(1:58:17 AM) Chris Antenucci: i've watched it for 4 min, so far only andrea made a substantive point (1:58:52

AM) Chris Antenucci: u can always tell if someone is deeply religious (1:58:57 AM) Chris Antenucci: dana and kimberly aren't, clearly (1:59:07 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: dana is (1:59:13 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: kimberly a little (1:59:25 AM) Chris Antenucci: nah (1:59:40 AM) Chris Antenucci: neither of them has ever made one public statement about their own faith (1:59:48 AM) Chris Antenucci: when u have faith, u wanna share it (2:00:53 AM) Chris Antenucci: bolling is a businessman at heart, i think his fai th is more traditionalism and protecting american values than it is a personal r elationship with Jesus or practicing faith (2:01:09 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: definitely not (2:01:33 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: he talks openly about his faith often on nation al tv (2:01:42 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: cant get much more faithful than that (2:03:16 AM) Chris Antenucci: i watched his show on fox business for years, he n ever once mentioned his faith (2:04:01 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: he does on the 5 (2:04:41 AM) Chris Antenucci: beckel said he's a man of great faith, that tells me he's not, cause that's a lack of humility and u can't truly be close to God w ithout humility (2:05:43 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: he didnt mean it in a bragging way (2:05:43 AM) Chris Antenucci: i notice dana tries as hard as possible to avoid t alking about her faith and only talks about it in general terms (2:06:16 AM) Chris Antenucci: she's very supportive of people of faith but i don 't think she is herself (2:07:25 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: she definitely is (2:07:36 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: she went on a mission trip to africa this year (2:07:53 AM) Chris Antenucci: not because of her faith, because she wanted to he lp others (2:08:17 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: I wouldnt judge what is in people's hearts like that (2:08:41 AM) Chris Antenucci: the greatest irony of this discussion is that it's clear the liberal on the panel cares the most about his faith and is the most a ctive in it (2:09:14 AM) Chris Antenucci: gotta love a panel full of rich media people who m ostly don't practice faith talking about faith (2:09:39 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: i think some of them do (2:10:47 AM) Chris Antenucci: whenever i see rich people talking about or being involved in moral issues i always immediately remember the verse from the bible where Jesus says it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle tha n for a rich man to get into heaven (2:11:09 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: they werent always rich (2:11:16 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: some were, some werent (2:11:55 AM) Chris Antenucci: most were priveleged (2:12:18 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: greg wasnt (2:12:20 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: dana wasnt (2:12:37 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: andrea was middle class (2:12:48 AM) Chris Antenucci: i think with fame and being in the media, it doesn 't give you time or the ability for introspection and to change (2:13:02 AM) Chris Antenucci: cause it's all about you and performing for an aud ience and getting ratings (2:13:24 AM) Chris Antenucci: u have everything u could ever want, u don't need God, so where's the room for God in your life? (2:13:46 AM) Chris Antenucci: none of their friends are people of faith, they al l hang out in the same bubble, the same social circles of NY media people (2:14:00 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: I wouldnt assume that (2:14:28 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: if you go to church every day like bolling you

