The Feelings of White People

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Tue 17 Nov 2009 by abagond (http://abagond.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/angry-terribletwos-pop-art_wallpaper.jpg)White Americans often derail an argument about race by making it about their feelings. The feelings of white people, for some strange reason, matter more than the truth. White womens tears are a good example. Sometimes they make it about your feelings as a person of colour: you are oversensitive, angry, hateful, whining, etc. Either way the argument is shifted away from facts and reasons, rights and wrongs to what? Feelings. Feelings which only they can know even if they are yours! (Try telling them you are not hateful, for example.) That puts them in control of the now-derailed argument. In the most common case they get angry because they think you are calling them a racist. That they might in fact be racist does not matter just their hurt feelings. But while their feelings are the centre of the known universe, they use your feelings to belittle your experience, to assume you are unreasonable, the kind who imagines things or blows them out of proportion. Sometimes they use their feelings as a kind of blackmail. As Renee of Womanist Musings put it: We are routinely told if we spoke in nicer terms we would be less alienating, as though whiteness has any real interest in divesting itself of its power. Gee, if only we had realized that the key to ending white hegemony was speaking in respectful terms, it never would have been necessary to go through the heartache and strife of a civil rights movement. Some call this the tone argument. Nezua the Unapologetic Mexican calls it the Drowning Maestro.
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Some of his examples: Wed admit about your point if you presented it nicer. People would listen to your complaint if you werent so loud. If you want people to care about this, you should learn to be smoother. Nezua: what really bothers them is that a brown person has the nerve to speak with such self-confidence and passion. This, in fact, scares them. what is really desired is for the brown person to admit the desired hierarchy, to get back in place. He agrees with Renee that they have no interest in hearing people of colour not even the nicest, smoothest and most respectful ones. How we know: if you stepped on my foot, say, I might be angry, I might be loud, I might seem oversensitive or like I am whining (after all it is my foot that is in pain, not yours), I might not be smooth, I might seem hateful, etc. But then for you to say stuff like this: Id admit I stepped on your foot if you said it nicer. I would listen to your complaint if you werent so loud. If you want me to care about your foot, you should learn to be smoother. only proves that you do not care at all, that you are a jerk who just wants me to shut up and move on. See also: Womanist Musings: Some White People (http://www.womanist-musings.com/2009/04/some-whitepeople.html) Nezuas Glosario (http://www.theunapologeticmexican.org/glosario.html) The Drowning Maestro (http://www.theunapologeticmexican.org/glosario.html#maestro) How to argue like a white racist (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/how-to-argue-like-awhite-racist/) derailing (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/derailing-for-dummies/) white womens tears (../2010/06/11/white-womens-tears/) The r-word (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/the-r-word/) Are most white people benevolently clueless? (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/aremost-white-people-benevolently-clueless/) rhetoric (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2006/06/24/rhetoric/) My philosophy of writing (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/my-philosophy-of-writing/) Posted in 2000s, America, race, racism, racist arguments, white people | 55 Comments
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Mr Timely on Wed 18 Nov 2009 at 13:03:21 Good post, except for the flawed foot analogy. In terms of race, white people dont even know that
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theyve stepped on your foot.
abagond I think their cluelessness is mostly an act:
on Wed 18 Nov 2009 at 13:13:53
http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/are-most-white-people-benevolently-clueless/ and, of course, unbelievably self-serving: http://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/why-whites-are-blind-to-their-racism/ http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/the-white-lens/
blackgirlinmaine on Wed 18 Nov 2009 at 15:10:26 You summed up well the way I feel on this matter. I write about diversity for a local publication in my area and my editor and I (he is white/I am black) really could not get why he was only not understanding me but was actually offending me. I had written about the Gates issue over the summer and I felt like the onus was being placed on me with no regards for him and by extension our white readers to accept responsibility for their feelings. Anyway great post!
