The Adjustment Bureau Movie

The Adjustment Bureau Movie (Explained) The Basic Plot- The Adjustment Bureau
In this movie, aspiring politician David Norris meets a beautiful woman. The womans down-to-earth attitude inspires him and revives his just-lost campaign to make him the favorite for the next election year.
However, the agent from the Adjustment Bureau who is supposed to delay him on a critical morning falls asleep sitting on a park bench. His job, had he been awake, was to cause coffee to spill on Norris shirt. When Mitchell fails, a double-whammy results. First, Mitchell arrives on time to his office. There, he interrupts the Bureaus agents altering the decision mechanism in a leading partners mind. This will influence the partner to change his negative position and recommend investing in new solar technology. This technology is important to the world development plans of the Adjustment Bureau. Second, Norris by chance meets Elise on the bus.
Norris was never supposed to see Elise again. The agents do not want David and Elise to be together. They cannot explain why. However, it is important to them to block this relationship.
One of these men, the only black-skinned member of their lot, decides to help Norris. A meeting is arranged aboard a ferry boat. Here, Mitchell (note the last four letters of his name) explains who they are. Norris asks, Are you angels? Mitchell responds cryptically, Some call us that. Further, Mitchell says all members of the Bureau are exceedingly long lived. He also says that water blocks the powers of the Bureau members to know what is happening. Both these data points are teachings that sorcerers and New Age witches use to define demons. Carlos Castaneda was an anthropologist who studied with a Mexican Nagual, a man of knowledge, also called a sorcerer. In Spanish, these men were called brujos. They referred to demons as being very long lived. They did not use the word immortal, as a Christian would use in reference to angels and to fallen angels as well.
See all 3 photos Mitchell tells David, "Some call us that" when asked if Bureau agents are "angels". Source: legalonlinemovies.com Who are the Bureau Agents, Really?
On the ferry, Mitchell also tells Norris that the Bureau is run by the Chairman. Norris asks who the chairman is. To this, Mitchell says, You have many names for him. Evading the mention of his name is a trait attributed to the devil in European folk lore. The God of Abraham, contrarily, has many titles, but just one name: Jehovah. A popular New Age teaching, which says there is one god, with many names, actually refers to Satan, not to Jehovah. The Chairman, in this movie, is a name for Satan. Mitchell and the others are demons, not angels.
The second major conversation between Norris and one of the agents supports this point. Thompson, a higher level demon, talks to Norris tempting him with power, success, fame and authority. At the same time, Thompson leads him away from Elise, away from love. This is a tool of devils. They offer riches, but do not want any person, anywhere, to have love, peace, freedom, hope, or faith. In this conversation, as we later learn in the second major conversation with Mitchell, Thompson lies to Norris. Angels do not lie. Like to Watch Movies?
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In a second meeting, Mitchell tells Norris that was us in reference to the deaths of his father and brother when he was young. Mitchell says the Bureau wants Norris to be empty inside and that this will drive him to succeed. Of course, devils want the space in the heart of men reserved for the Holy Spirit to remain empty. Additionally, assassination is not a tool of the Kingdom of God.
To enter the realm of the Bureau, one must turn to the left. The left hand path is the term New Agers and Buddhists use to refer to the path of evil and darkness. A person must wear one of the special hats Bureau men wear (Cuban style fedoras), and turn the knob to the left in order to enter the realm of administration offices of the Adjustment Bureau. Those seeking God are told to walk the straight path, turning neither to the left or to the right. Men are told to keep their heads uncovered to meet with God (1 Cor 11:7).
At the end of the movie, David and Elise are trapped by Bureau agents on a rooftop. All the exits are blocked. Further, they previously ran out one of the doors, down the stairs, and back onto the same roof top in a kind of Escher reality. There is no escape for them. With no escape, each professes love for the other and they kiss passionately. Elise opens her eyes and sees the Bureau men are gone. This is further evidence that the Bureau are agents of darkness. They have been defeated by love.
Bureau Agents and Fedoras
See all 3 photos Scripture says it is an affront to God for a man to cover his head while praying. Agents always wear their hats, even when they speak to the Chairman. Would angels do that? Bureau Agents Share Traits with Demons
Another, more subtle, message comes to you in this movie: These largely unseen men serve to help you. Thompson, who we already know lied, told Norris that the Dark Ages happened because the Bureau adopted a hands off approach. Is that another prevarication? Likewise, World War I and World War II resulted from the free will and self-governance of men, Thompson declares. Is that true, or is it the Father of Lies at work?
Another popular cover story of devils is to say they are aliens from another planet. A few decades ago, they hailed from Mars and Venus. Today, we can see Mars and Venus. Instead, they now come from distant galaxies like Orion and the Pleiades. A shifting story like this betrays a lie. One of the burdens of liars is maintenance of a story. The Bureau agents share a trait with demons: a shifting story belies a con.
The story Thompson tells of the demons helping mankind is one many New Agers fully believe today. They believe that a war with a group of bad aliens, like Thompson, is coming. They also believe that a group of good aliens like Mitchell, will aid earthlings to victory. Another movie playing at the theater concurrent with this flick is I am Number Four. The movie I am Number Four also depicts the notion of bad aliens being overcome by good aliens. This story of bad aliens and good aliens is incorporated into many childrens cartoons and childrens movies. Likewise, you will see the notion of time-space doorways in these movies. The other idea prevalent in these bad alien-good alien movies is that the
good aliens remain and set up a New World Order. In other words, movies are being used to format your thought so that you will be much more likely, almost guaranteed, to interpret planned events the way darkness wants you to- believing demons are angels!
At one point, the Bureau agents discuss the real reason David and Elise continually run into each other by "chance." This is because, in the original story, and in many versions thereafter, they say, David and Elise were supposed to be together. However, in the version written by the Chairman (Satan), these two were not supposed to be together. Who wrote the original plan? God did. God has a plan for my life, your life, and the life of everyone else, too. The devil has a different plan. God gave us free will. If we choose wisely, we choose God's plan- and find love as David and Elise did. Devils (Bureau agents) will attempt to ruin that plan. They will offer you a trade: success in exchange for love. The devils killed David Norris' father and brother before the movie begins. In the movie, they crash a car to block David from pursuing Elise. That is really how it happens. If you don't know how to pray, how to bind and break the works of the enemy, you need to learn. Look in the last section of this article for resources.
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viewer 17 months ago
Very well writter and backedup by historical facts .
Man from Modesto 17 months ago from Modesto, California Hub Author
Thank you, viewer.
Reader 17 months ago
It's been confirmed by George Nolfi (the director) that the chairman is God and the agents are angels. Sometimes people read too deep into a movie that isn't meant to be ambiguous. Nice points though ^^
Reader, I don't doubt that the director may have made this statement. However, this interpretation does not make much sense. God wants Elise to marry the choreographer, Adrienne, whom she does not love?
God has a major emphasis on love:
1 Corinthians 13:1 "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not love, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. "
Proverbs 15:17 "Better [is] a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith."
Love is important to God. Scripture also says that those without love will not enter Heaven on Judgment Day. Whoever does not have love does not know God. God is love. God would not prevent men from attaining love.
God has always had one plan. He does not need re-writes. God can see the end from the beginning. He knows all things. On the other hand, not even Jesus, and certainly not the demons, know the "day nor the hour" of important events such as the return of Christ.
It is Satan and demons who must adjust their plan. God has no plan B. God's main plan works perfectly. Life is a good, good place for those who do what they are supposed to do.
"Submit to God and resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)
I think I have a good argument here against the interpretation offered by George Nolfi. I am interested to hear any counter points.
Reader,
I did some more searching. Nolfi based the movie upon a novel by Philip K. Dick. The book is based on moments of near insanity when Dick thought he was possessed by the spirit of Elijah. Dick also doubted that reality is "real". Dick believed in some higher being communicating with him. This being he called "Zebra", "God", and also "VALIS."
If, in fact, the Chairman in the Adjustment Bureau is "Zebra-VALIS-god", we can be sure he is Satan, and his "angels", as some call them (mistakenly) are fallen angels, a.k.a. demons.
another viewer 17 months ago
Compelling but Satan wouldn't re-write the plan to accomodate love. As Mitchell says, it's all a test and one day you will write your own plan.
One more thing, the way this story was worked into film is makes the exact same point as the movie, "Legion" made last year.
another viewer: I did not see Legion. I suppose now I will. Satan had not say in what David and Elise accomplished. Satan never wants any person to find love. He works hard to condemn people, thwart
their right plans, and instead directs them to objectives. Pursuing great accomplishments, or any other thing outside God's will is a waste of life.
The Chairman only pretends to "allow" them to be together. The truth is, God said, "Let no man break what God has put together."
War and conflict between the forces of the Kingdom of God and the forces of darkness are conducted according to very legalistic rules. When there is "cheating", the enemy must pay a penalty. Notice in the movie that they had to receive special permission to alter things, or otherwise create "ripples." The ripples can alter the plan, yes. Additionally, Satan must gain permission to do what he does, and cannot exceed those permissions.
For example, in the book of Job, Satan goes to God to receive permission to test Job. After Peter denied Jesus three times, Satan went to Jesus and requested permission to "sift" Peter like wheat. Jesus denied the request. In Revelation, we see that Satan will be given permission even to persecute the saints.
Satan must operate within the bounds dictated to him. God is not bound by any word but His own.
Said another way: Satan must alter his plans when God's rules override his intentions. God holds supreme authority over all things and is not required to adjust for anyone.
Somebody 17 months ago
I do believe you have gone a bit overboard here. Also, david is told that his family passing was not the bureaus doing, and that it was chance
Ethan 16 months ago
I saw it from a completely different light. That being, that the "Chairman" was not Satan, but rather, God. He had specific plans for those people, and in the beginning he had paired the two (David and
Elise) together. They met by chance, and chance kept putting them back together. The Bureau saw this fact as well, but did not have the understanding that David did, in that, they only had orders to follow. At the end, you find that the whole thing, was a test from "The Chairman" to teach as Mitchell points out, "Maybe the plan is for you to write the plan, instead of us writing it for you..." telling that yes, God did give man free-will, and that free-will is inhibited by many things, guilt, religion, pride, jealousy, all sorts of things. It was as though "The Chairman" said, at the end, "David, Elise, you were willing to die (basically) for what you loved, that being one another, willing to sacrifice everything just to be with one another, so, I will rewrite this plan..."
