Liphe Guru said: Do we have to consult the previous scriptures to understand the Quran?

August 28, 2013 at 11:58pm Now that most people with at least two functioning brain cells have seen through the "Obey the messenger means obey Bukhari" sophistry, a new line of attack on the "meaning" of Quran is being witnessed. This new game although not orchestrated by the Hadith peddling crowd, has the exact same potential for distortion of Islam. Since the bulk of distortions in the sect scene's version of Islam can be traced to Jewish and Christian secondary sources, it is impossible to note the similarities. So now it's all about referring to the "uncorrupted" Tawrah and Injil.

My Response:
Allah says: Do not tasubb (INSULT) those unto whom they pray beside Allah, fayasubb (LEST THEY INSULT) Allah adwan (IN ENMITY) bighayri (WITHOUT) il'min (KNOWLEDGE)... Sura 6:108...

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Why do Muslims like Liphe insult Allahs Quran by insulting other revelations of Allah? He alleges that there is a new line of attack on the meaning on the Quran also adding insult to injury claiming its a new game putting it on the same line as those who calls to Hadith. He claims that distortions can be trace back to Jewish and Christians sources we must be referring to uncorrupted Tawrah and Injil. He didnt heed the words of Allah when Allah says not to insult others who pray but this isnt the peoples prayer hes insulting the Book(s). Not only is he insulting the Book(s) hes insulting the Quran because the Quran refers to, appeals to the same very books he claim are corrupted.

Why is Allah instructing the Hudan back to a corrupted Tawrah?

"Say: "O people of the Scripture, you are not upon anything until you uphold the TAWRAH AND THE INJIL AND ALL AND WHAT WAS SENT DOWN TO YOU FROM YOUR LORD." And for many of them, what was sent down to you from your Lord will only increase them in transgression and rejection. So do not feel sorry for the rejecting people." Sura 5/68

, if the Tawrah, Injil are corrupted or if the Tawrah is the same Qur'an we are reading why is Allah telling Ahlul Kitab to uphold corrupted books or to uphold ALL of the Books of Allah instead of just calling them to uphold the Qur'an?

Not all of Ahlul Kitab were guilty and disbelievers and among them were those who uphold the Tawrah, believed in it, followed it...
"And from the people of the Scripture are those who believe in Allah and what unzila (was sent) down to you and what unzila (was sent) down to them; fearful to Allah, they do not purchase with His revelations a cheap price. These will have their reward with their Lord. Allah is quick in reckoning." Sura 3/199 Allah says and from Ahlul Kitab are those who BELIEVE in the Qur'an in what was sent to them, Tawrah, Injil... and they are fearful of Allah and they don't purchase with His revelations a cheap price. How can they believe in a Book revealed to the Prophet Muhammad if they are the same Book as the Tawrah or do the believing Ahlul Kitab have their own copies and the
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disbelieving Ahlul Kitab have the corrupted copies? How can they believe in a corrupted book they have with them if its corrupted? If their books are corrupted then it doesn't make sense Allah says they don't purchase with His revelations a cheap price does it? "And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, you will see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognize the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! we have believed (amanna); write us down among the witnesses (Shahadin)" Sura 5/83 Since they have corrupted books how can they RECOGNIZE the truth within it? Liphe said: The disturbing thing to notice is that it is coming from those who claim to be reading the Quran "carefully". Lets get one thing out of the way, since their claim mirrors the Orientalist's claim that Quran does not say that previous scriptures are in a corrupted state, let us see what the Quran actually says. Here is the verse which clearly says that the Children of Israel twist/distort/corrupt and forgot the words of the Dhikr and if we read the very next verse it says exactly the same thing about the Christians. So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort ( ) words from their proper places usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. Quran 5:13 My Response: What some of our Muslim brothers/sisters like Liphe fail to realize is the ayat says nothing about changing words from the text of the Scripture. In fact, when we consult the earliest Muslim views we soon discover that the Jews were accused of changing words by misinterpreting the text. So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. yuarrifna (THEY DISTORT) kalima (THE WORDS) an (FROM) mawiihi (THEIR PALCES) and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded.

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And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. Sura 5:13

Allah informs us of the punishment He inflicted upon them when they violated His Covenant. Allah says:
because of their breach of their covenant, We have cursed them, that is, because they broke their pact, Allah expelled them from His Guidance. And <made their hearts grow hard> so they will not accept their guilt. The verse, < yuarrifna (THEY DISTORT) kalima (THE WORDS) an (FROM) mawiihi (THEIR PALCES) > means THEY MISINTERPRETED THE VERSES OF ALLAH, according to their own desires, and fabricated lies against Him. And indeed, there is among them lafarqan (A GROUP) who yalwna (DISTORT) the Scripture alsinatahum (WITH THEIR TONGUES) so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, "This is from Allah ," but it is not from Allah. And they speak untruth about Allah while they know. Sura 3:78 Allah says none can change His Words however, as what Muslims do with the Quran, the Jews and Nazarenes ALTER AND DISTORT THEIR APPARENT MEANINGS. The Tawrah and Injil REMAIN AS ALLAH REVEALED THEM, AND NO LETTER IN THEM WAS REMOVED. However, again just like Muslims do with Hadith and Sunnah, these Rabbis misguide others by addition and false interpretation of the Tawrah, Injil along with the Quran, relying on books that they wrote themselves. Its no wonder they say: "This is from Allah," but it is not from Allah. They corrupt the word mean they alter or change its meaning. Yet no one is able to change even a single word from any Book of Allah. The meaning is that they interpret the word wrongly. I dont follow any Hadith or Sunnah yet we are told that the Tawrah and Injil has been corrupted. Where did this come from? Did it come from the Quran, no. Did it come from Hadith or Sunnah books well, for the sake of argument let us investigate a bit in terms of what did the Scholars of the Sunnah and Hadith have to say about the Tawrah. Muslims will be quick to say that the Quran explicitly states that the Tawrah [tahrif]. A popular thought amongst Muslims today is that tahrif implies they changed the text of the Tawra.

