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., 9:06:16 : [Sri Guru] LESSON 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish : message.html --====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----===-OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH JAYA JAGANNATHA Namaste Narasimha, I hope now I got it right. As per 10th Nov. 1963 progression chart, Sun progressed at 24 Li 03, close to the vivaha seham and moon is trine to Ketu. As per this Marriage could have been at the age of 27 years, 10 months and 21 days. That is on 28th June 1991. So, the Marriage date should have been around this date. Thanks Your sisya Solai Kannan =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= : pvr@mediaone.net <pvr@mediaone.net> : varahamihira@yahoogroups.com <varahamihira@yahoogroups.com> : 8 2001 ., 9:26:29 : [Sri Guru] Re: Query - LESSON 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish : message.html --====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----===-Dear Solai, I hope everyone had a happy and blessed Magha Pournima. Here are my answers to your questions. > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH > JAYA JAGANNATHA > > Namaste Narasimha, > > I applied this to my chart for the marriage. But, I am find any > relevance of the date of the marriage to the important favouring > points. > > I give below the chart for reference. > > My marriage was on 21st October 1991. > > Sun's Navamsa progression at this date is 89 degree 43 > > Calculation: > 26 years 11 months = 26.916667 > 26.916667 x 3.333333 = 89.72 = 89 degree 43 minutes. = > > Sun's position is 7s5.41

unable to marriage

minutes

2s29.43

> So, 2s29.43+7s5.41 = 10s5.24 = 5 Aq 24 > > 1.My Vivaha seham is 22 Sc 21, which is not in trines or opposite. > 2.UL lord (both in Rasi Navamsa) Jupiter is not in trine or in opposite. > 3.7th lord is Sun, it is also not in trine or opposite > 4.7th lord in Navamsa is Mars. Sun's progression is opposite to Mars, but > the longitude is not exact or nearer. > > Question 1. What is wrong with my working? Nothing is really wrong. Note that 5Aq24 is very close to lagna lord Saturn's natal position (5Aq19)! When no natal position particularly dominates, progression over lagna lord can bring auspicious happenings. In your natal chart, Saturn is lagna lord in lagna. He is very strong. He represents progress in all matters. He aspects 7th, 7th lord and upapada lord by graha drishti and his aspect on 7th lord is exact. In navamsa, he is yogakaraka and occupies 7th. In the absence of other interesting points coming at the right age, Sun's progression over lagna lord Saturn as per navamsa progression can bring marriage. So, it does make some sense. > Question 2. Regarding this progressions, how far we can use this in > predictive astrology? Anything can be used in predictive astrology, but understand it first. Work out as many examples as you can and then you will completely grasp the governing principles. > Question 3. I think we have to consider only the progression of sun on > particular point (or very nearer) and its trines or opposite. The > 'particular points' can be Natal positions, seham, special lagnas. Is my > understanding correct? What are the other 'important points' other than > these to be considered? Upagrahas too. You can use progressed Sun others. Moon. Sanjay said we don't really use

However, Sanjay once told me that important changes come in life when a planet becomes retrograde or direct in a progression chart. For example, take my chart (4th April 1970, 5:50 pm IST, 81e12, 16n15). Jupiter is retrograde in my chart. He becomes direct on June 23, 1970. When Jupiter became direct, Sun was at 8Ge03. Sun's progression since birth (20Pi53) was 9 deg 7 min + 60 deg (Ar Ta) + 8 deg 3 min = 77 deg 10 min = 77.17 deg. Using navamsa progression (3.3333 deg per year), this corresponds to an age of 77.17/3.3333=23.2 years. So some important positive change is possible in navamsa matters around this age. I got married soon

after this date. Using dasamsa progression (3 deg per year), this corresponds to an age of 77.17/3=25.7 years. So an important change is possible in dasamsa matters around this age. After working in 3 different jobs in 3 different countries in just 1.5 years, I found a job at the end of 1995 which brought stability. > Question 4. In Example 7. For eye sight problem Gurudeva has considered > dasamsa progression, in the sense that it is due to a karma or action which > lead to the poor eye sight. (a), how do we know that it is due to this > karma? firstly, there is no proven correlation in your case. secondly, how Though karma is normally used to mean the cumulative actions of past lives, it really means "action". Because Saturn indicates poor eyesight in my chart, Sun's dasamsa progression over him brought karma (actions) by me that activated Saturn's result, i.e. poor eyesight. > when some body come with an eye problem, we will decide it is due to a karma > or body composition? (b) this way we can correlate anything; the effect of > something will be the cause of some action or karma. So, is it advisable to > consider dasamsa progression for everything? Let me put it this way. Dasamsa progression is a very popular progression among some traditional pundits. > Question 5. In hora progression within 24 years, Sun's one cycle of > progression will be completed. So, the next progression will touch all the > points again in another 24 years. This identical happening is not practical. > So, the chart on the time of progression on certain point is important. But, > you didn't go into the details of analysing the progression chart. When you > have time please, elaborate on the interpretation of the progression chart. > I know it will be similar to any other chart analysis. But, if you can do it > with example it will help us. I haven't worked with hora progressions. > Question 6. Can this be extended to non Parasara vargas like, D-5, D-6, D-8? I request Gurudeva to answer this. Anyway, concentrate on D-9, D-10, D-12, D-20, D-24 and D-30. > Thanks

