Joanne Accolla

From: Cockburn, Carl S [CockburnCS2@state.gov]

Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 7:01 PM
To: 'Joanne Accolla'; 'Susan Ginsburg'; Tom Eldridge'
Cc: Hofmann, Karl W(S/ES); Borek, Jamison S (SBU)(L/LM, Room 3422)
Subject: RE: 9-11 Commission DOS interview request no. 9-Responses are due by Tuesday October
7

10:30 is fine. I do not believe that special facilities arrangements are necessary.
> Original Message
> From: Joanne Accolla [SMTP:jaccolla@9-llcommission.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:01 PM
> To: 'Cockburn, Carl S'; 'Susan Ginsburg1; 'Tom Eldridge'
> Cc: 'Hofmann, Karl W(S/ES)'; 'Borek, Jamison S (SBU)(L/LM, Room 3422)'
> Subject: RE: 9-11 Commission DOS interview request no. 9--Responses
> are due by Tuesday, October 7
>
> Thank you Mr. Cockburn. Would it be possible to start the interview
> at 10:30 a.m. rather than 9:30 a.m. on October 29? Also, please let
> us know if you think we need to conduct the interview in a SCIF so
> that we may make those arrangements. Thank you.

> Original Message

> From: Cockburn, Carl S [mailto:CockburnCS2@state.gov]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 7:03 PM
> To: 'Joanne Accolla'; 'Susan Ginsburg'; 'Tom Eldridge'
> Cc: Hofmann, Karl W(S/ES); Borek, Jamison S (SBU)(L/LM, Room 3422)
> Subject: RE: 9-11 Commission DOS interview request no. 9--Responses are
> due
> by Tuesday, October 7
>
> Ms. Accolla,
> Please schedule my interview as indicated in your Oct 15 message.
> Thanks.
>
>
> > Original Message
> > From: Joanne Accolla [SMTP:jaccolla@9-llcommission.gov]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:57 AM
> > To: 'Cockburn, Carl S'; 'Susan Ginsburg'; 'Tom Eldridge'
> > Cc: 'Hofmann, Karl W(S/ES)'; 'Borek, Jamison S (SBU)(L/LM, Room 3422)
> > Subject: RE: 9-11 Commission DOS interview request no. 9--Responses
> > are due by Tuesday, October 7
> >
> > Mr. Cockburn - we would like to schedule the interview for
> > Wednesday, October 29 at 9:30 a.m. at the Department of State.
> > Please let us know
> if
> > this time is convenient for you.
> >
> > Mr. Hoffman and Ms. Borek - if you do not have a conflict with the
> > date and time, we would appreciate it if we could reserve a
> > conference room at
> the
> > State Department for the interview (we will not need a SCIF). Thank
> > you for your assistance.
> >
> > Joanne M. Accolla
> > Staff Assistant
> > National Commission on Terrorist
 .401 . 1774
> > jaccolla@9-llcommission.gov

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Cockburn, Carl S [mailto:CockburnCS2@state.gov]
> > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:06 AM
> > To: 'Susan Ginsburg ' ; 'Joanne Accolla'; 'Tom Eldridge '
> > Cc: Hofmann, Karl W(S/ES); Borek, Jamison S (SBU) (L/LM, Room 3422)
> > Subject: RE: 9-11 Commission DOS interview request no. 9--Responses are
> > due
> > by Tuesday, October 7
> >
> > Either on Wednesday, October 29 or Thursday the 30th, I could do
> > this.
> We
> > could arrange a mutually convenient time and I'd raise issues of
> > concern with Tom Eldridge.
> > Carl Cockburn
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Susan Ginsburg [SMTP : sginsburg@9-llcommission.gov]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:52 PM
> > > To: 'Hofmann, Karl W ' ; 'Cockburn, Carl S (Manila) '; 'Sarkis,
> Saadia E' ;
> > > 'Borek, Jamison S (SBU) (L/LM, Room 3422) '
> > > Cc : 'Elliott, Susan M' ; 'Romano, John A(L/LM)T; ' CA-Staf f ers ' ;
> > > sdunne@9-llcommission.gov; 'Joanne Accolla'; 'Tom Eldridge'
> > > Subject: RE: 9-11 Commission DOS interview request no. 9--Responses
> > > are due by Tuesday, October 7

