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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Josh, you there?
JOSH BASKIN:
sir.
Yes,
MALE PARTICIPANT:
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Good.
How are you
doing?
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How are you?
JOSH BASKIN:
Good.
I wasn't sure you
were checking your email.
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
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JOSH BASKIN:
I wasn't.
Okay,
please do.
The
forardedou a message from, that he
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Chairman
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received
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the explosion.
sking for an update on
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
JOSH BASKIN:
Okay.
He has information.
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understand Embassy Tokyo is
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outer structure damage,
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Chairman requested that we provide information to
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the group on the email if
NRC on the ground.

So,
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if
anything more,
necessary,
so the
and the
especially from
we have anything from Jim or Tony
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that is,
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then you can email that group.
And it
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it
So,
is
you know,
(inaudible) NISA,
more specific or more confirmed,
a very high-level group.
is
a pretty,
you know, we
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yeah.
Chairman wants us to respond to that emai1
copy him?
JOSH BASKIN:
Yeah.
It
message to you from him says, if
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provide to this group if
NRC on the ground.
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So the
looks like the
we get info, please
necessary, especially from
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yeah, we have that
MALE PARTICIPANT:
We did get
information.
1
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information back from Tony and crew,
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confirm that containment has not been damaged.
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JOSH BASKIN:
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
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Okay.
We just got the
message.
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so we can
MS.
to the --
JACOBS:
Do you want me to send it
oh, you got it?
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
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JOSH BASKIN:
Yep,
I got it.
I mean, I don't know if
it's
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Embassy Tokyo citing NISA,1" so, you know, I,
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probably your judgment call about whether that, you
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know,
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there, noted is,
new because it
says,
"I understand from the
the fact we also know that Jim's,

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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yeah, my instinct
would be to respond and to confirm because we have
separate confirmation that containment's intact.

Okay.
JOSH BASKIN:
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Edano,
Okay, you do.

We also have Yukio
the chief cabinet secretary,
on Japanese
television saying that containment was not damaged

but the levels of radiation did increase from 15 to
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20 mSv/hr.
JOSH BASKIN:
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Well, yeah, I think
Okay.
we have independent
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the value-added is
if
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confirmation from our folks, so, you know,
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they're just passing on what they're seeing on the
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news,
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same thing on.
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information that we can add to their understanding
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of that,
then the Embassy is going to be passing on the

But if
like I said, it's
a very high-level group.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
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JOSH BASKIN:
you,
sir.
if we have specific
we have,
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if
Understood.
Okay.
Okay.
All right, great.
Thank
I appreciate it.
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
JEFF GRANT:
the room.
Mike just stepped out of
So I think he's back there with the PMT.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
JEFF:
Good morning.
Okay.
Did you want us to do some
briefing or?
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
No.
No,
Jeff,
it
was
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just to take the opportunity, and I'm thinking about
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things and coming in.
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or whatever,
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If
there were to be any calls
I was going to just just listen in.

MALE PARTICIPANT:
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first
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Chairman's going to be --
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--
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committee at
the
and the
Mike's got our list
here
the Chairman's going to be briefing the deputies

7:30,
and --
JEFF:
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
At eight.
I'm sorry.
8:30;
right?
JEFF:
MALE PARTICIPANT:
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And then --
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the calls,
calls that we have are at 7:30,
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The,
Eight.
oh,
I'm sorry.
briefing the Chairman at 7:30

MIKE WEBER:
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Okay.
We're
--
Seven-thirty.
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
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--
in
here in
preparation for his, for his deputies call at eight.

Right?
MIKE WEBER:
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Right.
--
and then we're
doing a CA brief probably in the other room, in the
back room, that I will be doing.

And other than that, we're going to do
an eight o'clock HOO events brief and then that's
going to be expanded,
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talking about yesterday --
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heard about that --
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the like in,
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more of the details of what's been going on over the
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weekend.
like Bill Borchardt was

I think you might have
and get the office directors and
and so just to discuss a little
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Okay.
bit
The --
What's that?
I heard on the news
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this morning there was a second explosion last
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night.
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yeah, the Unit 3
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containment,
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what Unit 1 did, only with a little
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and flair but same results.
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top off, you know,
secondary containment,
basically did
bit more force
You know, it
blew the
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and, and, and did a little
bit more structural damage.
still
bit of damage,
a little
But containment is
intact.
MIKE WEBER:
And Japanese authorities
are now talking about the possibility of that
occurring for Unit 2.
bit there twice, they're now thinking, well,

get a little
I think, since they've been
more forward-leaning on this.

BRIAN McDERMOTT:
MIKE WEBER:
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let's
Right.
Hopefully, that way, we'll
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not surprise people should it
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
happen.
So that's the,
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probably since you left, the most significant thing
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is that we got reports that they're not able to
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inject sea water into the any of the Units of 1, 2,
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or 3 over the last few hours and so they're starting
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to worry about Unit --
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Twelve-hour interval;
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yeah.
right?
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
12s.
Yeah,
at the
Yep.
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And so they're starting to worry about,
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that Unit 2 is going to follow the same path that 1
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and 3 did.
MIKE WEBER:
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But now they've lost the
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
MIKE WEBER:
MALE PARTICIPANT:
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
MIKE WEBER:
--
Inject sea water.
inject sea water.
Right.
Okay.
Hey, we did actually get
some real data from Tony and Jim that the PMT's
working with in
terms of dose
MALE PARTICIPANT:
--
Dose rate
measurements.
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MIKE WEBER:
--. measuring points around
the site, but they're all upwind, which you would

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expect because they don't have people out in the
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water.
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
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MIKE WEBER:
Right.
And they seemed to suggest
that potentially that, cases where they vented

caused by shine, so you see dose rates up to about a
What was it?
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hour?
MALE PARTICIPANT:
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About 100 millirem per
Yeah.
But weren't
those spikes when they were venting?
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Yes.
Yep.
The venting they've
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torus?
MALE PARTICIPANT:
I don't think we know
exactly how they're, how they're venting it.

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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
activity,
I would think --
It
But --
could be the, the
you know,
they're talking
about, what is
the knockdown you get by going through the torus
water, so, if
It's
a hundred or a thousand,
they're directly hitting the dry well.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
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it?
would preferential if
Yeah, it
they were,
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MIKE WEBER:
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
MALE PARTICIPANT:
if
would be,
it
they doing that.
But we don't know.

Right.
Right.
One of the things --
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I was looking at the flow path, and if you look at
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if
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what's it
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the standby gas treatment system isn't running?
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it,
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system just backs up against the filter
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don't have the fans running.
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Well,
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reactor building.
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going to leak out there, and that may be why you're
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seeing the explosions.
you don't vent, you know, and so what's it,
so it
going to do if
you build up pressure and

So
comes out of the standby gas treatment

because you
those filters are sitting in the

So, if
that happens,
it's
just
I'm not, I'm not sure.
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they have a hardened vent path like we've had put in
in our reactors.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Right.
Okay, well,
wasn't calling to distract you guys.
the opportunity to, to listen while I was riding and
thinking.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
if
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you were riding your bike.
you if
you, if
I,
I probably
Oh, okay, while
you're driving and thinking.

MIKE WEBER:
Okay.
Do you want us to leave you
up on the bridge?
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
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No.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
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you were on that.
should be, but I'm driving.
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I was wondering
I was going to ask
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
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Yeah,
I was taking
Yeah,
"Fukushima Nuclear
Plant developed new problems."
Breaking news.
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(Television broadcast:)
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NEWSCASTER:
if you would.
. There have been
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concerns.
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area.
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been told from the safety agency or the agency
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that's in charge of nuclear systems there in the
But especially for those living in the
They don't seem to believe what they have
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MATTHEW CHANCE,
CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL
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which people in Japan have believed that their
nuclear officials in the past have misrepresented
the situation with other nuclear accidents, and so
there's a bit of suspicion lingering,
we're hearing, about the sort of veracity of the
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Well,
I think there's an extent to
from what
information that they're coming out with now.

And so what I've been doing is
1
12
monitoring the, the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog,
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IAEA, which is based in Vienna,
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from that location in Japan.
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people on the ground.
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experts as well that verify or try to verify the
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information coming through to them from the Japanese
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officials on the ground.
It's
the
obviously a distance
But it
does have
got its own team of
They're not necessarily the quickest
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20
means of gathering the news but the information they
do collect has been verified by their experts.
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They've not mentioned this latest problem with the
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number 2 reactor.
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information, though, about reactor number 3 in
Fukushima.
They have given us more
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There was an explosion at about 11:00 in
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2
the morning local time in Japan according to the
IAEA.
They think it
was caused by a buildup of
hydrogen gas in the reactor building.
But the
agency confirms that the primary containment vessel,

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as it's
nuclear fuel rods are stored
that explosion.
called --
It
it's
the area where the actual

--
does say, though,
was not damaged in
that six people
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were injured as a result of that blast.
course,
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area, the exclusion zone around the area, around the
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plant in Japan in general,
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problems of contamination from all these problems
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stemming from the various nuclear reactors that are
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having problems.
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Now, of
there's been a lot of concern around the
of course,
about the
What the IAEA says at this point is that
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they've taken measurements from various points
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around the Fukushima plant at the moment,
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they're concurring with Japanese officials saying
that the radiation levels are at this point somewhat
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normal.
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RAJPAL:
and
They are comparing that the
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state of this accident there at Fukushima is one of
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Of course,
it's
difficult at this point to
compare those two in terms of how bad it
is.
But are you seeing any similarities from
what you've studied when it
Ukraine?
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there are big differences,
SJI'm
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comes to Chernobyl in
Well,
I think there,
clearly.
not a nuclear expert, but one of the

characteristics of the Chernobyl disaster back in
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1986 --
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is the anniversary,
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explosion at Chernobyl --
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enormous explosion that did take place in the, in
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the building, but it
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the radioactive material,
radioactive material were spilled out in a big black
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plume of smoke and it
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western and eastern Europe,
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know, contaminating radioactive material all over
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this very highly populated area of western and
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eastern Europe.
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in
fact, nearly 25 years it
was; next month
25th anniversary of the

was that there was this
was in the reactor core.
Now,
literally big chunks of
was carried all over the

you know, carrying, you
That has not happened in Japan.
The
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reactors have been essentially shut down.
They're
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not in danger, it
devastating explosions that affected Chernobyl.
seems, of the kind of, you know,

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there is this -- you know, you do have to keep
cooling the reactor cores.
along, that's where the problems have been stemming
from.
We've been reporting all
And when they failed to do that, there
would have been, the fuel rods had been exposed to
the air, that's when we're seeing these limited
releases of radiation.
pretty clear that it's
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not on the same scale as the
Chernobyl explosion 25 years ago.
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But at this point, it's
RAJPAL: Matthew Chance in Moscow,
thank
you for that.
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More than 15,000 people have been
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rescued so far in this disaster.
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and assistance teams from the US arrived in Japan on
Sunday.
Numerous rescue
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(Television broadcast concluded.)
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
there?
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
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Brian, are you still
Yeah, Mike.
I was,
was just on mute.

MIKE WEBER:
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Okay.
Neil called to our
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attention, the *New York Times this morning's
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headline is
nuclear risks loom".
"Japan reels as the toll rises and

The by-line is
"another
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explosion".
They also have on their website an
interactive graphic that actually shows you
Fukushima Daiichi units, and then there's a cutaway
so that you can see, you know,
what's going on inside the reactors.
well done.
8The
9
in cartoon form
It's
really
positive thing with that is
it
does
put some context around the explosion and the
10
framework that you still
building, so hopefully, people, if
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to that, will look at that graphic and realize,
13
okay, it's
14
&
see on top of the reactor
not as bad as it
they're tuned in
may look on the outside.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
I,
I was checking --
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before I went to bed last night, I was looking at
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web VOC and I saw the meeting was, with the Japanese
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regulator, was postponed.
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better information from them, from our people?
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MIKE WEBER:
Did we ever get any
What happened was the
20
(inaudible) situation, the individual with whom our
21
folks were going to meet was called away for a
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meeting with the prime minister.
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going to put it
24
what happened is Jim and Tony needed to get some
25
shut-eye.
off and do it
And so they were
later and then I think
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MIKE WEBER:
Yeah.
And so about now is
they're going to bed.
then they'll get back up and resume their
operations.
They'll be down for a while,
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
MIKE WEBER:
where
Okay.
So as best we know, it
wasn't any intent to not do give us access to the

information but it
was just --
prime minister calls, it's
12
officials respond.
12
obviously,
when the
important that Japanese
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Yes.
Any more
13
insights about what they were doing to try to cool
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the cores coming out of having our guys there?

MALE PARTICIPANT:
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It's,
it's
not been,
it's
17
path.
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know,
19
filling ponds with seawater and then sucking the
20
seawater out some sort of a fire hose or fire
21
pump-type device and bumping into the core with
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that.
23
do that because the ponds that they've been sucking
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it
25
and Unit 3.
still
not been very, a very good information
What we hear is they're, they were using, you

low-pressure sea water.
They were,
they were
And recently, they've lost the capability to
out of are emptying.
And so that was on Unit 1
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haven't had cooling for several hours.

2
And on Unit 2,
it
was the RCC-I issue
where they can't keep RCC-I running.
because it's
decreased and then it
couldn't restarted, or some reason, but they can't
get a low-pressure system running on RCC-I.
(audio interference) pressure,
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9
So it's
either
it
was
stopped running and they
But I also heard that they had issues

with, you know,
the water supply there too.
And the
10
only positive note out of all that was that Jim and
11
Tony were able to gain the perspective that cores
12
were covered.
13
that it's
just not boiling it
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
low enough
off all that fast.

The cores are covered
on all three units, Chris?
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So maybe decay heat is
CHRIS MILLER:
told.
Yeah, that's what we were
That's was we've heard.

BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Well,
CHRIS MILLER:
is good news.
MIKE WEBER:
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that's good
news.
It
Yeah, but levels are
decreasing.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
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But yesterday, we went
24
through the good part of the day thinking that, that
25
Unit 1 was,
and Unit 3,
were,
were, you know,
about
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CHRIS MILLER:
MIKE WEBER:
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
MIKE WEBER:
Yeah.
And they probably were.
Right.
But somehow, with the
injection of the sea water, they were able to

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restore the water levels above the active fuel.
for how long, we don't know.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Right.
Right.
But
It
10
sounds like they,
11
operate an SRV and depressurize and try to keep it
down long enough so fire truck-type pumps could
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water in.
so their (inaudible) was to
14
CHRIS MILLER:
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MIKE WEBER:
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CHRIS MILLER:
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what they did.
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to run, you know,
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did the depressurization.
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Unit 1, it
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fairly quickly.
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Yeah,
I think that --
For Units 1 and 3.

Yeah,
I think that is
I'm not sure how much they were able

the HPCC-I and RCC-I before they
But I know, at least on
looked like they must have just used ABS
But, you know,
we've heard reports of
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anything from, you know, I don't think that there's
24
any core damage,
25
there's numbers going around but really none of
to, 55-percent core damage.
And
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Sure.
Anything
on any of the other units, other locations?
MIKE WEBER:
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
MIKE WEBER:
Sure.
The Daini units?

Yeah,
or Onagawa.
On Daiini, the word was
that they have AC power but they lost their ultimate
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heat sink, so those remain stable but remain, you
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know, under watch.
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The Onagawa Unit, we've had reports that
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the radiation levels have decreased, but the mystery
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there is,
15
first place?
well, what caused them to increase in the
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
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MIKE WEBER:
Right.
And so, while the levels
have returned to normal, the question is what aren't
we aware of that warranted the attention to those
units?
There was some Tokai.
sensitivity to Tokai because it's
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to Tokyo.
24
that had problems yesterday.
25
reporting,
There's some
the nearest unit
But as best we can tell, they had a pump

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they were able to work around that pump

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and restore cooling.
have on Tokai is that it's
So the current status that we

stable.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
MIKE WEBER:
All right.
We have three status
screens up now across our front wall for the
Daiichi,
the Daiini and the Onagawa units.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
MIKE WEBER:
about the,
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Yes.
Do you want to tell Brian
the knock?
MALE PARTICIPANT:
(Inaudible) didn't
11
know what that document was.
12
suggested that we've got some official
13
MIKE WEBER:
The (inaudible) have
Yeah, we,
--
we were advised
14
that the Japanese government did submit requests for
15
assistance
--
16
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
17
MIKE WEBER:
--
Oh?
which was news to us.
18
And they were six requests, and the first request
19
was for assistance in support of the Nuclear
20
Incident Team.
21
definition to the nature of that request.
22
liaison time was going to try to going to go back
23
and try to understand that, and if
request, who's taking action on it.
25
But we didn't have any greater

So the
we do have a
And the thought we had is
perhaps we
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2
progress if
we don't see that they're moving in the
46
7Chris,
was that your take on that?
CHRIS MILLER:
Yeah.
Yeah.
I,
you
9 know, one of the items, as Mike was talking about,

1
was incident response,
know,
12
other things.
so it's
Level I,
like, you
(inaudible) in front of the carriers and some
13
But one of them was incident response,
14
and so we kind of took that in the larger band.
i1
we know that we've been working on the PMT and stuff
like that to, to maybe provide them some information
17
through DOE about, you know,
18
projections and things like that.
And
about the dose
We thought, well, you know, there are
19
20
people standing by.
21
called.
22
other players are talking about, how can we give
23
them assistance?
24
you know, DOD and others offered up support; what,
25
what can we do to help them out?
You know,
the State Department
Scott and the US military and, and a few
And, and the bottom line is that,
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1
So I ran that by the folks over at, you
know, by, by Jim and Tony.
the things that they might need.
what Tony told me was, you know, what we've, we've
They, you know,
what are
And, you know,
discussed, we've kicked around over here at the

6
Embassy, you know,
know, they're pumping, ways to put water in the core
and other things.
about, actually, if
other ways that they might --
You know, we talked a little
bit
they can't get water into these
10
ponds,
there's diesels or there's Bambi buckets.
12
drop the water into the ponds if
there's other ways.
13
There's fire trucks or

You can
you need to.
And they've been, the military's been
14
offering that request, and they said pretty much
15
that, while we can do that if
16
don't feel like we're in bounds if we,
17
that stuff on them.
18
19
you
they ask for it,
we
if we push
So we, Mike and I were talking about it

a little
20
bit.
What other options do we have?
And Mike,
I guess you mentioned GE or
21
something, thinking we might be able to work that
22
angle.
23
But we need to try to figure out some
24
other way to see if
25
that there's people standing by.
--
you know,
because we know
There's a lot of
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capability that, you know, if
heavy-lift keel loads or whatever, you could bring a
bunch of stuff over there.
could hook it
over.
you, if
you had to
And I don't know if
you
up, but you could certainly bring it
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
guess it's
shape the units are in,
(audio interference)
--
you know,
Yeah,
I mean I,
not understanding how bad a
you know, you would think
large portable
(audio
10
interference) you know, that would be, that would be
11
helpful.
12
CHRIS MILLER:
13
little
14
of it.
yeah, you broke up a
bit there, Brian, but I think I get the gist
15
If
I were, you know,
if
I were running
16
the zoo
17
--
I'd,
and I knew
1i
there were people standing by to help,
I'd think of
19
a few other things I could do,
20
know, more, more power to the batteries or trying to
21
get more, more electrical power on-site somehow, or
22
water somehow pumped up.
23
trucks in series and pull that sea water up somehow
24
from somewhere and put it
25
ponds or tanks they, they've got.
if
--
this is
what I was telling Mike earlier
I was running the zoo, yeah,
whether it's,
you
You know, put a few fire
into whatever storage
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Yeah,
I mean anything
from, you know, pumps to, like you were saying, fire
pump pipe devices or generators,
CHRIS MILLER:
batteries.
Yeah.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
And it
seemed like
compressed air was something they needed.

7
don't know if
vent-and-purge valves.
being air-operated valves but it's
10
SRVs,
And I
that was for the containment

I,
I kind of remember those

also for the
I thought.
11
CHRIS MILLER:
Yeah,
I'm not sure.
12
haven't heard the call for, for air, but that
13
wouldn't surprise me.
14
have any, nothing, nothing to compress it
15
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
I mean they don't, they don't

right now.
At one point, we heard
16
a report that they did get a portable air compressor
17
to them, and it's
18
reports that you never heard again, but we did hear
19
that early on when they were first thinking about
20
bringing the --
--
22
bringing in.
kind of one of those fleeting
I forget what time they were issued
but the truck-mounted generators were,
23
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yeah.
they were
So, anyway,
we're kind of now thinking about what, you know, how
far do we go to push that.

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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Right.
I mean, you don't
know.
limited amount of technical information, we don't
know what they've tried and what, what they haven't
tried and what works and --
It
may perhaps --
you know,
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
MALE PARTICIPANT:
9
10
they could possibly do.
there's such a
Right.
--
you know,
what
They could use B5B
equipment right now, I guess, huh?
11
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
The, how about on the,
12
on the home front here in terms of Q&As that?
13
when I left,
14
Borchardt was talking to team about was continuing
15
to work on the Q&As for this week.
that was --
CHRIS MILLER:
1.
That,
one of the things that Bill
Yeah, we've got a couple
of products that we've been working on.
working on Q&As.
working it,
We've been
Dave and his C team have been
so we've got that.

We've got, we've got a status briefing
20
2
that we're continuing to update, and that's ready
22
right now.
23
that, and that'll
24
brief we talked about.
And we've looked at it

be ready for the,
and approved
for the 7:30
And then there's a, there's a Chairman's
25
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status brief or there's a Chairman's staff paper.
It's
which is
this stuff down,
he's going to use that in his talks with some of the
congressional folks later on in the day.
going to use that to brief him as well.
a light version.
It's
a light status version
about a two-pager that, that boils some of

so to speak.
And he's going to,
But we're
So those are some of the products that,
that we've got.

10
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
1i
MIKE WEBER:
Okay.
And then we've got the
12
updated questions and answers that we continue to
13
evolve.
14
pools to add.
The,
15
the RS Team,
they've got spent fuel
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Are there additional
16
directions that we ought to be heading in during the
17
day today relative to the Qs & As that you guys have
18
seen so far?
19
MIKE WEBER:
Yeah, I,
I think we can
20
continue to enhance the level of preparedness by
21
focusing on the upcoming hearings.
22
occur on Wednesday --
23
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
24
MIKE WEBER:
25
--
That's going to
Right.
the Chairman's
testifying at.
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I spoke briefly with the liaison team.
2
They're not working on coming up with testimony that
the Chairman could use about the accident or the
emergency over in Japan, but he said that he was
aware that OTA folks said that they were aware that
it
had been discussed earlier today.
But I think what's going to happen over
the next several days is we'll continue to see the
evolution of the story in the media.
And obviously,
we anticipate that
10
we can best be prepared if
1i
evolution and make certain that we're ready to
12
respond.
Neil got a call from a BBC reporter, and
13
14
their focus was on coordination.
15
countries working together?
16
is the NRC providing to Japan?
What kind of assistance
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
17
How are the
That sort of stuff.

And how are we
18
answering that question given that they haven't
requested specific assistance?
2
2
MIKE WEBER:
Well,
describing what we're doing
we're answering it
--
22
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
23
MIKE WEBER:
24
Do we have a Tepco update?
25
OMAR:
--
by
Okay, yeah.
which is
fair.
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MIKE WEBER:
I
2
new Tepco update,
OMAR:
MIKE WEBER:
Omar (phon) is digging up a
maybe.
(Off-mic.)
I think, with everybody
seeking information on the Tepco website, it's

6
probably getting hit a lot.
hack it
cause problems.
and take it
out, because that would really
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
10
while,
11
name or whatever and --
12
MIKE WEBER:
13
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
14
I hope somebody doesn't
it
Yeah, right.
For a
was that people didn't know the company's
Yeah.
--
and were seeking
information in other outlets.