> > > > > > > >

Your sisya Solai Kannan Date of Birth: Time of Birth: Time Zone of Birth: Longitude of Birth: Latitude of Birth: November 21, 1964 1:35:35 pm 5:30 East of GMT 78 E 50 9 N 23

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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= : Solai Kannan <solai@theihb.com> : varahamihira@yahoogroups.com <varahamihira@yahoogroups.com> : 8 2001 ., 11:22:31 : [Sri Guru] Query - LESSON 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish : message.html --====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----===-OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH JAYA JAGANNATHA Namaste Narasimha, Thanks for your elaborate explanation on my questions. It has cleared my doubts. One more question on Seham. I do not have Dr.BV Raman's books. My understanding about seham is based on COVA. When I calculated Vivaha seham for me, I added 30 degrees as Lagna is not falling between Venus and Saturn. Calculation: Day time birth Vivaha seham = Venus (2 Li 04) - Saturn (5 Aq 19) + Lagna (25 Aq 36) = 22 Li 22 Adding 30 degrees, it will be 22 Sc 22. But as per JHL calculation it is 22 Li 22.

I think my understanding is wrong, please clarify. Thanks Your sisya Solai Kannan

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= : Karu <heen@techno.net.au> : varahamihira@yahoogroups.com <varahamihira@yahoogroups.com> : 8 2001 ., 13:21:12 : [Sri Guru] Re: LESSON 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish : message.html --====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----===-Jaya Jaya Jagannath, Namasthe Narasimha, I re worked on 2nd question to find the date of marry. Could you comment on it p lease. >NR: The native was enjoying power at that time. The native had many >enemies as you wrote and there was a major setback before the given >date. But do you expect the native to lose power with progressed Sun >so close to natal GL? Yes, It is important point. He cannot loose power. Thank you. >What exactly does kali mean? Kali means vice, strife, anger etc. Does >it show only strife faced by native or the strife caused by him too? >Can he cause strife by his actions and experience turbulence as a >result? kali Saham is in 4th house. So trouble comes through his mind. >NR: Why not Leo? Leo is a trine from exalted Ketu (9th lord) and it >contains 7th lord Mercury. If progressed Moon enters Libra while >progressed Sun is still close to vivaha saham, that should be fine >too. Le, Vi and Li are all interesting. From my last mail, I mentioned progressed Sun touch the sensitive point around J anuary 1992. Now again let me check the date, when marriage take the place. Sun actually transits over said point around 12th Nov. 1963. How ever, the mere conjunction of Sun would not give the rise to the event. Vivaha saham is in 25 L i 56 and I better see other planetary affects, specially Moon's affects while th e Sun's affects there. Again sensitive points to Moon are, Trines to UL/ Vivaha saham -rejected (Rahu in trine) Trines to Venus ( Lord of UL) Trines to 7th House. -rejected ( Saturn in trines)

Trines to Mercury- 7th Lord According Trines to Trines to si) Trines to to Navamsa, Venus & Ketu as Venus conjoined Ketu. Mercury. ( Mercury is Vargottama and in 10th od D9, and 7th lord of Ra Vivaha saham (afflicted by Rahu. Reject that too.)

