Court File No.

: CRIM J(S) 1557/11

SUPERIOR COURT OF JUSTICE
(Central West Region)
BETWEEN:
HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
Respondent
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MOHAMED HERSI
Applicant
EXCERPTS OF BODY- PACK INTERCEPTS
VOLUME 3
MARCH, 2011
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024 HERSI: I love Audis, man. If I had an Audi Id be just..
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Honestly if I.. Honestly if I was a pirate, Somalian
026 pirate and I got my few hundred thousand dollars, first
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027 thing Id buy is an Audi, you know?
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1029 They dont goon water though. (Laughs)
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i03I HERSI: You should read that article by whats his name uh
032 Sheikh Anwar Awlaki (ph).
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Yeah, yeah, Ill get to it.
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For sure.
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1040 HERSI: ... it you see what it says you would be surprised on
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what it says. So think about it.
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It ... Whats ah Like whats the idea, the base on
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it?
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oso HERSI: Basic idea is that uh.,. uh (Mouth noise) you can
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steal. (Laughs)
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Whats the best way to go back you think?
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1055 HERSI: Go back on uh whatever goes uh (Makes mouth
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1056 noise) If you can get down on Yonge, its good. If you
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toss Richmond and make a ra .. uh ya know?
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1060 No, Richmond I think is the one.,. its a one way thats
1061 the problem.
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1066 1067 HERSI: So just keep ongoing here straight then go
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1071 HERSI: .. back on Yonge...
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1073 Ill go right to the water.
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1075 HERSI: Go to Yonge. Go to Yonge right? Cause theres no
1076 entrance here. Go to Yonge, you get on the highway.
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081 HERSI: .. this for some really fruity dude, right? But anyhow
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basically his... his... his whole.. his whole uh . . . uh
1083 .. . LIh article was about the fact that Muslims
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1087 HERSI: ... can steal from non-Muslims because Muslims are
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stealing because youre dis.aseesiig (ph) them of
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weath that they wouldve go on to killing of
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Thats what hes saying.
Yeah. He says as long as theyre.. And if theyre.. if
theyre peaceful with us then dont do it. Like if youre
in Brazil youre not supposed to rob Brazilians in
Brazil. But to Americans, he said the Americans they
are supportive silently and openly of their government
killing Muslims, right?
Yeah.
Cause theyre slaughtering people
Afghanistan
in Afghanistan, Iraq
Iraq.
Somalia.
Forhow long?
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1129 HERSI: And people there are not protesting, they dont care.
1130 I mean theres a couple of people who are... who are
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protesting but the overwhelming majority they actually
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HERSI: ...BUSH. They voted BUSH in a second time.
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Ah-ha four more years.
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1141 HERSI: And they voted in this guy OBAMA. He didnt say he
1142 was ever gonna end it the Iraq war, right? No the
1143 Afghanistan war. He said he was gonna end the Iraq
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war but leave fifty thousand people there. Which is
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1146 basically at war with us, right? So the article says
1147 that, hey, if you can go take something, it will become
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1152 HERSI: Yeah, you have to make a left. Or you can go..
1153 Yeah, you cant (Unintelligible)
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I cant go straight.
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HERSI Yeah so if you could it would just become
*spoils
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right, which means uh booty of war, spoils of
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1161 Mm-hmm.
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1163 HERSI: You know? And if you can take it without even
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1165 means just something thats there, right? (Laughs) So
1166 you could take it without ... And then youd have to
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HERSI: So his premises was very interesting. I dont know
how many people will follow out with it.
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HERSI: I think that people will think its controversial cause
its like why would you rob random person, right?
Hes not saying rob a random person. But anyhow
read that article. Its ,.. Its (Unintelligible)
You said its like towards end. I havent ... I just
havent gotten there.
HERSI: Its like a lot of pages. Hell give you proofs from the
Quran and Sunna and then you think about it. Think
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1171 HERSI: If you cant
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1173 I think I could take this right to the Gardiner
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rob random people. Thats just ... ahh ... I dont
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know. I ... not ra,.. random people but I mean like
1203 rob a random American.
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So hes saying to do that? Hes not taLking about
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1208 HERSI: Its ... If you take the money ... If you were to go to a
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store or like a random (Unintelligible)
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1211 So hes talking to people in the West then?
1212 1213 HERSI: In the West.
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1221 1-IERSI: (Unintelligible) hes saying hes like saying
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1225 HERS!: ... youre not supposec to do this to ... hes saying
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youre supposed to do this in the West cause then
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then take some of that money and youre supposed to
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give it to the people in the East
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HERSI: ... to support them. Not all of it but only like your
1233 Cause itd be like you keep four fifths for yourself and
1234 you give twenty percent to them cause itd be like the
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premises of
*spoils
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which would be
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239 HERSI: ... you give a
*fjfth
which is one fifth to the .. to the
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1241 and theyll take that money and re-invest it into the,
1242 you know
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HERSI: ... into the effort down there, right?
