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AHMED: Oh okay.
SORAT: So what, what changed his mind like *** like ***?
AHMED: He knows you ***. Well you know what he's got *** this is what I don't I
understand about. What. .. why does he do that? I mean why does he like
SORAT: I mean what can he ... for how many years ... three years?
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AHMED: Yeah, you know, Ferragamo What is this? *** December 8th at *** do you
SORAT: Those are your cousins. *** he says they're paying him like what 10
$15,000 a month.
AHMED: Yeah, he's been getting it. But you know the thing is the guy doesn't do
anything that's the problem. He just says KAREEM I. .. It's well worth it
SORAT: Yeah.
AHMED: Urn, I don't need PAUL to do ... talk to JERRY BROWN. I've got my own
SORAT: Uh-huh.
AHMED: And remember I have the state senator's daughter who works with him
AHMED: *** yeah. Yeah, state senator's daughter. And we're gonna ... I'm gonna
SORAT: Uh-huh.
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AHMED: ... in *** like the, the democratic *** you know the thing.
AHMED: Yeah, yeah, in Sacramento so it's, urn, my office but I'm not gonna go.
But NORMA and them they're gonna stay at her house, the senator's
house, and then next day they're gonna be with JERRY BROWN taking
pictures and ... They called us ... BRUCE, to ... they wanted him to be the
AB for workers comp and we said no I don't want you to be the AB* . So
AHMED: Give him the organic spinach salad . . . you want that?
AHMED: They have really good . . . organic spinach ... the one that I always have.
SORAT: Yeah.
UNKNOWN: Uh-huh.
AHMED: No I'm gonna have dessert man. Ijust had big lunch look at this I spilled
SORAT: Yeah.
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AHMED: Because I forgot that I had a meeting ...
AHMED: And then you know what I gonna take, uh, uh, ... You shouldn't have ...
Okay, everything is so good man. Urn, just give me, urn, ... hmm .... ay ay
ay ay ... and that will be maybe, you know, coming artichoke ...
SORAT: ***
AHMED: ... but they're fried. I just. .. Oh and they have ...
(SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY)
AHMED: The *** artichoke they're fried, the one they have . .. but it's really good
but no, uh, just give me some ice cream and berries, you know ...
AHMED: ***
SORAT: Yeah, he doesn't ... he doesn't eat like, uh, uh, uh, fried really ***ice
cream ...
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(LAUGHTER)
SORAT: Uh, give him some ice cream. That will make him chubby.
like pho.
SORAT: Yeah, but the problem is there is some much salt in it.
SORAT: That's, that's ... that's really good but it's like ...
SORAT: Yeah.
SORAT: Yeah.
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AHMED: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
AHMED: So it kinda fuckin' spilled over me but the girls made me do it so I just
SORAT: Oh.
AHMED: Is there?
AHMED: I have 70 doctors man that I can put on this thing but I don't know.
SORAT: ***
AHMED: How much *** what the code is.
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SORAT: No how much he told you, you gonna pay him?
SORAT: ***
AHMED: And I got to pay the lab. I'm gonna buy the receivable from them.
AHMED: I know we can buy from pharmacies but can we buy from labs? I don't
AHMED: Well that's I, I don't even know how bill man. I don't know anything.
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AHMED: Yeah, he wants 15 percent.
SORAT: ***
SORAT: Oh good.
(LAUGHTER)
AHMED: He says yeah ... He says plus he says he'll go to the lock box like if I set
up a lock box .. .
AHMED: Well you know *** ... so he go ... I'm like okay.
AHMED: And then he said MIKE JUNIOR ... he tells the news that MIKE JUNIOR
SORAT: ***
SORAT: Yeah.
AHMED: So ...
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SORAT: *** I know he's, uh, *** ... JERRY BROWN is up there ...
AHMED: Not only that I told, urn, BRUCE to call, uh, SENIOR. He did and told
him to put his attorney's up there because they had asked me, so I said no
I don't want BRUCE to leave I need him in the office. I said you put. .. so
AHMED: Urn, . ..