> > > Carl,

> > > (In case you have not already heard from one of us) Thank you for
> > > your telephone message about your availability for an interview with the
> > > Commission during your transit through DC Oct. 27. Joanne Accolla
> will
> > > be
> > > in touch about setting up a mutually convenient time for the
> interview.
> > > The
> > > subject is Saudi visa policy pre-9-11.
> > >
> > > Feel free to be in touch with Joanne about the arrangements, and
> > > with
> > Tom
> > > Eldridge TEldridge@9-llcommission.gov 202-401-1686, about the
> > interview.

> > > Susan Ginsburg

> > >
> > >
> > > Original Message
> > > From: Hofmann, Karl W [mailto:HofmannKW@STATE.GOV]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:50 PM
> > > To: Cockburn, Carl S(Manila); Sarkis, Saadia E; Borek, Jamison S
> > > (SBU)(L/LM,
> > > Room 3422)
> > > Cc: Elliott, Susan M; Romano, John A(L/LM); CA-Staffers;
> > > 'sginsburg@9-llcommission.gov'; 'sdunne@9-llcommission.gov'
> > > Subject: RE: 9-11 Commission DOS interview request no. 9--Responses
> are
> > > due
> > > by Tuesday, October 7
> > >
> > >
> > > Carl:
 f-401-1747, to see whether there is any mutually convenient
> > > time
> > during
> > > that week when you could meet with them? (I'm assuming you'll be
> > > in
> DC.
> > > If
> > > not, please state.) Then let us here know (Jamie Borek in L and
> > > me)
> so
> > > that
> > > we can arrange for an agency rep to be there, and so that we can
> provide
> > > you
> > > ground rules. Susan Ginsburg should be able to indicate in more
> detail
> > > what
> > > they would like to cover with you. Thanks.

> > > Karl Hofmann

> > > > Original Message

> > > > From: Cockburn, Carl S
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 1:08 AM
> > > > To: Sarkis, Saadia E(S/ES-S); Borek, Jamison S (SBU)(L/LM, Room
> > 3422) ;
> > > > Hofmann, Karl W(S/ES)
> > > > Cc: Elliott, Susan M(S/ES-S); Romano, John A(L/LM); CA-Staffers
> > > > Subject: RE: 9-11 Commission DOS interview request no.
> 9--Responses
> > > > are due by Tuesday, October 7

> > > > I am scheduled to be in the U.S. on R&R travel during the week
> > > > of
> > > October
> > > > 27.

> > > >

 Joanne Accolla

From: Sarkis, SaadiaEJSarkisS@STATE.GOV]

Sent: Wedj3esttSy7OctoBer4^ 2003 3:18 PM
To: 5colla@9-11commission.gov1
Cc: Hofmann, Karl W; Borek, jjamison S (SBU)(L/LM, Room 3422); Elliott, Susan M; McCray, I.
Jean; Cockburn, CarlS^Manila)
Subject: RE: 9-11 Commission DOS interview request no. 9-Responses are due by Tuesday, October

Joanne --

Per youf e-mail request - - w e can make Conference Room 7262 available to you for this
interview^ 726j^feas been set aside as a reading room for use by the 9-11 Commission here
at State. S^tecTse contact Jean McCray at 647-3574
(McCrayIJ@state.gov) to arrange access to the room. Let me know if I can
be of further assistance. Thanks.

Original Message
From: Hofmann, Karl W
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:26 AM
To: Sarkis, Saadia E
Cc: Elliott, Susan M
Subject: FW: 9-11 Commission DOS interview request no. 9--Responses are due by Tuesday,
October 7

Saadia, could you please follow up with L and perhaps INR to see about where we could hold
this interview? Thanks.