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I would suggest and encourage you, Muslim or not to reject this opinion that is held by the majority in favour of the earliest and most credible sources which explicitly state the text of the Tawrah is intact, but Banu Yisrael misinterpreted it.

Ibn Abbas Misinterpreted the text

They corrupt the word means they alter or change its meaning, yet no one is able to change even a single word from any Book of God. The meaning is that they interpret the word wrongly (Kitaab Al-Tawheed, Baab Qawlu Allah Taala, Bal Huwa Quraanun Majeed, fi lawhin Mahfooth) and The word Tahrif [corruption] signifies to change a thing from its original nature; and there is no man who could corrupt a single word of what proceeds from God, so that the Jews and Christians could corrupt only by misrepresenting the meanings of the word of God (Muhammad Ismail al-Bukhari, quoted in Hughes Dictionary of Islam, p.62) these ahadith indicate that those who walked with the Prophet (PBUH) believed the text of the Torah was original, while holding the view that the Jews perverted their interpretation. 154 AH 164 years after the Prophets (PBUH) death

Ibn al-Layth Misinterpreted the text

In the year 796 Abu l-Rabi Muhammad ibn al-Layth (a courtier to Kalif Harun al-Rashid ) penned a letter to Constatine VI stating that the word tahrif should be read as the Jews had distorted their sense. Whoever looks in the books of the prophets will find Muhammad (PBUH) mentioned, but the people of the book have obscured these references by changing their interpretation. Ibn al-Layth categorically denies the possibility of passages having been added to, or omitted from, the scriptures, and he then goes on to use the text of the Torah as proof of the authenticity of the Torah (a belief both he and the kalif share). Risalat Abi l-Rabi Muhammad ibn al-Layth allati katabaha li-l-Rashod ila Qustantin malik al-Rum
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213 AH 223 years after the Prophets (PBUH) death

Ibn Rabban Misinterpreted the text

In the year 855 Ali ibn Rabban al-Tabari reaffirmed what al-Layth said before him, that the Jews distorted their interpretation of the scriptures and not of the text itself. Both
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al-Layth and ibn Rabban connected prophecies contained in the Torah to Muhammad (PBUH).
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Kitab al-din al-dawla

c 190 AH 200 years after the Prophets (PBUH) death

Ibn Qutayba Misinterpreted the text

Ibn Qutayba used the Torah as a proof that the coming of Muhammad (PBUH) had been foretold by the Torah throughout his numerous works like al-Layth he used the Torah as source of authentic historical reference. There can be no question that Ibn Qutayba believed tahrif to mean incorrect interpretation of a genuine text. c 230 AH 240 years after the Prophets (PBUH) death

Al-Yaqubi Misinterpreted the text

Ahmad al-Yaqubi accepted evidence from the Torah throughout his works. This stands as a testament to his belief that the Torah was uncorrupted, as no scholar would use a corrupted text as a source of proof. c 250 AH 260 years after the Prophets (PBUH) death

Al-Tabari Misinterpreted the text

Abu Jafar Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabar explains two separate instances of the word tahrif in the Torah: 1. When Moses ordered the Israelites to express their repentance, they used a phrase other than the one they had been commanded to use. The distortion that was an oral one, and not written. 2. Al-Tabari explicitly states that when the seventy elders that had accompanied Moses (PBUH) to Mount Sinai returned to the Israelites, some of them gave a false report of what they heard, distorting G-ds spoken words, but not the written Torah.
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c 290 AH 300 years after the Prophets (PBUH) death

Al-Baqillani Misinterpreted the text

Abu Bakr Muhammad ibn al-Tayyib al-Baqillani was of the opinion that the words of Moses were still extant in their Hebrew original and that the Jews had inadvertently made mistakes in their translations. 305 AH 315 years after the Prophets (PBUH) death

Al-Masudi Misinterpreted the text

Abu al-Hasan Ali ibn al-Husayn ibn Ali al-Masudi wrote that in the context of the Torah the word tahrif means that the Jews had distorted the sense of the Torah and not the text.
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Muruj adh-dhahab wa maadin al-jawahir

c 340 AH 350 years after the Prophets (PBUH) death

Al-Muqaddasi Changed the text

Al-Muqaddasi was the first author to deviate from the traditional understanding of tahrif with his suggestion that the very text of the Torah had suffered distortion. It took 300 years for a scholar to suggest this innovative idea and despite it being incompatible with the view of far greater scholars before him, it is this view that is most popular today. 390 AH 400 years after the Prophets (PBUH) death

Ibn Hazm Changed the text

The most influential accusation of Jews falsifying the text of the Torah came 400 years after the death of Muhammad (PBUH) from Ibn Hazm an Andalusian scholar that denied Mosiac authorship and instead charged Ezra (Uzair) with penning the text we read today. This was a radical change from predecessors like Ibn Qutayba and Al7|Page

Tabari who not only believed the original words were extant, but that it was Ezra who reinstated them after they had been forgotten.
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Al-Fisal fi al-Milal wal-Ahwa wal-Nihal

390 AH 400 years after the Prophets (PBUH) death

al-Biruni Misinterpreted & changed the text

Abu Rayan al-Biruni a contemporary of Ibn-Hazm found prophetic allusions to Muahammad (PBUH) in the Torah , while simultaneously holding the belief that some of the words had been altered by Banu Yisrael. So here we have it only three Scholars believed that the Tawrah was changed, the rest of them believed that the Tawrah was quoted out of context. This is not corruption at all. In classical Arabic, this word [tahrif] can either mean alteration (in the text), or misinterpretation (in the sense). While most of contemporary Muslim propagandists take only the first possible meaning into consideration, plenty of authoritative scholars of old (including Imam al-Ghazali and Shaykh Muhiddin Ibn Arabi) prefer the second one, and support their point of view through ahadith which are universally accepted as authentic. According to one of them, the Prophet Muhammad asked the Jews of Medina to bring their Torah Scroll and to read from it to confirm a verdict (and the argument is were that Scroll adulterated, the Prophet would have never judged on its base). According to another hadith, he met Jews who were bringing a Torah Scroll in procession, kissed the Scroll and said amantu bika wa amantu bima fik (I believe in you and in yours contents). The argument here is were that Scroll adulterated, the Prophet would have never said I believe in your contents.. As a Muslim scholar, I think that showing all these and other legal proof in Islam is the best way to lead Muslims to recognize the Divine character of the Torah as the Jews have it today. What is the actual Arabic word Liphe is looking for that means corrupt?

