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OT Historical Books discuss 1 Samuel 19:24 Saul gets naked before the Lord! in the The Scriptures forums; I was puzzled about David getting naked but Gill puts it into perspective. 1 Samuel 19:24 And he stripped off his clothes also,.... Not all ...
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1 Samuel 19:24 Saul gets naked before the Lord!

I was puzzled about David getting naked but Gill puts it into perspective. 1 Samuel 19:24 And he stripped off his clothes also,.... Not all his clothes, but his upper garments, as men in such circumstances used to do, as the prophets sometimes did, and as it seems his messengers had done; according to Jarchi, R. Isaiah, and others (n), he stripped himself of his royal robes, and put on the habit of the scholars, the disciples, and sons of the prophets: and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, as the messengers had done, singing such like songs, or foretelling such like things as they did; he and they speaking not of themselves, but as they were moved by the Holy Spirit of prophecy; for such gifts have sometimes been bestowed on men that were destitute of the grace of God, as Balaam, Caiaphas, and others: and lay down: or "fell down" (o), as persons in an ecstasy or trance: and lay naked all that day, and all that night; not entirely naked, both without his upper garment or royal robes, or else his armour; so an unarmed man is said to be naked, though otherwise he has his clothes on: thus Gelon having conquered the Carthaginians, and made himself master of all Sicily, went into the forum "naked" (i.e. unarmed), and declared he would restore the government to the citizens, wherefore a naked statue for him was erected in the temple of Juno (p); so Quinctius Cincinnatus was found ploughing naked (q), who cannot be supposed to be without any clothes on him. Jarchi, from Menachem, reports, that he had heard from an Arabian, that the word the Targum makes use of for "naked", signifies, in the Arabic language, one that is furious or mad, as
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persons in an ecstasy, or under a prophetic spirit, sometimes seemed to be; now Saul was kept and held in such circumstances a whole day and night, that David might have an opportunity of making his escape, and getting at such a distance from him that he could not overtake him: wherefore they say, is Saul also among the prophets? this became a common saying, a proverbial expression, at least was now revived and observed with admiration; that Saul, who had behaved himself in so ill a manner, as an enemy to so good a man, should be found among the prophets of the Lord, and prophesying as they did. (n) Vid. Hieron. Trad. Heb. in lib. Reg. fol. 76. G. (o) " et cecidit", V. L. Pagninus, Montanus, "et corruit", Vatablus. (p) Aelian. Var. Hist. l. 6. c. 11. (q) Aurel. Victor. de Vir. Illustr. c. 20. I just need to do a bit of a word study to back him up.

Eoghan attending Wick Baptist Church Scotland specialist subject: Creationist Genetics (Bottleneck effect of the Ark) interests: holiness (practical theology) member of Biblical Creation Society (available as a guest speaker in the far north of Scotland)

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The "covering" that Saul removed (H899) also has the double meaning of a covering in the sense of treachery. This is different from the garments (H4085) that Jonathan exchanged with David in the previous chapter - but then there was no treachery between Jonathan and David.

Eoghan attending Wick Baptist Church Scotland specialist subject: Creationist Genetics (Bottleneck effect of the Ark) interests: holiness (practical theology) member of Biblical Creation Society (available as a guest speaker in the far north of Scotland)

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There is also an underlying theme (thread?) in 1 Samuel of the removal of Saul's kingship being reflected in the "removal" of his garments in various places (e.g., when David removes a portion -- treacherously to use the terminology you indicate above -- at the cave while Saul relieves himself). David, OTOH, gathers clothing gradually. Near the beginning of the David narrative, Saul offers to give him his armor, but David refuses. He will become king through the Lord's means. I actually wrote a seminary paper on this passage and probably have that somewhere in electronic form. Contact me via PM with your email address and I can send it to you.

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