Original Message
From: Joanne Accolla [mailto:jaccolla@9-llcommission.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:55 PM
To: 'Cockburn, Carl S'; 'Susan Ginsburg'; 'Tom Eldridge1
Cc: 'Hofmann, Karl W(S/ES)'; 'Borek, Jamison S (SBU)(L/LM, Room 3422)'
Subject: RE: 9-11 Commission DOS interview request no. 9--Responses are due by Tuesday,
October 7

Mr. Cockburn - we would like to schedule the interview for Wednesday, October 29 at 9:30
a.m. at the Department of State. Please let us know if this time is convenient for you.

Mr. Hoffman and Ms. Borek - if you do not have a conflict with the date and time, we would
appreciate it if we could reserve a conference room at the State Department for the
interview (we will not need a SCIF). Thank you for your assistance.

Joanne M. Accolla
Staff Assistant
National Commission on Terrorist
Attacks Upon the United States
202.401.1774
jaccolla@9-llcommission.gov

Original Message
From: Cockburn, Carl S [mailto:CockburnCS2@state.gov]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:06 AM
To: 'Susan Ginsburg'; 'Joanne Accolla'; 'Tom Eldridge1
Cc: Hofmann, Karl W(S/ES); Borek, Jamison S (SBU)(L/LM, Room 3422)
Subject: RE: 9-11 Commission DOS interview request no. 9--Responses are due by Tuesday,
October 7

Either on Wednesday, October 29 or Thursday the 30th, I could do this. We could arrange a
mutually convenient time and I'd raise issues of concern with Tom Eldridge.
1
 Message
From: Susan Ginsburg [SMTP:sginsburg@9-llcommission.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2 0 0 3 7 : 5 2 PM
> To; 'Hofmann, Karl W ; 'Cockburn, Carl S(Manila) ' ; 'Sarkis, Saadia E ' ;
> 'Borek, Jamison S ( S B U ) ( L / L M , Room 3 4 2 2 ) '
> Cc: 'Elliott, Susan M ' ; 'Romano, John A ( L / L M ) ' ; ' C A - S t a f f e r s ' ;
> sdunne@9-llcommission.gov; 'Joanne Accolla'; 'Tom Eldridge'
> Subject: RE: 9-11 Commission DOS interview request no. 9--Responses
> are due by Tuesday, October 7

> Carl,

> (In case you have not already heard from one of us) Thank you for your
> telephone message about your availability for an interview with the
> Commission during your transit through DC Oct. 27. Joanne Accolla will
> be
> in touch about setting up a mutually convenient time for the
> interview. The subject is Saudi visa policy pre-9-11.

> Feel free to be in touch with Joanne about the arrangements, and with
> Tom Eldridge TEldridge@9-llcommission.gov 202-401-1686, about the
> interview.

> Susan Ginsburg

>
>
> Original Message
> From: Hofmann, Karl W [mailto:HofmannKW@STATE.GOV]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 2:50 PM
> To: Cockburn, Carl S(Manila); Sarkis, Saadia E; Borek, Jamison S
> (SBU)(L/LM,
> Room 3422)
> Cc: Elliott, Susan M; Romano, John A(L/LM); CA-Staffers;
> 'sginsburg@9-llcommission.gov'; 'sdunne@9-llcommission.gov'
> Subject: RE: 9-11 Commission DOS interview request no. 9--Responses are
> due
> by Tuesday, October 7

> Carl:
> Could you please be in touch with the Commission's Susan Ginsburg at
> 202-401-1747, to see whether there is any mutually convenient time
> during that week when you could meet with them? (I'm assuming you'll
> be in DC. If not, please state.) Then let us here know (Jamie Borek
> in L and me) so that
> we can arrange for an agency rep to be there, and so that we can provide
> you
> ground rules. Susan Ginsburg should be able to indicate in more detail
> what
> they would like to cover with you. Thanks.
>
> Karl Hofmann

