KLF Maillist 199403

---------From: "Kelly, Neil" <STNK@MARISTB.MARIST.
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To: <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
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Tue, 01 Mar 94 00:05:28 EST
Subject: NO TRANCENTRAL-RELATED MATERIAL. :(
This contains nothing to do with 777, fortran 5, Orb, K foundation,
KLF, JAMS, Timelords, Bill Drummond, Jimmy Cauty, sheep, or anything
like that.If you decide this warrants a flame, do me two favors. Be
Original and do it in private email. No need to subject everyone. If
I get enough, I'll compile a best of and send it out. :)
That said, I was wondering how one determines the BPM (beats per minute)
of a song. The reason I ask is I just played the new Nine Inch Nails
single (whose name escapes me) and it says 269 BPM. The musical notes of
the song sound short enough; but it still sounds slower than 269. In
fact, I think it sounds only marginally faster than, say Last Train.
(Okay, so it has a little bit of KLF content. Sorry.) Can someone clue
me in? Is it the number of bass notes / minute, is it something else
entirely, or what? I once tried BPMing out LTTT and I came up with a
number of 132. Anyone know if I was even close?
I have donned an asbestos suit. Flame at Will. (He's standing over there.)
-Neil Kelly, Student Aide Staff
stnk@maristb.bitnet
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culf@city.ac.uk
Tue, 1 Mar 94 19:14:57 EDT
Re: Jimmy Cauty
they're
with an
to nail
much of
probably pretty hip to technology, why not a klf.org

official K Foundation mailing list? if they have enough money
1 million pounds to a wall, an internet host shouldn't be too
a strain on their cheque books.. :)
Ha. I've tried to explain to them before what the internet is, and it's
not easy...
Well, if they use an Atari, they must be semi-computer literate. It would

be pretty good to be mailing jimmy@klf.org!
] telnet klf.org
Trying 138.23.23.23
Connected to klf.org.
Escape character is '^K'.
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cspas050@edu.eur.nl (M.A. Onstwedder)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (klf@asylum.sf.ca.us)
Tue, 1 Mar 94 11:34:08 MET
Re: Jimmy Cauty
> Well, if they use an Atari, they must be semi-computer literate. It would
> be pretty good to be mailing jimmy@klf.org!
Arrrggghh!! Atari computers are the computers that are used in music studios.
if you don't no that, then you are an computer literate!
Excuse me, for this full-nerdish-remark, but this moeller guy, always picks
on atari, while it IS the music computer #1.
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rmvrshek@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Robert M. Vrshek)

Tue, 1 Mar 1994 10:09:26 -0600 (CST)
BPMs
This is kind of hard to explain, but I'll do my best. Say you're playing a
song that is 60 bpms. If you play all thirtysecond notes, they will be the
same as playing sixteenth notes in a 120 bpm song. Only the song would have
twice as many measures. So four thirty second notes at 60 bpms is the same as
4 sixteenth notes at 120 bpms. There are just half the amount of measures at
120 bpms because you cram thirty two notes into one measure at 60 bpms. So at
269 bpms, any quarter notes are about the same length as eighth notes at 135
bpms. Does this explain well enough? It would be easier to draw a picture,
but I'm not that much of a techie.
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even makes the target enemy enjoy the experience"
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Tue, 1 Mar 1994 10:13:41 -0600 (CST)
klf videos
I hate to say it, but you asked for it. If you don't think anyone is going to
answer you, why did you bother. But seriously folks, I tried to post about the
same subject and I didn't get an answer. The only thing I've ever seen
anywhere was the U.S. stadium house video. Most of that stuff was probably
only released U.K.
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jhsa@ee.tut.fi (Salmij{rvi Janne)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (KLF&Orb Mailing list)
Tue, 1 Mar 94 18:43:45 EET
Tong Poo Remixes.
Hi
I just purchased YMO vs. Orb The Tong Poo Remixes, Alfa records release,
alca506. As I paid quite a big sum for it I'd like to know if it's any rare :)
Janne
ps. are all 3 version different from the versions on hi-tech/no crime album.
I couldn't tell for sure (well I did only listen to them once so far).
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BRAD SHELTON <941SHELTON@MERLIN.NLU.EDU>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 1 Mar 1994 11:22:42 -0600 (CST)
BPM
About the BPM question, speaking from a classical point of view, (as
opposed to a dj point of view), the 'BPM' of a song would be scaled
according to the time signature of the music.
The 100-140 BPM range that is so prevalent in dance-music is based off of
the common 4/4 time signature. If Reznor's new tune is marked at 200something BPM but sounds slower, like maybe 132 BPM, then maybe he
recorded and tabulated the song in like 4/32. This would not affect the
speed of the song, but the '32' in the time sig. means that the 32nd
note 'gets the beat'. Again, this does not effect neither the speed
nor sound of the music in any way. It's a tabulature that is useful in
more complex 'classical' works.
my $.02us
b.
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krieg@ct.med.ge.com (Andrew Krieg 5-5379)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 1 Mar 94 11:23:09 CST
Re: Tong Poo Remixes.
>>I just purchased YMO vs. Orb The Tong Poo Remixes, Alfa records release,
>>alca506. As I paid quite a big sum for it I'd like to know if it's any rare :)
It's not all that rare if you have a source that can get imports from Japan.
>>ps. are all 3 version different from the versions on hi-tech/no crime album.
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I couldn't tell for sure (well I did only listen to them once so far).
Yes, they are all different.
What is that creature/thing on the cover?
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The Grim Northern Bastard <awh3@aber.ac.uk>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 01 Mar 1994 18:17:31 +0000
KLF Lyrics on FTP
I just received the KLF lyrics via ftp and I just want to say that there are
far too many mistakes in them.Did the transcribers listen to the songs on an
old broken down grammophone or something?
Eg..."The Prestwich Prophet's Grin", King Boy's last line...
"The norther's pissed again"
THIS SHOULD BE..."The North has risen again"!!!
This is only one of hundreds of mistakes.I'm not going to list them all but I
think someone should try listening to the songs next time!
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Regis C Phelan <phelanre@student.msu.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 1 Mar 1994 13:53:42 -0500 (EST)
more discography stuff
I was looking through my local used record shop and stumbled upon this :
The Orb : The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld
CS : 1991 Wau! MR. Modo/Big Life (distributed through Attic Records)
4:27 Little Fluffy Clouds
9:49 Earth (gaia)
11:55 Supernova At the End of the Universe
3:48 Perpetual Dawn
9:14 Into the Fourth Dimension
8:21 Outlands
4:22 Star 6 & 7 8 9
18:47 A huge Ever Growing ...live mix mk 10
CAT-1321 Digitally Duplicated by R.S.B. Inc.
barcode - 5736-21321-4
Made in Canada
And, is the import version of U.F.Orb's disc the same as the us version?
(the disc's color and all?)
I picked up the import version and realized that the guy put in the US version
of the CD.....
thanks
regis
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neraves@umdd.umd.edu (neraves), mwraves@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (mwraves),
Tue, 1 Mar 1994 15:56:30 -0500 (EST)
Clipper petition (fwd)
Sorry to waste bandwidth but I think this is a very good cause

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Hello,
This message is about Clipper, a proposal which would allow the government
to peek at our ***PRIVATE*** email. Please read it, and if you are as
opposed to Clipper as I am, please sign the electronic petition and help
stop this thing.
please forward this to everyone you know... this is important!
For those of you who don't know, Clipper is a proposal circulating in the
government right now whereby the government will require that all methods of
encrypting data (including e-mail) have a 'backdoor' of sorts so that the
government will be able to decrypt and read the data. As you may have
guessed, this is an infringement on your right to privacy.
Below are details on a petition against Clipper, and how to sign your name
to it. Please read.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------Electronic Petition to Oppose Clipper
Please Distribute Widely
On January 24, many of the nation's leading experts in cryptography
and computer security wrote President Clinton and asked him to
withdraw the Clipper proposal.
The public response to the letter has been extremely favorable,
including coverage in the New York Times and numerous computer and
security trade magazines.
Many people have expressed interest in adding their names to the
letter. In response to these requests, CPSR is organizing an
Internet petition drive to oppose the Clipper proposal. We will
deliver the signed petition to the White House, complete with the
names of all the people who oppose Clipper.
To sign on to the letter, send a message to:
Clipper.petition@cpsr.org
with the message "I oppose Clipper" (no quotes)
You will receive a return message confirming your vote.
Please distribute this announcement so that others may also express
their opposition to the Clipper proposal.

CPSR is a membership-based public interest organization. For
membership information, please email cpsr@cpsr.org. For more
information about Clipper, please consult the CPSR Internet Library FTP/WAIS/Gopher CPSR.ORG /cpsr/privacy/crypto/clipper
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The President
The White House
Washington, DC 20500
Dear Mr. President:
We are writing to you regarding the "Clipper" escrowed encryption
proposal now under consideration by the White House. We wish to
express our concern about this plan and similar technical standards
that may be proposed for the nation's communications infrastructure.
The current proposal was developed in secret by federal agencies
primarily concerned about electronic surveillance, not privacy
protection. Critical aspects of the plan remain classified and thus
beyond public review.
The private sector and the public have expressed nearly unanimous
opposition to Clipper. In the formal request for comments conducted
by the Department of Commerce last year, less than a handful of
respondents supported the plan. Several hundred opposed it.
If the plan goes forward, commercial firms that hope to develop
new products will face extensive government obstacles. Cryptographers
who wish to develop new privacy enhancing technologies will be
discouraged. Citizens who anticipate that the progress of technology
will enhance personal privacy will find their expectations
unfulfilled.
Some have proposed that Clipper be adopted on a voluntary basis
and suggest that other technical approaches will remain viable. The
government, however, exerts enormous influence in the marketplace, and
the likelihood that competing standards would survive is small. Few
in the user community believe that the proposal would be truly
voluntary.
The Clipper proposal should not be adopted. We believe that if
this proposal and the associated standards go forward, even on a
voluntary basis, privacy protection will be diminished, innovation
will be slowed, government accountability will be lessened, and the
openness necessary to ensure the successful development of the
nation's communications infrastructure will be threatened.
We respectfully ask the White House to withdraw the Clipper
proposal.
[end forwarded message]
---------From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (U.F.Orb)
To: jhsa@EE.TUT.FI (Salmij{rvi Janne)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:24:53 -0500 (EST)

Subject: Re: Tong Poo Remixes.
> I just purchased YMO vs. Orb The Tong Poo Remixes, Alfa records release,
> alca506. As I paid quite a big sum for it I'd like to know if it's any rare :)
Not only is it not rare, it's not particularly good, either. Both the
mixes on Hi Tech/No Crime are better than this CD. If you paid
a bunch of bucks for it, I'd trade it in for a Technodon Remixes II
CD. It's sooooo much better...
I sure hope you didn't pay more than $15, which is how much I paid
for mine. But I'm obsessed, I'm keeping it anyway...
-Jason Bilsky- fuzzbox@world.std.com **AnnoyingBandNameSigAlert!**
CrimsOrBandOfSusanSigueSigueSputniKLFionAsiArtOfNoisE.G.DailYello
DaisyChainsaWettoNineInchNailSystemSeveNedsAtomicDustbiNewOrder
MoodswingSt.EtiennEnigmAdamskInSoConcreteBlondEnOrbital
ToriAmoSmithereenSarahBrightmaNirvana ...Oh, and Fuzzbox.....
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 1 Mar 1994 13:53:42 -0500 (EST)
more discography stuff
I was looking through my local used record shop and stumbled upon this :
The Orb : The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld
CS : 1991 Wau! MR. Modo/Big Life (distributed through Attic Records)
9:49 Earth (gaia)
11:55 Supernova At the End of the Universe
3:48 Perpetual Dawn
9:14 Into the Fourth Dimension
8:21 Outlands
4:22 Star 6 & 7 8 9
18:47 A huge Ever Growing ...live mix mk 10
CAT-1321 Digitally Duplicated by R.S.B. Inc.
barcode - 5736-21321-4
Made in Canada
And, is the import version of U.F.Orb's disc the same as the us version?
(the disc's color and all?)
I picked up the import version and realized that the guy put in the US version
of the CD.....
thanks
regis
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David Eschatfische <2609COWEND@vmsf.csd.mu.edu>

