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Steve Dunne
From: Susan Ginsburg
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 7:58 AM
To: Dan Marcus; Steve Dunne
Cc: Chris Kojm; Team 5
Subject: Documents and Interviews

Dan and Steve,

This updates you on our document requests and interviews based on a team review.

OUTSTANDING DOC REQUESTS

1. We received the PENTTBOM detainee and related programs materials from DHS. The detainee materials
are not tied to the names or A-numbers, which makes them less useful. At this stage, however, I am
disinclined to go back to them on this. Because we do have the names, we can find the 302's and related
EC's to get insight into what occurred. The materials are informative about the immigration violations and
countries involved. We may submit a few QFR's relating to these programs.
2. We have NOT received the A-files. Mitnick indicated at the Ridge interview that they anticipated that the
Commission would contact a Congressional committee. I said that we would be unlikely to consider that
appropriate, and that he needed to speak with you Dan. These are important to us.
3. CIA Morean called last week and asked for a revision in Document Request 50 for docs sought by Team 5
on terrorist travel facilitators. This was reasonable and helpful and we are providing it to Steve Dunne
today.
4. Janice is completing the inspector interviews this week.

OTHER REQUESTS and INTERVIEWS

1. Saudi flights: docs, interviews, QFRs. Tom is well on his way, but will be taking more steps.
2. Still tracking pre-9/11 record on terrorist travel - manuals, hard drives. Kelly is planning some follow
ups/fill ins.
3. Update on targeting terrorist travelers from National Targeting Center -- this is per Gorelick-PDZ colloquy
at Commr briefing on use of databases, which raised a good question we had not considered.
4. DHS budget. We need to interview David Hahn at OMB and parts of his DHS team, (have discussed with
Kevin Scheid.) (SG-JKR)
5. Some policy related interviews if we can get them in. As PDZ said, we have concentrated on history rather
than policy. Some areas:
a. National identification standards
b. Private sector role in immigration related counterterrorism measures
c. Key figures on Mexico and Canada in the State/Administration
d. Major players on immigration policy as related to terrorism
e. More senior people in CIA on terrorist travel (Jolene provided the key names)

We recognize we may not get to these, but they represent our best vision at this point.

Susan

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Steve Dunne

From: Tom Eldridge

Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:27 AM
To: Steve Dunne
Subject: RE: document issue

These are documents about the travel of early 1990s terrorists contained in the files of the SONY prosecutors and
gleaned from the exhibit lists DOJ already provided to us. We believe we do not have the facts to complete our
work without them.
They are not yet part of any document request. I raised our ability to gain access to them with Faith and asked
her view on its feasibility.
Our goal was to get their agreement before we submitted any request to the FO to avoid any debate over whether
it would be too burdensome.
In order to lessen any difficulty, we also volunteered to send Walt and Kelly there to review records and seek to
copy what was relevant.
Yesterday, Faith said the SONY expressed reluctance with this approach.
I expect to hear from Faith today and will let you know what she says.

Original Message
From: Steve Dunne
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:02 PM
To: Tom Eldridge
Cc: Dan Marcus
Subject: document issue

What records are you referring to (and which document request)?

Original Message
From: Tom Eldridge
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:59 AM
To: Steve Dunne
Subject: RE: Interview with Gary Rickert

Steve -

FYI. In our effort to close out some loose ends for Teams 5 and 1, we have been making an
effort to gain access to some records in New York at the SONY.
I have been working with Faith Burton on this, and yesterday encountered some resistance from
the SONY via Faith. We are continuing to try and work this out, but I wanted to alert you to this
issue in light of our conversation with the Commissioners yesterday.

--Tom

Original Message
From: Steve Dunne
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:12 AM
To: staff
Subject: Interview with Gary Rickert

Is someone currently planning to interview a person named Gary Rickert in Los

Angeles on May 20 at 11:20 am? Please let me know asap if this name rings a

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bell. Thanks.