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1251 HERSI: Like the Prophet
*Allahs
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said my... my... my sustenance is under
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the shade of my sword, right? And it was true
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Muslims got rich, right, in the Prophets time is
1256 because they fought the
*disbelievers*
and whatever
1257 wealth they had would be split amongst Muslims,
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262 HERSI: And that money wouldve been
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1264 Cause the disbelievers
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1265 too. They still do today, right? Theyre doing it in
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Canada in
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1270 HERSI: . ..America or...
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i74 HERSI: .. whatever, right? And he says youre allowed to
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*disbeliever.
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Normally
1276 youre not supposed to take interest, right?
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1278 ASS Yeah cause its
*prohibited
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1280 HERSI: Its
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But youre allowed to take even
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*disbeliever
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if... if its going to the,
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1284 interesting article. Ah eh
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1290 HERSI: But they would even ... even support of (Stutters)
1291 Allah as long as their intentions are for Islam. Most of
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1296 HERSI: ... right?
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1307 pirates, Im not saying theyre drunks, but they do
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1317 HERSI: They dont give twenty percent. Some of them
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actually gives twenty percent to, you know, Al-
1319 Shabaab right?
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1323 HERSI: So those guys ... some of them Im sure are
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supportive of them, right? Im sure some pirates are
1325 like hey why not well give twenty percent you, keep
1326 e... eighty say... percent for us. Were still
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1334 HERSI: And hey they get
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1339 actually happy. Theyre like, yeah, as long as. And
1340 Al-Shabaab cant demand more twenty percent. They
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345 HERSI: You know cause theyre taking it forcefully from
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1347 1348 Uh, shit, this is the same way.
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1350 HERSI: Yeah, were going the same ... just go straight. Just
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have my ticket booked. I ... Like I know the exact
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1380 HERSI: What do you mean booked?
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1399 HERSI: They told me theyre giving me a two-dollar discount.
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1408 Just make it a hundred.
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1410 HERSI: Yeah just make
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1412 Thats a discount.
1413 1414 HERSI: . it a hundred. Well round it out to seven ... seven
1415 hundred a least, you know? But its actually pretty
14J6 cheap relatively, you know?
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1418 Yeah, thatis reallycheap.
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1420 HERSI: What about you? You gonna... (Makes mouth
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sound) You bought already? Like you have ... Are
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1426 HERSI: Ill tell you as advice, try to book it at least a month in
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advance. Its better for you. And try to book it with a
1428 credit card. Its betterforyou on that sense, right?
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1432 HERSI: Cause if you ever book things with just cash and you
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book it in a short notice thats red flag central right
1434 there. And youre gonna go
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Really?
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1438 HERSI: be put on some no fly list, yeah. Theyll say Muslim
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guy with cash. First of all where do you get all this
1440 cash from? Second of all why is he spending cash?
1441 And why is he booking it so late, right? You put a
1442 month in advance, you know, even a month and a
443 half theyll say okay hes going on a trip, you know?
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But you put ... and ... and if you only take like you
1445 know small possessions with you, it kinda looks bad
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1449 gonna ask you, what do you actually plan on
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1452 HERSI: Bringing all my clothes. Stuff. My laptop.
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1454 And just clothes?
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HERSI: Clothes, laptops uh any ... (Laughs) anything I can
1457 bring that is carry-able, right? Electronics, my iPod.
Obviously Im not gonna bring like a TV cause that
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would be kinda... Im not gonna bring a cat cause I
1460 dont have a cat. Ill bring whatever I can bring.
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you mention that. I think I have it here. (Rustling
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1494 HERSI: What the hell? Thats sixteen-ninety-nine. What is
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1501 (Mouth noise) No you see (Unintelligible) if you buy a
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1504 t-IERSI: You have PAL (ph) right.
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Grsth+-ye*acquisition?
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1520 HERSI: ... advise you to get this, man. Its gonna kind of look
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1523 So youre not gonna
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HERSI: No, no, no.