To me anyway, it had nothing to do with angels or demons, but rather reality, in that there are forces at work that guide us to our destinies, that destiny, however, is changed by our choices because of the fact that we do have a "free-will". "The Chairman" was standoffish throughout the whole thing, leaving the Bureau with the plan they were trying to cause happen.
Neither "path" was evil persay, but rather a choice that David and Elise had to make. They could each go their own way, and be fulfilled in their own personal life dreams alone, without each other, thus still having a pain of not having one another. OR they could choose to be together, and be fulfilled in their shared dream of a love relationship, however, they would have to give up their life dream.
Both choices involved sacrifice of important desires they both had. Both choices would be beneficial to others, and themselves.
I gathered this from the fact that in the bible, the "great men of god" so to speak, were called upon to give up much of their own personal wants and desires in order to fulfill a God given task, or destiny, for the greater good of humanity. To me, the Bureau's work was to see to it that the plan for David, and Elise, happened with no entanglements. Ergo, the idea of them being angels, to which they basically said, not that they were angels or possibly demons, but that David was being simple-minded when making that statement in the form of a question. Mitchell basically said, "You're looking at this in the wrong light...."
This is mirrored in the bible numerous times. The prophets of God were called to preach a message, thus severing nearly all ties to peaceable interaction amongst their fellow humans. Isolation. Paul chose to not be involved in any relationships, for the path for his life did not call for such a thing. Jesus spoke on this concept of giving up love relationships for the sake of a larger plan in Matthew 19, wherein he was asked by his disciples, "If the relationship of a man and wifeis like this, it is better not to marry."
To which he replied,
"Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it."
And, basically, that whole premise is all throughout the bible, wherein God calls upon men, basically, to deny their own desires and wants, in order to fulfill a greater plan.
That's what I saw happening throughout the movie. Thompson went so far as to tell David, "Look, this is where you are headed. That will not happen if you are with her. The choice is yours, help yourself, or help humanity.... which is the more noble of the two?"
David decided he would rather give up his lifelong dream in order to be with Elise.
Thompson informed him, "That's fine as well, but can you live with killing her lifelong dreams as well?"
Herein, David is a man with much information as to how things work. He has the choice to make, selfishly take this woman as his, thus killing his and her dreams, all without her foreknowledge, or give her up.
In the end, he makes his choice, but he explains to her what's going on and why he ran away.
Again, Mitchell states at the end of the movie, "Maybe the plan is for you to write the plan...." stating that The Chairman was testing even the Bureau, to see if they would get the message that when man makes a choice for himself, because he knows what he wants, and isn't confused anymore, and is willing to give up everything for what he wants, to simply give it to him and to stop interfering, because that man has freewill.
David and Elise were free from that point on to have the power of knowing that they indeed had freewill and could get whatever they were willing to fight for, be it love, or whatever....
Are you getting my point?
I don't understand why people see the need to "demonize" everything without truly looking at it.
Somebody, Mitchell tells David Norris that his father and brother were killed by the Bureau to create the "empty" feeling inside him so that the emptiness would drive him to seek satisfaction- by seeking public office. Regarding the death of David's mother later, Mitchell credits her death to chance, "That wasn't us."
So, the Adjustment Bureau does kill two of the four family members. "Chance" took the mother, and David remained.
Ethan,
Phillip Dick was taking pharmaceuticals. When a woman delivered a pizza to his house, he looked at a charm she wore, and began hallucinating. In those hallucinations (likely a demonic attack), he came to know "Zebra" also known as Vallon, also called by Dick, "god."
Phillip Dick believed it was god. Nolfi said the Chairman is based on Dick's character in the book: Dick's concept based on his hallucination-experience Zebra-Vallon-god.
People can read your post and read my posts, and decide for themselves who Dick's Chairman really is.
Ethan 16 months ago
Indeed, they can, and should. I believe you're missing my point entirely though, and seemingly on purpose.
Regardless of what one names God as, or how he is portrayed, He is simply who He is.... As he said to Moses. He did not give himself a name. He refrained from such a thing, finding it completely and utterly pointless. His name was not important. Letters put together to make a sound so that lesser beings (Man) could comprehend something spiritual, and bring it down to earth so that they could look at it.
He says to moses, "No, I will not give you a name, nor an image, nor a form, nor a similitude, nor any of those things of which I'm sure you will make an image of and choose to worship.... But I will tell you who I am.... I am simply, at the very core of my being, exactly who I am...."
So, honestly, when you look at that, for me anyway, I have to say that if God presents himself to a man, as a "Zebra" so to speak, it does not matter that the man did not use the correct name.... He acknowledges that there is indeed a higher power than himself, and comes to know both himself and this "God".
And honestly, it doesn't matter what one man was trying to portray, or his confusion in trying to portray it. What matters is that people are given a chance, an honest chance, to simply experience life, and make an conscious choice.
Not all things are good, but there is some good in all things. Not all things are evil, but there is some measure of evil in all things.
What is good, and what is evil?
I do not understand, yet I do, why certain people seem to desire to give power to these evil forces in this world, as I personally, in my honest opinion (Opinion now, not accusation, just my person opinion that none has to, nor should accept) that you are giving power to these "Demons" in that you acknowledge them, and speak of them as something to be feared.....
I understand the concept of a "demon" but I also understand the concept of "fear is a demon" and in fact, I find, that demons have no power over things unless one gives into the fear that they initially try to instill into people, and the reason they appear as these terrible creatures full of power and malice, is to do one thing.... Gain power of beings they have no power over at all.... They only have the power that you give to them, and you can only give them power through fear, because fear denotes worship, so technically, when you fear such things as evil and demons, satan, the devil, "charms", any of that sort of thing, you are not keeping yourself safe from it... You are not avoiding worshiping it.... You are giving power to it.
The bible states, "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom"
Again it states, "If God be for me, then who shall be against me?"
I personally believe that the "devil" cannot deceive you, unless you are willing to be deceived. The fear of being deceived can easily lead one into being deceived.
If I tell you, "Watch out, the devil's after you" and you start freaking out, and you go lock yourself away and pray, and pray, and pray, and your fear consumes you, because you believed me to be some prophet, or a spiritual man with insight into certain things, you go on believing that indeed, the devil is after you, and thus, you give him an invitation to actually come after you, thus, one day, he shows up, or perhaps he doesn't. Perhaps you sit in that room for a long time cowering in fear, until you have to come out to get something to eat, and when you do, you eat, and are filled, and God speaks to you quietly and says, "Are you dead yet?" and you say, "No, of course not.. I'm sitting here eating, I'm looking at your beautiful creation. I'm enjoying life..." and he says back to you, "Then why did you let the devil deceive you into wasting your time locked away..."
I simply refuse to let fear keep me down, back, and away from anything, especially God, and the ability to see Him in everything, whether it appears good or evil, comes from good or evil men. If I believe that God is God, then I must believe (Logically anyway) that the devil is not....
Now, the question I'm posing is this, why do you feel the need to "demonize" everything?
Pharmaceuticals are not evil. They are just pills. Taking Pharmaceuticals is not evil, they serve a purpose. Abusing pharmaceuticals is not an act of evil, persay, but rather allowing pharmaceuticals to abuse you, that is evil. The same goes with Money, or Relationships, or anything of the sort. Any and everything has the capacity to do great good, or great evil, but only man has the free will within which to choose which of those two extremes he uses those things for.
I can run around afraid of everything, and experience nothing, or I can run around without fear, and experience everything, and know at the end of the day, live or die, existence exists.
Do not take this, my friend, as an attack on you, or your personal beliefs. This is not me arguing. This is me pointing out, and clarifying what I believe to be true. But more so than that, to point out this....
Spell the word "Believe" ..... now break it into syllables.... what's dead in the center?
So what is "belief" based on, when you look at it that way? What's it's foundation. And truth is what 51% of the people say it is. I have formed my beliefs on what I have experienced as real, and not on anything outside of that. I know what I know, and what I don't, is merely an assumption. I do however have to be cautious, as I know the reality of the fact that my beliefs can be formed based upon everything that I take into myself. Every word I hear or read, every sight I see, every smell I smell, everything I feel.
But I do know this.... If one wants to learn to ice skate, one must first overcome the fear of falling, and accept that one will fall. When one gets past this fear, they are free to skate, and free to fall, and one might just notice, that when they fall, it isn't as big of a deal as they "believed" it to be when first starting out, and that their fear was based on something they had not yet experienced. That one might have so much fun skating, that when they fall, they even laugh, even though it hurts each time, because they aren't skating to learn the art of falling, but rather are skating for the joy of the experience.
Meanwhile, their dear friend will not join them, because they too, are as they were, too afraid of falling to try....
God has one name, and many titles. God does not refer to Himself as Zebra. The god depicted in this movie is not the God of Abraham.
Pharmakeia are absolutely evil. These are designed only to make you more sick. Do not be fooled by modern medicine. Look up the testimonies of Bill Schnobolen, an ex-satanist. One of the projects he worked in during his time serving Satan was the takeover of medicine, a plan in place for more than 100 years. Guess who built up the American Medical Association?
Here is an article about pharmakeia: http://calltodiscernment.blogspot.com/2009/11/bibl
Ethan 16 months ago
Sigh... It matters not from what origin something came from, nor who messed with it, it matters what one does with it when it is in their possession.
I just do not agree with your reasoning, Ethan. So, no matter who has a teaching of Satan, it only matters what he does with that teaching? No sense there.
Ethan 16 months ago
Lol, just nevermind. In the grand scope of things, I suppose my point, nor yours, has any meaning whatsoever.
It's all so trivial.
The movie was good, and interesting, and I personally got what I was supposed to out of it.
grophy 16 months ago
The Agency is Technocracy (New World Order greysuits), and the lovers (Norris and Elise) are awakening Sleepers. The "side effects" are Paradox effects which holds the agents back from casting vulgar effects which would render reality too much. The hat is a focus which helps the agent to cast effects. Read Mage: the Ascension. This film is about that!
Kelthar 16 months ago
I completely support the idea of "Man from Modesto", and I'm providing another argument :
If they were actually Angels, they wouldn't have to stop because of ripple effects, since they were actually doing the will of God. They were attempting to accomplish exactly what should happen. Not to mention they would have never caused pain to another man to stop David.