kh b lm ( ) Kh-Ba-Lam = To be or become corrupted, unsound, vitiated or

disordered in intellect or reason, become possessed or insane, be lost, cut off, deprived of heart or reason. Prevent or hinder from doing a thing. Affliction, trouble, difficulty, distress, fatigue. Seek to corrupt, render unsound, occasioning to agitation like that of possession or insanity, by disease affecting the reason and thought. Difficulty in people
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in which they see not happiness. Egregious stupidity or foolishness, heedlessness or weakness of intellect, state of perdition or destruction. Disordered in the legs so as not to know how to walk. Going/passing/wasting away, being consumed or destroyed. To lend. Jinn, devil, mankind. Allah says: O ye who believe! Take not for intimates others than your own folk, who would spare no pains to khablan (RUIN) you; they love to hamper you. Hatred is revealed by (the utterance of) their mouths, but that which their breasts hide is greater. We have made plain for you the revelations if ye will understand. Sura 3/118 Had they gone forth with you, they would not have increased you except khablan (IN RUIN / CONFUSION), and they would have been active among you, seeking [to cause] you fitnah. And among you are avid listeners to them. And Allah is Knowing of the wrongdoers. Sura 9/47

Another word is Fa-Sin-Dal to become evil/corrupted, invalid,

decomposed, bad/spoiled/tainted, wrong, vicious, make mischief or foul deal. fasad corruption/violence. Allah says: So they defeated them by permission of Allah , and David killed Goliath, and Allah gave him the kingship and prophethood and taught him from that which He willed. And if it were not for Allah checking [some] people by means of others, would lafasadati (CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE CORRUPTED the earth, but Allah is full of bounty to the worlds. Sura Now ask yourself this question Liphe, does Allah use ( ) Kh-Ba-Lam or Fa-SinDal in relation to the Tawrah or the Injil? Both words have the implications of ruin, corruption so if you speak the truth present a clear ayat that describes the Tawrah as such. So what exactly is the Dhikr in both Quran 5:13 and 5:14 which was forgotten and whose words were moved from its places?

To elaborate further:
So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. yuarrifna (THEY DISTORT) kalima (THE WORDS) an (FROM) mawiihi
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(THEIR PALCES) and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. Sura 5:13 The Arabic word Allah uses is Ha-Ra-Fa To pervert, dislocate, change, turn away, discard anything from, alter, tamper with. To turn a thing from its proper way or manner, mistranscribe a word, earn or gain subsistence or labour to do so for one's family or household, suffer the loss of property, turn away or aloof, to be debarred from the means of subsistence, to be made to experience difficulty, straitened in means of subsistence, have one's earnings or gain turned away from him.

In any of the ayats does Allah say they distorted the written Tawrah, the written Words of Allah?
"Do you covet, that they would believe for you while farqun (A PARTY) min'hum (OF THEM) yasmana (HEAR) kalma (THE WORDS) of Allah and yuarrifnahu (THEN THEY DISTORT) it after they had understood it while they were knowing?" Sura 2/75

Allah explains this is what they used to do:

"Among the Jews yuarrifna (THEY DISTORT) kalima (THE WORDS) from mawiihi (THEIR PROPER PLACES) and say, "We hear and disobey" and "Hear but be not heard" and "Ra'ina," twisting their tongues and defaming the religion. And if they had said [instead], "We hear and obey" and "Wait for us [to understand]," it would have been better for them and more suitable. But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few." Sura 4/46 "O Messenger, let them not grieve you who hasten into disbelief of those who say, "We believe" with their mouths, but their hearts believe not, and from among the Jews. [They are] avid listeners to falsehood, listening to another people who have not come to you. yuarrifna (THEY DISTORT) kalima (THE WORDS) min (FROM) badi (AFTER) mawiihi (THEIR CONTEXT), saying "If you are given this, take it; but if you are not given it, then beware." But he for whom Allah intends fitnah never will you possess [power to do] for him a thing against Allah. Those are the ones for whom Allah does not intend to purify their hearts. For them in this world is disgrace, and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment." Sura 5/41

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There is not one ayat Allah alluding to a corrupted Tawrah at all. Again, what has been presented is that they misinterpreted the text. Muslims do the same today with the Quran.

Yet, Liphe said:

And Quran 5:13 just nails it :) If concealing and rearranging parts of the scripture is not corrupting it then what is? After the above verses are brought to one's attention, if one still keeps on insisting that these verses are not enough or the more illogical position that they are not referring to the Towrah and Injil just because the words Towrah and Injil are not used then it will be easy to conclude that it is nothing but a case of intellectual dishonesty, especially when the whole narration has to do with Children of Israel. Actually you don't need quotes from the Quran to prove that the previous scriptures are tampered with and thus corrupted. As far as evidence of Quran being the very word of God goes, there is plenty. Just because somebody hasn't taken the trouble to discover it doesn't mean it is not there by the truckload. Both positions can be independently verified by applying the test of non-contradiction, a Quranic standard. Then there is the bizarre position that since Muslims also distort the Quran it is acceptable that those who distorted the previous scripture were not any different. The issue is not who distorted what, the issue is that the previous scriptures stand distorted irrespective of whether the Quran is distorted or not. And the Quran says that they are distorted and when we apply the various tools at our disposal it confirms the distortions. One can play the semantics game but anything not in its original form is distorted Period. And that is the difference!!!