MIKE WEBER:
Yep.
So here's the release
16
that just came out from Tepco.
The punch line is in
17
the second paragraph.
"Water injection to
18
Unit 2's reactor is being carried out by the RCICS
19
cooling system.
20
isolation cooling system failed today.
determined that a specific incident,
22
the reactor cooling function, stipulated in Article
23
15,
24
about seven hours earlier.
It
says,
However, the reactor cooler

It
the failure of
Clause 1 has occurred at 1:25 today."
25
was
That was
And, you know, that, that triggers the

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execution of their preparedness actions.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
MIKE WEBER:
now,
for Unit 2,
Right.
So that will just mean that
the evacuation radius is
20
kilometers.
6
They did, following the explosion that
decimated the secondary containment on Unit 3,
advise shelter-in-place for the 600 or so members of
the public who remained behind within the evacuation
10
zone.
John Lubinski is here to give us an
12
12
update from the PMT.
13
14
He's bored.
entertained.
15
16
He just wants to be
JOHN LUBINSKI:
He just wants to be
entertained for the morning?
17
How are you going, Brian?
18
MIKE WEBER:
19
He's trying to get up to
speed on what's going on.

JOHN LUBINSKI:
20
I was going to say if
21
you, you're here just to be entertained, you lead a
22
(inaudible) life.
23
(Laughter.)
24
MALE PARTICIPANT:
I,
I'm liking this
because as soon as he arrives here,
I'm going to say
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
JOHN LUBINSKI:
Yeah.
Yes,
based on the most
recent information we got from Tony,

faxed in
--
MIKE WEBER:
rate?
we did get
Is
it
a radiation exposure
i01
11
12
13
14
15
16
The,
also, we did get from Tony that.
17
they had been venting Unit 2 also.
18
were venting Units 1 and 3,
19
venting Unit 2.
20
information we did not have.
21
We knew they
but they were also
So that was a new piece of
The, they, they have been injecting the
22
sea water via some type of pumping system into Units
23
1 and 3.
24
site into some kind of hole, not the spent fuel
25
pools but some pools they had there that could
The sea water had been basically pulled on
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collect the water
--
MIKE WEBER:
JOHN LUBINSKI:
Right.
--
pump it
in.
They
lost that capability about,
with Tony 12 hours ago.
hours ago now that they lost that capability to
supply the water.

MIKE WEBER:
from that phone call
So it
was actually about 16
But we don't know why?
JOHN LUBINSKI:
We do not know why.
We
10
do not know if
11
getting that sea water into the pools or from the
12
pools into the --
it
was whatever system they had
13
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Into the plant.
14
JOHN LUBINSKI:
into the plant.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
16
JOHN LUBINSKI:
17
So we don't know why
They also have lost the cooling ability

to Unit 2.
MARK WEBER:
20
21
Yeah.
that was.
18
19
--
That's that Tepco release
that I read Brian.
22
JOHN LUBINSKI:
23
So the,
Right.
they lost cooling to Unit 2,
24
at this point, or at the time we talked to Tony,
25
which was about four hours ago,
it
and
was indicated
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that the fuel in all three units was still
at that time.
2.
But the one of most concern was Unit
And--
4
5
covered
MIKE WEBER:
So they haven't had fuel
failure there yet; right?
JOHN LUBINSKI:
They have not had fuel
failure yet.
they were already pumping sea water in.
not been doing that in Unit 2,
At least, at least in the other units,

They had
so therefore,
that
10
was a concern what the water level would be there,
11
and it
12
sea water in.
13
one that might be losing water.
didn't sound like they had anything to pump
14
So Unit 2 is a concern.
Again, no AC power to any of the units
1i
at that point.
16
batteries charged.
17
18
And the --
On which, on which
unit?
JOHN LUBINSKI:
For all three of the
units.
2
22
They're just trying to keep their
MALE PARTICIPANT:
19
20
That was the
MALE PARTICIPANT:
For all
three are
having trouble.
23
JOHN LUBINSKI:
24
lost
25
the spent fuel pools are in
their
They,
even though they
secondary containment on Units 1 and 3,

good shape.
They're
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2
fine in the pools.
They reported that there was no problems
with the pools at this point but we don't have any
information on how they're keeping them cool.
MIKE WEBER:
And that's in Units 1 and
3?
JOHN LUBINSKI:
told Unit 2 --
again,
Unit 1 and 3.
they still
We were
had no problems
with the spent fuel pools in Unit 2 either.
11
building is
12
they're keeping it
13
14
So, but we don't know how
cool.
So those spent fuel pools
are now open to the environment?

MALE PARTICIPANT:
Open to the
environment.
17
18
intact.
MIKE WEBER:
15
16
still
The
CHRIS MILLER:
Yeah.
It
blew off the
whole top of the buildings out.

JOHN LUBINSKI:
is
Yeah.
Yeah.
It
blew
20
the top of the buildings off.
21
environment,
22
still
23
information on the impact of what that explosion of
24
the building did as far as, you know, any water in
the pool.
They're open to the
but apparently, they're, you know,
covered with water.
There's no, no
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Do you have a comment,
2
JOHN:
No indication
John?
--
yeah --
no
indication that any of that fuel was damaged due to
debris or anything and hitting that pool?
JOHN LUBINSKI:
The exact quote from
Tony is,
"The pools on all three units are in good
shape."
And we probed if
why.
You know, we kept asking the questions.
information --
he had any information
he doesn't have it
--
how it's
No
being
cooled.
JOHN:
No.
You know, with the amount of
12
damage that appeared to have been done at the panel,
13
it's
just
--
14
15
MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes,
(inaudible) land
at the pool.
16
MIKE WEBER:
Yeah, we saw, we saw the
17
video of Unit 1, of course,
on our time Saturday
18
morning,
I don't think we saw any
19
real video of the explosion of Unit 2.
in the explosion.
20
MALE PARTICIPANT:
We did.
21
MALE PARTICIPANT:
They showed it
22
MIKE WEBER:
okay.
23
MALE PARTICIPANT:
24
Yeah,
It
on TV.
Yeah.
was quite a bit
more energetic than Unit 1.
25
JOHN LUBINSKI:
Okay.
And that was it
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as far as the conditions.
We did talk on dose information.
We did
They had no additional
coordinate again with DOE.
dose information than what we had.
They,
they gave
us one more data point that they had from the Reagan
6
that was a little
bit higher than what we had.
was 0.9 rather than -. 6.
MIKE WEBER:
JOHN LUBINSKI:
11
Dose rate?
That was the dose rate.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
10
they were in
From when,
from when
--
12
JOHN LUBINSKI:
13
MALE PARTICIPANT:
14
It
From when they were ---
when they were in
the vertical?
JOHN LUBINSKI:
Yes, but they're still,
they've asked some questions of the Reagan about
that.
Reagan has because they're outside plume now.
There's no additional information that the
But they had an additional data point.
19
20
We talked to them about what we suspected because of
21
the venting.
22
going on --
They did not know that the venting was
23
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Oh,
24
JOHN LUBINSKI:
for all
25
MIKE WEBER:
--
really?
three units.
Oh.
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JOHN LUBINSKI:
was only for Unit 3.
or 1.
2 or Unit 3.
They, they suspected it
They did not know they were,
They did not know they were doing it
in Unit
So then we talked to them about our
logic and why we thought that that dose was what it

7
as that the Reagan gave, based on that, and they
confirmed that made sense.
ballpark numbers here.
10
But again, we're talking
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
John,
hey --
Brian --
11
just to ask question about that, what part of DOE
12
are you talking to?
13
JOHN LUBINSKI:
We got to the DOE
14
operations center and talked to the their dose
15
people.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
1
17
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Was his name
Blumenthal?
20
21
Down at Forest
Hall?
18
19
Okay.
JOHN LUBINSKI:
To be honest,
I'd have
to get the name of the individual.
22
I can get that back to you, Brian.
23
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
And just so that the
24
team gets that on turnover because what happened
25
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2
with a different opinion.
3
4
5
JOHN LUBINSKI:
Okay,
I appreciate that.
We'll get that and make sure that's still
in the
turnover.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
JOHN LUBINSKI:
Thanks.
Some things we're
running right now is we're running the RASCAL

projections based on all three units now rather than
10
the two units, which we did before,
and we're doing
12
it
We're still
12
making the same assumptions of the 40-percent core
13
damage for all three units and assuming a
14
one-percent release rate for 24 hours.
for a change of wind direction.
15
This is going to be, you know, varied
16
growth because we're not able to account for the
17
venting if
18
they're continuing to vent and how they're handling
19
that since they've lost ability to put the sea water
20
in.
they continue to vent.
We don't know if
21
So that's our estimate at this point.
22
MALE PARTICIPANT:
23
for the potential shift in wind direction?
24
2
And you're accounting
JOHN LUBINSKI:
And we're doing it
on what we see as wind direction when it
based
comes from
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the northeast going southwest towards Tokyo.

Two challenges with that.
One is our
RASCAL folks are running a little,
right now, but they'll be able to overcome that.
But on the day shift, hopefully we can get someone
in who can do the GIS for us.
here are familiar with how to get that plot up.
I'm we'll get it
the day shift, we'll be able to find someone in the
10
in.
If
little
challenge
None of our folks

But
there's not someone here on
building to come down and do that for us.

The other issue is,
11
as you said, Mike,
12
the weather.
We're checking the weather through,
13
just one of the weather sites and, you know, just in
14
the last couple hours it's
i1
looked like it
16
Tuesday local time when the wind would shift that
17
direction.
18
back to about noon.
continued to change.
It
was going to be about three o'clock
Then it
went to nine o'clock.

So, you know,
19
MIKE WEBER:
20
JOHN LUBINSKI:
So it's
Now it's
again --
Predicting the weather.

Yeah, you're predicting
21
the weather.
22
1500 on Tuesday when it's
23
direction.
24
but that shouldn't really hit many people at that
25
point.
It'll
anywhere from 9:00 a.m. to

going to be that
go a little
bit straight south,
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2
MALE PARTICIPANT:
But that, and that
was local?
JOHN LUBINSKI:
MALE PARTICIPANT:
JOHN LUBINSKI:
And then we're completing the questions
Local time.
Okay.
Japanese feeder time.
for Senator Boucher working with the RST,
have those for you before we leave.
9
10
12
so we'll
The turnover items that we're turning

over to the team in the morning are
o We'll have briefing sheets, briefing
12
information, for them to work with our folks in the
13
UK from the 8:30 briefing,
14
8:30 Eastern time.
o The Chernobyl comparisons we talked
15
about, the information, we'll be turning it
1E
them to work with our program research to do that.
over to
o And then we'll make sure they're

continuing to coordinate with DOE with doses and
is
getting accurate information prior to turnover.
2C
That's all I have.
22
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Sounds good.
Okay.
22
I think you covered most of the stuff we got from
23
Tony while talking to him.
24
2E
But what I see is we've got two action

items for the team.
One is to have this call at

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with the day shift to do that.

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about 20 after four and asked if
scenario for, if
the (inaudible) units, how long before you get core
slump?
Tony would get a reactor person who (audio
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we assume current decay heat within
Tony (inaudible) probably figure that out.
interference).
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12
we were on a, a
MIKE WEBER:
And what was your --
long before you get what?
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Core slump.
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
When does it
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how
go into
a pile at the bottom of (audio interference.)

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I was looking at
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people around here that are getting core slump
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(inaudible).
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(Laughter.)
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
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I'm not sure if
my
core is slumped.
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That's the only two
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things I have to turn over to the day shift.
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the same thing, we're working the questions and
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this
(inaudible)
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yeah.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
--
into the
Chairman's questions, or whatever that, the

questions were that we had.
MIKE WEBER:
The standard package.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Whatever that's
called.
MIKE WEBER:
Okay.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
12
13
that question package reside?
14
that?
i1
MALE PARTICIPANT:
where does
Where,
Where do we have
Well,
there's a
16
version in OPA, but I asked our folks, and what OPA
17
had was like March 12.
18
MALE PARTICIPANT:
19
MIKE WEBER:
Okay.
I think it's
being done on
20
the (inaudible) website or the executive briefing
21
team.
22
been doing it
Jim Anderson,
I think, is the, that's who's
as far as I know.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
23
Okay.
Well, Edith
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says she has a version on her computer in the
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gets to
the right place and everybody's got access to it.
So we will figure that out before we get out of here
tonight.
5
6
MIKE WEBER:
And your core slump
calculation in the metal core, you're assuming that

cooling is
not restored?
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yeah,
it's
kind of a
worst-case because everybody keeps wanting to know,

1
they're asking questions about --
MALE PARTICIPANT:
What could happen.
12
MALE PARTICIPANT:
--
yeah, what could
13
happen.
14
to doing the models right there and Trapp doesn't do
15
it,
16
(inaudible).
I don't think he --
so neither one of these reactor guys
17
1.
he doesn't have access
MIKE WEBER:
these guys?
What's the schedule for
Tony's following up the call?

MALE PARTICIPANT:
19
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going to bed.
21
and shower and everything,
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10 hours.
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Yeah.
Tony said he's
He was going to get some sack time

so he'll be out for about
MALE PARTICIPANT:
He's been on 37 1/2
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yeah, I talked to
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Is
it
MALE PARTICIPANT:
MIKE WEBER:
MALE PARTICIPANT:
But Trapp and he are

so I think --
You said Trapp was
going to stay up until nine o'clock over there?

MIKE WEBER:
11
coming back on at nine.
Oh.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
12
hours.
I thought he was
That's about three
So we're back about three hours.
14
15
Okay.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
10
13
Yeah.
going to work shift-work stuff,
8
9
MALE PARTICIPANT:
So they're going to
try to go --
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17
MIKE WEBER:
Do we know whether Jim
18
assisted the ambassador in the briefing?
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
We never heard back
20
from Trapp.
tonight, but we didn't hear from Jim.
22
23
We talked to Tony a couple times
MIKE WEBER:
question.
24
2.
local
time?
about six p.m.
Okay, SO that's an open
So we hear back from Jim --
MALE PARTICIPANT:
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back on at nine, so he'll probably check in.

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(Audio interference.)
MALE PARTICIPANT:
(Off mic.)
Is
there anything you
think that we should be doing to get that report?

MALE PARTICIPANT:
feeling tired.
I know that Tony's
But, you know, who wouldn't be,
traveling over there and probably working pince he

8
got there kind of thing?
And so I think if he gets
some rest, he'll be okay.

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MIKE WEBER:
So where did that come
12
MIKE WEBER:
Okay.
13
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Correct.
from?
10
11
We've got what looks
14
to be about four different briefings or calls,
15
conference calls coming up here in
16
Jeff Kowalchek (phon),
17
briefing collectively with others the USAID
18
administrator at (inaudible) at seven.
19
at 7:30,
20
understand it
the near term.
our guy down at USAID,
is
His brief is
so we'll give him the latest as we

at that point.
22
MIKE WEBER:
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yes.
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Okay.
24
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Speaking of USAID,
25
Is
Jeff on overnight?
those guys have asked for, give us the top three
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can obviously modify those at a high level the kinds
of things we're doing.
(Inaudible).
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
MALE PARTICIPANT:
that information for you.
to go out.
MIKE WEBER:
11
John?
I was just, I'll
get
Jim just gave them to me
Okay,
MALE PARTICIPANT:
10
and we
well
--
Show him the video
and --
12
MIKE WEBER:
13
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Do you want to look at it?
14
(inaudible) to take care of it
And you wanted

--
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
And then --
17
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yeah, yeah.
Talk to
i1
Jim about them, that there's going to be high-level
19
White House briefing.
20
MIKE WEBER:
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
22
at 8:30,
23
(inaudible) discussion.
Okay.
Let's see,
at 7:30,
then, we've got the conversation with EDK
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I
2
well,
information, not projection.
let
me back up --
Yeah,
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Okay.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Such as what we got
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Well,
run their own dose calculations,

MALE PARTICIPANT:
MIKE WEBER:
12
on that.
13
NRC says it's
I think it's,
John,
if
they want to
they can run them.
Right.
There's still
I think you're okay
as Jeff said, oh, wow,
look;
coming our way.
14
MALE PARTICIPANT:
15
MIKE WEBER:
We're getting that.
We were on a website.
We
found some drudge report or something?
17
18
--
sensitivity there we need to understand.
16
--
my comment was on dose
from the Reagan and what we got from
10
my comment
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yeah,
they're going to get 750 rem in
it
said that
seven days wet dose.
19
MIKE WEBER:
20
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yeah,
MALE PARTICIPANT:
We are sharing that
information,
24
25
garbage.
but it's
out
there.
22
23
Totally it's
of course,
with DOE.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
got a
(audio interference)
Yeah.
And then we've
conference call at 11
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MIKE WEBER:
So we know who's going to
support that, what they're going to say, they're
going to play it
call goes and then decide, you know, what
information people are looking for.
off of how the first part of the
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yes,
sir.
And we
would give a status update from that end of it.

MIKE WEBER:
10
Okay.
11
that happens at 7:00 or 7:30?
12
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Is USAID, Jeff K,
Well, we'll talk with
13
Jeff to give him an update,
14
conversation actually is at 7:30.

MIKE WEBER:
and then his
Okay.
16
MALE PARTICIPANT:
All right.
17
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Okay.
I'll
get these
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MIKE WEBER:
Sure.
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
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MIKE WEBER:
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Anything else?
I think that's it.
Good.
23
for setting up the call with
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
25=
MIKE WEBER:
Jim
are we good
--
--
Tony
--
Okay, we're not taking the
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Okay.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
(Inaudible.)
MALE PARTICIPANT:
They have water boats
that (inaudible),
MIKE WEBER:
6
7
no problem.
They'll pump it
Well,
it
in.
was disturbing
with the email that came back kind of saying

'precarious situation'.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
10
1
Tony said they heard
nothing about evacuating personnel out of Tokyo.
12
MIKE WEBER:
13
on that; right?
14
from Tony was no,
Well, you pulled the string
On evacuating personnel,
there's no
--
15
MALE PARTICIPANT:
16
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MIKE WEBER:
18
(inaudible)
--
the answer
Yeah.
We --
follow the advice of the
--
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Okay,
20
MALE PARTICIPANT:
The Chairman's brief
MALE PARTICIPANT:
That's to brief the
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is at 7:30.
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thank you.
Chairman, but then the Chairman has to call --
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That's the deputies call.

--
and he's not doing
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MIKE WEBER:
That will be in
the secure
conference room.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Okay,
MALE PARTICIPANT:
But that's
6;
We need to make certain that INSR is
staff that, so Wayne Rusk,
interference) at the 7:30?

MIKE WEBER:
But
is
all
right.
a point.
prepared to
he (audio
The deputies call is
at
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get the equipment lined up and ready to go like at
13
7:45.
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15
(audio interference) as best we

But that would mean that we have to
MALE PARTICIPANT:
We can make
that happen.
16
MIKE WEBER:
17
MALE PARTICIPANT:
18
Okay.
think they get in
All right.
Thank you.
They'll be in,
about six.
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
(Inaudible.)
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Do we have all
the
numbers for them and their employees to come in
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set that stuff up?
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and
What else we
need to do?
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I
good --
oh,
So we went with our
new status report?
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review these.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
I think we're pretty
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yeah,
that already
came out.
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JIM TRAPP:
Okay.
We just got a kind of
an important request here,
ambassador's office and we were, we were
brainstorming.
and we were up in the
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JIM TRAPP:
Okay.
And we think we can play the
key role.
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understand the cooling flow system that they had in
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place.
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low-pressure injection that they were getting, and
20
it
pond that they had that they were taking suction out
22
of with some sort of a pump, probably diesel
23
operated, some sort of a fire truck, and then
24
connecting into some sort of a low-pressure
connection into the reactor.
You know, we really, we have to really
You know, we believe it
was some sort of
appeared to be some sort of a, a, a temporary
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I think they've had, over the day,
what we've surmised is they had several failures of
that ability to pump, and they've asked the Army
specifically for trucks, water-pumper trucks, or

water trucks.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
trucks.
We're surmising they're fire trucks.
8
9
Yeah, they use water
JIM TRAPP:
So we're not sure whether
the problem we're trying to solve is
10
pond or, you know, if
11
from the pond into the reactor.
12
But I,
filling up the
they need the, all the way
but I think where we would
13
probably help here is,
14
pretty well understood of getting into the reactor,
15
and, and the Army Corps would probably be the best
people to supply the equipment and fill
you know, we,
MALE PARTICIPANT:
17
we could be
the pond.
Thinking back to the
18
staff,
19
Japanese up with the, with the Army Corps directly,
20
for example,
their specific needs.
we're at.
if
I'm correct,
they were trying to set the
and also US Forces in Japan to discuss

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Right?
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aircraft carriers in the, or at least one,
neighborhood.
in the
I don't know what kind of assets
10
they'd have on that, but we were surmising, if,
11
mean if
12
filling a pond, there,
13
of doing that; helicopters and firefighting
14
equipment,
i1
bit of scoop and fill.
the problem we're trying to solve is just

there might be multiple ways
that kind of thing.
It
might be a little
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Jim,
is there a way
that we can help from here to link up, you know,
22
people with ideas to, to help with that?
23
more of a, you know, we need equipment and, you
24
know, and the military's helping with that?
25
is there a way we can connect with them?

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good ideas.
link them up or if
I know there's other folks with
I'm just wondering if
there's a way to
the best way is to --
JIM TRAPP:
What I'd like to do is
basically a collaboration.
conference call with the Army, at the right levels
of the Army,
have.
We need to get on a
the people that know what assets they
They know, and the Army Corps of
10
Engineers-type folks who know how to solve fluid,
1i
fluid hydraulic issues.
12
NRC would have to get, would want to get involved
13
because we could probably provide support on, you
know, how to get the ADDs open,
of the problem is,
So it
effort.
And then I would think the
if
that's what part
and how to get water to the core.
seems like it
would be a collaborative
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yes,
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yeah,
that --
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JIM TRAPP:
Yeah.
We've been kind
But unfortunately,
we've been waiting, we've been waiting all day.
They had no core cooling for a day.

opinion,
breached.
tonight.
I mean,
in my
I'm just shocked that these vessels haven't

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you know, is like
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the lead here from DOE,

laryngitis.
Oh, I'm sorry.

is,
unfortunate y
as
He can't talk, but he shook his head
that he didn't think that was probably necessary at
this point,
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All right.
happen to know current status of the core's
coverage, Jim, or is
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10
that still,
JIM TRAPP:
unlikely, if
is that unclear?
it
would be highly
they hadn't had had any injection for a
day or, you know
To me,
Do you
--
TONY ULSES:
If
they lost injection
12
between,
13
time, and I don't think they've recovered it
14
so it's,
I think was about 1:00 a.m.
it's
since,
been a long time.
15
MIKE WEBER:
MALE PARTICIPANT:
17
local Japanese
So, 18 hours ago.

