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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Court Transcriber: For the Defendant:

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT EASTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ------------------------------------X : UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, : : : : v. : : JUAN CARLOS RAMIREZ-ABADIA, : : Defendant. : ------------------------------------X

04-CR-01064 225 Cadman Plaza East Brooklyn, New York March 1, 2010

TRANSCRIPT OF CRIMINAL CAUSE FOR GUILTY PLEA BEFORE THE HONORABLE STEVEN M. GOLD UNITED STATES MAGISTRATE JUDGE APPEARANCES: For the Government: CAROLYN POKORNY, ESQ. ANDREA GOLDBARG, ESQ. JUSTIN LAIRD, ESQ. United States Attorneys Office Eastern District of New York 271 Cadman Plaza East Brooklyn, New York 11201 PAUL NALVEN, ESQ. ALEXEI SCHACHT, ESQ. DAVID S. ZAPP, ESQ. Nalven & Schacht 350 Fifth Avenue Suite 1422 New York, New York 10118

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2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 record. MS. POKORNY: Carolyn Pokorny, Andrea Goldbarg and Good afternoon. (Proceedings began at 4:14 p.m.) COURT CLERK: Criminal cause for guilty plea,

United States of America v. Juan Carlos Ramirez-Abadia, Docket Number 09-CR-772 [sic]. Counsel, please state your appearances for the

Justin Laird for the Government. THE COURT: MR. NALVEN:

Good afternoon. For the defendant Ramirez-Abadia Paul Your Honor, the record

Navel, N-A-V-E-L, Nalven & Schacht.

should reflect with the Courts permission that my partner Alexei Schacht is at counsel table and also our co-counsel David Zapp. THE COURT: And we have a Spanish interpreter.

Please state your name for the record as well. THE INTERPRETER: Anderson, previously sworn. THE COURT: Thank you, sir. Good afternoon, Your Honor. Peter

Mr. Ramirez-Abadia, are you able to understand what Im saying once its translated into Spanish for you by Mr. Anderson? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, Your Honor. Now, I have had the opportunity

Okay.

to look at some of the documents that have been presented to

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3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 me in anticipation of todays proceeding and I do have some questions. First of all, as I understand it, the defendant

will be pleading guilty to Count I of two separate indictments, one of which is from another district. I dont

have the underlying documents that reflect the consent of the prosecuting offices in those two districts to proceed here, but I believe I have a representation from the Government in the written agreement that that is the case. MS. POKORNY: Thats right, Your Honor. The case

was successfully transferred to Judge Townes and so there -the appropriate documentation has been filed with the clerk of this court. THE COURT: Thank you. Directing my attention to

the agreement itself, Ill start simply and try to work up. On paragraph 5 of my copy at least and I think of the original that has now been handed up to the Court, on page 5, paragraph 3, the top -- very top line there is a date by which the defendant is to proceed in order to be eligible for a certain benefit under the guidelines. That date has passed. This is

at the top -- very top line on page 5. was an intention to amend that date. MS. POKORNY: Okay.

I dont know if there

So I think we should cross that

out and write in todays date and -THE COURT: MS. POKORNY: Okay. -- we can initial that. Thank you for

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4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 catching it. THE COURT: MR. NALVEN: THE COURT: Why dont we start with that? Thank you, Judge. Sure. Thank you, everyone. I have some

questions about the penalty provisions articulated on pages 2 and 3 of the agreement. First, with respect to page 2 which

delineates the penalty provisions for the 21 U.S. Code 848 count in paragraph theres a reference to a minimum term of supervised release which tracks the typical Title 21 narcotics statute provisions, but Im not seeing that in 848. I thought

that without a specific mandatory minimum supervised release term in the offense statute we would be sent back to Title 18's provisions, which do not have mandatory minimum supervised release terms or life supervised release terms. Can you help me with that? [Pause in the proceedings.] THE COURT: MS. POKORNY: THE COURT: If this were a Title 18 offense -Yes. -- it would be a man -- it would be a

maximum five-year supervised release term with up to five years of incarceration as a penalty for revocation assuming its a Class A felony, which I do assume because of the life imprisonment possibility. MS. POKORNY: Well, I see what youre saying that

its not specifically -- theres no supervised relief

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5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 provision seemingly in 848 so let me just check the other statute I cited to see if that ties it in. Well, its an

interesting question that I really hadnt focused my attention on it, frankly. I suppose we can advise the defendant that

conceivably he might be entitled to some lesser term of supervised release and it doesnt harm to warn him that he may face a greater one and that theres -- but you -- a quick reading makes me think that youre correct, but I havent had sufficient time to look into it. But at first blush it seems

as though what youre stating is correct. THE COURT: All right. Well, Ill try to articulate

it in a way thats fair to the defendant but if youre not satisfied, anybody, feel free to object and suggest something different to me. Turning my attention to page 3 and the penalties for Section 1963 I believe that Section 1963(a) states that the maximum penalty is 20 years absent a predicate act for which life imprisonment is a penalty but the agreement, unless Im missing it, does not specify the predicate act based upon which the Government contends that a sentence of life imprisonment is available and I wonder -- and I dont know -I obviously dont have the benefit of the defendants allocution yet. MS. POKORNY: THE COURT: Yes. I presume we would agree that the

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6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 defendant would have to allocate to that particular racketeering act in order for the life imprisonment penalty to be triggered and I want to make sure that our proceeding includes such an allocution. MS. POKORNY: THE COURT: Yes. Can the Government direct me to the

count -- to the racketeering act that it believes carries life imprisonment as a potential penalty? MS. POKORNY: THE COURT: MS. POKORNY: Yes, Your Honor. Um-hum. Which is paragraphs 10 and 11, I should Racketeering Act I.

conspiracy to distribute and manufacture cocaine. add, its paragraphs 10, 11, and 12. THE COURT: MS. POKORNY: Okay. And --

Thats -- that carries a statutory And Racketeering

term of imprisonment of ten years to life. Act III, which is paragraph 15. THE COURT: MS. POKORNY: Um-hum.

