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Theory of Equations..
by Total Gadha - Saturday, 3 March 2007, 03:06 PM
the equation has no negative root. Hence, the equation 6x 11x3 + 5x2 - 2x + 1 = 0 has no negative root
If the equation contains only even powers of x and the
coefficients are all of the same sign, the equation has no real
root. Hence, the equation 4x4 + 5x2 + 2 = 0 has no real root.
If the equation contains only odd powers of x, and the
coefficients are all of the same sign, the equation has no real
root except x = 0. Hence, the equation 5x5 + 4x3 + x = 0 has
only one real root at x = 0.
Descartes' Rule of Signs : An equation f(x) = 0 cannot have
more positive roots than there are changes of sign in f(x), and
cannot have more negative roots than there changes of sign in
f( - x). Thus the equation x4 + 7x3 - 4x2 - x - 7 = 0 has one
positive root because there is only change in sign. f( - x) = x4 7x3 - 4x2 + x - 7 = 0 hence the number of negative real roots will
be either 1 or 3.
EXAMPLES:
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students. I shall cover some problems based on this in the CBT
Club this week.
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hi
In eg 5 above, shouldnt the answer be all of these instead of
none of these?
Descartes Rule of Signs : An equation f(x) = 0 cannot
have more positive roots than there are changes of sign in f(x),
and cannot have more negative roots than there changes of
sign in f( - x). Thus the equation x4 + 7x3 4x2 x 7 = 0
has one positive root because there is only change in sign. f( x) = x4 7x3 4x2 + x 7 = 0 hence the number of
negative real roots will be either 1 or 3.
why cant the number of negative roots be 2 also?
thanks
@ shruti,
Since the degree of the equation is 4, it has to have 4 roots
either real or imaginary. Since only one root can be positive at the
max, the other three can either be
i) all negative and real
OR
ii) one negative and real and the other two imaginary, since
imaginary roots always exist in pairs.
So there cant be 2 negative 'real' roots alone. The word real is very
important here. Hope you got it.
TG ,
Your article says ...the sum of roots for the eq .
hey tg
in example 2 shouldnt d answer be 5 .....
btw d article is amazing...
Hi Richa,
I think both the answers of example #2 - 2 as the sum of the
squares of the roots and 11 as the sum of the cubes of the roots are
correct. TG has already explained it. You probably missed
something while calculating/substituting the values. It's fairly simple
and without skipping few redundant steps, the solution may look like
this:
Given equation: x3 - 2x2 + x - 3 = 0. Let a, b, c are the roots of this
equation.
So, a + b + c = - (-2/1) = 2 (using the formula -a1/a0)
ab + bc + ca = 1/1 = 1
(using the formula a2/a0)
Now, (a + b + c)2 = a2 + b2 + c 2 + 2 (ab + bc+ ca)
=> a2 + b2 + c 2 = (a + b + c)2 - 2 (ab + bc + ca)
=> a2 + b2 + c 2 = 4 - 2 = 2 (sum of the squares of the roots)
Now, substituting the roots in the original equation, we get three
equations:
a3 - 2a2 + a - 3 = 0 ... (i)
b3 - 2b2 + b - 3 = 0 ... (ii)
c 3 - 2b2 + c - 3 = 0 ... (iii)
Adding these three equations, we get
(a3 + b3 + c 3) - 2(a2 + b2 + c 2) + (a + b + c) - (3 + 3 + 3) = 0
=> (a3 + b3 + c 3) - 2 * 2 + 2 - 9 = 0
=> a3 + b3 + c 3 - 11 = 0
=> a3 + b3 + c 3 = 11 (sum of the cubes of the roots)
~Vijay
hello sir,
Hi Richa,
In question 6, we first cancel (x - 1) from both the sides and then put
x = 1. Of course, for x = 1, the division isn't defined. After getting the
term canceled out from both the sides, the equation reduces to (x a)(x - b)(x -c)... = (x9 + x8 + ... + 1). Now, we can easily put x = 1 to
get the required value as it's a equation in x and for x = 1, we can
always find some a, b, c, ... , such that (1 - a)(1 - b)(1 - c)... = 10.
The confusion is probably because we are using 1 in both the steps
- canceling (x - 1) and putting x = 1. But, these two are independent
of each other. Had it been (2 - a)(2 - b)..., we would have simply put
x = 2 to get the required value.
~Vijay
Theory of Equations..
by himali agarwal - Friday, 19 October 2007, 05:53 PM
Hi TG
when it is written that maximum no of negative roots is equal to the
change in sign of f(-x), then in the e.g. given, why are we considering
1 or 3 number of negative roots. It should be 1 or 2. Even if we say
that it would be having a pair of complex roots, the we should write 1
only as the number of negative roots as 2 or 3 roots cannot be
possible. Please explain?
