a Royal College to plot a path for

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StuBillington jlog2712 ColinGoffin SurrealAnarchy LeeDonaghy

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informed_edu LePrecis ethinking

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little_mavis SurrealAnarchy ethinking CharHarAgain StuBillington developingTandL informed_edu

education for 21stC, to maintain standards and restore public pride in teaching... Saddens me that it's "them" and "us". Tchrs & Govt are both public servants working for greater good. Should be working together. #ukedchat #ukedchat How about a RCofMPs with a bunch of teachers on the board? @LePrecis @TeacherToolkit at the moment we all approach this as equals with common aim if different approaches.Much more appealing #ukedchat #ukedchat Royal College would never be non political, it would be highly political RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat I'm in favour of a RCoT if it's run by people I like (or me). I'm against it if it's run by the usual idiots. Thank you. RT @SPFLearning: @SPFSchools: Follow our Principal @StephenPerse with her @GuardianEdu blog http://t.co/MM5wIFGBBP #UKedchat #SLTchat RT @SurrealAnarchy: #ukedchat Royal College would never be non political, it would be highly political < Agree? Well, fwiw, @ColinGoffin I think the profession is calling out for leadership it can believe in. #UKEdChat #ukedchat @Simon_Warburton you are right - it is your ignorance. We were all invited to vote for the executive. Received manifestos.. @SimonWhitehall: @informed_edu @Simon_Warburton #ukedchat I never felt the GTC was influencing pedagogy. Did you? Is there a likelihood that a RCT would lead to an "old boys network" effect with desirable posts going to those "in the know"? #ukedchat Ever thought who would be the suits on the board of the Royal College? #ukedchat #ukedchat @Simon_Warburton the GTC was what we made it by our indifference @informed_edu Maybe....but more no at this stage. #ukedchat Sad that the politicians use the public services to score points. Pathetic and irresponsible. #ukedchat @StuBillington Tell that to Gove & Govt!! #ukedchat RT @AlisonMPeacock: @informed_edu this body is

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truan_steve ethinking LePrecis MartindalePaul Nelkcarps

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debrakidd Reena_Dookhee

voluntary and has a strong role in advocacy for evidence informed practice #ukedchat @informed_edu #ukedchat I think it's all About how you deliver in a classroom. I don't need one. So no. @_FreeEducation @informed_edu @HeyMissSmith jaded? Im passionate bout teachin & want 2 focus on kids wellbeing not toothless body #ukedchat #ukedchat @Simon_Warburton no problem - you serve them up. I'll smash em over the net @SurrealAnarchy: "Ever thought who would be the suits on the board of the Royal College?" Needs to be run as a Mutual.Teacher run #UKEdChat Thanks to @nelkcarps and everyone at #ipaca-amazing people embarking on a special project! #ukedchat RT @MartindalePaul: Thanks to @nelkcarps and everyone at #ipaca-amazing people embarking on a special project! #ukedchat RT @CSc_teacher: [GTC] was forced upon us and was a regulatory body 32 a year was expensive for something we didn't ask for #ukedchat RT @ASTsupportAAli: @informed_edu #ukedchat I think it's all About how you deliver in a classroom. I don't need one. So no. #ukedchat @informed_edu It was forced upon us and was a regulatory body 32 a year was expensive for something we didn't ask for #ukedchat RT @HeyMissSmith: The teachers' pay and conditions document is being dismantled in September. More important than the RCoT? #ukedchat RT @Heatherleatt: the GTC was imposed and never had the support of teachers. Ill conceived and held in contempt #ukedchat @_FreeEducation @informed_edu @truan_steve @HeyMissSmith There are v. few jaded dismissives amongst the #ukedchat community. @SimonWhitehall @informed_edu @simon_warburton #ukedchat yes and it was foisted on us-bland and toothless. Felt very distant -London centric RT @TeacherToolkit: #UkEdChat

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A Royal College of Teaching

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LePrecis informed_edu simplem_ths ukedchat ClerktoGovernor TeacherToolkit informed_edu