All three units
basically?
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TONY ULSES:
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JIM TRAPP;
All three units.
Yeah, and that might not
20
have all been simultaneous.
that Unit 1 and 3,
22
pond emptying, it
23
probably, as probably a common cause failure.
24
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whatever this issue was with the

appeared that that occurred
And the Unit 2, you know,

lost RCC-I, but it's
anyway,
somehow they
not clear to us exactly how
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
JIM TRAPP:
Okay.
And then the explosion this
afternoon didn't help recovery matters any.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
looking at electrical power of, you know,
Jim, is anybody
asking for
resources on getting any kind of electrical power -8
JIM TRAPP:
I hope they do.
I mean,
that's, to me,
10
know, I mean,
1i
Washington, you guys could really do a good job in
12
figuring out how to get the --
I mean,
13
you want to go high-pressure?
Do you want to go
14
low-pressure?
15
generators and hook them up?
16
of things might be helpful because the Army or Navy
17
and, or, the Armed Forces would probably have those
18
resources available.
that's part of the solution.

if
And you
we're brainstorming back in
you know,
do
Do you want to bring in some portable
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20
MIKE WEBER:
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DAVE:
I mean, all those kind
Okay.
Okay.
Hey, Jim, this is Dave
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(Inaudible)
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a lot of GE folks over there doing refueling anyway.
24
Would they have any thoughts they could help with,
25
(Skein]
(phon).
There's supposed to be
ideas on injection?
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You know what,
I would --
you know, maybe that's a great thing for the NRC is
let's start putting together a group of, of experts.
You know, call in the Exelons,
the GEs,
get anybody
you can who might, might be able to help you.
And
if we can, you know, put this effort together, the

7
call together, you know,
experts, you guys could reach out to.
.DAVE:
a group of technical
Because I know the industry had
10
asked early on if
11
to help in the first day or so of this event.
there was anything they could do
12
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MIKE WEBER:
Yeah, we've got the names
and numbers.
17
That's why we know they're primed and ready to
18
provide assistance.
JIM.TRAPP:
19
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We've talked to these folks already.
All right.
That would be
great.
DAVE:
Any way to get technical
22
information from th~em about their current --
23
know,
2:
drawings or, you know, kind of --
you
the current, you know, your diagrams and
2
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MIKE WEBER:
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okay.
Do you have an idea when
this call's going to take place?

JIM TRAPP:
Well,
So,
I don't know,
Well,
we're hoping tonight.
I don't know what it
is in
Washington, but tonight for us.
2i
MIKE WEBER:
Okay.
Well,
you're coming
l1
up on seven o'clock, so do you think like nine
13
o'clock?
14
JIM TRAPP:
You know,
it
--
you know as
1i
much as I do and you could probably estimate it
well as I could.
17
18
as
MIKE WEBER:
And who's initiating the
MIKE WEBER:
Yeah.
call?
2.
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And who's initiating
the call?
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I think it
would, I think it
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there --
MIKE WEBER:
JIM TRAPP:
Army.
You know,
Okay.
--
it
could be,
it
could be
I'm not sure.

MIKE WEBER:
So we'll be ready to
support the call when it
meantime, we'll do our brainstorming and get our
contacts lined up so that they can be ready to
10
JIM TRAPP:
That would be,
MIKE WEBER:
14
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Okay.
15
schedule, Jim?
1E
bed, or what are you doing?
don't
TONY ULSES:
to sleep.
We missed our opportunity
I think that window has passed.

JIM TRAPP:
21
I don't think we've slept
since Saturday.
TONY ULSES:
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Actually, we haven't --
--
1s
22
What's, what's your
Are you getting up or just going to
JIM TRAPP:
17
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I think that
would be the best we can do.
13
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and in the
support.
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happens,
I forgot,
it's
been so
long.
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25
It,
it's
been a while.
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I think we've lost our
chance.
JIM TRAPP:
But, but, you know, tonight
might be the opportunity to do what needs to be
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couple hours in.

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Yeah, we've got to give it
hopefully, it's
going to move
I hope.
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I'm crashing, man.
I'm
crashing.
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and then you
Understood.
All right, you work that
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Yes,
sir.
Anything else?
That's it.
All right.
Anything from you guys?
No.
Thank you.
We've been, we appreciate the information you guys
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Keep up the good work.
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Thanks,
Thanks.
Tony.
Well,
All right.
hopefully,
Let's get
rolling.
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you know,
the State
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Can we assemble that call?
try to assemble that call.
have the number; right?
I think we ought to
I think you, you guys
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Are they aware of
MALE PARTICIPANT:
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that?
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I mean,
say
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we can
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but we know the, you
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I would say
that ASAP,
sure you need the GE people to be on the call we're
setting up here, because I think the first round is
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I mean,
I'm not
Yeah, you can even have the
call in advance with GE and say, hey, what are your

ideas about what could be done?
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
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MIKE WEBER:
do we have the B5B
'This is
what we
understand.'
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measures that were implemented at our comparable
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identify them with a specific site --
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in
a brainstorming way --
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someone would have one.
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this work?
--
but say, you
I would guess that
would this work?
Would
Would this work?
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think that they're on the B5B webpage --
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webpage but the --
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Well,
I,
I would
not the
Share point.
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Share point site, B5B?

The B5B share point
I thought they were --
MALE PARTICIPANT:
MIKE WEBER:
--
No,
going to be in?
I'm not talking about
Sam Hughes.
were implemented to support the B5B --
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Mitigative
strategies.
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--
under the February 2002
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Eric will, would know
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yeah --
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that.
and did.
What we just did is we got a call from Jim Trapp and
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Tony, and they've (inaudible).
Japan has just reached out us and said --
MIKE WEBER:
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associate the plant with --
brainstorming mode,
we did
I mean, we're in
so --
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The government in
Yeah,
Yeah.
so I mean
- -
You were saying
where they would be.
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that's what
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thought there was
Okay, right.
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FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
(Inaudible) email.
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it
would have
Like Barry Westreich?

Yeah.
So who's in early that
would have that information?
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been - -
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Do you want me to
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B5B.
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You've got other stuff
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FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
I'll call
(inaudible) and just tell him real quick.

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Yeah.
FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
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I missed the beginning of it
requested -
--
that they've
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They requested assistance
to help them figure out how to get water into the

ponds and then out of the ponds,
into the plant to
initiate cooling ASAP.

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see if
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Then there was
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another in terms of power.
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I can track down the B5B.
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AC power,
MALE PARTICIPANT:
high-pressure or it's
or --
Yeah,
side
a low-pressure injection
depending on (inaudible) 41.6.B.
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She's on the line.
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but if
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that would give us a
we're trying to
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Twenty-four seven,
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engineering and health physics and, you know,
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the condition could transition, you know, as the, as

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two things he's looking for.

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Okay.
I'm on it.
Okay.
And we got, we're
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response team.
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involved, so hopefully they're getting it
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ambassador and we're getting it
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And you know, we've got State
JIM TRAPP:
Oh,
That would
be great.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
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Thank you.
And hopefully we can, we can
get some resources about here.
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from this side, so.
excellent.
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MIKE WEBER:
And Exelon is on now with
the Reactor Safety Team.
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folks.
Yeah,
this is a good
We're starting to, starting to move some
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Wonderful.
how are you.
How are you?
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Very good.
Okay.
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would be at least two

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Oh, my goodness.
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Now, again, we don't know
Okay.
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Like what if
we have
a problem with one of the units back here?
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people who need to understand reactors,
also going to need to understand emergency response.
MIKE WEBER:
And,
but they're
and BWRs specifically,
I would think.
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know how big the population is,
I don't
but we can start
going through it.

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--
speak Japanese on
the reactor site.

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Good enough.
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That's it
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All right.
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Anything
else, Mike?
for now.
Hey, thank you
so much for taking the shift.
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Sure.
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Are you doing all right?
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I'm doing fine.

Good.
Yeah.
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That's on top of Tony and
Jim.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
That's on top because
Tony and Jim are going to be at the embassy and are
functioning there pretty well, I think.
requested that in addition.
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I understand.
So they
Okay.
Are
you going to do another call this morning?
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Yes, we are.
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What time?
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It's
going to be a
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Commissioner's Assistants briefing at 7:30.
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call at eight o'clock, which is
really intended,
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to talk about
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recommend for me, Mike?
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And
MIKE WEBER:
second one,
I would participate in the
Eric.
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All right.
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Yes.
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Eight o'clock?
Mike.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
MIKE WEBER:
Okay.
So we just got off the
phone with Eric.
we'll support this, but you'd better start thinking
about,
if
We said we don't know whether
the Chairman decides to do this, who are
the candidates that would fill

CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
these positions?
Okay.
absolutely support the request,
would say otherwise.
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MIKE WEBER:
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yeah, let's
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mobilized immediately.
support it,
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with our list
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by mid-morning,
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by this morning.
Yeah, we
again, unless you
No.
No.
Good.
and let's
Good.
So,
get people
Well, we've got to come up
first and come back.
So I asked Eric,
to have those people identified, or
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Uh --
I'm sorry
No --
I'm sorry?
Well,
I was just going back
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the State Department that we've gotten this request.
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So you know, we've notified
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MIKE WEBER:
We've, we've asked them to
put together the conference call that we've been
having on a routine basis because it's
players --
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
MIKE WEBER:
--
Okay,
all the same
good.
to coordinate these
kinds of things.
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get their ideas.
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And so we'll feed them into
the Reactor Safety Team here.
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the first request as well.
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Okay.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
So we're rolling on
Okay.
Now can I ask
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you just, as I work with my counterparts at my
level, was the request specifically for NRC
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The first request was for a
variety of agencies to provide the support...
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airports, helicopters,
Okay.
... because of course it
tanker trucks,
those sorts of things.
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Okay.
Good.
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MIKE WEBER:
But on the technical side,
I think, while I didn't hear it
there was a presumed, you know, NRC's kind of got
the technical expertise to provide this kind of
advice.
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Okay.
Is that what you heard?

Yeah.
What we,
were thinking only on the request from

Jim Trapp,
Chairman -- was that
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CHRIS MILLER:
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what we
in
cancer
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I'm sorry.
Can you,
I can't recognize your
Oh, Chris Miller.
I'm
sorry.
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Oh, hi, Chris.
The request we heard from
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Jim Trapp sounded like, hey, we need, we need help
19
from the US government in the capability to help
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cool the core,
and the equipment should they need to bring the
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mentioned; you know,
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goes to technical expertise
The Army Corps of Engineers was

other ways to get water pumped
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Mike,
read the 0600 sitrep.
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top of it.
So
Oh,
okay, then you're on
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oh, hold on.
Okay,
well --
And then the number two
Go ahead.
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No --
go ahead,
Chairman.
I'm going to forward
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request for assistance.
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that at the technical level we're organizing a call
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Japanese counterparts.
the
And so what I can say is
Is
that correct?
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That's correct.
Okay.
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Okay,
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
logistical issue,
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Mike.
thank you.
Second,
and this is
can we have a car sent to,
to me
as well?
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Yes.
Sure.
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Where are you?

I'm at home.
Okay.
I don't want to, I
a place where I'm not able to
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Okay.
so I,
I'll
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Okay.
Understood.
Okay,
thanks.
So,
at
expect the 7:30 update and

have the eight o'clock sitrep
MIKE WEBER:
That's our understanding
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good.
Thanks,
everybody.
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thank you.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Hi,
Hi, Mike.
Chairman.
I,
we're supposed to
have an eight o'clock CVTS call.

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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Okay.
Do you have
recommendations on the timing of that?
I,
I was
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so that we have a little
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MIKE WEBER:
I suggested not
bit of time to mobilize and
Yeah,
I would agree with
that.
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Would you, would you
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have recommendations on any time other than eight
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need a little
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the gaps are, and things like that?
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In other words,
should it
be later?
Do we
bit more time, or is that the right
I would, I would favor
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what I was looking for.
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Good.
That's
All right.
And one other question.
Has the request
been distributed throughout the federal government?

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Okay.
Yeah,
we --
Good.
go ahead.
No, go ahead, please.
Well,
we've gone back to
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the State Department point of contact who is
19
routinely arranging these calls and we said we need
this within the hour.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
MIKE WEBER:
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
I'm going to hop in a car.
25
Okay.
Good.
She was rolling on it.
plans on how I'm getting in.
Okay.
Good.
I changed
I'm just going to hop
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in a car and drive myself up there.
So I plan to
get briefed at 7:30, but if
at this point to, to get everything else mobilized,
we can do that.
o'clock, I have a status of where we are and an
update on anything that we need or anything that,
issues with getting the assets organized and the
you need to defer that
I just want to make sure, by eight
assistance organized.
9
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Yeah,
Chairman,
10
Marty.
We're ready, so we're set up at 7:30.
When you get in here, we'll brief you.
12
CHAIRMAN:
13
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Okay.
Good.
If
you want to come
14
down to the ops center or if
15
from your office, wherever, we can set it
16
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
17
not be in by 7:30,
18
do it
Okay.
but I will --
MARTY VIRGILIO:
to do it
21
22
you would like to do it
if
up.
Good.
not,
I may
we'll just
on the phone.
19
20
this is
Okay.
We'll just plan
at 7:30 then.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Okay.
Good.
Thank
you.
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Thank you.
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everybody.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
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Good morning,
Good morning,
Chairman.
This is Marty.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
a
--
I should be in,
in
Hi.
Can somebody just
about 10 minutes.
Can,
can
10
somebody just make sure that we have, we're all set
11
to go, with the secure video teleconference for the
12
eight o'clock, the eight o'clock call with Brennan?
13
MARTY VIRGILIO:
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
15
That's working.
I'm sorry.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Yes, Chairman.
We're
already working on that.
1i
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
19
MARTY VIRGILIO:
20
for that, for the secure call at eight.
21
22
Can you
repeat that?
16
17
Yes.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
And I'll
be in,
Okay.
Great.
We're almost prepared
Excellent'.
Thank you.
hopefully, in about 10 minutes.
Is
23
that sufficient time to brief me before eight, or do
24
we need to do it
now?
MARTY VIRGILIO:
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sir.
You can come
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That's fine.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Great.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Josh has
Thanks,
--
Marty.
Chairman?
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HOO:
Marty, Brook Smith asked us to
call the Tokyo operations center.

MARTY VIRGILIO:
HOO:
Yes.
We have somebody there.
They,
they didn't know exactly who we're looking for.
you need somebody with technical expertise?

MARTY VIRGILIO:
9
10
We're
looking for the ambassador himself.
11
12
No, sorry.
Do
HOO:
Hold on, please.
13
Oh, the ambassador himself.

I'll
Okay.
get back to you.
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
morning.
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7
8
My name is Brian McDermott.

How are you?
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Okay, sir.
I,
I was
trying to get some connection into Ambassador Roos

to discuss the situation in Japan and the request
10
for assistance.
11
Right.
Yeah, he just
12
went to a secure conference call that's chaired by
13
the NSC on the Japan situation.
14
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
It
just started.
Okay.
The reason for
15
my call is because we did have notification at 5:50
16
Eastern Time this morning that Japan has requested
17
US technical assistance in dealing with Fukushima
18
Daiichi Units 1, 2,
and 3 cooling.
19
Okay.
20
2
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
And we've been working
to try to set that up through the DART team.
22
Right.
23
24
25
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BRIAN MCDERMOTT:
We understand that the
DART team cannot take action without validation from
3
4
the ambassador.
t
Okay.
Oh, is
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
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that right?
And so, somehow, we
need to make that happen because we need to get the

US resources together, whether it's
the Department
of Defense or others, with heavy equipment,

10
generators,
the kind of stuff with
1
12
pumps,
--
Right.4
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
--
our technical
13
people and coordinate what needs to get to those
units.
isR
ig
16
17
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
is
I want to
very important.
~Right.
19
20
I want to,
impress upon you that time is,
18
gt.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
These units have been
without cooling for an extended period of time.
That's correct.
22
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
23
this request,
a kind of
25
We were waiting for
and we're looking for some help to do
--
Okay,
I'm sorry.
When
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you say "this request," this is the Japanese request
for fire trucks from USFJ?
"this request"?
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
request that came in,
and it
Is that what you mean by
We, we have a, a
was relayed to us
through the folks that were at the, our staff that
were at the embassy,
technical assistance in establishing and, and
providing cooling for the cores on Units 1, 2,
10
3.
that they had requested
Yes.
Okay,
and
what I'm
12
aware of is
13
calling "fire trucks" or vehicles that can pump
14
water at high speed for use in injecting sea water
is
into the reactors.
about something separate?
17
the Japanese have requested what they're
Are you talking about that or
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Yes,
and, and that's
18
probably a simplification of --
19
can do it.
20
equipment that we know of that are available to
There are a lot of different pieces of
21
--
Right.
22
23
that's one way you
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
--
to US organizations
that could be used to do it.
24
Right.
25
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
And we've got people
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working on how to lash those pieces of equipment
together.
3
Right.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
But the issue is
getting this group that's been convening regular

conference calls, coordinated by the State
7
Department,
to talk to--
to pull back together the people we need
Right.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
I1
11
--
Okay.6
to authorize them
to provide the support.
12
Okay.
I guess I'm still
13
--
What we're working right now is
15
see if
16
requirements of what the Japanese are asking for.
17
We've been working this issue now for several hours,
18
but are you,
I'm sorry
I'm just not quite understanding.
talking to USFJ to
they have equipment that meets the
is that what you're talking about?

BRIAN McDERMOTT:
19
20
--
I think this, while it
probably has the same objective --
Okay.
22
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
--
this, this is,
it
23
may be a different request.
relayed to us by the NRC personnel that were at the,
25
at the embassy.
It
came from, it
was
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about Jim and Tony?
You're talking
Is that who you're
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
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the
--
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah, we've, we've
been working this issue with them.

what we're trying to do is
Yes, okay.
establish --
And
because we
got this request from someone who's like me,
expert.
not an
And so what we're trying to do is we
10
11
obtained a contact point at Tepco,
12
we have someone from USFJ talking directly to him to
13
make sure we understand what the request is.
14
then USFJ, in turn, is going to be seeing what they
15
could possibly provide that would meet the request.
the operator,
And that conversation,
17
We lashed them up about an hour ago,
I'm hoping, is
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
18
Okay,
I would say.
so to your
understanding,
20
directly with the operator of the facility?
And
going on now.
the U.S.
and
Forces Japan are talking
That's correct, and the
22
name of the person is
23
and his name is
24
speaking with a person at Tepco in their Fukushima
25
office.
from J4,' you know, Operations,

.
And he is
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
2
Fashima?
Fukushima, which is
place where the reactors are,
company, the Tokyo Electric Power Company.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
BRIAN McDERMOTT: Y Okays
7
8
and Tepco is
Sure.
the
the power
Okay.
Yes, so we got that
request a couple hours ago and, as I said, with the

advice of Tony and Jim, you know, we wanted to get a
10
little
better sense of what the needs were because
there may be another way of meeting the needs,
12
we wanted to, you know, keep all the options sort of
13
out there.
conversation.
15
and
So that's why we're having this
But Ambassador Roos has talked with the
16
commander of USFJ, and I think he very much
17
understands the high priority of this request.
18
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Okay,
so it,
it
sounds
19
like we were trying to coordinate something more
20
remotely.
21
22
Can, can we just put you on hold for one

second?
23
2
2S
-Sure.
Sure.
(Conference call muted briefly at

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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Okay
Yes.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Okay, we were just
having a conversation back here.
it,
pit that's in the vicinity of the reactors, and
As we understand
what the Tepco folks have done is established a
they're pumping the seawater into that pit, to mix

it
1
with boric acid before it
second mechanism up to the reactor facility.
11
12
gets pumped through a
That's our
understanding.
13
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Okay,
so what we had
14
folks here working to do was identify other ways or
15
means that they could pump it
16
reactor.
17
from the pit up to the
And so what we're trying to understand
18
is,
19
people on the, on the ground, U.S.
20
Japan and Tepco,
with seawater or getting that mixture from there up
22
to the reactor, and do they need this technical
23
assistance on ways to get it
you know, is
24
25
bU
that dialog ongoing now between the

Joint Forces
dealing with filling up the pit
into the reactor?

Right.
And to be
honest, getting any technical assistance is a
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question I don't know.
What they were focusing on
was trying to get from us equipment to get more
seawater into the pit because the level of seawater
is too low, is what we were told.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Okay, so it
you understood the problem,
from the pit up to the reactor?
it
wasn't,
as
wasn't getting it
It
was getting it
into the pit full?

9
And again, I'm not, with
10
the qualification I'm not a reactor person, my
11
understanding is they stopped siphoning water from
12
the pit to the reactor because they don't have any
13
electricity.
14
the pit was too low, their siphoning method no
15
longer worked.
16
problem.
17
18
And so, when the level of the water in
That's my lay understanding of the
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Okay.
Okay.
understand.
And so they wanted a,
19
20
you know, they wanted a fire truck that had a
21
high-pressure nozzle that they could use.
22
my assumption was that that was to get water from
23
the ocean into the pit, but I'm not positive.
24
not positive about that.

BRIAN McDERMOTT:
25
All right.
But, and
Okay.
I'm
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FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
If,
if
that's the
case, I mean, the recommendations that we have is
all
firefighting equipment.
the --
you know,
the military has the
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Right.
Right.
FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
baskets.
You know,
if
--
there with some
they're trying to fill
the
10
pit as fast as possible, bringing firefighting
baskets --
MALE PARTICIPANT:
13
FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
Right.
--
14
bringing firefighting equipment,
15
pumps
MALE PARTICIPANT:
17
FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
Watering pumps.
--
off of the Navy
ships.
19
Can I,
20
long email that has names,
--
22
happy to forward this to you.
if
I have a fairly
phone numbers --
somebody can give me an email address,
23
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
24
2
one of the watering
--
16
18
and then
can you
I'd
be
Sure.
It
has the names of
people we were working with an OSD and the names of

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people at USFJ and then the,
Would that help you?

BRIAN McDERMOTT:
3
4
our Energy folks here.
would send that to HOO
Yeah,
you
--
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
--
dot HOC --
Dot HOC--
8
10
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
9
10
If
--
-HO0
sure.
@NRC.gov.
@NRC. gov.
Okay.
HOO. HOC@NRC. gov?

BRIAN McDERMOTT:
11
12
That's correct.
Okay,
I just sent it.
13
So it's
14
Capacity,"
is
a look at that because that may answer some of the
called "Urgent Request for Water Pumping

so hopefully that will appear.
And take
16
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
17
18
19
20
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Actually, we,
Yep,
Oh,
have that,
23
24
some of the --
then.
okay, you already
Okay.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
that's
I see that.
we have a fax of that email.
22
22
Okay.
Okay.
All right,
so
the best information you have?

That's correct.
25
And as
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I said, someone in our office talked with Derek
Mitchell,
Secretary for East Asia at OSD,
we need to make this a priority.
And then
who's the Senior Deputy Assistant

and sort of saying
is
the person
that General Field, who's the Commander of USFJ,

identified as the best, his best guy for sort of
knowing what equipment they had and so forth.
9
10
And then, you know,
numbers of the people at Tepco in here as well.
I
12
there's the phone
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
thank you.
13
We'll --
Okay.
All right,
No.
You know,
we,
we'll
14
sort of stepped back, once the two,
15
Tepco and USFJ got together because obviously --
if
17
like our highest priority right now.
there's anything we can do,
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
18
I
20
2
the operator at
let us know.
but
This is
Yeah.
So,
else we can do,
do you have anything for us?
if
there's something
certainly do let us know.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Okay, yeah it,
I did
not know when we initiated this call that, that
23
Tepco was talking directly with USFJ on the ground.
24
25
That,
that is
talking,
so
important for those people to be
--
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PYeah,
USFJ's feeling was,
because I think
rather than just sending
something up based on this, they'd like to have a

little
better sense of what they're needing to see
and how they might help them meet their needs.

