DIONYSUS I AM THE TRUE VINE

Including other Bible and early Christian quotes:

Brief prerequisite:

http://www.eternalwheel.com/nogoodwine/glossary.html, Wine Glossary:
Bacchus (c.f. Dionysus)
The Roman god of wine.

Dionysus (c.f. Bacchus)
Greek god of wine.

The New Century Dictionary of the English Language, Emery / Brewster, 1952, vol. 1,
p. 423, Dionysus:


Greek-English Lexicon: Abridged Edition, Liddell & Scott, Oxford, 1871, impression of 1994, p.
125, :


http://firstnewtestament.netfirms.com/earliest_christains_who_were_they_2.htm, The Earliest
Christians Who Were They #2, The Hellenization of Judaism:
V.D. Macchioro, in his From Orpheus to Paul, 1930, on pages 188 and following
informs us that Judea was surrounded by Dionysiac religion.

John 15:1 (the Last Supper):
I am the true vine. Meaning I am the true Dionysus / Bacchus. At least thats
how it would be interpreted in Jesus era. Hence, how it should be interpreted in this
era as well.

http://www.biblelight.org/sayings5.htm, Bible Topics: Sayings of Jesus: I am the true vine:
So Jesus portrayed himself as a vine.

Since Jesus is the Son of God, then Jesus knew about Dionysus and his vine / wine /
grape characteristics, including being most renowned for sex orgies. Thats like
someone saying today, e.g.: I am the true Playboy Bunny, which
people today would interpret as support for pornography. But, two thousand
years from now, well it would be interpreted exactly as the then religious leaders
would want it interpreted.

Anyone in those days who related Themselves to the vine made a big mistake if
They supported only sex in marriage, because of the vines then affirmative
connection to Dionysus and the popularity of his sex orgies which is about
the most opposite statement One can make against the marriage standard.

John 15:5:
I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much
fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
Meaning, without open/free sex, the world is constrained.

They all drank wine at the Last Supper symbolically, with no current intelligent
reasoning why, until now. http://biblicalholidays.com/Sabbath/messiah_in_sabbath.htm, Messianic
Significance of Sabbath, The Wine:
When the family is seated around the table, a declaration of the holiness of the
Sabbath and the blessing of the wine is recited (Kiddush). The father lifts a cup of
wine and says Blessed are you, Lord our God, King of the Universe, who brings
forth fruit from the vine. Jesus says in John 15:5, I am the vine, ye are the branches,
and in Mark 14:24, Jesus said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament,
which is shed for many.
Meaning, God (the Universe) knows that open/free sex is best for mankind.

http://www.battleinchrist.com/what_did_jesus_mean_by_the_words.htm, What Did J esus Mean by the
Words "I Am the True Vine"?:
Jesus Christ portrays Himself as the true vine of God to His disciples for a two-fold purpose: First,
to let His disciples know that even though He would not be physically present with them always,
He would send the Holy Spirit to be with and in them (Joh.14:17 ASV). Second, He uses this
opportunity to instruct them to remain in close fellowship with Him through the Holy Spirit, that
they may bear spiritual fruit, receive answers to prayer, and have fullness of joy.
You see, other than cop-outs, there are no other appropriate reasons except for mine.

Random House Word Menu, 1992, p. 612, Celebrations, Observances, Rites, and Gatherings:

Symbolic.

An Illustrated Encyclopedia of Mysticism and the Mystery Religions, Ferguson, 1977, p.
49, Dionysus:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Eucharist, History of the Eucharist | Dionysus cult:
Early Christianity spread through a Hellenized populace. Jewish feast practices had taken on Hellenic
forms. Hellenic culture recognized several gods of death and rebirth, such as Osiris. The deity most
similar to the Christ of the Eucharist is Dionysus. Dionysus was the god of the vine, and his feasts
included wine that was the god himself, sacrificed for those at the feast.

Mark 14:25:
Assuredly, I say to you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day
when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
Meaning, the Kingdom of God will include open/free sex.