have some friends that are catholic (2:14:49 AM) Chris Antenucci: i don't think you've imagined what their day to da y life is like, but there's very little room for God (2:15:07 AM) Chris Antenucci: im not judging them, im merely repeating what Jesu s said (2:15:15 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: going to church every day first thing in the mo rning is making room for God (2:15:39 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: plenty of people with much less demanding sched ules than Bolling do that (2:15:50 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: dont do that (2:16:05 AM) Chris Antenucci: like i said, im speaking in general, if he does th at obviously that's an exception (2:16:24 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: my point is we dont know what is in their heart s (2:16:51 AM) Chris Antenucci: im not saying i do, just that u can have a good id ea of their faith by their words and actions (2:16:55 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: they may all be better off spiritually than us for all we know (2:17:22 AM) Chris Antenucci: like if someone judged my faith by my words and ac tions they could conclude that i have very little to no faith, and they'd be rig ht (2:17:49 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: we dont kknow more than 1% of their words and a ctions (2:18:18 AM) Chris Antenucci: my default is to assume that a person with wealth and fame doesn't have faith until proven otherwise, again i get that from the Bi ble when Jesus said there are so few people of faith, and that was even when he was with them in person (2:18:49 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: my position is to not assume anything about any one, regardless of financial status (2:19:11 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: my assumptions have been wrong plenty of times (2:21:31 AM) Chris Antenucci: the fact that i've watched thousands of people on tv and can count the number of people of faith on my fingers is all i need to kn ow about assumptions, at least with people of fame and fortune (2:22:34 AM) Chris Antenucci: for me i only learn from a discussion of faith fro m people who have experience with it and are truly devoted (2:22:42 AM) Chris Antenucci: and that radiates from them, u can always tell (2:23:02 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: Im not as cynical as you it seems (2:23:37 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: I respect anyone who talks about their faith on national tv (2:23:51 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: I wouldnt be able to (2:24:27 AM) Chris Antenucci: u don't have to be brave to talk about faith on fo x (2:24:33 AM) Chris Antenucci: other channels yes (2:25:40 AM) Chris Antenucci: i noticed kimberly and dana def weren't comfortabl e talking about faith, and not passionate like they are talking politics (2:26:17 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: maybe they were told by the producers not to be too preachy (2:26:47 AM) Chris Antenucci: it's their show, they can talk about whatever they want (2:26:59 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: I would take their level of faith anyday over 9 0% of churchgoing Catholics (2:27:19 AM) Chris Antenucci: i would say it's equal to those catholics (2:27:50 AM) Chris Antenucci: don't confuse support for values and people of fai th as having faith yourself (2:28:26 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: I sense they have a moderately storng faith (2:28:42 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: just hasnt been tested (2:29:00 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: which is ok (2:29:06 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: God doesnt test everyone to the same degree (2:29:12 AM) Chris Antenucci: it's not ok for them (2:29:19 AM) Chris Antenucci: an untested faith isn't faith at all

(2:29:48 AM) Chris Antenucci: only by suffering and crosses can we prove our fai th, if u don't prove ur faith then it's just intellectual (2:29:59 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: not always (2:30:09 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: not everyone has to suffer greatly in this life (2:30:19 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: and they can still have a strong faith (2:31:06 AM) Chris Antenucci: i didn't say greatly, it goes back to the point i made about them being privileged and the rich man jesus talked about. Jesus kne w that when ur rich u aren't tested and u need God less, so u tend to forget abo ut God, it's just human nature (2:31:55 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: just like with mom as a kid, as long as the see d of faith is planted by some means, it is always there (2:32:06 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: whether you are rich, poor, or anythign else (2:32:33 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: it is all about God's will for each person (2:33:09 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: why some people raised Catholic like mom lose t heir faith then regain it later and others just lose it we will never know (2:34:07 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: the fact that Andrea does spiritual reading tel ls me she has faith (2:34:26 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: to do that given her age, success, wealth, etc tells me she has plenty of faith (2:35:02 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: partly from her parents and Greek heritage, and maybe mostly from her experiences with her retarded brother who died this year (2:36:54 AM) Chris Antenucci: when u look at all the famous atheists, they're al l from privileged backgrounds, they haven't been tested or pushed to the breakin g pint. That's why they say there's no atheists in foxholes. Well I would amen d that to say that also applies to people who believe in God but have no faith o r relationship with Him. When u aren't tested, especially earlier throughout ur life, it's exponentially harder to become a person of faith because u don't hav e that constant reminder that u need God, so then u have to find faith from an i ntellectual pov, and even then that often doesn't lead to a strong faith, just a n intellectual belief. U have no incentive to learn a faith and to practice it because u have everything u want in life. So u might still have the chance to b ecome a person of faith later in life, but then it's much harder, and it still r equires u to have some suffering. If u could have faith without suffering, suff ering wouldn't exist. Every saint had suffering and knew that that was the prim ary tool God used to bring people closer to Himself (2:37:43 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: faith isnt just about suffering (2:38:03 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: it is about challenges, spritual, mental, physi cal, and emotional (2:38:27 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: anything that makes you think and question your existence and relationship with God (2:38:33 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: doesnt have to be suffering (2:38:53 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: we just think that way because we are the most familiar with suffering (2:39:16 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: many people find their faith through their inte llect alone (2:39:32 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: or being inspired by someone they love or know (2:39:45 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: or the suffering of someone they know and love (2:39:51 AM) Chris Antenucci: i said suffering and crosses, doesn't have to be p hysical suffering obviously (2:40:04 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: doesnt have to be any suffering (2:40:19 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: suffering is just one means of developing faith (2:40:44 AM) Chris Antenucci: im not talking about finding faith, im talking abo ut making it strong and developing a relationship with God (2:40:48 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: arguably the most important one, but not the on ly one (2:41:09 AM) Chris Antenucci: simply can't be done without personal trials, beca use only then are you forced to reach out to God regularly for guidance and help (2:41:13 AM) Chris Antenucci: every saint had them (2:41:35 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: some were very privileged and wealthy too (2:41:59 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: most of the drs of the church were either wealt