.. --- BR-AN-McDERMO0TT-- -Okay.---A--igh .
Thank you.
Sure.
Good luck.
Goodbye.
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
everybody.
6
7
Okay,
good morning
I'd like to bring you up to speed.

I know many of you have probably seen
the developing events in Japan since Friday.

Headquarters,
The
once we, we understood that the Region
IV sites would not have any issues associated with

1
the tsunami,
situation in Japan and being on standby,
12
will, to provide any analysis that might be required
or requested.
14
our focus switched to monitoring the

if you
The situation has been very dynamic.
The information flow has been very challenged due to
the,
17
know if
18
detailed photos and so forth, but it,
19
incredible,
20
sustained.
just the level of damage in Japan.
I don't
you all have been seeing some of the
21
it
is quite
some of the damage that's, that's been
While their facilities were designed for
22
large earthquakes,
this was certainly an extremely
23
large earthquake.
I'm not an expert in that area,
24
but, but it's
25
and to follow that line with a very large wave or
just impressive, the amount of damage,
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waves from the tsunami has resulted in some
significant problems at some of the nuclear power
3
facilities.
In particular, Fukushima Daiichi is a
Three of the units were shut down at
six-unit site.
the time of the event for refueling and the other,
the other three units that were operating at the
time of the earthquake and tsunami,
down.
However,
they did shut
the management of decaying heat has
10
been a challenge because they've had no AC power for
11
several days now.
12
The, the scenarios began to develop much
13
like one would expect from an analysis of station
14
blackout.
15
what they could with steam-driven pumps in some
16
cases to provide core cooling, but that situation
17
has continued to degrade.
The,
you know,
the operators were doing
Currently, we believe that Unit 1, they
18
19
likely have core damage.
20
coverage is highly uncertain.
put together the means to inject borated seawater
22
into the reactor vessel, but that capacity has now
23
been lost.
24
25
The status of the core

They did manage to
You may have seen footage over the

weekend of the Unit 1 reactor building, the upper
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floor of that reactor building.
country,
corrugated metal as opposed to the concrete
structure that's the rest of the building.
Like in our
that refueling floor is actually covered by
They had
an accumulation of hydrogen that exploded and

6
basically blew the covering off that, that top floor
17
of the reactor building in Unit 1. That means
they've lost secondary containment.

Our understanding is that the primary
9
10
containment remains intact.
11
that primary containment periodically through the
12
weekend to maintain within pressure limits, but
13
that,
14
core has resulted in some fission products being
15
detected outside the facility.
They have had to vent
that venting and the lack of cooling for the
16
We have very limited information in
17
terms of what's being monitored off site.
18
know that the prevailing winds have been offshore,
19
so away from the population, and very early on in
20
the event,
21
emergency procedures to evacuate around the
22
facility.
23
out to a, a distance of 20 kilometers.
24
25
We do
the Japanese government implemented
Right now, I believe they're evacuated
The situation remains uncertain.

have had a requlest this morning --
and this applies
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three units --
to help provide technical
assistance, and they've actually asked for, for
assistance from the US government in terms of
getting some means to get, bring water back in to
cool those cores.
As time goes on, obviously, the, the,

the core continues to cool down.
However,
you know,
the farther away you are from the shutdown, the
better off you are.
However, there's still
a lot of
10
decay heat there, and you know, melting of the fuel
11
is not out of the question.
12
time that we believe they've been without core
13
coverage,
14
weekend,
15
understand that they've had some real core damage.
Given the amount of
you know, at different times through the

it
16
would not be surprising at all to
Unit 2 was in the best [sic) of the
17
three.
18
reactor core isolation cooling system --
19
for, for periods of time.
we understand that they've lost that ability to
inject water.
22
2,
23
covered, but then this morning, it
24
perhaps it
They had RCICS operating --
However,
Again, you know,
25
operating
at this point,
that,
we had heard that they did still
was,
that's the
for the Unit
have the core

sounded like
was not the case any longer.
The primary and secondary containment

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are intact on Unit 2.
They've been doing the
periodic venting of containment.
dose information or rad information that we have,
the Protective Measures Team said that that looks
consistent with, with the venting and what we would
anticipate core conditions to be.
just not a good situation.

without AC power,
The very sketchy
So it's,
again,
The basic problem is,
there's no way to remove heat from
the containment.
1
Japanese officials at this time, because
11
of what happened earlier on Unit 1 and then just
12
last night with Unit 3,
13
suggesting the possibility of a secondary
14
containment explosion at Unit 2 in the future.
Japanese officials are
Unit 3, the status of the core coverage
15
16
is highly uncertain.
17
has been lost.
18
containment.
19
approximately 11:00 p.m. last night our time, and
20
that, again, similar to Unit 1, resulted in a breach
21
of secondary containment.
22
believe,
The ability to inject seawater
They have been venting the

They had a hydrogen explosion at
Primary containment,
we
remains intact.
23
We do have even more limited information
24
about some of the other Japanese nuclear sites.
25
However,
it
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on what we know at this point, are the ones of
greatest concern.
You may have seen in the press that NRC
3
4
has sent two individuals,
Ulses and Jim Trapp went via two different routes
to, initially to aid in providing information to the
US Ambassador in Japan.
group with USAID that's run out of the State
Department,
two BWR experts.
Tony
They went over as part of a
and they are coordinating the overall
10
federal efforts to support Japan on, on many fronts
11
at this point in terms of the scope of what they're
12
looking at.
13
We are responding,
though, to specific
14
requests from the Japanese government.
15
pushing forward without, without their identified
16
needs.
17
So we're not
The, this morning at 5:50, we did have a
request for US technical assistance in calling the
19
Fukushima 1, 2,
20
indicated that they had been without cooling for
21
approximately 18 hours.
22
coordination on the ground is taking place between
23
the U.S. Forces in Japan and the,
24
the power plants.
25
and 3.
At that time,
it
was
We understand that
the operator of
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to send to Japan.
We've had the request for NRC
experts to embed with Japanese counterparts in two

3
operations centers,
NRR to coordinate the, the identification of
individuals to do that.
to EOCs,
Two facilities,
round-the-clock staffing --
and we're looking at
at this point,
notion is at least six individuals.
the
That's in
addition to Jim and Tony.

We remain staffed with a full liaison
10
team here at Headquarters.
Reactor Safety Team and Protective Measures Team.
We're reaching out to Research on calculations of
13
the core and running some models to, to kind of try
14
to give us some sense of where they are.
They are
15
managing this emergency, and our role is
really to
16
provide support.
We have a partial
You may have seen a press release last
17
18
night where,
stepping out to do two things.
20
folks that there's,
know,
22
Coast due to this unfolding event,
23
know,
24
are working on this.
25
system of emergency preparedness and they are very
where NRC was basically kind of

One was to inform
there's not a threat to, to, you
US citizens either in Hawaii or on the West

and two, to, you
acknowledge that, that, you know, the Japanese

They have a sophisticated
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technically competent.
tough hand of cards here.
So they've just been dealt
With that, I'll
anybody has any questions.
take a breath and see if
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Do we know why they
lost the ability to inject seawater,

7
ability and then lost it?

BRIAN McDERMOTT:
they had that
We understand what
they're doing is pumping from, from the sea up into
10
a pit near the, near the reactor building and then
11
mixing in boric acid before it's
12
into the reactor.
13
this is
ability to get the seawater into the pit.
all
15
And it
siphoned from there
sounded like --
very sketchy --
and again,
but they lost the
So part of the requests this morning
16
that we saw, actually in writing, were for fire
17
trucks to help pump,
18
the pit.
19
see if
20
how to get the water into the reactor.
as we understand it
now,
into
But we're working to confirm that and to
they need any other assistance in terms of
21
Any other questions?
22
CHARLIE MILLER:
23
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Yes,
24
CHARLIE MILLER:
What --
25
FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
(Inaudible).
Charlie.
Have we looked at
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our B5B measures for these type designs and seeing
2
if
they've tried, to send over maybe to Jim Trapp?
we can come up with anything other than what
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Yes,
Safety Team is looking at that.

some of the B5B materials.
the Reactor
They've pulled the,
And they are also
reaching out to GE and to Exelon.
units that are relatively similar as far as we know.
Exelon has two
We don't have detailed information on
10
the Japanese actual as-built design, so, you know,
11
some of you may remember hardened vent mods on Mark
12
I containment.
13
FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
14
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Yes.
You know, inference
15
would be they didn't have that, but we don't know
16
for sure.
17
So we don't have all the details, but
18
we're reaching out to people that do have general
19
information about these design, GE and Exelon, to
20
mix that with what we know about the B5B measures
21
that, that we were involved with to come up with
22
some recommendations should it
23
come to that.
And like I said, we're looking back with
24
the people right now, relative to this morning's
25
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need.
And from the gentleman we just spoke with
just before this call with the State Department,
it
was really just the fire trucks they were looking

for at this point in time.
5
But we're making sure
that's the case.
CHARLIE:
Brian, it's
Charlie again.
Two questions.
information about their other nuclear units?
First, do, do we have any

Are
they operating to provide electricity to the

10
country?
I know they're in desperate need of it.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Yeah,
I believe there,
there was some information that indicated they had
13
lost about 20 percent of their grid power.
14
other units in the northern, the other units in the
15
northern part of the country are shut down in,
16
probably in different stages of dealing with, you
17
know, the, the damage from the earthquake.
18
have any detailed information about those units, so
19
that is
20
the information flow is really tough.
The,
the
in,
We don't
something that we're watching, Charlie, but
CHARLIE:
22
The second question is,
I understand.
we haven't
23
really talked about the spent fuel pool cooling.
24
we know if
25
this spent fuel cooled in the affected reactors at
Do
they've got any methods at all to keep
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3
Well,
right now,
the
two of them are exposed to, to the environment.
CHARLIE:
Right.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Exactly.
There,
there was -- we
did have a question in,
got the specific answer back, but we were interested
in whether there was any leakage from those pools.
and I don't believe we ever
But the summary statement that we got back from Tony

1
was that,
that there were no reported problems with
any of the spent fuel pools.
12
what it
But, you know,
it
is
is.
13
CHARLIE:
14
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Yes,
sketchy.
Thank you.
And of all
the issues,
15
certainly putting water into the pool when the
deck's open would be one of their easier challenges
17
at the moment.
ERIC LEEDS:
18
If
Hey,
Brian,
this is
Eric
19
Leeds.
20
office directors for a moment,
that NRR is
22
names that we can send over to assist the Japanese.
23
I could just have the attention of the

Brian,
you mentioned
taking the lead to develop a list
of
We're going to have another call at 9:30
24
using the same number and pass code as you used for
25
this call.
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can get on, or their deputies, can get on the line
and talk about folks from their organizations that
we might be able to use or may be able to send over
to Japan to assist them.
I received conflicting information or
two different sets of information.
Brian just
mentioned that we needed six people for two

different EOCs.
Mamish.
I just got off the phone with Nader
Recall that Nader is an OIP.
And Nader
thought that we were going to send three that would

assist in the embassy and three in their EOC in
Tokyo.
So, you know,
there's an assortment of
talent that we could use to assist the Japanese,

whatever we look at.
But six folks --
you know,
Jennifer, you mentioned the idea that folks have an

idea of severe accidents.
with BWR knowledge,
Certainly, we want folks
experience,
operations,
BWR 3s
and 4s.
But whatever you can do to come up with
a list
of names before that 9:30 call would lbe very,
very much appreciated.

CHARLIE:
Eric, it's
Charlie.
Wa don't
want to forget the PMT role either.

ERIC LEEDS:
That, that's a good
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thought,
Charlie.
Thank you.
CHARLIE:
I'll
get on the call at 9:30.
ERIC LEEDS:
I appreciate that, Charlie.
CHARLIE:
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Okay.
And Eric, we'll, we'll
try to circle back here and make sure we've got all
the latest information in to you in support of the
9:30 call.
NADER MAMISH:
Yes, but just for
10
everyone's benefit,
from Jim Trapp.
12
hour ago.
13
rest, so we may not call him for the time being.
14
But I think we,
15
the 9:30 call.
the information we received was
Jim Trapp went to sleep about an
We want to give him an opportunity to
we could talk about it
I think we,
some more at
we should be prepared to
17
come up with a list
18
the needs, we can pick the right skill sets.
19
20
of people and then, depending on
MALE PARTICIPANT:
to do it,
Nader.
Thank you.
NADER MAMISH:
22
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
23
Thank you.
Okay, any other
questions?
24
25
That's the right way
MIKE JOHNSON:
Johnson.
I,
Yeah, this is Mike
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plants, as we rightfully should, but I just wonder
are there any other facilities in Japan, nuclear
facilities in Japan, that were impacted that we've
not heard about or other licensees?
tapped in?
Are we,
are we
Do we know?
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
The, the only other
thing, Mike,
that bear some interest for you in
particular is that one of the sites on the, I want
to say it's
the [KK site]
--
I don't know the full
10
name --
but I think they have at least four units
11
there, two of which are ABWRs.
12
VIC:
Yeah,
that's
13
that's Kashiwazaki-Kariwa,
14
6,
--
this is
Vic --
and the three units, K5,
and 7, are ABWRs.

BRIAN McDERMOTT:
i1
Okay.
We understood
16
that they, they experienced an earthquake and in
17
six, six-something magnitude and continued to
18
operate.
19
any of the newer designs.
20
MIKE JOHNSON:
So they, they don't have any problems with
Thanks.
I was really going towards,
Thank you for
21
that.
22
any, any fuel cycle facilities or anything like
23
that.
24
25
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
not reactors,
We haven't heard
anything about them, Mike.

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VIC:
Hey, Mike,
this is Vic.
While I
have you on the line, I had a 10 o'clock drop-in
meeting scheduled this morning with the folks at
Southern Company.
media;
it.
Apparently,
the media --
at least one media outlet --
the
found out about
I don't know how.
But with the thought of discretion as
the better part of valor, I talked to Buzz Miller
and we decided to postpone that in light of the
10
interest in,
in what's going on in Japan and the
idea that there's a closed NRC meeting.
12
we'll reschedule that at some future time.
13
MIKE JOHNSON:
14
ROY ZIMMERMAN:
Vic.
Brian, this is Roy
15
Zimmerman.
16
information that you provided.
17
Good brief.
Thanks,
So we'll,
I appreciate the, the
With regard to the NRC staff at large
18
that's getting information from a variety of sources
19
through the media and so forth, has the ET spoke
20
about the information that you just provided us and
21
how we look at providing appropriate information to
22
our staff?
23
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
24
emails,
25
continue to do that.
Yes,
all-staff emails out, Roy.
we've put some

We'll probably
There haven't been a lot of

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them over the weekend, but there are at least two
2
that I'm, I'm directly aware of, where provided some
general background and urged folks, if
getting outside contacts,
to the,
they were
to funnel that information
to the liaison team.
And, and
ROY ZIMMERMAN:
Yeah,
--
there's a lot of
more specific information that you provided on this
brief, getting into details about the seawater no
longer going into containment and not having core
10
cooling at the moment.
11
we're looking at providing at some time, or not
12
until we have additional confirmation?
13
can offer us in terms of discussing the information
that you provided us this morning?
This is
15
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
16
NADER MAMISH:
17
the EDO's office.
18
he gets in and see if
19
update.
20
him about that.
information that
Okay,
Anything you
Roy, well --
This is Nader Mamish in
We'll talk to Bill Borchardt when

he wants to put out an EDO
So, as soon as he gets in,
we'll talk to
ROY ZIMMERMAN:
Thank you.
22
VIC:
in that same spirit of
23
communication --
24
least in Region II,
25
public meetings,
Hey, Roy,
this is Vic in Region II
--
at
we start our ROP end-of-cycle
I think the first is
scheduled next
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week, and I know a number of things can change in a
dynamic situation, and things will be much clearer
by then.
But I'm certainly interested in making
sure that our branch chiefs and senior managers that
go out are well positioned to respond to any
questions that may come up in the media without
appearing to be either disingenuous or evading

questions.
So, between now and then, perhaps by the
end of the week,
12
provide an updated list
13
respond in,
14
that may come up.
it
may be worthwhile to update,

of Q&A's that allow them to
in the best way next week to questions
15
Is
16
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
there any plan for that?

Yeah, that, there's
17
been Q&A's working for the chairman.
1i
know that there's, there's, was a scheduled budget
19
hearing this Wednesday.
20
the press statements made by members that,
21
that that's going to be a hearing more about
reactors and the earthquake in Japan.
You all may
We understand from some of

that,
So there are preparations under way to
23
24
deal with that.
circulating.
There are Q&A's that have been
There are specific members of Congress

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who have asked for meetings with the Chairman
2
already.
We'll need to, we should get those
questions around.
and we also have talking points that Public Affairs
had provided for the Chairman.
to limit --
information.
I think around, we've got those
you know,
I think we're trying
everybody should have that
I think we're trying to leave it
to
the Chairman and OPA to do the actual speaking on

10
that.
have that when you're in individual engagements
11
with, with either industry folks or other feds in
13
your areas,
But it
14
1i
useful for everybody to
that you be conversant in that.

So we'll take an action to get that
around to all the office directors.

MARK SATORIUS:
1
17
think it's
Hey, Brian, it's
Mark
Satorius.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
MARK SATORIUS:
Yes, Mark?
I,
I think what Vic was
20
referring to, and I'm sensitive as well, is
21
should probably look at those questions and may have
22
Eric's organization look at them and either put
23
together a list
24
meetings when members of the public are going to be
25
there.
that we
for presenters at end-of-cycle
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I
I think that's where Vic was coming from
is
that --
I don't know that we need to do a lot of
work, but we just need to make sure that those, that
the list
responsive for a branch chief that may find himself
standing up in front of a number of local papers, et
cetera, and local people,
well.
of questions and answers are going to be
ELMO:
9
I0
11
VIC:
so that he can come across
Hey, Brian, this is Elmo.

That's, that's exactly what my, my
question was.
ELMO:
13
think the dynamic has changed.
Our strategy early
14
on was to work at headquarters,
the ops center and
15
the Chairman.
What we're going to find in the next
few weeks is
that dynamic was changed substantially.
Yeah, good.
This is Elmo.
17
We're going to have representatives out in public
18
forums in a big way, and we just need make sure we
19
arm them with the right information.
20
that's what we're talking about.
ERIC LEEDS:
Yeah,
guys,
So I think
this is
Eric.
22
The,
the folks in the ops center have been working
23
all weekend long on Q&As and questions, and they've
24
been getting help from OPA in OCA and our liaison
25
team --
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BILL:
ERIC LEEDS:
Research
is
--
And the Office of Research.

--
and the Office of
thank you, Bill.
And my understanding
that all this Q&A's have been communicated to the
regional RSLOs.
They should probably also go to, to
your public affairs folks.

7
VIC:
Hey, Eric,
II.
focused on the SLOs.
I,
this is Vic in Region
I've only seen one list

It's
of Q&A's.
It's
about page and a quarter,
10
and based on my review of those, that would not be,
11
in all likelihood would not be responsive to some of
12
the questions I would anticipate from members of the
13
public or media at our end-of-cycle meetings.
14
And that's partly what prompted me to
15
ask whether we had planned to put any additional
ones or perhaps a different set together in light of
17
those, those types of forums.
18
conducive to say, hey, go to the NRC website or call
the NRC ops center.
20
strategy with, with these kind of public meetings.
2
22
It may not be
We may want to take a different
ELIOT BRENNER:
Looking forward a little
Gents,
it's
Eliot here.
bit, we have a document
23
which is beginning to look remarkably like *War and
24
Peace, and it
25
answers that have been prepared for the Chairman's
contains multitudinous questions and
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use should he get ambushed in the next day or two.
2
3
4
It
will be made available widely across
the agency for use in circumstances just like this.

We don't want anybody to be standing up there
stammering.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
So, Vic, what you're
referencing with the RSLOs, we agree that was a
short list.
night.
10
That was put up quickly the other
We had a number of specific state requests
coming in,
and that's kind of what prompted us to
move,
say, more quickly on that piece.
I'll
But there, there are a lot more
12
13
questions.
14
the Reactor Safety Team, so you are pulling in the
15
NRR folks as well as the Research folks and working
16
on those Q&A's.
We've had several shifts in here with
VIC:
17
Got it.
One last thought,
and I'm
i1
probably already ahead of us on this, that clearly
1l
for those sites where we're going to do
20
end-of-cycles for BWRs and/or coastal plants, there
may be some unique questions that emerge from
22
members of the public or the media know there is,
23
that we are to be prepared for.
24
Brian.
25
ELIOT BRENNER:
Hey,
it's
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Would the RAs ask your Public Affairs guys to let us
know what end-of-cycle meetings you have coming up
in about the next two or three weeks?
VIC:
Will do.
JENNIFER:
Research.
This is Jennifer from
The agency has an ongoing tsunami
research program for both the East Coast and the
West Coast, so we'll be very well armed to respond
to questions about the threat.

BRIAN McDERMOTT:
10
Thanks, Jennifer.
We
1i
want to make sure those folks are looped in and, you
know,
13
out there already about CSI 199.
14
that's the seismic frequency?
with the idea that we had some communication
15
JENNIFER:
That's another
--
Yeah, that's the seismic
16
frequency on the East Coast and the Central part of
17
the US.
18
East Coast as well as the Gulf and on the West
Coast.
20
But the tsunami research is also on the
ROY ZIMMERMAN:
Brian, this is Roy
Zimmerman again.
22
thought about perhaps having --
23
very busy that's
24
trying to get something out of the staff.
statement could be provided over the loudspeaker,
Maybe a little
out-of-the-box
I know everybody's
directly involved in
this --
but
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you know, by the Chairman or his designee just to be
able to talk to the staff and share some of the
information (inaudible) at a high level and what the
agency is doing to add that personal touch.
It
would potentially go a long way.

6
The other option, again, is
trying to
get something out in writing.
getting all their news from the news,
I don't think
that's the most desirable situation.
So, just
10
the staff is
something to think about.
11
12
But if
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
We'll talk to --
you know,
Yep,
we got that, Roy.
we heard mention earlier
13
about an EDO update, but we'll coordinate that back
14
to the EDO's office about how they want to, you
15
know, talk to the Chairman about that, and we'll see
16
what we can do.
I understand your point,
17
ROY ZIMMERMAN:
18
BILL DEAN:
Thank you.
Yeah,
this is Bill Dean.
19
would offer if
20
it
21
that the regions and the sites get it
22
23
though.
the Chairman did something like that,
probably ought to be an email to the staff so
CHARLIE:
as well.
Brian, is Eliot still
there?
This is Charlie.
24
ELIOT BRENNER:
25
CHARLIE:
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I'm here.
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very positive news on TV last night quoting the NRC,
for once,
as the experts.
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15
10
11
12
13
14
15
17
CHARLIE:
Thank you.
18
MIKE JOHNSON:
Eliot, Mike Johnson.
At
19
some point after we've, after we've stabilized and
20
handled immediate concerns,
21
to new reactors.
22
--
23
make sure that we start thinking about those also.
So I just want to make sure that
I haven't seen the questions --
24
25
the questions will turn
ELIOT BRENNER:
but I want to
You're going to get to
be close personal friends with Ed Markey (phon).