However, they are Demons. Why? If supposedly Satan has rules that he has to follow, so that God does not stop him, too many ripple effects would surely call the attention of God. That's why they had to stop and call Thompson, who supposedly would have an higher authority and could "extend" those rules more than the others.
But by the end, they reached the limits of ripple effects, and that was enough. God probably forced Satan to let them be together.
Kelthar,
Excellent rejoinder. James 4:7 says, "Therefore, submit to God, resist the devil, and he will flee from you." By pursuing God's plan to put them together, David and Elise are submitting to God. Clearly, they resist the devil in the story line as well. So, consequently, the devil MUST flee from them (let them alone) as the power of the Word of God is backing the words recorded in James.
Benedicto Charleston III 15 months ago
If they were actually demons doing the work of the devil then there would have been no need for Norris to lose the first election in the very beginning. They would have made sure that the picture from his college prank never came out and that he won the Senate seat the first time.
In terms of saying what god and angels wouldn't do (ex. - hurt someone just to slow down Norris), read the Old Testament. Your "god" killed quite a few people in that section of the book.
All religions are made up anyways so this argument is irrelevant. All important events of the Bible can and have been disproven by scholars (including theologically oriented ones) and "god" was created for different reasons by different cultures as a way to keep order to ensure the survival of their group. As for the groups that believe in Jesus, he was nothing more than a great philosopher of his time who had the intelligence to win over the minds and believes of the Christians. A smart man yes, but the son of god... not at all.
Benedicto- one of the premises of my interpretation is that the devil is not the strongest force in the world. God is. Since Norris went for love, and that was God's plan for Norris, the devil could not overcome that. God's Word says "therefore submit to God, resist the devil, and he will flee from you" (James 4:7).
Your rejection of Jesus is exactly what the Chairman wants.
Whatever 15 months ago
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Kid 15 months ago
Is there any explanation for the water detail?
Kid, I believe the water detail is the case in the story where Mitchell tells Norris that water blocks the ability of the devils to "see" what they are doing. I have two thoughts on this:
1. Witches believe that a witch's or a sorcerer's power can be blocked, or at least frustrated, by crossing a river, or otherwise separating themselves from an attacking witch or sorcerer by a body of water.
2. In spiritual visions and dreams, water often represents the Holy Spirit. In the regard, devils are powerless against those protected by God. So, symbolically, Norris is being protected by the Holy Spirit
when he is aboard the ferry, surrounded by water. There is a contradiction in this interpretation: the fallen angel Mitchell is on the ferry as well. The Holy Spirit does not protect devils. However, as in the Garden of Eden, a devil is able to enter God's place and tell lies in an effort to lead a person out of God's plan. The serpent did this to Adam and Thompson does the same to Norris.
Adam 14 months ago
First off, you are claiming an obviously huge contradiction... That the book is a retelling of a demonic hallucination, and at the same time a christian themed movie. The truth is here that you took something from this movie that almost certainly not there and ran with it.. And that's fine, because that's kind of the function of ambiguity in art. The director even stated he was leaving this ambiguious for this reason, and cut the scene where the chairman comes out and is a woman. He wanted it to fit various cultural concepts of god..
http://io9.com/5778984/whos-the-secret-chairman-of
A prime example of this is your "proof" in that the directors muse was a psychotic break where he hallucinated what you are alluding to as pagan god's. The reality of the situation is he had a bad reaction to dental anesthesia and it cause a hallucination... a good twenty years after this story was written and published. The two events are completely unrelated, not just artistically but temporally!
Normally some one just running wild with interpretations of art I'd welcome the discussion on, but I really feel in this case your personal views are clearly reshaping the movie so far it's becoming unrecognizable.
The question is what's more likely... The writer of the original story claims his story's not about satan, and the writer of the movie screenplay and director says it's not about satan. But they are both lying about their intentions to subversively sneak in your image of God into a movie. -OR- The movie just has a different view of God then you do.
Seriously, stop trying to shoe horn random ideas to prove what you want to be there. "In spiritual visions and dreams water represents the Holy Spirit."
"The chairman only pretends to allow it" There is no reason at all in the film to believe the chairman was pretending to allow it, and at any point to imply some was "pretending" is tantamount to saying "The chairman was thinking the whole time 'I'm the devil!' " It's baseless unless you want to find some magical loophole to force it to fit your thesis.
Adam, I am not saying the Adjustment Bureau review I've made is based on a Christian theme. It is widely confused as Christian. And, the story, as written by the author, is completely demonically inspired. And, that comes all the way through into the movie.
I understand director Nolfi is saying the Chairman is God. However, look at the evidence I have provided. Nolfi is either confused with the majority in understanding what was written, intentionally misleads, or is poorly informed about the nature of God.
Bill Schnoebolen appears a bit odd, yes. However, character assassination is so widely employed against whistleblowers and defectors from the satanic ranks that one can now almost conclude that anyone attacked viciously is telling the truth. However, reason and understanding must always be employed.
Friedrich Nietzsche 13 months ago
You're making up points that support your theory of the movie, but then turn around to say that the movie was not actually a Christianity-based movie. Quit contradicting yourself. It's people with points like yours that make me believe Christianity is growing more and more ridiculous everyday, but you believe that by arguing these points, people will join you. Hate to break it to you, but they won't. You're pushing people away.
Nietzsche Imposter: The contradiction you suggest is a fabrication of your mind. The movie is not based on Christianity. The director thinks it is. It is not. The Bureau agents are demons, working to ruin not just the lives of individuals like Norris, but also working to elevate individuals like Norris to positions of power in order to ruin the lives of nations and the world.
mr. magoo 13 months ago
I think that the "chairman" is GOD! The Agents is angels sent to our planet in the movie to guide us and lead us in the right direction.
Mr. Magoo,
It is possible to know God. It what He wants. The God of Abraham does not do the kinds of things the "Chairman" does. God's Word cannot be broken. God does not need alternate plans. He always wins.
Movies like this are meant to confuse those who don't study to show themselves approved. Your problem is, you don't study the scriptures. Otherwise, you would not be fooled. I hope you will see out God and learn to discern what is God and what is not.
Fan 13 months ago
I have a question though. At the end of the movie, thompson has David and Elise at the top of the building. This is his oppourtunity to separate them. However, mitchell states that the chairman has a "new plan" that will allow them to be together. If the chairman was the devil why would he allow them to be with each other?
Fan,
The devil has come to steal, kill, and destroy. He wants to destroy every good thing in the lives of David and Elise. And, he wants to destroy many lives by putting an unhappy David into political power.
Too bad for the devil, David and Elise find love. Love is the greatest power on earth. The devil simply could not break it. The Chairman simply pretended that he made an allowance to permit it. In reality, the devil has no choice when people claim and take action to keep what God has given to them.
Adam and Eve believed the devil and lost what God gave them: the Garden of Eden. David and Elise believed in love and refused to release it, and fought to keep it. The devil could not overcome that.
The Chairman 12 months ago
OK, so this trying to dissect a movie based on your religious belief needs to stop. This is not a christian movie, it's not based on any fact other than "the chairman" is a deity that created man and pushes people towards the plan he has created for them. The term "satan" or "god of abraham" should not even be brought up. Mr "Man from Modesto" you really should keep your preaching in church because it doesn't apply to this movie in any shape or form. Honestly you didn't do any good from this. You are just a bible thumping tool that pushes your religious values on people....
The Chairman- My father in Heaven is real. Angels are real. Fallen angels (demons) are real. The war that is on is for YOUR eternal soul, and the billions of other souls on this planet. Right now, Satan owns you.
Movies like this one, Harry Potter, and most others are designed to make you think they way Satan wants. Have you heard of the Illuminati? Bohemian Grove? The Down Low Club in Chicago? Skull and Bones? God said, "My people perish for lack of knowledge."
Need evidence of God? Look at the war going on right now. It is all around you. Amazingly, you have missed it! You are a casualty of the most important war ever waged: the war for your eternal soul.
What about all those people reporting a "near death experience"? What part of them went on the journey? Answer: their soul. And, their souls are eternal.
What the Adjustment Bureau leaves out is that, in exchange for all their assistance, the fallen angels ("some call us that")receive a right for the soul of the person helped. Even simply choosing their story (a lie) over the truth: God in Heaven, salvation through Jesus alone, gives the devils the right to your soul. You belong to the kingdom whose laws you follow.
Quick note to all those who think this film is about God, and the Chairman is God:
Your problem is, you don't study the scriptures. The Chairman's activities and authority do not match those of God, they match those of Satan.
M.W.E. 11 months ago
I read the scriptures on a daily basis and have i have come to know is something completely different then what you say. I believe God is Love and that he wants us to know him. However, seeing that he is God no one not even Satan can undermine what God chooses to do. He is God, Satan is not more powerful then God. There for if they were demons governed by Satan then they would never have succeeded. Also Satan does control the world we see but not in the way you believe Man from Modesto. The truth is God has given us free will and we use that free will to choose wither or not we want to serve him. So this whole idea that this movie is about Satan controlling man or God controlling man makes no since because If God wanted him to be President then he would be, If God wanted him to be with the women he would. Nothing Satan could do would change that. So my point is that this movie was trying to show us that we have free will to make our own decisions. Also this is the directors interpretation. So who are we to tell him that he the movie is not base on God. If he wanted this movie to be about him then that is his opinion of God...it might not be accurate. This seems to be a incorrect view on God and being preordain to do something based on a "Plan". Truth is the point of free will that god has given us completely destroys the idea of have a preset plan. Even Jesus had a choice to serve God or do an Act of worship to Satan. Like wise with Adam and Eve, they both had a decision as to wither or no to serve God. I think people make a big deal about things when they shouldn't. This is a movie...just enjoy it for what it is. Wither it is correct or not...EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN INTERPRETATION TO MOVIES!
Hello, M.W.E.,
You are the kind of Christian I just do not like at all. So, you read the scriptures daily, eh? So what? The Holy Spirit is our teacher, not the scriptures. Satan quoted scriptures to Jesus, but he didn't understand that Jesus would die to Redeem all who believe and turn away. By killing Jesus, Satan gave the power of salvation to the world.
Here is something HUGE you seem to have missed in all your daily scripture reading: God gives permission to the devil to destroy things in the earth. If the devil can't do anything, is it God starting all the wars? Was it God who sacrificed babies in the fire? Was it God who caused Aaron to build a golden calf?