Now, wine was likely a popular drink in the days of Christ; so, if It said like Jesus had
two glasses of wine before He went to bed, then it wouldnt have a Dionysus support
connection; but, when you make your religious ritual as your blood being wine, or
stating that I am the true vine, then it is said in religious support of
the popular religious deity of wine. Otherwise, youd have your glass of wine before
bedtime, then say something like, Im just having a glass of wine to help Me sleep:
Im not supporting, nor would ever support, the popular god of wine, especially his
well known sex orgy characteristics.

Luke 22:14-16:
14
And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
15
And
he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I
suffer:
16
For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in
the kingdom of God.
Meaning, the Kingdom of God will not be fulfilled until we have open/free sex.

Amos 9:13:
Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when the plowman shall overtake
the reaper, and the treader of grapes him who sows seed; the mountains shall drip with
sweet wine, and all the hills shall flow with it.

Grape:

http://www.answers.com/vine, vine:
The term vine was originally a term for the plant on which grapes grew, from the word for wine (Greek
oinos), for which grapes were grown. In American usage "vine" is now a generic term for all climbing
plants. In British English "vine" is still specifically the Grape vine; other climbing plants are termed
"climbers".

Websters Third New International Dictionary of the English Language (Unabridged), 1986, p. 157:


http://www.goldclipart.com/members/crestsymbols.htm, Christian Symbols: Origins and Meanings:


Pope Eutychian:
http://www.cwo.com/~pentrack/catholic/chron.html, Chronology of Christianity (1AD-Present):
275-283 Pope Eutychian, 27th Pope, decreed that only beans and grapes be blessed at
Mass

Isaiah 65:8:
Thus says the LORD:
As the new wine (Bacchus) is found in the cluster,
And one says, Do not destroy it,
For a blessing is in it,
So will I do for My servants sake,
That I may not destroy them all.
This refers to the ones who God will save for a new heaven and a new earth.

Nehemiah 13:30-31:
A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint, Lust / Eynikel / Hauspie, 1992, part one, p.
76, (Bacch):

Nehemiah 13:30-31 (NKJV):
30
Thus I cleansed them of everything pagan. I also assigned duties to the priests and
the Levites, each to his service,
31
and to bringing the wood offering and
the firstfruits at appointed times. Remember me, O my God, for good!

Divine Mirrors: The Virgin Mary in the Visual Arts, Katz, Oxford, 2001, acknowledgement
page, Medieval Hymn:


Judges 9:27:
So they went out into the fields, and gathered grapes from their vineyards and trod
them, and made merry.
The HarperCollins Bible Dictionary, Achtemeier, 1996, p. 1193, vine | Production and Use of
Wine:


Matthew 9:16-17:
16
No one puts a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; for the patch pulls away
from the garment, and the tear is made worse.
17
Nor do they put new wine into old
wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are
ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.
This sounds like Jesus saying that Dionysus / Bacchus is old wine, therefore Jesus is
new wine overruling the violent characteristics of the Bacchanalia orgy. The
matter would be in need of divine comment. The ways of the old Dionysian orgies
need to be put into new wineskins; indicating that trying to mimic the wild ways of
Dionysian orgies is not the way for our future open-sex: that a better more lovable,
less wild way should be found. God cannot say like new sex orgies because the
New Testament would not have made it through Middle Age corruptions. Then all of
It would be gone. Conversely, many will now say that God was saying to remove
the sexual part of the Bacchanalia thereby upholding the violence, etc.; but, if that was
the case, He would have just said that, because Middle Age corruption would have
had no problem with Jesus supporting violence. Parables had hidden messages so
to bypass corruption; that later logic can reveal.
http://www.booze-bibbing-order-of-bacchus.com/pages/bacchus.htm, Bcchus or Dionysus:
It was a secret cult and it's rites, the Bacchanalia, were mared not only be
sexual excesses but by crimes of every description,

Justin Martyr (early Christian writer, c. 150 AD):

http://www.geocities.com/atheistdivine/dionysus.html, Dionysus/Bacchus, Texts Relating To
Dionysus:
Justin Martyr, First Apology, 54. He said
that Dionysus/Bacchus was sent as an imitation Christ before
Christ's birth. Thus acknowledging the similarities between Jesus
and Dionysus.

http://www.wargoddess.net/essay/ivycross/info.php, Enyos Workshop, The Ivy-Covered Cross, by
Sannion:
Justin Martyr wrote: "The devils, accordingly, when they heard these prophetic words (about Christ),
said that Bacchus was the son of Jupiter, and having been torn in pieces, he ascended into heaven."
(First Apology, 54)