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MIKE JOHNSON:
JACK GROB:
Yes.
Nader, this is
Jack.
Before
9:30,
what kind of people we need to send and where
is there a chance that we can sort out exactly
they're going?
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
8
Nader stepped out.
try to get that together,
Jack,
this is Brian.
But that was our goal.
We'll
I think, you know, BWR
10
experts and perhaps health physics types.
some thought that, that the Japanese have plenty of
12
health physicists and so forth, but the reactor-type
13
folks,
14
we're focused on at least for our notional list
15
we don't have specifics.
There's
severe accident folks, might be the ones that
16
ERIC LEEDS:
Hey, Brian,
if
this is Eric.
17
What I'd like to do is,
18
conversation this morning and all the good ideas,
what I'd rather do is default broadly and come up
20
with a, a good list
you know,
22
information, we can cull that list
23
expertise is requested.
2
25
you know, based on all the
of names with various expertise,
from each office.
So,
if
And then as we get more

for what specific
folks can bring us, you know,
like Jennifer mentioned,
severe accident experience,
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maybe we've got HPs that can help out in preventive
measures,
rather do is
list
expressed by the Japanese.
you know,
BWR 3 and 4,
down, depending on the actual needs as
Are we looking at adding sort
of management presence,
adequate,
what I'd
go abroad, and then we can cut that
JENNIFER:
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we --
you know, is branch chief
just to make sure the, you know, team is
working well together, tying everything together?

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I think at this point
we'd be looking to send technical experts to our,
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you know, to have the political sensitivity and be
13
able to interact with the Japanese counterparts
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directly, and not have to have layers of management
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included in a rotation over there.
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talking about likely having three people to cover
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one position around the clock.
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JENNIFER:
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
We've already
Okay.
Okay we are, just for
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your information, we are doing the briefing of
Commissioner's assistants.
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here in the Executive Team room at three, seven, and
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11.
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Commissioner assistants briefings.
trying to keep all the Commission offices up to
We're doing turnovers
At half past those hours, we're doing the

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speed.
The regional duty officers are pulled into
those calls automatically, so if,
the offices as well.
So,
if,
and the EOs for
you know, you're
looking for more information, that's a, another

opportunity to get updated.
We are sending around those status
updates.
There was one typo pointed out after the
distribution of the 0600 update.

it,
In one portion of
we talk about the, Unit 2 losing the ability to
10
inject seawater and in another place it
is injecting water.
12
now is
13
make sure you're aware of that bit of conflict in
14
that, internally in that document.
says RCICS
But the understanding we have
that there is no injection, so I just want to
okay,
if
that's it,
we'll, we'll try to
16
gauge and look for feedback in terms of subsequent
office director updates.
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Bill's walked into the room.
I think --
I see Bill,
In terms of additional office director
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20
updates going forward, is your eight o'clock call
the venue or do you want to keep it

BILL:
No.
separate?
I think, we could, for the
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office directors, they ought to just call into the
overall normal CA brief.

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Okay.
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I think.
Okay?
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BILL:
Rick is
Okay.
going to
--
all-hands meetings,
special for the office directors today.
but I'm not calling anything
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Okay,
I have some
Okay.
any other questions?
(No response.)
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TONY PIETRANGELO:
Hi,
Tony.
Hi,
Bill.
How are
you doing?
BILL:
Good.
Marty's actually got the
watch right now, but he's on a call with the
Chairman.
TONY PIETRANGELO:
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Okay.
Okay.
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heard, I was doing a taping and I heard you were
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trying to get, Marty was trying to get a hold of me.
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BILL:
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Brian, do you --
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I'm sorry.
does anybody know what
that's about?
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BILL:
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Sorry, Tony.
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gets in.
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No.
We're drawing a blank year.
We'll, we'll call you back when Marty
TONY PIETRANGELO:
Yeah.
Well,
Bill,
what we've been doing, just for your information, is
22
just informally updating each other, you know, about
23
twice a day since Friday on what we're hearing and
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what you're hearing.
Obviously, the,
the, the three Daiichi
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units are the ones of principal concern.
we had saw some,
3
4
.uncovered
You know,
some news report that they had
the fuel in Unit 2,
but now they
apparently have restored some kind of seawater

injection to that unit as well.
But I suspect they're going to have to
vent some hydrogen there as well, and, and we know
what happened on Units 1 and 3, so that could go
anytime when they start that venting.
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lose the secondary containment building again.
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TONY PIETRANGELO:
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And you could
Yeah.
I don't know if
that's consistent with what you're hearing.
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Yeah.
Yeah,
I think so.
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about 8-:00 p.m. and we've got people at night.
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we've got our conference room kind of set up as our
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I'm there generally from 6:00 a.m. until
But you can reach me anytime at
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BILL
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TONY PIETRANGELO:
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BILL:
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Okay.
And I'll,
All right?
we'll have Marty call
you back when he, when he returns.

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But
Thanks,
Okay.
Very good.
Bill.
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TONY PIETRANGELO:
Thanks,
Tony.
Okay.
Bye-bye.
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HOO:
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4
This is the Headquarters
operations Officer.
Were you expecting a call to
participate with the State Department in a CVTS?

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MALE PARTICIPANT:
I'm not familiar with
that one.
scheduled for eight o'clock, but that's an hour ago.
So, no,
There was a deputies call that was
I'm not, I'm not familiar with that.

Are they looking for us, or just
10
11
offering it?
12
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HOO:
Well, they were looking for the
highest ranking person in the agency.
14
MALE PARTICIPANT:
We would need to
reach over to the Unit 1 SCIF and see what the
16
status is of the ongoing call with, you know, the
17
deputies committee.
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HOO:
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
All right, sir.

The other option is,
20
if
they're looking to get somebody, we'll, we can
21
work to fire up the other CVTS over here in CVTS
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over here in
(inaudible).
HOO:
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Okay, thank you.
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Good morning, Brian.
Are you calling in for a particular meeting?
Brian
Winick?
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Okay,
Mike.
This is
Marty Virgilio.
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Okay.
(Laughter.)
MARTY VIRGILIO:
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Just kidding.
working on, we're working on the list
We're
of equipment.
I think that, really, between our
1i
1
Reactor Safety Team, which is,
13
the lead for that, Jim Trapp, and we need to make
14
sure we're coordinated.
15
Laura Dudes has got
I think Chairman Jaczko gave a very good
16
list
to need, and Jim actually was on the call.
18
nodded and said, yes,
right list.
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or will have something written down,
list
of the types of equipment we think we're going

And Jim
that, that appears to be the
But Laura's got something written down,

in terms of the
of equipment.
And so I take it
22
from what you've said,
23
Mike,
24
terms of getting the equipment into, into the
25
country.
that you all then will take it
from there in
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folks,
address that.
I'm here with the USAID
and they can, they can address that, help
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Well, we'll task it
out to the appropriate folks to get it
needs to go.
where it
MARTY VIRGILIO: Okay, now the other
issue that came up in
our phone call --
Chairman Jaczko --
do we need somebody to operate
is
We were talking here.
I was with
10
that equipment?
11
equipment is,
12
but some of it
13
complicated, and we need to be thinking about not
14
only bringing the equipment in but operational
15
support.
is going to be pretty easy to operate,

might be a little
bit more
Okay?
16
MIKE DUDEK:
17
an idea of what we're talking and --
18
Some of the
Okay.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
And can you give me
Imagine,
imagine if
we
19
brought in a very sophisticated fire truck.
20
would need somebody that understood how to operate
21
that.
22
expect the, the folks there at the site to be able
23
to operate it.
You
You couldn't just land that in country and
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Okay.
Does that make sense?
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MIKE DUDEK:
Yeah,
it
does.
So I think
at this point, whatever you need, whatever you think
they're going to need, even if
rather have too much than too little.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
with you and we'll --
7
8
Okay.
can we
it'll
LAURA DUDES:
So we'll work
--
some feedback,
I'll
do you think
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LAURA DUDES:
the email.
14
Okay.
(Inaudible) responding to
We'll get it.

MARTY VIRGILIO:
the list
get that to Jim, get
and probably within the hour.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
we'd
have?
11
13
redundant,
At one what point, Laura,
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1.
it's
Within an hour okay on
of equipment?
MIKE DUDEK:
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
Yep.
Okay.
Now, doubling
of NRC people, you think?
What skill set
18
the list
19
are you thinking that we need to provide over there
20
now?
MIKE DUDEK:
Well,
I think our
22
administrator just wants to be as proactive as
23
possible, so you guys need to make that call.
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
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Okay.
You know,
you've had some
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more than the six, then we'll
they need, and if
it's
facilitate that.
If
that's who we should send.
you think six is
MARTY VIRGILIO:
adequate,
All right, we're taking
our lead in part from Jim Trapp,
who is,
is over
there, and, you know, he's identified specific skill
sets he thinks he would like to have available or
that would be very helpful over there.
10
focused mostly on the type of people like Jim.

Okay.
11
MIKE DUDEK:
12
MARTY VIRGILIO:
13
And we're
The reactor safety
experts.
MIKE DUDEK:
14
Like I say, we'll follow
You just decide what you think
15
your lead on that.
16
they could use, and then we'll facilitate getting
17
them there.
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
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MIKE DUDEK:
Great.
I understand there's some
20
passport issues potentially, and we'll work that
21
through the State Department.

Great.
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
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The incident commander --
Thank you.
I,
I heard
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that and I was running through my mind who would be
best to do that.
You all are thinking NRC?

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MIKE DUDEK:
Well,
I think that would be
ideal,
think, had a lot of public relations experience and
can translate complex technical concepts to the
but it
needs to be somebody that has,
public.
6
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Okay.
I've got a
couple people in mind.
about NRC when that, when that was discussed on the
call.
MIKE DUDEK:
10
I,
I really wasn't thinking
Well,
I think it's
whoever
11
we can find that we think is best placed to do it.
12
It
13
ambassador is keen to get somebody out there
14
quickly, and I think he's right.
1i
you have somebody in mind, we'll certainly go with
16
your lead.
doesn't have to be NRC, but clearly the
MARTY VIRGILIO:
17
So, you know,
There were,
if
there were
18
two people or two skill sets that I think he wanted.
There was one skill set with the communicator that
could stand by his side in public meetings and, and
help him, you know,
concepts in terms that the public can understand.
And there was also, then, another skill set that was
desired.
overall response that, everything was that was going
express these detailed technical
That was somebody to coordinate the
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people then.
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I think we're talking two
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Yes,
I think we are
too.
Now I think that NRC is probably
positioned to do the public communications piece of

8
this, but the overall coordination of, of troops and
hardware and everything else, that's probably not
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our best suit.
MIKE DUDEK:
11
12
Okay?
Well,
on that one.
13
MARTY VIRGILIO:
14
look for the communicator,
15
overall coordinator.
All right.
MIKE DUDEK:
17
And then, honestly,
18
get us a list
19
better, especially if
20
passports,
21
as possible.
22
Okay.
Great.
as soon as you can
of names of who you want to send, the

you have folks that don't have
so we can begin to work that as quickly
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Okay.
We'll start
working on that.
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So we'll
and you guys look for the
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we, we can follow up
MIKE DUDEK:
Any other actions for me or
Jason down here?

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Anything else we can do
to help you?
MIKE DUDEK:
Just the names would be
(inaudible).
passport and visa expediting.
it
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get that, would be very helpful.
right now.
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The list
of names,
as soon as we can
of
materials.
The quicker we have the information, the
quicker that we can get this stuff processed.
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
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They're looking into
And, Mike, you said the list
10
2.
I've already talked to State about
Okay.
There's a flight
leaving at (inaudible) from Dulles to Japan.
15
MARTY VIRGILIO:
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All right, we're going to drop off if
17
All right.
there's nothing else.

MIKE DUDEK:
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Well,
just two additional
19
items.
specifically requested to talk to the Chairman, so I
think his secretary is trying to facilitate that
right now.
I think Mr.
[sic) from USAID has
2:
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Okay, good enough.
And also, the,
the more in
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Q&A's to be more proactive,
and as soon as we can
beef those up a little
I think,
bit,
I think the
teams have been working on them pretty diligently,
and the talking points.
down here would be greatly appreciated.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
So anything you can get us
Okay.
Will do.
Is
that it?
MIKE DUDEK:
MARTY VIRGILIO:
MIKE DUDEK:
That is
all.
Okay, NRC signing off.
Thank you.
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Eric
ERIC LEEDS:
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Hi,
guys.
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The experts that we're
Yes?
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
--
have-you identified
(audio interference.)
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
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What's up?
going to be sending to Japan --
ERIC LEEDS:
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Brian and
Marty here.
--
I'm sorry.
Say that again.
Have you identified
the experts that will be sending to Japan,
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ERIC LEEDS:
16
rundown,
17
my also office also.
Yeah.
by name?
Let me give you the
and maybe I need to give Bill --
Bill's
in
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Okay.
ERIC LEEDS:
and he's on his, his
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And,
Blackberry talking to Margie.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
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ERIC LEEDS:
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plan is
24
even,
25
And what I'm doing is
--
I've
talked all
So,
All right.
basically, what the
the office directors,
even Jody Hudson and Glen Payson at the TTC.

having everybody send us their
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Eric,
really do.
Eric --
That's too late.
we need the names now.
I mean,
we
We can't wait until two o'clock.

ERIC LEEDS:
Really?
That's --
okay.
had Nader on the call.
to be sending people until tomorrow so that we had
some time to work it.
9
10
He thought we weren't going
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
ERIC LEEDS:
They're putting
They're want them on a
flight today?
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
14
ERIC LEEDS:
15
No.
them on a plane today.
11
12
Yes.
Okay.
Bill's shaking his
head up and down.
16
All right, well,
then I've got to go
17
back.
18
now.
19
directors because I just got off the phone with them
20
and told them to give us the names by two o'clock.
21
So do you want me to have them give us the names by
22
11 o'clock?
Can you --
you know,
I understand we need it
I've got to go back to all the office
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
What time is it
24
Yeah, that would be good.
25
regional administrators too, Eric?
now?
And did you poll from the
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ERIC LEEDS:
Yes.
Yes.
I've got all
four regions working on it.
TTC, all the office directors here.
we're trying to get is
because we may want to send severe accident folks,
we may want to send somebody like a Chuck Casto, who
can work at the embassy.
sure that their passports are,

So,
10
a little
bit more time.
You know, I've got the
the type of expertise --
And also, we want to make
so, you know,
bit of work,
are current.
I'm asking them to do
so that's why I need a little
Does that make sense?
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
12
But things that
Okay,
there are
13
various skills that we're looking for.
14
think what we're looking for to start with is
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16
on a Reactor Safety Team with, and, and contribute.
17
four
For people that could serve
Right?
18
19
Okay?
Right now, I
ERIC LEEDS:
experience,
Understand.
BWR 3 and 4
yes.
20
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
ERIC LEEDS:
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Okay,
so that's four.
Okay.
Then there are other
23
calls that are being made for additional people,
24
which we'll work in parallel.
25
focus on those four experts.
But I need you to
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ERIC LEEDS:
2
that, but I can also get the severe accident
management folks.
you need HP folks from --
You know,
I don't know that they
Well, yeah, that's the
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
skill sets that we'll talk about in a minute, but I

7
think that you're on the right track to get us the
reactor folks.
ERIC LEEDS:
10
get, get a broad range.
up with a list
12
through.
right now is
today.
And I can
I expect I'm going to end
of 30 or 40 names that we can cull
Okay, but all we need
four on an airplane today.

We need four on an airplane
ERIC LEEDS:
15
16
Right.
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
13
14
Okay.
This is
I understand.
probably --
I heard six earlier, so
17
Marty,
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ERIC LEEDS:
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Yes,
and --
we'll work it.
--
==
Okay,
Okay?
and Mark Dudek
standing by at USAID to expedite any passports or
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you.
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Margie.
Okay,
I think --
Oh, very helpful.
this is
Margie.
Thank
I think
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--
I think
Okay,
I think
--
this is
Margie
--
ERIC LEEDS:
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Yes?
MARGIE:
Yes?
I've gone over with OIP staff
and I think, to make the team effective, don't tap
them into numbers of what you're doing.
I know this
will be fine with the Japanese.

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I haven't talked to Kirk yet, but I,
17
think Kirk is the perfect person for that.
18
walks in,
I'm telling you, he'll make things easier
for them.
Don't tap them into numbers when you're
20
trying to look at what you need technically.
21
When he
We should put one OIP person at the
22
embassy for that liaison activity so that we don't
23
have Kirk having to talk to someone at the embassy
24
that isn't NRC,
25
when we're trying to communicate and take things
because that would be very difficult
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That would be,
so my suggestion would be
one NRC person at the embassy that can also talk to

the ambassador and do, be our voice over there.
That would be my strong suggestion is
person
--
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
a
9
Okay,
Eric, do you want to just work
your four?
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Okay, we'll work that,
we'll work this offline.
10
11
to put an OIP
ERIC LEEDS:
Leeds here.
14
Yeah.
Yeah,
this is Eric
Anything else, or can I drop off?

BRIAN McDERMOTT:
You can drop off
15
because we're going to need to talk about other
16
experts that we're going to need there.
17
don't need you tied up to do that.

ERIC LEEDS:
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Good.
But we
I need to go work.
Thank you.
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Good.
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Good.
Greg, I'm
leads our humanitarian
--
operations officer.
Operations.
Could I
Yes.
Oh, thanks so much.
I just wanted to start by saying
thank you for your great leadership,
we're doing doing everything --
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put her, could I put you on speaker?
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How are you?
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Oh, please go ahead.
Sorry.
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I just wanted
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I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
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Did
we lose you?
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Q&A.
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one option
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
McDermott.
I'm in
Mark
MARK SATORIUS:
Hey,
Brian,
Hi,
Mark.
It's
Brian
here with Marty.
this is
Satorius.
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Hello,
Hi,
Marty.
Hi,
Brian.
just something for clarification,
that we had heard earlier from Marty,
earlier
10
in
the weekend for Marty and really from everyone,
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and I just want to make sure I got it
my public affairs officers are kind of upset with me
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because I kind of put out the word that, you know,
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if
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information about,
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and anything that has to do that and NRC's
17
involvement,
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or refer them to the headquarters operations
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officer, who will get them to the right Public
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Affairs people in
people get calls here in

you know,
right, because
the office asking for

the Japanese event and,
that the direction is
to provide them
Headquarters.
Am I right,
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
Yes.
MARK SATORIUS:
Okay.
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BRIAN MCDERMOTT:
still?
Yes.
And we've been,
some
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of the communications we've put out to the staff, as
reflected --
Eliot's been posting stuff there.
you know,
you can go to the NRC blog.
MARK SATORIUS:
Yeah.
I've been keeping
through the weekend on, on, you know,
calls, and I've not heard a policy change.
I think my public affairs officer thinks that if
somebody calls here in the region and wants,
they need to take that call.
with the
But, but
that
And I think that from
10
an agency perspective, we had decided to keep it
11
I've described.
12
So I'll
make sure that I work with them
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so they understand that, and if
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talk Eliot, they can.
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as
MARTY VIRGILIO:
they can need to
You,
you want
the
--
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regional public affairs officers should, if
they get
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calls,
We're
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still
refer them to headquarters.

looking for them to do that.
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SCOTT BURNELL:
They're coming in.

Good morning.
It's
Scott Burnell.
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Public Affairs is
behind the class (inaudible).
2
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Right?
MARK SATORIUS:
Hi,
SCOTT BURNELL:
Hi, Mark.
Scott.
It's
Mark
Satorius.
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MARK SATORIUS:
Good.
Hey,
just a
question, because Vika (phon) and I had just a very
short conversation because I've been busy with other
things, but it
the process that we would follow is
in the region or the residents got a call from
anybody involved with the news, or really anybody,
asking questions about the agency's response and
was my understanding that the, that

if
staff members
10
what's going on in Japan, that we would refer them
11
to the HOO,
12
in the response center.

And, and I think Vika's,
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who would then route them to you folks
the view that if
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I think, is of
--
SCOTT BURNELL:
I just, I just had a
phone call with Vika and Prima (phon) just a few
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minutes ago.
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MARK SATORIUS;
Yeah.
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SCOTT BURNELL:
But for after hours,
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absolutely, everything goes to the HOOs.
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business hours,
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media/public call, Vika and Prima will be the
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regional filter to determine whether or not it
24
kicked up to OPA headquarters,
they feel they can take care of it
staff and residents,
if
But normal
they get a
gets
or whether or not
themselves.
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Okay,
that --
at least I
can tell you from my situation, that change in

policy has not been communicated.
SCOTT BURNELL:
I understand.
MARK SATORIUS:
So you need to get it
out to the other RAs because they may be of the same
view as I,
matter.
and other office directors for that
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
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Yeah, Mark,
I was in
the same boat as you, so I'm glad we asked Scott.

SCOTT BURNELL:
11
Yeah,
I,
I will work
12
with the folks back on 16 and White Flint 1 to try
13
to get that word out, so that we're sending people
14
to the appropriate places.
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MARK SATORIUS:
Right, because, you know
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SCOTT BURNELL:
We got it.
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MARK SATORIUS:
Yeah,
16
--
yeah.
I think if
we make
policy changes like that, don't forget us out in the

2C
regions.
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SCOTT BURNELL:
Absolutely.
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Hey, thanks,
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the help, everybody.

Did you guys have anything else for me?
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thanks for
I'm going to drop off.

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That's it.
Okey-doke.
You bet;
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BILL BORCHARDT:
Hi, Marty?
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Yes, Bill?
BILL BORCHARDT:
Hey.
Dan Poneman is
having a 12:30 press conference, and the Chairman is

on his way down to the garage to drive down to the
White House for that.
So I don't know where you stand on that
10
analysis that was being done, but if
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you could have a phone call with him in about 15
minutes or so and email him anything you have, you
13
know, related to that, that would help him be, have,
14
you know, a little
15
conference.
we could, if
background for that press
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
Is he in the car yet?
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BILL BORCHARDT:
No,
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
If we can hand him
but if
--
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something from the Reactor Safety Team on the core
20
melt progression --
BILL BORCHARDT;
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All right.
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somebody, if
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catch him on the way out of the building.
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somebody runs down to P1, you might
MARTY VIRGILIO:
it.
If
We're on the way.
All right.
We've got
That would be much better if
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2
simplified top sheet and a more complicated bottom
sheet from the SORCA analysis.
BILL BORCHARDT:
Okay.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
We're also working on
the, the dispersion models,

issues.
8
9
11
call his cell to see if
All right, and I'll
I can get him to hang on.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Yeah, just hang on in
the garage for a minute.
12
13
That's not as mature so okay.

