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Pressure Vessel Shell to Elliptical Weld Head Joint

10/19/2011 1:30 AM

Dear All
In ASME pressure vessels,
A Shell of (40mm thk) & a head of (20mm thk) (2:1 elliptical) can be joined as per Fig UW 13.1 by adding additional weld
material in heads???
Code - ASME Sec VIII Div 1
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A difference in thickness of 20mm is acceptable or not? is there any limitations?

Please advise
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#4 "Re: Pressure Vessel Shell to Elliptical Weld Head Joint" by blackpanic73 on 10/19/2011 1:10 PM (score 1)

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Re: Pressure vessel Shell to Elliptical weld head joint

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10/19/2011 1:50 AM

That sounds virtually impossible. Please review the shell and head calculations.
I'm not sure, but as I recall, the allowable thickness difference is much less than that. (1/16" or 1.5mm?)
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Re: Pressure Vessel Shell to Elliptical Weld Head Joint

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10/19/2011 7:45 AM

Wajeeb,
In ASME VII, where two components of unequal thicknesses are joined, there is usually a taper machined into the
thicker component. Then a standard full penetration weld is made to join the two components
In the USA, elliptical heads are usually ordered with a "straight flange" (SF) to facilitate the weld
(www.brightontrueedge.com) to the shell.
With a proper ASME Code sizing of components, most pressure vessels have equal thicknesses of elliptical heads and
shells.(i.e. this problem will not exist) I do not understand why you are trying some kind of bizarre third-world solution
on an issue that should not exist.
Please explain....Is your shell too thick for the design pressure expected or have you miscalculated the head thickness ?
Is this the first vessel you have ever designed ?

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Re: Pressure Vessel Shell to Elliptical Weld Head Joint

10/19/2011 10:50 AM

Acceptable if your calculations are right, which is not probable in case of ellipsoidal heads.
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Re: Pressure Vessel Shell to Elliptical Weld Head Joint

10/19/2011 1:10 PM

Dear wijeesh
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The maximum allowable change in thicknesses between shell and head is one-fourth of the thickness of the thinner
section - head thickness - in this case .
In Your Case the change in thicknesses exceed this limit, so it is not allowable to weld thickness 40 mm to thickness 20
mm.
Note: the thickness of the head must equal to the thickness of head at the same design pressure if you used ellipsoidal
head (2:1). But if you used semi - spherical head the thickness of semi spherical head in this case will equal to 1/2
thickness of the shell from the thickness calculations, then you must increase the head thickness to achieve the
allowable limit of change of thickness to weld it to gather by using tapered transition.
Remember that :
- FIG. UW-13.1 a,b,c,d & e used for end heads when the thickness of the shell section of the vessel does not exceed
58 in. (16 mm).
- FIG. UW-13.1 f,g & h are examples of attachment methods which are not permissible.
- FIG. UW-13.1 j & k shall be provided at joints between formed heads and shells that differ in thickness by more than
one-fourth the thickness of the thinner section or by more than 18 in. (3 mm), whichever is less.
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Re: Pressure Vessel Shell to Elliptical Weld Head Joint

10/20/2011 12:12 AM

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Dear blackpanic73 sir,

In your reply it is mentioned : "The maximum allowable change in thicknesses between shell and head is one-fourth of
the thickness of the thinner section - head thickness - in this case ."
I am not able to understand why you say " the maximum allowable" ?

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the purpose of the code in providing taper is to have uniform fusion along the width of weld and to have less amount
of discontinuity stresses.
also the statement in Code : " A tapered transition having a length not less than three times the offset between the
adjacent surfaces of abutting sections as shown in Fig. UW-13.1 sketches (j) and (k) shall be provided at joints
between formed heads and shells that differ in thickness by more than one-fourth the thickness of the thinner section
or by more than 18 in. (3 mm), whichever is less."
when code mentions whichever is less, it tries to have taper at the min possible difference between 2 joining parts.
Please correct.
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Re: Pressure Vessel Shell to Elliptical Weld Head Joint

10/21/2011 11:56 PM

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Dear blackpanic73 sir,

I request you to please elaborate on your post.
Sorry for any rudeness in my earlier comment.
Regards
ASD23789.

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Re: Pressure Vessel Shell to Elliptical Weld Head Joint

10/22/2011 12:00 AM

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Dear blackpanic73 sir,

Please help regarding your comment.
Sorry for any rudeness.
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