Susan on Wed 18 Nov 2009 at 15:53:40 This post sums it up really well; the stepping-on-the-foot illustration is very helpful. I used to think the problem when I tried to explain something (be it race issues, work issues, personal issues, etc.) was my lack of clarity or eloquence, so I was always doubting myself. Now I realize that sometimes people dont want to understand what is being said, as it might require them to take responsibility and do something. In fact, sometimes it seems the clearer I am and the more obvious the issue, the more people act like Im speaking a different language they cant understand. It can really do a number on your self-confidence. But Nezua is right! In many situations, not just race related, once you get back in line, know your place, comply, and say the right things suddenly Im speaking clearly again and everyone can understand me! For any other social issue eg: domestic violence, drunk driving, etc. the issue itself gets discussed. There may be debate and differing viewpoints, but you never (at least I dont) hear complaints that the issues arent being raised nicely enough or respectfully enough. Imagine how absurd it would be if I said we need to find ways to address child abuse and my audience responded with Wed admit your point if you presented it nicer. Come on, would anyone have the nerve to say I would care about ending child abuse, if only she wasnt so hostile when she talks about it. Either you care about the issue or you dont. Thank you for continuing to provide posts that help us see and understand whats really going on, and which help me to know that Im not imagining it all!
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Jamdown on Wed 18 Nov 2009 at 21:20:13 Even if you make the point in a nice, Christian way, they still dont get it. They just do not want to hear the truth if it is at their expense. At Slate.com, someone started a post claiming that Michelle Obama is plain. Another poster called her ugly as sin. When someone pointed out that this could be seen as racism, the poster of course started whining about being called a racist. It was quite pathetic.
abagond Susan said:
on Wed 18 Nov 2009 at 22:00:33
I used to think the problem when I tried to explain something (be it race issues, workissues, personal issues, etc.) was my lack of clarity or eloquence, so I was always doubting myself. Now I realize that sometimes people dont want to understand what is being said, as it might require them to take responsibility and do something. In fact, sometimes it seems the clearer I am and the more obvious the issue, the more people act like Im speaking a different language they cant understand. It can really do a number on your self-confidence. LOL. Same here!
orchid on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 00:38:58 yawn, yet ANOTHER bashing of american whites. so very typical and very 1990s. universities have given up on this stuff because its all the same and quite dull. your articles, abagond, are just unscientific ranting, and very unconvincing. seems like only your feelings count, doesnt it?
Gen on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 00:50:22 Its so yawn yet it got you to sit your butt down and write a paragraph.
AO Seems like orchid is just mad cos she didnt write it.. hahahaha
on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 01:16:27
abagond Orchid:
on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 01:35:54
You win the Roissy for this thread: you proved my point in the act of disagreeing with it. And on comment #8 no less! Just like I said in the post you are trying to make it about feelings my own (seems like only your feelings count, doesnt it?) as well as yours (its all the same and quite dull). If only I had a nicer way of presenting my case then you might listen again, just like in the post. You even seek to discredit me as someone mainly driven by my feelings: unscientfiic rantings.
dani on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 01:38:21 Orchid yawn at the same old tired stuff he/she reads but stumbles on Abagonds blog to post
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anyways. Lame!
leigh204 Some people will never get it will they?
on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 01:46:21
therighttoparty on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 03:19:05 this is completely absurd in my honest opinion. the feelings of white people. how insightful of a post is this meant to be exactly? ill take it as a post fueled by distasteful experiences. but i wont deny that what Abagond said may be true to a certain extent.
Kit (Keep It Trill) on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 03:46:54 Abagond, youre so accurate and succinct. Ive run two posts on racism this week, and its annoying when an obsessive racist will cherry-pick for one thing they can disagree on, or distract or derail the topic, or turn it about their feelings to legitimize their offensiveness, and their-their-their ad nauseum. They wait for the its okay, honey chile like spoiled brats waiting for mommy to forgive their temper tantrum, and then do it again. One was so sneaky that he or she pretended to be black but was in fact, white. While a number of whites are doing honest introspection on themselves, the blind, hardcore racist, justifies their offensiveness, resents sharing the planet, and is scared sh*tless of equality. Its crazy when you think about it, because multicultural friends and activities are fun, but they havent discovered that. The racist mindset has turned some of them into dangerous, pistol-packing fools just dying for the next Hurricane Katrina or a social meltdown so theyll have an excuse to shoot innocent brown people. I find that group of haters more terrifying than terrorists.