The God who is a loving god only, and NOT also the God of Judgment is a fake god. If that is the god you trust for salvation, you are in BIG trouble. What does Jesus say to some who fully expect to enter Heaven at Mat 24? "I never knew you." It is about personal relationship, not knowledge, and certainly not incorrect knowledge.
But, I can tolerate all that. What I HATE, and rightly, is a person who does not know God at all, nor Jesus, and stands up and dares to tell others that his own fake god and love thereof is the real thing. I absolutely detest it. What do you think God thinks of it?
M.W.E. 11 months ago
Man I agree with most people are contradict yourself so much! This is what you have said "But, I can tolerate all that. What I HATE, and rightly, is a person who does not know God at all, nor Jesus, and stands up and dares to tell others that his own fake god and love thereof is the real thing. I absolutely detest it." Except that is what you did at the very beginning of this post and have been doing to every single person who responds to it. You have none stop been trying to prove your point and your are one of those ignorant people who cant see truth in front of their own eyes. This whole post wasn't to express your interpretation of the movie it is to force it down peoples throats and to force your contradictory beliefs. This will be the last post i put because you don't seem to listen what anyone has to say, and you are are mistaken in so many things you say and refuse to listen to anyone else but yourself! It is truly sad!
M.W.E., So, your rebuttal is that I should bend the truth if many people reject it? Unlike you, I do not walk on the wide road. When a person stands for truth, the darkness will hate him. Jesus continued to speak the truth, as did John the Baptist and the disciples (except Judas Iscariot). All of them were persecuted and killed.
The interpretation of the film in the article is correct.
Name 11 months ago
How could they be demons and Satan if you claim love and God conquers all? The chairman changed the plan and if he's Satan why wouldn't he just reset them both? No, the demon theory is completly off, the God theory makes more sense but still is contradicting.
Name: There is no real contradiction in your assertion. David and Elise followed love, and so the won because they believed in love and did not follow the devil's plan. They followed God's plan for their lives- to meet and marry, and to be happy. Happy people create happiness for others because they value it. The devil hates that, and works hard to destroy it.
The devil is allowed to challenge and test us when he has permission. Satan even tried to tempt Jesus, but failed (of course). The devil was successful in redirecting the course of Adam & Eve's lives- and they walked regularly with God and spoke with Him in the Garden of Eden.
Once someone has passed a test in a certain arena, the devil will give up for a while- but will try and try again. He especially hates love and helping others- in Christians or Buddhists or Muslims... Satan hates love, and wants to break it when he can. James 4:7 says, "Therefore, submit to God, resist the devil, and he will flee from you." Stick with God's plan, refuse to let the devil redirect you or delay you, and the devil will stop wasting his limited resources... until you let your guard down...
Ricky Gervais 11 months ago
There is no god, devil, demons, angels or witches, end of discussion.
Ricky: millions of satanists and hundreds of millions of Christians disagree with you. Ask yourself, why do you really hate God? Who offended you? It wasn't God. God loves you. Remember: God loves you. It hurts him that you pretend He does not exist so you can avoid something. What is it?
Sheesh 11 months ago
Man from Modesto, you are quite a narcissist.
Sheesh: Do you know what that word means?
Greg 11 months ago
The writer is correct in his argument that these characters are similar to demons- including the fact that they often are cloaked in black and wear what looks like derby or top hats. The script writer certainly did his home work, becuase not too many people know those things. But the REALLY diabolic thing that is happening here is this- the story is woven to convince the viewer that they are watching angels and that the "chairman" is God. THIS is why most posters dissagree with the writers view that they are demons. In real life, many thousands have seen these beings dressed this way. Make no mistake- they are not your friends. Rebuke them in the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ and they will flee.
Aaron 10 months ago
It is a movie, a very good movie in fact. Stop the bible thumping and enjoy it for what it is. If you think this is about demons, you must of also thought the rapture was really going to happen. Jesus live life don't go over thinking everything. Demons lol and the devil made Foos ball.
Steve 10 months ago
Oh come on. Wayy over thinking and obviously you are a religious freak who can barely tell what reality is in your life. Never mind the movie and your crazy, one sided review, you need help in real life! I'm aggravated just from reading what you perceived the movie to be based upon. I just watched it for the first time and I really did enjoy it. But after reading this review and being so annoyed by it, it makes me never want to see this movie again! Get a grip on reality pal!
Steve: Check out the "Resources" block below the comments. Anger over reading an article? That can very well be a demonic influence. Demons make people angry to block them from every understanding about Jesus, or how to live a life free of them. Look at how they manipulated and controlled David Norris. Scripture says those whose lives are corrupted hate the Light. " For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."
Basically, the person who is living the wrong way (according to God, not Hollywood) will "hate" (i.e. become "aggravated" or angry) the Light. When I first began to read what God says in scripture, I also did not like to hear it! I was living wrong back then.
I hope you will be set free and you can get a controlling grip on what is real, and what is from the devil.
TruthSeeker 10 months ago
I have read most of the comments on this post and have yet to see anyone fully and clearly prove the Man from Modesto's point wrong. He is not contradicting himself. Everything he has said makes sense and fits into place if you paid attention to the movie and its themes and have some knowledge of scripture and also of how the occultists' think.
thetruthisoutthere-wheredidiputit 9 months ago
wtf, this is a movie based on a short story by a "SCI-FI" writer. what's wrong with you people!!!
TTIOT-WDIPI:
Here is what I posted 7 months ago:
Phillip Dick was taking pharmaceuticals. When a woman delivered a pizza to his house, he looked at a charm she wore, and began hallucinating. In those hallucinations (likely a demonic attack), he came to know "Zebra" also known as Vallon, also called by Dick, "god."
Phillip Dick believed it was god. Nolfi said the Chairman is based on Dick's character in the book: Dick's concept based on his hallucination-experience Zebra-Vallon-god.
The genre to which Dick categorized himself does not alter the influence of a supernatural reality which Dick converted into his story.
k! got mashed... saw god... wrote fictional story... discuss:)
SupaVal 8 months ago
You can take any movie, any movie you want and make it mean anything you want it to mean by over analyzing it. Which is fine if that's your thing, but why bother? This is a movie, it's not real! If you believe this or any other science fiction movie and is going to turn someone to a life of satanism, then you are delusional.
SupaVal: You are exactly wrong on this one. That is EXACTLY the purpose of Satanists: to frontload people to accept things like star gates/ time-space bridges/ worm holes/ Einstein-Rosen bridges.
And, they want people to believe that an intergalactic (us vs. space aliens) war is coming. Those "aliens" are really demons. There will be no true friendlies, like the autobots. The truth is, they are all deceivers and con artists, all demons. They are all Deceptacons.
When Mitchell tells Norris, "Some call us that." He is opening a door for Norris to falsely believe they are angels of God- in good standing. They once were, but now are not.
Some in this world do, in fact, mistake demons for angels. "If the light you think you have is really darkness, how deep is that darkness indeed." Some are deceived.
Dr. Sam Paulson - College of the Holy Cross 8 months ago
Honestly, I feel the vast majority of your conclusions are utterly fallible at best, but not entirely. There is certainly room for the potential that the agents were "demons" and that the "Chairman" was in-fact, Satan. Quite a bit of room actually. Unfortunately though, your entire synopsis is based upon what seems to be the Bible or Scripture which is utterly fallible. The Bible is not the word of God, nor is it the culmination of the teachings of Christ. Religion like the Bible, is a creation of man, twisted and turned and molded with the image it's authors were attempting to portray. Religious canonical devices and nothing else.
Now am I saying God the Holy Creator is fallible? Most certainly not! However, had your review been based upon theological insight and study it might have been far far more accurate as you are missing quite a bit. Before you go about quoting a scripture passage... I should remind you, or perhaps inform you is more accurate, that the New Testament alone for example had over 3,000 books as potential candidates at one point. Others that were excluded by human evaluation and human judgment leaves you with the current KJV as canon.
Perhaps you'd like to rewrite your review using theology as a basis? I'd certainly like to read that.
Sam, It is interesting to me that your conclusion seems to be "I am smarter than you because I am a theologian and you just read the Bible". It is appalling that you have trashed the Bible in order to make the (fallacious) point. I understand you to mean that everything they taught you that the Bible means over in the CATHOLIC (which means universal, as in all things Christian plus all things pagan mixed into one) teaching system is superior to what the Bible actually says because the writings of Luke, John, Peter, Paul, Solomon, Jeremiah, Daniel, Isaiah and others are fallible, whereas your degree ("Doctor" Sam) is NOT fallible.
Take a look at your post. Why should I see anything but a man blinded by his denomination?
As for me, I will continue to read scriptures and to seek the Living God, the Holy Spirit, to tell me what it means. Scripture itself says it is not open to private interpretation. The Holy Spirit is our teacher, and we should call no other man (or collection of professors) our teacher.
Psalm 118:8 "[It is] better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. "
Adam 7 months ago
People like you are what is wrong with religion. Believe or burn. That's your motto, right? I'm not even going to try and say anything to change your mind. I could write you a novel and not one word would get through to someone like you. The poster above was exactly right. The kjv bible is a complete fabrication. It is in no way,shape, or form the word of good. The only text i've ever read with more contradictions than the bible are your posts.
Actually, it is GOD who says that Jesus is the ONLY door. It is not any particular religion. It is the blood of Jesus- only. I hope you will do some research and see what scripture says. Those who want you to believe it is all worthless are the same who want you to go to Hell. It serves their master.
I am not asking you to believe me or any other person. I am asking you to believe the Word of God. Peace.
Aaron 7 months ago
I have been confronted with a lot of facts during my reading of this post and I must say that yes this is a movie and we should all just watch it and enjoy it...but I feel that the man from Modesto is correct, but is it really right to say that the devil try's to force you in to turning from god? No, for he only try's to convince you to turn from god, a wise man once told me that you brain is like a bunch of wires put in order exactly how god wants it to be so that your on the right path and the devil comes into your brain and try's to rewire...and as for the bible being fake or what ever, I don't think so,
??? 7 months ago
If the director says the chairman is representative of God or a Higher power, where is there room to interpret this movie in any other way. That and I would like to add, the bible and religion in general is a creation of man. Quoting the bible, a work of fiction created by man, is silly.
The people who say, "The Bible is a work of fiction." Or say as a catholic M. Div. recently wrote in a comment, that "it has all been manipulated and is worthless," such people are deceived.