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Steve Dunne

From: William Johnstone i

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 8:51 AM
To: Steve Dunne ';
Cc: Team 7; 'JohnRaicj \: RE: outstanding document issues and interviews

Steve: Team 7 has some important outstanding issues with the FBI, but before we ask you for further help, we are
having a meeting over at the Bureau today on some of the items, and we want to coordinate with John Tamm on
the others.

Original Message
From: Steve Dunne
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:40 PM
To: Team Leaders
Cc: Front Office
Subject: outstanding document issues and interviews

Please let us know by return email by Thursday morning if your team has:

(a) any unresolved document/access issues that may require Front Office and/or
Commissioner attention, and
(b) any remaining interviews that may be of interest to the Front Office and/or
Commissioners.

If we don't hear from you, we will assume your team has nothing left in these categories.
Thanks.

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Steve Dunne

From: Christine Healey

Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:09 PM
To: Steve Dunne
Subject: RE: outstanding document issues and interviews

Steve -

We did a scrub of our outstanding document requests and have discussed them with the FBI and DoJ. I don't
think we are in the category of requiring Front Office attention yet.

In the category of remaining interviews that may be of interest to the Front Office, we recently had the thought of
talking to Admiral Poindexter about TIA and data mining.

Chris Healey

Original Message
From: Steve Dunne
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:40 PM
To: Team Leaders
Cc: Front Office
Subject: outstanding document issues and interviews

Please let us know by return email by Thursday morning if your team has:

(a) any unresolved document/access issues that may require Front Office and/or
Commissioner attention, and
(b) any remaining interviews that may be of interest to the Front Office and/or
Commissioners.

If we don't hear from you, we will assume your team has nothing left in these categories.
Thanks.

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Steve Dunne

From: Susan Ginsburg

Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 5:52 PM
To: Dan Marcus; Steve Dunne
Subject: FW: confirmation of list

Dan and Steve,

We have two sets of docs outstanding from ICE on the post-9-11 enforcement programs.

The first, bulleted below, is the list we agreed upon with representatives from the National Security Law Unit.
Other than the FOIA materials, these were documents that were shown to us and that we identified in the group
interview. Baruch was present at that interview. This list was sent to Melissa Mehring who attended the interview
as the notetaker, and I believe also to Dan Brown, but I cannot find the email in my sent box.

• Final cumulative list "Working Draft" tracking FBI clearances

• A sample of the clearance letters
• "The Baranick Declaration"
• The FOIA materials on the detainees (Susan Mathias)
• The declarations kept at the SIOC
The email below shows the documents we requested from the Detention and Removal unit (D&R) and
Investigations (INV). Again, we carefully went over with them what they had "on the shelf" or could easily pull for
us.

Thanks.

Susan

—Original Message
From: Susan Ginsburg
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:22 PM
To: 'Melissa.Mehring@dhs.gov'
Cc: Tom Eldridge; Walter Hempel; Dan Marcus; Steve Dunne; 'Brown, Daniel'; Joanne Accolla
Subject: confirmation of list

Melissa,

Thanks for your assistance with the meeting today with D&R and INV. We appreciated the information about
easily available material on the immigration-terrorism law enforcement programs covered by Commission DOJ
Doc. Req. No. 9. The list developed in the meeting is below.

Special interest detainees program

• The Microsoft database of special interest aliens (9-11 detainees) maintained by D&R and
provided to the IG and GAO

• The (a) citizenship country, (b) destination country, and (c) "decision code" (referring to final
disposition of immigration charges) for each of the 768 detainees identified by last name, first
name, and A number

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• The final summary of the special interest detainees program prepared by D&R

Alien_AbscQnd_er Initiative (AAI)

• The final closing report on AAI prepared by INV before turning the program over to D&R

• The total number of aliens in AAI placed in NCIC

• The number of AAI intelligence reports sent to the Department of Justice pursuant to the AAI
guidance memorandum from Deputy Attorney General Thompson to the Commissioner and
others on January 25, 2002

NCICLgenerally
• The total number of aliens currently entered into NCIC

NSEERS
• The closing report prepared by INV on the NSEERS program

Not covered by DOJ Doc. Req. No. 9:

National Security Law Unit docket

• The total number of immigration cases in the National Security Law Unit docket today

Thank you for your assistance. Please call Walt (358-358-3253) or myself (401-1474) with any questions.