Regis C Phelan <phelanre@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Tue, 01 Mar 1994 15:34:59 -0600 (CST)
Re: Clipper petition (fwd)
| Sorry to waste bandwidth but I think this is a very good cause

[Clipper petition deleted]
Jesus...the net gets in the media and suddenly it's flooded with
idiots. Keep the bloody Clipper messages off the list -- we've all
seen them too many times.
2609cowend@vms.csd.mu.edu
eschat@solaria.mil.wi.us
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Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:09:05 -0600 (CST)
Domestic Ultraworld Release
Hey der,
Anyone know the release date for the U.S. release of the Ultraworld
double-disc? I looked for it today and came up empty. What's goin' on?
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-- Steppenwolf.
ven makes the target enemy enjoy the experience"
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---------From: "Kelly, Neil" <STNK@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU>
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Subject: Re: KLF Lyrics on FTP
> I just received the KLF lyrics via ftp and I just want to say that there are
> far too many mistakes in them.Did the transcribers listen to the songs on an
> old broken down grammophone or something?
Oh, I suppose you're perfect? I don't see you volunteering to type anything in, do I? If you're not going to do anything about it, DON'T
EXPECT ANY SYMPATHY WHEN YOU BITCH ABOUT IT.
When those lyrics were posted, they came with the explicit warning that
they had mistakes. My copy of Who Killed The JAMS? is at *least* a third
generation tape because I never have the money to buy things when they
become available. Plus, I'm not exactly the greatest person at cutting
through accents.
If the quality of the transcription isn't up to your exacting standards,
make your own, but until you do, DON'T FLAME THE VOLUNTEER EFFORTS OF
THE REST OF US.
> This is only one of hundreds of mistakes.I'm not going to list them all but I
> think someone should try listening to the songs next time!
What could I have been thinking? I was just making lyrics up as I went
along! Amazing how I got them to pretty much fit the rhythym, don't you
think?
(Flame? Me? Never!)
stnk@maristb.bitnet
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"Kelly, Neil" <STNK@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU>, klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 01 Mar 1994 23:00:53 +0000
Re: KLF Lyrics on FTP
In message <01MAR94.19204533.0344.MUSIC@MARISTB>, "Kelly, Neil" writes:

>> I just received the KLF lyrics via ftp and I just want to say that there are
>> far too many mistakes in them.Did the transcribers listen to the songs on an
>> old broken down grammophone or something?
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>Oh, I suppose you're perfect? I don't see you volunteering to type any>thing in, do I? If you're not going to do anything about it, DON'T
>EXPECT ANY SYMPATHY WHEN YOU BITCH ABOUT IT.
I'm new to the list,but I intend to correct things.Just tell me how to and I
will.
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>When those lyrics were posted, they came with the explicit warning that
>they had mistakes. My copy of Who Killed The JAMS? is at *least* a third
>generation tape because I never have the money to buy things when they
>become available. Plus, I'm not exactly the greatest person at cutting
>through accents.
No excuse! I didn't buy them when they were released either,but a bit of
searching around record stores in the UK found me the originals.My copy
of "Who Killed the JAMS" isn't too healthy but I can still decipher it.
>If the quality of the transcription isn't up to your exacting standards,
>make your own, but until you do, DON'T FLAME THE VOLUNTEER EFFORTS OF
>THE REST OF US.
Oooh.Don't get stroppy! It was an observation,not a flame!
>> This is only one of hundreds of mistakes.I'm not going to list them all but
>I
>> think someone should try listening to the songs next time!
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>What could I have been thinking? I was just making lyrics up as I went
>along! Amazing how I got them to pretty much fit the rhythym, don't you
>think?
Hey,you could have been listing them from memory! It seems that way.
>(Flame? Me? Never!)
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Flame? You? YES!!!

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>-Neil Kelly, Student Aide Staff
stnk@maristb.bitnet
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------->->"He was a little dog named Snuckles." (Casey Kasem, as used by Negativland)
Tony
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prabhu@cs.umass.edu (Rajesh Prabhu)

rmvrshek@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu
Tue, 1 Mar 94 20:19:28 -0500
Re: Domestic Ultraworld Release
Well, according to the friendly folks at the neighborhood music store,

it's been delayed indefinitely :-(
-- Rajesh
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (Paterson)
Tue, 1 Mar 1994 18:34:53 -0700 (MST)
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> it's been delayed indefinitely :-(
I think they're yanking your chain. I have copies on the way, and if I had
my sh*t together, I would've had copies by now. My distributor has them,
so they're definitely not delayed.
Dave
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Re: Jimmy Cauty
> Well, if they use an Atari, they must be semi-computer literate. It would
> be pretty good to be mailing jimmy@klf.org!
Arrrggghh!! Atari computers are the computers that are used in music studios.
if you don't no that, then you are an computer literate!
> Excuse me, for this full-nerdish-remark, but this moeller guy, always picks
> on atari, while it IS the music computer #1.
Well, excuuuuuuse me, but for once :) I wasn't picking on Ataris! Have another
look at my above sentence. Read it again. Am I picking on Ataris?
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Wed, 2 Mar 94 12:45:56 EDT
Re: Jimmy Cauty
Mario MOELLER wrote:

>Well, if they use an Atari, they must be semi-computer literate. It would
>be pretty good to be mailing jimmy@klf.org!
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>] telnet klf.org
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>Trying 138.23.23.23
>Connected to klf.org.
>Escape character is '^K'.
heh! too bad escape characters are defined on the host you're
coming from, not the one you're going to ;-)
But of course I always have my escape character set to ^K. It's K time!
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Re: Jimmy Cauty
> > Well, if they use an Atari, they must be semi-computer literate. It would
> > be pretty good to be mailing jimmy@klf.org!
> Arrrggghh!! Atari computers are the computers that are used in music studios
> if you don't no that, then you are an computer literate!
It's my buddy Onstwedder!

Look, if you don't understand what someone wrote, don't respond. Mario was
extolling Cauty's computer literacy, not illiteracy.
Dave, pinching a loaf...
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Tue, 1 Mar 1994 22:01:51 -0500 (EST)
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I have my copy of "the orb's adventures beyond the ultraworld"
double album=2 cd set
catalog # 535005-2 lable=Island Red Label
Any questions may be sent to me directly via email!
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Tue, 1 Mar 1994 22:10:32 -0500 (EST)
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The street date according to Island Red Label is 3/01/94.
Stores should have it instock any day now.
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The street date according to Island Red Label is 3/01/94.
Stores should have it instock any day now.
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Groovy Dave <camde933@uidaho.edu>

BRAD SHELTON <941SHELTON@MERLIN.NLU.EDU>
Tue, 1 Mar 1994 21:26:02 -0700 (PDT)
Re: BPM
Well, I'll throw in my bit of musical knowledge here....the BPM's

of a song tend to follow the following pattern: Tempo. If you have a
metronome, then those little metronome markings also tend to be the
tempo, or sometimes BPM markings. The best way, is to find the temp of
the song. You can feel a "pulse" behind each track which let's you know
what the temp is. Next, use a stopwatch, and let it run for 15 seconds.
Count how many Pulses you feel in this time period. Then, multiply that
number by 4, and you have the general BPM of a song. Remember, the
underlying pulse is essential. In musical notation, this is the time
signature, but since we don't have sheet music for these tracks 8-)
you'll have to make the best guess possible.
Hope that helps!
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"Kelly, Neil" <STNK@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU>
Tue, 1 Mar 1994 21:39:38 -0700 (PDT)
> I just received the KLF lyrics via ftp and I just want to say that there are
> far too many mistakes in them.Did the transcribers listen to the songs on an
> old broken down grammophone or something?
Oh, I suppose you're perfect? I don't see you volunteering to type anything in, do I? If you're not going to do anything about it, DON'T
EXPECT ANY SYMPATHY WHEN YOU BITCH ABOUT IT.
Actually, I was using an Edison Wax cylinder...Why, do you have

something better?
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> think someone should try listening to the songs next time!
What could I have been thinking? I was just making lyrics up as I went
along! Amazing how I got them to pretty much fit the rhythym, don't you
think?
Heheheheh....thank you. A lovely response to a somewhat idiotic
letter. Hmmmmm...you know, that isn't a bad idea, making songs up and
then fitting them to someone elses rhythms. Hmmmmmm.....8-)
Groovy Dave
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dlkung@media.mit.edu
klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 02 Mar 94 01:26:32 -0500
KLF covers
Besides the What Time is Love covers and the Extreme Noise Terror/KLF
remake, does anyone know of any other covers of KLF tunes done by
other bands. The only one I know of is by the band The Final Cut who
do their own little version of Chill Out for about 10 seconds on their
track Clean the Machine on the album Consumed. It's an admirable effort,
short, but admirable, complete with that zhu-zhu-zhu-zhu-zhu sound,
steel guitar and that "If you need me baby" sample. It's been awhile
since I checked the FAQ, but I don't recall this string being on it,
if so, sorry. Oh well, enjoy the trivia.
-dave
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lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (KLF)
Tue, 1 Mar 1994 23:44:55 -0700 (MST)
KLF covers
> Besides the What Time is Love covers and the Extreme Noise Terror/KLF
> remake, does anyone know of any other covers of KLF tunes done by
> other bands.
Here's a couple I have down in the discog:
12": 1991 UK (Desire SKMX 22)
Mirage: Everybody Dance Now!
[megamix, includes "3 a.m." cover]
[God Machine: Home (single)]
7": 1993 UK (Fiction FIC SP47) [silver vinyl]
12": 1993 UK (Fiction...) [promo]
What Time Is Love?
-Lazlo (lazlo@unm.edu)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------various internal organs of mine are starting to
vibrate in a way that may not be healthy
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Wed, 2 Mar 94 18:17:25 EDT
Re: KLF covers
Hey, talking 'bout covers, I heard a *really* dodgy version of J&A which
was on a compilation tape produced by some small time label. The whole
tape was basically full of covers, all of them dodgy as.
Actually, J&A was so bad, the rap part was singing completely differnt things!
Instead of singing "shaga shan isa go" they were singing things
like "I have to go". Man, it was terrible.
Bad karaoke!
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Stephen Degnan <S.R.DEGNAN@dundee.ac.uk>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
2 Mar 94 08:18:48
Re: KLF covers
>
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other bands. The only one I know of is by the band The Final Cut who
do their own little version of Chill Out for about 10 seconds on their
track Clean the Machine on the album Consumed. It's an admirable effort,
short, but admirable, complete with that zhu-zhu-zhu-zhu-zhu sound,
steel guitar and that "If you need me baby" sample. It's been awhile
since I checked the FAQ, but I don't recall this string being on it,
if so, sorry. Oh well, enjoy the trivia.
The God Machine did a more recent cover of 'What Time is Love'. It was
the flip side of their single 'Home'. A pretty crap band, so they
are, but I managed to pick this up on promo 12" for stlg1.50. The cover
version is actually quite good (very similar to the ENT track)
Stephen
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Mark Dobie <mrd@ecs.soton.ac.uk>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 2 Mar 1994 09:22:00 +0000 (GMT)
Re: Clipper petition (and something vaguely relevant too)
> Sorry to waste bandwidth but I think this is a very good cause
Oh please...how many more times? You realise this is an international
list don't you? Why not post it on some local newsgroups with a US
distibution. Then again, some of these things can be quite amusing for
us foreigners :)
OrbRelevantStuff: I picked up System 7 by System 7 the other week on the
basis of it being in the Orb discography. It must be similar if its in
the same discography I thought...anyway, I like it. Good stuff.
While in the shop I noticed another CD by 3MB (called 3MB I think). It
was the artwork that I noticed first. Anyway, on closer inspection the
small print yielded the name of Alex Paterson and one the others (I'm a
newbie so I don't know them all yet :))
Anyone know what this is? It was quite pricey so I left it there.
Mark
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Wed, 2 Mar 94 11:42:47 EET
Re: Tong Poo Remixes.
> Not only is it not rare, it's not particularly good, either. Both the
> mixes on Hi Tech/No Crime are better than this CD. If you paid
> a bunch of bucks for it, I'd trade it in for a Technodon Remixes II
> CD. It's sooooo much better...
Ok.. so the next question: Anyone willing to swap items ? O:)
You can offer almost anything by Orb (excluding UForb/live93/aubreymixes)
and some depeche mode singles (xlcdbong18,lcdbong19,lcdbong20 and other 'rare'
stuff).
> I sure hope you didn't pay more than $15, which is how much I paid
> for mine. But I'm obsessed, I'm keeping it anyway...
Yeah, I kinda did ;) Don't know the current exchange rate but I'd say I did
pay a bit more for it (not much but more nevertheless). I guess I'll end up
keeping mine if nobody buys it from me or makes a swap :)
I have no great objections for keeping it btw :)
Janne
---------From: "Kelly, Neil" <STNK@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU>
To: <they-might-be@gnu.ai.mit.edu>, <introspective@tcp.com>,
Date:
Wed, 02 Mar 94 08:39:26 EST
Subject: If I see CLIPPER one more time...
I swear, if I see that Clipper thing just one more time, I may just
have to dig out some huge files and fill up some people's disk space
with useless garbage. Just a warning to anyone who might think of
trying it...I have a 600K file and the ability to create a program to
send it ten or twelve times.
Just to keep this related to the lists, I think that <TMBG/KLF/PSB>
are cool. (Pick one, whichever list this is.)
stnk@maristb.bitnet
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pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (Orb list)
Wed, 2 Mar 1994 08:55:26 -0700 (MST)
>
Actually, I was using an Edison Wax cylinder...Why, do you have
> something better?
You've got the KLF releases on Edison Wax? COOOL!! Lazlo, what are the
catalog numbers for these?
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Martin Smith <mbs@ns.ph.liv.ac.uk>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 2 Mar 94 16:51:09 GMT
subscribe
is this the address for subscriptions?
if not, what is?