These days Natural Karaka for UL is in retrograde motion in Lagna until 6th of D ecember 1963 & trine to lord of the UL.. Progressed Sun moved about 16 sec. per month and still touch the Vivaha saham. After rejected some combinations as explained, I select Moon's position, trine t o Mercury, Venus & Ketu. Ketu & Mercury trine to each other in Rasi chart while Ketu & Venus conjoined la gna in D9. For this work, we consider Rasi chart and if Moon transits over Leo o r trines Moon will be in trines to Ketu and Mercury same time. From this trines, Leo is much better and then Sagittarius, then Aries. Moon in Leo from 6th to 8th December 1963. This period Sun is in Trine to Jupite r, and all selected grahas ( Mercury, Venus & Ketu) in trine to Moon. Moon in Sagittarius from 16-18 Dec. 1963. In this period all above planets ( Inc luding Moon)conjoined in Sagittarius, in 3rd to Natal UL. This would not promote marriage. Moon is in Aries from 26th December 1963. But, this time Venus conjoined Saturn. I reject it too. Next- Leo 03 Jan 63- Mercury Retro.- Rejected Next-Sag 13 Jan 63- Mercury Retro- Rejected Next Aries 22 Jan 63- Sun conjoined Saturn- Rejected. Next Leo 30 Jan 63. Saturn in 7th from Leo for long time from this date and Leo must be rejected. With work I done so far, I select the 1st one. Now the original progression chart done for 12th Nov 1963 2.45 PM. (It was the s un transit ovet Vivaha Saham) The best combination around that period comes on 6 -8 Dec 1963, after about 25 days later. sun progress 3 deg 20 sec per year ( Naw amsa) and it will be 0.2777 sec per day. Above difference is @25 days and Sun progress additional 0.2777* 25= @ 7 Sec.. Sun's progression we needed additional Total Sun's progression / by 3.33 s 94.51 00.06 94.57 28.48 = 28 years 5 months 27 day

The marriage take a place when the native is in age of 28.5.27 on 04th of Feb 19 92.(+/_ few days.) Strange ! Where I done my mistake ? The last part is complicated to me too. Coul d you advice easy formula for this ? Thanks, Karu

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= : Sarajit Poddar <sarajit.01@astra.xlri.ac.in> : varahamihira@yahoogroups.com <varahamihira@yahoogroups.com> : 8 2001 ., 14:32:20 : [Sri Guru] progression : message.html --====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----===-AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAH Dear Narasimha! Thank you and gurudev a lot for enlightning up with a newer basis of prediction. I have gone through the article and before attempting the excercise, I would like to put forward my understanding of the concept. Please clarify, if you think anything went wrong. I think that you have come with two ways in which the progression can be applied. 1st way: Through the use of progresses horoscope The progressed horoscope at a particular time can be found out in the followinf way. The progressed horoscope is dependent upon the following things a. The Year under consideration. b. The month and time in that perticular year||(or)|| The progressed position of Sun in that year in a particular position. c. The divisional chart under consideration. d. The natal position of Sun "S" The points (a) and (b) are used for finding out the duration, the SUN will take to traverse from its natal position to the final position. Lets say this is "D" From (c) we can find out what is the degree of the divisional chart in the Rasi. Lets say it "d" We are interested in finding out the longitude of D*d+S and finding out when sun has moved into this longitude after birth. The planetary positions of this moment will be the progressed horoscope of the native for a particular moment as indicated in points (a) and (b) with respect to the divisional chart w.r.t. (c). But you have not indicated how to use this progressed horoscope.

2nd Way: Years taken to Progress Sun to some sensitive points w.r.t to a

particular divisional chart Here we find out the sensitive point w.r.t. to some event and progress SUN to that position w.r.t. a particular divisional chart. This is done in the following way. Step I: Find the difference in longitude from the SUN to the sensitive point. Lets call is "D" Step II: Find the time taken by SUN to traverse "D" w.r.t. the divisional chart in consideration. If "d" is the degree, the SUN progresses in 1 year in a particular divisional chart. Then d=30/divisional chart No. Years taken for the SUN to traverse "D" w.r.t the divisional chart will be D/d. You have given all the examples on this method of application of progression. Please comment if whether I am correct Regards Sarajit Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. OM TAT SAT Archive:http://www.egroups.com/group/varahamihira Info:http://www.egroups.com/group/varahamihira/info.html

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1st way: Through the use of progresses horoscope The progressed horoscope at a particular time can be found out in the followinf way. The progressed horoscope is dependent upon the following things a. The Year under consideration. b. The month and time in that perticular year||(or)|| The progressed position of Sun in that year in a particular position. c. The divisional chart under consideration. d. The natal position of Sun "S" The points (a) and (b) are used for finding out the duration, the SUN will take to traverse from its natal position to the final position. Lets say this is "D" From (c) we can find out what is the degree of the divisional chart in the Rasi. Lets say it "d" We are interested in finding out the longitude of D*d+S and finding out when sun has moved into this longitude after birth. The planetary positions of this moment will be the progressed horoscope of the native for a particular moment as indicated in points (a) and (b) with respect to the divisional chart w.r.t. (c). But you have not indicated how to use this progressed horoscope.