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/justinmartyr-
firstapology.html (Early Christian Writings), J USTIN MARTYR -- THE FIRST APOLOGY OF J USTIN (c.
150 AD), CHAPTER XXXII -- CHRIST PREDICTED BY MOSES:
Moses then, who was the first of the prophets, spoke in these very words: "The sceptre
shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until He come for
whom it is reserved; and He shall be the desire of the nations,binding His foal to
the vine, washing His robe in the blood of the grape." For of all races of men there
are some who look for Him who was crucified in Judaea, and after whose crucifixion
the land was straightway surrendered to you as spoil of war. And the prophecy,
"binding His foal to the vine, and washing His robe in the blood of the grape," was a
significant symbol of the things that were to happen to Christ, and of what He was to
do. For the foal of an ass stood bound to a vine at the entrance of a village, and He
ordered His acquaintances to bring it to Him then; and when it was brought, He
mounted and sat upon it, and entered Jerusalem, where was the vast temple of the
Jews which was afterwards destroyed by you. And after this He was crucified, that the
rest of the prophecy might be fulfilled. For this "washing His robe in the blood of
the grape" was predictive of the passion He was to endure, cleansing by His blood
those who believe on Him. For what is called by the Divine Spirit through the prophet
"His robe," are those men who believe in Him in whom abideth the seed of God, the
Word. And what is spoken of as "the blood of thegrape," signifies that He who should
appear would have blood, though not of the seed of man, but of the power of God.
And the first power after God the Father and Lord of all is the Word, who is also the
Son; and of Him we will, in what follows, relate how He took flesh and became man.
For as man did not make the blood of the vine, but God, so it was hereby intimated
that the blood should not be of human seed, but of divine power, as we have said
above. See Genesis 49:11 and John 19:2-5.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/justin-apology2.html, Medieval Sourcebook: J ustin Martyr:
Second Apology [Dialogue with Trypho], CHAP. VII.--THE POETS ALSO BEAR TESTIMONY TO
THE TRUTH.
And of Dionysus, Homer writes without reserve:--
He, mid their frantic orgies, in the groves
Of lovely Nyssa, put to shameful rout
The youthful Bacchus' nurses; they in fear,
Dropped each her thyrsus, scattered by the hand
Of fierce Lycurgus, with an ox-goad armed.(2)

Triumphal procession (2 Cor. 2:14; Col. 2:15):

The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Brown, Zondervan Publishing:


http://www.jcsm.org/StudyCenter/kjvstrongs/STRGRK23.htm, The King James Bible: Strongs Greek
Dictionary, 2358 | :
2358
uio|cue from a prolonged compound of the base of uoce - throeo 2360; and
thriambeuo
three-am-
byoo'-o
a derivative of ottooi - haptomai 680 (meaning a noisy
iambus, sung in honor of Bacchus); to make an acclamatory
procession, i.e. (figuratively) to conquer or (by Hebraism) to give
victory:--(cause) to triumph (over).
The two New Testament instances:
2 Corinthians 2:12-14:
12
Furthermore, when I came to Troas to [preach] Christ's gospel, and a door was
opened unto me of the Lord,
13
I had no rest in my spirit, because I found not Titus my
brother: but taking my leave of them, I went from thence into Macedonia.
14
Now
thanks [be] unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and
maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.
Colossians 2:15:
[And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he (Jesus) made a shew (show) of
them openly, triumphing over them in it.



Now, people like James Dobson will say that Jesus used the Dionysus / sex orgy motif
to show the opposite of what He really wanted. But, the problem with that theory is
that it is not of traditional Church teaching. Plus, its not of intelligent theory. Its
like saying Churches that display crosses do it to show the opposite of what religion
they represent. Maybe theyre really Muslims, huh? Or, like McDonalds displaying
their arches to tell people that they are not really McDonalds, theyre Burger King,
or a shoe store. But, the pathetic thing is, people will just believe whatever James
Dobson says. You see, Jesus was the Son of God, thereby knowing that there would
be a later major sexual corruption. Thereby, giving me the divine information I need.
If God didnt give the correct inspiration to Jesus, then He blew it, and were all
doomed. If God instead gave the correct inspiration to, say, some lonely peasant or
king during the Renaissance, then it unfortunately didnt surpass the influence of the
most popular person that has ever lived: Jesus Christ.