Elsariel on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 15:16:25 In the most common case they get angry because they think you are calling them a racist. This is what I think is at the heart of the matter. During talks of racism, its not easy not to take things personally if youre white. Its hard not to get upset when its implied that people with skin color the same as your own are perpetuating racism in ways you werent even aware of, or that even YOU were perpetuating racism unwittingly. I think defensiveness and hurt feelings are normal for those who are being exposed to the truth for the first time. Its one of the first stages towards racial sobriety.
abagond on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 15:38:11 Sometimes white people are truly clueless, sometimes it is just an act. How I tell the difference:
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http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/are-most-white-people-benevolently-clueless/
Elsariel on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 16:52:21 Thanks for the link, agabond. I enjoyed reading that post. I still think its more akin to alchololism and grief then simply stepping on a persons foot. According to the Institute for Recovery from Racisms, there are stages of racial sobriety: denial, anger, barganing, depression, acceptance, re-engagement, and forgiveness. I see it like this: Whites who talk all about their hurt feelings are in the denial/anger stage. Whites who talk use the Arab Trader argument are in the barganing stage. Unfortunately, some whites dont get past the barganing stage. Some however, do and enter the depression stage and envelope themselves with self-hatred. If you can get past self-hatred, then youre on your way to actually improving yourself and can work towards combating racism and white supremacy in your life. Thats how I see it, anyway. Im certainly no expert.
abagond on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 17:05:38 That is an interesting racism as being like alcoholism. I will have to look into that. You might be interested in this post: http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/growing-up-white/
Arianna on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 17:07:39 Its similar to when some white people get bothered with the term african-american. the common argument is why dont you just say youre an american without the hyphen..thats why we have so much racism because you guys distance yourselves. if youre an american be an american. Completely disregarding the fact that African-American is a term coined sometime around the 1980s and racism has been going on wayyy longer than that. Its a way for them to deflect the real argument and make themselves feel better. I dont even bother entertaining a convo with someone who has this narcissistic, I-can-never-be-wrong world view. If you werent racist you wouldnt get so defensive. Kind of like how a pathological liar always thinks everyone else is lying. They are telling on themselves when they do that
Elsariel on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 17:14:10 @abagond Yes! That post is very similar to how I think it goes with most white folks. My own experience was different, although, there will always be exceptions to the rule.
abagond therighttoparty said:
on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 19:41:48
this is completely absurd in my honest opinion. the feelings of white people. how insightful of a post is this meant to be exactly?
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Well, if it is absurd, then it cannot be insightful. Just how is it absurd? This kind of stuff does not matter to you? Or you think I am making it up? It did not make sense? What do you mean?
Big Man on Thu 19 Nov 2009 at 21:29:28 I really like your blog, just found it and I am impressed with what youre doing here. However, I think you were wrong when you wrote this: Either way the argument is shifted away from facts and reasons, rights and wrongs to what? Feelings The truth is, right and wrong along with many facts and reasons are based on feelings. Our personal feelings dictate our outlook on what is reasonable, or factual, or right or wrong. Yes, it is irritating when white people derail conversations with an insistence to discuss their feelings, but the real problem for me is that they assume their feelings are more important than mine.
Pat on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 02:55:09 Dude, youre getting so boring and predictable. DO you have any interests besides hating white people? Do you have any hobbies? Any passions? Do you blog about any other topics? Does this make you feel proud and accomplished? Youre just preaching to the choir. You seem like a very pathetic and sad person. Youre literally obsessed with white folks. You need to get a life. You need a girlfriend or something. Go get some exercise.