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1529 HERSI: Thats gonna make you look suspicious. Plus they
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1538 HERSI: Down there .., Yeah, you can get it. If ... I was
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1543 HERSI: and these guys have uh if SomaH pirates can
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1546 Yeah but theyve got a bit
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1552 HERSI: No, no, Somali pirates are not richer than
1553 Al-Shabaab. Trust me theyre not. If Al-Shabaab is
1554 They control ports right?
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I 1558 HERSI: Contro they get they get millions of dollars in
1559 revenue. They they force the pirates to give them
1560 some revenue cause theyre legally they have a
1561 right to take ienty percent, right? And its not like
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1564 money and give it to the poor and the needy, right. So
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1566 advise you is take cash with you, man. Take cash
1567 with you to Kenya, right, cause when you go on a trip
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to Kenya use that. Pay cash. Cause Kenya also has
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a lot of things you can get there. You go to
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HERSI: ...-tsttgtr(ph), 1eih (ph) you can get anything in the
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1578 HERSI: For pretty cheap. You can pretty much get anything.
Anything thats being sold in the world you can get
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1591 something?
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1612 HERSI: Trust me (Laughs) I wouldnt advise you to ever pack
1613 thisstuffwithyou.
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1615 I wasnt thinking of packing it. was thinking of uh
1616 gettingit...
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1618 HERSI: Shipping it?
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1622 HERS1: If you do that thats probably better for you.
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1624 But youre saying that theyll have it, so
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1631 HERSI: ... I wouldnt mind. I would... I... I... I would.. I
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1633 do it, man. Do whatever you think is in your interest,
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1636 But if I dont have to spend the money.
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1638 HERSI Save the money and probably you can get it there for
r 1639 cheaper. In Somalia you can buy anything, man. In
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HERSI: Yeah this is like a scam. Everything here is artificially
inflated,
you know? So you can get like a... a pistol
1647 for like a hundred bucks, man. Theyll charge you like
1648 seven eight hundred dollars probably for a pistol,
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1661 SE ... I think it is a shotgun.
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1663 HERSI: Yeah, it is a shotgun. Better be powerful for two
1664 thousand dollars. You can probably get one a small
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1669 HERSI: ... three four hundred bucks, you know?
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HERSI: Just ... just take cash with you. Remember dont ever
1679 take over ten thousand. Thats a problem.
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Yeah it was like three or four thousand you were
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saying is best to have on
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HERSI: Even under ... even under ... If you were to take nine
1685 thousand it kinda looks suspicious. Take three four
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thousand. . its your trip. Put some on like a debt
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1691 HERSI: you know what I mean? Just have an account to
1692 transfer to another account over there. Wire transfer,
1693 right? You know what I mean?
1694
1695 Yeah.
696
1697
HERSI: Just talk to your ban ... bank In advance and youre
1698 allowed to do that, right? Or even to DEHABSCHILD
1699
(ph) you can send it to DEHAB ... DEHABSCHILD
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money for me or... and send it over there for me on
1702 this day, you know? As long as its a certain amount
I
1703 ya know like two three thousand? It would be better if
J
704 you do that. Pay them like ... its gonna cost you like
1705 uh probably like seventy eighty bucks to send two
1
1706 thousand dollars but be less of a hassle, you know?
I
1707 And I cant even see any of this. A fishing rod ...
iios need a fishing rod, man. Ive never gone fishing in
1709 my life. You know that?
1710
711 Ohyeah?
712
i713 HERSI: Its pretty sad oh?
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1715 Theres a lot of things you havent done.
1716
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1717 HERS I: I havent done ... cause I live friggin city man. I
1718 didnt wan ... you lived in a village, grew up in a
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1719 village (Unintelligible)
1720
1721 Oh here you go. Youre punking me again.
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320 HERSI: This... Yeah this picture was... is not like that old,
321 right. Maybe this is like... Yeah (Unintelligible).
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323 You dont know him, you just knew he... from hearing
324 about it.
325
326 HERSI: No, I know... I know him from
*peace
be upon you
327 (Unintelligible)
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329 Jright.
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331 HERSI: Now I do know couple (Ufiifdethgibe) like my personal
332 friend. Ill tell you. This guy... (Laughs) I dont know...
333 (Unintelligible)
334
335 You dont know if I wanna what? As what?
(
336
337 HERSI: Listen, check this out, this guy went to Somalia.
338 (Unintelligible) See him right here, hes one of the
guys
who went to Somalia, Hes actually in Somalia

340 (Lkiin.tethgible) hes on Facebook. See that? This is

341 (Unintelligible) right here.
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*mosque
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same
344 high school and everything. Like I think a year
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347 younger than me.
348
349 IA Yeah.
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*turban
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Hes in Somalia
352 right there, you can see hes in Somalia, right, the
353 background, hes in Al-Shabaab (ph) camp. (Laughs)
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357 HERSI: Thats his nickname. His real name is not Maa4(ph)
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358 His real name isAd-alean (ph).
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361
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363 cause hes lighter skinned.