SORAT: ***
AHMED: Yeah.
SORAT: ***
don't know.
SORAT: Was gonna be ... you wanna work for the *** . ..
(SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY)
SORAT: ***?
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AHMED: Yeah. They offered BRUCE ... because this ELIZABETH *** who works
SORAT: Yeah.
AHMED: She's mad, and this senator she's there for 30 years. They respect her, they
SORAT: OhMCLEOD.
AHMED: She is well respected man. Very short like a short lady, you know, but
SORAT: Why he let MIKE DROBOT put his guy there ***?
AHMED : That's what I'm asking, give me a name I'll put that guy up cuz if. . .1 told
PAUL RANDALL yesterday, he's a piece of crap, you tell MIKE ifhe
SORAT: Why.
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AHMED: You know what he says, he says no MIKE Junior on the contrary ... he says
now that you offered this to us so, uh, he calls taking, uh, SENIOR there
to go see JERRY and they're gonna vote MIKE that guy in. I'm the one
who gave it to him because I didn't know any better. You know the guy
SORAT: That's, that's what's his name ... your biggest client they took it away from
you.
AHMED: Who?
AHMED: No, I don't want RANDY. Oh shit screw him I don't need him. I
dealt. . .let me tell you this guy is a crook. Him ... 1. .. uh, LIZA .. .
SORAT: Because he took ... because he, uh, working with DROBOT, no.
AHMED: Listen, I'm the one who let him go ... RANDY, I don't want his paper.
AHMED: *** that's why, otherwise DROBOT or NOLAN they cannot come and
get. . . I don 't want anyone to take my account ***. Because you know I
don't cheat man we, we ... black and white contract, you know, I do it
honestly but I don't want his paper. And the guy owes me a lot of
SORAT: Why?
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AHMED: Because ROBERT ... bullshit paper he gave me. Either I wanna fuckin'
money back I don't wanna go buy his paper. I'm not obligated to buy shit.
(SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY)
SORAT: How could ... how could you let him go away ...
SORAT: ***
SORAT: ***
AHMED: He's getting 30,40,000 between ***whatever . But it's okay I will sue his
ass.
SORAT: Because when he goes away MIKE gonna take over? He's gonna *** all
your doctors?
AHMED: *** PAUL told me this yesterday. He said MIKE JUNIOR's gonna go
after all your doctors. (LAUGHS) Like you son of a bitch I'm putting your
*** I, I put in it Sacramento. I'm the one did all the work. You are
SORAT: Uh .. .
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AHMED: ... you tell JUNIOR good luck. Tell him go ahead. He's got two million
dollars a month to spend go for it. That's how much it cost to stay in
SORAT: Why, why you do that? Don't work for. .. don't, don't give the doctor three
AHMED: I know.
(SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY)
SORAT: ***
AHMED: But like *** Apple and Apple keeps going up every day.
AHMED: I had ten thousand call options*** I made 180 million in Apple in app.
SORAT: No way.
AHMED: Yeah I paid 92 million in taxes, how do you like that so. But Apple just
AHMED: You should buy Apple too, man. Any pull back ... in 2015 it could be
(SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY)
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AHMED: Everybody.
AHMED: Yeah.
AHMED: Big *** ... big time going after my doctor. *** PAUL told me, he said
KAREEM you've ...
SORAT: Is he good.
AHMED: " .always been good to me I'm gonna tell you the truth.
AHMED: Of course you know how he ... he doesn't care *** work.
SORAT: ***
AHMED: Yeah, he is ... still is. He got *** ... what's his name is gone, urn, urn, the
guy what's his name, ART GARRET.
AHMED: Yeah.
(LAUGHTER)
SORAT: I don't...
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AHMED: Yeah, right now, yeah.
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SORAT: *** but PAUL had told me no ...
AHMED: Yeah.
SORAT: ... that's, that's, that's .. . that's the reason, not because ofme.
AHMED: Uh-huh.