Herneith on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 03:28:08 Dude, youre getting so boring and predictable. DO you have any interests besides hating white people? Do you have any hobbies? Any passions? Do you blog about any other topics? Does this make you feel proud and accomplished? Youre just preaching to the choir. You seem like a very pathetic and sad person. Youre literally obsessed with white folks. You need to get a life. You need a girlfriend or something. Go get some exercise. Youve just proved his point! If you had bothered to peruse this blog, you would have seen that there are many topics that are not just about the writers hatred for white people. Had you done so you would have noticed this even on a cursory level(presuming you just perused the blog topics by going to the index section ). Hence your condescending manner is uncalled for. Since you felt a need to respond in this way by attacking him personally, I can only presume he has hit a nerve. If you found his writing to be so obsessive towards whites, you should have gone elsewhere where the blogging would be to your liking. Instead, you felt compelled to attack his personality and his intentions. These types of retorts to this subject, are beginning to sound like broken records and if nothing else, humorous. This comment supplies a good example of what Abagond is trying to illustrate.
leigh204 ^ As always, Herneith, very well said.
on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 03:43:58
abagond @ Herneith: Thank you.
on Fri 20 Nov 2009 at 03:50:12
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@ Pat: In general I delete comments that call people names. They prove nothing and just get people angry.
Kyle I disagree with almost everyone here.
on Wed 23 Dec 2009 at 05:22:26
And yes Herneith, I have read abagonds other posts and while he is more balanced than most, when it comes down to his/her thoughts on white people and topics involving racism, abagond starts off with good intentions but ends up becoming something completely different. Any debate is met with Well if you dont totally agree with me, youre a racist or youre wrong. Ive seen countless examples of abagond and others shooting down a commenter who dares to contradict any of their points. Ive even seen the all too funny: Where are your facts/statistics? I have yet to see ANYONE on here making their case with the use of statistics even though many are readily available. so why on earth should any dissenting viewpoint be required to provide statistics? leigh204 might have made the only worthwhile comment with: Some people will never get it will they? I couldnt agree more, it looks like Orchid doesnt get it. But neither do leigh204, abagond or almost every other commenter.
AO on Wed 23 Dec 2009 at 05:28:46 Kyle, as with everyone on this post, you are entitled to your opinion. That is the point.
Kyle AO, of course I realize everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
on Wed 23 Dec 2009 at 06:01:01
Im simply voicing my frustration that no matter where I go and no matter the topic (racism, politics, foreign affairs, etc) it seems like there is absolutely no serious discussion taking place, period. I rarely post anywhere, on blogs or forums because there is no serious discussion. The reason I have chosen to do so here is because this blog isnt a disaster zone yet. He/She makes good points, its just in many cases (s)he goes even further and makes a bunch of ridiculous, unsubstantiated claims. And I realize no one is going to be completely objective and Im guessing many times abagond is just ranting.
abagond
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What things could I do to make it better?
Blackcherry Kyle I disagree with almost everyone here.
on Wed 23 Dec 2009 at 10:54:52
And yes Herneith, I have read abagonds other posts and while he is more balanced than most, when it comes down to his/her thoughts on white people and topics involving racism, abagond starts off with good intentions but ends up becoming something completely different. Any debate is met with Well if you dont totally agree with me, youre a racist or youre wrong. Ive seen countless examples of abagond and others shooting down a commenter who dares to contradict any of their points. Ive even seen the all too funny: Where are your facts/statistics? I have yet to see ANYONE on here making their case with the use of statistics even though many are readily available. so why on earth should any dissenting viewpoint be required to provide statistics? leigh204 might have made the only worthwhile comment with: Some people will never get it will they? I couldnt agree more, it looks like Orchid doesnt get it. But neither do leigh204, abagond or almost every other commenter. Youre just an example of the post itself. You come on here calling everybody clueless because they arent buttering up white people like you want them to. You think what you feel is more important than the truth just because youre white you think your feelings are more important than anything. This topic is not about agreeing, its about white people who believe their feelings, thoughts and what they want is more important than everything. White people and their typical god-complex.
abagond Kyle:
on Wed 23 Dec 2009 at 12:16:37
Far from being a rant full of unsubstiantiated claims, this post gets at one of the main troubles I have on this blog (and which I think anyone who tries to honestly discuss race in America will have): on the one hand I want as many white commenters as I can get but on the other hand I must be honest too. Being truthful drives away whites. For example, at the end of September I wrote What this blog has taught me about white people. Soon after I lost two of my best white commenters and a fourth of my
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traffic. So, despite the anonymity of the Internet, it is hard to have a discussion about race with whites: if you are too truthful, it drives them away. If you tiptoe round certain things, you can get more white commenters, but the discussion is less fruitful because certain things are understood to be out of bounds. So the blogosphere winds up like a high school cafeteria where blacks and whites sit at separate tables.