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informed_edu

EVERY SINGLE TEACHER - grassroots pedagogy @ASTsupportAAli: Couldn't you do with some support occasionally, or offer support to someone else? #UKEdChat So far "Do you want an RCoT" straww poll: 2xYes, 5xNo - what do you think #ukedchat @informed_edu they are also of very little use. Nurses have similar theirs costs more. Its a stealth tax in my opinion #ukedchat RT @informed_edu: So far "Do you want an RCoT" straww poll: 2xYes, 5xNo - what do you think #ukedchat RT @informed_edu: Back to Q1 for a moment... Quick yes/no poll. Do you want a new member-led College of Teaching? #ukedchat @ColinGoffin @LePrecis = so what's the solution/alternative? #ukedchat RT @IncSolutionsLtd: no - the money required to set it up, run it and then inevitably close it down should be spent on students #ukedchat @LePrecis: @ColinGoffin profession is calling out for leadership it can believe in. #UKEdChat or at least knows what its talking about! RT @ukedchat: #UKedchat is currently discussing the proposed Royal College of Teaching for the 150th session. Come & join the discussion. 15mins left. @HeyMissSmith @learningspy #ukedchat when it's backed by Mr G be opportunistic. @LePrecis can do. That's what my SMT are for. Or my LEA or even twitter is. I support others im an AST #ukedchat Yes @informed_edu #ukedchat @LePrecis You think we could find one we would all agree on? You'd never get me in same club as others here but we all share! #ukedchat @informed_edu If it can be supportive of professional Dev in a constructive practical manner - yes #ukedchat RT @alibrarylady: What is the point of an all through school? http://t.co/m6R9NUgUpn Primary & Secondary working together #ukedchat "Do you want a member-led College of teaching"? Straw poll so far: 3 x Yes, 9 x No... - what do you think? #UkEdChat

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A Royal College of Teaching

20:55:49

IncSolutionsLtd

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StuBillington jlog2712 JulesLilly

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informed_edu

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LePrecis LearningSpy technologytotea informed_edu ICTmagic

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Puffles2010

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developingTandL LearningSpy LJDilks

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informed_edu StephenLev LePrecis

RT @ASTsupportAAli: @informed_edu #ukedchat I think it's all About how you deliver in a classroom. I don't need one. So no. @informed_edu Agreed. No -- no justification for cost...or extra bureaucracy. #ukedchat #ukedchat yes RT @ICTEvangelist: @LePrecis: @ColinGoffin profession is calling out for leadership it can believe in. #UKEdChat or at least knows what its talking about! Last 5 minutes! #UkEdChat Keep straww poll answers coming - "Do you personally want a member-led college of teaching"? Thing about education, @ColinGoffin, is that it's a big tent, in every way. We all want to do the best for the students though. #UKEdChat @_FreeEducation @informed_edu That sounds right. #ukedchat Your school loves singing? Try this http://t.co/2FPnBQNZ0O linking voices of young children around the world #edchat #elearning #ukedchat FWIW, I'm saying "Yes" on the poll... #UkEdChat A college of Teachers would be middle (wo)men. Any appointed body *can* be an excuse to not listening to the majority of teachers. #ukedchat RT @ukedchat: #UKedchat is currently discussing the proposed Royal College of Teaching for the 150th session. Come & join the discussion. 15mins left. @TeacherToolkit @ColinGoffin @LePrecis Answer = dont have 1 - TMs sharing gd practice& development - leave strutting officials #ukedchat @HeyMissSmith @debrakidd Might be great. Might not. Better to be in than out though #ukedchat RT @Primary_Ed: To prove how many teachers use twitter, RETWEET IF YOU ARE A TEACHER! #ukedchat #poweroftwitter Flurry of polling coming in to "Do you personally want a member-led college of teaching"? - currenly 6 x Yes, 11 x No - You? #UkEdChat RT @ethinking: #ukedchat @Simon_Warburton the GTC was what we made it by our indifference @ASTsupportAAli "GTC done nothing for me." Really? It

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K0NSTANT1N3 ColinGoffin

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edssential jlog2712 jlog2712

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IncSolutionsLtd

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informed_edu LePrecis StuBillington

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technologytotea

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took 32 out of my account every year! ;) #UKEdChat RT @CaptainGove: What's all this #tmlondon Nonsense? Why are teachers chatting and not working? #ukedchat @LePrecis Absolutely but even the shape of the discussion tonight seems to suggest that wouldn't be at forefront #ukedchat Essential article from @LearningSpy Is #SOLO taxonomy a waste of time? http://t.co/RODTOoTbVw #solotaxonomy #ukedchat #edchat #ukedchat Thanks for hosting RT @LJDilks RT @Primary_Ed: To prove how many teachers use twitter, RETWEET IF YOU ARE A TEACHER! #ukedchat #poweroftwitter It is simple for me, the government needs to create a society which values education which would then allow schools to flourish! #UkEdChat Thank you to everyone involved in tonight's #UkEdChat: lots of different views. Read more here and send me your blogs http://t.co/K1O0X2tDFh Thanks for hosting @informed_edu #UKEdChat My "for beginners" blog post to encourage more teachers to use Twitter. Share if of use to you! #ukedchat http://t.co/yBhnuswcHd If you enjoy philosophy for children then this site is for you http://t.co/zaKwEcqHrN regular emails with questions #edchat #ukedchat Final tally on the "Do you personally want a member-led college of teaching" straw poll: 6 x Yes, 12 x No. #UkEdChat It's 9pm. Huge thanks to @informed_edu for hosting tonights #ukedchat. The archive will be at http://t.co/Bk8kIAXMLq soon.

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