And international cocaine distribution

conspiracy that also carries a sentence of ten to life. THE COURT: And does the defendant intend to

allocute to those specific racketeering acts, counsel? MR. NALVEN: We have prepared an allocution, Judge, Hes -- I mean,

thats kind of an all-embracing allocution.

if Your Honor wanted to do a count by count hes prepared but

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7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 acts? MR. NALVEN: THE COURT: Exactly, Judge. Okay. Okay. Specifically. I think I only weve taken -THE COURT: Intended to encompass those racketeering

Thank you.

have one more question. MS. POKORNY: THE COURT: Okay. And I think I know the answer but I Maybe you can help me.

dont know why its the answer.

When I read Count I of the respective indictments it was hard for me to see how a defendant could be charged with both because the enterprises that are described and the predicate acts that are charged seem to overlap and I am wondering what the Governments position is on why these are separate offenses and not two iterations of the same one. MS. POKORNY: Yes, Your Honor. At the very least

the Eastern District has one or more acts that are distinct. They include Racketeering Act I, which is the murder of a specific individual named Vladimir Viegelman, V-I-E-G-E-L-M-AN, that is not charged in the other indictment. And

additionally -- Im going to get the exact numbers accurate -violations 5 through 9 of our continuing criminal enterprise count, Count I, are distinct drug loads that were not charged in the Washington, D.C. RICO indictment. THE COURT: Thank you. All right. I think Im

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8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Thank you. Mr. Ramirez-Abadia, you are here today because your lawyers have indicated that you wish to surrender your right to trial and enter a plea of guilty pursuant to a written agreement you have made with the prosecution. Before I may ready to begin unless counsel have anything else theyd like to raise. I wonder if the interpreter could just step -- push

the microphone a little further away because Im hearing you through the speaker. THE INTERPRETER: THE COURT: Yes, Your Honor.

And its a little distracting to me.

hear any pleas of guilty you wish to offer today I want to be certain that you understand that I am not the Judge who is presiding over your case. The Judge whos presiding over your Judge Townes is

case is United States District Judge Townes.

the one who will decide whether any guilty plea you offer today should be accepted and if so how your sentence should be determined. I am a magistrate judge and I do not have the authority under the law to take those steps. Judge Townes, If you

who is a District Judge, will be taking those steps.

wish, you have the absolute right to present your plea of guilty to Judge Townes and if that is your choice there will no prejudice to you. You will be permitted to enter pleas of

guilty on the same terms and conditions that are being offered

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9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 sit? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: your lawyer? Yes, sir. to you today on a different day convenient to Judge Townes. In the alternative, though, if I have your consent and agreement I do have the authority to be the Judge who hears your plea of guilty. If you decide to proceed before

me, I will arrange for this entire proceeding to be recorded. That way Judge Townes will have a full record of everything weve said to each other before she is called upon to decide whether to accept your plea or how to determine your sentence. Do you understand me? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, Your Honor.

Do you wish to give up your right to

have Judge Townes be the Judge who hears your plea and do you agree to present it instead to me? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, Your Honor.

Are you making this decision voluntarily

and of your own free will? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, Your Honor.

Have you been threatened or promised

anything to encourage you to make this agreement? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: No, Your Honor.

Can you see this form from where you

Did you review this form in Spanish with

Did you understand it and did you sign it?

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10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 questions. THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, Your Honor.

Counsel, are you aware of any reason why

your client should not consent to proceed before me for these purposes? MR. NALVEN: THE COURT: None, Your Honor. I find the defendants consent knowing

and voluntary and Ive added my endorsement to the consent form reflecting that finding. Mr. Ramirez-Abadia, before I may recommend to Judge Townes that Her Honor accept any plea of guilty you decide to offer today, I need to ask you a long list of questions. questions are very important. The

They are designed to make sure

that you understand what a serious decision it is you are about to make and what the consequences of that decision are. The questions are also designed to protect the prosecution and the Court by creating a record that will demonstrate that I explained to you what your rights were, that will demonstrate that you said you understood your rights and wanted to waive them or give them up. Once that happens if you go forward

with a guilty plea it will be legally valid and permanently binding upon you. Accordingly, I urge you to listen carefully to the If youre not sure you understand my question tell

me and I will try to say it again in different words and make it clearer. If you want to ask me a question or have a

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11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 private conversation with your lawyer just tell me and Ill give you the opportunity. THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Is that clear? Yes, Your Honor.

Its very important that you tell me the

truth today and I will direct that you be placed under oath before we proceed. Please rise with your attorney. Please raise your right hand.

THE CLERK:

(Juan Carlos Ramirez-Abadia, Defendant, Sworn.) THE COURT: You may be seated now. Now that you are

under oath when you answer my questions you do so subject to penalties of perjury or making a false statement. That means

that if you lie to me this afternoon new charges could be brought against you just for that. THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Is that clear?

Yes, Your Honor.

Tell me your full name. Juan Carlos Ramirez-Abadia. How old are you?

THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: MS. POKORNY: THE COURT:

Thank you.

Forty-seven. How much formal schooling have you had? High school.

THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT:

Are you having any difficulty

understanding the interpreters translation of my words? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: No, sir.

Are you now or have you recently been

seeing a doctor, psychiatrist or other health care

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12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 professional for any physical or mental or emotional problems? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: No, sir.

