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Mitsubishi Zero A6M2a Type 11 IJN Fuselage "Grey" Color...

David_Aiken
Posted 22 September 2012 - 12:37 AM

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dancho, on 14 September 2012 - 02:12 AM, said: But I SAW IT. For a moment. For one brief shining moment...

Send me an e-mail and I can send you the THREE versions of the same color as applied to a Zero... flash...gray tungsten light: brown daylight: gray-GREEN Metamerism ... Cheers, David Aiken PearlHarborHistory AT Hotmail DOT com

ReccePhreak
Posted 29 October 2012 - 02:47 PM

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Nick Millman, on 17 December 2011 - 12:08 PM, said: Life Member (Mon-Key Handler)
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My 24 page e-guide to painting the early Zero has been available since 26 October:http://www.straggler...df-e-guide.html This is based on a long term examination and analysis of several extant paint samples from early A6M2 aircraft, (e.g. B11-124 s/n 5349) including the identification of original constituent materials and pigments - the predictable building blocks of colour from a scientific perspective - together with an objective, quantified comparison to some well known hobby paints. The findings are consistent with those of at least five well-respected, international researchers who have also examined actual examples of paint. Refusing to believe these findings or to continue to believe in colours based on descriptions, individual perceptions or scanned images of paint does not invalidate them. There are only two known officially documented references to the paint colour and neither of them uses the term "Hairyokushoku" (ash or grey green colour) but the paint colour could be described as "grey green" and often is. The paint applied was a neutral grey with yellow-pigmented anti-corrosive additives similar to the Luftwaffe RLM 02. The "greenish" appearance arises from the interaction of the basic black and yellow pigments and is highly metamerismic. The limitations of localised paint chemistry and industry in Japan at the time resulted in variance around the degree of yellow - or amber - hue in the applied paint. The original appearance of the paint (replicated in our analysis) is exactly consistent with the description "J3 (Haiiro ash or gray colour) leaning slightly toward amber colour (Ameiro - caramel or candy colour)" contained within the Yokosuka Kaigun Kokutai (KuGiSho) Report No.0266 of March 1942. I will be publishing the trace shift of the original paint through oxidisation and chalking, together with the trace shift of preserved paint through thermal ageing in due course. And I will also be making available in the new year decent sized paint swatch samples of the replicated original paint to all those who have copies of the e-guide (at no additional cost).

Your link is dead. Do you have another link to it? Larry

sakai
Posted 30 October 2012 - 04:42 AM

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Step away from the computer!

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ReccePhreak, on 29 October 2012 - 02:47 PM, said: Your link is dead. Do you have another link to it? Larry

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He changed domain quite some time ago, go here click Cheers, Mario in NYC

ebergerud
Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:04 AM

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Having Nick Millman and David Aiken weigh in on this subject is a rare opportunity. I've spent my life writing history and it surprises me not at all that people can burn the candle for years and still not agree on something that people from the outside would think to be an easily answered question. David Aiken has sent me a lot of material concerning both the Zero and Pearl Harbor - tremendous knowledge. I also have to plug the very classy booklet that Nick Millman wrote and can be bought on his site http://www.aviationofjapan.com/ title "Painting the Early Zero Sen." It was well worth the $12 and I was impressed enough that I bought Nick's very good book about the Tojo. Might point out that some folk in North Dakota spent big bucks producing a (I believe) replica of the Zero. Check the paint job they thought was accurate:

Let's also not forget that whatever shade of paint we're dealing with it's a gray and grays will drive you nuts. I tried to my own version of the early war Val color which as noted earlier was not the same as the Zero's but a kind of cousin. I won't bore you with the details, but there is no green in the mix I used. However, if you start mixing ocher and black (really a kind of green gray) you got odd things happening to the eyeball. Most of the photos I took appear distinctly greenish on film as you can see from the first photo below. The detail has the amber color that you'd see if you came to my house to look at it. The last one kind of splits the difference. Same model, same place, same time, same camera - different results. Keeps us on our toes.

Resized to 80% (was 1000 x 704) - Click image to enlarge

Resized to 80% (was 1000 x 704) - Click image to enlarge

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Resized to 80% (was 1000 x 641) - Click image to enlarge

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dixieflyer
Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:56 PM

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Nick's e-book is more than worth the pittance you pay for it. Best hobby research money I've spent in years. Warren

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