2nd Way: Years taken to Progress Sun to some sensitive points w.r.t to a particular divisional chart Here we find out the sensitive point w.r.t. to some event and progress SUN to that position w.r.t. a particular divisional chart. This is done in the following way. Step I: Find the difference in longitude from the SUN to the sensitive point. Lets call is "D" Step II: Find the time taken by SUN to traverse "D" w.r.t. the divisional chart in consideration. If "d" is the degree, the SUN progresses in 1 year in a particular divisional chart. Then d=30/divisional chart No. Years taken for the SUN to traverse "D" w.r.t the divisional chart will be D/d. You have given all the examples on this method of application of progression. Please comment if whether I am correct

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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= : pvr@mediaone.net <pvr@mediaone.net> : varahamihira@yahoogroups.com <varahamihira@yahoogroups.com> : 8 2001 ., 17:46:13 : [Sri Guru] Re: LESSON 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish : message.html --====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----===-Hare Rama Krishna Dear Solai, Your date is very close. This is as close as one can get it. It is tough to get it more precisely with just progressions. Good job and keep it up! The native got married in August 1991. For the benefit of others, I will give the solution in one single post later. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH > JAYA JAGANNATHA > > Namaste Narasimha, > > I hope now I got it right. > As per 10th Nov. 1963 progression chart, Sun progressed at 24 Li 03, close > to the vivaha seham and moon is trine to Ketu. As per this Marriage could > have been at the age of 27 years, 10 months and 21 days. That is on 28th > June 1991. So, the Marriage date should have been around this date. > > Thanks > Your sisya > Solai Kannan

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Do you know the name you want? Enter the domain name below and press GO!www. OM TAT SAT Archive:http://www.egroups.com/group/varahamihira Info:http://www.egroups.com/group/varahamihira/info.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= : pvr@mediaone.net <pvr@mediaone.net> : varahamihira@yahoogroups.com <varahamihira@yahoogroups.com> : 9 2001 ., 1:44:44 : [Sri Guru] Answer to Lesson 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish : message.html --====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----===-Namaste friends, Only a handful of you tried the exercises. Unless you are very busy, you should attempt all the exercises. Don't worry about going wrong. When learning things, trying and going wrong is much better than not trying at all. In future, I will expect more of you to try the exercises. Here are the final answers. > EXERCISE 1: Consider a native with the following birthdata. > > Date: November 19, 1917 > Time: 23:03:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Longitude: 81 E 52' 00" > Latitude: 25 N 28' 00" > > Find the progressed Sun on June 26, 1975 using dasamsa progression. > Find the natal planets/lagnas/sahams closely touched by him. What kind > of results are possible in career? On the given date, native's age was June 26, 1975 - Nov 19, 1917, i.e. about 57 years 7 months. This is about 57.6 years. At the rate of 3 deg per year, Sun is progressed by 172.8 deg, i.e. 5 rasis, 22 deg 48 min. Natal Sun is at 4 Sc 07. By adding 5 rasis, 22 deg, 48 min, we get 26 Ar 55. So progressed Sun is close to 27 deg in Ar on the given date. We see that Ghati Lagna (seat of power and authority) is at 24Ar10. Progressed Sun near natal GL gives power. So the native must be experiencing some power and authority. Kali saham is at 27Li01. Kali stands for strife, anger, vice etc. Progressed Sun's contact with natal kali saham shows some setbacks and strife in one's activities in society. The native engages in activities that bring strife to oneself and others.

This chart belongs to Indira Gandhi, former PM of India. Those of you who know modern Indian history well will realize that I gave the date on which emergency was imposed in India. She became India's PM around the time progressed Sun entered Ar (10th house with GL!). When the progressed Sun came close to natal GL, she triumphed over dissidents in her party and her party had a huge electoral victory. During the time of Sun's exact progression near GL, she started to feel very powerful and took up some unpopular policy decisions. Just before progressed Sun's contact with natal kali saham became exact, a court gave an unfavorable judgment in a case involving her and she declared emergency. All the democratic institutions were suspended, political opponents lodged in jails, press shutdown and she and her son did whatever they thought was right. Progressed Sun close to natal GL and kali saham made her exert power to reduce the world's largest democracy to a tyranny. She paid for it after Sun left Aries. > > > > > > > > > EXERCISE 2: Consider a native with the following birthdata. Date: Time: Time Zone: Longitude: Latitude: August 7, 1963 21:14:50 5:30:00 (East of GMT) 83 E 58' 00" 21 N 27' 00"

Guess approximately when he got married.

