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MEETING BETWEEN MINISTER(DS) AND LORD HILL-NORTON
UFOs
a. I accept that there are strange phenomena to be seen in the
sky, however I believe there to be adequate explanations for them.
Experience has shown that most reported sightings can be attributed
to things such as aircraft, meteorological balloons or natural
phenomena like ball lightning. Of course there are many other
equally straightforward explanations. However, trrere are a small
number of cases where a simple explanation cannot be found
immediately and on these occasions we are careful to ensure so far as
possible that that they are of no Defence sign~ficance.
Having
satisfied ourselves of this, as you know, we do not attempt any
further
investigations. Clearly some
reports remain unexplained but
we have found no evidence that these phenomena represent a threat to
national security and therefore cannot
justify devoting Defence
resources to their investigation.
b. All reports received by the MOD are channelled through
Sec(AS) 2. They are passed to the Air Staff who examine them for Air
Def. nc. implications. In some cases, where (on the face of it) there
cQuld be a defence interest, enquiries are made of relevant radar
s etc in order to obtain more information. All reports
to the Defence Intelligence organisation who have a
sightings of unusual objects
or anywhere el
We have no
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UF. O sand
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The
Flying Complaints Flight at Rudloe Manor are
concerned
with receiving and
investigating
flying complaints. In the course of
their duties
they occasionally receive UFO reports (as do
m~ ny other
units) but
they have no specif~ c role wiih regard to this
subject.
Secretariat
(Air Staff) is the Division which
provides
secretariat
support to CAS and the Air Staff and in this
capacity is
responsible for
correspondence with members of the public and
answering
PQs etc on many subjects, including UFOs.
Sec(AS)2 is the
branch which
amongst other things handles UFOs, there is no such
branch as Air Staff Secretariat
8. You may be thinking of Defence
Secretariat
8 which no longer exists and from which Sec(AS) evolved
as a result of reorganisation of MOD last January.
c. Many of the UFO reports received in MOD come through Defence
establishments,
although most of these come originally from members
of the public. Very few reports are made
~ y military
pilots; for
instance, in the last 12 months Sec(AS) has received only two such
reports.
d.
No central record of radar recordings is kept. Major Air
Traffic Control units take recordings as a matte~ of course, however
these are
generally destroyed after
30 days. ADGE units do not
regula1" ly make reco1" dings although some are occasionally made for
specific operational
purposes. Relevant radar units are consulted
as t of the normal p1" oce. ss of handling UFO reports
there is
jay oerrel. tio a
radar traces.
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RAF WOODBRIDGE INCIDENT 27 Dec 80
Col Halts report of 13 Jan 81 concerns the sighting of
unusual lights outside the back gate at RAF Woodbridge by two
security patrolmen. Col Halt records what was subsequently reported
to him without comment. The
3 patrolmen who went into Rendlesham
Forest to investigate what they thought might be a crashed aircraft
say they saw a triangular object. It has been suggested that this
might have been a piloted vehicle, however in view of its reported
size (about 9 feet long and 6 feet high) this
was!
and still
is,
considered highly unlikely. Indeed enquiries made both at the time
and subsequently failed to reveal any radar trace of anything unusual
in the area at the time.
Col Halt also reports on his own investigations at the site of
the incident the following day. Once again he draws no conclusions
from his findings and, significantly, does not recommend further
investigation. Our own view also was that no additional action was
required. Later on the night of 29 Dec 80 Col Halt and a number of
o~ hers saw more unusual lights, but again we have no record of
anything untoward being picked up on radar.
I think you will agree that it is highly unlikely that any
violation of airspace would be heralded
by such a display of
1y 1 that any reconnaissance or
announced in this way.
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Overall, we believe that the fact that Col Halt did not report
these
occurrences to MOD for aLmost 2 weeks after the event,
together
with the
relatively low key manner in which he handled the matter
(given resources available to him) are
indicative of the degree of
importance in defence terms which should be attached to the
incident.
He himself took all investigative action which was required. If
members of the public feel that for scientific or other
reasons,
there should be an attempt to establish the cause of what
happened,
that is for them, but I am confident that it is not something in
which the MOD should or need become further involved.