Kyle on Wed 23 Dec 2009 at 21:16:12 The problem I have would be with the stuff you have in other posts/blog entries such as: doctors try harder to save white patients over black ones. Racism does play a role when an insurance company accepts or denies a claim. You used the example of the homeless black guy vs. the rich/middle class white girl. Chances are, any homeless guy regardless of race is going to be shoved off to the side. And I would also agree that the older you are, the smaller the chances of you getting care: In my area this happened very recently: there was an old, poor (economically) white guy, he waited for 24 HOURS at an ER, collapsed and died as the nurses and administrators chose to ignore him. And by chose to ignore him, I mean he was desperate and went over to the counter many, many times only to be told to sit back down and wait. The whole thing was captured on video. I am sure that race, age and economic status do play a role in determining treatment, however: When it comes down to an emergency like a heart attack or a car crash, a doctor will try hard to save your life, regardless of your race. (At least in my opinion) You could have chosen to make the point about discrimination and racism at hospitals and insurance companies but you went straight to: doctors try harder to save white patients. I have a problem with stuff like this because I have a hard time believing it. In some extremely rare circumstances could this be the case? Yes, but you make it sound like this is a daily reality. Obviously no one wants to dance around the issue instead of hitting the nail on the head (unless of course youre a white person, no not all white people but most). But I dont think stuff like doctors try harder to save white patients adds anything to the discussion and the only thing these kind of comments will do is make it harder to sit down and talk openly about racism and how it is still alive and well. I prefer to stick to stuff like this: White people and any non-black person will get less prison time for the same crime.
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A white person gets charged with possession of illegal substance whereas a black person with the same amount is charged with intent to distribute (much more serious offense). A study recently showed that around 2/3s of Americans respond to the face of a black man with fear. (This was extremely scientific, they measured it with brain activity.) And by the way this was across all races, everyone had around the same response to a black face vs. a white one. Why? Because these are opinions based on fact whereas something like: doctors try harder to save white patients is an opinion that I have an extremely hard time believing. I used to volunteer at a hospital and I know many doctors and nurses and still do. If a patient is coming in by ambulance, collapses at the door, or is in serious distress, the doctors and nurses jump into action, race doesnt play any part in my opinion. I would be interested in looking at the administrative and insurance side because thats where racism probably does exist in healthcare. Obviously all of the above is opinion and personal accounts with the exception of the law being unfair and the study I talked about. As an aside: With all that time volunteering and being at hospitals, if youre in for long term care, ALWAYS ask the doctors and nurses to wash their hands. They seem to be too lazy, forgetful or they just dont care. Ive seen patients die of infections (and not what they were originally brought in for) and in the back of my mind, Im thinking it could be because the doctors and nurses arent washing their hands. I didnt just stand by, I complained (as in filed a complaint) about it but I doubt one guy complaining about it is going to change anything.
Kyle on Wed 23 Dec 2009 at 21:35:31 Because the post above is so long Ill just try and tell you how I feel about this blog: Good intentions and many good points however sometimes you make claims that are baseless, they may seem true to you but what you see as truth, I see as wrong and what a white person may see as insulting. No one wants to tiptoe around and avoid issues because white people will try to stop the discussion if you are frank, and brutally honest about the discrimination and racism that black people face, but: I see some of your posts and claims (that I believe are false or arent very representative of what youre trying to say) as loading the gun for white people to shoot down the argument and derail the discussion.
Kyle on Wed 23 Dec 2009 at 21:43:32 Blackcherry my comment was a commentary on his/her blog in general and not this one topic.
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Im not very tech savvy so when I was here, I just posted my thoughts.
abagond Kyle:
on Wed 23 Dec 2009 at 21:51:32
Excellent comments! Thank you for being honest and specific. It gives me something to think about.