Out of all the points, vivaha saham at 26+ deg in Li is the most interesting, because upapada is also in Li (with Rahu taken as the lord of 12th). Rahu is DK and he is at 25+ deg in Ge. Let us see when progressed Sun (as per navamsa progression) touches 26 deg in Li. Nata Sun is at 21 deg in Cn. So the progression is 9 (in Cn) + 60 (Le Vi) + 26 = 95 deg. At the rate of 3.3333 deg per year, this gives an age of 95x3/10=28.5. Around that time, Moon will be in Le Vi. One of the interesting points is 26 deg in Leo. This is an exact trine from exalted Ketu. Ketu is the 9th lord and he is a giver of marraige. Mercury is also in Le and he the 7th lord. Progressed Moon is at 26 deg in Le and progressed Sun at 24.5 deg in Li in July 1991. The native got married in August 1991, in his 29th year. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha

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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= : Sarajit Poddar <sarajit.01@astra.xlri.ac.in> : varahamihira@yahoogroups.com <varahamihira@yahoogroups.com> : 9 2001 ., 5:52:16 : [Sri Guru] Progression excercise : message.html --====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----===-AUM SRI GURUVE NAMAH Dear Narasimha! Here is my answers to the excercises Exercise1. Sun's Natal Position: 4 Sc 06 Year Difference between June26,1975 and November19,1917 is 57.59 years Using Dasamsa progression of Sun, Progression amount= 57.59*3=172.77 deg=5s 22deg 46min Adding this to natal position of Sun we get= 7s 4deg 06min + 5s 22deg 46min=12s 26deg 52min= 26 Ar 52 I have scanned the 7th and the trines from 26Ar52 to find any sensitive points that can affect career. I got the following points. 1. GL: 24Ar09 2. Bandhana Saham: 23Li12 3. Vidya Saham: 27Li04 4. Kali Saham: 27Li00 This shows that the native got some power when the sun is at the dasamsa progression of 24Ar09. Before that the bandhana saham shows that the native might be confined to some place or in some work. Kali saham show that the native going through some kind of stife. But Vidya saham shows some kind of learning activity after the strife.

Excercise 2: The Sensitive points related to marriage are 1. Upapada: Sg 2. Upapada Lord: 26 Pi 08 3. 7th: Vi 4. 7th Lord: 13 Le 22 5. Venus: 14 Cn 55 6. Ketu: 25 Sg 45 7. Vivaha Saham: 25 Li 56 Between 20 and 30 years of age the sun would progress between 28Vi04 and 1Sc04. The trines of the following points fall between the aforementioned points and their corresponding ages are as follows:

1. Upapada Lord: (8/56+30+30+30+26/08)/3.3333=37.5 yrs (less probable) 2. Venus:(8/56+30+30+30+14Cn55)/3.33333=34.15 (34 yrs 1 month 24 days) (less probable) 3. 7th House:? How to find the house longitude (Which house division shall I consider) 4. Vivaha Saham:(8/56+30+30+25/56)=28.46 (most probable)=28 yrs 5 months 16 days Year of marriage= 23/1/1992 Regards Sarajit

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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= : Karu <heen@techno.net.au> : Varahamihira <varahamihira@yahoogroups.com> : 9 2001 ., 13:15:23 : [Sri Guru] Progression- example 2 : message.html --====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----===-Jaya Jaya Jagannath, Namasthe Narasimha, ( I found my very big mistake later about the date of marriage) I tried to workout the event on 7th October 2000, to the example 2 given by you. Would you able to give some hint if you would not mind. My findings so far, Progressed Sun is exact trine to Bandana saham and lord of the A10 ( Rahu) and (A2). In progressed chart too Jupiter and Rahu trined to Sun and Sun conjoined with Mercury (Lord of the 10th and A6) Saturn & Ketu ( I think Ketu could be a malefic for this matter) is trine to Moo n. Saturn is the co-lord of A10 in natal chart and lord of A10 in progressed cha rt. Was this a opportunity for hard work ? Or did you had bondage with work related or career matter ? In other owrds it is like a promotion to me. ( Sun is Mahayogada if we consider 7th from lagna as well. So it could be said results to your wife as wel

l. Then how Bandana Saham work here ?) Thanks, Hare Krshna, Karu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= : Gauranga Das <gauranga@brihaspati.net> : varahamihira@yahoogroups.com <varahamihira@yahoogroups.com> : 9 2001 ., 21:58:30 : [Sri Guru] LESSON 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish : message.html --====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----===-JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Narasimha, Pranaams. Here's my shot: Attempt these exercises using only progressions and no other techniques. EXERCISE 1: Consider a native with the following birthdata. Date: Time: Time Zone: Longitude: Latitude: November 19, 1917 23:03:00 5:30:00 (East of GMT) 81 E 52' 00" 25 N 28' 00"