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Assumi ng, as I
hope, that the Mi ni stry of Defence does noi
i gnore the reports reachi ng i t ( and we have b een told i n
reply to Parli amentary
questi ons that
they amount to some
hundreds a year from ci vi li an sources
alone), what steps
are taken
b y
the Department to i nvesti gate them? I n par-
ti cular: -
Are they dealt wi th
solely ad hoc, usi ng routi ne stafi
channels? or i s there some speci ali st
group, ei ther
wi thi n the Whi tehall
estab li shment or
elsewhere, whi cr
i s charged wi th
taki ng an expert vi ew? I f
so, to whon
do they report? And what i s thei r
composi ti on? Do
they i nclude ci vi li an advi sers from outsi de
your
Department?
What part i s
played, i f
any, b y
the
Flyi ng Complai nts
Fli ght at RAF
Rudloe Manor?
What
part, i f
any, i s
played b y
Ai r Staff
Secretari ats
2 I S. . 8?
How
many of the reports of unusual phenomena have b een re-
cei ved from Defence
estab li shments,
i ncludi ng
reports fro I T
the pi lots of mi li tary ai rcraft?
What materi al does
your Department have of traces left on
mi li tary radar or i n
photographi c form ei ther ~ om sorti es
b y mi li tary ai rcraft or from ground- b ased or shi p- b ased
faci li ti es?
Can
any such materi al b e released ei ther to me or to re-
sponsi b le persons outsi de
your Department for
purposes of
sci enti fi c study?
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troub li ng you wi th these questi ons I am well aware that
thei r sub ject matter has often b een thought easy to ri di cule,
especi ally when associ ated wi th some of the wi lder noti ons whi ch ar
current among the ci vi li an research
groups. I am not wedded to any
parti cular theory myself. I
do, on the other hand, b eli eve that
there i s overwhelmi ng evi dence for a
persi stent phenomenon of a
hi ghly unusual character. T hi s
i s, at the least, of consi derab le
sci enti fi c i nterest; and I have not
yet heard
anythi ng from your
Department whi ch convi nces me that i t i s wholly wi thout Defence
si gni fi cance. I would b e reassured to know ei ther that i t i s b ei ng
adequately
gri pped as a Defence matter ( and, i f
so, b y preci sely
what means) or that materi al held
b y your Department can b e release
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MEETING BETWEEN US of S(AF) AND LORD H ILL- NORTON
UFOs
a. I accept that there are strange phenomena to be seen in the
sky, however I believe there to be adequate explanations for them.
Experience has shown that most reported sightings can be attributed
to things such as aircraft, meteorological balloons or natural
phenomena like ball lightning. Of course there are many other
equally straightforward explanations. H owever, there are a small
number of cases where a simple explanation cannot
immediately and on these occasions we are careful
be found I
~
to ensur~ that they
are of no Defence significance. H aving satisfied ourselves of this,
as
you know, we do not attempt any further investigations. Clearly
some reports
remain unexplained but we have found no evidence that
these phenomena represent a threat to national security and therefore
cannot
justify devoting Defence resources to their investigation.
b. All reports received
by the MOD are channelled through
Sec(AS)2. They are passed to the Air Staff who examine them for Air
Defence implications. In some cases, where (on the face of it) there
could be a defence interest, enquiries are made of relevant radar
establishments etc in order to obtain more information. All reports
are also passed to the Defence Intelligence organisation who have a
keen interest in any sightings of unusual objects. We have no
specialist group in Wh tehall or anywhere else involved in UFO s and
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The Flying Complaints Flight at Rudloe Manor are concerned
with receiving and investigating flying complaints. In the course of
their duties they occasionally receive UFO reports (as do many other
units) but they have no specific role with regard to this subject.
Secretariat (Air Staff) is the Division which provides
secretariat support to CAS and the Air Staff and in this capacity is
responsible for correspondence with members of the public and
answering PQs etc on many subjects, including UFOs. Sec(AS)2 is the
branch which amongst other things handles UFOs, there is no such
branch as Air Staff Secretariat 8 . You may be thinking of Defence
Secretariat
8
which no longer exists and from which Sec(AS) evolved
as a result of reorganisation of MOD last January.
c. Many of the UFO reports received in MOD come through Defence
establishments, although most of these come originally from members
of the public. Very few reports are made by military pilots; for
instance, in the last 12 months Sec(AS) has received only one such
report.
d. [GE3 to provide advice please]
e. The ,Department is
happy
to release what information we have on
specific incidents. However we could not justify the effort involved
in seardhing for or collating information of a more general nature.
