On October 18, 2005 Rev. Dr. David Eckman, PhD.

testified (p 107-111):
1 MR. DRESSER: Let me go about it a different
2 way.
3 BY MR. DRESSER:
4 Q. During the time period when you were the
5 executive vice-president or dean and a student
6 disciplinary matter or a matter that was potentially
7 subject to student discipline came to your attention,
8 did you follow the concepts set forth in Matthew 18?
9 MR. ADLER: I'm going to object to the
10 question as calling for expertise from this witness
11 who is not a noticed expert of any party. I won't
12 instruct.
13 THE DEPONENT: That was not a consideration
14 in mind, meaning it was not the governing reality in
15 such procedures. That's why I'd like to see the
16 catalog that I actually served with. That might
17 actually be helpful.
18 BY MR. DRESSER:
19 Q. Okay. So let me rephrase it another way just
20 so it's clear.
21 A. Sure.
22 Q. You don't have to look at any particular
23 document whatsoever.
24 A. Sure.
25 Q. It's a separate stand-alone question.
1 Is it true that during the time period when
2 you were the executive vice-president or dean and a
3 matter of potential student discipline came to your
4 attention, you did not follow the concepts set forth
5 in Matthew 18?
6 MS. HUNG: Can you repeat the question,
7 please.
8 THE DEPONENT: In principle --
9 MS. HUNG: Before you answer.
10 MR. ADLER: Hold on a second. I think
11 Ms. Hung wanted that read back.
12 MR. DRESSER: He wants to have you not answer
13 the question.
14 MR. ADLER: Counsel, that's really not
15 necessary. It's totally inappropriate.
16 Read back the question.
17 THE COURT REPORTER: "Question: It's a
18 separate stand-alone question. Is it true
19 that during the time period when you were the
20 executive vice-president or dean and a matter
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21 of potential student discipline came to your
22 attention, you did not follow the concepts
23 set forth in Matthew 18?"
24 MR. ADLER: Go ahead.
25 THE DEPONENT: The problem with that question
1 is that it's referring to a very specific section of
2 Scripture, and in dealing with students, to answer
3 "no" is to say that I would be disregarding the
4 Scripture. To answer "yes" would be to say that that
5 was a conscious thought in my mind when I went to go
6 and talk with the student. And it may or may not have
7 been a conscious thought in my mind. The important
8 thing was to talk to the student.
9 Does that make sense?
10 MR. DRESSER: Sure.
11 BY MR. DRESSER:
12 Q. During the time period when you were the
13 executive vice-president or dean, was a student
14 development committee meeting ever gathered in San
15 Jose for the purposes of determining whether
16 discipline should be asserted against a student?
17 A. No.
18 Q. Did you during the time period when you were
19 the executive vice-president or dean demand that a
20 student waive his or her penitent clergy privilege?
21 A. No.
22 Q. During the time period when you were an
23 executive vice-president or dean, did you demand that
24 any student waive his or her privilege in
25 psychological -- in psychologist-patient
1 communications?
2 A. No.
3 Q. During the time period when you were
4 executive vice-president or dean, did you act to
5 suspend any student from education at Western
6 Seminary?
7 A. Ask that question again to make sure I get
8 it.
9 MR. DRESSER: Can you read it back.
10 THE COURT REPORTER: "Question: During the
11 time period when you were executive
12 vice-president or dean, did you act to
13 suspend any student from education at Western
14 Seminary?"
15 THE DEPONENT: No.
16 BY MR. DRESSER:
17 Q. During the time period when you were
18 executive vice-president or dean, did you act to
19 terminate the education of any student from Western
20 Seminary?
21 A. No.
22 Q. During the time period when you were
23 executive vice-president or dean of Western Seminary,
24 did you become aware that any student had had sexual
25 relations outside of marriage?
1 MR. ADLER: You can answer that question yes
2 or no.
3 THE DEPONENT: Yes.
4 BY MR. DRESSER:
5 Q. How many times?
6 MR. ADLER: You mean how many times the
7 student had sex or how many students are we talking
8 about?
9 THE DEPONENT: That's why I'm laughing.
10 BY MR. DRESSER:
11 Q. How many students did you become aware?
12 A. Probably several. As to the specifics, I
13 cannot recollect clearly.