Find the progressed Sun on June 26, 1975 using dasamsa progression. Find the n atal planets/lagnas/sahams closely touched by him. What kind of results are poss ible in career? Sun in the progressed chart was at 26 deg 55 in Aries, and Moon was at 5 deg 2 2 Taurus. Sun closely conjuncted the natal house cusp of 10th house, the Arudha Lagna, Ghati lagna and Upapada as well. This would usually give gain in position and reputation, and financial gains as well, as 10th lord Mars is in the 2nd ho use, although not in exact trine to progressed Sun. Venus is also quite close to trines. She is in A10 and is lord of 11th house. May indicate gain in career re lated to foreign affairs (Rahu conjuncts Venus) The native may have gained power by fighting some enemies (6th house involved). Asha Saham (hopes) and Vyapara S aham (business) are at 20 deg Leo, not exact trine. Progressed Moon was at appr. 10 degrees from natal Jupiter which was retrograd e. Enjoying gains gained fater some hardships is indicated by retro Jupiter. But it was a due and righteous gain. Moon is also in almost exact trines from natal Moon in 7th house. This would indicate some involvement of the wife or business partners, but the role of wife cannot be ruled out, as the Sun was conjoining U papada. Roga Saham is also there conjunct the natal Moon. So the native may have been sick at that time which created some disturbance in his career. Yasha Saha m (fame) is there at 4 deg in Virgo. he may have gained fame and reputation and enjoyed it at that time. Jalapatana Saham is at 2 deg Virgo.Although it's not ex act trines, he may have had some oversease journey also connected to his job pro motion.

EXERCISE 2: Consider a native with the following birthdata. Date: Time: Time Zone: Longitude: Latitude: August 7, 1963 21:14:50 5:30:00 (East of GMT) 83 E 58' 00" 21 N 27' 00"

Guess approximately when he got married. The 1st possibility is in 1979 when the Sun's progression reached the 7th hous e cusp. Before that trine from Upapada was at a too young age. The 2nd possibili ty is in 1991 when the Sun conjoined Vivaha Saham.Maybe the 2nd is more possible because of the more mature age. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer <gauranga@brihaspati.net> Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= : Arno Holzmann <arno.holzmann@utanet.at> : varahamihira@yahoogroups.com <varahamihira@yahoogroups.com> : 10 2001 ., 0:05:14 : [Sri Guru] Answer to Lesson 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish : message.html --====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----===-Dear Narasimha ji, pranaam and Hare Krishna, Many thanks to you and gurudeva Sanjaya for the progressions lesson. It is quite amazing and exciting to see how many predictive techniques the two of you have up in your sleeves. While reading your solution to the Progression puzzle two questions popped up in my mind: 1) Are the saham points something which is specifically used in Tajika charts and progressed charts or are the sahams to be used in natal astrology as well. 2) In the Gandhi example you took the graha drishti of progressed Sun to Kali saham, not Rashi drishti. It has been taught here that Graha drishti indicates a desire while Rashi drishti indicates something which will definitely manifest. More often than not, it seems that Graha drishti can be completely ignored and then again, every now and then we do consider it. I am unable to fully understand how we decide when to consider Graha drishti

and when not? By intuition? By experience? Did Indira Gandhi desire to suffer setbacks (prog. Sun aspects Kali saham by graha drishti)? It is easy to understand that Graha drishti by Jupiter or another benefic indicates a desire for a certain favourable result but how does, say, Saturns aspect by graha drishti indicate a desire for something. Nobody desires misery. I am confused about this. Please enlighten. Regards, Anantarupa

pvr@mediaone.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We see that Ghati Lagna (seat of power and authority) is at 24Ar10. Progressed Sun near natal GL gives power. So the native must be experiencing some power and authority. Kali saham is at 27Li01. Kali stands for strife, anger, vice etc. Progressed Sun's contact with natal kali saham shows some setbacks and strife in one's activities in society. The native engages in activities that bring strife to oneself and others. This chart belongs to Indira Gandhi, former PM of India. Those of you who know modern Indian history well will realize that I gave the date on which emergency was imposed in India. She became India's PM around the time progressed Sun entered Ar (10th house with GL!). When the progressed Sun came close to natal GL, she triumphed over dissidents in her party and her party had a huge electoral victory. During the time of Sun's exact progression near GL, she started to feel very powerful and took up some unpopular policy decisions. Just before progressed Sun's contact with natal kali saham became exact, a court gave an unfavorable judgment in a case involving her and she declared emergency. All the democratic institutions were suspended, political opponents lodged in jails, press shutdown and she and her son did whatever they thought was right. Progressed Sun close to natal GL and kali saham made her exert power to reduce the world's largest democracy to a tyranny. She paid for it after Sun left Aries.

