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Product Comparison
March 2002

Cat 385B and Hitachi EX800H-V Hydraulic Excavators

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Table of Contents

Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 Competition . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 EX800H-V Overview . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 Productivity . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 Production Study . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 Truck Loading . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 Durability . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 Track Frame . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 Carbody. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 Swingframe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 Versatility . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 Vehicle Configurations. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 Auxiliary Hydraulics . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11 Ease of Operation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12 Monitor . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12 Cab Accessories . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13 Serviceability . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14 Service from Upper Deck . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14 Hydraulic System . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 Hydraulic System . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16 Engine Access. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17 Fuel System . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18 Cooling Units . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19 Technical Specifications . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20

Introduction

The new Caterpillar 385B and 385B L hydraulic excavators are direct replacements for the Cat 375 and 375L. They feature increased engine power and state-of-the-art Cat electronic technologies for improved performance. The 385B and 385B L incorporate the Vital Information Display System (VIDS), a user-friendly interface for man-machine communication via a language display monitor and the electronic power management control, which includes Advanced Diesel Engine Module (ADEM II). This bulletin compares the features, benefits and specifications of the Cat 385B and 385B L to the Hitachi EX800H-V. These updated Cat models set a new standard of excellence and significantly increase our advantages over the competition in the following areas: productivity, durability, versatility, ease of operation and serviceability.

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Competition

EX800H-V Overview
The Hitachi EX800H-V is a heavy-duty version of the EX750-V. The EX750-V and John Deere JD750 are sister models. The EX800H-V has the following advantages over the EX750-V and JD750: Operator Station - A square cab is used instead of a rounded cab. A head guard is mounted on the roof of the cab. Boom - Thicker plates are used for the boom. Stick - Thicker plates are used for the stick with a wear plate welded under the nose of the stick to prevent denting from rocks. Bottom guards - Heavy-duty bottom guards are used.

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Productivity

Boom Stick Bucket Capacity Bucket Tip Radius Bucket Width Work Mode Service Hours Undercarriage Shoe Width

m (ft in) m (ft in) m3 (yd3) mm (in) mm (in)

mm (in)

385B 8.4 (27'7") 3.7 (17'2") 3.5 (4.58) 2150 (84.6") 1940 (76.4") Standard 67 STD 750 (30)

EX800H-V 8.26 (27'1") 3.6 (11'10") 3.3 (4.32) 2180 (85.8") 1510 (59.4") S/P mode 3531 STD 650 (25)

Production Study
Caterpillar conducted a production study with the Cat 385B and Hitachi EX800H-V on a quarry job site. The configurations of the machines are shown in the table above. Overburden was used for the study with a material density estimated at 1.8 ton/m3 (3000 lb/yd3). The Cat 385B was equipped with a 3.5m3 (4.58 yd3) bucket, and the EX800H-V was equipped with a 3.3 m3 (4.32 yd3) bucket, which has about 6 percent smaller capacity than the 385B bucket. The cycle time was measured using a portable computer. Fuel consumption was measured using a portable fuel tank. Fuel consumed was measured by weight and then converted to volume. The fuel density was dependent on the ambient temperature; therefore, fuel density and temperature were measured frequently.

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Productivity

Bench Loading Productivity

Unit Metric ton/hr (US ton/hr) L/hr (gal/hr) Metric ton/L (US ton/gal) sec sec sec sec sec 3 m (yd3) %

Productivity Index Fuel Consumption Fuel Efficiency

Average Cycle Times Load Time Swing Loaded Time Dump Time Swing Empty Time Bucket Capacity Bucket Fill Factor

385B 2354.7 (2595) 100 78.3 (20.69) 30.1 (125.4) 17.12 6.99 3.89 2.26 3.98 3.5 (4.58) 178

EX800H-V 2072.5 (2284) 88 75.2 (19.87) 27.8 (114.9) 17.45 7.34 3.89 2.31 3.91 3.3 (4.32) 169

Truck Loading
A 150-metric ton capacity truck scale was used to weigh the 773B OffHighway Truck, which was loaded by the excavators during the test. The bench height was 4 meters (13 ft.) with the truck set below the bench. The 385B and the EX800H-V loaded the materials in a 90-degree swing application. The results are summarized in the table above. The 385B demonstrated 13.6 percent more productivity than the EX800H-V, resulting from faster cycle times and a larger bucket fill factor. The fuel consumption for the EX800H-V was about 8 percent less than the 385B; however, the fuel efficiency for the 385B was 8 percent better than the Hitachi excavator due to the Cat machines higher productivity.