martin
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Michael Entler <mentler@calvin.linfield.edu>

Mario MOELLER <moeller@MUNDIL.CS.MU.OZ.AU>
Wed, 2 Mar 1994 12:13:58 -0800 (PST)
Re: Jimmy Cauty
On Wed, 2 Mar 1994, Mario MOELLER wrote:

> > > Well, if they use an Atari, they must be semi-computer literate. It would
> > > be pretty good to be mailing jimmy@klf.org!
> > Arrrggghh!! Atari computers are the computers that are used in music studios
.
> > if you don't no that, then you are an computer literate!
> >
> > Excuse me, for this full-nerdish-remark, but this moeller guy, always picks
> > on atari, while it IS the music computer #1.
>
> Well, excuuuuuuse me, but for once :) I wasn't picking on Ataris! Have anothe
r
> look at my above sentence. Read it again. Am I picking on Ataris?
>
Yes, ataris were the fisr to implement a standard midi port... but....
I refuse to belive they are THE music computer....that sounds awfully
funny to me....
Perhaps I just haven't followed atari for some years...
Please inform me ....
Thank you....
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dlkung@MEDIA.MIT.EDU
Wed, 2 Mar 1994 12:17:40 -0800 (PST)
Re: KLF covers
On Wed, 2 Mar 1994 dlkung@MEDIA.MIT.EDU wrote:

>
> other bands. The only one I know of is by the band The Final Cut who
> do their own little version of Chill Out for about 10 seconds on their
> track Clean the Machine on the album Consumed. It's an admirable effort,
> short, but admirable, complete with that zhu-zhu-zhu-zhu-zhu sound,
> steel guitar and that "If you need me baby" sample. It's been awhile
> since I checked the FAQ, but I don't recall this string being on it,
> if so, sorry. Oh well, enjoy the trivia.
>
> -dave
>
The only one i know of is a What Time Is Love cover by God machine on a
promo single of HOME....probably everyone has this though.....
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Culfinion <culf@city.ac.uk>
klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (The KLF/Orb/Ambient Mailing List)
Thu, 3 Mar 94 11:54:22 GMT
Re: Jimmy Cauty
] telnet klf.org
Trying 138.23.23.23
Hehe - this is quite funny actually!

Culf.
...............................................................................
Culfinion. Email:
culf@city.ac.UK
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xa321@city.ac.UK
"You did things that would make the censor cry. Political sadists are never in
short supply, you promised me... you promised me... Hysteria." -- Mark Stewart
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humphrey@unity.ncsu.edu
klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (klf list), bpm@andrew.cmu.edu (bpm list)
Thu, 3 Mar 1994 16:16:03 -0500 (EST)
mark turner please reply
mark turner, i lost your address. please contact me.

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////////// john
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moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mars)
culf@city.ac.uk
Fri, 4 Mar 94 14:41:29 EDT
Re: Jimmy Cauty
] telnet klf.org
Trying 138.23.23.23
Hehe - this is quite funny actually!
If only it were true . .. imagine ftp'ing .... you'd be able to grab every
(correct!) lyric to any song, get *all* of the KLF info sheets in existance.
Telnetting, well, maybe you could log onto the KLF's 'bulletin board',
where one could even feasably have accounts. New releases? You'd hear about
it first!
And even just being able to e-mail 'em ... send lots of pretty pleases
to Bill & Jimmy begging for a copy of K Cera Cera. Even for some spare
cash when you're low :-)
And now, back to the real world.
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rsgour@aol.com
klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Fri, 04 Mar 94 01:09:00 EST
Chaos Control Magazine
Chaos Control, a Macintosh Hypercard music magazine, now has a new home.
Issues 3-6 are now at cyberden.com, in the directory zines/Chaos_Control. For
non-mac users, the text files are at world.std.com, directory
obi/zines/Chaos.Control. Included in issue #6 are KMFDM, Cabaret Voltaire,
Sect, One Dove, and more. The version at cyberden is a compact edition; there
also a larger disk version with lots of hypertext and sound. It's available
by sending $5 to Bob Gourley, 3 Greenville Dr., Barrington, RI, 02806, USA.
Issue #7, due out in late March, will have interviews with The Orb, Autechre,
The Other Two, DDT, and much more. For more info, email rsgour@aol.com or
Rgour@world.std.com.
---------From: cfraser@island.amtsgi.bc.ca (argon lazer battlegrid)
To: jcavery2@pegasus.rutgers.edu
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 11:42:12 -0800
Somebody just sent out a list of records for sale.
For sale were a couple of prodigy records.
I deleted the mail by accident and now I want one
of the records listed.
If this was one of you, could you mail me back please.
Specifically, I am looking for The Prodigy-Out of Space
on vinyl. If any of you can help me out, great.
Thanks very much and sorry for filling your mailboxes and
wasting bandwidth with this.
-Chris Fraser
&:^)
! Definition of a chauvinist: A man
ub141@freenet.victoria.bc.ca ! who thinks 'harass' is two words.
cfraser@island.amtsgi.bc.ca <= Finger me for my PGP2.3 public key
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John Clawson <JCLAWSON@DREW.DREW.EDU>

KLF@asylum.sf.ca.us
Fri, 04 Mar 1994 20:32:11 -0400 (EDT)
CMJ Mention...
Date:
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Dept:
Tel No:
TO: Remote Addressee
04-Mar-1994 08:26pm EST

Clawson, John
JCLAWSON
STUDENT3
(201)-408-4956
( _in%KLF@ASYLUM.SF.CA.US )
Subject: CMJ Mention...

Greets all..
I haven't received a message in a couple of days and it might be
due to some sort of problem, but in any case....maybe there's nothing to
talk about (I doubt it)....
In case there isn't:
Everyone should run out and pick up this weeks CMJ magazine (if
you can find it). There is an Orb article on the first page of real print
(Page 3) and the second half of the article is devoted to US!!!
Transcentral is mentioned in all sorts of ways. Lazlo is mentioned by
name and our conversations are mentioned. Hell, even Alex was quoted as
saying that they've been trying to infiltrate us. They said maybe he's
using a pseudonym or something. Quite interesting little article, even if
it is gratifying to the list.
(I just realized that if Alex and/or Kris is reading this, they're
probably laughing at our stupidity, er, rather mine...oh well).
If noone else gets to it first, perhaps I'll type in the article
(if it doesn't get lost at the radio station)...ta for now.
Jay (who desperately need to find a sigfile on this mailer)
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Fri, 4 Mar 1994 19:37:18 -0700 (MST)
CMJ Mention...
> Everyone should run out and pick up this weeks CMJ magazine (if you can
> find it). There is an Orb article on the first page of real print (Page
> 3) and the second half of the article is devoted to US!!!
Assuming this is legit (and not just some hoax designed to make my little
heart go pit-a-pat, *John* :-) I'd be very grateful to anyone who could
provide me with a copy of this issue.
Not like I needed an excuse to go out magazine-shopping tonight, but . . .
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Douglas Wolk <dbcloud@panix.com>

Lazlo Nibble <lazlo@TRITON.UNM.EDU>
Sat, 5 Mar 1994 03:46:50 -0500 (EST)
Re: CMJ Mention...
On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, Lazlo Nibble wrote:

> > Everyone should run out and pick up this weeks CMJ magazine (if you can
> > find it). There is an Orb article on the first page of real print (Page
> > 3) and the second half of the article is devoted to US!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
Assuming this is legit (and not just some hoax designed to make my little
heart go pit-a-pat, *John* :-) I'd be very grateful to anyone who could
provide me with a copy of this issue.
Not like I needed an excuse to go out magazine-shopping tonight, but . . .
It's definitely legit: I wrote it (well, at least the part that references
the list). Don't worry, I directed people to klf-request, not the posting
address.
Also, please note that you're not going to find it on any newsstand or in
any store, unless you happen to be near See Hear. This was in _CMJ New
Music Report_, the trade weekly, which is available only by subscription.
No, I don't have any extras. (The magazine you'll find on some newsstands
is _CMJ New Music Monthly_, of which I'm the managing editor; the issue
that's going off sale right around now includes a CD that has the live
album's version of "Perpetual Dawn" on it, and no before you ask it's not
different from the album version at all. They're two different magazines
published by the same company.)
Douglas D. Wolk dbcloud@panix.com
"If you're going to lead a double life, _lead a double life_."
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donpierr@netcom.com (Don Gray)