Will on Sun 7 Mar 2010 at 07:08:55 Its a delusion they live by. Whites never want to take responsibility for anything theyve done in the past or present when it came to people of color. Yet, they will preach about personal responsibility. Like you said, they care more about their feelings than bare facts because we know if we told white people the truth, their world crashes around them. They know they have the power and privilege, and they do not want to relinquish any of it. In fact most desire more to live in a false sense of superiority. Privilege is like a drug to them when you think about it.
darrin on Wed 17 Mar 2010 at 11:10:48 First time visitor. Afa the whites dont want to relinquish power and they just dont want to admit theyre racists comments are concerned: I havent any more power than you do, and Ive given the topic of racism a wide berth since a discussion in which I was assured that althought I wasnt overtly racist, I was subconsciously racist, because all white people are one or the other. If any discussion of racism requires that all whites acknowledge themselves as overt or unconscious racists, I can see where getting a discussion started is problematic: anyone who wants me to acknowledge that Im a racist, whether I know it or not, has gone too far over the illogical line for me. I dont know how to figure out whats going on in someone elses subconscious and I dont believe anyone else does, either. All I can go on is what people actually say and do, and juding by that, ime the door to the Bigots Clubhouse is not marked whites only. Or irrational on the subject of skin colour, either, for that matter. For whatever it says of my opinion of humanity, I think there are always going to be bigots. And people who yell discrimination/reverse discrimination to get what they want or get out of what theyve got coming. The best the rest of us can do is treat the people around us with the same courtesy we want them to show us and speak up when somethings clearly unfair, no matter who its unfair to, and recognize the irrational as such, no matter who its coming from, and treat it as such. Thats the best I can do, and if it makes me a racist, well, so be it.
Dochartaigh on Tue 23 Mar 2010 at 13:38:37 How we know: if you stepped on my foot, say, I might be angry, I might be loud, I might seem oversensitive or like I am whining (after all it is my foot that is in pain, not yours), I might not be smooth, I might seem hateful, etc. Well if I stepped on someones foot and they yelled at me, called me an asshole and then shoved me,
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it would be very likely there would be a fight. If I stepped on someones foot and they said ouch you stepped on my foot I would definitely apologize for my mistake. It is human nature to defend against aggression abagond, even if Im the one to unintentionally cause it.
no_slappz abagond, you wrote:
on Tue 23 Mar 2010 at 13:53:37
So, despite the anonymity of the Internet, it is hard to have a discussion about race with whites: if you are too truthful, it drives them away. Too truthful? Ha. You and other black commenters make it abundantly clear you live in the black alternate reality. Thus, what you call truth most white readers call delusion. Its that simple. The bigger problem with your view is the fact that it is well articulated. You succeed in convincing white readers that the black alternate reality is a comprehensive state of mind that has emerged from much thought and consideration. Therefore, a lot of white readers will say to themselves, oh my, they really do believe a lot of nonsense. Anyway, as Ive said, the black indictment of whites would get more consideration if the black nations of the world were more successful. But since chaos and poverty are the defining characteristics of almost every black nation, whites have no reason to feel responsible for black problems.
Mira on Tue 23 Mar 2010 at 14:26:47 People need to realize every person is subjective. We all should try to be as objective as we can, but its impossible to be 100% objective. What I like about Abagond is that he seems aware of this fact, and doesnt try to run away from his subjectivity (which is blatantly obvious in his (in)famous posts about women and their physical beauty). However, subjectivity as not the same thing as a lie. If you try to be honest, if you want to write the truth, you will write the truth. Of course, this truth is going to be subjective. However, if you write it and see nobody agrees with your views, you might say its your individual, unique, or at least not popular view on the subject. But if many people agree with your points, you can say youre not the only one experiencing the same things. From what I can see here, all (or almost all) posters agree on what Abagond is writing- whether they support it or not. Whether they are white or black, Asian or mixed. So I guess Abagonds views on race (not women, though) are, as far as I can see, really popular and everyone seems to take them as true (whether they call it white supremacy or black delusion).
abagond Dochartaigh said:
on Tue 23 Mar 2010 at 15:53:38
Well if I stepped on someones foot and they yelled at me, called me an asshole and then shoved me, it would be very likely there would be a fight. If I stepped on someones foot and they said ouch you stepped on my foot I would definitely apologize for my mistake. It is human nature to defend against aggression abagond, even if Im the one to unintentionally cause it.