AHMED: Probably, that's what everybody tells me too that PAUL did it, okay.
SORAT: But . . .
AHMED: PAUL's still doing ... he's giving me a guy in Tustin Hospital, MIKE
BARRI.
SORAT: Uh-huh.
AHMED: Oh, okay then I don't know, and he was thinking ...
SORAT: ***
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AHMED: Who are the owner. . .1 don't know.
AHMED: JIM YOUNG yeah, because JIM YOUNG was a fuckin' crook.
SORAT: Yeah.
AHMED: Right?
AHMED: So listen BATMAN, we need to go buy a hospital man, that's where the
money is .
AHMED: Huh?
SORAT: *** so are they gonna ... are they gonna pass the law for the implant or no?
AHMED: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I'm not jumping into it ...
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SORAT: ***
AHMED: ... *** I am crazy letting this *** run.
SORAT: MIKE told me ...
AHMED: Yeah.
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SORAT: ... 80 percent they took care of it. .. it won't pass.
AHMED: They need the California Medical Association, they need *** they need
*** to go against it for not. .. not to pass.
SORAT: ***
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AHMED: But those lobbyists if you call them, you know they're ... the lobby ...
SORAT: Yeah.
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SORAT: Uh, no *** ... thank you.
UNKNOWN: Okay. I'll be right back give you a little more water.
AHMED: Okay, please. Oh that's your. So you know BATMAN the thing is how do
we,um, ...
SORAT: Some ... somebody got to *** somebody has to get your. ..
UNKNOWN: Sure.
AHMED: Thanks.
AHMED: What?
SORAT: .. .1 know you did it cuz you're not dumb ... you're not dumb, dumb, dumb,
dumb.
SORAT: *** somebody told me ... some way you have to get your doctor not to
walk away from you that easy. You have to *** always ... you
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AHMED: Yeah, I have that. .. 1 have that. But here's the thing.
SORAT: ***
AHMED: There's so many doctors around ... who cares let him have that. The ones
SORAT: Uh-huh.
AHMED: ... there's no way there gonna trust JUNIOR. There's no fuckin' way I
don't care how much he offers them. And if offers them too much that's
AHMED: Well yeah because it's too much and he ... and he can't. ..
SORAT: They got put it because of the *** hospital bag, right?
AHMED: Uh-huh.
AHMED: Yeah. Yeah. That's what it is and that package is not. .. just not gonna cut
it.
SORAT: So the package he has like for CATANZARITE and those guys ...
AHMED: Uh-huh.
AHMED: Yeah.
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AHMED: Problem with *** and JEFF is .. .1 tell him. I said JEFF listen ...
AHMED: No. I wanted to but once I find out JUNIOR's working with him and
SORAT: Uh-huh.
CATANZARITE *** can Ijust keep that account.. .he asked me that. He
said KAREEM can you just stay away from this account? I go okay, he
said man I get a lot of money, it's like clockwork we work, we work it *go
home no problem. So I was in the middle of signing the deaL . . they have
SORAT: Uh-huh.
AHMED: ... okay. So JEFF wanted me to start with that and do it. So ... cuz I had ***
in my unit I. .. you know what I honored it. I stayed away I said no man I
can't afford it, I can't do it, da da da. He was gonna give me like 2,000
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AHMED: This is last year.
AHMED: Yeah ... no, him, AHMED ... they're still the bigger .. . ones.
SORAT: How could you survive with JOHN, JOHN, uh, .. .what's his name?
AHMED: Who?
SORAT: JOHN the guy just sold LARSON because 80 percent of his cases are just
bullshit.
AHMED: Applicant*** I don't work with him. I give it up. Only .. .well, only ***,
urn, ...
AHMED: No, no, I gave it up man, the only, uh, guy who maybe goes there is like a
ANGUIZOLA ***.
AHMED: *** applicant I know, I know .. .I know junk. Mm, but since then
ANGUIZOLA has some, you know, good paper elsewhere so you know
SORAT: Maybe.Oh.