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Durability

Cat 385B Track Frame a) The track frame is made of 18 mm (0.71 in.) thick steel plate. b) The dimensions of the track frame are 475 mm (18.7 in.) high and 670 mm (26.4 in.) wide. c) The track frame is made with a box-type construction, providing more rigidity for bending and torsional stress than the U channel construction. d) Track frame uses the same type of construction as that used on Cat 365B L.

Hitachi EX800H-V Track Frame a) The track frame is made of 14 mm (0.55 in.) thick steel plate. b) The dimensions of the track frame are 465 mm (18.3 in.) high and 660 mm (26 in.) wide. c) The track frame is made with U channel construction. 115-mm (4.53 in.) wide steel plates are welded to the edges of the U channel. d) Track frame type is the same as that used on the Caterpillar 300 Family mid-size class hydraulic excavators.

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Cat 385B Carbody a) The vertical plate on the carbody is made of 50.2 mm (1.98 in.) thick plate for the center portion and 45.2 mm (1.78 in.) thick plates for the leg portions. b) The height of the carbody is 457 mm (17.99 in.). c) The swing bearing is directly mounted on the carbody. This construction allows for smoother transfer of loads from the front linkage to the track roller frame. d) The swing bearing is a cross roller bearing type. The cross roller bearing has more strength and less pitching of upper structure than the ball bearing type because of wider contact area.

Hitachi EX800H-V Carbody a) The vertical plate on the carbody is made of 40.2 mm (1.58 in.) thick plate for the center portion and 45 mm (1.77 in.) thick plates for the leg portions. b) The height of the carbody is 420 mm (16.54 in.). c) The swing bearing is mounted on the carbody via a swing bearing support column, which is the same design as that used on the Caterpillar 300 Family mid-size class hydraulic excavators. d) The swing bearing is a ball bearing type.

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Cat 385B Swingframe a) The main rails are constructed using box-type dual vertical plates. b) The lower edges of the main rails are directly welded to the swing table. c) The skirt height is 295 mm (11.61 in.) with box construction. This provides more rigidity than the C channel used on the EX800H-V.

Hitachi EX800H-V Swingframe a) The main rails are made from single vertical plates. Flanges are mounted to the top of the main rails. b) The lower edge of the main rails is directly mounted to the swing table. This construction is the same as that used on the Caterpillar 300 Family mid-size class hydraulic excavators. c) The skirt height is 195 mm (7.68 in.) with C channel construction.

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Versatility

Undercarriage Boom Length

STD U/C Long U/C Long boom GP boom Mass boom

385B 5840 mm (19'2") 6360 mm (20'10") 10 m (32'10") 8.4 m (27'7") 7.25 m (23'9")

Undercarriage Boom Length

Long boom GP boom Mass boom

EX800H-V JD750 6350 mm (20'10") 6350 mm (20'10") Not Available Not Available 8.25 m (27'1") 8.25 m (27'1") 7.1 m (23'4") 7.1 m (23'4")

Cat 385B Vehicle Configurations a) Two undercarriage options are available for the 385B to meet a wide variety of underfoot conditions. b) The 385B provides three booms, which are 10 meters (32 ft. 10 in.), 8.4 meters (27 feet 7 in.), and 7.25 meters (23 ft. 9 in.) in length. The 10-meter long boom has the capability to dig about 11.8 meters (38 ft. 5 in.) in depth with a 5.5-meter (18 ft. 1 in.) stick.

Hitachi EX800H-V Vehicle Configurations a) No undercarriage options are available on the EX800H-V, EX750-V, or JD750. b) Two booms are available for the EX800H-V, EX750-V and JD750, but no provision is made for the reach boom for deep trenching. Booms are 8.25 meters (27 ft. 1 in.) in length and 7.1 meters (23 ft. 4 in.) in length. Maximum digging depth is 10.6 meeters (34 ft. 8 in.) with a 5.4 meter (17 ft. 9 in.) stick.

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Cat 385B Auxiliary Hydraulics a) An auxiliary pump mount is provided on the pump housing. b) A flow control function is included in the controller. The operator can select one of four preset hydraulic oil flow rates using the control monitor.

Hitachi EX800H-V Auxiliary Hydraulics a) The EX800H-V has no provision for an auxiliary pump on the main pump housing. b) The EX800H-V does not have a hydraulic oil flow control for use with hydraulic work tools.