364
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366
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368 brother... his brother is really dark, right, his brother.
369
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372 HERSI: Huh?
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374 Same both parents?
375
376 HERSI: Same parents, same parents, one is really dark, one
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378
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380
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385 HERSI: Im not gonna add him on Facebook
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389 HERSI: dont wanna get like.. .they stop me and say what
390 the hell are you doing here? One other guy I know
39!
hes like (Unintelligible) he was trying--- he was trying
392 to add my other friend here in Toronto, right.
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395
396 HERSI: ... Recently. Hes like Im not gonna add him. Were
397
still friends but Im not adding him while Im in
39X Toronto. (Laughs) I dont want no problems. I dont
399 want no problems.
400
401 Yeah.
402
403
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404
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405 Yeah its... its almost ibce not to Facebook.
406 407 HERSI: Mm mm.
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409 Like...
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1 413 Yeah.
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417
418 Pictures and... All your pictures that you upload and
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419 stuff like that.
420
421 HERSI: Yeah.
422
423 Theyre not yours. Like they can use them as they
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425
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427 just my main.., main picture, its small and you can
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429
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431
432 HERSI: It was like a picture that--- Im not gonna add too
433
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435 add modern pictures.
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438 and hes made it.
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440 HERSI: Hes been there...
44
442 ... So hes...
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444 HERSI: . . .for about a year and a half.
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446 So hes trying to add people? Does he not realize the
447 trouble he get him in or he just?
448
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449 HERSI: . ..I dont know, I dont know. I dont know if hes
450 realizing that but hes in that picture. You can see him
45 in a shed in Somalia, right.
452
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456
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459 HERSI: . ..Yeah so doesnt kinda look exactly smart. But hey
460 hes a good brother, I remember him, we used to go
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461 to high school together. Hes a quiet guy, very quiet,
462 extremely quiet. Like you talk to him, you say wha
463 (ph)
*pea
be upon you,
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whats up, how you
464 doing? (U tet1i4e-My personal relationship wasnt
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465 that eoel-with-bia -with-each other, you know, just
466 chilled, but hes very quiet.
467
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470 HERSI: You never know. Maybe. Maybe hell pass away
471 before I do or I pass before he does. Who knows, if
472
Allah...
473
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But you know thats not the end, right.
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476 HERSI: Yeah, you maybe see him in
*paradise
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you never know. Hes a good guy, I tell
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478 you that. We used to go to Churchill together.
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481 Church together (Laughs) and I was like what?
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484
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487 HERSI: ... Me and him, Geftd4e, remember Gendce, the guy I
488 was telling you about, the other guy?
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490 The... You talked to him before...
491
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492 HERSI: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
493
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496 HERSI: . . . He went there. A couple of other guys. Ah one or
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497 two other guys I know also went there but not them
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499 (ph) and then I know some other guy but not too well.
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504 HLRSI: Two thousand nine,
505
506
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507
SOS HERSI: Late two thousand nine. Like he went... my friend that
509
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510
511 See I keep thinking itstwo thousand ten.
512
513 HERSI: I think its like yesterday like...
514
515 . ..Yeah,
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sii HERSI: ...last year, right, youre like...
SiS 519 ...Yeah.
520
521 HERSI: . . .two thousand nine. What?
522
523
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524
525 HERSI: . .. They went.. They went only in November two
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527 know that was not too long ago.
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529 Ah I was in another...
530
531 HERSI: (Unintelligible)
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533 . . .world at that time.
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535 HERSI: WeB my friend died in March two thousand ten this
536 month.
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539
540 HERSI: ... Its only been...
541
542 .. .deeth-(Ur teib) a year.
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547
548 HERSI: . . . of March. March (Unintelligible). I remember going
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552 Mmhmm
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554 HERS): . .1 talked to his father. He just thought (Unintclliibje)
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555 what Im gonna do in my life, I just (Unintelligible) this
556 guy (Unintelhgible) He seemed like he was
557 disappointed cause that was his only son, right and
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558 he had high hopes for him, hes an intelligent guy, you
559 know. But he doesnt realize that Allah has better
560 hopes for him, right.
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562 Because hes looking at it ah...
563
564 HERS): ...Very...
565
566 . .. as a parent.
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570 Just like even in the...
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573 a very secular perspectve cause Semela*&-4ve
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578 HERSI: . . for... for all of their existence.
579
580 You had...
581
582 HERSI: In Somalia you see...
583
584
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585
586 HERSI: .. . (Unintelligible) You look at the seventies and the
587
sixties, no hijab, nothing. Like were talking about in
my family.