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So which level am I at? Am I yelling and shoving, sotospeak?
The Great White Man on Mon 12 Apr 2010 at 12:46:36 Many AA are just plain ignorant. When you correct them on the ignorance..then you are a racist white devil..smh I dont know about most people, but when you read something and you know its bogus, do you just have that human urge to correct it? I dont know thats how Ive always been Correcting lies makes you a racistaccording to AAs now.. SMH
Cyclonus on Fri 23 Jul 2010 at 22:33:16 Hell Im white and I have plenty of black friends. When will people learn its not about race, its about class. If I could I would abolish black history month and other things that seperate us and create human history month. For you see we are all humans and the hammer and sickle unites us. No gods,no masters,no race,no countries just red blood inside us all.
Ankhesen Mi Oooooh I love this one! Brava, Maestro!
on Wed 28 Jul 2010 at 20:05:08
E. on Sat 25 Dec 2010 at 01:59:34 Abagond, I agree with you about their cluelessness. Very good article.
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Michelle on Tue 22 May 2012 at 15:40:19 Okay I have something to say to all of the people that were offended by Abagonds post.When you came on here you had a chance to show that you were different.but you failed by displaying the same ignorance that was discussed. You have no right to tell a person that their true feelings are wrong. You have not walked in their shoes, experienced life through their eyes and ears. If you truly are not racist and you really are clueless as to what makes someone think you are racist.then try being concerned about what it was that you said or did that made that person come to that conclusion and sincerely apologize and never do it again. If you are using words or phrases that were passed down from generations that you really are clueless about their origination.then maybe you should do some research before you continue using themthat is if you really arent racist. Someone that experiences racism daily from birth and has yet to meet a white person that has not been racist has every right to draw these conclusions and they do not need statistics to prove it. Think for a moment what brought you here to this site? I would have never seen it had I not been doing a search for why are people racist?What were your intentions?
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Nutricide by Dr. Llaila Afrika Conversations with supposedly nice, well-meaning Caucasians can cause destructive emotions, anger, boredom, frustration, and stress in African people. Since African people are highly melaninated, it causes them to be highly emotional psychic and spiritually sensitive. Therefore, Africans can feel Caucasians are deceitfully hiding their insincerity and are dependent on word order or a logical, rational thinking, which relies on word process. In other words, Caucasians feel that if something makes sense to them it must make sense to everyone. This is arrogance. This is part of their religious belief in the myth of White Supremacy. Caucasian conversation has no rhythm and relies on words (fragments) to explain their ideas. African conversations are chemical and rely on the holistic visualization of the concept (picture) to explain the holistic ideas. Caucasians typically move to prove their ideas with statistics, research, or laws of average. African people typically are in harmony with nature and themselves, and use direct, honest and open ideas as proof. This is confusing to hear for the linear communication ear of Caucasians. Words to African people are used in a ritual and ceremonial ethnic fashion and paint pictures. Words for Caucasians are not culturally based, but imagined to be a pure form of logic process. They do not see how Eurocentric their words are. Caucasian words are based on superstitions, self-centeredness, and the collective mental illness of being a psychotic (White Supremacy is a psychosis.) They tend to focus on a single idea (fragment) and ignore the total ideas as a concept of spiritual and communal rhythmic harmony. Fundamentally, the problem with Caucasian and African communication is the mentally ill (Caucasian) talking to the sane (African.) An African would have to be out of his mind and into the Caucasian mind in order to communicate effectively with a Caucasian. An African out of his mind usually has adopted Caucasian thinking processes and does not see the Caucasian as a part of a mentally ill civilization. In any case, Caucasian conversation is nutritionally draining to Africans because of the built-in psychosis of it, the arrogant insulting tone of it, and the double-talk nature of it (conflicting ideas, right and wrong mixed, important words are long words, etc.). Caucasian conversation is a series of words being processed and is self-centered. It causes Africans to have stress, emotional torture, mental confustion and it is spiritually upsetting. Africans may not consciously be aware of the sympathetic nervous system reaction to the Caucasian verbal assaults, but they do feel a sense of vagueness and emptiness from Caucasian word salads. Caucasians typically use cliches, socially pleasant sentences, I am a nice white person talking to a Negro tone in their voice; I am not a racist, but I am white and superior tone, and the Africans inner self reacts to this toxic verbal energy. The melanin dominated African holistically feels the toxic energy and they must ignite the immune system to defend them from Caucasian word use. It nutritionally requires extra vitamin B6, phenylanlanine, yucca, suma gingko, tryptophane, rosemary, gotu kola, L-dopa, niacinamide, methionine,
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tyrosine, ginseng, and a natural diet consisting of raw food to cope with the subtle energy loss caused by the word abuse (unholistic conversation) of Caucasian White Supremacists. This was so perfectly stated, I just had to share it. It would serve PoC to take heed to Dr. Afrikas suggestion and be cautious when dealing with White Supremacists (white people.)