idm@techno.Stanford.EDU
Sun, 6 Mar 1994 01:56:55 -0800
William Orbit's "Strange Cargo III"
I just got William Orbit's "Strange Cargo III" CD. I have been listening
to it nonstop since I got it. It is absolutlely *amazing*. It takes the
best elements of some of my favorite groups and puts it together into
something that it should be, much like rave DJs as creators of musical
fabric. What he has attained is a worthy goal of musicians and DJs.
It kinda reminds me of the saucy, love-laced, ethereal melodies of Enigma,
but it's much more sophisticated. It has the happy elements of Fluke, but
is much better developed. It has some of the ambient themes of the Orb in
it, but, again, I must say that it is delivered by a true master (not that
Alex and Jimmy aren't). (and this from a died-in-the-wool Orb fan, with
all their CDs [if that is even a worthy quantifier]) It has the textures
of Jam & Spoon as well as the hard-driving brooding bass element of Bauhaus
to it at times...
Quite a masterpiece in my opinion. This is something I will be listening
to for a long time. In fact, this may be the first CD that I actually wear
out (In a physical sense).
If you know of anything like this, PLEASE let me know (I know I made a
request for this in a previous post, but I *really* needed to wax
philosophic about this one. This is my vote for an *emotional* CD).
Thanks,
Don
donpierr@netcom.com
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Robert Sink <sinkr@universe.digex.net>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Sun, 6 Mar 1994 05:59:35 -0500 (EST)
The Orb Aubrey Mixes: Excursions Beyond The Ultraworld
Okie-dokie boys and girls for those of you interested in acquiring the imported
(out-of-print) Big-Life version of The Aubrey Mixes, I know a place that just
received two of them (1 is already gone -- they sent it to me...) but as of
Saturday they have 1 copy left in the store.
The store name is Spins, they're located in Greensboro, NC and their phone #
is as follows: 910-274-8530. They DO (do) mail-orders w/ CC#'s and only charge
a mere $2.00 shipping and handling.
They also seem to have a pretty good hamdle on being able to get other hard
to find items as well...
BTW, the price of the CD is $21.99 -- no tax if yer not a NC resident.
Have fun and GURK GURK!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------Robert Sink
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Gordon Bell <gbel@dcs.ed.ac.uk>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Sun, 6 Mar 94 12:58:05 GMT
KLF song ID
Hi all,
I just bought the moody boys remix CD od 3am Eternal, and whilst I
like it, it does not have a version of the song which starts with "London, by
night all alone, London by night on my own" or similar, which I have a copy
of on tape. I thought it was a Moody Boy remix, but obviousley not! So where
can I get it? Also is the Pure Trance #1, any good I saw it recently but it
was a bit pricey so how much should I pay? Thanks in advance,
Gordon
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shredder@ai.mit.edu (Ian Melven)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Sun, 6 Mar 94 10:41:18 EST
Killing Joke
I just got Killing Joke's 'Laugh? I nearly bought one!' compilation..

it's interesting to note how being a roadie for them may have
influenced Alex Patterson.. Anyone else think that it may have,
or is it just one of my delusions?
-- ian
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Brian Hostetler <bhostetl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (orb)
Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:03:34 -0500 (EST)
Mantra
Dunno if anyone cares, but I was reading a friends copy of 'Axcess'

(IMO a terrible magazine) and saw on the back page an ad for Axiom.
They listed the 'Mantra' CD5 and 12". I assume, since the magazine is
domestic (US), that the CD5 is coming out in the US. There is a
number to call-- 1.800.622.1387 to order their releases. Since I've
got a DAT on the way with the track on it (thanks Terre), I'm not too
concerned. HOWEVER, someone out there probably is. Call and post, I
guess.
-Brian
sex = differentiation = death
bhostetl@indiana.edu
bhostetl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Sun, 6 Mar 94 10:41:18 EST
Killing Joke
I just got Killing Joke's 'Laugh? I nearly bought one!' compilation..

it's interesting to note how being a roadie for them may have
influenced Alex Patterson.. Anyone else think that it may have,
or is it just one of my delusions?
-- ian
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lorend@cs.pdx.edu (loren r delamarter)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:35:34 -0800 (PST)
Orb video questions
Could someone describe the Orb video, please?

Live or studio?
-LorenD
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lorend@cs.pdx.edu
Sun, 6 Mar 94 20:46:49 EST
Orb video questions
From: lorend@cs.pdx.edu (loren r delamarter)

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:35:34 -0800 (PST)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL13]
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Could someone describe the Orb video, please?
Live or studio?
-LorenD
Live footage mixed with a great deal of animation.. Pretty pictures
of dolphins, space, and the like mixed with crowd shots, scenes
of their light show, and other stuff.. It compliments the music very
well, make sure you get the free CD with it too. A good buy. :)
-- ian
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gbel@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Gordon Bell)
Mon, 7 Mar 94 12:20:27 EST
Re: KLF song ID
>
> like it, it does not have a version of the song which starts with "London, by
> night all alone, London by night on my own" or similar, which I have a copy
> of on tape. I thought it was a Moody Boy remix, but obviousley not! So where
You'll find that on the 3am Eternal 12" with the big "2" on the front cover.
(Looks pretty similar to the WTIL? with the "1" on its cover)
When in doubt; check the discography!
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Kell Dockham <kdockha@calvin.linfield.edu>

Mars <moeller@MUNDIL.CS.MU.OZ.AU>
Sun, 6 Mar 1994 18:46:07 -0800 (PST)
Re: KLF song ID
On Mon, 7 Mar 1994, Mars wrote:

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> like it, it does not have a version of the song which starts with "London, b
> night all alone, London by night on my own" or similar, which I have a copy
> of on tape. I thought it was a Moody Boy remix, but obviousley not! So wher
You'll find that on the 3am Eternal 12" with the big "2" on the front cover.
(Looks pretty similar to the WTIL? with the "1" on its cover)
Also on a CDsingle i have of 3am eternal. Mine has:

Live at the SSL, Guns of Mu (the mix in question, i believe?), and 1989
Break For Love Mix (this is great!...or wait is this the mix with the
'london by night' etc?)
Also, on the Compact Disc Connection they're advertising for
$10.04+shipping a cdsingle of 'Last Train Remix (s)'...don't spose anyone
knows which version this is? I'll try to check myself, but sometimes i
have trouble getting through.

the kelp in the inkwell.
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Mon, 7 Mar 1994 01:35:31 -0600 (CST)
Orb video questions
Where do I get a hold of this luscious videotape?

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-- Stephenwolf
even makes the target enemy enjoy the experience."
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Jason H Mccalla <jmccalla@utdallas.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 7 Mar 1994 02:59:24 -0600
March Vox w/disc for sale...
I got it from Ear/Rational about two weeks ago.

I've listened to it(the cd) twice... it's alright, but the other tracks
just aren't to my taste(except the track by my hometown band Tripping
Daisy, of course!).
I will accept offers this week on it; I'm not looking to make any profit,
just cover my loss, so first one over a certain amount gets it...
ObKLF Quote:"They're justified, and they're ancient,
and they drive an ice cream van..."
---Jason "Mine's a 99!" Mccalla
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 7 Mar 1994 05:34:00 -0600
March Vox w/cd sold
sorry, y'all, it's now gone.

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rmvrshek@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu
Mon, 7 Mar 94 07:02:48 EST
Orb video questions
From: rmvrshek@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Robert M. Vrshek)

Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 01:35:31 -0600 (CST)

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Where do I get a hold of this luscious videotape?
I got my copy at HMV in Boston.. they still have a few copies there..
Does anyone know if they have actually released the video in NTSC format,
or if these are converted videos? More about the CD.. It's
Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld: Patterns and Textures version..
it has an early version of Towers of Dub. And it's all on one track.
:)
-- ian
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Mon, 7 Mar 1994 07:39:30 -0700 (MST)
Orb video questions
> Does anyone know if they have actually released the video in NTSC format,
> or if these are converted videos?
It was released that way. (If it wasn't, how could they have included the CD?)
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"Mike J. Brown" <mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

sinkr@universe.digex.net (Robert Sink)
Mon, 7 Mar 94 9:50:54 EST
Re: The Orb Aubrey Mixes: Excursions Beyond The Ultraworld
> Okie-dokie boys and girls for those of you interested in acquiring the
> imported (out-of-print) Big-Life version of The Aubrey Mixes,
[...]
I believe the CD you are referring to was recently reissued, though in what
quantity I don't know. It should be available through most importers in the
US.
Mike
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (KLF & ORB mailing list)
Mon, 7 Mar 94 15:31:29 GMT
X$X - Pete Robinson Article in MM
Hi,
Just found this article in this week's Melody Maker (5/3/94), thought it might
be of some interest:
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Merry Pranksters
Have the KLF sneaked back into the recording studio?
Or is somebody pulling a fast one on the Kings Of Con?
PETER ROBINSON reports
Photo by Ancient Of Mu Mu GRANT PEDEN
JIMI Cauty and Bill Drummond gained a reputation as scamsters of the highest
order during their five-year career as THE JUSTIFIED ANCIENTS OF MU MU, THE
TIMELORDS and THE KLF. In turn, they themselves were targeted and even
out-scammed on a number of occasions. Despite splitting up The KLF and leaving
the music business to work as THE K FOUNDATION, they've continued to attract
more than their fair share of pranksters, imposters and nutters.
There is, for example, WANDA DEE, the disco diva sampled on "What Time Is Love?"
and "Last Train To Trancentral", who recently toured America and Australia with
a troupe of scantily-clad male dancers under the name THE KLF EXPERIENCE. There
have also been records like HARDCORE OUTLAW's "It's Weird Out West", a thinly
disguised version of "It's Grim Up North", and PRESIDENT BASS' "Guns Of Mu Mu",
both of which are the work of London KLF freak Michael Mac. And let's not
forget last year's "Justified And Asian" by THE KK KINGS.
The latest group to be associated with Cauty and Drummond are XSX. Also known
as X$X, over the last few months they have released a CD and a number of
cassettes, the sleeves of which use the same style of artwork as that of The K
Foundation's adverts and bear Cauty and Drummond's current box number address.
The group have also distributed flyers boasting messages such as "Who Killed The
KLF?"
The XSX CD is called "The Black Room", the title of the unfinished album which
The KLF recorded with Extreme Noise Terror, and features 70 minutes of silence
apart from the words "Don't buy 'The Black Room'". Their most recent cassette
is "Now 1997", a play on The JAMMs' "1987 - What The F***'s Going On?" LP. This
includes extensive samples of The KLF and snatches of telephone conversations
between a member of XSX and a voice purporting to be Bill Drummond.
XSX's self-styled publicist, MICHAEL KEARNEY, aka Michael K, says the group has
three core members, including "a mysterious Jimi C". Beyond this, he is
unwilling to divulge any information about the identity of those involved.
Kearney does, however, claim that he was responsible for some of the footage
used in the behind the scenes documentary tagged on the end of The KLF's
"Stadium House" video. He also says that he is connected with Mickey McElwee,
the central character in The KLF's abandoned motion picture, "The White Room".
Mick Houghton, The KLF/K Foundation press officer, has consistently denied that
Cauty and Drummond have any association with XSX, while Bill Butt, the director
of "Stadium House", says he cannot recall anybody called Michael Kearney or
Michael K being involved in the project. Scott Piering, The KLF's radio
plugger, is similarly sceptical of Kearney's claims.
"This guy has a very complex general scheme and I don't fully understand his
purpose," says Piering. "But it's certainly more to do with guerilla media
manipulation than music. He's deeply absorbed in what he's doing, but I have a
feeling that he's a bit deluded, if not demented."
Jimi Cauty and Bill Drummond, meanwhile, are unconcerned. As they have
repeatedly declared in press statements, they no longer wish to have any
involvement in the music business. The day that is acceppted is the day The K
Foundation have succeeded.
Beware of any cheap imitations.

Peter Robinson is the author of the booklets, 'Justified And Ancient History:
The Unfolding Story Of The KLF' and 'History Rewritten: The Never Ending Story
Of The K Foundation'.
Have fun,
Nick
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 7 Mar 94 13:43:45 CST
Which LFC 12" was re-released
Which one of these "Little Fluffy Clouds" 12" was reissued with the recent CD5?
12": 1990 UK
8:26
7:03
4:29
(Big Life BLR 33T) (promo: ORB PROMO 2)

Little Fluffy Clouds (dance mk 2) [Youth & Thrash]
Into The Fourth Dimension: Essenes Beyond Control
Little Fluffy Clounds (ambient mk 1)
12": 1990 UK
7:10
4:05
9:05
(Big Life BLR 33R) [Dec 1990]

Little Fluffy Clouds (drum and vox mix)
Little Fluffy Clouds (seven inch mk 1)
Into The Fourth Extension
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Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:15:36 -0700 (MST)
> Which one of these "Little Fluffy Clouds" 12" was reissued with the
> recent CD5?
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12": 1990 UK (Big Life BLR 33T)
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12": 1990 UK (Big Life BLR 33R)
Both. The reissues are BLR 98T and 98R respectively and track exactly as
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shredder@AI.MIT.EDU (Ian Melven)
Mon, 7 Mar 1994 09:42:56 +0000 (GMT)
Re: Orb video questions
> Live footage mixed with a great deal of animation.. Pretty pictures
> of dolphins, space, and the like mixed with crowd shots, scenes
> of their light show, and other stuff.. It compliments the music very
> well, make sure you get the free CD with it too. A good buy. :)
I often wondered about the free CD. Was it a limited edition when the video
came out or is it an American thing?
I've never seen one in the UK (but I have seen U.F.Orb with the extra CD).
Mark
-Mark Dobie
University of Southampton
MS Windows? Linux and X!