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SORAT: What's his name *** uh, *** the guy from, uh, insurance company.
AHMED: Urn, it's on the email. He sends out an email the, urn, ...
SORAT: You hire him as his lawyer was it the guy ***?
AHMED: I know it. .. forget his name. I know who you're talking about it was in his
AHMED: Yeah, ***. Not *** ... um, WEINBERG ... (PAUSE @0:32:08 to 0:32:18)
Oh wow I can sue the pants out ofTRlNET *** there fuckin' good to
commit a fraud.
SORAT: Who?
AHMED: They never gave us EP Alliance agree, that stewardess without informing
us. KAREEM do you want sue the pants off them. (LAUGHS)
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SORAT: ... 60 percent.
AHMED: Okay.
AHMED: Okay.
SORAT: I'm not gonna give you everything because you mix it, you know?
AHMED: That's for little bit, yeah mix it yeah, that's good.
SORAT: Okay. *** I want *** price *** tell me the exactly ***
AHMED: I'll show you the contract, I'll show you the contract that MICHAEL gave
have it.
SORAT: How, how, how much you said, how much he give you 30, 30 grammers
for?
AHMED: I'll get the exact price, he's gonna come on Wednesday, that's we're
gonna discuss man, the pricing, he's coming so *** okay here, let me
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show you, he sent me this, I hope I have his email here *** the fuck am I
supposed to read all this, there's like 350 emails man. Okay MIKE, urn ...
SORAT: How much you pay what's her names daughter, more than the other guys?
SORAT: No, no I'm talking about the other *** congresswoman, it's same the price
as everybody or ***?
AHMED: Who? Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, the way you have to do it, I'll tell you. See
look, there's a law, you cannot give more than 3,900 dollars, okay?
SORAT: Uh-huh.
SORAT: Yeah.
SORAT: Yeah.
AHMED: No that's a law, I mean, that's a law. They'll tell you, they're, okay, you
cannot give directly to *** they have like a, like a finance department, like
SORAT: Uh-huh.
AHMED: So you call them and they'll send you an email. So you make 'em show
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that you send them, have them send you an email so got a record.
SORAT: ***
AHMED: *** they're saying that *** and they come to my office, they come, they
see all these 100 employees, whatever, and I tell 'em look, I'm creating
jobs, you better make sure this SB, you know, uh, AB2779 doesn't go
anywhere. So she calls, we beat the shit out of, you see what I did to the
CENTRAL.
AHMED: In Sacramento.
AHMED: The AB2779 man, it was gonna shut down compounds. Motherfucker, are
you sleeping?
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AHMED: *** they, I shut it down for this year in the sleeping pile, go, AB2779,
look it up, go to the website, look it up, look what I did to it, we, what we
did to it, we beat shit out of it. Labor was behind it and we, and the labor
SORAT: Uh-huh.
AHMED: .. .labor beat the crap out of SOLORIO's *** his attorney, his guy,
who introduced it, JOSE SOLORIO, okay? He's forty some years old.
AHMED : He, he does, *** insurance companies, they wanted to say you have to get
a pre-op on compound. I'm like fuck that. I told them, I said listen, you
You can put a fee schedule, we'll work with you. I got C***, I got
California Medical Association, I got all ofthem *** I'm like, F-U. And
AHMED: The *** you have to wait fucking years man *** you get money now.
AHMED: I'm doing it because I already have a cycle now, I'm a behemoth man, I
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SORAT: Why you told me ***
AHMED: I buy a lot of, I told you I buy, I *** you don't listen. You think I'm
SORAT: Come on. Yeah Walmart, this is, uh, Gucci fucker.
AHMED: You should see the Versace shoes Ijust got the other day, oh ...
AHMED: The black ones, the black ones. Yeah a dollar fifty. Hey BATMAN,***
AHMED: *** you should see the more I give to the ... Versace has good shoes, I
wonder if they know me, go MARTHA and the, the, the guy, what's his
name, urn, LONNY and then yeah, they all know me in South Coast for 19
you remember?