SomeGuy @ Spokesman Thank you for that information!
on Sat 1 Sep 2012 at 03:50:25
Matari on Sat 1 Sep 2012 at 07:14:30 Caucasians typically use cliches, socially pleasant sentences, I am a nice white person talking to a Negro tone in their voice; I am not a racist, but I am white and superior tone, and the Africans inner self reacts to this toxic verbal energy. **************** Spokesman Having lived among whites for a time, I can vouch first hand for the complete accuracy and stunning insightfulness for ALL of Dr. Afrikas observations. This articulates EVERY THING Ive witnessed, felt and imagined about white people generally being spiritually stunted/melanin lacking/psychologically disconnected Even the need of extra herbs, nutrients, vitamins to bolster our *attacked* immune system (due to our existence in a toxic white dominated/centric framework) is dead on. High blood pressure, Strokes, Heart Disease, et al Im echoing SomeGuys thanks! Much appreciation for sharing this.
B. R. on Sat 1 Sep 2012 at 10:54:19 There certainly are things in those descriptions that ring true, the systematic dependance on statistics and logic, and, for sure white people that wrap themselves up in their whiteness really do come across as pshycotic
Yawn on Sat 1 Sep 2012 at 16:43:06 This articulates EVERY THING Ive witnessed, felt and imagined about white people generally being spiritually stunted/melanin lacking/psychologically disconnected Mmmm, and the afrocentric viewpoint of degrading whites continues.
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No different then swapping out white people for x and melanin lacking for malanated. And you wonder why people are deemed unbelievably gullible. I guess the intellectual conversations about race has gone to the dogs, figuratively.
truthbetold @ Matari
on Sat 1 Sep 2012 at 17:24:48
Im researching the pineal gland and how it relates to your insightful comment. Since the pineal gland is responsible forwelleverything but especially the production of melanin, Im wondering if maybe thats the culprit. Since the beginning of life there was black. Our spirituality and connection to Jah is in our blood. Literally. I will look into this more.
truthbetold @ Spokeman:
on Sat 1 Sep 2012 at 17:42:50
Conversations with supposedly nice, well-meaning Caucasians can cause destructive emotions, anger, boredom, frustration, and stress in African people. Since African people are highly melaninated, it causes them to be highly emotional psychic and spiritually sensitive. Therefore, Africans can feel Caucasians are deceitfully hiding their insincerity and are dependent on word order or a logical, rational thinking, which relies on word process. Thank you! I used to be wiped out after talking to whites. I mean drained.like I needed to lie down. I sunk deeper and deeper into a depression after being around them. I soaked up their vibe even when they appeared to be amiable and would crash later in a tizzy of confusion and anxiety. When I tried my experiment , to banish them from my life in ALL forms, my sleeping got better, my eating got better, my love for music and art reappeared, my garden flourished and I began to feel connected to Jah once again. Many black people think me mad when I tell them that white vibes are poisonous but Im glad that you provided us with that quote. Its true. All of it. I will never let them back in after experiencing how wonderful life is without them.
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