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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= : Sanjay Rath <srath@vsnl.com> : varahamihira@yahoogroups.com <varahamihira@yahoogroups.com> : 10 2001 ., 6:27:24 : [Sri Guru] Query - LESSON 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish : message.html --====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----===-Dear Solai, What about Venus the Karaka? Please check the transit/progressed Sun to this. Secondly, in progression, the actual accurate method is to check the exact psition of the transit Sun on a particular date and time. The calculations are an approximation. Take your birth date and time and add the progressed days to it. In this case it is 26.91667 or 26 days, 22 hours. Then check the exact degree of the Sun on the date arrived at. Please report back. With Best Wishes Sanjay Rath ----- Original Message ----From: "Solai Kannan" <solai@theihb.com> To: <varahamihira@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: [Sri Guru] Query - LESSON 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH JAYA JAGANNATHA Namaste Narasimha, I applied this to my chart for the marriage. But, I am unable to find any relevance of the date of the marriage to the important marriage favouring points. I give below the chart for reference. My marriage was on 21st October 1991. Sun's Navamsa progression at this date is 89 degree 43 minutes Calculation: 26 years 11 months = 26.916667 26.916667 x 3.333333 = 89.72 = 89 degree 43 minutes. = 2s29.43 Sun's position is 7s5.41 So, 2s29.43+7s5.41 = 10s5.24 = 5 Aq 24 1.My Vivaha seham is 22 Sc 21, which is not in trines or opposite. 2.UL lord (both in Rasi Navamsa) Jupiter is not in trine or in opposite. 3.7th lord is Sun, it is also not in trine or opposite 4.7th lord in Navamsa is Mars. Sun's progression is opposite to Mars, but the longitude is not exact or nearer. Question 1. What is wrong with my working? Question 2. Regarding this progressions, how far we can use this in predictive astrology?

> > Question 3. I think we have to consider only the progression of sun on > particular point (or very nearer) and its trines or opposite. The > 'particular points' can be Natal positions, seham, special lagnas. Is my > understanding correct? What are the other 'important points' other than > these to be considered? > > Question 4. In Example 7. For eye sight problem Gurudeva has considered > dasamsa progression, in the sense that it is due to a karma or action which > lead to the poor eye sight. (a), how do we know that it is due to this > karma? firstly, there is no proven correlation in your case. secondly, how > when some body come with an eye problem, we will decide it is due to a karma > or body composition? (b) this way we can correlate anything; the effect of > something will be the cause of some action or karma. So, is it advisable to > consider dasamsa progression for everything? > > Question 5. In hora progression within 24 years, Sun's one cycle of > progression will be completed. So, the next progression will touch all the > points again in another 24 years. This identical happening is not practical. > So, the chart on the time of progression on certain point is important. But, > you didn't go into the details of analysing the progression chart. When you > have time please, elaborate on the interpretation of the progression chart. > I know it will be similar to any other chart analysis. But, if you can do it > with example it will help us. > > Question 6. Can this be extended to non Parasara vargas like, D-5, D-6, D-8? > > Thanks > Your sisya > Solai Kannan > > > > Date of Birth: November 21, 1964 > Time of Birth: 1:35:35 pm > Time Zone of Birth: 5:30 East of GMT > Longitude of Birth: 78 E 50 > Latitude of Birth: 9 N 23 > > Planet Position Pada CharaK > > Ascdt 25 Aq 36 Poo.Bhaa. 2 > Sun 5 Sc 41 Anuradha 1 PK > Moon 29 Ta 07 Mrigasira 2 AmK > Mars 14 Le 20 Poo.Pha. 1 PiK > Mercury 25 Sc 09 Jyeshtha 3 MK > Jupiter (R) 26 Ar 37 Bharani 4 BK > Venus 2 Li 04 Chitra 3 DK > Saturn 5 Aq 19 Dhanishtha 4 GK > Rahu 0 Ge 46 Mrigasira 3 AK > Ketu 0 Sg 46 Moola 1 -

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BhavaLg 26 Aq 36 Poo.Bhaa. 2 HoraLg 17 Ge 51 Aardra 4 GhatiLg 21 Ta 33 Rohini 4 +-------------------------------------------------------+ | | | | | | | | GL | Rah | | | JupR | | | | | | Moo | HL | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | Sat | | | | | | | | Asc | | | | | | | | BL | | | |-------------| R A S I |-------------| | | | | | Glk | | | | | | Mar | | Mnd | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | Sun | | | | Ket | | Ven | | | | Mer | | | | | | | | +-------------------------------------------------------+ +-------------------------------------------------------+ | | | | | | | | Asc | | | HL | Ket | | Mnd | | | | BL | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | Mer | | | | | | GL | | Glk | | | | | | | |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------| | | | | | | | Mar | | | | | | | | Sun | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | JupR | Rah | | | | | | Moo | | | Sat | Ven | | | | | | | +-------------------------------------------------------+

