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Primary inspector for Ahmed al Ghamdi at
Dulles International Airport on/May 2, 2001

Use of name in report: The Commission would agree, if you want, that the Commission
will not use your name or your personal information/without prior consultation with
DHS/CBP about the information we seek to use. Uhless we really feel the need, we
won't use your name. However, we will not liiake/the flat promise that we will not under
any circumstances use your name. (Circumstances when would use name: probably only
in making policy recommendations or factual information that requires a quote.)

Telephone interview date: 05/20/04 / Law Enforcement Privacy

Who else has interviewed you: DOJ OIG, FBI, t)HS, CBP. No.

Do you recollect the inspection of tMs pair Ahm^d al Ghamdi on May 2, 2001? No.
Meet 80/hour. / / ! \e you assigned noJ kn that date? Yes. i \h of service a

secondary in 2001. \. ! \n did you train?

Training in CT? No - studied terrorism ;

• Document fraud? Emphasis was here; overstay; intending immigrant; w/o

sufficient $.

• Databases? Learn WL for terrorist? No; didn't know checking for terrorists.

• Mock primary/secondary inspections? 2-3 days; a lite airport - emphasize land

border.

• Cultural training? Just at Dulles.

• Behavioral training? Yes - now emphasized more. Walk/answer questions/eye

contact - psych major.

• Language training? Yes.

• Firearms training? Yes - only carry in secondary; primary - safety hazard.

• Facilate or Enfoce: Customer service class at Dulles

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• Role in CT: No - not a highlight.

• Intending Immigrant? - yes

Normal primary.
• Please describe the standard operating procedures you employ in primary
screening, including questions asked, documents reviewed, and databases
checked.]

Length of stay for Bis: was there a standard length of stay given pre 9/11?
Was that a port decision, or national operating policy? If you gave less than
the standard time, were there professional repercussions? Port policy: 1
month, then becomes 3 months after 2001. Greater than 6 months, need
supervisor approval.

Length of stay for B2s: was there any discretion in length of stay granted B2s
pre 9/11 ? Greater than 6 months = supervisor Approval.

Processing time at Dulles: was there a standard processing time?l

J Any professional repercussions if did not

meet that processing time? Don't recall. We were short on personnel and
tons of flights. Pressured to get passengers through for connections. UA
brings all at once. "I paid for ticket, let me in." Performance rating could be
excellent or outstanding = affect job promotion. Now not more than \s - still pressure.

Was there a port policy about referrals to secondary; a certain criteria that had
to be met to refer to secondary?

Review of passport and visa.

• What do you look for on the document to determine whether fraud
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Pre 9/11 - Can you read Arabic stamps/cachets? Noi

• Have you received any training in reading documents other than

FLETC prior to 9/11? Pamphlets and alerts - and not continuing
education classes. Learn through secondary.

• Does the port always make sure there are inspectors on duty in
secondary with expertise in documents and stamps?

• Familiar with the Redbook? No. Terrorist. No Fraud book. Now

CT - sent caches from ME 3 days ago from FDL.

Treatment of Emirates and Saudis.

• How did inspectors view Saudis pre 9/11? Ever considered a threat to
national security? Least concern. Only adverse action if students and let Fl
visa expire and they'd fill out 1-193, pay fee and get visa.

,• At Miami, did you ever notice that any particular nationalities were treated
any differently than others? We were taught that)

jThey didn't want

to stay here unless going to school.

• What about Saudis in particular?

• How did the treatment affect adjudication of Saudis?

• If you could not communicate with a Saudi, what would you do?
Sometimes couldn't speak English.

• Were there any Arabic speakers in INS inspections at Orlando? Did you
always have to rely on the airlines?

\ Would the airline help you out? Yes.

Profiling.
f What unusual characteristics about an alien applying for admission would
cause you concern and result in a referral to secondary?
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• Ahmed al Ghamdi's primary inspection.

• Where do you normally work? 1-94 - yes, my stamp. Filled out correctly
Customs declaration: should have been additional declaration for more
than S10K, Treasury maintains those declarations. Didn't take declaration
very seriously; Customs do inspection. Question #9 - at time, passport
stamps of greater value. Inspector badge number is customers #. "Just
stamp it"; I-94s so difficult to fill it. #12, circle for Customs to review.
Customs would check same passengers with $10K, and wouldn't
recommend secondary. I didn't stamp customs declaration.

• Where were you working on May 2, 2001?

• Do you recollect al Ghamdi?

• Please describe how you conducted the inspection and what transpired, to the best
of your recollection.

Changes at DBS.

• What changes do you see on the front line with the new CBP?