589
590 That had a lot...
591
592 HERSI: . ..My mom...
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600 HERSI: .. she says her family was relatively conservative
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602 want no hijab, you know. And then in the eighties
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603 people started wearing hijabs (Unintelligible). And in
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*veils
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(Chuckles)
605 everybody (Unintelligible)
606
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608
69 HERSI: When you go to Somalia now you dont see one
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610 woman without a hijab. But if you go back twenty-five
611 thirtyyearsago...
612
613 Itd probably be the opposite.
614
ois HERSI: .. it would be the opposite. Hijab was very rare. You
616 saw women in the jungle like... like in the... the
617
*desert
they wearing the, you know, like the... they
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619
620 Yeah.
621
622 HERSI: (Unintelligible) women would have their breasts out, it
623
was like (Laughs) thirty years ago talking... the
624
nomadic ladies, they would walk around like almost
625 naked, you knowwhat I mean.
626
627 1 fE its a different culture though.
628
629 HERSI: But Im saying thats...
630
631 ...Yeah.
632
633 HERSI: . . .thats Somalia. And thats a Muslim country a
634 hundred percent, right. When you think about it,
635
Egypt, same thing. You go to Egypt thirty forty years
.. v
636 ago no hijabs, right, the scholars (Unirkef4i4e) right.
637 The scholars were talking about... you never see a
638 Qaradawi (ph) (Unintelligible) you know what I mean?
639
640 Yeah, the...
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642 HERSI: They... Now they do. Even in... in today Egypt youll
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643 find them... some... some scholars no beards.
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645 You send me this or should do...
646
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647 HERSI: No.
648
649 I was gonna close it off.
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651 HERSI: How much gig watts does it have?
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652
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653 I dont know. It just... It keeps a duration of how Cong
654 you use...
655
656 HERSI: Oh it says you have two hundred and sixty something.
657
658 Yeah.
659
660
HERSI: Okay, thats it, you can close it. Lets go. Were
661 done.
662
663 Yeah let me to,.. let me make sure its closed off. I
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1 666 HERSI: .. Yeah, Im telling you now... but Im saying, Ill tell
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667 you this from personal experience, the world is
668 changing very quickly. Who wouldve thought...
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670 . ..Just look in...
671
672 HERSI: ... in the last two months...
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674 . . And its about to be...
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675
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676 HERSI: ... (Unintelligible) Hosni Mubarak...
677
678 Its a...
679
680
HERSI: . . .
681
682 Even in the time...
683
684 HERSI: (Unintelligible)
685
686 And thats... (Unintelligible)
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688 HERSI: But you know the best thing ever Ill tell you dont
689 leave any closed doors, you know, cause see these
690
guys they... they... they kind of became quite open
691 that they...
692
693
.. . About...
694
695 HERSI: . . .that they were going there and theyre never
696
coming back, Now he... this guy cant ever come back
697 to Canada unless he goes to... hell be thirty years to
life, right, you know what I mean.
699
700 Cause...
701
702
HERSI: Cause hes quite open about it, right, and his parents
703 also, you know...
704
705 They knew?
706
707
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. ki
708 people Ic 4ow,-Hen, where is he? (UeUigb4e
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711
712 HERSI: Then they find out they have flight manifests, right
713
(Laughs) Those guys too are on their way to Somalia,
714 you know. (Unintelligible)
715
716
Oh did they?
717
718 HERSI: I think to Kenya. They went to Kenya.
719
720 Serious?
721
722 HERS1: Yeah, theyre already in Kenya (Unintelligible) my
723 boy... the other guy here, he went straight to
724 Somalia, remember what I told you? (Unintelligible)
725 726 IJ Ken.
727
728 HERSI: Yeah.
729
730 Kenny? Kenny?
731
732 HERSI: Yeah. He went straight to there. He actually came
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739
740 HERSI; Ill tefl you in the car.
741
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743
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744 HERSI; Ill tell you in the car.
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746 Yeah, yeah. You wanna grab your thing now? You
747 wanna grab your thing now from the trunk?
748
1 74 HERSI: feel like Im a fourteen year old, man.
750
751 (Laughs)
752
753 HERSI: If I really just shaved off all my beard...
754
755 Youd look like one.
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757 HERSI: and if I had like one of those... like you know those
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758 like ah really, really, really shaved, clean shaved, I
759 think I can pass off as a seventeen year old
760 (UriUigiN) . .
761
762 Wanna grab that now before you forget? Before
763 you...
764
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765 HERSI: Cause Ive seen some fifteen year olds with a thick
766 beard, Im like how do they grow such thick beards?
767
768 SERd Genetics.
769
770 HERSI: And the... cause theyre Indian too. (Laughs) Thats
771 gottabearace...