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REPORT OF AN UNEXPLAINED
AERIAL
SIGHTING
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Date, ti me &
durati on of
si ghti ng
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Descri pti on of object
(No of
objects, si ze,
shape,
colour,
bri ghtness,
noi se)
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3. Exact
posi ti on of observer
(Indoors/ outdoors,
stati onary/ movi ng)
4. How observed
(Naked
eye,
bi noculars,
other
opti cal
devi ce, camera or camcorder)
5.
Di recti on i n whi ch
object
fi rst seen
(A landmark
may be
more useful than a
roughly
esti mated
beari ng)
6.
Angle of
si ght (Esti mated
hei ghts are
unreli able)
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7. Di stance
(By reference to a
known
landmark)
8.
Movements
(Changes i n
5, 6 & 7
may be of more use than
esti mates
of course and
speed)
9. Met
condi ti ons
duri ng observati ons
(Movi ng clouds, haze, mi st
etc)
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Nearby
objects
(Telephone
li nes,
hi gh voltage li nes, reservoi r, lake
or
dam,
swamp or marsh, ri ver,
hi gh
bui ldi ngs, tall
chi mneys,
steeples,
spi res, TV or radi o masts,
ai rfi elds,
generati ng
plant,
factori es,
pi ts or other si tes wi th
floodli ghts or
ni ght
li ghti ng)
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Yo u ma y a l so w i sh t o k n o w t h a t t h e r e i s so me i n f o r ma t i o n a b o u t UF Os a v a i l a b l e f o r p u b l i c
v i e w i n g . M OD f i l e s w e r e r o u t i n e l y d e st r o y e d a f t e r 5 y e a r s u n t i l 1 9 6 7 w h e n t h e y w e r e g e n e r a l l y
p r e se r v e d f o r Th e N a t i o n a l A r c h i v e s. A f e w h a v e su r v i v e d b e f o r e 1 9 6 7 a n d t o g e t h e r w i t h r e c o r d s
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t o 1 9 7 7 a r e n o w a v a i l a b l e f o r p u b l i c v i e w i n g . Th e N a t i o n a l A r c h i v e s c a n b e c o n t a c t e d a t
R u sk i n A v e n u e , R i c h mo n d , Ke w , S u r r e y TW9 4 DU o r t e l e p h o n e , 0 2 0 8 8 7 6 3 4 4 4 . Th e N a t i o n a l
A r c h i v e s a l so h a v e a w e b si t e
g i v i n g
i n f o r ma t i o n a b o u t t h e r e c o r d s t h e y h o l d a n d h o w t o a c c e ss
t h e m. Th i s c a n b e f o u n d o n t h e i n t e r n e t a t :
h t t p : / / w w w . n a t i o n a l a r c h i v e s. g o v . u k . Th e M i n i st r y o f De f e n c e F r e e d o m o f I n f o r ma t i o n w e b si t e
a l so c o n t a i n s so me r e l e a se d i n f o r ma t i o n o n UF Os. Th i s c a n b e a c c e sse d v i a t h e i n t e r n e t a t :
h t t p : / / w w w . mo d . u k / De f e n c e I n t e r n e t / F r e e d o mOf l n f o r ma t i o n l P u b l i c a t i o n S c h e me .
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t h i s r e qu e st , t h e n y o u sh o u l d c o n t a c t me i n t h e f i r st i n st a n c e . I f i n f o r ma l r e so l u t i o n i s n o t p o ssi b l e
a n d y o u a r e st i l l d i ssa t i sf i e d t h e n y o u ma y a p p l y
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t h e Di r e c t o r o f I n f o r ma t i o n E x p l o i t a t i o n ,
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w i t h i n t w o c a l e n d a r mo n t h s o f t h e d a t e i n w h i c h t h e a t t e mp t t o r e a c h i n f o r ma l r e so l u t i o n h a s c o me
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t a k e y o u r c o m p l a i n t t o t h e
~ f o r m a t i o n C o m m i s s i o n e r u n d e r t h e p r o v i s i o n s o f S e c t i o n 50 o f t h e F r e e d o m o f I n f o r m a t i o n A c t .
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r e v i e w p r o c e s s h a s b e e n c o m p l e t e d . F u r t h e r d e t a i l s o f t h e r o l e a n d p o w e r s o f t h e I n f o r m a t i o n
C o m m i s s i o n e r c a n b e f o u n d o n t h e C o m m i s s i o n e r s w e b s i t e ,
h t t p : / / w w w
. i n t o n n a t i o n c o m m i s s i o n e r . g o v . u k .
Y o u r s s i n c e r e l y
P a g e 2 of2
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