BILL BORCHARDT:
10
the health effects
BILL BORCHARDT:
I don't know if
you
don't always get a phone signal down there though.
14
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Okay.
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BILL BORCHARDT:
All right,
16
--
but otherwise,
and then --
give him a call in about 15 minutes.
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
All right.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Hi.
Can you tell
me
what this status of our assessment is?
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Chairman,
we just ran
down to the garage with a hard copy and we missed
you.
So there,
there's two pages to it.
And we're
talking now about the core degradation progression

analysis.
10
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
12
on it,
13
you would want to have.
14
sheet to it,
which is,
I think,
which is
And that's
got a second
from our SORCA analysis.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Okay.
That includes a lot
more detail.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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MARTY'VIRGILIO:
That's got a top sheet
the talking points that
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Yes.
that in
Okay.
Okay,
so we can get
the email to you right now.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
Okay.
We're,
from the
23
Protective Measures Team,
24
assessment we've done,
25
have the dose calculations that you would want to
we're documenting the
which is
really not going to
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It
will take us a couple more hours to get
there.
and the methods.
But I think we've agreed on the assumptions
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Well,
bottom line?
'what's the impacts going to be,'
tell
10
I have to answer the question
MARTY VIRGILIO:
to go back and look at --
I wouldn't want to
say.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
12
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Okay.
Let me get somebody
with--
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I think we would have
well,
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what would you
me right now?
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If
what's the
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
need an answer in
like 10 minutes.
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
is
10 minutes,
19
well.
Okay, but I need, I
Got it.
Okay.
and whatever you tell
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Call me back in
me,
email me as
Okay.
Okay.
Thanks.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Hey,
Marty,
can you
get the Reactor Safety Team and the Protective
Measures Team in
MARTY VIRGILIO:
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severe accident.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
And we've just sent you

Let's start with the
Yes.
and the Geller
--
(phon).
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
chairman.
Okay.
you should have the email.
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We're sitting right
We're sitting right here,
here.
they're not?
there as well if
Yes.
Do you have the email?
I do.
What I understand from that is,
So I read that.
so,
while not an
19
identical scenario, perhaps there similarities in
20
that scenario because the time that we've been
21
operating under this
me if
event.
So --
again,
I'm saying anything incorrect -What that analysis said,
23
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24
noble gas,
25
there's nothing in
and stop
I read that.
98 percent of
particulate matter, and that

there that would challenge our
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EPZ.
Is
a 10-miles a
that correct?
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Laura?
LAURA DUDES:
I don't know.
I,
I would
say that this is what the SORCA analysis ran by

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information that they have at this point.
Reactor Safety Team looked at it,
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believe that this is
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(inaudible).
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speak loud and clearly.
13
hear.
14
and they still
consistent with the bullets
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
12
And the
LAURA DUDES:
I'm sorry.
It's
Can you
very hard sometimes to
Oh.
Mr. Chairman,
the
15
SORCA analysis that was run on Friday, the Reactor
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17
bullets they provided you, the high-level bullets on
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top.
thinks that's consistent with the
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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those high-level bullets --
MARTY VIRGILIO:
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Okay, and what were

unpacked?
On top.
On top, the first page.
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We just talked about the progression of the accident
and the assumptions.
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Yes.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Okay.
No,
I'm, I'm looking
for bottom-line conclusion here.
LAURA DUDES:
Okay.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
I would give you the
bottom line to say that the core could in fact drop,
but we don't expect containment to fail.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
on this analysis,
Okay.
So we,
we believe the core --
so based
each --
so
extrapolating to the conditions we might have in
11
Japan, based on the analysis that,
12
that we've done, we could conclude'that we might see
13
a seal melt but that we would not go through the
14
containment,
primary containment.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
right.
some analyses
Right.
Those top bullets --
You're reading
it
17
the core material would relocate to the lower plenum
18
and, and it
19
molten core would drop into the basement, basically
20
into the dry well.
containment itself would fail.
would fail by the lower head, and the
But we don't believe that
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
22
that we believe that
Okay.
So, again, from
23
a release standpoint, we wouldn't be predicting a
24
larger lease at all.
25
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Right.
Not, not unless
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That's correct,
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
sir.
And a release that --
and so, again, there would be nothing that would
challenge the current, our current understanding of

their protective action recommendations,
namely,
approximately a 12-mile evacuation possibly with

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LAURA DUDES:
still
We think that they're
doing a good job there.

CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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hear you.
yes or no answers.
Please,
I'm sorry.
I can't
as much as you can, just give me
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LAURA DUDES:
14
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Yes.
That's correct.
Okay.
Can you give me
15
that information, again, with the very detailed
16
basis that you've given me --
17
for me --
18
summarizes that in about four or five bullets,
19
high-level,
20
Ambassador Roos?
that I could use to explain to
LAURA DUDES:
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
It's
very helpful
can you now give me an email that
that's
Yes.
Okay.
Thank you.
All right, Chairman.
on the way.
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Okay.
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everybody.
And again,
believe is
it.
Okay.
Good work,
stick to the facts.
credible,
But, but let's
believe it's
our hopes
make sure I know the caveats to

be okay saying something if
we
accurate.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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we have information that we
MARTY VIRGILIO:
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don't, we don't want to make the fact fit

and desires, but if
No.
Okay.
Okay,
good.
Thank
you.
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
no call.)
So we're working on
our the talking points for the two o'clock meeting.

6
We're working on trying to have most of the talking
points that everybody can use for these things.
guess so these are the talking points used for the
two o'clock meeting.
And then there was sort of a vacuum we
10
11
didn't fill
12
do with the states and who's communicating with the
13
states.
14
one-pager and get it
15
it
16
officers so they'd have that same level of
17
information.
this morning on the phone call having to
So what we're proposing is
take that
out to our RSLOs and then get
out to the governor-appointed state liaison
1s
FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
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FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
(Inaudible)?
Yes.
Okay,
so Josh just
came back (inaudible) they've been working at a high
22
level (inaudible) little
23
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bit more high level.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
it.
I thought --
Laura's working on
do we know if
MALE PARTICIPANT:
it
was sent or not?
Which one?
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That Laura
MALE PARTICIPANT.
I'd
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Anything else we need
(inaudible)?
to do?
FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
MALE PARTICIPANT:
FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
hang around the office
I was just
Okay.
I'm just going to
(inaudible) or whatever.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
11
12
No.
(inaudible) take off (inaudible).
10
check.
Okay.
Who can turn
up the television?
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
But which, which one,
15
what channel do you think his press conference is
16
going to be on?
17
MALE PARTICIPANT:
it's
White House,
it's
--
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
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I would think that if
conversation.)
It
would be on every
major network?
22
MALE PARTICIPANT:
We have CNN up there.
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
(Inaudible) taped
MALE PARTICIPANT:
I do too.
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
(Inaudible) the
watchdog.
Bill and Mike and I to handle the trip they're
supposed to take on Tuesday.
I think right now we're trying to rotate
So I think we want to
have one to three of us here on the dayshift.

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FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
Right,
and right
now he's got (inaudible) or something.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Oh.
10
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For the week.

Why don't we,
12
don't we switch that off between Mike and I?
13
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Okay.
So that you -- you
know.
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FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
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Bill free to do his whatever,
19
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20
give Mike and I a break on the weekend.
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why
On the day?
And that will leave
and we can wheel Jim
which would be really nice to
FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
that'll
work out.
Right.
Yeah,
Okay, so.
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Okay.
Switch Bill
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can --
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Are we trying to
scale back, or are we maintaining the same level of
support?
MALE PARTICIPANT:
We're going to need to support our
appropriate.
team on the ground there.
I mean,
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--
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I can
at least at this
once we have
Yeah,
I think I to
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sat in on this morning.

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calculations and everything they need.
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JOSH BASKIN:
Hello?
Josh Baskin.
Is
anybody there?
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
Josh Baskin, hello.
This is Brian McDermott.

JOSH BASKIN:
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Hello, Brian McDermott.
we sent an,
in3the
talking points that the two team worked so hard on,
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and copied Marty on it,
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so you should have it.
Could we extend in whatever way is the
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Chairman about this if he has any questions?
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not him
The ambassador is
fine with
in offering if
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Will do.
not, it's
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
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could we extend an offer
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he has any questions.

Got it.
And we are,
anytime is
We'll be back in the building in about 10
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Very good.
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BRIAN McDERMOTT:
going,
as we speak,
staffers,
BRIAN McDERMOTT:
on a conference call.
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It's
that in
No.
They had one yesterday,

JOSH BASKIN:
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interest,
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and it's
a,
similar
person?
No,
he's just in,
a scheduled conference
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And he's going to go through that.
JOSH BASKIN:
call.
any updates
off to talk with the Hill
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No.
coordinated with OTA,
talking points.
Any,
for him right now?
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and OTA covered it.
Okay.
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Marty's going to join this one.

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just the abbreviated versions of what we know
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Okay.
Thanks,
Josh.
Okay.
Okay.
Sounds good.
Thank you.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Hey,
Hello.
Chairman, Bill here.

Hey,
Bill.
Can we
make sure at some point we get the results of,
our assessment in
doing?
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of
one of these sitreps that we're
Yeah.
You mean attached than as
an enclosure or to the back of it?
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
You know,
I would
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actually suggest maybe just a high-level rollup of
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it.
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BILL:
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
--
you know,
Okay.
And just include it
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17
the analysis of the readings from the Naval ships.
in
kind of much like what we did with
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BILL:
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Yep.
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perfect.
And then that'll
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community.
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with NARAC and all
23
more detailed information.
I think that's
get it
out in
the
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those people,
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Yeah,
that's
like
we're sharing the
good.
All right.
Are we set with the
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Yeah.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
BILL:
--
Great.
and making plans.
There's --
I don't have any of idea exactly when
we have
we're actually going to be able to get them
airborne.
--
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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BILL:
Okay.
There's some talk about engaging
12
the White House to see if we could get a, a charter
13
plane or a military plane.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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BILL:
it'll
But that'll
be
Okay.
At the
work out.
I don't want to say --
it
very least,
could be as late as tomorrow morning but not later
than that.
--
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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Okay.
Okay.
And if
20
there's a problem, then let me know and I can weigh
21
in directly with the head of AID to, just to say,
22
you know,
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know if
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that.
if
we can expedite this, anything we can

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you're not making progress and I can do
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anything you all need?

BILL:
stopped up here.
Good.
Anything,
Are you all in good shape?
Yeah, I'll
let Brian go.
I just
Marty's actually on shift.
He's
briefing Hill staffers right now.

CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Good.
Let me just say that I watched
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the press conference on the CNN website,
it
think it
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I think.
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Yeah.
Anyway
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mean,
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23
in the loop and relying on us, so it
just seemed
really odd.
well,
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you heard it.
They were just uncomfortable.
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I don't know if
you didn't hear.
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But it
I mean,
just came out --
they've
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worked out.
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Yes.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
So,
hopefully --
was I
was in the right zone as far as accuracy and things
like that?
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Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't, I didn't
see any damage.

I think the thing we need to tell
10
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Poneman, and even maybe we can start communicating
12
to external cycles,
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mode, we're not so worried about being, taking
14
enforcement action.
is that if
We're trying to problem solved.
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we go into emergency
Yeah.
Yeah.
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the same boat.
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You don't know anything about
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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Okay.
No,
I've not.
So I was, we're trying to
figure out who to send to that, but we'll send some

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that
makes sense.
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That's all I have right now.

Okay, thanks Bill.
appreciate it.
15
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I can't reiterate enough,
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it's
17
statements because of the work that you all have
18
done to get me information, you know, and I have
19
absolute trust in everything that's coming out of
20
the staff, so just continue to provide me with, with
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reliable,
22
I'll
very easy for me to go up there and make
credible, timely information, and the best
do is just try and communicate that.
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We'll do our best.

Good.
Thanks, Bill.
I appreciate it.
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
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Good afternoon.
is Marty Virgilio in the ops center.
This
What I want to
do is give you just a brief overview of where we are

in terms of the status of the facilities that we've
been monitoring and just.give you a general update
8
on a few other items.

All of our attention this afternoon has
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1, 2, and 3.
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injection.
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damage to that reactor core,
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they were able to restore seawater
And although we believe that there is

at least the situation
bit more stable.

Unit 2,
what they've done --
if
you
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recall, on Units 1 and 3,
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explosion that took the roof and the sides off of
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We don't exactly know how that's being
accomplished; we just know it's
at this time.
being accomplished
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it's
essentially the same condition.
resumed injection, seawater injection.
in
They, they have
For all three units, we understand that
7
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there.
There's no challenge
And currently, there's no concern with
10
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11
Fukushima Daiichi units or any of the other units.
12
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13
any AC power and limited DC power,
14
have to keep an eye on on the central core in order
15
to ensure that that doesn't become an issue.
16
for the Fukushima Daiichi units, without

they're going to
Let me move on from the plant to give
17
you some general information.
18
let
19
information that we just reported on the plant, that
20
information has come via Tony Ulses, who is now on
22
shift supporting the ambassador in Japan.
22
And before I do that,
me just put a parenthetical on the --
on the
Just some general information.
We're
23
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24
additional equipment --
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the follow-up work we did from 9/11 where we
when you think about the 5B,
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such as diesel-power pumps,
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have provided a list
air compressors,
motor
We
of those kinds of things that
might be useful in helping to mitigate this
accident.
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ground there in Japan and knows essentially what
10
11
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who is on the
they have and what they might need.

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12
country, we have developed a list
13
experts that we are sending from NRC.
14
staff from NRR in the regions,
15
this group is being led by, by our regional deputy
16
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also going to serve in a broader role in
18
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19
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22
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23
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of additional
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Chuck Casto.
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throughout today with Congress,

Amy and I got,
congressional staff.
were in a briefing and gave them an
overview similar to the overview that I'm giving you
today.
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today.
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press release with the respect to, we don't believe
any harmful levels of radiation would reach the

United States and we're suggesting strongly that the
Japanese protective action recommendations are
11
consistent with the US,
12
should follow the Japanese recommendations.
13
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14
some accident progression estimates.
15
happen now if
16
and penetrate the reactor vessel?
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estimates of dose should there be a release.
18
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19
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20
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21
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in fact that fuel were to, to slump

We're also doing
We're
So that's sort of summary of where we
23
are and what we've been working on.
24
questions?
PAT CASTLEMAN:
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Do you have any
Marty, this is Pat
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In the latest status update or sitrep,
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water at high pressure to assist Tepco at its

Fukushima nuclear plant.
The question is what is USFJ?
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Yeah,
I think it's
short for U.S. Forces Japan.

MARTY VIRGILIO:
PAT CASTLEMAN:
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Did you hear that, Pat?

No,
I didn't.
United States Forces
Japan.
PAT CASTLEMAN:
Okay.
Sounds good.
Thank you.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
today's briefing.
Okay.
That concludes
I hope that was sufficient for
what you need.
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again,
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great, Marty.
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Marty, how closely are you guys working with Greg
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Okay, Marty?
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
until 3:47:48.)
How are things going,
folks?
JACK GROB:
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Things are going better here
than they are in Japan.

CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
How,
how are things in
Japan?
JACK GROB:
The, we have no new
We're going to be getting information
information.
12
from our folks on the ground there over the next
13
couple of hours.
We're expanding the staff in here at the
14
15
ops center to include a stronger component of
16
Protective Measures Team people.
17
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
18
JACK GROB:
Okay.
The most important thing
19
that I've heard recently is that there's expected
20
weather changes and, which will cause window shift
inland instead'about to see.
22
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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JACK GROB:
Okay.
And that changes the dynamic
24
of the protective measures aspects of this, and
that's why we're
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Hey,
I'm going to put
you on hold for just a second.

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(Standby.)
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JACK GROB:
Okay.
Are you still
there?
Yes.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Okay.
Now the last I
saw was that they are re-injecting seawater again.

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JACK GROB:
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That's correct.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
if
Okay.
And again, even
there's a wind shift, would we anticipate that
the, the 20-kilometer evacuation is,

13
JACK GROB:
is
On the surface,
inaccurate?
the
14
evacuation team,
15
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16
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We haven't heard anything about
17
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
JACK GROB:
Okay.
And we would likely be
22
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22
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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24
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to be consistent.
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Yes.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Correct.
Okay,
and that may be
just be --
may just be doing that, they're just not
communicating that to us because that may not be of
significant interest.
you know,
a lot of people are just, they
JACK GROB:
And also, the wind was going
out to see.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Yeah.
So, the wind
10
shift, for the wind shift, you're concern has to do
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12
the equivalent of EPG pathway issues.
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JACK GROB:
And that assumes that they
14
have actually successfully implemented the
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
JACK GROB:
18
roughly, it's
Okay.
Twenty-kilometers is
about 12 miles.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Yeah.
20
JACK GROB:
that, that should be
fine.
It's
Yeah,
consistent with what we would recommend.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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JACK GROB:
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Is
Yeah.
there anything else I can
answer for you, Chairman?
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Nope.
Did we get Mike
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JACK GROB:
MALE PARTICIPANT:
in.
Yeah.
He called back
He had to get somebody to forward the call.
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Have we gotten him yet?
JACK GROB:
when he calls in,
He's calling back in,
we'll connect you with him.
Do you want to listen to --
so
we're just
going through a team leaders briefing here at the

ops center.
10
Do you want to listen to this or do you
want me to put you on mute?

CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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Yeah, keep my mic on
12
just in case I need anything from you, but you can
13
mute your end.
JACK GROB:
Okay.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Because I just want to
16
make sure when I talk to Mike that we've got
17
everybody on the same page.
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Okay, thank you.
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(Standby.)
Okay,
thanks.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Hey,
MIKE DUDEK:
sir.
Yes,
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
MIKE DUDEK:
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
13
MIKE DUDEK:
14
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
AID is
telling me
so I told them you
just kidding.
What?
No,
I'm thinking long-term.
17
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
job.
Yeah.
Come back now?
(Laughter.)
no,
no,
I'm
Long-term.
You're doing a good
That's what I'm trying to say.
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MIKE DUDEK:
appreciate it.
Oh,
thank you,
sir.
I much
I'm here with Jason Kozel also.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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Hey,
Oh,
good.
Oh,
look, did you have our list
good.
of
folks yet?
24
25
Hey,
You mean back to the NRC?
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23
How are you?
got to come back.
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20
Good.
they don't want to let you go,
MIKE DUDEK:
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How are you
Good.
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Mike?
doing?
Mike?
MIKE DUDEK:
We do.
I was just sent the
nine names and cell phone numbers.
We were going to
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have to call them each individually,
additional information because it's
bit more in depth than we originally thought.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
I think, to get
getting a little
Okay.
What do you
need from us in order to get those folks on the next

available flight?
7
JASON KOZEL:
to give you the list
email to shoot it
Okay, hold on.
of stuff.
I'm going
I'm crafting an
out.
10
Is this Josh?
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
No.
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JASON KOZEL:
I'm sorry, Chairman.
14
Yeah,
12
Jaczko.
Oh,
I've got a list
15
we just got it.
16
got a flight at eight o'clock.
of information.
We've got Chuck Casto set up.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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JASON KOZEL:
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This is Greg
He's
Okay.
The thing is,
due to the
physics, nobody can get there until Wednesday.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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JASON KOZEL:
What's that?
Nobody's going to be there
22
until Wednesday just due to the law of physics.
23
There's no route that can get them there before that
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because of the time difference.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Okay.
So what flight
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JASON KOZEL:
The folks out of DC are
going to get on the 10:15 flight out of Dulles.

CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
JASON KOZEL:
Okay.
And we're working on, Mr.
Casto's got an eight o'clock flight to, to Tokyo

right now.
8
He's headed to the airport right now.
He got his tickets.
And then we're working on the
folks from Philly and Chattanooga as well.

CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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guys,
12
understand that?
you guys got them?
JASON KOZEL:
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MIKE DUDEK:
15
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Absolutely,
Absolutely,
JASON KOZEL:
mission is
You
sir.
sir.
And you're going to
That's what our whole
right now.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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again,
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there's anything I can do,
if
Okay,
and anything,
you need anything to get them there,
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JASON KOZEL:
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MIKE DUDEK:
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So you
make sure they get there pronto?
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Good.
They're yours now.
13
16
Okay.
if
you call me directly.

Yes,
Yes,
sir.
sir.
We understand
that.
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there's any
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they've been doing a
They are fantastic down
there.
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problem,
talked to their legal.
around,
care of it
sir.
There,
later.
It's
If
any roadblock,
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administrator directly.
you tell
they're going to take
not a big deal.

Good.
And if
there's
me and I'm going to call the
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MIKE DUDEK:
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
MIKE DUDEK:
Yes,
sir.
We understand.
Okay.
Thanks,
guys.
Do you need anything else
from us?
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
No.
I just need you
to come back to work here eventually.
(Laughter.)
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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We
there's any issues
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
no
We've worked everything out.
about paying people,
10
there is
We understand.
Yeah.
No problem,
Okay.
sir.
Thank you.
Goodbye.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
JACK GROB:
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Yes,
JACK GROB:
8
that,
and it
Hello?
Chairman.
How are you?
I'm great.
catches me by surprise every time.

CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
10
Well,
JACK GROB:
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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JACK GROB:
right now,
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it's
good
I'm always great.
I'm,
Good.
we could be Japanese
and have three melting reactors.

CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Oh,
gosh.
So what do
we know?
JACK GROB:
17
18
it's,
to hear you saying you're great.
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14
You always ask
you got at 2:45 is
The information sheet that
still
our current information.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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JACK GROB:
The entire team is
21
listening to you,
22
Protective Measures Team.

I,
23
Okay.
here
the Reactor Safety Team and
I informed you briefly
24
Eliot's also here --
25
wind shift.
that,
earlier
--
and
that we're anticipating a
The decision was made this past weekend
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Team here in the response center.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
JACK GROB:
Yeah.
Since then, we've had two
more units that have damaged fuel, and now it
appears that we're going to have some weather
shifts, so we're going to become more robust and our
capabilities to do protective measures work.

CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
9
10
JACK GROB:
Okay.
And dose assessment,
1.
meteorology,
12
types of skill sets.
13
hours, we'll be expanding in that area.
14
the geography people,
all of those
So over the next several
We talked about the,
the operations
15
center status update that we issue roughly every
16
eight hours out of this facility.
17
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
18
JACK GROB:
19
Um-hmm.
We're going to be issuing
one of those around nine o'clock.
20
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
21
JACK GROB:
And it
Okay.
will include an
22
update of the information that's in there as well as
23
it
24
based on what we know and what we think we might
25
know..
will include a new section that is projections
And they're very carefully crafted.
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what we would project over the next several days for
the condition of the reactor, the condition of the
spent fuel pool,
and. and radiological conditions.'
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
And I,
I just caution
that we just are very careful that we don't --
mean, so far we've not really done a lot of forward
projecting, and I just, I just want to make sure
that we're not putting out anything that later we
may be inaccurate with because, you know, that's --
10
the biggest danger is
11
we do that and we're wrong, we lose all our
12
credibility.
13
14
that we say something, and if
JACK GROB:
Okay.
We'll be very careful
in that regard.
15
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
16
JACK GROB:
Okay, good.
We also talked with Eliot
17
about the need for possibly a press release since
18
the agency's posture with the dispatching of the
19
team is
20
that's an appropriate time for a press release.
changing,
and it
would seem appropriate that
22
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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JACK GROB:
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25
Okay.
We have information that you
received of the various times the folks are leaving.