My Response: "O People of the Book, surely there has come to you our Messenger, making clear to you much of what you used to tukh'funa (CONCEAL) of the scripture wa-ya'fu an kathira (AND OVER LOOKING /FORGIVING MUCH). Surely has come to you from Allah a
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light and a clear book" Sura 5/15 The Arabic word 'tukh'funa' comes from the root KHA-FA-YA which carries the meaning of what is unapparent / has become imperceptible / has become dim to the sight / or suppressed, or obscured to the mind. It also carries the meaning of something which has become 'concealed'. Therefore, the Quran within context of its Arabic usage clearly recognized that certain aspects of the previous scriptures had become gradually concealed and deemed it fit to expound on some of them. It was also not the intention of the Quran to deal with each and every narrative of the Bible hence the term 'wa-yafu an kathiran' (forgive, pardon, pass over, relinquish or remit a whole or part or indeed pardon much). No matter what we think we believe about the previous books it is clear that something was being read by Ahlul Kitab 'contemporaneous' and 'coexistent' with the Prophetic ministry which the Quran recognized. This also does not negate the fact that there would have also been a lot of traditions which were in situ as mainstay beliefs in certain communities of Ahlul Kitab. Thus, at times certain Gospels / Canonical Books of the New Testament were given more emphasis in different churches. Therefore, what the Quran addressed were 'beliefs and doctrines' of the time of the ministry that the Prophet Muhammad came into contact with in 7th century Arabia which may not have always been 'scriptural' but also partly held in traditions and general theology. The Quran within context of its Arabic usage clearly recognized that certain aspects of the previous scriptures had become gradually concealed and deemed it fit to expound on some of them. It was also not the will of Allah revealing the Quran to deal with each and every narrative of the Canonical Hebrew, Nazarene Scriptures hence the term 'wa-yafu an kathiran' (forgive, pardon, pass over, relinquish or remit a whole or part or indeed pardon much). Therefore, the Quran also acted as a 'guard' over the previous scriptures to confirm (musaddiqan) aspects of the previous scriptures that it deemed necessary to expound upon and to determine what is true and false of its interpretation. To you We revealed the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that is between the hands (coexistent Tawrah and Bible), wa-muhayminan (and guarding it by determining what is true and false.)" Sura 5:48
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As with the Quran, it is not the text which gives rise to erroneous interpretations but the theology that is 'often read' into the scriptures. This is as true for the the Tawrah, the Injil as well as is true for the Quran such as the theology of Hadith and Sunnah and the Shites belief in the 12 Imams and Ahlul bayt. Allah says: Shall I seek other than Allah for judge, when He it is Who hath revealed unto you (this) Scripture, fully explained? Those unto whom We gave the Scripture (aforetime) know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of mum'tarna (the ones who doubt). watammat (And has been) fulfilled kalimatu ( the Word) of you Lord id'qan (in truth) waadlan (and justice). L (No) mubaddila (one can change) likalimtihi (HIS WORDS). He is the Hearer, the Knower. Sura 6:114-115 "And certainly We gave Moses the Scripture, so do not be in mir'yatin (doubt) liqaihi (encountering it) and We made it a guide for the Children of Israel" Sura 32:23 Hence, we have the Arabic word 'liqai' (the 'hi' simply being a pronoun) comes from the root word 'Lam-Qaf-Ya' which means: 1) to encounter 2) meet 3) see 4) come across 5) or see face to face What does Allah mean by And certainly We gave Moses the Scripture, so do not be in mir'yatin (doubt) liqaihi (ENCOUNTERING IT) The same Arabic word mir'yatin (doubt) used in Sura 32:23 is also used in the following: So is one who [stands] upon a clear evidence from his Lord [like the aforementioned]? And a witness from Him follows it, and before it was the Scripture of Moses to lead and as mercy. Those [believers in the former revelations] believe in the Qur'an. But whoever disbelieves in it from the various factions - the Fire is his promised destination. So be not in mir'yatin (DOUBT) min'hu (about it). Indeed, it is the truth from your Lord, but most of the people do not believe. Sura 11:17

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So do not be in mir'yatin (DOUBT), as to what these [polytheists] are worshipping. They worship not except as their fathers worshipped before. And indeed, We will give them their share undiminished. Sura 11:109 But those who disbelieve will not cease to be in mir'yatin (DOUBT) of it until the Hour comes upon them unexpectedly or there comes to them the punishment of a barren Day. Sura 22:55 All of the above ayats mentions being not to be in doubt, or not to contend now in Sura 41:54 we have doubt and meeting as we have in Sura 32:23, Allah says: "And certainly We gave Moses the Scripture, so do not be in mir'yatin (DOUBT) liqaihi (ENCOUNTERING IT) and We made it a guide for the Children of Israel" Sura 32:23 Unquestionably, they are in mir'yatin (DOUBT) min (ABOUT) liqi (MEETING) with their Lord. Unquestionably He is, of all things, encompassing. Sura 41:54 So based upon the Quran alone, Allah tells us not to contend, be in doubt about meeting, encountering, or being face to face with the Book of Moses. Allah says: Shall I seek other than Allah for judge, when He it is Who hath revealed unto you (this) Scripture, fully explained? Those unto whom We gave the Scripture (aforetime) know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of mum'tarna (the ones who doubt). watammat (And has been) fulfilled kalimatu ( the Word) of you Lord id'qan (in truth) waadlan (and justice). L (No) mubaddila (one can change) likalimtihi (HIS WORDS). He is the Hearer, the Knower. Sura 6:114-115 Unfortunately, some of our Muslims Brothers/Sisters like Liphe, believe that this ayat refers to the decrees or laws of Allah regarding, for instance, who will be allowed to accept the guidance. They then claim that these ayats isnt referring to his Books per se. Yet, there is nothing in the immediate context which rules out the Books from being part of the words which Allah claims can never be changed. In fact, there are Muslims who go so far as to use passages such as the above to prove that the Quran cannot be abrogated or changed: The claim of corruption is in complete contempt of Allah's words in the Quran:

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"kalimatu ( the Word) of you Lord id'qan (in truth) waadlan (and justice). L (No) mubaddila (one can change) likalimtihi (HIS WORDS).." Sura 6:115 "A.L.R. This is a book u'kimat (perfected) its AYATS" Sura 11:1 "l (No) tabdla (change) likalimti (is there in the Words) of Allah Sura 10:64 As is plainly clear from the above Quranic words, Not I, but Allah asserts that the words of the Quran are perfect, harbour no contradictions and cannot be change. Yet sadly these some of these so called scholars and Muslims who have followed blindly to have invented the greatest lie against the Quran, claiming that there are verses in the Quran that abrogate and invalidate other verses. So now we have the Word of Allah is synonymous with the Qur'an which Allah promised to preserve intact until the Day of Judgment, and it is this Divine pledge which has ensured that no mortal has ever had the audacity of implementing changes in it, not a word, not a mark of punctuation, not a correction, not an abbreviation, no editing, no errata, no prologues nor any epilogues, - nothing. However, by the same token, if Allah promised to preserve His Word which includes the Quran, then this must also include all the other revealed books since they too are Allah's Word are they not. Thus, if the Quran is correct, then none of Allah's books can be changed, which means that the Tawrah, Injil and other Books revealed has remained intact! Allah again and again tells us that There is none who can change His words" This is a challenge that the Quran, the revealed word of Allah, will never, like the earlier divine scriptures, be tampered with or made to lose its originality and genuineness. Yet, we have heavy assertions by our Muslim community that the previous scriptures have been altered fails to take the Quran seriously and/or apply it consistently. If the Tawrah, Injil or the Canonical Scriptures is the word of Allah, then it too cannot be altered. Note the following: 1. No one can change the words of Allah. 2. Tawrah, Zabur, Injil is revelation from Allah.

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3. Therefore, no one has or can change the Tawrah, Zabur and Injil. Here we can see that there was a punishment from Allah sent to those who divided the Quran and made the Quran into parts. This is so serious that they also will be question by Allah. Allah says: "As we sent down (PUNISHMENT) on muq'tasimna (THOSE WHO DIVIDED) those who made jaal (HAVE MADE) the Quran ina (IN PARTS) fawarabbika (SO BY YOUR LORD) lanasalannahum (SURELY WE WILL QUESTION THEM) ajmana (ALL) about what they used to do. Sura 15:90-91 Deserving of punishment all because they divided it into parts I mean looking at the ayat this is serious. Yes, it is a confirmation of what is between its Hands which is the Torah, Injil. This clearly confirms that the previous Scriptures are intact and the Qur'an is a confirmation of it and guardian yet the Qur'an says that the previous Scriptures also confirm the Qur'an.

Allah says about the so called Scattered Books of Moses:

They measured not Allah with a true measure when they said, Allah has not sent down aught on any mortal. Say: Who sent down the Book that Moses brought as a light and a guidance to men? YOU PUT IT Iqarsa (NTO PARCHMENTS), tub'dnah (YOU DISCLOSE SOME OF IT), watukh'fna (AND HIDING) kathran (MUCH); and you were taught that you knew not, you and your fathers. Then leave them alone, playing their game of plunging. This is a Book We have sent down, blessed AND CONFIRMING THAT WHICH bayna yadayhi (THEY HAVE IN THEIR HANDS) Sura 6:91-92 Now the question is ==> Iqarsa (NTO PARCHMENTS) <== SCATTERING the Book that Moses received into HALF TRUTH? Allah says that they put it into PARCHMENTS some of it they revealed and some of it they concealed. This ayat does not say anything about them corrupting the Book of Allah given to Moses. Allah uses the same word ==> Iqarsa <== in: "And even if We had sent down to you, kitban (A WRITTEN SCRIPTURE) fi (IN) qir'sin (A PARCHMENT) and they touched it with their hands, the disbelievers
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would say, "This is not but obvious magic." Sura 6/7 Allah says those who divided the Quran into parts was deserving of punishment, what Quran was this Allah is referring to Liphe? Have you not seen this particular ayat? Allah mentions the Book of Moses yet Allah says: This is a Book We have sent down, blessed AND CONFIRMING THAT WHICH bayna yadayhi (THEY HAVE IN THEIR HANDS) Sura 6:92 Allah still makes it very clear that this Book of Moses is still with them and the Quran came confirming the point that this Book is still with them. You are similar to the Sunnis you want to Slander the Tawrah, the Injil yet something happened to the Quran as well you wont slander the Quran though. This is a major contradiction you have to face up to.

The hidden Origin of Islam

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Liphe said:
If one still insists on this impossible position then the only logical conclusion is they are not interested in getting to the truth of the matter. If I were to insist that show me a verse in the Quran by name that says that we should read yes it should say read the Tawrah before we can understand the Quran, again by name then what will be your reaction? Quran is what it is and nobody can demand how it should convey a point. Furthermore, in spite of the clear failure to understand the facts behind the impossible to carry the argument that Quran cannot be proved to be the very word of God, it can be and once again there is plenty of evidence to support it and there nothing that matches it with the same degree of certainty for any other claims of Revelations currently in circulation. None whatsoever Allow me to try and put the verses where it is stated that we should refer to those who had previously received the message in perspective. The first thing we note in all the related verse is that not once we were asked to refer to a previous message, it is always to the people who were given the message. And the repeated use of the past tense to qualify it to be a guide and a reminder is important. Because Quran 15:9 is in the present tense and it is an unqualified declaration. It is also clear as to what happened in
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the past to those who were given the message and in fact made the custodian of the message and they very well knows what happened. As to what happened is also very clear from the following verse; Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers. Quran 5:44 Of course God has given additional indication to clarify for us the picture. When it comes to the people of the Book, their obligations have been considerably been reduced, in fact they have been reduced to the bare minimum, which reflect what has clearly survived in the previous messages in spite of the "words moved" that is. Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans - those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve. Quran 2:62 In contrast the Muslims have been given much more responsibilities in relation to the current status of the people of the Book. We also note that previously when they had the uncorrupted version of the message their responsibilities were even more than the Muslims of today. Why would God do that? As to the issue of different versions of the Quran, it is also very clear that with the exception of two or possibly three words that alter the meaning of a verse all other changes has to do with the written variation in terms of spelling and pronunciations. Not only that but these two to three instances does not touch on either the core theological positions nor change any Hukum. In fact it is even possible to choose from the two possible versions resulting from these changes rather easily by putting the verse in context. To now compare this with hundreds of verses and words of the previous scripture moved and hidden and changed is simply not wanting to understanding the issue.