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mrd@ecs.soton.ac.uk
Mon, 7 Mar 94 15:47:17 EST
Orb video questions
From: Mark Dobie <mrd@ecs.soton.ac.uk>

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I often wondered about the free CD. Was it a limited edition when the video
came out or is it an American thing?
I've never seen one in the UK (but I have seen U.F.Orb with the extra CD).
Mark
When i was in the UK, August of '92, i saw the video with the free CD..
I don't know if it's limited edition or not, they seem to be getting new
ones in every once in a while at HMV in Boston..
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krieg@ct.med.ge.com
Mon, 7 Mar 94 16:29:30 EST
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 13:43:45 CST

From: krieg@ct.med.ge.com (Andrew Krieg 5-5379)
Which one of these "Little Fluffy Clouds" 12" was reissued with the recent CD
5?
I have this one, so i know this one has been.. i think i've seen the other
one too.. This one has REMIX in blue letters on the front..
12": 1990 UK
7:10
4:05
9:05

The other one has the same tracks as the reissue CD-5, minus the
original version of LFC.
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Andrew Krieg 5-5379 <krieg@CT.MED.GE.COM>
Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:56:33 -0800 (PST)
Re: Which LFC 12" was re-released
> Which one of these "Little Fluffy Clouds" 12" was reissued with the recent CD5
?
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12": 1990 UK (Big Life BLR 33T) (promo: ORB PROMO 2)
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8:26 Little Fluffy Clouds (dance mk 2) [Youth & Thrash]
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7:03 Into The Fourth Dimension: Essenes Beyond Control
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4:29 Little Fluffy Clounds (ambient mk 1)
This is the one i saw. Why they couldn't jam all of the music bits onto
one cd-5, you've got me. Experts, feel free to chime in!
yay
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Hank@world.std.com
Mon, 7 Mar 1994 23:52:51 -0500 (EST)
F.Y.I.
I just received a copy of the new Aphex Twin. It is very very Eno.
Ambient from start to finish. Not much more to say about it.
Lable: Sire
Catalog # 45482
Title: "Part #1"
Track listing: 1) 7:22, 2) 6.27, 3) 7:35, 4) 8:50, 5) 3:26, 6) 8:42
7) 5:01, 8) 6:47, 9) 9:48, 10) 7:09, 11) 2:38
Thats right no titles just times!
.........Hank
Ps. I don't know when the release date is but I will post it when I find
out.
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Tue, 08 Mar 1994 13:36:33 +0000
> Which one of these "Little Fluffy Clouds" 12" was reissued with the recent CD5
?
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12": 1990 UK
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4:05
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9:05
Little Fluffy Clouds (dance mk 2) [Youth & Thrash]

Into The Fourth Dimension: Essenes Beyond Control
Little Fluffy Clounds (ambient mk 1)

Both. The reissues have new catalogue numbers, though.

Cosmic
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Tue, 08 Mar 1994 13:55:59 +0000
> When i was in the UK, August of '92, i saw the video with the free CD..
> I don't know if it's limited edition or not, they seem to be getting new
> ones in every once in a while at HMV in Boston..
>
>
Ian
The CD was a limited edition, and as far as I'm aware only early
copies of the video came with the free CD. However, I have a feeling
that they only did one run of NTSC conversions, so most NTSC copies
are early copies.
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> > Which one of these "Little Fluffy Clouds" 12" was reissued with the recent C
D5?
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8:26 Little Fluffy Clouds (dance mk 2) [Youth & Thrash]
> >
7:03 Into The Fourth Dimension: Essenes Beyond Control
> >
4:29 Little Fluffy Clounds (ambient mk 1)
>
> This is the one i saw. Why they couldn't jam all of the music bits onto
> one cd-5, you've got me. Experts, feel free to chime in!
>
Because it's a UK release, and Big Life want it to chart in the UK.
In order to qualify as a single, UK chart rules require it to be no
longer than 20 minutes (or is it 25, I forget.)
Cosmic
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Tue, 8 Mar 1994 07:42:02 -0700 (MST)
Some things I acquired
Jam on the Mutha "Hotel California" with one Orb remix: Barely remade version
of a classic original. The Orb remix is half-hearted as well.
Keichi Suzuki "Satellite Serenade" (Blue Vinyl): Don't lose sleep over this
one. The exact same pressing as the black vinyl version, with the "I Love
You" remix on the other side.
West India Co. "O Je Suis Seul" with one Orb remix: Very nice original and a
swell Orb remix.
Wir "So Slow it Grows" with one Orb remix: My favorite of the batch.
Definitely one of the best Orb remixes of all time.
Zoe "Sunshine on a Rainy Day": Second place in this batch. Not a bad original
either.
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Tue, 8 Mar 1994 08:36:32 -0700 (MST)
UK chart rules
> In order to qualify as a single, UK chart rules require it to be no

> longer than 20 minutes (or is it 25, I forget.)
Maximum time on a single is 40:00 if there's only versions of one song on the
disc, 25:00 if there's versions of more than one song. If you go over that,
the single won't chart.
Quick mnemonic: these times just *happen* to exactly match the total track
times of the two UK CD5s for "Blue Room". Fancy that. :-)
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Tue, 08 Mar 1994 15:29:26 +0000
Re: Some things I acquired
> Keichi Suzuki "Satellite Serenade" (Blue Vinyl): Don't lose sleep over this
> one. The exact same pressing as the black vinyl version, with the "I Love
> You" remix on the other side.
Indeed. The blue vinyl is the promo, with Satellite Serenade on the A
side and I love you on the B side. The real release was supposed to
have a different track listing, but they ran into legal difficulties,
and it never got released. They'd already printed the artwork by that
point, however, so they pressed up the promo on black vinyl and
unofficially released it.
That's why the track listing on the sleeve of the black vinyl release
in wrong. If you look at the matrix numbers on the black vinyl,
you'll see it was pressed from the same masters, with the promo matrix
number scratched out and replaced.
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Tue, 8 Mar 1994 10:59:16 -0500 (EST)
are early copies.
Can someone tell me what NTSC conversion is. I bought my copy -with free
CD- in Toronto and haven't had a problem watching or listening to
anything. I bought it when it first came out.>
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> Can someone tell me what NTSC conversion is. I bought my copy -with free
> CD- in Toronto and haven't had a problem watching or listening to
> anything. I bought it when it first came out.>
There are three major color television standards in use worldwide.
NTSC is used in North America and (I think) Japan. PAL is used in
Western Europe, and SECAM is used in France and Eastern Europe.
Even though all VHS cassettes look the same, they are actually
recorded in one of three diferent formats. Which is why prerecorded
cassettes will always say on them (eg VHS-PAL, VHS-NTSC, etc....) If
you try and play a video that's in the wrong format, then typically it
either won't work at all, or you'll get a black-and-white picture.
Unless of course you're using special multi-standard video and tv
equipment.
The original UK release was recorded in PAL format for the European
market. A batch of NTSC format videos were produced for the American
market.
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mturner@netcom.com (Mark Turner)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
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are early copies.
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Cosmic
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The U.K. and the U.S. have different video standards: PAL for the U.K.,
and NTSC for the U.S. (and Canada). Tapes recorded with the PAL
standard will not play on U.S. VCR's, and vice versa. However, if you
live in a major metropolitan area, you can probably find shops that
will do PAL-to-NTSC conversions for you. The resulting quality will
not be as good as the original, but it's a good option if you want
a video that's only available in PAL format. In the case of the Orb
video, the NTSC copies were most likely made from master tapes, so
should be of excellent quality.
BTW, thanks to someone's tip yesterday, I called HMV in Cambridge
and was able to mail-order a copy of the Orb video with free CD.
Don't know if they have any more copies, but it's certainly worth
a phone call.
-Mark Turner
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 8 Mar 94 10:24:45 CST
Re: UK chart rules
>>Maximum time on a single is 40:00 if there's only versions of one song on the
>>disc, 25:00 if there's versions of more than one song. If you go over that,
>>the single won't chart.
Maybe this isn't the place for this discussion, but I've always wondered
*why* this stupid rule exists. Who made it up and why do folks adhere to
it? It just seems very asinine to me.
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (trancentral)
Tue, 8 Mar 1994 10:56:11 -0600 (CST)
Re: UK chart rules
Andrew Krieg 5-5379 wrote:

>Maybe this isn't the place for this discussion, but I've always wondered
>*why* this stupid rule exists. Who made it up and why do folks adhere to
>it? It just seems very asinine to me.
I completely agree! Personally, I could do with about 40 _more_
minutes of Blue Room...
...but I suspect that reason is to keep bands from competing with
length for places on the charts. Or something. Gosh, English is
so confusing sometimes.
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Christopher R Garcia <mucrg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>

KLF/ORB/SYSTEM 7 MAILING LIST <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Tue, 8 Mar 1994 11:02:13 -0600 (CST)
Primal screams!
Fellow trancites...
Does anybody know where I can get the CD single for KLF's "It's
Grim Up North"? I saw it a while ago, but now the store claims they've
never had it. Is it out of print? I have a copy on cassette, but I'd
much rather have it on CD. I believe it was an import.
Thanks.... Chris (Primal)
[---Christopher Garcia
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pashdown@SLACK.SIM.ES.COM (Pete Ashdown)
Tue, 8 Mar 94 17:43:27 GMT
Hi,
I've just compiled a couple of queries, regarding various Orb mixes, brought up
by Pete Ashdown:
>
> Jam on the Mutha "Hotel California" with one Orb remix: Barely remade version
> of a classic original. The Orb remix is half-hearted as well.
>
I've got the CD Single (with no Orb remix on it) - does the Orb mix improve on
this?
> West India Co. "O Je Suis Seul" with one Orb remix: Very nice original and a
> swell Orb remix.
>
Is this US 12" still available? I'm asking this, because it was the very first
Orb remix 12" made - together with Jimi Cauty.
> Wir "So Slow it Grows" with one Orb remix: My favorite of the batch.
> Definitely one of the best Orb remixes of all time.
>
Yep, this is is a very good remix - I would recommend this one.
> Zoe "Sunshine on a Rainy Day": Second place in this batch. Not a bad original
> either.
>
Haven't heard this yet - only heard the re-issue hit single. How does this
remix differ from the hit single?
Finally, IMHO, the best Orb mix I've heard so far, is the mix of "Miracle" by
System 7 - anybody else agree with me on this?
Regards,
Nick
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Jon Drukman <jdrukman@us.oracle.com>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 8 Mar 94 09:44:45 PST
Re: UK chart rules
lazlo writes:
>Maximum time on a single is 40:00 if there's only versions of one song on the
>disc, 25:00 if there's versions of more than one song. If you go over that,
>the single won't chart.
also you can't have more than 4 different songs on any given disc if
you want it to still be considered as a single. so you couldn't make
25 1-minute songs and call it a single.
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 8 Mar 94 18:02:42 GMT
Re: Primal screams!
i thought all klf/jamms/etc. stuff was deleted

forever when they left the music industry.
so i think their is no chance of finding IGUN,
apart from 2nd hand stores.
martin
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mucrg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Christopher R Garcia)
Tue, 8 Mar 94 13:14:40 EST
Re: Primal screams!
>
Does anybody know where I can get the CD single for KLF's "It's
> Grim Up North"? I saw it a while ago, but now the store claims they've
> never had it. Is it out of print?
Yes, it was released on KLF Communications in the UK, so it is out of
print.
If you asked the store to look up the CD under the name KLF, that's why
it didn't show on their computer -- "It's Grim Up North" was released
by the JAMS.
Watch those used CD bins!
Mike J. Brown
_ ___ ______________Approach and Identify
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Ambient Music Survey: FTP or Gopher techno.stanford.edu. Contributions needed!
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> Can someone tell me what NTSC conversion is. I bought my copy -with free
> CD- in Toronto and haven't had a problem watching or listening to
> anything. I bought it when it first came out.>
There are three major color television standards in use worldwide.
NTSC is used in North America and (I think) Japan. PAL is used in
Western Europe, and SECAM is used in France and Eastern Europe.
Even though all VHS cassettes look the same, they are actually
recorded in one of three diferent formats. Which is why prerecorded
cassettes will always say on them (eg VHS-PAL, VHS-NTSC, etc....) If
you try and play a video that's in the wrong format, then typically it
either won't work at all, or you'll get a black-and-white picture.
Unless of course you're using special multi-standard video and tv
equipment.
The original UK release was recorded in PAL format for the European
market. A batch of NTSC format videos were produced for the American
market.
Cosmic
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Date: Tue, 08 Mar 1994 18:36:05 +0000
Subject: Re: UK chart rules

