"THE PHYSICAL PROPERTIES OF THE HOT FLUID HAVE BEEN EXTRAPOLATED BEYOND THE VALID TEMPERATURE RANGE.

CHECK CALCULATED VALUES" " AN INTERNAL TEMPERATURE CROSS EXISTS IN HE EXCHANGER. THE PROGRAM HANDLES THE REVERSE HEAT FLOW PROPERLY IN THE CALCULATIONS, BUT YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER CHANGING THE TERMINAL PROCESS CONDITIONS TO AVOID THE INTERNAL TEMPERATURE CROSS"

I would like to know how to avoid crossing temperature, so I would not get this warning again.. My reply:

Your heat exchanger's tubeside or shell side is 2 pass, right? and your hot fluid outlet temp and cold inlet temp have little difference. You should either increase temp difference or try making shell side/tubeside 1 pass.
try it that way and no longer present temperature crosses but now I have problems with the overdesing of which appears in -94.8%, which failed to raise, you know how I can increase it???? pd. and yes i heat exchangers 2 pass for tubeside, and i have little difference between hot fluid oulet temp and cold inlet temp (2 ºF) You're welcome. Well, increasing temperature difference will help you increase your Overdesign factor (which should be 2% to 10%). Always there is one side a desired output (either cooling or heating a fluid). We can adjust other side (e.g. a hot water supply in shell side to increase the fluid temp on tubeside). To adjust this you should leave the flowrate entry blank. HTRI will automatically adjust the flowrate as per your other process data. But you should also be careful about pressure drop and flow induced vibration (Very high flow rate will result in increased pressure drop n flow induced vibration). If it's not possible further to increase the flow rate. The only option left is to increase the no. of tubes or tube length hence increasing the shell geometry as well. Property Extrapolation: HTRI makes use of VMG Thermo data internally. (You can also input/provide data though) The VMG data is available for certain ranges and if your design range is beyond internal range then you get extrapolation warning. It is OK most of the times. Temperature Cross: Any exchager will have a Hot and Cold fluid. Thus you have Hotin/Hot out and Cold in/Cold out temps. You calcuate approches at inlet and out let based on these 4 t's. The Delta LMTD is a log ave of the approches. Now when you have a cross in the saidT,s ( eg Hot in= 100, Hout out is 35 and Cin is 32 and out is 40 then you have a cross at outlet or inlet depends. When you have cross it is better to use single pass especially when there is a phase change % Overdesign: % oD of -94% means a underdesigned excahgers. Try rating mode and use a geometry that gives area approx double than what you have till you get desired overdesign. I hope this clarifies your issue. Nilam, You can not use economiser it is something else.

It is Air Cooler. You are supposed to have a Hot stream inside tubes. If your Air inlet temp is 30 deg C and out is 35 deg C. Tube in what(u have not specified) but if tube out is less than 33 deg C. Then how can it be Air Cooler which is supposed to be used for cooling the other stream. You can use A Cooler for: say Cooling the Hot stream in tubes ( Say water from 90 to 50 deg C) or Condensing a hot stream ( say ethanol at 78 deg C to 78 deg C no subcooling) but you can not use it for say glycol ( 0 deg in to 20 deg C ) means heating using air Please note that the EMTD (Effective Overall Temperature Difference) is not the same as the usually LMTD. As far as I know it is done by calculations with increments. The Help in Vers. 5 under Fundamentals of Exchanger Design / under "Calculation of Overall Coefficients in Xace and Xist": gives the method, and Search for "Overall Performance Data" gives some more info. I hope this could be of some help, but to me one has to accept that the EMTD is not the same as LMTD even after correction by the curves. HTRI divides the length of HE into number of increments. Then it calculates MTD for all increments and adds to calculate the effective MTD. The reason why your MTD and HTRI's MTD dont match is that the flow in a S&T heat exchanger with baffles is not truly cocurrent/countercurrent. flow direction varies at every point. lets suppose F type shell with single pass tube side. If flow is cocurrent at top of baffle, it will be cross in center of two baffles and the countercurrent at bottom of the next baffle. So, fortunately, HTRI's approach is correct to divide the geometry into different increments and then to calculate MTD.

A condeser with hot process vapours (Ammonia, Carbondioxide and water vapour) on shell side is cooled by cooling water. The shell side vapours are condensed and subcooled. While condensing, shell side vapours react to form Ammonium carbamate /Ammonium hydroxide which are exothermic . The heat duty based on shell side includes, heat of reaction, latent heat and sensible heat. How to input the total heat duty with chemical reaction in HTRI/HTFS. If the manually calculated heat duty is enetered with one shell side temperature, it calculates the other shell side temperature based on heat balance, which is not the real case. Hope the problem is understandable. I think there may be many such cases of heat exchangers with chemical reaction. How to design it with HTRI/HTFS. Need your help Yes in many cases one need to estimate things that software can't give directly.. If me I would calculate this case as a serials of exchangers and "reactors" for the heat from reactions. Ether by hand or maybe better in Aspen HYSYS/HTFS? A workaround for quick calculation could be to change the heat capacity of the shell side to include the heat of reaction. But anyway it need some puzzles to get good figures. I hope this could give you a direction to solve your problem? Dear maeng,

files from HTRI 5.0 cr**k are not running in HTRI 6.0 (Xist for example) even if I use layout.dll and HtriSribd.dll from Val100 --------. Could you explain it?

Hi~~~every guys I already check c*** version 5.0 compare with real(licensed) HTRI 6.0. C**** V5.0 can make a HTRI V6.0 thermal rating. It have no any problem. But, just little problem for showed version. I already check for all result case by case. I will explain how to install for C*** V5.0 to HTRI V6.0 O.K, just install for HTRI V6.0 And then, replaced to existing same file(C:\HTRI\XchangerSuite6) in to the HTRI V6.0., using the attached ----- file (XSuite6 by VALS(only Xace). And after, just replace to existing same file using the V5.0 c****, except Xace. Then, you can know, it is no any problem. Important things, layout.dll and HtriSrbrs.dll are very important to runing for HTRI V6.0. layout.dll and HtriSrbrs.dll are attached in to the Xsuit_by_VALS(only_Xace).rar. So, please replace to existing same file. And then, you can use the HTRIV6.0 I dont know how to up-loaded to here. So, if you doubt for my explanation, i can send to you for capture file. And, if you want full c**** file, i can send to you by e-mail. My e-mail address is a chmaeng@twre.co.th Read more: http://www.egpet.net/vb/threads/6714-HTRI-v-5-SP2-or-v-6Required/page4#ixzz2rAauPmYM