I will add more later but objective of my post is not to malign other faiths but to point what the Quran's position is on the issue ....
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My Response:
The Quran has used for phrases speaking of groups of Jews or Nazarenes at the time of Prophet Muhammad spoken of as believers or unbelievers in order to emphasize that there were always some true believers who would not have changed their own scriptures. "That which we have revealed to you of the Book is the truth, attesting to (the truth of) that which is bayna yadayhi (IS BETWEEN HIS HANDS) (THE TAWRAH AND THE GOSPEL) Sura 35/31 "This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; but it is a verification of that bayna yadayhi (IS BETWEEN HIS HANDS) (THE TAWRAH AND THE GOSPEL), and the explanation of the book, wherein there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds." Sura 10/37 "...It (the Qur'an) is not a fabricated story, but a verification of that which bayna yadayhi (IS BETWEEN HIS HANDS) (THE TAWRAH AND THE GOSPEL), a detailed explanation, a guide and a mercy to the people who believe." Sura 12/111 Wamin qablihi (AND BEFORE IT), was kitbu (THE BOOK OF MOSES) imman (AS A GUIDE) waramatan (AND A MERCY). Wahdh (AND THIS) kitbun (THIS IS A BOOK) muaddiqun (CONFIRMING) in the Arabic tongue; to admonish the unjust, and as Glad Tidings to those who do right. Sura 46/12 "Behold, We turned towards you a company of Jinns listening to the Qur'an...When the (reading) was finished they returned to qawmihim (THEIR PEOPLE) as warners. They said, ` yqawman (O OUR PEOPLE)! we have heard kitban (A BOOK) revealed badi (AFTER) Moses muaddiqan (CONFIRMING) lima (WHAT) bayna yadayhi (IS BETWEEN HIS HANDS) (THE TAWRAH AND THE GOSPEL) guiding to the truth and to a straight path.'" Sura 46/29-30 When it is said to them, "Believe in what Allah Hath sent down, "they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us:" yet they reject all besides, even if it be Truth muaddiqan (CONFIRMING) lima (WHAT) maahum (IS WITH THEM). Say: "Why then have ye slain the prophets of Allah in times gone by, if ye did indeed believe?" Sura 2/89 And when a messenger from Allah came to them confirming that which maahum
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(WAS WITH THEM), farqun (A GROUP / PARTY) of those who had been given the Scripture threw the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they did not know. Sura 2/101 The Qur'an is an Arabic "verification / confirmation" of the Book of Moses which is necessary because the people in the Prophets time couldn't understand what "the two group before" them had LEARNED by "assiduous study"; or they would have followed it better". Assiduous: 1. Constant in application or attention; diligent: an assiduous worker who strove for perfection. See Synonyms at busy. 2. Unceasing; persistent: assiduous research. And when there comes unto them a Scripture (the Qur'an) from Allah, muaddiqun (CONFIRMING) lima (WHAT IS) maahum (WITH THEM) although before they used to pray for victory against those who disbelieved but [then] when there came to them that which araf (THEY RECOGNIZED), they disbelieved bihi (IN IT); so the curse of Allah will be upon the disbelievers.. Sura 2/89

THE TRUE ULEMA / SCHOLARS of this DEEN of Islam are the LEARNED / SCHOLARS of the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL:
And has it not been yatan (A SIGN) that yalamahu (KNOW IT) ulamu (THE SCHOLARS / LEARNED) of THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL? Sura 26/197

Allah says about people like you Liphe, those who believe in part of the Quran and disbelieve in part of the Quran:

Do not tasubb (INSULT) those unto whom they pray beside Allah, fayasubb (LEST THEY INSULT) Allah adwan (IN ENMITY) bighayri (WITHOUT) il'min (KNOWLEDGE)... Sura 6:108...
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We have to study this ayat very carefully, Allah forbids us from insulting others whom they serve besides Allah. Yet, Allah doesnt even mention about a previous Scripture that He revealed. If we are not supposed to insult others whom they serve besides Allah we have no right in slandering previous Scriptures that we may not agree with or that we feel has been distorted. Allah says: Then, you are those [same ones who are] killing one another and evicting a party of your people from their homes, cooperating against them in sin and aggression. And if they come to you as captives, you ransom them, although their eviction was forbidden to you. afatu'minna (SO DO YOU BELIEVE) bibai (IN PART) kitbi (OF THE BOOK) watakfurna (AND DISEBELIEVE) bibain (IN PART)? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do. Sura 2/85 "Hast thou not turned your vision to those who were given a portion of the Book? They buy and sell error... Of the Jews there are those who change the words from their (right) places, and say: `we hear and we disobey'; and `hear what is not heard', and `Ra'ina' with a twist of their tongues and a slander to faith. If only they had said: `We hear and we obey'; and `Do hear'; and `Do look at us'; it would have been better for them and more upright; but God has cursed them for their unbelief; and they will not believe except a few. O you to whom the Book came, believe in what We sent down (the Qur'an), attesting to (the truth of) what IS WITH YOU (the Tawrah), before we deface your countenances..." Sura 4:44-47 As in the preceding passage the charge is made against "those" (some) of the Jews "who change the words"; but here several examples are given - examples where Qurans words are being altered. What people do from the Jews to the Muslims even Jews was to twist words and expressions, so as to ridicule the most solemn teaching of Faith. Where they should have said, `we hear and we obey,' they said aloud, `We hear,' and whispered, "We disobey." Where they should have said respectfully, `We hear,' they added in a whisper, `What is not heard,' by way of ridicule. Where they claimed the attention of the Teacher, they used an ambiguous word apparently harmless, but in their intention disrespectful. `Ra'ina' if used respectfully in the Arabic way, would have meant `Please attend to us' (or `Do look at us'). With a twist of their tongue, they suggested an insulting meaning, such as `O thou that takest us to pasture!', or in Hebrew, `Our bad one!'"
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Its obvious that the Jews were covering some verses and reading others out of context. In Arabic this is called "al-tahrif al-ma`nawi" or "CHANGING THE MEANING". Hasnt the same thing happen to the Quran? It is also necessary to emphasize the little phrase "EXCEPT A FEW". There were a few who were serious, who believed.