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Ease of Operation

Cat 385B Monitor a) Monitor provides four gauges and language display message center. b) The message center has the capability to show machine conditions in different languages via a user-friendly operator interface. c) Operator can identify more than 300 types of machine conditions through the message center. d) Monitor has the capability to perform diagnostics when abnormal conditions occur.

Hitachi EX800H-V Monitor a) Provides two gauges and twelve icons. b) No capability to show machine conditions in different languages. c) Operator can identify 12 diffrent machine conditions. d) Impossible to perform diagnostics through the monitor when abnormal conditions occur.

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Ease of Operation

Cat 385B Cab Accessories a) Includes a cup holder. b) Control pattern can easily be changed through Vital Information Display System (VIDS). c) Existing control lever pattern displayed on the VIDS to prevent improper operation.

Hitachi EX800H-V Cab Accessories a) No cup holder. b) Difficult to change the control lever pattern. To make a pattern change, the pilot hoses must be switched. c) Does not display current control lever pattern.

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Serviceability

Cat 385B Service from Upper Deck a) Service platform makes servicing easier. b) Most service points for upper structure are located close to the service platform. c) Punched star plates are used as anti-skid surface on the catwalk and service platform. d) Catwalks are provided on both sides of upper structure.

Hitachi EX800H-V Service from Upper Deck a) No service platform provided. b) Most service points are located below the upper deck forcing the operator to squat down to perform service, increasing operator fatigue. c) Sand paper is used for anti-skid surface, which is less effective than punched star plates. d) A catwalk is provided on the left side of the upper structure, but no provision is made for the right side.

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Cat 385B Hydraulic System a) Capsule filters are used for the hydraulic return filter. The capsule filters prevent foreign matter from entering the system during filter changes. The capsule filters also prevent oil spillage during filter changes. b) Capsule filter change interval is 1,000 hours. c) Warning information displays on the monitor when capsule filters are plugged. d) Motor drain filter provided.

Hitachi EX800H-V Hydraulic System a) Return filter is located in the hydraulic tank, which increases the risk of contamination by foreign matter during filter changes. b) Change interval for the return filter is 500 hours. c) No warning device on the return filter indicating plugged condition. d) No motor drain filter.

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Serviceability

Cat 385B Hydraulic System a) Pressure taps provided for ease of service and diagnostics. b) The Cat Electronic Technician (Cat ET) connectors are provided in the engine compartment and behind the cab.

Hitachi EX800H-V Hydraulic System a) There are no provisions for pressure taps on the hydraulic system and hydraulic components. To perform necessary system pressure measurements, the hydraulic hoses must be disconnected and pressure taps installed. b) No Electronic computer connectors available.

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Serviceability

Cat 385B Engine Access a) The engine hood is easy to open, and side access doors are also provided. b) All maintenance points can be accessed from the service platform or from under the engine. Maintenance is easy to perform from a comfortable position from the service platform. c) The Dipstick is located between the engine and the platform with very easy access from the service platform. d) The turbocharger is covered to protect the operator from contact while performing maintenance on the machine.

Hitachi EX800H-V Engine Access a) The engine hood is heavy and difficult to open. b) All maintenance points except the engine oil refill cap are located under the upper deck. c) The dipstick is located toward the counterweight side of the engine, but other maintenance points are accessed from the opposite side and under the engine. d) The uncovered turbocharger is located on the opposite side of the machine from daily maintenance points.

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Serviceability

Cat 385B Fuel System a) Dual fuel filters are provided. b) The water separator/primary filter is independent from secondary filters. c) The change interval for the fuel filters is every 500 hours. d) Large capacity priming pump is located close to the service platform for easy operation when priming.

Hitachi EX800H-V Fuel System a) Dual fuel filters are provided. b) A water separator is incorporated into each fuel filter. To drain water from the fuel system, the screw under the fuel filter must be removed. c) The fuel filter requires replacement every 250 hours. d) No priming pump.

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Cat 385B Cooling Units a) Radiator and oil cooler layout is side-by-side, providing easy access for cleaning cooling cores. b) Variable speed fans are provided on the 385B cooling units for added efficiency.

Hitachi EX800H-V Cooling Units a) Radiator and oil cooler layout is back-to-back, making cooling cores difficult to clean. b) The cooling fan is directly connected to the engine via V-belts and runs at a fixed speed wasting power when ambient conditions are cool.