We'll finish getting those factual details and
Eliot will be developing a press release.
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Okay,
great.
And,
Eliot, can you work with AID on that?
Or,
ELIOT BRENNER:
will share it
is Eliot on?
I am,
I am on, and I
with them.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Good, because I think
at this point, we've identified them for AID.
They're in AID's hands at this point, and to some
extent,
they cease kind of being NRC folks right
10
now.
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kind of response team.
They're going to be part of an AID government
12
ELIOT BRENNER:
Okay,
do you just want
13
me to give them information the information to fold
14
into their package?
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Yeah,
maybe.
Yeah.
16
Just, just give them a ring and see what they're
17
doing.
18
separate release?
19
they want to do it.
Ask them, do they want us to put out a

Do they want a release?
20
ELIOT BRENNER:
22
JACK GROB:
Okay.
However
Will do.
The only other thing that I
22
want to let you know is that we were contacted by
23
the Department of Health and Human Services and they
24
were asking very high-level safety questions
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
JACK GROB:
--
--
Okay.
you know,
search and
rescue teams,
information to Health and Human Services in response
those inquiries.
things like that.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
JACK GROB:
And we provided
Good.
I think that's it
right now,
sir.
TIM McGINTY:
10
This is Tim McGinty.
Right when you came on, we were talking about a
12
series of requests that we're getting from our RSLOs
13
in the region.
14
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
15
TIM McGINTY:
Okay.
So I was working with
16
Eliot to, to get to a set of information that, that
17
we can provide to the RSLOs,
18
the types of questions that you might expect to hear
19
from congressional interests as well as, obviously,
20
from individual states.
and it's,
it's
kind of
21
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
22
TIM McGINTY:
23
and we're getting a lot of questions,
24
trying to simplify into a relatively generic set
25
Good.
But we're going to try
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
--
and we're
--
Good.
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TIM McGINTY:
--
that we can provide
equivalently, and I'd like to see if
direction in that regard.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
you have any
Can you, can you have
the Liaison Team reach out to FEMA?
also has very good contacts with state and locals,
and they have their whole kind of emergency
infrastructure and contacts with the states.
Because FEMA
So we
just want to make sure that we're talking with one

10
voice, as they're likely getting the same kind of
1I
calls from state and locals.
12
TIM McGINTY:
13
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
14
JACK GROB:
I can make sure of that.

Okay.
Thank you.
Okay, very good.
What would
15
be your expectation, sir, for an update later this
16
evening?
17
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
It
sounds like I'm
18
hearing you'll have an update about nine o'clock, so
19
why don't we,
20
the sitrep, so why don't we plan to have nine
21
o'clock be the next update for me.
22
JACK GROB:
23
you have a new, a new issuance of
That sounds right, sir.
We'll do that at nine o'clock.
24
25
if
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Okay.
And again, is
something changes in the situation, don't hesitate

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JACK GROB:
Very good.
Thank you,
sir.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
CHUCK CASTO:
Yes,
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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CHUCK CASTO:
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Hey,
Chuck?
sir.
How are you?
Good, sir.
Hey,
I just wanted to
give you a sendoff before you get ready to get on a
10
plane.
11
about to go do is.
12
has, and the nation really, has a tremendous
13
confidence in you and the role you're going to be
14
playing coordinating a lot of activity for the
15
ambassador in Japan in what is a very, very
difficult situation.
I can't tell you how important what you're
17
I have, the agency and everyone
I personally promised him and the
18
administrative AID that we'd send them a strong
19
person, and Bill and I were both very comfortable
20
about you, you're going to do a great job over
21
there.
22
CHUCK CASTO:
23
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Oh,
thank you, sir.

And you are, you and
24
your team are there to help the ambassador in any
25
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shape, or form that you can help the

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so I really appreciate your willingness
to do this.
You're going to be a tremendous help
to, to, to the country of Japan and the United
States government.
So, if
directly.
7
8
you need anything, you call me
But you know, the ambassador is your guy.
Anything you mean he needs, you do whatever you

need for him.
CHUCK CASTO:
I understand that.
And
10
you know, it's
11
people here in the NRC and others in the, in the
12
United States,
13
us.
I know they're there for reserves for
I know that.
14
15
a great team behind us and all the
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Excellent.
Well, be
safe and have a good, safe trip.
16
CHUCK CASTO:
17
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
18
CHUCK CASTO:
Thank you, sir.

Okay.
Thanks,
Chuck.
Goodbye.
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MJ:
Hey, Marty.
This is
wants to talk to you.
coffee right outside the door.
MJ.
Jack
He just ran to get a couple
MARTY VIRGILIO:
That's okay.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Thanks.
I can
hold.
he'll
II
calls,
be right back.
Yeah,
I think
We just had a couple briefings
talked with the Chairman,
so maybe that's
what he wants to update you on.

MARTY VIRGILIO:
13
Great.
That would be
14
terrific.
15
need a better system because people are emailing me
16
thinking that I'm picking up e-mails while I'm in
17
the ops center and so I've got a few things to share
18
with you.
19
20
And I'm downloading emails that
MJ:
Oh,
okay.
Great.
we
Here comes Jack
back.
21
JACK GROB:
22
stepped out to get a cup of coffee.
I apologize,
23
MARTY VIRGILIO:
24
JACK GROB:
25
--
I wanted to
Marty.
That's quite all
right.
There was just one item that
make sure you're aware of.
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
Okay.
JACK GROB:
the decision this past
The,
weekend that you folks made to, to not fully staffed
the PMT,
more reactors melt fuel, and now we've just heard
that there's a.weather change,
change,
since that has occurred, we've had a couple
a weather pattern
and the winds may shift such that they're
not blowing out to see but blowing inland.

9
Because of that, we thought it
apropos
10
to get a full complement of PMT,
PMT in
12
folks, leadership, as well as the geography folks
13
and we're going to be staffing of the PMT this
14
evening.
here --
1J
meteorologists,
MARTY VIRGILIO:
a critical mass of
dose projection
--
I think that's the
16
right way to go, Jack,
17
with the Chairman's desire that we have better dose
18
projections.
19
20
and that also will help us
So I support you doing that.

JACK GROB:
Okay, very good.
And you
said you had some things for me.
21
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Yeah, a couple of
22
things.
I got, I got a call from somebody that I
23
think is
rather credible with respect --
24
like you to pass this on to the Reactor Safety Team
25
--
and I'd
that one reason that they, we may be seeing the
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buildup of pressure in the reactor building could be
the lifting of the flange whenever the dry well
pressure exceeds 65 pounds.
team has considered that, but I would just put that
out there.
JACK GROB:
MARTY VIRGILIO:
is,
I don't know if
The lifting
the
of --
We had, we had --
whenever the dry well pressure --
this
look at the
diagram or think about the diagram of that design.

10
We've got a plug at the top of the containment.
JACK GROB:
12
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Okay.
And I was operating
13
under the assumption that, you know, venting through
14
standby gas treatment system without the system
1i
operating could have been part of the reason why you
were getting the buildup of hydrogen up in the
17
secondary containment.
18
JACK GROB:
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Okay.
But it
might also be
20
that the dry well head, that, that flange there,
that bolted flange,
22
pressure exceeds the 65 pounds.
lifting when the dry well
23
JACK GROB:
24
MARTY VIRGILIO:
25
I understand.
So,
just food for
thought, not that anything needs to be done with

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Safety Team for them to consider.

JACK GROB:
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4
If
they have some questions,
is that somebody that they can call?

MARTY VIRGILIO:
Not, not anybody that I
would follow up on, but I'd, I'd just leave it
there.
JACK GROB:
8
9
10
it.
Okay.
I,
I never thought of
We'll look
That's an interesting question.
into that.
That's an interesting point.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
12
JACK GROB:
13
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Okay.
Anything else?
Now,
the other thing
14
was when I was leaving I went and I talked to the
15
Reactor Safety Team about --
16
Protective Measures Team about, and the Reactor
17
Safety Team,
18
Safety Team.
19
to do was provide additional information, the
20
background information that we had given the
21
Chairman to support his discussion on the accident
22
progression.
both --
but it
I'm sorry; the
really was the Reactor
And what, what the Chairman asked us
Laura Dudes had
23
And what we had done is,
24
that one-page sheet of bullets and then she had
25
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JACK GROB:
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Yeah,
that's in process.
Yeah, I just want to
make sure you have his email address.
JACK GROB:
Okay.
They,
they've been in
contact with him, so I'm pretty sure they have this,
but now I have it
and I'll
make sure they've got it.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Okay.
The last thing
I'm still
going through
that the Chairman asked --
12
these emails --
13
Team reach out to the Army Corps of Engineers
is
that,
that we have the Liaison
14
(Off-mic conversation.)
15
JACK GROB:
16
MARTY VIRGILIO:
17
and I'll
--
Okay.
There's a
give you his phone number.
It's
18
19
20
JACK GROB:
common nameM
Is that
MARTY VIRGILIO:
22
JACK GROB:
Yes,
common name
And what's the focus for
this?
24
25
as in the
21
23
MARTY VIRGILIO:
if
They were trying to see
there was anything they could do to help --
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
Okay.
--
with respect to the,
our response to the nuclear accident.

JACK GROB:
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Okay.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
And just add
to the
list
anything that they can do to support us or the
Japanese government.
of people to interact with to see if
JACK GROB:
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Okay.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Will do.
That's it
for us for
right now.
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Hey, Marty, before you hang up,
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just in case you have the answer,
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the team --
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BILL:
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they have
of that?
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It
the charter for
Yes.
Where is that?
What's the status
was --
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Okay,
I,
I had marked
1i
up and given it
20
further, consistent with the direction we were
21
going, and we give it
22
Nader and Nader have it.
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version and he was making the changes.
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to Josh.
back to Nader.
JACK GROB:
that it
Josh marked it
up even
I handed it
to
He has the electronic
I,
I just heard a minute ago
had been affirmed by the Chairman,
and I was
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under the impression that it
issued to Casto.
Bill, you're going to sign that out to
3
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Casto?
Is that the deal.
BILL:
I haven't
MARTY VIRGILIO:
it
that's
--
what I'm
No.
I,
I haven't seen
come back from Nader -MJ:
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No,
asking.
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was going to be shortly
--
copied it
or seen it
something,
so.
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
Do I have to sign it,

No.
or?
There was no
13
signature block for you.
14
paper.
15
objectives and activities that we expected Chuck and
16
the team to accomplish.
17
18
It's
It
was just a one-page
a piece of paper that laid out what the
JACK GROB:
Okay.
We'll,
we'll check
into just administratively how, how to handle that.
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Yeah.
And I,
you know,
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Bill and I had talked earlier today.
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know it
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to Chuck so that he knows that this, this is
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marching orders.
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needs to be signed.
JACK GROB:
I don't even
But we need to hand it

the
Chuck's in the car on the
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
I'm just going to
JACK GROB:
Anything else?
Marty,
MARTY VIRGILIO:
email that.
I'll
Okay.
anything else?
be here a little
Not from my end, but
while longer if
you need
anything.
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JACK GROB.
Okay,
MARTY VIRGILIO:
very good.
Okay,
Thank you.
thank you guys.
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JACK GROB:
Yeah, this is
Jack Grob.
I'm leading the Executive Team in the ops center at
the NRC right now, and I've got Bill Borchardt here
as well.
MIKE DUDEK:
Good evening, gentlemen.
just wanted to give you a quick update.
have a confirmed the flight confirmed the flight for
We,
we've
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Mr. Casto.
11
this evening,
12
at 1:30 p.m. on Wednesday.
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expeditious flight, direct flight that we can find
14
to him.
15
up from the airport and taken to the embassy.
He'll be leaving Atlanta at 8:05 p.m.

and he'll be arriving in,
in Japan
was the most
And also, a car will pick him up, directly
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JACK GROB.
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MIKE DUDEK:
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in,
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It
in,
Okay.
He will be staying at Hotel
in Japan.
He'll be staying
with the rest of the USARC teams.

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Okay.
And do you have
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departures and arrivals for the remainder of the
team?
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of Headquarters.
folks?
That,
that's the folks out
What about the Region I and TTC
MIKE DUDEK:
now.
We're working on that right
We're working on that right now,

JASON KOZEL:
10
right now,
12
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An 11:15 flight tonight out
of Dulles.
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An 11:15 flight tonight
We're working on that
sir.
JACK GROB:
assume,
sir.
Okay.
And the 11:15 p.m.,
arrives on Wednesday afternoon.
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MIKE DUDEK:
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JASON KOZEL:
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JACK GROB:
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
Eliot Brenner's
17
working on a press release to, to notify the public
18
of this change in response that we have,
19
need some of these details.
20
you connect with him, he just walked in the room
21
here.
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and I heard it
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so he'll
If you could make sure
You took my name in vain
all the way out there.
JACK GROB:
Casto's going to arrive at
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folks from here will be arriving later in the
afternoon on Wednesday.
on the TTC flights and the Region I flight.
have an email address that they can send this to
directly on?
And the rest of the
And they're still
ELIOT BRENNER:
It's
Yeah.
working
Yeah.
Eliot.Brenner@NRC.gov.
MIKE DUDEK:
Yes,
as soon as we get, we
10
confirm all this information, we'll send it
11
everyone.
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ELIOT BRENNER:
13
MIKE DUDEK:
14
contacting information.
15
bogged down.
16
individually.
17
information and Social Security numbers,
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personal phone calls.
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an email.
out to
Great.
We're still
working on
We've got, we're getting
We've got to call each person

We've got to get some banking
so it's,
We didn't want to send around
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JACK GROB:
Thanks, Mike.
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All right.
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Do you
Okay,
sounds good.
Thank you,
gentlemen.
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JACK GROB:
it's
Hey, Marty.
Marty.
How are you
doing?
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Jack,
MARTY VIRGILIO:
All right.
I just got
off a call with NEI.

JACK GROB:
Yeah.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
And I just wanted to
10
share one thing that you may be aware of but I
wasn't when I left.
12
is
a crack in
13
There's some speculation that
the torus of Unit 2.
JACK GROB:
It's
interesting that you
14
say that because we're just getting information,
15
there was a hydrogen blast on Unit 2,
the phone in
the other, other room,
17
the torus is
damaged.
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
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JACK GROB:
Okay,
and they believe
good,
so it's
--
And the other thing that ---
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the wind has actually shifted and it's
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out of the northeast.
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going inland towards the southwest.
now blowing
And so any releases would be
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and Trapp's on
Yep.
The projections on releases
with the containment intact are completely
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Now--
MARTY VIRGILIO:
JACK GROB:
Right.
-- I mean,
this is beginning
to feel like an emergency drill where everything
goes wrong and you can't, you know, you can't
imagine how these things, all of them, can go wrong.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
JACK GROB:
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sense of --
But we're trying to get a
the children just walked in.
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JACK GROB:
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Okay.
We're trying to get a sense
of what this means right now.
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you.
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information I'm picking up.
Okay,
I won't distract
I just wanted to make sure you have the same
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Yeah.
Yep.
Okay,
thank you.
All right.
Call me if
you need me.
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Okay.
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We're getting new
information both the Japanese through these

conferences but we're also getting new information
as of 10 minutes ago from a United States aircraft
carrier that's in Tokyo Bay.
JASON KOZEL:
JACK GROB:
Okay.
And we're trying to
understand that information and interpret it,
11
don't have a good answer for you right now.
12
JASON KOZEL:
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JACK GROB:
and I
Okay.
Based on the information we
14
have currently, the protective action
15
recommendations that the Japanese government issued,
16
which was evacuate 20 kilometers,
seemed reasonable.
The, but like I said, this issue, this situation is
17
And I,
I would stay in reasonably close
18
evolving.
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contact with us.
20
an hour and a half and we should have some
21
additional information.
22
happens,
You know,
something significant
we'll give you a holler.

JASON KOZEL:
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If
call back in an hour or
Okay, that's great.
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that, I think that will be fine for the
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And
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Yeah, that's fine.
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I can make that point.
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counterproductive at this point.
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JASON KOZEL:
It's
just, it
would be
Right.
Okay.
I think that'll
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it.
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have any take backs from that, I'll
14
back.
I'll
And I,
go back and brief the administrator.
JACK GROB:
JASON KOZEL:
do
If
give you a call
Thank you very much.

Good.
And you'll hear
back from either me or Chuck Teel (phon) to you

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within the hour.

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Okay.
Thanks.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
JIM TRAPP: Yes?
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Greg Jaczko.
All right, this is
I'm here with MJ and Jack Grob.

JIM TRAPP:
Jim?
Oh, okay.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Hey, we have a --
Do you have any
updated information for us?

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Yeah.
Now this is another
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subject, but I think this takes precedence over the
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issue of the reactor at the moment.
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JIM TRAPP:
Yep.
What we have going on is
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admiral who has a Navy base at Yokosuka
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spelling is
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measured with instrumentation TEDE,
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a TEDE of 1.5 millirem per hour.
Y-O-K-O-S-U-K-A --
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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JIM TRAPP:
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its
believes that he has
he's estimating
Okay.
He believes he has, thyroid
doses of 10 millirem per hour.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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--
an
microcuries,
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levels of
Okay.
And I believe a contaminant,

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--
That's what I got.
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JIM TRAPP:
--
for contamination levels.

Okay.
This location is
approximately 188 miles from the site.

CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Okay.
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Do we know the source
of the data?
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It's
direct measurements,
and he believes that he's confirmed them on multiple
instruments, and he believes it's
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shift.
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south-southwest recently, and he believes that the
25
plume coming out of the plant, then, would be
due to a wind
You know, we did have a wind shift to the
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about 10 hours,
total dose of,
the wind shift.
he believes,
about 10 millirem before
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5
is
which would give you a
Okay,
and is
that it
a dose --
JIM TRAPP:
And he's just integrating,
you know,
10 hours times the 1.5, which is,
basically that's what he's doing.
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JIM TRAPP:
but
Yes.
But, but the, you know,
the
12
problem is that Tokyo and a lot of other big
13
population areas are in the intersection between the
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plants and this base.

CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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Jim, I think that the

if
I go back to the
interesting question for me --
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statements I've made,
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I have encouraged people to
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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What's the time
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The admiral believes that
we're talking in the two-hour timeframe.
taking it
to
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Jim.
I mean,
I'm sorry,
That's a question I was asking here.
JIM TRAPP:
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
we can have an answer to that question?

JIM TRAPP:
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Oh, I'm sorry.

How long do you think
Our backstop is probably two
hours here.
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Okay.
We will, we
will work to get you something sooner than that.
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Very well.
Thanks so much.
Okay.
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--
we have with our
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modeling.
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out to sea.
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factor of four for what model (inaudible).
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Our modeling is
designed to go out to go
I don't (inaudible) translate that by a
Well,
what we're
22
planning is
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saying that this shouldn't be happening.
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He's
we're running this conservative --
we're
Right, because you
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Or something like
that.
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Right.
JACK GROB:
now.
So they're crunching numbers
If we have to, we'll get in contact with DOE
and see what they can do.

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Let's do that
right now.
9
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Right.
JACK GROB:
What we've done is we've
pushed the extent on what our model can do.

CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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Let's, let's contact
12
DOE right now and ask them first if we need to do
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the modeling.
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MALE PARTICIPANT:
Pam is on her way in.
She recommended that you (audio interference).
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don't you to give a shout out to Joe and see if
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maybe
--
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Why
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
Okay.
We can do
that.
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Hey, Jim?
JIM TRAPP:
Yes?
JACK GROB:
You know, we got some
information from an admiral at a Navy base just a

little
bit south of Tokyo.
JIM TRAPP:
Yes.
JACK GROB:
And that information is
10
troubling to us because it
11
substantive detectable radiation at his base.
12
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JIM TRAPP:
indicates because
Correct.
I just provided
this information.
14
JACK GROB:
Right.
And, and we don't
15
understand that, and we were wondering if
possible to contact either that admiral,
somebody on his staff who would be knowledgeable of
18
these measurements,
19
confidence they have in them.
how they were made,
JIM TRAPP:
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it's
admiral,
and what
Yeah, absolutely, and I
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think the plan on that issue is going to be to put
22
some sort of a conference call together that would
23
give you the ability to, to check the validity of
24
the data.
JACK GROB:
or
And, and how can we do that?
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Okay, so do you expect that
that will be happening in the next 30 minutes or so?

JIM TRAPP:
I,
I don't know about the
next three minutes, but

JACK GROB:
I said 30.
JIM TRAPP:
Oh, absolutely.
Thirty.
It'll
be
done in 30 minutes.
JACK GROB:
Okay, and can you make sure
that we're plugged into that?

JIM TRAPP:
Oh, you're an essential part
JACK GROB:
Okay.
JIM TRAPP:
I think he's really looking
of this.
for you guys for a recommendation.
JACK GROB:
The dose rates at his
location are fairly low, but what's very confusing,

as I'm sure you can imagine,
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JIM TRAPP:
I agree.
JACK GROB:
And so there's some
fundamental issues here with respect to --
I,
always like to believe my indications.

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Yes.
JACK GROB:
And I'm struggling a little
10
JIM TRAPP:
Yeah,
JACK GROB:
Is
bit here.
as am I.
there anything that you
12
can do, that you can think of doing, to give us
13
additional data to either confirm or deny what we're
14
seeing at this Navy base?
measurements more real-time from the Japanese?
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I, I,
I don't know the
answer to that.
JACK GROB:
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And can we get field
a little
Okay.
Can you, can you push
bit?
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you
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certainly are going to have a chance to challenge
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the validity of the data that's
20
base.
being taken at the
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JACK GROB:
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Okay.
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Yeah,
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Okay.
just, we're being pulled in
Thanks,
Jim.
aid I apologize.
It's
lots of directions.
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Reactor Safety Team.
I don't if
I can understand that.

And if
possible,
if
I could
Bill Ruland's there with the
BILL RULAND:
Yes.
10
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The latest explosion appears not to have
15
It
appears to be some
16
been a hydrogen explosion.
17
sort of explosion, either a hydrogen explosion in
18
the primary containment building or, you know, my
19
worst fear has been that we, we finally got the
20
steam explosion.
21
breached the primary containment.
22
would need a lot of details.
23
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And they do believe they've

And certainly, we
And, and leverage that as
BILL RULAND:
hard as you can to get --
JIM TRAPP:
Absolutely.
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information.
unacceptable.
The paucity of information is
JIM TRAPP:
To get real-time
Now here's,
just
the other issue
would be is we're going to see if
willing to tap in the Headquarters ops center on the
call.
they would be
Now, the only thing that might be a little
bit difficult is
I think the briefing is probably
going to be in Japanese and we've going to have an

10
interpreter, and I'm not sure how well that will
11
work, but, you know,
12
--
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an independent assessment.
I'd
we're going to do our best to
like the Reactor Safety Team to also provide
14
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JIM TRAPP:
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Yeah.
And we can reach a common
conclusion.
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help.
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We don't have anybody that
That,
JIM TRAPP:
that's not going to
What I'm saying is
our
22
interpreter, if
22
able to interpret for you and us at the same time.
23
she's near the phone,
BILL RULAND:
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can happen, then it
25
participate.
Well,
she might be
if you think that
might be helpful for us to
But we're, we're,
to a large extent,
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Okay?
JIM TRAPP:
BILL RULAND:
Okay.
So,
if
you want to tap us
in,
directly to the Reactor Safety Team.
go ahead and do it
through the ops center and go
JIM TRAPP:
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JIM TRAPP;
Okay?
Okay.
Thanks.
Yep.
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I apologize for
Okay, guys,
bothering you, but things are degenerating quickly.

This reminds me of the drill.
The Unit 2 reactor had some sort of a
I don't know if
pressure differential situation.
it
was a hydrogen explosion or a steam explosion or

9
what happened, but it
appears to have breached the
The torus pressure went up from three
10
torus.
11
atmospheres to one atmosphere,
12
torus isn't retaining pressure.
so essentially, the
So that's interesting and troubling, but
13
we have had that
14
what's really troubling is that we,
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wind shift --
16
we've had that wind shift and the wind is out of the
17
northeast blowing towards the southwest.
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the Chairman's here,
by the way --
That's
And there's an aircraft carrier in the
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about 180 miles from
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the site, about 10 miles southwest of Tokyo, and
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roughly five to 10 times that, thyroid.
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(Inaudible) team is
He's now on his way in,
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BILL BORCHARDT:
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Trapp has that.