In the last 24 hours have you taken any

narcotics, drugs, medicine, pills or alcohol? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: No, sir.

Have you ever received medical treatment

or been hospitalized for drug or alcohol abuse or psychiatric problems? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Never.

Is your mind clear today? Yes, sir.

THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: on here so far? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT:

Do you understand everything thats gone

Yes, sir.

Counsel, if Ive already asked you this Are you appointed or retained? Retained, Your Honor. Have you discussed the matter of

forgive the repetition. MR. NALVEN: THE COURT:

pleading guilty carefully with your client? MR. NALVEN: THE COURT: Yes. Does he in your judgment understand the

rights hell be surrendering if he enters a guilty plea? MR. NALVEN: THE COURT: Yes, Your Honor. Absolutely.

Is he capable of understanding the

nature of this proceeding?

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13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. NALVEN: THE COURT: Yes, Judge. Do you have any doubt about his

competence to plead at this time? MR. NALVEN: THE COURT: None whatsoever. Have you alerted him to the maximum and

minimum sentence and fine that could be imposed, discussed with him the likely operation of the sentencing guidelines as contemplated by his agreement and alerted him to the collateral consequences of a conviction? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, Your Honor.

Thank you.

Mr. Ramirez-Abadia, have you had enough time to go over your case and the documents in your case very carefully and have you, in fact, done so? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

Are you satisfied to have the lawyers

who are representing you here today be the attorneys who are defending you in this case? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

If you could no longer afford their

services and you demonstrated that fact to me I would appoint a lawyer at no cost to you to defend you in connection with further proceedings in this case. You should not plead guilty

because you believe you cannot afford the fees necessary to defend the case. Do you understand me?

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14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 attorneys? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir. THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

Do you wish to proceed with your current

You are before the Court in connection One filed in the United States

with two separate indictments:

District Court for the District of Columbia under Docket Number 04-CR-126 and one before this court, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York under Docket Number 04-CR-1064 and in that case it is the third superseding indictment. indictments? Have you received copies of these two

Have they been explained to you carefully by

your lawyers in Spanish and do you understand what you are accused of in these charging documents? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

In the Washington D.C. indictment you

are charged in Count I with knowingly and unlawfully participating in the activities of an enterprise the prosecutors call the Norte Valle Cartel which participation included committing a series of racketeering acts that constituted a pattern of racketeering activity including agreeing with others to manufacture and distribute cocaine outside the United States to be brought into the United States and to launder the money generated by that activity. Do you

understand what you are accused of in the Washington, D.C.,

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15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 indictment? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

In the Eastern District indictment you

are charged with a different crime but one that also involves your alleged role in what the prosecutors call the Norte Valle Cartel. In this indictment you are charged with being a

leader of that organization and committing a series of crimes in connection with its activities including the murder on or about December 2, 1993 of Vladimir Viegelman and the agreement with other members of the cartel to import cocaine into the United States from a foreign country. Do you understand the

charge against you the Eastern District indictment? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

You have a right to plead not guilty to

these charges and all of the other charges pending against you and it doesnt matter whether you committed these crimes or not with respect to that right. Every defendant, one who is

guilty or one who is not guilty, has the right to plead not guilty and require the prosecution to prove its case at trial. Do you understand? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

If you were to plead not guilty or

persist in any previously entered not guilty pleas youve made then under the Constitution and laws of the United States you would be entitled to a speedy and a public trial by jury with

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16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the assistance of your attorneys on all of the charges that are pending against you. THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: be innocent. Is that clear to you? Yes, sir.

At your trial you would be presumed to

The prosecution would be required to overcome

this presumption of innocence and prove that you were guilty by competent evidence and beyond a reasonable doubt. You

wouldnt have to prove that you were innocent and if the prosecution failed to prove that you were guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, the members of the jury would have the duty to return a not guilty verdict and Judge Townes would instruct them accordingly. Is that clear? Yes, sir.

THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT:

Thats why juries sometimes find a

defendant not guilty even though the members of the jury believed the defendant probably committed the crimes hes been charged with. Probably is not enough for a conviction.

Jurors are instructed that they must find a defendant not guilty unless they are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed the crimes with which he has been charged. Do you understand? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

If you proceeded to trial then during

the course of your trial the prosecutions witnesses against you would be required to come into the courtroom and present

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17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 their testimony against you right in front of you and your attorneys. Your attorneys would have the right to question Your

the prosecution witnesses on cross-examination.

attorneys would have the right to raise questions to the evidence that the prosecution attempted to offer against you and working closely with you your attorneys would have the right to call witnesses, present evidence, and make arguments to the jury before they considered their verdict during the course of your trial. Is that clear to you? Yes, sir.

THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT:

At your trial you yourself would have

the right to testify as a witness in your own defense if that was the choice that you made; on the other hand, no one could require you to testify at your trial over your objection. That is because the United States Constitution says that no one may be required to say anything that is selfincriminating. If you decided that you did not want to

testify in your own defense at your trial, no one could make you and Judge Townes would instruct the members of the jury that they could not take your silence into account or hold it against you when they decided what their verdict should be. Do you understand that? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

On the other hand, if you offer the

guilty pleas contemplated by your plea agreement and Judge

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18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Townes decides that they should be accepted, you will as a result be surrendering your constitutional right to a trial and all of the other rights that I have just described to you. There will be no further trial of any kind in your case. You

will have no right to appeal from the judgment of guilt that will be entered against you; rather, Judge Townes will essentially convict you of these crimes based upon your admissions in my courtroom this afternoon and that will free the prosecution of any responsibility to prove that you committed these crimes. THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Is that clear? Yes, sir.