772
773 (Laughs) Theyre b... Theyre born with a goatee.
4
774
775 HERSI: No, I was telling you. ..I was like... I saw one kid, Im
776
like I wish could grow that, right. He had like a thick
777 one, like were talking thick, like fifteen sixteen years
778 old, Im like (Sound of car doors opening and closing)
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780 you, right.
1 781
P
782 Yeah.
783
784 HERSI: Thats not true. They... They... They... most Somatis
785 cant... you see my the Imam... You wanna go there
786 one day? Well...
787
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788 Whats that?
789
790 HERSI: . . . go there, well go to that
amosque
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the Somali
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right.
792
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795 HERSI: Hes the guy that spoke against ah all the kids that
796 went, right. Hes anti AI-Shabaab. (Laughs)
I 798 Whos.... I dont know who that is.
799
800 HERSI: ... Kind of ironic, eh? Sheikh Saeed (ph), Sheikh
Saeed
Rageh (ph). You know Sheikh Saeed Rageh
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803
804 No.
805
806 HERSI: Hes a Sornalian Imam of.. of.. of... of... Imam Abu
807 Huraira (ph), right.
808
809 Okay.
810
811 HERSI: Hes anti PJ-Shabaab, right. So he put a message
812 cause they bombed Hargeysa (ph) right. I dont know
813 ifhesa tribalist (Laughs) or...or what butwhen they
814 were bombing other citiesAlShabadb, he doesnt
815 care but when the bombed ha.... He put a message
816 out, right, cause he... hes from the northern part of
817 Somalia, right.
818
819 Okay.
820
2I
HERSI: So dont know whats going on but anyhow he
822 hates... he doesnt he like them. He thinks theyre...
823 theyre... theyre... He has a very messed up... He
824 talks about, you know, that J word, right, every time,
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826
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827 Oh.
828
829 HERSI: And then he...
830
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832
833 HERSI: ... .And then... And... Yeah, yeah. But he doesnt like
834 when it happens in Somalia but he likes it if it
835 happens in Afghanistan or... its very ironic, eh.
836
837 Yeah.
838
J
839 HERSI: .. . People are like oh may Allah bless the brothers in
840 Afghanistan and then when you talk about... Oh oh.
841 No? (Laughs) They believe it can only happen in
842
certain areas in the world.
843
844 Hmm.
845
846 HERSI; You know?
847
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849
850 HERSI; What?
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852 Kings Cross.
853
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854 HERSI: Is that it?
855
856 I was wondering what that word was but its that car
857 dealership.
858
859 HERSI: (Laughs) Oh geez. Crazy.
860
861 You said you were gonna... Oh thats what you were
862 gonna say in the car, about him?
863
864 HERS I: .. Thats my bag? You got it out, right.
865
866 Yeah, yeah.
867
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868 HERSI: Oh sweet. Yeah, man, Im telling you, I was gonna
buy a cheaper one for thirty bucks online.
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872
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fi
874
875
876
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877 HERSI: .. .thirty plus tax.
878
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879
.. .with tax. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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gsi HERSI: (Laughs) How... But then they cancelled my order
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882
online so I said okay Im not gonna wait for twenty
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days plus you guys playing games with me and that.
884
Ill just get a bag. Cause its all about now, you know,
885
I leave in twenty... Ive got twenty days left, alright. I...
886
I 887
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888
889 HERSI:
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892
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896 ... Its around the corner.
897
898 HERSI: Yeah, its exactly around the corner, so I dont give a
899 shit no more when internet people give me shit. But
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90() anyhow, so yeah, ah what was I gonna say to you?
901
902
I dont know. You said youll tell me in the car.
903
904 HERSI: So... yeah, yeah, what was I...
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905
906 Ah we were talking about Kenny,
907
908 HERSI: Oh yeah, no the guy... the guy I was telling you. See
909 how they... they... they cut off kind of their ah
910
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912
Okay yeah.
913
914 HERSI: And... And... (Unintelligible)...
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918 HERSI: Yeah bridges, for a future opportunities. You know
919 you dont wanna like leave those opportunities Like job
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920 opportunities in... in... in the future, right.
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922
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Mm hmm.
923
924 HERSI: So you dont wanna leave other opportunities open...
925 closed, right. Its wrong, right. You have to leave all
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926 the... all available doors for you, right.
927
J
928 But what does... Is there not concern of ah coming
929 back?
930
93 HERSI: What... Wh... de... if...
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932
933 Whats waiting for you.
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935 HERSI: .. .they say why...
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938
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941 Authority wise.