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Technical Specifications
Engine
Engine Model Net Flywheel Power kW (hp) ISO 9249 kW (hp) SAE J1349 kW (hp) EEC 80/1269 kW (hp) Bore mm (in) Stroke mm (in) Displacement L (in3)

Cat 385B
Caterpillar 3456 ATAAC 382 (513) 382 (513) 382 (513) 382 (513) 140 (5.51) 171 (6.73) 15.8 (964)

Hitachi EX800H-V
Cummins N14CAT 324 (434) 324 (434) 140 (5.51) 152 (5.98) 14 (854)

Weights
Operating Weight - Standard Undercarriage kg (lb) Operating Weight - Long Undercarriage kg (lb)

Cat 385B
82 900 (182,700) 84 600 (186,600)

Hitachi EX800H-V
77 000 (169,800)

Track
Standard w/Standard Length Undercarriage mm (in) Standard w/Long Undercarriage mm (in) Optional for Standard Length Undercarriage mm (in) Optional for Long Undercarriage mm (in) Optional for Long Undercarriage mm (in) Number of Shoes Each Side - Standard Undercarriage Number of Shoes Each Side - Long Undercarriage Number of Track Rollers Each Side - Standard Undercarriage Number of Track Rollers Each Side - Long Undercarriage Number of Carrier Rollers Each Side

Cat 385B
750 (30) 750 (30) 650 (26) 900 (36) 650 (26) 47 51 8 9 3

Hitachi EX800H-V
900 (35) 750 (30) 650 (26) 51 9 3

Swing Mechanism
Swing Speed RPM Swing Torque kN.m (lb ft)

Cat 385B
6.2 260 (191,770)

Hitachi EX800H-V
8.6 232.2 (171,300)

Drive
Maximum Travel Speed kph (mph)

Cat 385B
4.5 (2.8)

Hitachi EX800H-V
4.6 (2.9)

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Technical Specifications
Drive
Maximum Drawbar Pull - Standard Undercarriage kN (lb) Maximum Drawbar Pull - Long Undercarriage kN (lb)

Cat 385B
592 (133,030) 591 (132,810)

Hitachi EX800H-V
491 (110,300)

Hydraulic System
Main System - Maximum Flow (Total) L/min (gal/min) Swing System - Maximum Flow L/min (gal/min) Maximum Pressure - Equipment - Normal kPa (psi) Maximum Pressure - Equipment - Heavy Lift kPa (psi) Maximum Pressure - Travel kPa (psi) Maximum Pressure - Swing kPa (psi) Pilot System - Maximum flow L/min (gal/min) Pilot System- Maximum pressure kPa (psi) Boom Cylinder - Bore mm (in) Boom Cylinder - Stroke mm (in) Stick Cylinder - Bore mm (in) Stick Cylinder - Stroke mm (in) HB Family Bucket Cylinder - Bore mm (in) HB Family Bucket Cylinder - Stroke mm (in) JB Family Bucket Cylinder - Bore mm (in) JB Family Bucket Cylinder - Stroke mm (in)

Cat 385B
980 (258) 450 (119) 32 000 (4,640) 35 000 (5,075) 35 000 (5,075) 26 000 (3,770) 90 (23.8) 4100 (595) 210 (8.26) 1967 (77.4) 220 (8.66) 2262 (89.1) 200 (7.87) 1451 (57.1) 220 (8.66) 1586 (62.4)

Hitachi EX800H-V
980 (258) 0 (0) 30 900 (4,480) 31 850 (4,620) 28 410 (4,120) 30 (8) 3900 (570) 200 (7.87) 1795 (70.67) 215 (8.46) 2175 (85.63) 190 (7.48) 1555 (61.22)

Service Refill Capacities

Fuel Tank Capacity L (gal) Cooling System L (gal) Engine Oil L (gal) Swing Drive (each) L (gal) Final Drive (each) L (gal) Hydraulic System (including tank) L (gal) Hydraulic Tank L (gal)

Cat 385B
1240 (328) 101 (26.7) 80 (21.1) 19 (5) 21 (5.5) 995 (263) 810 (214)

Hitachi EX800H-V
828 (218.8) 87 (23) 44 (11.6) 15 (4) 21 (5.6) 660 (174.4) 340 (89.8)

Sound Performance
Performance

Cat 385B
ANSI/SAE J1166 OCT 98

Hitachi EX800H-V

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Technical Specifications
Standards
Brakes Cab/FOGS

Cat 385B
SAE J1026 APR 90 SAE J1356 FEB 88 ISO 10262

Hitachi EX800H-V

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Notes

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