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Here you can see how the fingers naturally fall in the reverse grip.
The sheath is a kydex liner inserted in a cordura MOLLE compatible sheath. The blade does not snap in and out of the sheath
like many production knives but is held secured by a thumb snap. I can see this being an advantage where a tightly fitted
sheath may stick and prevent a clean draw in dirty or sandy conditions. As the kydex is a rather simple affair you could easily
make your own if you prefer and insert it into the cordura or simply heat the supplied one to get a different fit. One thing I
would like to see in the future is the use of MALICE clips rather than the standard MOLLE webbing. I find them to be more robust
and secure. I simply ran the MOLLE webbing down the back, secured it, and went with the MALICE clips.
The coating on these knives is an attractive black with a slight gloss finish to it. While this isnt best for those desiring a no
glare knife, theres no reason you cant hit it with some dull coat or krylon. Unfortunately it also wears rather easily. Again, its
easy to provide an expedient coat of paint if you really need it. Id like to see perhaps Parkerizing offered as it has low
reflectivity and wears well or perhaps cerakote. Nothing explicitly wrong with duracoat, but there is something better out there.
But the real question is whether or not these coatings are worth it, will they wear just as easily or bit less? Cost/benefit analysis
is going to have to come into play here.
The 8
The 8 falls in between the 7 and 10 on the scale of battle blades, not a full on fighter like the 10 but not of a more standard
size (and by that I mean the ubiquitous 7 and 12 thats so prevalent, 7inch blade 12 inches overall). This knife is a single
bevel and before I go further I should discuss that.
Mike believes the single bevel, or chisel grind, has some important advantages and I cant really disagree. It is easier to sharpen
(not that a double bevel is especially difficult by any stretch of the imagination), maintains the full thickness for more of the
blade (though this can clearly vary depending on the knife), and has some combative attributes as well. First, it makes an
asymmetrical wound channel that is harder to seal and slower to heal. I found that it was also better for using as an expedient
shovel. The first thing I noticed about this single bevel was that it was on the right side. Much has been made about the
Emerson chisel grind which has the flat on the right side (looking at the spine). Some argue that this should be done in the
opposite manner for a right handed person. Personally, for cutting fibrous material and other soft objects, I dont see much of a
difference. However, when working on making fuzz sticks, delimbing a branch, or other tasks in a survival/field craft situation,
the Grayman single bevel (with the flat on the left side if looking at the spine) is absolutely preferred. The flat of the blade rode
on the wood and cut it effortlessly. Luckily, it was easy to see how the knife would perform if ground on the opposite side: I
simply flipped it over and used the back edge. One thing I found interesting was that the single bevel seemed to face more
resistance when penetrating. I tested this on cardboard (sorry folks, no one would volunteer to take one for the team), and felt
that the flat made full contact with the entire blade and thus created more drag. With a double bevel, only the flats are making
full contact and thus face less drag. This is merely my impression; neither had any problem and Im sure youd have no problem
stabbing someones spine through their chest but I got the feeling that the single bevel wasnt as good as a double for stabs.
Single Bevel seen from the spine
The Sub-Saharan is a phenomenal design and my favorite, period. Its entirely capable in a combat, survival, or field craft role.
Luckily, there are four sizes to choose from, the 5 for lighter tasks (something that would go well in a survival kit or on the kit of
someone who doesnt want/need a large knife), to the 7 which falls in the classic fighter/utility category, all the way up to the
10 and 8 which are no nonsense large blades perfectly capable of taking down a tree or severing a Jihadists head.
http://graymanknives.com/subs.html
Let me know if there are any questions I can answer
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double edged????
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Hammer27 writes:
"Design: The Sub-Saharan series is one of the best designs to come out of Grayman knives. First, if these seem slightly familiar,
like something you may have seen from MercWorx or even a Strider Ajax theres good reason for this. Mike had a large role in
designing many of the knives of MercWorx and collaborated on the Ajax and Mantrack. However, unlike Mercworx there are no
fine polishes or stainless steels."
Truth in fact is Mike had more than a large role, he flat out designed the Strider knives "Ajax" & "Mantrack".
Regardless of the performance and ability of the knives & it's important to those honorably serve to clarify the TRUTH.
Grayman Knives , aka Mike Bottoms (his legal name), aka Mike Everywhere, aka Mike Ajax was outed as a FRAUD after he made
claims of FAKE RSAS service. There are books available still in circulation where his claims are plainly fraudulent. I know where
there are several copies of the books.
He was outed as a FAKE/FRAUD by real deal RSAS/Selous Scouts like David Scott Donelan who know any and all Americans that
served with them during the Rhodesian conflicts. It was two Americans BTW. I'm a Combat Tracker certified & vetted by David
as well & continue to work w/ David on various projects.
1) http://selousscouts.tripod.com/David...tt-Donelan.htm
BTW, He claims to have killed a Baboon w/ a knife as part of the RSAS selection process & have 11 confirmed kills w/ a blade.
Pure BS.
Talk about driving Kool Aid stock up !
He was part of Strider Knives FRAUD from the beginning.
Which you can find here:
2) http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies366.htm
3) http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies313.htm
4) http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies365.htm
While the knives may perform and work well I wanted to give others that read & are not informed the ability to make their own
decisions.
I have seen the evidence & know the people involved including the RSAS Squadron. They are upset still, as real deal Operators
and do not appreicate the deception and fraud.
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I had heard of the stink with Strider though I never dug in and researched any of it as I never felt the need for any of the
products. I did not know that "Grayman" was in any way involved. It does not take away my appreciation of the hardware
however, it does mean that I will be doing some research before I send any $ their way. If this is true (it is not that I doubt you
personally HOPLOETHOS, I just need to verify before making any decision), I will not support Grayman in any way.
Come to think of it, the Zero Tolerance project is associated with Strider isn't it? I guess I won't be getting that ZT0300 either.
Bummer!
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luvmy40,
Solid copy.
If you want to go to the source I can point you to that vector easily.
PM me & I will give you the RSAS and Selous Scout's or 22nd Squadron RSAS vectors etc. or Linky here for yourself to research:
http://www.csqnsas.com/
Below Mike Bottoms aka Grayman Knives makes the "RSAS Hall of Shame"
http://www.csqnsas.com/dishonour.html
Yes, Zero Tolerance, Buck Knives got caught as well.
Of course most people want to shove it under the rug. Wonder why ?
SWAT Magazine was warned about the Strider FRAUD BTW before the article they ran went to press & had a chance to do the
right thing and did not.
Did nothing for the consumers BUT promote & sell their products. You getting the picture ?
So much for Gun Rags.
Look into Gary Lakis another PHONY USMC 8541 as well who duped the US Govenrment aka US Taxpayer out of our money for
nothing.
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=15600
Sgt. Bogus
Marine Sgt. with Phony Record Awarded Lucrative Pentagon Contracts.
July 7, 2004 In the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the United States Navy awarded contracts valued at some $66 million
to enhance security at its bases on the West Coast and in Hawaii. But Pentagon officials would soon come to regret
their choice of company to receive the lucrative deal.
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I was unaware of all the fraudelent claims, I hope that I did not mislead anyone. On the Grayman knives site nothing is
mentioned of Rhodesia or SAS, only Sudan and some vague reference to being former US SOF.
I will say though that the knives stand alone on their own merit and I have always had good customer service.
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