If you proceeded to a trial and the jury

found you guilty of these crimes by their verdict you would be entitled to take an appeal to a higher court and ask that higher court to review the legality of all of the proceedings leading up to the jurys verdict of guilt. But when you plead

guilty your conviction is based upon your own words that you chose to speak and in that circumstance there is no right to appeal from the conviction that results. that? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir. Do you understand

If you plead guilty, I will have to ask

you questions about what you did in connection with the offenses with which you were charged. Those questions are

designed to satisfy me and Judge Townes that your pleas of

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19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 guilty are based upon facts that really happened. You do not

have to answer these questions unless you wish to finalize and go forward with your guilty plea. If you do answer these

questions and you admit that you committed the crimes you are charged with your answers will be a surrender of your right not to say anything that is self-incriminating. understand that? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir. Do you

Do you still wish to give up your right

to trial and all of the other rights that I have been describing to you today? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

I am told that you are making this

decision pursuant to the terms of a written agreement you have made with the prosecution. Courts Exhibit 1. The agreement has been marked as It is typewritten.

It is 19 pages long.

There is a handwritten amendment in the first line on page 5 and a second handwritten amendment at the begin -- in the middle of paragraph 20 on page 18. look at Courts Exhibit 1 now. MR. NALVEN: THE COURT: Thank you so much. Do you recognize this document and does Im going to ask you to

your signature appear upon the final page of it? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

Before you signed this document was it

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20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 signed? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir. attorneys? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir. read to you verbatim in Spanish? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

Did you carefully review it with your

Did you understand the document that you

Do you have any questions about your

agreement that you would like to ask me or discuss privately with your lawyers before we proceed? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: No, sir.

Is everything that is written down in

your agreement clear to you? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

Does your agreement contain in writing a

full accurate statement of everything you and the prosecution have agreed to with respect to your case? That question

didnt translate well; I can see by the look on your face. Referring you back to this agreement is everything that you and the prosecutors agreed to written down in here and is it written down accurately and fairly? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

Has anyone promised you anything in

return for your guilty pleas other than what is written down

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21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 in your agreement? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: No, sir.

As Ive said before, your agreement

contemplates pleas of guilty to two separate charges, one from the Eastern District of New York and one from the Federal Court in Washington, D.C. I need to review with you now the

penalties you face in connection with these charges. MR. NALVEN: Your Honor, could we have just one

second before we pass on to the next -THE COURT: MR. NALVEN: [Audio gap.] MR. NALVEN: Basically, Your Honor, I didnt want When Your Honor had Yes, sir. Okay.

the record to go by without correcting.

taken my client through the pedigree portion, when he said superior or superior in English what he meant was I -- is that he has substantial higher education, not high school as the interpreter indicated. THE COURT: Thank you.

Mr. Ramirez-Abadia, did you hear and understand your attorneys correction? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

And is it, in fact, the case that you

have some college education as well as a high school diploma? THE DEFENDANT: Yes, sir.

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22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 THE COURT: Thank you. Thanks. Id like to now

review the penalties that face you in connection with these charges. to that? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir. Can I refocus your -- can you refocus your attention

Im going to start with the Eastern

District of New York charge where youre accused under the narcotics laws of being a leader of a continuing criminal enterprise and committing a murder and the manufacture and importation of cocaine, among other things, in connection with that role. The statute you are accused of breaking, the law

you are accused of breaking requires a prison sentence of at least 20 years and authorizes a prison term as long as the rest of your life. Do you understand me? Yes, sir.

THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT:

In addition, the statute calls for a Supervised release is a period of

term of supervised release.

time that doesnt even start running until you finish serving whatever prison sentence is imposed, if you ever do. If you

are ever released from prison, you will then be subject to the rules of supervised release. Although you will almost

certainly be deported from the United States if you are ever released from prison I will still tell you that if you somehow remain here you will be subject to a long list of rules that will include restrictions on your right to travel and

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23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 requirements that you regularly report to a probation officer and follow the officers instructions and answer the officers questions with honesty. Whether you remain in the United

States or not, it will be a further condition of your supervised release that you commit no new crimes at all. And

if you break any supervised release rule that you are required to follow, you will be subject to an arrest and being brought before this court and being sent back to prison on this continuing criminal enterprise charge. to you? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir. Is all of that clear

As I read the statute this term of

supervised release could be as long as five years and could result in a period of incarceration of up to five years if you break any of the rules. THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Is that clear? Yes, sir.

The prosecution argues that as a

narcotics offense the supervised release term must be at least five years and could be as long as the rest of your life but agrees with my reading that a violation of supervised release could result in up to five years of incarceration. THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: million dollars. Yes, sir.

You could be fined as much as two

You understand that? Yes, sir.

THE DEFENDANT:

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24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 me. THE COURT: And the Government seeks a criminal

forfeiture in the amount of ten billion dollars, with a B if Im correct, including but not limited to a variety of assets described in your agreement. THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Not finally. Do you understand that?

Yes, sir.

Finally, as is the case -- oh, excuse

You could be required to make restitution

based upon the amount that your enterprise gained by committing the crimes with which you have been charged. that clear? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: imposed against you. Yes, sir. Is

A $100.00 special assessment will be Is that clear? Yes, sir.

THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT:

And finally, your plea of guilty will be

grounds to deport or remove you from the United States of America and whatever you admit to in my courtroom today may be used against you in any future proceedings that might be held to determine your right to remain in or ever return to the United States. Is that clear? Yes, sir.

THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT:

I want to turn your attention then to

the indictment from Washington, D.C., in which you are charged with participating in the affairs of a racketeering enterprise through a pattern of criminal activity. Do you have your

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25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 attention on that case now? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

The penalties you face in that case are

similar but not identical to the ones Ive just described, so please focus carefully so you dont confuse them. Moreover,

they could be imposed consecutively or concurrently in Judge oTownes discretion. That means that it will be up to Judge

Townes whether you will have to finish serving all of the sentence conditions imposed in Count I in the Eastern District case before you can begin to work on satisfying the sentence in the D.C. case or whether you will get credit for both for the same effort or time incarcerated. did I confuse you? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Will you repeat that, Your Honor? Im going to try that again. I Do you understand me or

Yeah.

didnt say it as well as I wanted to. The penalties in connection with the Washington, D.C. case could be imposed consecutively or in addition to the penalties imposed on the Eastern District case or concurrently meaning that each day you spend incarcerated could be attributed to both sentences. to make that decision. It will be up to Judge Townes

But in terms of pleading guilty I try

to make sure that a defendant understands the worst possible outcome and that would be consecutive sentences, in other words, having to finish the sentence in the Eastern District

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26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 case before you could begin to get credit towards the Washington, D.C. case. MR. NALVEN: Your Honor, not to muddy the record at

all, I closely counseled my client on the penalty aspect of the case of both indictments and I think in a moment hes prepared to acknowledged exactly what Your Honor placed on the record. But I know his psychology as well and I would ask if

Your Honor in some way would acknowledge footnote one on page 2, which has the extradition treatment of the possible penalties. THE COURT: Yes. Okay. I overlooked that. I

appreciate your bringing it out to me. My understanding from the prosecution is that there is an agreement in this case that the defendants sentence will not exceed 30 years of 360 months. Ms. Pokorny? MS. POKORNY: Yes, Your Honor. And thats because Is that correct,

as a condition of extraditing the defendant from Brazil the U.S. Government had to assure the government of Brazil that he would not serve in excess of 30 years in prison. MR. NALVEN: hasnt done the -MS. POKORNY: MR. NALVEN: Altogether. -- [inaudible]. He said he was going Havent done -- hes done the -- he

to refer to one later on.

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27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 aware. up. THE COURT: You know, the microphone is picking you

I can hear you right here. MR. NALVEN: THE COURT: Im sorry. I thought Id point you to -- I dont I dont want you to inadvertently say

mind the disturbance.

something in a sidebar with your colleague that then gets picked up by our court reporter, so if you -- if at any point you need to say something privately, just turn the green light off and it wont be overheard. MR. NALVEN: MR. ZAPP: Yes, Your Honor. I just want to make it clear to the Court

as well as to the Judge. THE COURT: Im the Judge and the Court. You

said, I want to make it clear to the Court and the Judge. Could you define the difference for me, Mr. Zapp? MR. ZAPP: Ill try. You know, theres an

understanding with respect to the plea agreement that the defendant will get 25 years by the Judge or he has the right to withdraw his plea of guilty so that this becomes somewhat difficult for him to explain to him. In fact, Im not sure if

the Court is simply saying this is what the law provides and that is separate and apart from what the plea agreement provides, so I just wanted the Court to be aware. THE COURT: Im glad you pointed it out. I was not

I need to take a closer look at that paragraph.

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28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MR. NALVEN: My understanding -- my understanding at

the bench conference was that Your Honor was going to address that later on when we talked about promises and conditions, Your Honor. that. I have no doubt Your Honor is going to get to

Just in terms of the penal -- overall penalty phase,

the aggregate sentence, we thought it was important to point out the extradition treatment. THE COURT: I see. Yes. I hadnt focused on it as

carefully as I should and I appreciate your bringing it up now. Going back to the 30-year provision I understand the escape clause, to use an informal term, for a sentence exceeding 25 years. Has -- whats to prevent Judge Townes

from imposing more than 30 years, if anything? MS. POKORNY: The U.S. Government has assured the

government of Brazil that we will take all steps necessary to ensure that he does not serve in excess of 30 years, which would include things such as reducing the charges if necessary. We had to do whatever is necessary to make sure And so prior to sentencing we

that we keep that promise.

would ask Judge Townes to commit that shes willing to help us achieve that goal and if she were to signal that she objected then we would have to take steps necessary. THE COURT: MS. POKORNY: I understand. And I would prefer if we stick with

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29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the agreement because perhaps we might state things that stray a little bit from the agreement, so I would suggest if were going to discuss paragraph 14 to simply state that if those conditions are satisfied then and only then could the defendant receive a sentence of 25 years. THE COURT: MS. POKORNY: MR. NALVEN: Okay. And that would be -Your Honor, I dont want to muddy the

waters either and I sincerely dont think I am, but Im listening to a conversation in here where the Court is saying that what is to prevent Judge Townes from giving this defendant 30 years and do you understand that and the fact is that there is such a provision that would allow the defendant to withdraw his plea of guilty if he didnt get 25 years. there seems to be some tension there and -THE COURT: But its not automatic. Its subject to So

the conditions of paragraph 14. MR. NALVEN: THE COURT: MR. NALVEN: THE COURT: Thats correct. Okay. Thats correct. I understand and I appreciate the time

weve taken to clarify all of this but I feel we need to go back and explain what weve already done and where were headed. Mr. Ramirez-Abadia, what I have been trying to

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30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 explain to you are what the maximum penalties are that the law provides. Because of the manner in which you were brought

before this court and because of paragraph 14 of your agreement there are other factors that affect your maximum exposure in the case and certain rights you may have to challenge your sentence or withdraw your guilty plea, but I want to start by making sure you understand the maximum sentences available under the statute and then we will talk about how those maximum sentences may or may not be available to Judge Townes when she decides your sentence. I know its

complicated to do it that way but its our pattern and if you can stay with me thats the way I would like to proceed. you understand me so far? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir. Do

So although on the one hand the

prosecutor has now committed on the record of this proceeding as she has in writing in your agreement, referring to footnote 1 on page 2, that the prosecution understands it has made a commitment to the government of Brazil that you will not serve more than 30 years in prison. The statute -- the law on the

books in the United States says with respect to the Eastern District count that your sentence must be at least 20 years and could be as long as the rest of your life, that you will be subject to a term of supervised release and if you break the supervised release rules you could be sent back to prison

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31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 for up to five years, and has the financial penalties in terms of fine, forfeiture, restitution and special assessment, and the collateral consequence in terms of deportation that I have already explained to you. THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Do you understand all of that? Yes, sir.