Allah says clearly that any who believe in Allah and the last day and does righteous deed will not fear nor grieve:
"Those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Sabiens, and the Nazarenes; whoever of them believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good works, then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve." Sura 5/69 "Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabiens; any one of them who believes in Allah and the Last Day, and does good work, they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve." Sura 2/62 "Those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Sabiens, and the Nazarenes; whoever of them believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good works, then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve." Sura 5/69 The Ahlul Injil are told by Allah to judge by their Injil (Gospel) and if they dont they are disbelievers: "walyakum (And let judge) with the people of the Injil what Allah has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has sent down, then these are the disbelievers." Sura 5/47 The Hudan (Jews) are told to judge by their Tawrah: "But yuakkimnaka (how is it that they ask thee for judgment) seeing that they have the Tawrah, fh (in it) uk'mu (is Allah's injunctions) - and thereafter turn away? Such as these, then, are no [true] believers." Sura 5/43

Whoever don't judge by the Book of Allah are disbelievers:

"We have sent down the Tawrah, fh (in it) hudan (is guidance) wanrun (and a
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light); the prophets who have surrendered yakumu (judged) bih (with it) for those who are Jews, as well as the Rabbis, and the Priests, for what they were entrusted of Allah's Scripture, and they were witness over. So do not fear the people but fear Me; and do not purchase with My revelations a cheap price. And whoever does not judge with what Allah has sent down, then these are the rejecters." Sura 5/44

If there were true corruption of the Tawrah and Injil ask yourself this simple question would Allah appeal the Ahlul Kitab (People of the Book) back to these corrupted books. Wouldnt Allah make the Quran enough for them all?
"Say: "O people of the Scripture, you are not upon anything until you uphold the Tawrah and the Injil and what was sent down to you from your Lord." And for many of them, what was sent down to you from your Lord will only increase them in transgression and rejection. So do not feel sorry for the rejecting people." Sura 5/68

Among the the people of Moses their are a section / group of them who guide and who establish justice in the light of truth what book are they using to do this:
"Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth." Sura 7/159

Ahlul Kitab are told to recite their Scripture are they reciting a corrupted Book:
"Those to whom We have given the Scripture and they yatlnahu (RECITE IT) as it truthfully deserves tilwatihi (To BE RECITED); they believe bihi (in it). As for those who disbelieve in it, they are the losers." Sura 2/121

There are among Ahlul Kitab those who believe in Allah and the Qur'an and they fear Allah and do not purchase with His revelations a cheap price:
"And from the people of the Scripture are those who believe in Allah and what unzila
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(was sent) down to you and what unzila (was sent) down to them; fearful to Allah, they do not purchase with His revelations a cheap price. These will have their reward with their Lord. Allah is quick in reckoning." Sura 3/199

How can it be possible to fine the Prophet's description in a Book lost or corrupted:
"Those who follow the messenger (Tabiuna RasulAllah), (Nabiya Ummiya), whom they find maktban (written)indahum (with them) fi (in) the Tawrah and the Injil;- for he commands them to what is right and forbids from what is wrong (munkar); he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure) (Khabaitha); He relieves from them their burdens and from the fetters which were upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper." Sura 7/157 Again, the Quran basis is validity from the Tawrah and Injil. Among Ahlul Kitab are those who are upright and they recite the Revelations of Allah during the night and they make sajud, they believe in Allah and the last day and they enjoin right and forbid wrong and do good deeds: "They are not all the same, from the people of the Scripture ummatun (are a nation) that is upright; they recite Allah's revelations during parts of the night and they prostrate. They believe in Allah and the Last Day, and they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and hasten to good deeds. And those are among the righteous." Sura 3/113-114 What book are they reciting? Among Ahlul Kitab are those who listen to the Qur'an and when they listen their eyes become teary RECOGNIZING THE TRUTH WITHIN it how are they able to do this with a corrupted Book: "And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, you will see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognize the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! we have believed (amanna); write us down among the witnesses (Shahadin)" Sura 5/83

Among Ahlul Kitab are those who believe in Allah and the Qur'an and they submit to Allah not selling Allahs ayati for a miserable gain:
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"And there are, certainly, among Ahlul Kitab, those who believe in Allah, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to Allah: They will not sell the Signs of Allah for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and Allah is swift in account" Sura 3/199 1. Some? Many? Perhaps even most? of the Jews did not believe. But SOME DID believe in Allah and wanted to do His will. 2. The Qur'an attests to the truth of the Tawrah which is WITH THEM. 3. Allah is quoted as saying that the Jews "HAVE the Tawrah in which is the command of Allah". 4. "Life for life, eye for eye" is quoted from the Tawrah (Exodus) as valid law by which Jews are to JUDGE unless they wish to REMIT the penalty. 5. The People of the Gospel are told to "JUDGE by what Allah revealed in it". Are we done yet, am I done no, there is more

From both of them min'hum

Allah says:

"But (now), when the Truth has come to them from Ourselves, they say, 'Why are not he was given like of what was given to Moses?" Do they not reject what was given to Mose before? They say: 'TWO KINDS OF SORCERY, EACH ASSISTING THE OTHER!' And they say: 'For us, we reject all (such things)!'Say: "Then bring bikitbin (A BOOK) minindi lahi (FROM ALLAH), which ahd (IS A BETTER GUIDE) min'hum (THAN BOTH OF THEM) (Tawrah and the Quran), attabi'hu (THAT I MAY FOLLOW IT)! (do), if ye are truthful!"" Sura 28/48-49