• Are you familiar with National Targeting Center? Yes, not worked with them. 4
colleagues at NTC.

• What effect has US VISIT had on entry and the inspection process? Foundation
ile to
of building of what we need - need more advanced systems and susceptible
viruses.

Use and value of SEVIS. No, no need. Ridge wants to give us better technology.
• Adequate access to DOS visa via the Consular Consolidated Database. Yes.

• If you had a message for Commissioner Bonner what would it be? Keep working
hard for more advanced systems.

• What if you had stolen passport #s automatically checked? Yes - plain and
simple.

• What if you had technology that could detect fraud in documents? Yes.

• What if you had access to an electronic Redbook? Yes.

• Length of stay to return ticket? Yes.

 / Inspector No-|
Primary inspector for Ahmed al lamdi aj
Dulles International Airport on Mav 2. 2001

Use of name in report: The Commission wouig agree, n you want, tnat tne uommissioq
will not use your name or your personal information without prior consultation wit
DHS/CBP about the information we seek to use. Unless we really feel the need, we\t use your name. Howeve

any circumstances use your name. (Circumstances when would use name: probably onl>
in making policy recommendations or factual information that requires a quote.)

Who else has interviewed you: DOJ OIG, FBI, DHS, CBP.

Do you recollect the inspection of this pair Ahmed al Ghamdi on May 2, 2001? /

Were you assigned no. I Ion that date? (J&$ .

Length of service at INS. |

FLETC.
• When did you train? Hdwlong?

Training in CT? /\JQ,

Document fraud?

Databases?

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• Meek- secondary inspections?

• Cultural training? ,
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• Behavioral training? tA/A,

• Language training? (Afo

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• Firearms training?

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 Normal primary.
• Please describe the standard operating procedures you employ in primary
screening, including questions asked, documents reviewed and .
I

'Length oj stay JOT DIS: was tnere a standard lengtn 01 stay given pre y/ 1 1
Was that a port decision, or national operating policy? If you gave less th:
the standard time, were there professional repercussions?
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• Length of stay for B2s: wasthere any discretion in length of stay granted,B2s
pre 9/11? /
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Length of stay for vocational students:_^^w^your understanding of the

rule? Did the one year limitation_»el6dE3^]30_days to leave, or was the 30
days tacked cm at thergn^ofthe sray-strthat thestay irp'SarHy was 13 months?

• Processing time at Dulles: was there a standard processing tim

— Any professional repercussions if did not

meet that processing time? 1X^0

Was there a port policy about referrals to secondary; a certain criteria that had u
to be met to refer ^- -- / €. '

Return ticket/ flight itinerary. Pi itinerary for

unusual travel? For

Review of passport and visa.

• What do vnu lonfr fr>r nn the, to determine whether fraud
or not?

sw^f/p I Can you read Arabic stamps/cacnetS7

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• Have you received any training in reading documents other than

FLETC prior to 9/11? -1
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Does the port always make sure there are inspectors on duty in
secondary with expertise in documents and stamps?

Familiar with the Redbook? /}/0<

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Treatment* ofr Emirates and Saudis. L

• How did inspectors view Saudis pre 9/11? Ever considered a threat to
national security?

At Miami, -did you ever notice^hat anv n

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atmnanties were treated
any differently than others?

• What^roout Saudis in

How did the treatment affect adjudication of Saudis?

If you could not communicate with a Saudi, what would you do?

• Were there any Arabic speakers in INS inspections at Orlando? Did you
always have to rely on the airlines?

• Would the airline help you out?

Profiling.
• What unusual characteristics about an alien applying for admission would
cause you concern and result in a referral to secondary?
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Ahmed al Ghamdi's primary inspection.

Where do you normally work?

Where were you working on May 2, 2001?

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Do you recollect al Ghamdi?

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Please describe how you conducted the inspection and what transpired, to the best
of your recollection. *

Changes at DHS.
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What changes do you see on the front line with the new CBP?

Are you, familiar with National Targeting Center? **

• What effect has US VISIT had on entry and the inspection process?

Use and value of SEVIS.

• Adequate access to DOS visa via the Consular Consolidated Database.

• If you had a message for Commissioner Bonner what wouW it be?

/££&*? t^sfykfa faist* J»

• What if you had stolen passport #s automatically checked?

• What if you had techno fogy that could detect bad ink on a ialamp?

• What if you had access to an electronic Redbook?

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LN: ALGAMDI FN: AHMED SALEH DOB: 07/02/1979 COC : SAUDI
PASSPORT NUMBER C317968 GENDER: M COR: SAUDI
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