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What about Venus the Karaka? Please check the transit/progressed Sun to this. Secondly, in progression, the actual accurate method is to check the exact psition of the transit Sun on a particular date and time. The calculations are an approximation. Take your birth date and time and add the progressed days to it. In this case it is 26.91667 or 26 days, 22 hours. Then check the exact degree of the Sun on the date arrived at. Please report back. With Best Wishes Sanjay Rath ----- Original Message ----From: "Solai Kannan" <solai@theihb.com> To: <varahamihira@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: [Sri Guru] Query - LESSON 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH > JAYA JAGANNATHA > > Namaste Narasimha, > > I applied this to my chart for the marriage. But, I am unable to find any > relevance of the date of the marriage to the important marriage favouring > points. > > I give below the chart for reference. > > My marriage was on 21st October 1991. > > Sun's Navamsa progression at this date is 89 degree 43 minutes > > Calculation: > 26 years 11 months = 26.916667 > 26.916667 x 3.333333 = 89.72 = 89 degree 43 minutes. = 2s29.43 > > Sun's position is 7s5.41 > So, 2s29.43+7s5.41 = 10s5.24 = 5 Aq 24 > > 1.My Vivaha seham is 22 Sc 21, which is not in trines or opposite. > 2.UL lord (both in Rasi & Navamsa) Jupiter is not in trine or in opposite. > 3.7th lord is Sun, it is also not in trine or opposite > 4.7th lord in Navamsa is Mars. Sun's progression is opposite to Mars, but > the longitude is not exact or nearer. > > Question 1. What is wrong with my working? > > Question 2. Regarding this progressions, how far we can use this in > predictive astrology? > > Question 3. I think we have to consider only the progression of sun on > particular point (or very nearer) and its trines or opposite. The > 'particular points' can be Natal positions, seham, special lagnas. Is my > understanding correct? What are the other 'important points' other than

> these to be considered? > > Question 4. In Example 7. For eye sight problem Gurudeva has considered > dasamsa progression, in the sense that it is due to a karma or action which > lead to the poor eye sight. (a), how do we know that it is due to this > karma? firstly, there is no proven correlation in your case. secondly, how > when some body come with an eye problem, we will decide it is due to a karma > or body composition? (b) this way we can correlate anything; the effect of > something will be the cause of some action or karma. So, is it advisable to > consider dasamsa progression for everything? > > Question 5. In hora progression within 24 years, Sun's one cycle of > progression will be completed. So, the next progression will touch all the > points again in another 24 years. This identical happening is not practical. > So, the chart on the time of progression on certain point is important. But, > you didn't go into the details of analysing the progression chart. When you > have time please, elaborate on the interpretation of the progression chart. > I know it will be similar to any other chart analysis. But, if you can do it > with example it will help us. > > Question 6. Can this be extended to non Parasara vargas like, D-5, D-6, D-8? > > Thanks > Your sisya > Solai Kannan > > > > Date of Birth: November 21, 1964 > Time of Birth: 1:35:35 pm > Time Zone of Birth: 5:30 East of GMT > Longitude of Birth: 78 E 50 > Latitude of Birth: 9 N 23 > > Planet Position Pada CharaK > > Ascdt 25 Aq 36 Poo.Bhaa. 2 > Sun 5 Sc 41 Anuradha 1 PK > Moon 29 Ta 07 Mrigasira 2 AmK > Mars 14 Le 20 Poo.Pha. 1 PiK > Mercury 25 Sc 09 Jyeshtha 3 MK > Jupiter (R) 26 Ar 37 Bharani 4 BK > Venus 2 Li 04 Chitra 3 DK > Saturn 5 Aq 19 Dhanishtha 4 GK > Rahu 0 Ge 46 Mrigasira 3 AK > Ketu 0 Sg 46 Moola 1 > BhavaLg 26 Aq 36 Poo.Bhaa. 2 -

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+-------------------------------------------------------+ | | | | | | | | GL | Rah | | | JupR | | | | | | Moo | HL | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | Sat | | | | | | | | Asc | | | | | | | | BL | | | |-------------| R A S I |-------------| | | | | | Glk | | | | | | Mar | | Mnd | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | Sun | | | | Ket | | Ven | | | | Mer | | | | | | | | +-------------------------------------------------------+ +-------------------------------------------------------+ | | | | | | | | Asc | | | HL | Ket | | Mnd | | | | BL | | | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | Mer | | | | | | GL | | Glk | | | | | | | |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------| | | | | | | | Mar | | | | | | | | Sun | | | | | |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| | | | | | | | JupR | Rah | | | | | | Moo | | | Sat | Ven | | | | | | | +-------------------------------------------------------+

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