942
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944
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947 HERSI: No, theres no... its... theres no such problem
948
cause as long as you dont have like a mommy and
g
949 daddy saying why did my son go away, right.
950
951 Yeah.
952
953 HERSI: Cause these guys were a bit younger, right.
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1 956
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958
wanted to know where they were, right. If their
959
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965 HERS!: . . . right...
966
967 ...lna
968
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970
971 .. more beneficial position.
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c73 HERSI: In a better,.. Same with me hopefully, right, cause
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my mom once if I go to Egypt, if I get married or
975 whatever shell just say (Laughs) now youre an adult,
976 get away from me, right.
1
978 ERj You have your own...
1
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981 call me once... once a month, right. And Ill call her
982 once a week or whatever, right.
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984
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986 HERSI: Or well call on Skype and talk, right, you know.
987 (Laughs) Otherwise thats really it, you know what I
mean? Itll be pretty...
989
990 Youre twenty-five.
991
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992 HERSI: Yeah, Im twenty-five years old. Im not a baby no
993 more, right. These guys were not even.., they were
994 only twenty-two twenty-three when they left and thats
995 still supposed to be more responsible still, right. But
996 their parents were like why did you go? Right. Like if I
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998
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1000
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1001 HERSI: . . my mom wouldve been all over the news with it.
1002 She wouldve been like my son is missing. He was
1003 kidnapped by some (Unintelligible) (Laughs) you
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1005 been screwed. I could never come back, you know.
1006
1007 ...Yeah.
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1010 own man, right.
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1012 ASR: Patience.
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1014 HERSI: Yeah. And my mom doesnt care. Plus its also better
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cause now Im like if... if
1016 anybody asks me what were you doing here or there
1017 Ill be like look Im a twenty-five year old man, mind
) 1018 your business, right
1019
1020 I got married.
1021
1022 HERSI: Yeah, I. .1 got this and was trying to learn Arabic, its
1023 none of your business after that. As the KIu Klux Klan
1024
say they say I have nothing to say (Laughs) if you
1025 ever get stopped by Authorities. Thats what the Klu
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1026 Klux Klan say, you know. Theres fives words, I have
1027 nothing to say, thats it. Then they cant bug you
1028 cause you have to have proof, right, for anything.
1029
Then you just mind you own business, you know. So
1030 whenever you do anything youre... youre your own
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1031 man. Nobody can ask you what youre doing. lf you
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1033 marry...
1034
1035
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1036
1037 HERSI: . .. you wanna get... be polygamous, its none of your
038
business Ill tell them, you know. Nobody has any
rights
to know, no. Hey I... I... Im not breaking any
1040
Canadian law.
1041
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Worse they can do is say you cant come back, right.
1043
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044 HERSI: No, they cant do that. Thats against the law. Itll be
1045
against my...
1046
1047 . (Unintelligible)
1048
049 HERSI: ... constitutional right.
050
1051 . Yeah, cause of citzenship.
052
053 HERSI: Im a citizen. If I was one of those landed they could
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probably revoke me but 1 would say you cant revoke
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1055 my citizenship, you know. You know what I mean?
1056 And if they put you on a No Fly list you can fly
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1057 technically from say from ah... from ah... (Lip flapping
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1058 sound) from... as long as...
1059
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1060 Maritimes and youre...
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1062 HERSI: ... Maritimes, yeah.
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...not crossing...
1065
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1066 HERSI: Exactly. Remember?
1067
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1070 HERSI: So nobody can stop you, you know. And the only way
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1071
to get on one of those No Fly lists is if you do
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something really, really.. you know. You just dont
1073
allow to be... you... you cant be prominent, you know
1074 what I mean. You gotta be ah Mark Wahlberg-ing it,
1075
you know. (Laughs). You gotta just be like in and out,
1076
Ifl and out, quiet, you know.
1077
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1080 HERSI: ... I always pictured myself...
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1082 .. Dont win the Oscar. Just be...
1083
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1084 HERSI: ... I always...
1085
1086 (Laughs)
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1089 ah you know like a silent assassin, (Laughs) you
1090
know what I mean.
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1092 (Laughs)
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1094 HERSI; I dont know what Im trying to say here but you know.
1095
1096
Yeah.
1097
1098 HERSI: You gotta be quiet about everything, you know. But
1099 some of those people deserve to, you know, get... get
1100 what they,.. whats coming to them, you know. If you
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*AIlahs
peace and blessings
1102 be upon him,
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you deserve cer... a certain outcome,
1103 you know.
1104
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fl08 HERSI: Yeah she...
1109
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1111
112 HERSI: . . . Yeah, yeah, shes the one who put the... the...
1113
1114
Trying to tell everybody to do it,
1115
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.1117 Shes under... Shes under a life protection right now.
