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Tue 27 Oct 2009 by abagond ( world doctrine, also called the just world fallacy and just world hypothesis, is the belief that the world is pretty much just or at least ones corner of it even if the rest of the world is screwed up. There are imperfections, of course like Nixon, Enron, Abu Ghraib, Love Canal and the death of Sean Bell. And of course new laws and reforms are needed from time to time too and maybe a bit of sensitivity training. But by and large society is just. Justice is not a hope for the future but an achievement of the present. No messiahs need apply. From what I can tell, this seems to be one of the main differences in how whites and blacks think about America and why they often talk past each other: most whites seem to take it for granted, assume it, while most blacks do not. The experience of most blacks in America, particularly those who are poor or who live in ghettos, is not of a just world. Injustice is not a matter of a few imperfections it comes standard; it goes straight down to the heart of what America is. Meanwhile it seems like most White Americans do believe in just world doctrine. So much so that some take it as a given and reason backwards from it: if America is just, then so are the police and the courts, the schools and the press and even, for the most part, large companies. Not perfectly just, of course, but for the most part. And if America is just then racism can no longer a big issue and the troubles that blacks still have must be all their own fault or just their imagination. You see that all the time in comments on this blog. And you hear it from the mouths of Rented Negroes and other well-paid blacks. Why people believe in just world doctrine:

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It is pushed on television and at school particularly in history books and on the news. It allows the winners of society to feel they won fair and square, that they are good people; that the losers need to grow up and stop complaining. If power in society and the world is exercised in your interests, there is little reason to question it or doubt its goodness. It can be comforting to think society is just and orderly even if you are at the bottom (though it is harder to believe). The winners think society is just and have the power to push that belief on others. And they succeed in doing that with the broad middle of society. But it is not just those blacks who love to complain and blame others who disbelieve in just world doctrine. Neither does the Bible, The Economist, Shakespeare, Jefferson, Lord Acton, Orwell, Thucydides, Tolkien, Plato or Aristotle, to name a few. In the Bible justice does not come till the end of time on Judgement Day. Meanwhile sin rules the world because of mans fallen nature.

( See also: Apple-pie America ( All the best writers live north of 110th Street ( black patriotism ( The police ( Sean Bell ( black ghettos ( white privilege ( How to argue like a white racist (../2009/10/05/how-to-argue-like-a-white-racist/) just world doctrine is not racist in and of itself, but it is often assumed in racist arguments. Believers: black house Negroes ( John McWhorter (
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Will Smith ( Amy Holmes ( not black The New York Times (../2006/11/01/the-new-york-times/) Churchill ( Rush Limbaugh ( George Bush (../2006/12/13/bush/) Barbara Bush Cindy McCain ( Pat Buchanan ( Steve Sailer ( Doubters: black Malcolm X ( Angela Davis ( Martin Luther King, Jr (../2009/02/23/2009/01/20/martin-luther-king-jr/) Jamaica Kincaid ( Barack Obama ( Michelle Obama ( bell hooks ( James Baldwin ( not black Sonia Sotomayor ( Orwell ( Tolkien ( the Bible ( The Economist ( Jefferson ( Hobbes (../2007/07/16/hobbes/) Plato ( Aristotle ( Kissinger ( Lenin ( Chomsky (../2007/06/25/chomsky/) St Francis of Assisi ( Posted in fallacies, racist arguments, white people | 12 Comments

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on Wed 28 Oct 2009 at 17:18:38

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Another brilliant post.

Olivia on Wed 28 Oct 2009 at 22:07:31 Will Smith lol Do you reckon its cos hes golden boy? Hes oblivious perhaps?

peanut on Thu 29 Oct 2009 at 00:11:19 THIS world is evil, full of hate and blood, there is no hope for this world. I hope that 2012 brings a comet that will blow the earth out of the universe and erase all of the disgusting human beings in it. yeah, people arent born evil tho, gradually some people become evil, we were made in Gods image to love God and love others as ourselves. To quote the movie a summer place, our sole purpose 4 existence is to love and de loved.

peanut yep..good film deep and then molly gets knocked up in the end

on Thu 29 Oct 2009 at 00:13:50

peanut Lets go judegment day!

on Thu 29 Oct 2009 at 00:20:31

I cant stand this world and the creatures in it! Cant wait to go home to the spirit world! ummso r u just gonna sit around till judgement day and not try to make the world a more beautiful place??

abagond on Fri 30 Oct 2009 at 02:42:19 I agree about Oprah and Will Smith, but, just for the record, I am not in favour of a comet falling on us. The world is screwed up but it can be made better, at least to a degree.

Ash I love the Care Bear photo you used for this topic.

on Wed 1 Sep 2010 at 00:03:26

RDKirk on Wed 1 Sep 2010 at 00:28:06 >>The experience of most blacks in America, particularly those who are poor or who live in ghettos, is not of a just world. Injustice is not a matter of a few imperfections it comes standard; it goes straight down to the heart of what America is.<< I had a discussion with a white Boomer not long ago. He opened the discussion with, "Dont you wish it was the 50s again?" I looked at him closely to see if he was serious. He was. When I pointed out the reasons I am glad as hell its not still the 50s, we debated, with him coming to the statement, "But you have to admit there was more common decency back then."
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I attempted to point out to him that for black people walking the streets around white people who had the legal right to kill or rape them and suffer no social consequences, for people who are routinely and uniformaly denied food in most restaurants, medical care in most hospitals, even the use of a bathroom in most facilities, there IS NO "COMMON" DECENCY. What is common in that kind of society is INDECENCY. "Well," he said, "that only affected a small number of people."


on Thu 7 Feb 2013 at 18:24:46

abagond @ Legion Thanks!

on Thu 7 Feb 2013 at 20:13:47

Here is the Xinhua story on Chinas human rights report on the U.S for 2011: And the report itself:

Legion Youre welcome Aba.

on Thu 7 Feb 2013 at 20:39:58

There are at least two names above in the black doubters section whose names should be crossed out (not deleted). Its not about ones skin colour and pretty rhetoric and personal fantasies we want someone to be, its about what is reality. One day maybe you will agree. Did you do an internet search on Valerie Jarrett and Obama for Chicago corruption yet? No need to
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respond, Im not trying to start a conversation, Im just giving you a reminder. Will you search for that as quickly as you searched for the updated human rights report from China?


on Mon 29 Apr 2013 at 06:49:11

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