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Steve Dunne

From: Mike Hurley

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 11:39 AM
To: Steve Dunne
Co: Team 3; Front Office
Subject: Outstanding document issues and interviews

Steve:

Per your request.

Documents:

• EOP Document Request 8—we're still waiting for production on this.

• DCI Document Request 57—we're waiting on full production on this request, which will
produce thousands of documents. Due date on this has not yet passed.

Interviews:

Note: Here's our list. We will have to make decisions as to which of these time will actually
allow us to do.

Principal Level

Condoleezza Rice (there has been some discussion of whether we need to meet with her
again; Commissioner Gorelick is interested in doing so; we're working with the Front
Office to determine if we have important enough questions remaining to warrant another
session)

George Tenet (there are some lingering mysteries following the public hearings that he
might be able to clear up; though we should consider whether QFRs might suffice here)

Senior Level

JCIA employee but we're interested in his time at the NSC)

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Note: Here's our list. We will have to make decisions as to which of these time will
actually allow us to do.

Principal Level

• Condoleezza Rice (there has been some discussion of whether we need to meet
with her again; Commissioner Gorelick is interested in doing so; we're working
with the Front Office to determine if we have important enough questions
remaining to warrant another session)

• George Tenet (there are some lingering mysteries following the public hearings
that he might be able to clear up; though we should consider whether QFRs
might suffice here)

Senior Level

1(CIA employee but we're interested in his time at the NSC)

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• Tony bata (Mkybe. For perspective on Clinton's first term)

• General Wayne; Downing

• MG Don >^rfiQk^i possible)

CIA

J, (This is set up for May 20 via SVTS from the Agency)

• Philip askedjjs'fo consider interviewin

DoD

Current Assisla'n^Secretary for SOL/0

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• Tony Lake (Maybe. For perspective on Clinton's first term)

• General Wayne Downing

• MG Don Kerrick (a possible)

CIA

I (This is set up for May 20 via SVTS from the Agency)

• Philip asked us to consider interviewing

DoD \ Current Assistant Secretary for SOLIC

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Steve Dunne

From: Mike Hurley

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:37 PM
To: Steve Dunne
Subject: FW: Outstanding document issues and interviews

Steve:

FYI.

Mike Hurley

—Original Message
From: Warren Bass
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:20 PM
To: Mike Hurley
Subject: RE: Outstanding document issues and interviews

Here's another stray: EOF declassified several White House docs before our March hearings. They included, as I
recall:

1. Jan. 25, 2001 Clarke memo to Rice (including Plan Delenda and Dec. 2000 strategy paper)
2. Cressey Sept. 2001 roadmap to Rice to run Sept. 4 PC
3. Final version of the draft NSPD (minus Annex A)

Jamie Gorelick told me at the time to make sure that we held onto those. My understanding is that these
documents have all been returned to the White House—even though they are no longer classified documents.

I mentioned this to Dan Marcus today, but we might want to raise again.

Original Message
From: Mike Hurley
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 11:39 AM
To: Steve Dunne
Cc: Team 3; Front Office
Subject: Outstanding document issues and interviews

Steve:

Per your request.

Documents:

• EOP Document Request 8—we're still waiting for production on this.

• DCI Document Request 57—we're waiting on full production on this request,

which will produce thousands of documents. Due date on this has not yet
passed.

Interviews:

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Steve Dunne
From: jolenml [jolenml@ucia.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:43 AM
To: Alexis Albion; Steve Dunne; Mike Hurley
Subject: 12058 vice 8000 cables

the survey done by the people who will do the production of all the cables you've asked for in DCI DR#57,
item 3 indicate that the count is actually 12,058 vice 8000.