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1119 SE Ohyeah?
1120
121
HERSI: Constant surveillance everyday. Which is... Now her
1122 life is screwed for the rest of her life, you know.
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1127 you know.
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1130
1131 HERSI: ..,Theres...
1132
ASI Thats all. Im gonna leave...
1134
1135 HERSI: ...Theres...
1136
1137 it at that.
1138
1139 HERSI: Until the Day of Judgement she... she... as long as
1140 shes alive, somebody has to get her, and...
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1142 Da...
1143
1144
HERSI: .. Its not because shes a woman. In... Even...
1145 Remember... Did you ever listen to the tape by thing
1146 ah... ah Mister ah the article... ah the last article I
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1148
1149 ....That...
1150
1151 HERS!: ...who wrote it?
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1153 ..,That I just read? Yeah, yeah.
1154
1155 HERSI: (Laughs) That guy, right, if you ever re... read one of
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1156 his videos on... on... (Unintelligible) the dust will
1157 never settle, right.
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1160
1161 HERSI . ..lts a video, video.
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1163 I havent heard of t.
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1165 HERSI: Ill give itto you. So if you ever watch it, watch it.
1166 So....
1167
1168 ..Didtheyprob..
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1172 the probably took it down.
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1174 HERSI: ... he goes... he talks about it. No, they put it on and
1175 on, on and off, its like a... a constant battle. He has
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1177
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1181
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1183
184 1-IERSI: Yeah.
1185
1186 You can just upload it yourself.
1187
iiss HERSI: I can upload it tomorrow, you know, if I had it. I can
just keep on making new accounts and uploading it,
190 right. Upload thirty different ones, right. And then
191
Youtube is not (Unintelligible) unless somebody flags
1192 it and then they re-flag it. It just keeps on going up
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*Allah
1197 peace and blessings be upon
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it is as if... if... is
1198 if... insulted...
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All of Islam.
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...Yeah.
cause hes the one who delivered Islam, he causes
dissention.
Sunna.
Its like if you insult ah ah ah... If you insult my
mother, right, youre not gonna get away scott free,
right. But the Prophet is even more important than my
mother, should be more in theory, right.
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1217 what I mean.
1218
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1219 HERSI: Everyones...
1220
1221 ...Yeah.
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1223 HERSI: .. father. You cannot insult him ever, right.
1224
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1226
1227 HERSI: And if you do then that person certain deserves to get
1228 the worst punishment they can get in this life, right.
1229
So he says if a woman, man, yet child, doesnt
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1232
warrior, he found some guy who was doing that, he
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bring him to Mac... Ma... Med ma and he personally
1234 gave him (Laughs) a farewell heflo, right, goodbye,
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1237 A farewell (Unintelligible)
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1239 HERSI: One of the Crusaders said it, right. He was insulting
240 him, right, you know sending letters, saying bad stuff,
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1243 personally did itto the guy. He gave him a goodbye,
1244 right. And that guy is probably getting punished til this
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1245 very day in hellfire, right. Good for him, right. But
1246 anyhow its just right here on the right hand side.
1247
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1249
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1250 HERSI: Ill tell you this, man, dont... dont ah leave any books
1251 closed and... you know what I mean.
1252
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1253 I neverthought of it like that cause I knowyou
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1254 mentioned before dont close any books, dont close
1255 any chapters.
1256
1257 HERSI: Plus its probably better...
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1260
1261 HERSI: . . . cause you have the op... opportunity to come
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1265
1266 HERSI: Yeah cause your pops is not gonna be like wheres
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1270
1271
HERSI: Your pops doesnt really like, you know, doesnt follow
1272 you like a little kid does he?
1273
1274
No cause they told the.. they wanted me to come a
1275 long time ago but my stubbornness urn I only saw this
1276 world... this... this way of the world. At that time I
1277 didnt want to leave. This is the only thing I knew.
1278
1279 HERSI: You love Canada, right.
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1312 month.
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1315
1316 HERSI: ...When Im leaving Ill just give you the vest.
1317
1318 The... Is it like for running and stuff like that?
1319
1320
HERSI: For... For... Do when youre doing push ups, when
1321
youre jogging. Its heavy. You can take the weights
1322
out and adjust it. You can bring it down in weight or
1323 up to weight.,.
1324
1325
Yeah.
1326
1327 HERSI: ... by taking out things. Its like forty pounds. Itll... Itll
1328
give you a real workout.
1329
330 . .. Holy shit, yeah thats a lot of... thats of...
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332 HERSI: .. You can take it out and make it ten pounds, you
1333 can make it whatever, right.
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1338 okay.
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