SORAT: I remember, I, I remember, I, I remember *** 10, 15, we went to, uh,
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Cartier, *** buy Cartier stuff, you didn't buy me anything fucker *** you
never, you never get me anything.
AHMED: Shit, yeah remember, no I got you, remember we helped on the BMW, the
red BMW.
AHMED: You *** 3,000 dollars man, you said give me 3,000 I gave you on, on
Bristol and Sunflower, I remember there was a bank there.
SORAT: *** you're supposed, you're supposed to give me like 15,000 dollars not
3,000 dollars ***
AHMED: Okay but I had to keep the 12. (LAUGHS) BATMAN, has it occurred to
you that I love you? Believe it or not, out of all, everybody in state of
California ...
SORAT: *** listen *** gave you, *** listen, listen, listen *** 30,000 dollars, how
much food ***
AHMED: Yeah I bought a lot of food.
AHMED: I know, I know, I, I know I do. I just always mess with you, you know?
Listen, you're the only guy I laugh so much and mess with and *** people
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can't understand that.
think about, other people would say oh SIROUS is this, SIROUS is that,
he ***. I used to fun, like oh yeah, he's like my driver, go ask him, just to,
like for fun so you would get a kick out of it, I mean, come ...
seriously man. And you know me, I always joke with you BATMAN ***
come on.
SORAT: *** my clients kept telling me, how long *** drove, uh, uh, KAREEM
*** like two years, three years.
AHMED: Oh my god, no man.
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SORAT: Okay thanks.
SORAT: Listen, I keep, I keep like almost 70 percent of those right away.
AHMED: Yeah because you know how they are BATMAN, they're not fucking
SORAT: ... and we do maybe I do like 10, 15 percent, uh, uh, what do you call it,
SORAT: But, but I got, I got, I get recommendation from a insurance company ...
AHMED: Yeah.
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SORAT: ... just show me doctors, who should I use to work with?
AHMED: Yeah.
SORAT: Because when they, they *** the doctor to me, then I go back to them, so I
AHMED: That's right, that, that's right, that's right, yeah see. Baby, only you can
SORAT: I got, I got, I got Foster Farms, I got GALLO Winery, I got all those guys.
AHMED: But those are huge, those are huge. That's what you want because that's a
defense, it's authorized work, you won't have to fucking deal with
*asshole applicants.
SORAT: I know, but, but *** but *** jealous, you do 10 million dollars a month, I
do nothing.
AHMED: No but you already have it, you already got it man, you fucking enough
AHMED: The guy in Chino Hills has how many millions of yours? He's always in
SORAT: No *** how much, I got almost, uh, 1.3, I *** all of it, he never gave me,
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that was a fight, they took all my, my, uh, uh, accounts and billed them
himself.
AHMED: No I'm not gonna tell him that, then I won't deal with him.
SORAT: But please, because *** but he's gonna pay me.
AHMED: Okay good, make sure he does BATMAN *** I'm not dealing with him.
SORAT: *** no he's gonna pay me because, because ...
AHMED: Because the only reason I'm letting him come to the office now is because
he told me all these good things about you and that everything's ...
SORAT: I, I put, I, I put *** almost *** I sold like a property in La Habra, I sold, I
put almost 3.7 million of cash money in my pocket. ***
AHMED: Holy shit.
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them all the time.
SORAT: No.
AHMED: 40 bucks, 120 bucks, 119 bucks, *** some of them will give me like
whatever I bill, like *** percent ***. No matter what I bill they, they pay,
100 percent. So that's why I have to bill like usual and customary like a
little higher, what the fee schedule is, right? But we settle for 10 cents on
the dollar, 20 cents on the dollar all the fucking time. I need to get ***
Wall Street *** IPO.
SORAT: *** That, that's what, uh, *** IPO, *** IPO, what are you talking about?
AHMED: I need one year and three more, three years of *** financials man.
SORAT: ***
AHMED: *** by December this year I'll have two years.