The Bible is a compilation of letters, testimonies, official state records (e.g. 1 Kings is a book of the acts of the kings of Israel), and first-hand accounts written by the people who walked with Jesus. To deny these historical documents - which are more greatly verified than any other document in history - is far more stupid than saying the Beowulf story was printed last year, or that Egyptian hieroglyphs were produced by Nazis during their occupation there. Those two statements seem utterly ridiculous to you, I hope. To anyone who has taken responsibility for what they believe instead of yielding blind faith to people just vomiting what they heard somewhere, or who believe something just because someone printed it, to those of us who actually research and study, we only see who boldly arrogant and mislead you are.
The Bible warned that deceivers and liars would come and "deceive many". You are one of the many. I pray you will be released from the bondage of lies. -MFM
The Realist 7 months ago
I think the adjustment bureau agents is your(David Norris) conscience telling you what to do from the goals you set in life and the influence by the people and things around you. As we all do , we come around something or a situation that is referred to as bad or wrong when we get the feeling that it actually feels right. So when David Norris decided to go on with what he thought was right the plan changed, cus he is the chairman all along. Showing that we as people have the free will to do what we want and not restricted to following the ideals that the medias and other influences say.
Ace:)
ttiot-wdipi: That is an interesting interpretation, one of the better ones. I suggest to you this: each of us hears the call of the flesh (power, money, prestige, women) and also the call of the heart. If David himself is the Chairman, then would the "some call us that" angels be components of David's own psyche? Why did David have to go through "doors" to get access to the Chairman's lair?
paul 7 months ago
Its true! Whole hollywood is satanic, here is proof that the chairman is to represent Satan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoM1gvwIjko&feature
look about at 6min30s. It deals with new age and stuff...
Be warned!
dave 7 months ago
@ man from Modesto(be patient english its not my native language)
real story you got here i read it and got me thinking for sure. but to see how you keep pushing it and refused other people comments it makes me believe that your are just a fanatic one of those cray religious nut jobs that are looking for devil on every single thing. i wasn't able even get to the end of the comment list as i kept reading you come across crazier and crazier
p.d. if your goal its to spread your message. cool it a little bit and embrace other people opinion as well so you don't loose credibility
Dave, I always appreciate the comments of others- as long as they are seeking after the one true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Not the moon god, not the god of Ishmael, not any kind of fake jesus who is brother to satan, or who is only a prophet, not the Son of the Most High.
All other comments are the work of Satan. Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." Without Jesus, there is no admission to Heaven. Jesus is THE ONLY way to God. Jesus himself said he is the son of God. Many others knew he is the Son of God.
Others don't seem to care if they are deluded (and on their way to Hell, if they don't turn to Jesus." It seems you belong to this unfortunate group. All others seem to be telling you that mixing idols into your belief system is okay; that allowing the devil to run amock in the Harvest is okay. God does not agree with that.
Who desires to be right with God must believe GOD, not man. I hope the Truth will set you free.
I have this word for you from the HOly Spirit, "I know you. I have not yet called you. But, soon you will be set free."
Sincerely,
MFM
Mv 7 months ago
First off to say they were demons and the devil, just seems stupid. THompson might have been satan but the Chairman was Obviously God and Mitchell an Angel. I mean the way he said even Thompson has a boss, would make you think Thompson was Satan. But why would Mitchell a supposed Demon go out of his way to help David? Or are you saying Mitchell was an Angel while everyone else in the Bureau is demons? People read way too much into this. It was a creative take on God,free-will, destiny and Gods influence on them.
Also People always see Satan as this supreme evil who wants everyone to suffer. Satan delivered us from Ignorance, gave us knowledge. I guess you can argue thats a bad thing but I wouldnt. Then he was cast out for going against god. In the Old testament i think satan was more of a cautionary tale of what happens if you go against gods will. Since it was all about how god was vengefull and wiping people out. Then the new testament comes along with Jesus and god loving and hes all good. They contradict each other. Also let say a god made us in his image. Well we all have a darkside, most of us are good people and dont embrace it. But its there even the best of us is capable of such terrible things. So wouldnt that mean god would be the same, have a good and a dark side. He must have made the Angels and Satan was once one, so the Beins gods made are capable of such evil. WHy wouldnt god be then?
Mv,
The OT and NT in the Bible do not contradict each other. There is a very consistent message: Love God above all other things with all your mind, body, and heart; love others as yourself; believe God and follow him before you believe what men say... and many more which really reduce to the first two.
Since you are crediting knowledge and deliverance from ignorance to Satan, and accusing God of being evil, who should I think you are following? You need to find out what God Himself actually is saying to us. Get a Bible and read it yourself. Start in the back, with the book of John. It is a collection of historical accounts, the prophecies of major and minor prophets, and letters written by the disciples of Jesus to people they were helping. Written by them, during their lifetimes. Promotion of the Bible as being a bunch of lies (both by atheists and the catholics) is simply this: disinformation spread by haters of God.
Hookman29 7 months ago
Ok just so iam clear, this movie is about satan, so dont watch it? And its because this movie is a lear contradiction to the bible? And god loves us but put places in a realm to wage a war with an enemy that knows us better then ourselves. God wants us to follow him and gives us free will but if we dont follow him them we will burn forever, sounds like a mafia deal of making an offer we cant refuse. Oh and yes, the entire universe was created for just humans and earth. And dinosaur bones were placed.on earth to test our faith right? I mean it has to be because I dont remember dinosaurs being mentioned.in the bible. and all the people murdered throughout history by christians whats that? Yet there is one thing that seems to universal, you, the churches,.preachers, atheists and all else wants money. God doesnt need money man does. Next thing you telling us that we shouldnt get a new pair of shoes, we should give the money to you or the church because if not wd are going to hell. Pls dude.
Bobby, I did not approve your message. In it, you repeated many untruths. Christians do not fight and kill. Jesus said, "If my kingdom were of this world, my people would fight." But, His people did not fight. The Crusades, no matter what the Crusaders called themselves, were NOT an act of Christ. In fact, the Crusades were ordered by Rome. They sacked and destroyed Constantinople, a Christian stronghold. It was the last thing preventing Islam from entering areas north. The Crusades made ship builders and merchants wealthy. Nothing new under the sun.
MFM knows his stuff 7 months ago
Just read the post and all the comments. MFM, you seem like a smart, informed Christian. I'm a Christian myself, and I hope to one day be able to defend my faith the way you do.
Also, you really have a good point suggesting The Chairman is Satan, but I'm not sure if it matters one way or another; it's just a fictional story. I appreciate you using the issue of The Chairman's identity to
discuss spiritual warfare, however. That is a creative way of sparking conversation with people over the Internet, who presumably did a search for "adjustment bureau meaning" and landed here. Great ministry tool.
Power 6 months ago
Some really interesting stuff here, I realize that many of you may well be better informed than me when it comes to history and theology but my understanding is this:
A film can never explain the mysteries of spirituality,
because they are more complex than we can even begin to comprehend using our own reasoning and experience.
The Film simply demostrates some overall truths and fills in the blanks with "entertainment"
So what are the truths that the film portays?
1. God has a plan for your life. Jeremiah 29:11
2. If you want something (in this case love,) then asking God, and showing your willingness to work for it means God will grant it, as long as it is in line with his will (plan) Philippians 4:6
I think this will seem to many like watering it down but he have to bear in mind that for the film to be a good watch, it has to cut some corners and make some assumptions.
Perhaps the film is to make people ask: "what if"
And if through that 1 person finds Christ, then it was all worth it, however it came about.
Sean 6 months ago
Wow, that's a lot of hate coming from the original author. A truly horrid thing to witness when done in the name of god. Do you see what man's bastardisation and desperate need for clarification can do to a once beautiful message. It is truly sad. A message running through this is that evil cannot triumph over love. Try letting some into your heart brother. Embrace the message, done choke on the details.
Sean, your point is not clear. It seems you are saying that this movie (an act of Satan through the author) is a "beautiful message". Which part is beautiful? Is it the the graying down of the difference between an angel and a demon so that people will be ignorant to discern the difference and fall for Satan's lies? (A major objective in a great many movies.) Is it the confusion added to the understanding of the nature of God, which we need in our personal relationships with Him?
Evil cannot triumph over love? Read Revelation. Evil will be given authority to kill believers. It is the ultimate test of faith: reject God and live in the flesh, but die eternally, OR die in the flesh, but keep eternal life.
The Adjustment Bureau is being effective against those who do not read the Bible, do not seek God, and have not received the fullness of wisdom they need.
Hookman29 6 months ago
Seans point is very clear MFM. He just pointed out that man still is struggling to understand what God really wants from us. And that there are people that will take Gods word and prevert it for their own ends, including those that claim to be spuritually enlightened.
Sean 6 months ago
My apologies for not being clear. The beautiful message I refer to is not that of the adjustment bureau. The message I think you've misunderstood is the message of Jesus. You've abandoned love. You're seemingly motivated by fear and self justification. I pray you find your way back to Jesus brother. Think about the things you've said. Do you really think or lord and creator cares for such idle debate over a piece of entertainment? I truly mean no offence, just please try and remember the place of love in all of this.
Sean,
Thank you for your reply. The love of Jesus is not missed by me. This is NOT an "idle debate". Jesus himself came and told the truth. Many of the things Jesus said infuriated crowds to the point that they wanted to kill him. At the time God had appointed, they were successful.
In the Methodist church, and other churches ruled by the "World Council of Churches" (a global satanic movement), they teach that "no one has ever been argued into believing"- and therefore Christians do not need to argue, which is to present true statements contrary to false ones. That is a doctrine of Hell. Satan is the "father of lies" and a "deceiver". Jesus warned us, "My people perish for lack of knowledge."
Our job is very much to go out and warn people about the lies of devils. Jesus spoke one-third of the time about the things the devil does & will do. Why don't we?
Make no mistake- theater is a major vehicle for getting the people to do the desire of those in power (evil, crooked people, many of whom are satanists and most of whom hate God). Marketing gets us to buy their products. Front-loading programs us to interpret information in certain ways. How many movies- it might be more than 50% - have one or more phrases laughing at the idea of God?
Franky 5 months ago