With respect to the charge against you

from Washington, D.C., again, a second term of life -- I know thats a foreign concept to a layperson but as lawyers and judges we understand that one can be brought before the Court on two separate charges, each of which carry a possible sentence of up to life in prison and those sentences could as a theoretical matter be imposed consecutively. However, I acknowledge as your lawyers I think would have me acknowledge at this point that the Government is committed that your maximum exposure for both counts will remain at the 30-year level and that they will do whatever they can -- everything they can to make sure that Judge Townes does not impose sentences on both counts that exceed that term of incarceration. Is that correct, Ms. Pokorny? Yes, sir. With respect to the Washington, D.C., Here because

MS. POKORNY: THE COURT:

count supervised release applies there as well.

supervised release does not require incarceration consecutive terms are possible. A second term of supervised release of up

to five years could be imposed on the Washington, D.C., count

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32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3. MS. POKORNY: THE COURT: No. Or twice the amount that was gained by Do you with a penalty of up to five years of incarceration should supervised release rules be broken. THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir. Is that clear to you?

Just to make the waters a little

muddier, what would the Governments position be if we were to say a sentence of 30 years was imposed, withdrawal of the guilty plea were made, and supervised release were violated? Would the defendant be subject to additional incarceration under the circumstance? MS. POKORNY: be a separate offense. I think he could be because that would He cannot serve more than 30 years on

this offense, but that does not speak to him committing some future violation of supervised release or some future crime. THE COURT: Did you hear and understand what the

prosecutors position in that regard would be? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

On the second charge from Washington,

D.C., you could subject to a fine that would be either $250,000.00. Is there any pecuniary loss theory in this case? For the RICO? Yeah. Im looking at the bottom of page

MS. POKORNY: THE COURT:

your racketeering activities, whichever is greater.

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33 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 understand that? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

A criminal forfeiture judgment could be

entered or would be entered in this case involving the same ten billion dollars and other assets set forth in the agreement? Do you understand that? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: charge as well. Yes, sir.

Restitution could be ordered under this

That would not be imposed consecutively if You only have to make that once. Do

you make restitution. you understand that?

THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT:

Yes, sir.

Of course, to the extent that different

conduct is charged in each count and the different conduct caused a restitution obligation to arise, the restitution might not overlap completely. THE INTERPRETER: Is that clear?

Your Honor, may the interpreter

have a repetition of that phrase? THE COURT: Ill try. Thank you.

THE INTERPRETER: THE COURT:

To the extent that there are different

action -- criminal actions in the Washington, D.C., count than in the Brooklyn, New York count different restitution obligations might arise and you could therefore be subject to different restitution obligations in each count. Do you

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34 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 understand that? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

A second $100.00 special assessment will Is that clear? Yes, sir.

be imposed on this charge. THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT:

And your plea of guilty to this charge

will provide a separate and independent ground for your deportation or removal from the United States. understand that? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir. I want to turn your Do you

Excellent.

attention then to what we call the Sentencing Commission guidelines. These guidelines will be calculated by Judge

Townes and will provide Her Honor with a range of months within which the law suggests your sentence should be set. take it that the Governments position is that the guideline range would exceed 30 years in this case. MS. POKORNY: THE COURT: Yes, sir. The final decision about the guidelines Judge Townes has not calculated I

will be made by Judge Townes.

the guidelines yet and Her Honor wont do so until she receives something called a presentence report. hasnt been written yet. That report

Once it is ready you and your

lawyers and the prosecutors will all be permitted to read it. You will then have an opportunity to appear before Judge

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35 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Townes at which time you may instruct her or direct her attention towards anything in the report with which you disagree. range. The prosecution predicts that Judge Townes will decide upon a guideline range exceeding 360 months but that they will persuade Judge Townes, it is their hope and expectation, to be bound by their commitment, that you will not be incarcerated for longer than that making any guidelines calculations in excess of 30 years moot. that? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir. Do you understand Only then will Judge Townes calculate the guideline

Paragraph 14 of your plea agreement

indicates that if its terms are met the Government will seek Judge Townes imposition of a sentence of 25 years and that if Judge Townes declines to agree to that application by the Government that you will be permitted to withdraw your guilty plea if all of the other terms of paragraph 14 are met and only if all of the other terms of paragraph 14 are met. state that correctly from the Governments perspective? MS. POKORNY: I would add that both sides will be Did I

recommending the specific sentence of 25 years if the conditions of paragraph 14 are met. THE COURT: point of view? Is that correct from defense counsels

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36 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 parole. Judge. MR. NALVEN: Thank you. THE COURT: Mr. Ramirez-Abadia, did you hear and Thats our understanding as well,

understand everything weve just said about paragraph 14 and 25 years and how its not automatic? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir. No matter what sentence you

Very well.

receive if the conditions of paragraph 14 are not met you will have no right to withdraw your plea of guilty. The only right

you would have would be to appeal from the length of your sentence if you have grounds to contend that it was unlawfully imposed. Do you understand that? [Off the record.] THE COURT: Okay. Were back on the record. Well --

Mr. Ramirez-Abadia, I know youve consulted with your lawyer. Do you remember what I said to you and do you understand it? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir. Now, you may have heard of

Very well.