Judges 21:20-21:

Interesting:
20
Therefore they instructed the children of Benjamin, saying, Go, lie in wait in
the vineyards,
21
and watch; and just when the daughters of Shiloh come out to
perform their dances, then come out from the vineyards, and every mancatch a wife
for himself from the daughters of Shiloh; then go to the land of Benjamin.
Apparently folks would steal / kidnap an unwilling Bacchante / Maenad to imprison
her into marriage. This expresses that Bacchantes / Maenads were not married.

The 85 Canons of the Holy Apostles:

http://www.angelfire.com/alt/scm/pedalion.html, The Pedalion or Rudder: THE 85 CANONS OF THE
HOLY APOSTLES (2nd-4th century, but some canons originally supposed to be by St. Peter and
the other Apostles):
CANON 3
If any Bishop or Presbyter, contrary to the Lords ordinance relating to sacrifice,
offers anything else at the sacrificial altar, whether it be honey, or milk, or
artificial liquor instead of wine, chickens, or any kind of animals, or
vegetables, contrary to the ordinance, let him be deposed from office: except ears
of new wheat or bunches of grapes, in due season. let it not be permissible to
bring anything else to the sacrificial altar but oil for the lamp, and incense at the
time of the holy oblation.

The later church wants Christians to stop following
Bacchus:

A History of the Councils of the Church, by Charles Joseph Hefele, 1896, vol. 5, p. 232, THE
QUINISEXT OR TRULLAN SYNOD, A.D. 692 Canon 62:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/trullo.html, The Quinsext (Christian) Council, (or the Council in
Trullo), 692, Canon 62:
CANON LXII.
THE so-called Calends, and what are called Bota and Brumalia, and the full assembly
which takes place on the first of March, we wish to be abolished from the life of the
faithful. And also the public dances of women, which may do much harm
and mischief. Moreover we drive away from the life of Christians the dances given in
the names of those falsely called gods by the Greeks whether of men or women, and
which are performed after an ancient and un-Christian fashion; decreeing that
no man from this time forth shall be dressed as a woman, nor any woman in the garb
suitable to men. Nor shall he assume comic, satyric, or tragic masks; nor may men
invoke the name of the execrableBacchus when they squeeze out the wine in the
presses; nor when pouring out wine into jars [to cause a laugh(3)], practising in
ignorance and vanity the things which proceed from the deceit of insanity. Therefore
those who in the future attempt any of these things which are written, having obtained
a knowledge of them, if they be clerics we order them to be deposed, anti if laymen to
be cut off.
NOTES.
ANCIENT EPITOME OF CANON LXII.
Let these be taken away from the lives of the faithful, viz.: the Bota, and the Calends,
and the Brumalia, and salutations in honour of the gods, and comic, satyric and tragic
masks, and the invocation of Bacchus at the wine press, and the laughing at the wine
jars. Whoever shall persist in these after this canon shall be liable to give an account.
394
On the Calends see Du Cange (Glossarium in loc.). The Bota were feasts in honour
of Pan, the Brumalia feasts in honour of Bacchus. Many particulars with regard to
these superstitions will be found in Balsamon's scholion, to which the curious reader
is referred. Van Espen also has some valuable notes on the Kalends of January.

http://www.wargoddess.net/essay/ivycross/info.php, Enyos Workshop, The Ivy-Covered Cross, by
Sannion:
A Council at Constantinople in 691 CE forbid people to wear Satyr masks while treading the grapes, or
to call out the name of Dionysos. They were supposed to substitute Jesus' name instead. (Carl
Kerenyi, Dionysos pg 67)

A twelfth-century Byzantine play about the Passion of Christ (Christus Patiens), once attributed to
Gregory the Great, makes ample use of material from Euripides' Bakkhai - so much so that we can
piece together lacunae in the text from that work. (Reginald Gibbons' Appendix to Euripides' Bakkhai,
pg 135)
http://web.archive.org/web/20101227053328/http://goldenrule.name/Dionysus_I_am_the_True_Vine.
htm