hy or didnt suffer greatly (2:42:15 AM) Chris Antenucci: they all had trials, even the wealthy ones (2:42:28 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: sure, but not the type you are talkinga bout (2:42:35 AM) Chris Antenucci: im not talking about any type (2:42:53 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: for the most part they led very peaceful lives (2:43:12 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: to have the thoughts they had you couldnt be su ffering too much (2:43:42 AM) Chris Antenucci: go back and read about each life of the saints and you'll find that every one had a major crisis or trial at some point in their l ife (2:44:07 AM) Chris Antenucci: and some cross to bear, whether physical, mental, spiritual, relationships, cultural, etc (2:44:31 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: sure (2:44:47 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: Im just saying it is possible to live without m uch suffering and still have faith (2:45:22 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: and plenty of people suffer greatly and have no faith (2:45:32 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: so suffering is only a tool (2:45:56 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: just as important or more important is how you were raised and what God's Will for you is (2:46:14 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: suffering hasnt brought us closer to God for ex ample (2:46:46 AM) Chris Antenucci: i only speak in generalities for a reason, there a re always exceptions (2:46:57 AM) Chris Antenucci: i always go back to that, there's a reason Jesus said that quote about the rich man and heaven (2:48:05 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: what about the romneys? (2:48:26 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: the Bushes (2:48:45 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: Gov Kasich (2:48:58 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: I can give a lot more examples (2:49:24 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: it is all about your mindset before you get ric h (2:49:25 AM) Chris Antenucci: we don't know where they'll end up (2:49:40 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: that determines how your wealth affects you (2:51:56 AM) Chris Antenucci: my point is that if you grow up with an easy life it's as Jesus said, and even if you grow up with a moderately hard life and beco me wealthy, that still makes it hard to be a person of faith because it takes ur focus off of God and puts it on your possessions and ur career, and that's prec isely what Jesus was referring to. And if you don't have faith before you becom e wealthy, and don't have the values instilled in you by parents, then wealth an d success will likely prevent u from ever developing a strong faith (2:52:22 AM) Chris Antenucci: the rare exceptions to that rule are the people of great intellects like the chestertons and c.s. lewises who were so intellectual ly curious that they had to find the truth wherever it led them. But they arriv ed at their faith from an intllectual point first and then it became personal on ce they realized they found the truth and needed to practice it daily. But that 's rare, even more so in today's culture where people have no time to read and r eflect, and it's all about getting famous and being successful.

very interesting, the atheist kirsner who i've had intense debates about God wit h, just posted this on fb . . .http://www.esquire.com/blogs/news/roger-ebert-fin al-moments The most amazing this is on the way home last week i had that ex

act thought. That this world is all basically an illusion. We all lose sight o f the afterlife or never have it in the first place and focus completely on our day to day life, and before we know it, we're old and 50 years went by and we're about to die. Because in the big scheme of things 50 years is a drop in the bu cket of eternity and it goes by so fast we don't even know where our life went u nless we took time each day to reflect and step away from the madness and busine ss of modern day american culture. The only way we can be ready for the next li fe and not get caught in the illusion is if we stay close to God and reflect eac h day on how we can improve ourselves and make sure we're doing His will so we c an be worthy of Heaven.