Parole is a program of early release from a prison There is no

sentence but parole is a New York State program.

parole in Federal Court or federal prison, so you will not be released early from whatever sentence Judge Townes imposes on parole. Do you understand me? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

Assuming you meet the conditions of

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37 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 paragraph 14 and you receive a sentence of the full 25 years, you will have no right to withdraw your guilty plea because you decide at some future date it was a bad idea or you dont want to do it anymore. today. Youre committed as you go forward

Do you understand? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

Do you have any questions you would like

to ask me or discuss privately with your attorneys about the charges against you, the rights youre being asked to surrender, the penalties you face, the terms of your agreement or anything else? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: No, sir.

Is everything thats been said during

this proceeding by me, by the prosecutors, and by your lawyers clear to you? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

Are you ready to enter your pleas? Yes, sir.

THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT:

Counsel, do you know of any reason why

your client should not proceed with the guilty pleas contemplated by this agreement? MR. NALVEN: whatsoever. THE COURT: Mr. Ramirez-Abadia, with respect to No, Your -- no, Your Honor. None

Count I of Eastern District indictment 04-CR-01064-S-3 in

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38 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 which you are charged with leading a continuing criminal enterprise how do you plead, guilty or not guilty? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Guilty.

With respect to Count I of the

indictment from Washington, D.C., Number 04-CR-126 in which you are charged with participating in the affairs of a racketeering enterprise through a pattern of racketeering activity how do you plead, guilty or not guilty? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Guilty.

Do you make these pleas of guilty

voluntarily and of your own free will? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

Have you been threatened or forced by

anyone to plead guilty to these charges? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: No, sir.

Have you been promised anything other

than what is written in your agreement with the Government as further described or in this proceeding in my courtroom this afternoon in return for these pleas of guilty? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: No, sir.

I understand we are at the point in the

proceeding where I will call upon you to explain to me what you did that makes you guilty of these offenses. I understand

that with the help of your attorneys you have prepared a written statement you would like to read and file with the

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39 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Court. I have no objection to that procedure provided we Your lawyers may have helped you

understand the following.

find the words but the facts that they communicate are your responsibility. What I mean by that is you will recall that I

placed you under oath at the beginning of this proceeding. You are about to tell me certain things that you have knowledge of, I believe, that no one else in the room has knowledge of. the Court. You are representing these facts under oath to

Your lawyers may have helped you with the style

and completeness of your presentation, but this must be the truth as you recall it or you are subject to the penalties of perjury. Is that clear to you? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

You may tell me then either in your own

words as you recall them or by reading the statement your lawyers have helped you prepare what you did that makes you guilty of these offenses. THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: MR. NALVEN: Yes, sir.

How are we going to do this? We have an agreement if its okay with

the Court paragraph by paragraph. THE COURT: Thats fine. Beginning in the late 1980s up until

THE DEFENDANT:

the end of the period covered by the two indictments against me and up to my arrest in the summer of 2007 I engaged in

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40 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 numerous narcotics and narcotics trafficking with other crimes as detailed in the indictment -- the two indictments against me. I admit that I am guilty of all crimes charged in those

two indictments. THE COURT: Now, I assume that although you two are

reading that you are subscribing to the translation in the written document -- or maybe you even authored it. know. Can you help me out with that? THE INTERPRETER: Yes, Your Honor. I reviewed the I I dont

document, the translation into English of this document. believe it to be a professionally done translation and is accurate in its entirety. THE COURT: Thank you very much. So I am simply reading what

THE INTERPRETER:

Mr. Ramirez-Abadia is reading into the record. THE COURT: MR. NALVEN: Thank you very much. And, Your Honor, I can state as an

officer of the Court that Mr. Ramirez-Abadia took a personal pen [ph.] in preparation of both documents. He was very

closely counseled and participated in every line. THE COURT: Thank you. During the course of my narcotics

THE DEFENDANT:

trafficking I became one of the leaders of the CCE Enrico [Ph.] organizations known as the North Valley Cartel. As such

I was responsible for the importation into the United States

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41 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of more than 150 kilos of cocaine. In addition, much of the

cartels financial proceeds were laundered by the enterprise of which I was a leader. I personally made more than ten In order to further

million in profit from this enterprise.

the aims of the enterprise, a narcotics conspiracy, I and others ordered the kidnapping and murder of various people including the murder of Vladimir Viegelman. I also bribed

many law enforcement and Government officials in order to help myself and the enterprise to gain valuable information and to avoid detection and prosecution by law enforcement. Regarding the charges for my criminal activities which were accomplished in Columbia and other countries during the 1980s until my extradition to the United States in August of 2008 I conspired with others and organized a criminal enterprise of which I was the leader. It was composed of

various fronts, one dedicated to drug trafficking in Columbia and Mexico as well as the United States and in other Latin American countries. And as part of said activity I sponsored

the creation of cocaine laboratories that we own and laboratories that we shared with others or contracted. For the transportation of cocaine produced in the above-mentioned laboratories I used maritime transportation methods such as fishing vessels, merchant vessels, speed boats -- speed boats and submarines. I also exported cocaine

using aviation transport methods in all its forms using both

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42 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 public airports and clandestine air strips. We also utilized