SORAT: Uh-huh.
AHMED: Then okay, first year I did 50 million, one year, right?
SORAT: Yeah.
AHMED: This year I'm gonna do 120 million. 2011, I'll do 200 million. Then in
three years I've done half a billion, they're gonna give me like a 30 to 70
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SORAT: No I'm talk what the, your AR is not that much.
AHMED: No but they don't, Wall Street doesn't care, that's where you miss the
point, nobody understands it, they look for values, they don't give a shit
even if you don't make a penny BATMAN, that's the point, nobody gets
this, they're stupid. I'm telling you they care about revenue, they don't
care what you make, what comes in, ten cents, they don't give a shit. If
you have revenue, that's what they want, sexy, 50 million, 100 million,
200 million a year, oh fuck, they want shares ofthat thing like there's no
tomorrow. They don't care if*** if shit doesn't come in. If there's
AHMED: I told you this, how many times I've told you this? I want to go public, I
want to build a hospital. You, BATMAN, you never listen because you're
always making these fucking gazillions so you don't give a shit, you're
girls whatever.
SORAT: No because, *** because, because the problem was I, I thought maybe ***
AHMED: It is, okay, well Amazon, you know how many fucking years they didn't
make a dime? Look where the god damn stock is. Look at fucking Netflix,
*** Priceline, 300, man, I, that's what I do, stocks. I take the money from
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there, I put ... how can you do 100 million a year business with no debt, no
Apples *** whatever the options I make, I put it right here and buy a shit
load of receivable, that's what I do. So ...
SORAT: ***
AHMED: Ten bucks, no, or Mexican peso.
receivable?
AHMED: Yeah I know you do because your name was in the ...
AHMED: I know you have more than me, you're king, I'm just a little prince.
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AHMED: But one more year I'll catch up.
SORAT: *** I *** I *** 2, almost 200 million, you, you passed it.
AHMED: I know. No I haven't passed it yet but you were passed it. But BATMAN
SORAT: ***
AHMED: Listen, but when we get this big, That's where DOl *** all these people ...
SORAT: Uh-huh.
AHMED: ***
SORAT: You know how much I do right now?
SORAT: Yeah.
AHMED: Okay so they're biggest people that they hate the most in California ...
SORAT: Uh-huh.
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l
SORAT: Yeah.
AHMED: But you think, you think I give a shit? No because you and I, what do we
do? We create liquidity in the system, we buy the paper and we help the
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poor *** people stay alive, right? And then we bill and collect, what's the
problem?
Verdes.
SORAT: Yeah.
AHMED: He's got a fucking huge mansion, he's diamond merchant, you know?
SORAT: Yeah.
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SORAT: ***
AHMED: I'll let you know how it's gonna be done.
SORAT: Okay.
AHMED: Huh?
AHMED: *** I love you ***. Thank you. *** BATMAN ***
KARIS SA: Oh.
KARISSA: ***
AHMED : Yeah, yeah *** blame it on me. BATMAN ...
SORAT: So when you gonna come?
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AHMED: Uh, let's do it, uh, couple weeks? ***
SORAT: *** weekend.
AHMED: On the weekend *** Saturday, Sunday, yeah?
SORAT: ***
AHMED: *** I wanna come ***
SORAT: ***
AHMED: We could do it on a Sunday if you want, or Saturday, whatever works for
AHMED: Yeah it'll be good man, we could sit down, you know, and just *** cup of
tea and just, you know, chill and just have a good talk, you know? Alright
bro, I love you, just remember what I told you at the end.
SORAT: Alright.
AHMED: We're loved, we're the two people loved so just, you know, watch it,
okay?
AHMED: ***
SORAT: The whole thing, my whole thing worth about 15 dollars.
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AHMED: Yeah right.
SORAT: Not even is, uh, what is that? One of his, uh, halfofhis shoes.
(PAUSES 01:15:31-01:22:25)
hours, I have taken the recorder from our cooperating witness and I will be
evidence.
[END OF INTERVIEW]
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