> > Original Message

> > From: Cockburn, Carl S
> > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 1:08 AM
> > To: Sarkis, Saadia E(S/ES-S); Borek, Jamison S (SBU) (L/LM, Room 3 4 2 2 ) ;
> > Hofmann, Karl W(S/ES)
> > Cc: Elliott, Susan M(S/ES-S); Romano, John A(L/LM); CA-Staffers
> > Subject: RE: 9-11 Commission DOS interview request no. 9--Responses
> > are due by Tuesday, October 7
> >
> > I am scheduled to be in the U.S. on R&R travel during the week of
> October
> > 27.
Thomas H. Kean
CHAIR
DOS INTERVIEW REQUEST NO. 9
Lec H. Hamilton
VICE CHAIR

The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States

Richard Ben-Veniste
(the "Commission") requests interviews with the following Department
Max Cleland of State officials during the weeks of October 13, October 20, or
Fred F. Fielding
October 27. Please provide a proposed date, time, and location for these
interviews no later than October 9, 2003, if possible. The anticipated
Jamie S. Goiclick length of each interview is two hours.
Slade Gorton
1. George Lannon
John I^hman
2. Catherine Barry
Timothy J. Rocmer 3. Travis Farris
4. Karl Wycoff
James R. Thompson
5. Charles H. Brayshaw
6. Albert A. Thibault, Jr.
Philip D. Zelikow
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR 7. Richard.Baltimore
8. Arthur Mills
9. Carl Cockbum
10
11
12. Thomas Krajeski
13. Michael Polt
14. Charisse Phillips

The Commission anticipates that classified information may be discussed

at these interviews. The Commission reserves the right to re-interview
these individuals based on the results of the requested interviews and the
needs of the Commission.

September 30,2003 Daniel Marcus

General Counsel

TEL (202) 331-4060

FAX (202) 296-5545
www.9-11 commission.gov
Joanne Accolla
From: sdunne@9-11commission.gov
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 11:04 AM
To: hofmannkw@state.gov
Cc: brian.h.hook@usdoj.gov; dmarcus@9-11commission.gov; team5@9-11commission.gov;
dcampagna@9-11commission.gov
Subject: DOS interview request no. 9

DOS interview
request no 9.doc...
Karl: Attached is DOS interview request no. 9. Please call Susan Ginsburg at
202-401-1747 with any questions about the topics to be covered and to make
arrangements for these interviews. Feel free to call Dan or me as well if any
issues arise. Thanks. Steve
Carl Cockburn

General work and ed background

When in SA, Jeddah

What training before arrived? InSA? UBL?

What was organizational structure? Who was above and below in CA world?
Section Chief over: EEs El-HinnJ^ |

What was visa policy in SA and from where did it derive?

Oral history acquired at post? _^ x?

Role of INS in confirming assumptions?

Was it interview by exception? j~~ I rar(J,C.

2000 Riyadh 02002 makes mention of "general inapplicability of Section 214(b) to Saudi
Nationals."! I <r? A

Did this derive from Best Practices?

Fact S A eligible for Visa Waiver based on refusal rates?

Was SA part of a "virtual visa waiver program"?

Did CO's interview for terrorists or just for intending immigrants?

Were refusal rates discussed with COs?| \d you ever discuss refusal rates with a CO?

What is your view on whether the consular interview is a useful way to ferret out
terrorists?

Have you ever been involved in applications where an interview led to a denial based in
part on suspicions someone was a terrorist? Where and when?

Should there be more training on interview techniques?

How physically did the NIV process in Jeddah/Riyadh work while you were there?

Furey says there was "virtually no input from his political section or other agency
colleagues regarding potential Saudi terrorists or criminals." True?!
Did CA officers work with other agencies on visa issuance in Jeddah? j j

Aware of any programs involving interviewing of extremists?!

What were your sources of intel on UBL? CLASS? Viper? Station?

Awareness of UBL activity in SA?

During summer of 2001, SS all alone in Jeddah consulate (Mills on home leave)?\

Describe changes brought by Visa Express?

Required TCNs to make two trips - one to travel agency and one to consulate for
interview?

Did it result in more work for the COs?

Visas to hijackers
Incomplete applications not unusual?
Lies about no prior visa unusual?

Post-9-11 what happened?

Impression nothing was changed in SA, then congressional heat, then change for no good
reason in TARP program, true?

COs in Jeddah felt somewhat betrayed by Department? Why?

DHS relationship

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