a front dedicated to money laundering which received currency in the United States, Mexico, Brazil and other countries in Latin America in transporting it to Columbia where it was entered into the financial system through cash and the use of sham companies. And I also had hid assets that were the

fruits of drug trafficking in the name of nominees [ph.] or straw owners. We maintained other fronts dedicated to

committing acts of official corruption in Columbia with the aim of the enterprise avoiding prosecution. We also had a front that functioned as offices of collection and assassination dedicated to acts of violence among which were committed kidnappings and murders ordered by me as leader of the enterprise and by my lieutenants and our subordinates. I declare myself guilty of all this conduct

that I led and supervised that comprised a criminal organization as an alias Chupeta. All of the allegations in

the Eastern District indictment are true. All of the allegations in the District of Columbia indictment are true but two, paragraph 21(a) of that indictment states that I conspired with other persons to murder members of a group called Los Burros [Ph.]. allegation is not true. Paragraph 21(f) of the same That

indictment states that I personally shot and killed Luis Alfonso Ocampo Fomagay [Ph.]. This allegation is also not

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43 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 true. I did, however, conspire with others in the indictment

to lure him to a meeting at which we knew that others working for the enterprise would kill him at our behest. THE COURT: Mister -- this may be overly technical

since some of this in implicit in whats already been said, but its not explicit. Mr. Ramirez-Abadia, did the

enterprise, the North Valley Cartel have more than five members? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

Did the North Valley Cartel generate

receipts in excess of ten million dollars during any particular 12-month period? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

I assume that the Government is

satisfied with the allocution and that the interstate commerce elements are met by the references to drug importation, among other things. Is there anything else you would have me

inquire of the defendant? MS. POKORNY: Ill just put on the record briefly

that venue is established by various means including drugs and money coming through our district in addition to the murder of Vladimir Viegelman, which is a violation one of the Brooklyn indictment actually occurred in Queens, New York. THE COURT: Do you agree with the prosecutors

representation to the Court that Mr. Viegelman was killed in

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44 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Queens, New York? THE DEFENDANT: THE COURT: Yes, sir.

One thing I neglected to focus on as I

was listening, Ms. Pokorny, that you might be able to help me with was the fact that we talked earlier about the racketeering acts that carry life, Ive lost track of that

but I -- now that Im saying it out loud I think the drug description meets those requirements. MS. POKORNY: Thats correct. The Racketeering Act

I and Racketeering Act III charged cocaine distribution he allocuted to 150 kilograms along with [inaudible] five kilograms. THE COURT: Right. And that also meets the 30 times

500 grams for purposes of the CCE -- 300 times 500 grams. [Off the record.] MS. POKORNY: -- Your Honor is going to put in the

record that you recommend that Judge Townes accept the release. THE COURT: MS. POKORNY: Yeah. So Ill just put on the record that we

will follow-up then also. THE COURT: Based on the information given to me I

find that the defendant is acting voluntarily, that he fully understands his rights and the consequences of his plea, and that his plea has a basis in fact. I therefore recommend that

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45 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Judge Townes accept the defendants pleas of guilty to Counts I of the two indictments weve been referring to throughout these proceedings. I understand that sentencing will be

scheduled by Judge Townes chambers at some point in the future. Is there anything further for my attention before we close the record? MR. NALVEN: Judge, youve already -- Your Honor Just our application that

already made reference to it.

default versus of the allocution English and Spanish be filed in the [inaudible] Court. THE COURT: MS. POKORNY: THE COURT: MS. POKORNY: MR. ZAPP: Yes, I will see to that. Yes, thank you. Thank you everybody. Thanks to the marshals.

Your Honor, if I could just put on the

record this is not consensually germane to the plea but my client would feel much better. I could simplify this. My

client was arrested in Brazil on August 8th of 2007 for the extradition purposes only and Im holding so that the record will reflect -- Im holding the decision which simply says preventative detention for extradition number 590 and it says that the person -- country that wants the defendant Juan Carlos Ramirez-Abadia also known as Chupeta is the United States of America.

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46 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The defendant was in continuous custody since the 7th -- or since the 8th of August 2007 until he left for this country so he was never outside of the custody and he left on August 22nd of 2008. And Im also holding a Supreme Court

decision of the country of Brazil which states that for the time that he was in continuous custody on this extradition warrant he should be given credit. That was one of the

conditions that Brazil asked from the Government of the United States so the Court should know that the country of Brazil has recommended that. THE COURT: Well, I will not deem the Governments

silence to be acquiescence to your point but Im sure it will be taken up and fully aired between now and sentencing. there anything else? MR. ZAPP: Well, I was under the impression, Your Is

Honor, that the Government knew about this and knew -- because Im only -- Im only reciting facts. THE COURT: Im not reciting any --

Well, its a funny time to bring it up

if its part of the agreement. MR. ZAPP: No, its not. Its not. I just -The

sometimes these things -- Ill tell you the problem. problem is that when people try to verify this by the

Government it goes from State Department to State Department and it comes all the way back and it sometimes is never resolved. And you have a situation where a man may be doing

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47 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 and -- doing 26 years rather than 25 years and totally undeservedly. MS. POKORNY: Im -- I will acknowledge that under

the statute your presence is required to give him credit for time spent awaiting extradition and the U.S. Government promised the Government of Brazil that whatever amount of time that is he is entitled to that. THE COURT: All right. Thank you, everyone. Id

like counsel to stay behind just to help me with what gets filed and by whom. MR. NALVEN: Thank you, Your Honor.

(Proceedings concluded at 5:34 p.m.) * * * * * *

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48 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Dated: March 4, 2010 Ruth Ann Hager I certify that the foregoing is a court transcript from an electronic sound recording of the proceedings in the aboveentitled matter.