"But (now), when the Truth has come to them from Ourselves, they say, 'Why are not he was given like of what was given to Moses?" Allah says that they ask why are not the signs sent to him (Prophet Muhammad) like those which were sent to Moses. Hence, we know Moses received the Book (Tawrah):
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1) Allah says Moses was given the Book continued.... "Do they not reject what was given to Moses before? They say: 'TWO KINDS OF SORCERY, EACH ASSISTING THE OTHER!" Again, we know that Moses was given the Book. They are accusing the Book of Moses and the Qur'an as two kinds of sorcery supporting each other. "And they say: 'For us, we reject all (such things)!'Say: "Then bring bikitbin (A BOOK) minindi lahi (FROM ALLAH)" Again, the topic of discussion is "bikitbin (A BOOK)" from Allah this is clear. Allah instructed the Prophet to say to them present a book from Allah this doesn't have anything to do with magicians. Its about 'a book' from Allah. the ayat continues.... " which ahd (IS A BETTER GUIDE) min'hum (THAN BOTH OF THEM) (Tawrah and the Quran" , attabi'hu (THAT I MAY FOLLOW IT)! (do), if ye are truthful!"" So Allah puts the Book of Moses next to the Qur'an and challenges the unbelievers to bring a book which is not only a better guide than the Qur'an, but also better than the book of Moses! This presumes that the book of Moses was: (a) available during Prophet Muhammads time, and (b) equal to the Qur'an in terms of guidance.

The Qur'an goes on to state that the previous scriptures are similar to it, being just mithlihi (LIKE IT), the very same expression as found in the verses quoted at the beginning of this paper: "Say: Have you considered if it is from Allah, and you disbelieve in it, and a witness from among the children of Israel has borne witness of one mith'lihi (LIKE IT), so he
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believed, while you are big with pride; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people ... And before it the Book of Musa was a guide and a mercy: and this is a Book VERIFYING (it) IN the Arabic language that it may warn those who are unjust and as good news for the doers of good." Sura 46/10 "To the like-thereof ==> like the Qur'an, and the meaning is that the contents of the Tawrah hence, the Pentateuch by their purport attest the Qur'an, as corresponding therewith, or resembling it which means the Qur'an lays its existence and validity on the Tawrah. "And before it kitbu (WAS THE BOOK) of Moses imman (AS A GUIDE) waramatan (AND A MERCY). And this is a confirming Book in an Arabic tongue to warn those who have wronged and as good tidings to the doers of good." Sura 46/12

So this proves the Qur'an is from Allah and believed, that is, in the Qur'an, when the witness saw the intimations of revelation corresponding with the truth.
Also if we study the Qur'an carefully we will see Allah putting a structure of the argument perhaps assuming the divine origin of the Tawrah, is the author of the Qur'an argues that because the Qur'an is "like the Tawrah", therefore it is of divine origin as well. In this context at least, the Qur'an seeks to derive its authority from the authority of the Tawrah this is clear. However, the relation of "being like it" is symmetric, i.e. "the Qur'an being like the Tawrah" implies also "the Tawrah being like the Qur'an".

This is simple fundamentals. Thus, based on the testimony of the Qur'an itself, the Book of Moses is like it, and therefore meets the above quoted challenge "to bring something like it". My contention is that it is evident from the above citations that the author of the Qur'an Allah the Most High, believed that the Book of Moses, met the Qurans challenge to produce something like it.
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Yet if, as you Muslims who deny this often claim, the book of Moses had been tampered with, has been corrupted, has been lost, has been changed, or rather the Book of Moses was the Qur'an which is unquranic then how can a corrupted text BE LIKE THE QUR'AN seeing that it is no longer purely divine in origin?

Or how can the Book of Moses be the Qur'an be like the Qur'an if its lost, distorted as some alleged being corrupted, perverted it? How can human additions match the so-called divinely inspired Quranic text?
Are we to assume that the author of the Qur'an who is Allah was asserting that a corrupted text claiming to be the book of Moses was of equal value as the Qur'an?

Think about this very carefully.....

Allah says, which ahd (is a better guide) min'hum (than both of them) Hence, this constitutes TWO things being mention and its the Tawrah and the Quran. The Arabic word minhuma is used in other Sura/ayats indicating that this is more than one. The Qur'an explains itself and is its own exegesis/tafsir. Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females. But if there are [only] daughters, two or more, for them is two thirds of one's estate. And if there is only one, for her is half. And for one's parents, to each one min'hum (OF THEM) is a sixth of his estate if he left children. But if he had no children and the parents [alone] inherit from him, then for his mother is one third. And if he had brothers [or sisters], for his mother is a sixth, after any bequest he [may have] made or debt. Your parents or your children - you know not which of them are nearest to you in benefit. [These shares are] an obligation [imposed] by Allah. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise. Sura 4/11 ==> And for one's parents, to each one min'hum (OF THEM) is a sixth of his estate if
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he left children O nasu (Adamites), fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed min'hum (FROM BOTH OF THEM) many men and women. And fear Allah , through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer. Sura 4/1 min'hum (FROM BOTH OF THEM) many men and women. "The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one min'hum (of them) with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment." Sura 24/2 "min'hum (FROM BOTH OF THEM ) emerge pearl and coral." Sura 55/22 The believers are told if they lived their lives for Allah they will have the Garden. If they fight in the cause of Allah and if even kill or killed paradise will be their reward that is promised in the Tawrah, the Injil and the Quran. This makes it also very clear that these are not the same Books and this is not referring to Moses and Aaron but two different books of Allah. Liphe, the Qur'an comes attesting and certifying to the truth of the Tawrah which is WITH the Hudan (Jews) Nazarenes, Ahlul Kitab (Children of Israel) and which they STUDY. The unbelieving Jews command righteousness for others, but forget it for themselves because they lie when they reject the Qur'an and conceal the truth about it in their own Scriptures. The Qur'an also testifies that there are among Ahlul Kitab (the people of the Book) those who are completely honest, and who believe in Allah, and some of them also believe in the Qur'an as well as the Tawrah and they recite the Tawrah, they act upon the Tawrah and Injil. But in all of these verses in the Quran throughout the entire Quran, the irony is there is no statement from Allah that even unbelieving Jews changed the written words of their Tawrah or the Injil. Shots fired.
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