Its funny hearing the lies...I mean word of god being spread. There have been thousands of civilizations and thousands of religions made up to explain the universe around them. Thankfully in the past few hundred years science has given us true answers as to why things happen instead of believing that the earth is 6 thousand years old or in the centre of the universe as the bible would have you believe.
The movie is a good movie. Not great but just good. It was made to make money for the studio and the actors etc. It's not the work of the hundredth "devil" that was made by man to spread bad thoughts or whatever.
There is NO SCIENCE whatsoever to support millions and billions of years. There is a mountain of evidence supporting an earth that is about 6,000 years old. Show me some proof, and I will show you how it is a lie, and intentional disinformation. Pick ANY PIECE OF "PROOF" you believe in.
Franky 5 months ago
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dalrymple/scientif
http://www.earthhistory.org.uk/questions-of-age/cy
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-na
Look mate I was actually making a joke. I didn't actually think there were people dumb enough to think the earth is 6000 years old. Even when there are civilizations that predate that??? Those resources took about 10 minutes to find but if you walk into a museum or read an encyclopedia you'd find the answer rather quickly. Saying there is no science to support that is like saying there is no maths to support economics. The idea is childish. Also there are geologists and other scientists that support and provide evidence for an earth that is billions of years old so you can jump on their bandwagon. Please don't reply with a bible verse or saying that god placed fake fossils or created rocks or meteors with age.
yuhhhh 5 months ago
man you must be crazy to take everything to biblical preportions
it is your opinion, but i believe theyre not evil or demon-like, just kind of controllers of destiny, just carrying out like machines, which could be a reason why they have long lifespans, but nothing lasts forever.
to me it was more a movie about love, and makes me reflect on what i would give up to stay with the women i love forever.
it shows how when you find that special person, youd give up being the president for her.
i hate to see what kind of life you have if the message you took from that was demons.
Wow! 5 months ago
I refuse to believe that you are stupid enough to think the world is 6000 years old. I simply refuse to believe it. I can maybe stretch far enough to believe that you are a fundamentalist (Although it's far more likely you just enjoy the attention.) and actually believe most of what your saying.
However, if you really think the earth is only 6000 years old, and that any of your arguments against the fact of that hold any weight. My friend, you need to see someone.
The film is a film. Good luck in the asylum.
I believe in a 6000 year-old earth. I believe this based on the facts, not on the disinformation printed and propagandized by those who hate God. To simply refuse to believe what is plainly printed is just thatsimple refusal. There is no science or reason, just rejection. I flipped through a Richard Dawkins book in the B&N today. Each chapter began with an attack on Christian beliefs like young earth and miracles. Yet, people want to believe it is science, and not God-hating. Guess what? It's God-hating, pure and simple.
Mr. Green 5 months ago
I am confused here. If this movie is a tool of the devil to format our thinking, why did love conquer the devil in this movie, if the devil is really the chairman? If we are not supposed to get that and believe God is the chairman we are persuaded to believe that God is affected by our persistence to seek love. That also doesn't seem to fit the devil's plan. Furthermore, it seems you're saying it is the devil that uses this movie as his tool and yet he apparently put in all kinds of hints (that practically only you are clever enough to spot) to reveal it is really about him and his demons. Is he that stupid? Wouldn't he be more successful not putting in those clues? Please enlighten me.
Mr. Green: I believe your confusion rests in your not understanding this spiritual law: "a little leaven leavens the whole loaf." The devil knows this. He understands that showing a clear, 100% distorted
message will result in massive rejection of the effort. So, the devil leads in small increments, and by adding just a little confusion, and just a little disinformation. He mixes this in with enough truth that those who do not seek God and do not read the Bible will be easily mislead. Scripture warns that those who do not study scripture can be easily mislead by every new doctrine that comes around.
V 5 months ago
You should watch the ending of the movie. Why would Mitchell say that even the Bureau itself is being tested also. The Chairman wants you to realize that even though he has a plan for all of us and we are bound by fate and our destiny, we have a choice of our own, our "free will" to do whatever we want. And because David and Elise fought for what they believe in and that no plan or fate or destiny can ruin what they have, they risked it and it inspired The Chairman. It inspired him to rewrite their plan at the end of the movie. The Chairman or God (so it seems) doesn't fully understand love, but is awed by humans passion for the love of another and the risks we take to fight for love. In the end of the movie, Mitchell states that these plans are there because humans are afraid to explore the outside world. Afraid to go out of their comfort zone or afraid to use free will "because they might screw up" (my own opinion), BUT if you open up your eyes and fight for what you believe in, learn from your mistakes and fight for free will, then these plans are not needed. You can begin to write your own path. It takes a strong free willed person to defy against god, knowing the consequences and believing He will forgive you, but in this case David did it for a good reason and The Chairman was inspired by that. Throughout the movie, The Chairman MIGHT have tested David and threw everything he had at him, but David was determine to fight for love (my opinion). That is why I believe The Chairman is God. I don't know how you could sit there and say the Chairman is Satan, when Thompson said that they had to jump in when chaos stirred up. The Dark Ages was on the horizon and they had to fix that. After the Dark Ages, they gave humankind another chance to rewrite history again, to make sure it never happened again, but war happened again. WW1 and 2. They came in and fixed it up (maybe Thompson is Satan, who knows). So why would The Chairman be Satan if he had to come in and fix humankind's mistake? Its your own opinion on The Chairman being Satan and I respect that, but what I don't respect is that while reading your comments to other people, you weren't open up to ideas and opinions of other people and trying, I'm assuming, to enforce Christianity is the way. God wants us to find our own path and believe in him while you do it.
Your stating that Christians don't kill or fight? You weren't alive thousands of years ago. Every religion has its fair share of violence.
The Illuminati, Bohemian Grove, etc. has nothing to do with this film. This film is to instill questions. To maybe have you open up your heart and eyes, is that, is this the path you want to take? Do you want to follow a religion, an occult, pact, or whatever? And for your information, I don't read the bible. I'm a buddhist, but not a full buddhist. Therefore I am not mislead. I do believe there is a higher power out there. And I do believe there is god. And I do believe God wants me to follow my own path, but still believe in him. He, and this is my own opinion, is testing you. Testing all of us. Do you want to read the bible and teach people the bibles teachings or go out and teach people what you have discovered that the way we live is destroying both our world and each other. Do you want to make your life dedicated to a religion or do you want to dedicate your life to humans and bringing peace? I truly believe he wants me to follow my own path. And building my own path, comes with responsibility. Do you use your own path for good or evil?
Reality Check 4 months ago
I was interested in this discussion till I read you believe the world is 6000 years old. I can buy into religion and I'm not against the idea of a god but it will be on my terms, my label, not what another person has created. I feel many faiths have developed over time to provide comfort to those who need answers and there is nothing wrong with that. The human creation of religion is evident however when you see a statement saying the world is 6000 years old. Get a grip. The proof is there this is not true and you make a fool of yourself by not admitting this. Religion needs to modernise and start adopting science into its thinking. The world is millions of years old..fact. Is there a god..? I dont know... but I would like to believe that if there was he/she/it would be disappointed that somone would refuse to adopt common sense into their belief. Any god I decide to believe in would have to know the earth is well over 6000 yrs old.
RC: Actually, all the evidence supports an earth that is about 6000 years old. Oldest desert: Sahara, 5500 years old. Niagara Falls is 3000 years old. Oldest coral reef: about 4000 years old.
What the Satanists do is this: They lie. They lie and say there are exactly 12 layers of earth, with the oldest being billions of years old. Charles Lyell made that claim in Stratigraphy. He told people at a
cocktail party, and wrote in his own private journal that he LIED because he HATED Christians and wanted to debunk the Bible. Lyell mentored Darwin, btw. (Note also the 1st syllable of Lyell's name...)
It is good to seek God. And, it is good to reject any man-made gods. No argument from me. In fact, I agree. Instead, however, you cannot seek to find a god "on my terms" or according to "my label". You must seek to find the truth, the REAL God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; the God of Salvation.
He requires that we meet Him on His terms, not ours. Should we expect something else?
Here are the terms God set forth: accept Jesus as the Redeemer, the one who paid the price for all wrongdoing. According to God's terms, this is the ONLY propitiation. Jesus is the ONLY door to God the Father and eternal life in Heaven.
Check it out, seeker.
Reality Check 4 months ago
Good comments. Although what about the other evidence, fossils millions of years old?
anthropologists date a vase, wood carving, or bone according to the date assigned to the layer of earth in which they find it.
Geologists date the layer of earth according to the age of vases, wood carvings or bones (etc) found in that layer.
Seem circular? It is!
The whole dating mess traces back to: Stratigraphy, the lie created by Charles Lyell.
SCott 3 months ago
The meaning of the name "Elise" is "My God is a vow". Woh
david 3 months ago
david means beloved and elise meaning my god is a vow.
Nick 3 months ago
"assassination is not a tool of the Kingdom of God" .. except that whole Jesus on the cross thing, I'm sure that was part of the plan...
Tired of Arguement 2 months ago
I think the fact that two people with completely opposing views, can argue their side both quoting from the same book, (The Bible) proves that the bible is open to interpretation, and that neither side can claim to be right or wrong. Kinda like the film...the fact one of you can argue the chairman is the devil because he is known by many names, and the fact the other can argue that the chairman is god because he has many names, and you can both use the same book and the same religion to argue your point proves that its ok to have oppinnions and get different experiences out of the same events...
Little Child 2 months ago
Just saw the movie and was searching for meaning or in-depth thought into this interesting film. I must say thank you for sharing your viewpoint, a very good read.
Now, I was thinking to myself: What if the entire point of the film is to show that we do indeed have free will as bestowed on us by God, but the forces of evil try to mould us into their various forms through the various manifestations of evil around us. The love displayed by David towards Elise is analogous to the love Jesus showed for us on the cross... Although the devil has a plan for us 'in hell' as seen through their little notebooks, we should not merely follow what seems to be the 'logical' decision in our lives but with a conscious heart an mind embrace the will of God and serve him, not merely following patterns and so called trends as displayed by David.
Little Child 2 months ago
To the man who said "the film is just a film"
Au contrare, everything has meaning behind it. This film is a work of art: tantamount to a book, a painting or whatever genre or form you choose. Yes it is open to interpretation, but to believe that is merely pictures moving on a screen is simply vapid.
jim bo 7 weeks ago