(a+b+c)^2=a^2(1/p(p-1))^2
diff of roots for quadratic eq b^2 -4ac =a^2(1/p(p-1))^2
x= -b +(b^2 -4ac )^0.5 /2a
one cannot just "cancel" x-1, when x is being put as 1 later in the
question, as that is an undefined operation.... a better way to look at
it is....
(x10-1)/(x-1) is nothing but the sum of the geometric series
(1+x+x2+.....till x9)
so we don't cancel. Rather we change its form.
Hi Vijay !!
Thank you for the clarification, at first I didn't understand the main
solution, you made it easy when you added all the roots to get cubes
summatino. Thanks again....
Ankur Bhatt
hello TG,
The point raised about substituting the value of x=1 is a valid one ....
e.g if we have an equation F(x) . (x-1) = G(x) . (x-1)
(just to remind my friends, we actually dividing both the equations
with (x-1) to get the simplified version which isn't valid for x=1
because division by Zero is not allowed)
we can conclude that F(x) = G(x) when x != 1
so we can't say that F(1) = G(1) ...
To make this point more lucid, consider the functions:
F(x) = 1 when x!=1
= 0 when x=1
G(x) = 1 for all values of x
Now the equation F(x) . (x-1) = G(x) . (x-1) holds for all values of x
but surely we can't get the value of F(1) from G(1)
waiting for your reply
Hi TG sir,
excellent article....
Hoping same for graph theory..Please come up with it.
Thanks a lot!
Hi TG and others,
For example No:4, isn't the answer is none of these. Since the
equation, f(x) must have to be equalled to zero at x=any of the
roots.
i.e f(x)=0 at x=a,b,c if the f(x) is of degree 3, where a,b,c are the
roots of the equation f(x).
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Thanks
Jegathiesh.P
Hi Guru,
Assume some values for p, take p=5. So the roots are 5/4 and 6/5.
With the roots, frame the equation. (x-5/4)(x-6/5), you will get the
equation as, 20x 2 - 49x+30=0 where a=20, b=-49 and c=30. So
(a+b+c)^2 would be (20-49+30)^2=1. Also, try b^2-4ac=(-49)^2(4x30x20)=2401-2400=1. Hence, the answer should be b^2-4ac.
Let me know if any concerns.
Regards,
Jegathiesh.P
hi tg,
i m posting this question here since i could not understand how u
expanded (1 - x)-4 in the equation (1 - x9)(1 - x30 - 3x10 + 3x20)(1 x)-4 to get the co-efficient of x11. this seems to be related to this
topic, hence posting here
hi nice smile..
i hv jst joind tg..Can u write original post...i thnk i cn help u..ds is my
interest area..
to get the place where this discussion was done please refer the
last few posts in the Groupings and distributions chapter.
I have one doubt here.
i think the answer option for question number 4 should be "all of
these", since none among a, b and c are the roots of the equation
2/3,1/6,1/3 are positive so all of these are not the roots of the
equation. so the answer should be all of these since the question
asks which of the following are not the roots of the equation.
I know that this was the first question in this thread, but still asking
this since there was no reply for this.
Please correct me if my understanding is wrong.
what is
???????
hello everyone
how many sign changes are there in
x3+x2-4x+4=0{x3=x raised to the power 3}
one or two
one from +ve to -ve and 2nd from -ve to +ve?
answer 1
as no. of sign changes on f(-x) is 1
Hello friends,
is the question right ...494 instead of 496 will solve the problem
Hi TG!
Plz help me in solvin d followin question...
The maximum possible value of x^2 + 4y^2 + 9z^2, subject to
x+2y+3z=12, where x,y,z are real numbers, is
A. 48 B.224 C.240 D.140 E.Infinite
Hi TG Sir !!,
Another great fan of yours. hats off to you for your tremendous
effort. It would really help to hear some of your enlightenments on
PROBABILITY
hi netra
i guess u it shud be mentioned here that x,y,z are positive real
numbers
otherwise its a futile question
if my guess is right,then the answer is 48
if not......i wud guess "infinite"
regards
aashish
awwwweeeeeeesome
In the last question, u cancelled (x-1) from both sides which in fact is
0. Isn't this wrong?
can someone plz answer these questions:Q1) If the roots of equation x^3 - a.x^2 + b.x - c = 0 are three
consecutive integers, then what is the smallest possible value of
b??
Q2) If the equation x^3 - a.x^2 + b.x - a = 0 has 3 real roots, then it
must be the case that
1) b = 1
2) b not= 1
3) a = 1
4) a not= 1
Hi Sonnel
1. Let's say three consecutive integral roots are - 1, and
+ 1, then b = ( - 1) + ( + 1) + ( - 1)( + 1) = 3 - 1 where is
an integer.
So minimum value of b = -1 when = 0.
2. If b = 1, then equation becomes x - ax + x - a = (x + 1)(x - a) = 0
i.e. all the three roots can't be real.
That ensures that b should not be equal to 1.
Kamal Lohia
thnx alot