> >Maybe this isn't the place for this discussion, but I've always wondered
> >*why* this stupid rule exists. Who made it up and why do folks adhere to
> >it? It just seems very asinine to me.
As to why the rule exists, I haven't a clue.
As to why folks adhere to it, simple. If they don't, then sales of
the record aren't counted towards the Gallup singles chart, which is one of
the most widely used charts.
Does anyone know whether the Network singles chart (the other major UK
chart) uses the same rules...?
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ENG_ST712528@emuvax.emich.edu (Woodman Digital, Ltd.)
Tue, 08 Mar 1994 18:45:45 +0000
> So is that why some UK singles (like Orb's Assassin, and NewOrder's Spooky)
> are 2-disc? They sell them in separate parts and then hope they both do well?
Well, partly because if they put all the tracks on a single disc it'd
be too long to qualify for the charts under the 25 minute rule.
But mainly because due to another quirk of the Gallup chart rules, the
sales of the 2 discs are summed together!
You can release a single in up to 4 formats (eg 7", 12", cassette and
CD5), and all the sales get totally up. However, you can choose what
your 4 formats are, and the track listing on each of your formats
needn't be the same. All that matters is that the total playing time
of each format is no more than 25 minutes (40 minutes if it's all
mixes of one track).
If you release as your 4 formats, say a cassette, a 12" a CD5 and a
remix CD5, and you hope that most of your fans will buy both the CD5
and the remix CD5, then bingo, you've got 2 sales per fan....
Cosmic
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Tue, 8 Mar 94 14:26:33 EST
Video
Just a quick question:

Can somebody give a good reason why is more than one VHS format?
Just wonderin'
Hugh
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c4nk@de-montfort.ac.uk (Nick King)
Tue, 8 Mar 1994 12:28:27 -0700 (MST)
> I've got the CD Single (with no Orb remix on it) - does the Orb mix improve on
> this?
Not a lot. It is of the water/waves and drumbeat variety.
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> West India Co. "O Je Suis Seul" with one Orb remix: Very nice original and a
> swell Orb remix.
>
Is this US 12" still available? I'm asking this, because it was the very firs
Orb remix 12" made - together with Jimi Cauty.
I don't think there is a US 12". What I got is the UK.

> > Zoe "Sunshine on a Rainy Day": Second place in this batch. Not a bad origin
al
> > either.
>
> Haven't heard this yet - only heard the re-issue hit single. How does this
> remix differ from the hit single?
They stripped most of the lyrics and left vocal snippets. Then threw a very
cool beat over the whole thing and made it a bit spacier. Definite
improvement.
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Orb video questions
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 10:59:16 -0500 (EST)

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NTSC = US video/tv standard.. PAL = European (in this case, British) video/
tv standard.. that's why you can't buy videos in England and watch them
in N. America unless you have one of those k-rad dual standard vcr's
and a matching tv.
Assuming the Orb video was released in the UK first, it would have
been PAL, and would need to be converted to NTSC to watch it here..
The copy i bought had a white sticker saying "NTSC" on it..
-- ian
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Hugh James Sharpe <hjs15@COLUMBIA.EDU>
Tue, 8 Mar 1994 12:22:10 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Video
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> Can somebody give a good reason why is more than one VHS format?
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Why is there more than one Coke? 8-) Human nature to be
diverse, against any logical understanding.
Groovy Dave
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Subject: wearables?
Are there any mail-order/retail shops that sell KLF/JAMS gear, like the
JAMS axe, the "Shag Shag Shag" t-shirt, or the KLF Helicopter?
I don't know if it's been asked but as far as I can remember it's not in the
intro...
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mturner@netcom.com (Mark Turner)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 8 Mar 1994 13:19:19 -0800 (PST)
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Hugh
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This goes back to the dawn of television, when several countries
began simultaneously developing incompatible methods for transmitting
and receiving TV broadcasts. It's not strictly a VHS issue, but
much more fundamental.
-Mark Turner
mturner@netcom.com
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Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:19:52 -0500 (EST)
For Sale: Orb's URT
First $30 takes my Orb's UltraRare Trax CD.

-Brian
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Orpheus23 <orpheus@knuth.mtsu.edu>
Orb List <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Tue, 8 Mar 1994 19:14:56 -0500 (CDT)
Re: Wearables
Speaking of which, I'd really like to find some Orb shirts or some such.
Anyone know where I might be able to find something like that, save going
to an Orb performace a million miles away? :)
orpheus@knuth.mtsu.edu
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Orb Tour?
Does anyone know about the upcoming Orb Tour (particularly a Chicago date)? We
missed them last time around.
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---------From: Peter Santerre <winter@hebron.connected.com>
Date:
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Subject: Re: Orb Tour?
> Does anyone know about the upcoming Orb Tour (particularly a Chicago date)? W
e
> missed them last time around.
> -- Stephenwolf
Ya I'd like to hear if/what information there is on ORB tours also. I'm
in the Seattle area so information in that area would be particulalrly
interesting.
-LightWave / Pete
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"Ran A. Mano" <ramano@papaya.wustl.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 8 Mar 1994 21:32:50 -0600 (GMT-0600)
Orb Assasin on Vinyl
I found in a used record store today two Orb 12", both Assasin.
Printed in England: side I, Assasin the oasis of rhythms mix
side II, u.f.orb bandulu remix
I paid 9.50 for my copy, there is a another one waiting for me in the
record store, respond ASAP if interested.
BTW the catalog number is (I think) 863 875-1
this is a 1992 release.
Ran
"i am the bullet in the gun
i am the tuth from which you hide
and i control you

and i control you" - NIN
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mdwillia@teaching.cs.adelaide.edu.au (Matt Williams)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 9 Mar 1994 14:20:29 +1030 (CST)
absOrb
The 12" 'absOrb' has just arrived in Australia!

On the Island Red label it has the tracks:
huge evergrowing ......
assassin
It's got the entry form for the mix competition inside.
Could anyone please tell me if the tracks are the same as
the ones on Orb Live 93. If different, are they any good?
Is 'live orbient' a track or just a description of the 12.
If this has already been covered on the list then email
me privately. Cheers.
---------------------------------------------mdwillia@teaching.cs.adelaide.edu.au
"Sample it, loop it, f*** it and eat it!" PWEI
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Brazil <mauax@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
lazlo@TRITON.UNM.EDU (Lazlo Nibble)
Wed, 9 Mar 1994 12:34:21 +0000 (GMT)
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> > Does anyone know if they have actually released the video in NTSC format,
> > or if these are converted videos?
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> It was released that way. (If it wasn't, how could they have included the CD?)
>
Ooooo Noooo.....
The video was released on PAL UK first. Although master copies for the US
release would probably have come from a different source and put onto VHS
NTSC.
Cheers,
Brazil
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Hugh James Sharpe <hjs15@columbia.edu>
Wed, 09 Mar 1994 12:47:43 +0000
Re: Video
As I explained, because there are three major different colour tv
standards. ie a british tv set won't work in the us, and vice versa.
Essentially, colour tv was developed and standardized independently in
different parts of the world, and it would be just too expensive now
to replace all that investment in existing equipment.
Cosmic
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Wed, 9 Mar 1994 07:30:17 -0700 (MST)
>>> Does anyone know if they have actually released the video in NTSC
>>> format, or if these are converted videos?
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>> It was released that way.
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> Ooooo Noooo.....
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> The video was released on PAL UK first. Although master copies for the
> US release would probably have come from a different source and put onto
> VHS NTSC.
I don't doubt that; my point is that that NTSC copies are legitimate
production tapes and not cheap third-party conversions.
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To: Roy Badami <roy@harlequin.co.uk>
Date:
Wed, 9 Mar 1994 09:05:10 -0800
Subject: Re: Video
i thought there was only ntsc and pal ... what else is there ... HDtv?
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As I explained, because there are three major different colour tv
standards. ie a british tv set won't work in the us, and vice versa.
Essentially, colour tv was developed and standardized independently in
different parts of the world, and it would be just too expensive now
to replace all that investment in existing equipment.
Cosmic
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 9 Mar 94 10:04:45 PST
Re: Video
>i thought there was only ntsc and pal ... what else is there ... HDtv?
SECAM, the french system... which is very similar to PAL - similar
enought that just about all PAL sets & VCRs can handle SECAM anyway.
there are also several flavors of NTSC... it's all quite confusing.
bop on over to rec.video and ask about it sometime if you've got a
week to spare...
/j/
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Christopher R Garcia <mucrg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>

AMBIENT STUFF <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Wed, 9 Mar 1994 12:20:34 -0600 (CST)
Re: Orb Tour?
On Wed, 9 Mar 1994, STEPHENWOLF wrote:

>
>
> Does anyone know about the upcoming Orb Tour (particularly a Chicago date)? W
e
> missed them last time around.
Yeah...a Chicago date! When????????
Peace... Chris (Primal)
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mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin)

mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin)
Wed, 9 Mar 1994 13:22:35 -0600 (CST)
Orb Tour?
The latest Keyboard magazine only mentioned the Orb playing the East Coast.
I really hope their wrong...
Mark Conklin
mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu
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gt0269b@prism.gatech.edu (David D. Clark)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (K-L-F, uh-huh, uh-huh)
Wed, 9 Mar 1994 14:45:46 -0500
Re: Orb Tour?
>The latest Keyboard magazine only mentioned the Orb playing the East Coast.
>I really hope their wrong...
Hey, you westerners and midwesterners had your chance last year.
Hopefully the "East Coast" means the _south_east, like, say, oh,
Atlanta, no, not just Atlanta, but MY BACK YARD! FOR FOUR WEEKS
STRAIGHT! MUHAHAHAHA. Errm. Excuse me. <ahem>
-D
Dave Clark gt0269b@prism.gatech.edu
"Here it is, the middle of August and the coldest day of the year. It's
simply freezing; the dogs are sticking to the sidewalks..." -T. Wilder
---------From: "Stephen Reese" <SREESE@Calumet.Yorku.Ca>
Date:
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Subject:
Orb Remix Competition.
Hello all.
Could someone please send me full details about the Orb remix
competition discussed in the "Absorb" 12"? I need it ASAP, so if
someone would be so good as to help out, I'd be very, very grateful.
Thanks very much in advance,
Stephen
94/03/09
7:03 PM
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Stephen Reese <SREESE@CALUMET.YORKU.CA>
Wed, 9 Mar 1994 16:32:08 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Orb Remix Competition.
> Could someone please send me full details about the Orb remix
> competition discussed in the "Absorb" 12"? I need it ASAP, so if
> someone would be so good as to help out, I'd be very, very grateful.
I too would be ever so grateful if someone could send me the
rules. Thanks a bunch!
Groovy Dave
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To: KLF@asylum.sf.ca.us
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Wed, 09 Mar 94 20:30:55 PST
Subject:
orb tour
I've heard that the Orb might be operating a gig-like tent on the next
Lolalpaloza (sp?) tour, or that they will be hosting an after concert
party in various towns on the tour which would be incredible. Saw this rumor in
NME recently so who knows if it is true or not
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Thu, 10 Mar 94 03:28:05 EST
[fms@MIT.EDU: Re: Can someone give me the run down on Absorb (contest)
Sorry to post this to the list but in a frenzy of activity I deleted the
messages from people asking for this to be reposted so I'm not sure who they
were and decided to post the whole thing to the list again.
-------Here is the complete text of the contest card that comes with absorb
First, the highlights. This seems to be a US resident only contest. You
need to send a max 15 minute tape (no dats) to the address listed below.
Tapes need to be in by May 1, 1994 and the contest is judged on June 1, 1994.
The prizes are a pair of technics mkii turntables and 25 autographed orb live
cd/lp/cassettes.
Most of the rest is just legal mumbo jumbo, but I typed it all in, so I'll
send it to the list.
oh, there's a big ORB logo in grey in the background behind the blanks for you
to fill in, the big star from Adventures... and orb live.
- -absORB the ORB in your mix!
In celebration of ORB "live 93", Island Red Label invites you to absORB
this special limited edition ORB 12" on your own special mix tape. Fill in
the entry blank and send your absORB mix tape to the address below.
All styles accepted. Fifteen minute maximum time.

absORB mix
Island Records
Name:
Address:
City:
St:
Zip:
Phone:
727 N Hudson Street, Suite 100
Chicago, Il 60610
First place prize: 1 pair of Black UK Technics 1200 MKII turntables (a $800.00
value). 25 runners up will win an autorgraphed ORB live 93 lp/cd or cassette.
This contest is open to all djs and fans of the ORB. Proffesionand
and non-professional mixes will be accepted. 1 mix taper per entry.
absORB entires will be judged by creativity and selection of
production. Winners will be chosen by Island Records in its sole
discretion. No DATs. Cassettes only. This contest is subject to all
federal, state, and local laws and regulations. Liability for
federal, state, and other taxes is the sole responisibility of the
winners. Offer void where prohibited by law. Entry constitutes
permission to use the entrant's name, voice likeness, photograph and
entry for editorial, public relations, promotional, and compensation.
Entries must be postmarked by 5/1/94. Winners will be chosen on
6/1/94 and contacted by Island Records. Winners will be required to
sign an Affidavit of Eligibility and release within ten (10) days of
notification. If a winner is a minor, parental consent and an
affidavit and rlease is required. Island Records will provide the
following prizes. One pair of TECHNICS 1200 MKII Turntables, 25
autographed ORB "Live 93" CD, LP, or Cassette. No responsibility is
assumed for lost, late, or incomplete or misdirected mail. This
contest is open to residents of the US. Employess of Island Records,
Polygram Records, their employees, agents, affiliates, subsidiaries,
and families are not eligible. Winners agree tha the sponsors (listed
above), their affiliates and their agencies and employees shall not be
liable for injury, loss or damage of any kind resulting from
participation in this promotion or from acceptance or use of the
prizes awarded. For winners' names, available after june 1, 1994,
send a self-addressed stamped envelope to: Winner/absORB contest, c/o
Island Records, 727 Hudson, Street, Chicago, Il, 60610
- -I can't believe I typed that
[fletcher]
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Thu, 10 Mar 94 09:33:35 GMT
Re: Wearables
From orpheus@knuth.mtsu.edu Wed Mar 9 01:24:47 1994

Subject: Re: Wearables
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Speaking of which, I'd really like to find some Orb shirts or some such.
Anyone know where I might be able to find something like that, save going
to an Orb performace a million miles away? :)
orpheus@knuth.mtsu.edu
"ROCK-IT" here in the UK have a large range of T-shirts and hats, including
some ORB stuff. They also do mail order worldwide, and accept VISA, ACCESS &
International Money Orders. Here is what I saw in their ad in this weeks
Melody Maker:
T-shirts:-
Price (Pounds sterling)
ORB (Power Station, black)
11.99
Long Sleeves:ORB (Power Station)

ORB (Sheep, white)
15.99
15.99
Woolly hats:ORB (Logo)

ORB (Power Station)
9.99
9.99
Postage rates:
UK
1.00 per item
Europe
2.00 per item
Rest of World 3.00 per item surface mail,
4.50 air mail
Address: ROCK-IT (NME),

Unit 1,
Altona Bldgs,
6 East Grove,
Rushden,
Northants,
NN10 OAP,
UK.
Telephone: (0933) 311179
Fax:
(0933) 413279
Send two International Reply coupons for full catalogue.
Hope this is of some interest,
Cheers, Pete..
---------From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin)
To: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 13:42:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Spin doesn't dig Orb Live 93

I got the new Spin yesterday and was surprised to see a record review for Orb
Live 93. They gave it a yellow and basically said it was kind of boring. They
also gave the new David Lee Roth a yellow - so the Orb Live 93 and DLR are
about the same amount of goodness in Spin's judgement. I'm not sure how much I
rely on Spin as a critique of whats good or not, but a lot of people do which
is unforntunate because they will miss out on a really good disc (although a
lot of you don't like it because ot the poor sound quality - I think it kicks
ass). So whats my point? I'm not sure I know any more...
BTW, there is also a small review of ORB Live 93 in the new CMJ Monthly...I
will type it up if you want to read it.
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Thu, 10 Mar 94 12:52:08 PST
Re: Spin doesn't dig Orb Live 93
Mark Conklin writes:

>I got the new Spin yesterday and was surprised to see a record review for Orb
>Live 93. They gave it a yellow and basically said it was kind of boring. They
>also gave the new David Lee Roth a yellow - so the Orb Live 93 and DLR are
>about the same amount of goodness in Spin's judgement. I'm not sure how much I
>rely on Spin as a critique of whats good or not, but a lot of people do which
>is unforntunate because they will miss out on a really good disc (although a
>lot of you don't like it because ot the poor sound quality - I think it kicks
>ass). So whats my point? I'm not sure I know any more...
1. Anybody who uses Spin to determine what they're going to buy
deserves what they get.
2. I think Live 93 is substandard. Not because of the sound quality
(i've heard worse) but because it really IS boring! (to me, anyway.
feel free to disagree.) I was planning on selling mine but now that
the domestic is out I probably won't get much for it. Guess I'll wait
several years until the import is in high demand from KollektorSkum
and make a killing.
Jon Drukman
jdrukman%dlsun87@oracle.com
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> 1. Anybody who uses Spin to determine what they're going to buy
> deserves what they get.
Agreed.
> 2. I think Live 93 is substandard. Not because of the sound quality
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feel free to disagree.) I was
the domestic is out I probably
several years until the import
and make a killing.
it really IS boring! (to me, anyway.

planning on selling mine but now that
won't get much for it. Guess I'll wait
is in high demand from KollektorSkum
Another data point: I really like Live 93, but don't consider myself a real
Orb fanatic. In fact, it's the only thing of theirs I really listen to at
the time being.
Dave
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Thu, 10 Mar 1994 14:27:53 -0800
Orb/Lollapalooza
I saw this on alt.music.alternative and thought it might be of some value to

the list
-----------------------Somebody wanted to know about the ORB. They are going to be a lollapalouza,
but it's gonna suck because they have a fabulous light show and there's no way
that their going to play at night. I also heard that the promothers are talking
to some England promoters to get one more English band: "possibly the Stone
Roses or Primal Scream". I'm quoting from a recent NME!!!! Also The Stone
Roses album has been postponed 'till the summer and Geffen couldn't gaurantee
that it will be out before the fall. All of this info is true because it came
from NME. Most of it is in the issue with Cypress Hill on the cover, I think.
---AJAY
" I'm walking with a man called SUN,
and my journey's just begun."
---VERVE, A man called Sun.
-------------------------Jeff Pitblado
ubon@mcl.ucsb.edu
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Thu, 10 Mar 94 19:27:38 EST
rarity check
I picked up today the KLF/Extreme Noise Terror 3 AM Eternal 7",

and the JAMS "It's Grim Up North" 12"..
Anybody know the story behing the KLF/ENT disk? It mentions Top
of the Pops on the label.. I assume the KLF's contribution was
the distorted Scottish accent.. :)
How rare are both of these? Just wondering, cause i thought all this
stuff was supposed to be out of print.. My friend said the JAMS 12"
had been sitting in the rack for months, and the cashier told
me the KLF/ENT 7" was a re-issue..
Can anybody clarify this?
Thanks,
Ian
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ubon@MCL.MCL.UCSB.EDU (Jeff Pitblado)
Thu, 10 Mar 1994 19:10:32 -0800 (PST)
Re: Orb/Lollapalooza
Jeff Pitblado writes:

> All of this info is true because it came
> from NME.
Quote of the week, no contest.
C.
-(Chris.Hilker) cspot@netcom.com
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> Quote of the week, no contest.
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> -> (Chris.Hilker) cspot@netcom.com
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Hey, I don't make the news, I just report it. I was just forwarding something I
read that someone else wrote.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jeff Pitblado
ubon@mcl.ucsb.edu
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Hank@world.std.com
Fri, 11 Mar 1994 21:01:36 -0500 (EST)
F.Y.I. Part I
Major ORB promo item: Fluffy the sheep? Looks very similar to the
picture of the sheep? on the cover of Live 93 but not identical.
Comes with a post card/sticker around his/her neck of the Live 93 cover.
I have it in my car and I'm about to go out now but I will post a much
more detailed description either tonight or tomorrow.
Happy Hunting,
......Hank
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Fri, 11 Mar 1994 19:24:00 -0700 (MST)
Huge Evergrowing... Reissue
Big Life is at it again. Huge Evergrowing... has been reissued and will be
out on 3/28. I'll be selling the CDS for the usual $8.75, in case you can't
get it locally. Preorders due 3/18, so any copies I order by that date will
be guaranteed. Doesn't seem to be limited, though.
EAR/Rational Dave
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Travis Leippi <ua049@ciao.trail.bc.ca>

KLf/Orb <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Fri, 11 Mar 1994 18:55:10 -0800 (PST)
Orb Music
Would somebody be willing to tape some ORB music for me? I have "The
White Room" by KLF and I was just wondering what the ORB sounded like.
I'll send the tape and pay for postage. Thank you.
PLease address all enquiries to me as to not clog up the list.
Songs that I have heard about and would like to listen to
Little Fluffy Clouds
Ever Pulsating Brain
Those 2 songs seem the most mentioned.
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EAR/Rational Dave
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idm@techno.Stanford.EDU
Fri, 11 Mar 1994 21:28:10 -0800
Didgeridoo
I have been told that there are a couple of groups out there that feature
the didgeridoo in their music, and I'm trying to narrow down the choices so
I can purchase something good. "TranceMission" is one, and "Lights in a
Fat City" is the other group. (I know that AFX came out with something,
but I don't like AFX... no offense).
Can anyone comment on these groups and their albums specifically? I know
"Lights in a Fat City" has at least two albums: "Somewhere" and "Sound
Column".
I'm looking for a didgeridoo album that is trancey and has a dance beat to
it (kinda like Wm Orbit SC3, if you know what I mean-not too hard, and
kinda spacey, but with a definite dance beat). Do any of these qualify?
I really like the "Space-Time Continuum w/ Terence McKenna", especially the
parts where he doesn't talk!
Are either of these groups like STC?
Are there any other groups like STC?
Does STC have any other albums out that are like this one? (I have heard
they're coming out with a new one in June)
Any general comments about these groups and others are most welcome! I
really appreciate the help with this. :)
Thanks in advance,
Don
donpierr@netcom.com
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Don Gray <donpierr@netcom.com>
Sat, 12 Mar 1994 00:15:53 -0600 (CST)
Re: Didgeridoo
I, too am interested in the digeridoo...