You keep saying that jesus is the only way to god and all other methods (ie religions) are wrong, but have you considered that other religions say the same? They claim their religion to be the only way to god in the same way you claim jesus to be the only way to god.
Another point, have you considered that if you were born in china, for example, you would have a completely different belief system? You would believe a totally different set of beliefs purely because of geographical location.
Daniel 7 weeks ago
With the belief that all science is false and only 1 book is true, then yes your beliefs and theories are completely sound. But an educated person knows better. I use my "god given" free will to not believe in him/her. Before you start going Dr. Phil on me and blaming someone for me not believing in god. I am a man of logic and there in NO proof of god and A LOT of proof debunking it. For all we know, the bible may have been the first science fiction novel ever written and then some crazy guy ran with it like you did with this article. You don't know and neither do I. To each his own and because I used to be christian I know it is not very christian like to push your beliefs on others (That's what started the crusades ;) ) Keep your opinions to yourself and if you must, pray for the people you think may be going down the wrong path but don't you dare think that you know all. I'm not saying your wrong because I don't know but look at it this way. Even a crazy err.. I mean broken clock is right twice a day.
Man from Modesto 6 weeks ago from Modesto, California Hub Author
Daniel,
You claim that an "educated person knows better" is poorly supported by your pop culture "facts". It is popular amongst a certain group of people whose arrogance permits them to assume that everything about them is better than everything about everyone else. Since they went to college, college is the best life plan, they believe.
For example, you attribute to me the statement "science is false and only 1 book is true." This is a common misbelief. It is propagated by Satanists to deceive those who lack scientific rigor and who fail to apply philosophy of logic to their beliefs. Because they cannot utilize the scientific method, they are unable to identify a lie, and to even identify the kind of false premise or non sequitur being plied.
Those who hate Christ love to say that Christians reject "Darwinism and science". It is a false claim. Darwinism is junk. It is nothing less than a social agenda supported by Satanists. Science, however, is a powerful tool. It is nothing in itself. It is only something in the mind of a true scientist, a king who loves to seek out the hidden things.
Second, you attribute the Crusades to Christians. Wrong again. Those were the works of Rome, of the Roman Catholic church. It is a pagan system, and Satanic at the top. Look up the "black pope".
The world is filled with a war between Satanists and Christians. There are true "powers and principalities" at work. They deceive you in movies and tv. They tell you lies in books and text books.
You attack me claiming I pretend to "know all". I have not said that. This explanation of the Adjustment Bureau is spot-on, however.
The PROOF of God is massive. You say the Bible is a work of science fiction? There are more copies of the letters, histories, and testimonies compiled into the Bible than any other book- including those so easily accepted by academics. (e.g. Beowulf, The Iliad). The compiled histories have been vetted; anthropologists use stories in the Bible to locate ancient cities. A battle in WWI was won by the Brits against the Germans when a young lieutenant recalled that a battle had been won in the same location using a canyon passage known only to locals. They found the canyon and circled behind the Germans, and defeated them.
The histories, testimonies, and letters in the Bible are true.
I have never seen any "proof" debunking the Bible. All the mockers just agree to thumbs up each other's bizarre claims.
btw, I am a scientist. How about you?
Jim Bo: Yes, I have considered what might have happened if I were born into a different culture in a different religion. I was. I compared all the major religions, challenged them philosophically and by experience. I actually decided the Jews were the best. But, when the rabbi said I had to reject Jesus. I prayed 7 days. On the 7th day, Jesus showed me in a dream that He has power over all the other claimants to supernatural power. God is at the top of the food chain. So, I am a Christian with ZERO doubt.
Hookman29 6 weeks ago
Something interesting in the movie is the statement made by one of the so called Demons(according to man from modesto) was that humans dont have free will, we have the illusion of free will. According to MFM Gods plan has already been set and doesnt ever change, then God already knows the choices we will make doesnt he? So then Adam and Eve eating the apple, death destruction and mayhem shouldnt be a big shocker. This is all supposed to happen for some reason. And since everything hasnt been revealed to us by God, we dont know what he has in store for us or why correct? So then why would he need us to do anything good or bad, follow or not follow him. It wouldnt change or affect his plan anyway!! Am I missing something? And MFM or anyone, what is Gods plan? and why would he want to have us involved, since the world is his footstool he doesnt need us anyway it sounds like. I am interested to hear the answers and comments.
desu 5 weeks ago
*sigh*, this is exactly the way of thinking that religion causes people to have...
Actually, desu, I came to this conclusion completely independent of any religion. Do you think they are warning about "socialization" in movies at any denominational churches? Or any churches anywhere? Most of them are the synagogue of Satan.
If you want to find truth, you have to looking. Only the seeker finds, only the one who knocks has the door opened.
The idea that religion is for dunderheads is just one of the many oft-repeated bullet-point thoughts inserted into movies everywhere to subliminally program you.
You think you have a right position on Jesus. You don't. You have the one Satan gave you.
Free your mind.
Man from Modesto your comment to Daniel is right on. However your implication is not. Of course that WW1 battle was won by the Brits knowing the secret canyon passage. The canyon location was written into history and placed in the bible. There was no divinity behind the location. A man wrote that into the bible. History is written by the victors of conflicts.
Hookman,
That is the only point I intended: The Bible is a factual compilation of history, letters from apostles, and testimonies of prophets and disciples.
So, I gave examples. The implication, if anything was not directly stated, is that atheists are brainwashed into believing the Bible is a fictitious creation. There are religious books which are completely invented: Book of Mormon and Scientology, for examples. However, the 66 individual writings called "the Bible" are each independent works produced over a period of more than 4,000 years.
taj 4 weeks ago
I could say a lot of things, but they've already been said and been responded to, been proven "wrong", been ignored or mis-charaterized and I don't need to see myself talk.
Modesto Man, I'll say this: I used to be like you. I knew everything and anybody that didn't agree with me was wrong. My thinking was small and I was very judgmental. Over the last 20 yrs, things changed.
A quote I read: "Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it." Reminds me of you.
taj,
While saying you know nothing, your statements really claim that YOU are right, and I am wrong.
You quote Andre Gide. Gide basically rebelled against religion and God. He considered them "puritanical". One of the reasons Gide needed to reject Christianity and social morality: he liked little boys.
You sure that is whose philosophy of life you want to choose over the teachings of my Father in Heaven and of Jesus?
P.S.- Gide was born into a French culture which had been defeated by the Satanists, who successfully incited a rebellion to overthrow the French monarchy. Their first rule of order, after beheading anyone who might resist them, was to remove the statement that France was a Christian nation.
All those famous French philosophers were just victims of the culture into which they were born. It was heavily influenced by the hand of "the Chairman".
Kovacs Jozsef 3 weeks ago
Jesus said,"For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another." This whole conversation sounds like it is authored by Satan, the father of contention.
Be careful with that one, Jozsef. My words to those who come here to rail against the truth are not in anger. In my comments to others, I am very clear and very blunt. But, there is no anger.
Peace.
MFM
So Man from Modesto, now that I am clear that this movie is the about the work of the devil and that the world has been living the lie of the devil. You also explained how the proof of God is massive ( which I already knew), please show me where I can find Massive proof that Christians are doing anything about it other than commenting on posts like this.
Hookman, the rejection of miracles is very strong in the U.S. Most American ministers working in casting out devils are rejected. They become missionaries. In Africa, Eastern Europe, and India, Christians follow the Great Commission.
In the U.S., you can find William Lau of the Elijah Challenge, Watchman Radio out of New York, and Dr. Pat Holliday... all who cast out devils, heal the sick, and preach the gospel.
Also, Hookman, commenting on posts like this absolutely sets people free. The devil teaches his followers "the battlefield is for the mind." Many lies bind the ability of non believers to comprehend the gospel. Destroying those lies opens the door for the truth to be received.
I have received many, many testimonies of people who have been helped by videos and writings on the Internet. It is productive work.
Of the course the battlefield is the mind. It has always been where the battle waged. I think some of the friction that comes from this posting and others is that some christians try to advise people as if they were Jesus and not a follower of Jesus. Destroying demons, lies and telling truths is fantastic. The problem of our world is that most people cant see past the immediate real issues in their face, like poverty, hunger, eviction and death. And many non believers dont believe or comprehend the Gospel becuase of the poor and limited Christian examples that exist in our world today. Or more to the point, the Phony Christian expamples.
Hookman,
Our individual inefficiencies and deficiencies are resolved first by the Hand of God. Next, we have the sacrifice of Jesus. "By his stripes we are healed." We have also the Holy Spirit, who teaches us and "leads us into all truth".
Truth is healing, and can save from death. "My people perish from lack of knowledge," Jesus said. King Solomon said money and wisdom can give you a good life, but only wisdom can save your life.
Information and understanding are important to living.
Along with feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, and defending the fatherless and widows, we are told to preach the gospel, heal the sick, and cast out devils.
Believing lies is a critical form of sickness. My article here, and hundreds of articles and videos elsewhere, are just part of my work for the Kingdom of God. The same is very likely true of those who comment in a way that distributes truth and encourages those who read them to draw near to God.
-MFM
MFM thank you for your reply. This is my point exactly. Wisdom is usually the result of experience in life. After all we are fighting an enemy that knows us better then we know ourselves. And the truth here and on other posts like this is exactly what is needed. Chrisitan lives must reflect the example of Jesus in every aspect. Keep up the good work brother.
Dave from Troy 3 days ago
I am so glad some people get it- The Chairman is the king of this world who goes by many names ie: Lucifer. Demons may not wave a scanner over your head to get you to change your mind about things like solar energy, to further Lucifer's plans for globalization and a one world government, but they infect politicians and people through media, and with subtle nudges here and there his plans fall in line. The real truth is they have control over your dreams as well and can adjust you in your sleep- but that sounds crazy... if you try and speak out.. you sound crazy... that is all by design as well and a warning in the movie. Ask yourself why Jesus did not want to fall asleep the night of his arrest. The world around us is controlled by Lucifer- he has his hand in every corporation and government and his plans are proceeding nicely- but the book is already written and we all know how the story ends. STICK TO THE PLAN- GOD'S PLAN
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viewer 17 months ago