I'm sorry?
I said Trapp has all
that
information.
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don't really know what,
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think,
look at some,
Yeah,
so I,
you know,
what more could be done.
the PAGs for what,
if
I
I
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what,
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what we would be recommending to a governor under
that circumstance and have that in our hip pocket.
But we can't really volunteer that until we get
asked under the current protocol.

The, the, Jim indicated that
JACK GROB:
6
there,
the Navy has precipitated some action to pull
together a, a, a briefing that's going to happen out
of the White House where we'll be invited to
10
participate and give perspectives on what,
11
should be done.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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Hey, Jack,
can we --
13
hey, Bill, this is Greg Jaczko.
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on that right away,
15
data and getting an understanding of what we would
16
recommend for a PAG and see if
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--
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Can we,
what
the issue of having,
JACK GROB:
any,
They're,
if
can we get
taking this
any folks are
they're working on
right now.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
BILL BORCHARDT:
Good.
Yeah, you know, and I
22
wouldn't hesitate to call, you know, a utility like
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Exelon and have them do a double-check,
24
give, pull them in,
25
and say, have them do an independent assessment,
you know,
give them the same information

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as a cross-check and the data.
JACK GROB:
regional offices do it.
they've gone home by now.
idea.
Yeah,
Region IV might -But yeah,
MARTY VIRGILIO:
even having one of our
that,
very good point of contact.
Jack,
that's
if
oh,
a good
you want to do
I would suggest that Chip Pardee would be a

He's been brought up
10
here to support NEI and provide the utility
perspectives.
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JACK GROB:
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
Okay.
And I'm sure that Chip
14
can get you to the right people to conduct that
15
analysis.
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JACK GROB:
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We'll take that and,
19
well.
Okay.
JACK GROB:
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
Tony today,
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there in
24
been working the,
25
briefings with Tony.
it
that's
good.
we'll take that into that as
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Okay,
So you said he's at NEI?

He --
when I talked to
was my understanding that he's up
the Washington metropolitan area and he's

working the congressional
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Jack,
let's
just have
somebody get -- we'll get, we'll follow your

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suggestion and we'll get somebody.
We need somebody here who can get Chip

Pardee for us.
Okay.
Any other stuff?
MARTY VIRGILIO:
All right, and if
you
can't get to Chip, you know you can get to Tony and
then Tony can get to Chip.

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and Exelon's got an
ops center themselves; right?
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JACK GROB:
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MARTY VIRGILIO:
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Or,
Right.
But you can get to him
through Exelon.
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JACK GROB:
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MIKE WEBER:
Yep.
Hey,
Okay.
this is Mike Weber.
17
Is that PMT kind of doing a corroborative analysis
18
of whether those kind of dose rates would be
19
consistent with what might have been released?

JACK GROB:
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The,
the answer is the dose
21
rates don't seem to be consistent either with what
22
would be released or with the timing that it
23
take for a plume to get 180 miles away from the site
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to the southwest.
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MIKE WEBER:
Yeah, well,
would
that's what
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the feedback
through Trapp from the admiral is that they used

multi*
Yet, but the,
,instrumentsand confirmed this in multiple
ways,f
MIKE WEBER:
JACK GROB:
Wow.
They do operate
nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, so they must have

10
a level of competence that's fairly decent.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
We --
yes, we should
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be.
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they were going to reach out to DOE as well.
We were going to confirm with the PMT team that
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Is
22
JACK GROB:
that confirmed?
They were on the phone with
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DOE when I was back there 10 minutes ago.
24
They're having DOE re-do some dose analyses to get,
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I'm also thinking about the
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Al.
JACK GROB:
MIKE WEBER:
You're saying our
JACK GROB:
No, no,
the
Oh, oh, oh.
We have, I have
not thought about that.
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Okay,
14
we'll get, get the -- Jack, you'll
get the Liaison Team going on that?
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(No response.)
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for bothering you.
Yep.
Okay.
Any other thoughts?
Okay, listen.
I apologize
I really appreciate the help.
BILL BORCHARDT:
Jack,
can, somebody can come in.
Yeah, no problem.
if you get into an overload, let us know.
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Interesting.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
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Yeah,
That's not a problem.
We're all close
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Bill,
I'm going to do
that right now.
about longer-term staffing for this, but can we get
one of the three of you in now?
MIKE WEBER:
Yeah.
MARTY VIRGILIO:
Sure.
do it,
MARTY VIRGILIO:
about 15,
Okay.
Yeah,
if
you can
Yeah,
I can be there in
20 minutes.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
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BILL BORCHARDT:
Okay.
Good.
See you then.

Okay.
Do you need anything
else from us?
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Do
Marty.
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I'm close.
I'm within a couple miles.
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BILL BORCHARDT:
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I'm going to, once again, think
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
I don't think so.
Thank you.
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Hey,
CHIP PARDEE:
JACK GROB:
Chip?
Yeah.
Hey, good evening.
Chip, this is Jack Grob.
Chairman Zaczko's here with me and several other
people.
We're getting some information that,
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10
11
that is very limited as far as,

goes but it's,
but it's
as the actual data
somewhat troubling as well.
We're getting information from a Navy base about
12
190 miles from the site where there's been fuel
13
damage that indicates that at that Navy base they're
14
getting on the order of 20 mrem whole body TEDE and
15
120 mrem thyroid in 12-hour time.
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true, we're running calculations to try to
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understand what the doses might be closer in to the
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site if
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And if
that's
in fact that data is true.

If
it
seems to us that the doses are
20
very substantial close to the site and, and we're
21
asking ourselves what an appropriate protective
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action recommendation might be if
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those numbers are true.
in fact that,
24
CHIP PARDEE:
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heard the numbers right again, Jack.
Let me,
let me make sure I

This was 120
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A hundred and eighty miles
away.
CHIP PARDEE:
One hundred and eighty.
I'm afraid I'm traveling without a pan.
But,
okay,
180 miles away, 22.0 mrem TEDI in a one- to 12-hour
time period.
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Yes.
And a 120 mrem thyroid
in a 12-hour time period.
10
CHIP PARDEE:
11
JACK GROB:
Okay.
The, we were wondering if we
12
might impose on you to help us do some independent
13
calcs.
14
CHIP PARDEE:
15
JACK GROB:
Sure.
Our folks,
our dose
16
assessors are running numbers and we were hoping to
17
be able to get some independent evaluation of these
18
kinds of numbers.
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20
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22
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23
wondering if
24
some of your protective measures folks and connect
25
them with our protective measures folks and run some
we might be able to get in contact with
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the ops center?
Okay,
and what is
Should I have my folks call
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CHIP PARDEE:
JACK GROB:
CHIP PARDEE:
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to the PMT.
That's correct.
816-5100,
Yes.
CHIP PARDEE:
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CHIP PARDEE:
The PMT.
Protective Measures Team.
Okay.
15
soon as I can get a hold of them.
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And request to go
straight into the PMT.
on that, and I'll
1?
was.
That's correct.
14
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I think it
Okay.
They can send it
11
the best
I will, I will get
try to have someone call you as
JACK GROB:
Appreciate it.
Thanks very
much.
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Bye now.
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Hey,. Jack?
Yeah,
CHIP PARDEE:
Chip.
Hey,
I have gotten a hold
of our EP people, and they are rousting out the,
assessors,
the
So I would expect
the dose assessors.
that your PMT will get a call in the next 10 or 15

9
minutes or so.
We haven't actually found the right guy
10
you know, we
But, I,
We're just starting.
11
yet.
12
have a couple names and we'll get one of them, and
13
they'll be in contact with you in,
14
order here.
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in recently short
Chip, this is
Hey,
Greg Jaczko.
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CHIP PARDEE:
Hi, Greg.
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CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
For reasons I can't
19
really go into right now,
20
analysis.
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but as timely as you could give us some information.
22
this is
a time-sensitive
We want your best accurate information,
CHIP PARDEE:
Okay.
I understand that,
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and my only qualifier to that, Chairman, would be,
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we may have to run the guy to a place where he can,
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the best you can.
that.
I,
Absolutely.
No,
do
I just wanted you to know
And again, we appreciate your giving us kind
of this double-check,
if
CHIP PARDEE:
you will --
No problem.
CHAIRMAN JACZKO:
--
CHIP PARDEE:
that's what we're here
this, another set
of eyes.
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No,
for, so if you guys need anything, just call.
10
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CHIP PARDEE:
Appreciate it.
And I'll
get closure as
12
well,
13
that you've got the people you need.
so I'll
keep up on this until I'm satisfied
14
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All right.
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JACK GROB:
Hello,
JIM TRAPP:
Yes,
JACK GROB:
This is Jack Grob.
Jim.
Jim, can you
hear me?
I can.
You've
got Stan Bowman (phon) and Margie Doane and Chris

Miller and MJ and six or seven, 800 more people
here.
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We'll need the mall,
Jack.
Hey, Jack, this is Tony.
I'm here too.
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Oh, lovely.
Yeah,
it's
Tony and Jim.
Hey, Jack, we're probably
16
under some kind of time constraints here from
17
Protective Measures support, so we just want to kind
18
of give you the bottom line.
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Yes?
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And the bottom line is Unit
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1, they believe they have stable core cooling at
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this point.
23
issues, fuel pool issues.
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No indication of any spent fuel level
Unit 2 --
lots of problems.
have stable core cooling.
They do not
In fact, they haven't had
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Yeah,
there was some
confusing information about that, but I think the
bottom line is they're not comfortable that they
1
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have containment for Unit 2.

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So they didn't tell us it
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their X vessel, but what they did tell us kind of
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JACK GROB:
Okay,
so if
Is
I understand
15
correctly, that's your judgment based on what you ' ve
16
heard.
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JIM TRAPP:
That,
that's correct.
We
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were talking, we finally got to talk to somebody,
19
you know, with, with kind of qualifications
equivalent to what we got.
wasn't high in the food chain, so I think he was a
little
23
we would say things, you know, we would say,
24
sounds like it
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said, 'Well,
And, you know,
bit reluctant to make conclusions.
could be this,'
so he
But when
'That
he said, you know, he
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TONY ULSES:
Yeah,
Jack,
But you
I think we'd
better understand the situation at Unit 2 now

technically that they've been under, quite frankly,
since the beginning of the situation.
What happens,
know, they lost all AC,
the bottom line is,
you
so they lost all injection
10
capability and they've been having trouble
12
controlling their SRV.
12
them yesterday, what was the vessel pressure?
13
the guy told me it
14
they got are fire pumps.
15
pump is going to push against four megapascals.
And right now --
I asked
was at four megapascals,
16
JACK GROB:
17
TONY ULSES:
And
and all
And there's no way a fire
Okay.
So we're concerned that
18
they've been in the situation on and off really from
19
the beginning and that they've been having trouble
20
getting injection all along.
that's also drawing, you know,
to this conclusion.
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little
25
injection in,
So, very likely,

it's
also leading us
So they probably melted a
fuel, got the SRV open, you know, got some

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been erratic.
Hey,. guys, when you said "a
what did you interpret that as?
TONY ULSES:
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--
it
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I think both of
that it
wouldn't
wasn't like the other two loud sounds with
Unit 1 and 3 when the reactor building blew.
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9
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You know, my guess is,

it's
just pure conjecture,
and it's
would be it
just,
was probably
when the core went X-up.
11
TONY ULSES:
12
under the vessel, it
13
steam explosion.
14
And landing in the water
would have caused a little
JACK GROB:
That,
that's what I heard
i5
you say.
steam explosion from the fuel going X-vessel,
17
heard that containment at that point in time went
18
from three atmospheres to one atmosphere.
But what you think is
that that was a

and we
JIM TRAPP:
TONY ULSES:
JACK GROB:
And the
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JIM TRAPP:
The other thing is with the
That makes sense.

Yep.
It
would.
--
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condition of core cooling on Unit 2,
24
we're not going to be wrong for long.

JIM TRAPP:
25
if
we're wrong,
I appreciate your optimism.
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If
Yeah,
well,
I mean --
yeah.
they can't control that safety, they're not
going to get any water into that system.

JIM TRAPP:
And believe it
or not, Jack,
we're telling you the good news.

JACK GROB:
TONY ULSES:
8
believe it
10
Oh.
Yeah,
it
gets worse,
or not.
JACK GROB:
Unit 3?
JIM TRAPP:
Unit 3,
they got core
cooling and they're too busy to confirm what tlie

level in the pool is.
12
14
JACK GROB:
indication that it's
But you don't have any
not good?
JIM TRAPP:
15
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12
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JACK GROB:
Okay.
So I'll
info" about the spent fuel pool.
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22
just say "no
There's a conference call
the White House in 10 minutes.
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Let us, we'd better rush through it
24
then.
25
a lot for you.
The bad news is,
Unit 3,
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they, they really haven't verified the fuel pool
level,
--
you know,
--
if
and.as you recall, that one blew up.
And if
the pictures even from the news cameras
you look,
there's an awful lot of debris
setting up on the fuel pool.
Right?
The reactor
building really collapsed into the fuel pool.

7
JACK GROB:
Okay.
JIM TRAPP:
But let's move on because
that's not the worst one.

Unit 4,
10
it
was in a refueling outage and
11
they believe they had a loud noise.
12
said he wasn't sure if
13
Unit 4 or both.
14
evaluate that data.
15
they have a fire, possibly a fire, in Unit 4 spent
16
fuel pool.
And he kind of
the loud noise was Unit 2 or
He said he hadn't had a chance to

But what they did tell us is
17
That's the bad news.
18
JACK GROB:
What the senior minister
19
said on TV during a press conference is that the
20
fuel is not burning, that something else is on fire.
JIM TRAPP:
Well
22
JACK GROB:
But your information is that
23
24
2
it's
--
a spent fuel pool, spent fuel fire.

JIM TRAPP:
said to us was,
It
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I mean, what he
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2
going up.
JACK GROB:
MALE PARTICIPANT:
Okay.
level or they don't have indication of water level?
JIM TRAPP:
MALE PARTICIPANT:
TONY ULSES:
JIM TRAPP:
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11
They don't have water
TONY ULSES:
it
They don't have water level.

Okay.
So they don't have water.

Correct.
That's what we interpreted
to mean.
12
JIM TRAPP:
Yeah, we were working
13
through an interpreter, but that was the first thing
14
they told us.
15
are just missing the point here.
couple times.
17
I don't, you know, I don't think we
JACK GROB:
Okay.
We went over this
And we had
18
information of 10 R/hr at the site boundary on Unit
19
4.
20
2
Yeah,
JACK GROB:
That kind of makes sense
it
doesn't surprise
me.
22
23
JIM TRAPP:
with what they're seeing down in the Air Force base.
24
JACK GROB:
you're talking to are Tepco people?
And the, and the people
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No,
they were --
TONY ULSES:
No,
they were NISA people.
JIM TRAPP:
There was one NISA guy.
There was one engineer from NISA.
Okay.
JIM TRAPP:
No known problems, but that
What about Units 5
and 6?
7
8
JACK GROB:
was all we got.

JACK GROB:
And, and is
there something
10
unique about Unit 4 that has caused this loss of, of
--
12
JIM TRAPP:
You know, he said, later in
13
his life, he, he will be very interested to figure
14
out how they lost level because we said, you know,
15
you're in a refueling outage and there's no real
issues here; how could you have lost level?
17
response was basically, yeah, I will be interested
18
in that looking into that in the future.
19
TONY ULSES:
And his
I think he did kind of
20
indicate that he thought it
21
the hydrogen explosion in Unit 3, and that was a big
22
boom.
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may have been related to
So there's a potential that
it--
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It
could have been
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JACK GROB:
Okay.
JIM TRAPP:
They were enormous.
JACK GROB:
Okay.
Is
there any
equipment that's getting to them that they're asking

for, or that they're asking for and they're not
getting equipment?
Any feel for that?
JIM TRAPP:
He wasn't the right level.
10
JACK GROB:
Okay.
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JIM TRAPP:
He was the engineer.
So,
12
mean, we certainly told him, you know, America would
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do whatever we can to support --
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been saying, but he wasn't the level to be asking us
15
for resources.
Now I'm, I'm going to be an
JACK GROB:
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Clearly, this is no
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anal-retentive regulator.
18
longer an INE at Level IV.

TONY ULSES:
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JACK GROB:
reassessed that yet.
I think we've gone
Yeah, but they haven't

Is that (inaudible)?
JIM TRAPP:
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Yeah,
past that one, Jack.
21
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the blurb we've
It
seems like it
was pretty
breaking news, the Unit 4 thing.

JACK GROB:
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Anything else?
Oh, how did
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Okay,
just for your
information, Casto's in the air.

4
hours.
air now.
He has been for
The other guys from Headquarters are in the

The guys from Region I and TTC,
I assume,
are going to be in the air shortly or they already

are.
They'll be arriving on --
JIM TRAPP:
you know,
I wouldn't --
Something to think about is,

just, if
we don't have
10
people coming, we've got to think about what whether
11
we want them to come.
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JACK GROB:
Well,
JIM TRAPP:
Okay.
they're already
coming.
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Then we might want to
think about sending them home.
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FEMALE PARTICIPANT:
Tony, we've got a
bag of clothes coming for you too.
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TONY ULSES:
Yeah, all right.
appreciate that.
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clothes would be kind of hard to find in Japan.
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Yeah,
so did I.
okay.
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we're getting to
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get back out of here possibly.
JIM TRAPP:
But, just, just a thought.
JACK GROB:
I understand.
JIM TRAPP:
We've got a go
--
I guess,
probably the Chairman will also be involved in the

White House brief.
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Very good.
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you.
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It's
JACK GROB:
been a very interesting
There have been many, many developments.
evening.
Let me just go through the conditions of the plants
at Daiichi.
Unit 1 is the unit that is
The core cooling is
in the best
shape.
stable and the spent
fuel pool is
in good shape.
10
functional.
There, there was a hydrogen explosion
11
previously.
There has not been any other
12
significant degradation of secondary containment.
13
So Unit 1 is
14
chatted.
The containment is
fairly stable since the last time we
Unit 2 is not in very good condition at
15
It
appears that core cooling has not existed
16
all.
17
for quite some time.
18
that were injecting into the core have been
19
deadheaded for some time.
20
was a loud sound that appeared to come from inside
21
the dry well,
22
primary containment went from three atmospheres to
23
one atmosphere
It
appears that the,
the pumps
Several hours ago, there
and at that time, the pressure inside
(essentially, atmospheric pressure).
24
There is clear indication that primary containment
25
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fuel, that there has been substantial core melt, and
2
possibly even the loud sound in the breach of
containment was caused by an X vessel fuel
situation.
confirmed at this time.
That last bit of information cannot be
The Unit 3 reactor had stable core
cooling.
conditions of spent fuel pool.
hydrogen explosion occurred in the reactor building,
We have no information about the

However,
when the
10
substantial amounts of debris from the reactor
11
building collapsed into the spent fuel pool.

Unit 4 previously was reported as
12
13
stable.
14
reactor is
15
excuse me --
16
pool.
17
to be a zirconium fire in the spent fuel pool of
18
Unit 4.
That is no longer the case.

de-fueled.
The Unit 4
The spent fuel pool is
the spent fuel is
in
in
--
the spent fuel
The spent fuel pool is dry and there appears
19
We have no problems with Units 5 and 6.
20
The Japanese government has extended the
21
protective actions from evacuation to 20 kilometers
22
--
23
kilometers plus sheltering t 30 kilometers.
that's
24
25
roughly 12 miles --
to evacuation to 20
The weather pattern has shifted.
Last
time we talked, the wind was out of the northwest

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towards the southeast.
ocean.
northeast towards the southwest; that is,
the city of Tokyo.
The winds were out to the
Currently, the winds are out of the
.And
towards
site boundary dose rates for Units 2
and 3 vicinities of the site boundary are on the
order of 2 to 4 rem per hour.
rates at Unit 4 are on the order of 10 rem per hour.
9
10
Site boundary dose
Just give me a, moment to go over my

notes.
I believe that's it.

There have been no changes of any
11
12
substance for the Daini reactors.
13
has been on the Daiichi reactors.
14
The primary focus
The Chairman and Marty Virgilio are
15
here.
Protective Measures; that's Cathy Haney.
17
extended the Protective Measures Team in the
18
operations center.
We do have a (sic) Executive Team member for

And we've
We've dispatched nine individuals to
19
20
Japan.
21
heard that all of them are in the air yet, but
22
that's the contingent led by Chuck Casto.
23
a charter for his responsibilities and our team's
24
responsibilities in Japan.
the ambassador when he arrives,
Some of them are in the air.
I haven't
Chuck has
He will share that with

and once the
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ambassador is comfortable with that charter, it
be issued formally to Chuck from either Bill
Borchardt or the Chairman.

The Chairman is
will
on a call, as we speak,
with the ambassador and the White House situation
room.
7
8
Let me look around the table.
Have I
missed anything, guys and girls?

MALE PARTICIPANT:
The DOE RAP team with
10
the aerial monitoring system has been dispatched and
11
is at this point seven hours from arrival in Japan.

JACK GROB:
12
Okay.
Just to confirm that
13
everybody heard that,
14
additional radiation monitoring capabilities is
is
approximately seven hours out from arrival in Japan.
16
the DOE RAP team with
Let me just share one other thing.
17
our perspective,
18
recommendations that the Japanese government has
19
issued are consistent with current radiological
20
conditions as best we understand them.
21
limited radiological data.
22
From
the protective action
MARTY VIRGILIO:
It's
We have very
really --
23
Marty Virgilio --
24
given the fact that,
25
have the core X vessel and we don't have a
it's
this is
really rapidly evolving now
for Unit 2,
it
appears that we
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containment any longer.
We've lost the primary
containment.
So what I'm going to suggest at this
4
point is,
get back to work, is
if we can wrap this up because we have to

there any questions that any
anybody on the phone has?

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(No response.)
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JACK GROB:
(No response.)
MARTY VIRGILIO:
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Any questions?
Okay.
Thank you very
much.
JACK GROB:
Thank you.
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Official Transcript of Proceedings

Japan's Fukushima Daiichi ET Audio File

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NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION

JAPAN'S FUKUSHIMA DAIICHI ET AUDIO FILE

COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS

(CONFERENCE CALL INITIATED)

Josh, you there?

How are you

How are you?

I wasn't sure you

were checking your email.

forardedou a message from, that he

sking for an update on

understand Embassy Tokyo is

outer structure damage,

Chairman requested that we provide information to

the group on the email if

NRC on the ground.

we have anything from Jim or Tony

then you can email that group.

more specific or more confirmed,

a very high-level group.

WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701

would need to be sure and clear and concise.

Chairman wants us to respond to that emai1

message to you from him says, if

provide to this group if

NRC on the ground.

looks like the

we get info, please

necessary, especially from

Yeah, we have that

information back from Tony and crew,

confirm that containment has not been damaged.

Do you want me to send it

oh, you got it?

I mean, I don't know if

Embassy Tokyo citing NISA,1" so, you know, I,

probably your judgment call about whether that, you

there, noted is,

"I understand from the

the fact we also know that Jim's,

any additional information for

COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS

WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701

would be to respond and to confirm because we have

separate confirmation that containment's intact.

Okay, you do.

the chief cabinet secretary,

television saying that containment was not damaged

Well, yeah, I think

confirmation from our folks, so, you know,

they're just passing on what they're seeing on the

same thing on.

information that we can add to their understanding

then the Embassy is going to be passing on the

like I said, it's

a very high-level group.