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NOTICE : This presentation was given at the October 2007 Lunch N Learn at J&H Machine Tools in Charlotte. The presentation is meant to be viewed with the narration and detailed explanation of the presenter.

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Understanding True Position

Part 1 : Grasping the Basics

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The Part

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The Tolerances

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Part 1 Center

Part 2 Center
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The Tolerance Zone

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Part 1 Center

Part 2 Center
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The Question Which Part is Better?

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Part 1 Center
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Part 1 is within the tolerance zone, but

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Part 2 Center
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Part 2 is closer to the Nominal Center and will assemble easier than Part 1

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How can we set up a tolerance band that fairly and functionally judges the position of features?

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Use a Circle instead of a Square!

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Definition Time!!! The result of a True Position Characteristic is the diameter of a circle, centered on the basic dimensions from the specified datums, that contains the actual center point.

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Mathematically Speaking.

True Position =

X2 + Y2

*2

X = Difference from Basic X value from Actual X value

Y = Difference from Basic Y value from Actual Y value

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Diametral Zone Tolerance

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No Tolerances A Primary, Secondary, Tertiary Datums

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New Part Print w/True Position

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Heres an Example Calculation

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A Actual Measurements : X=2.003 Y=1.004

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CAN WE SHIP IT?

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Actual X = 2.003
Basic X=2.000 X = 0.003 TP = 0.0032+0.0042 TP = 0.009+0.016 TP = TP = 0.025 * 2 .005 * 2 *2 *2 or

Actual Y=1.004
Basic Y=1.000 Y = 0.004 or or so..

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True Position
True Position Result = 0.010

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Hole Center 0.005 from Nominal

Nominal Center at X=2, Y=1 from Basic Dimensions

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A Our True Position is within the Specification. Barely!

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CAN YES, WE SHIP CAN!IT?

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Lets do this very example in Calypso and see if the math works out!

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This is a Theoretical feature with X Y coordinates placed exactly at 2.003 and 1.004.

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Same Print, this time a Real Part

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On a Real Part: X= 1.9619 Y= 1.0081

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Actual X = 1.9619
Basic X = 2.000 X = -0.0381 TP = -0.03812+0.00812 TP = 0.0015+0.0001 * 2 TP = TP = 0.0016 .0390 * 2 *2

Actual Y = 1.0081
Basic Y = 1.000 Y = 0.0081 *2 or or so.. or

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True Position
Hole Center 0.0390 from Nominal

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Nominal Center at X=2, Y=1 from Basic Dimensions

True Position Result = 0.0779

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Explanation Time!!! The GD&T standard specifies that the FUNCTIONAL center be used for calculations. This means for a hole, that the Maximum Inscribed fit be used. Calypso does this automatically!

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Lets see how this changes things.

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Watch out for Outliers!

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Now that we have that sorted out, ONE MORE TIME! X= 1.9504 Y= 1.0104

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Actual X = 1.9504
Basic X = 2.000 X = -0.0496 TP = -0.04962+0.01042 TP = 0.0025+0.0001 * 2 TP = TP = 0.0026 .0507 * 2 *2

Actual Y = 1.0104
Basic Y = 1.000 Y = 0.0104 *2 or or so.. or

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True Position
Hole Center 0.0507 from Nominal

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Nominal Center at X=2, Y=1 from Basic Dimensions

True Position Result = 0.1014

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ONE MORE THING..

You might say :

So if True Position only gives me distance from center, how do I know how to make my offsets?

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Turn on Additional Position Result in the Characteristic Settings Editor.

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Youve got Questions, We have answers.

Understanding True Position Part 1 : Grasping the Basics