Very well writter and backedup by historical facts .

Thank you, viewer.

Reader 17 months ago

God has a major emphasis on love:

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Ethan 16 months ago

Are you getting my point?

Ethan 16 months ago

What is good, and what is evil?

Here is an article about pharmakeia: http://calltodiscernment.blogspot.com/2009/11/bibl

Ethan 16 months ago

Ethan 16 months ago

It's all so trivial.

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Benedicto Charleston III 15 months ago

Your rejection of Jesus is exactly what the Chairman wants.

Whatever 15 months ago

Kid 15 months ago

Is there any explanation for the water detail?

Adam 14 months ago

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M.W.E. 11 months ago

The interpretation of the film in the article is correct.

Name 11 months ago

Ricky Gervais 11 months ago

There is no god, devil, demons, angels or witches, end of discussion.

Sheesh 11 months ago

Man from Modesto, you are quite a narcissist.

Sheesh: Do you know what that word means?

Greg 11 months ago

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thetruthisoutthere-wheredidiputit 9 months ago

Here is what I posted 7 months ago:

thetruthisoutthere-wheredidiputit 9 months ago

k! got mashed... saw god... wrote fictional story... discuss:)

SupaVal 8 months ago

Dr. Sam Paulson - College of the Holy Cross 8 months ago

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paul 7 months ago

look about at 6min30s. It deals with new age and stuff...

dave 7 months ago

@ man from Modesto(be patient english its not my native language)

Hookman29 7 months ago

MFM knows his stuff 7 months ago

Power 6 months ago

A film can never explain the mysteries of spirituality,