i have been looking for the same stuff you have been looking for...
(Lights in aa Fat City...Trancemission)...and in fact i have had both on
order for a month and a half...the stores here have no clue as to how to
get them here...
look ffor steve roach...his later works are inspired by australia...and
he plays the digeridoo on those albums...
also roach is feature on the "from here to tranquility" comp...track
6...playing the digeridoo...
also orbital's "walk on" and now i hear they have aa remake of that one
called "walk about"...the former features the digeridoo in samples...
also sven vath has it on the first track of his album...which gets pretty
gritty (as far as the digeridoo is concerned)
also...(and if you can find this...let me know...) look for David
Hudson...thats the guys name and thats all i know...he is an aboriginal
digeridoo player and i have been looking long and hard for that or any
album featuring him.....
hope thats helpful...and please continue to post any info you hear on
digeridoo artists or IDM ffeaturing the digeridoo...
later,
jasonosaj.
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Sat, 12 Mar 1994 02:55:10 -0600 (CST)
orb screen hack
i was scrounging around in my bin directory just now, and i found a

'life' simulation called 'rps'... after watching it for a bit, i
thought, wow, this would be really cool if it used the letters
'o' 'r' and 'b' as the patterns... so i made a teeny change, and
the result is below.
i didn't write this; i found it on the net ages ago.
suggestions:
threshold should be less than num_states. the closer threshold is
to num_states, the slower the pattern changes, and the more pleasing
it is (to me, anyway)
i suggest:
./rps-orb 20 40 4 3
or
./rps-orb 20 40 4 2
i also suggest you call it 'orb.c' :-) [the original name is 'rps.c']
come to think of it, it'd prolly be pretty cool with 'klf' in there, too.
-cgw--- clip 'n save --/*
To compile it: cc -o rps rps.c -lcurses -ltermcap
To run it: rps height width num_states threshold
*/
#include <stdio.h>
#include <curses.h>
#include <ctype.h>
typedef char State;
#define MAX_STATES (32)

/* original line: char printnames[] = " +#/@*AbCdEfGhIjKlMnOpQrStUvWxYz"; /* */
char printnames[] = " orb@*AbCdEfGhIjKlMnOpQrStUvWxYz";
#define PrintName(x) (printnames[(x)])
State num_states;
int ysize;
int xsize;
int size;
/* ysize * xsize */
State *field;
State *changed;
int *check_list;
int check_list_top;
/* positive modulus */
#define Mod(x, m) ((x) < 0 ? ((x) % (m)) + (m) : (x) % (m))
void touch_cell(int i)
{
if(!changed[i]) {
changed[i]++;
check_list[check_list_top++] = i;
}
}
void init_states(int y, int x, int states)
{
int i;
ysize = y;
xsize = x;
size = ysize * xsize;
num_states = states;
field = (State *) malloc(sizeof(State) * size);
changed = (State *) malloc(sizeof(State) * size);
bzero(changed, sizeof(State) * size);
check_list = (int *) malloc(sizeof(int) * size);
check_list_top = 0;
for(i = 0; i < x * y; i++) {
field[i] = random() % num_states;
touch_cell(i);
}
}
void display_cell(int i, State new)
{
mvaddch(i / xsize, i % xsize, PrintName(new));
}
void change_cell(int i, State new)
{
touch_cell(i);
touch_cell(Mod(i-xsize-1, size));
touch_cell(Mod(i-xsize, size));
touch_cell(Mod(i-xsize+1, size));
touch_cell(Mod(i-1, size));
touch_cell(Mod(i+1, size));
touch_cell(Mod(i+xsize-1, size));
touch_cell(Mod(i+xsize, size));
touch_cell(Mod(i+xsize+1, size));
display_cell(i, new);
}
void init_display(void)
{
int i;
initscr();
for(i = 0; i < size; i++) {
display_cell(i, field[i]);
}
refresh();
}
int sweep(int threshold)
{
State *new;
int i;
int j;
int ncount[MAX_STATES];
int delta;
int changes = 0;
int *old_check;
int old_check_top;
new = (State *) malloc(sizeof(State) * size);
bzero(changed, sizeof(State) * size);
old_check = check_list;
old_check_top = check_list_top;
check_list = (int *) malloc(sizeof(int) * size);
check_list_top = 0;
while(--old_check_top >= 0) {
i = old_check[old_check_top];
for(j = 0; j < num_states; j++) ncount[j] = 0;
/* add up neighbors */
ncount[field[Mod(i-xsize-1, size)]]++;
ncount[field[Mod(i-xsize, size)]]++;
ncount[field[Mod(i-xsize+1, size)]]++;
ncount[field[Mod(i-1, size)]]++;
ncount[field[Mod(i+1, size)]]++;
ncount[field[Mod(i+xsize-1, size)]]++;
ncount[field[Mod(i+xsize, size)]]++;
ncount[field[Mod(i+xsize+1, size)]]++;
/* default is no change */
new[i] = field[i];
/* look for winning neighbor */
j = (field[i] + 1) % num_states;
if(ncount[j] >= threshold) {
changes++;
new[i] = j;
change_cell(i, j);
}
}
free(old_check);
free(field);
field = new;
refresh();
return changes;
}
void mutate(void)
{
int i;
State s;
i = random() % size;
s = random() % num_states;
field[i] = s;
change_cell(i, s);
}
main(int argc, char **argv)
{
srandom(getpid() + time(0));
if (argc<=4)
{
fprintf(stderr,"usage: %s height width num_states threshold\n",argv[0]);
exit(1);
}
init_states(atoi(argv[1]), atoi(argv[2]), atoi(argv[3]));
init_display();
for(;;) {
if(sweep(atoi(argv[4])) == 0) mutate();
}
}
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Sat, 12 Mar 1994 03:00:59 -0600 (CST)
oh yeah!
this is a *very* screen-intensive program.. i don't recommend using it
if you're on anything less than a 14.4k bps (v32bis) serial line (for
the non-techies out there, you don't want to run this if you're on a
1200 baud modem). it runs acceptably well for me with a 40x20 square of
output at 14.4k bps.
your mileage may vary.
orbing to Evil Bro,
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angst@psych.colorado.edu
Sat, 12 Mar 94 06:19:32 EST
Is this just going to be the CD single, or will they rerelease the 12"
as well?
-- ian
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Mon, 14 Mar 94 10:50:02 GMT
Re: Huge Evergrowing... Reissue
EAR/Rational Dave
This is sure going to piss off The Orb - 'Pommes Fritz' is supposed to be out
early next month, followed in May by the new album.
Myself, I can't wait - the originals go for a hell of a lot of money whoopeee!!!!
Regards,
Nick
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P J Barker <barkpq@essex.ac.uk>
klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 14 Mar 94 12:42:55 EST
K Cera Cera
I'm a realy MAJOR KLF fan and ahve just found out about this address, I have a
copy of K Cera Cera ( K Foundation ) that I want to sell, Very rare, very
genuine, I wonder if anyone there can help me.
I also would like to find out how I can get a copy of 'Who Killed The Jams'
One more thing, I have a copy of KLF vs E.N.T., Christmas 3.A.M Eternal thingy
nut it has soemthing recorded on BOTH sides, does this mean it isn't genuine.
Hope you can help
Paul Barker
barkpq@sx.ac.uk
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Adam J Weitzman <weitzman@individual.com>

KLF/Orb Mailing List <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Mon, 14 Mar 1994 08:40:58 -0500 (EST)
UK 2CD _Adventures_ for sale
Having just picked up the US 2CD version of _Adventures_, I'd like to sell
my UK copy. It's not in perfect condition, but it's in pretty decent
condition considering (a) the flimsy original packaging and (b) it's been
one of the most heavily played set of CDs I own. :-)
$18 ppd seems fair.
- Adam J Weitzman
INDIVIDUAL, Inc.
weitzman@individual.com
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X91LASER@wmich.edu
klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 14 Mar 1994 11:45:43 -0500 (EST)
newbie questions
hi, i'm new. just wanted to ask a few questions and add some additional info
to the discography. my info is in regards to the japanese 3cd sets, This Is
What The KLF Is About I and II. when i bought those they said, on the
packaging, that only 3000 were made. the first set is in a black box with
blue lettering and KLF pyramid. the second set is in a black box with hot
pink lettering and KLF pyramid. they both contain a sheet of stickers and a
book (each about 45 pages long). the books are in japanese and a little
english. my questions are:
1. are the japanese sections of the two books reproduced in english
anywhere? i would love to know what they say.
2. is it really hard to find the stuff by Space and Disco 2000 in america?
i haven't been able to find a listing for either of them.
3. what has been done by the K foundation? any albums? singles? videos?
4. what are the lyrics for "justified and ancient" at this part:
right before he says "bring the beat back" a girl is saying something.
the japanese book in the 3cd box set says the lyrics are "vuga vulez,
saga shan isa go" (i probably misspelled this, i don't have them sitting
in front of me). are those correct? what in the hell do they mean?
thanks
jim laser
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To: "klf" <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Date: 14 Mar 94 13:11:00 EST

Subject: Re: Didgeridoo
>I have been told that there are a couple of groups out there that feature
>the didgeridoo in their music, and I'm trying to narrow down the choices so
>I can purchase something good.
How about Rolf Harris?
Regards,
John.
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Mon, 14 Mar 1994 13:16:09 -0700 (MST)
Huge...
Well, I'll be. Turns out there are TWO versions of A Huge Evergrowing...
CD singles that will be rereleased. I don't know the specifics, but I
assume they correspond to an "original" single and a "remix" version.
I'm sure you Orb cogniscenti can straighten this out.
I'll be ordering a bunch of them (both versions) on Friday. A number of
you have sent mail saying "sign me up for one," so I'm taking you all
seriously.
Dave
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Mon, 14 Mar 94 17:12:07 EST
Re: Huge...
Well, I'll be. Turns out there are TWO versions of A Huge Evergrowing...
CD singles that will be rereleased. I don't know the specifics, but I
assume they correspond to an "original" single and a "remix" version.
I'm sure you Orb cogniscenti can straighten this out.
If it's just like their recent reissues of LFC and Perp.Dawn, then we can
expect:
The Orb: A Huge Ever-Growing Pulsating Brain That Rules
From The Centre Of The Ultraworld (Loving You)
12":
19:07
5:50
5:30
(orbital mix) [original version, *not* mixed by Orbital]

(bucket and spade mix)
(why is six scared of seven?)
CD5:
19:07
(orbital mix)
remix 12":
7:05
3:34
[original version]
(orbital dance mix)

(orbital 9am radio mix)
8:38
remix CD5:
8:20
3:15
6:06
(aubrey mix mk 2)
(orbital dance mix)
(orbital radio mix)
(aubrey mix mk1)
[track times might be off]
I'd like to thank Big Life for devaluing my entire Orb collection. May
their moneygrubbing souls rot in Heh- heh hello kiddies!
Mike
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Mon, 14 Mar 1994 15:20:23 -0700 (MST)
Re: Huge...
> If it's just like their recent reissues of LFC and Perp.Dawn, then we can
> expect:
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Thanks, that seems right.
> I'd like to thank Big Life for devaluing my entire Orb collection. May
> their moneygrubbing souls rot in Heh- heh hello kiddies!
Uh yeah, but doesn't that make you a moneygrubbing soul? If you really
collect the stuff in order to make money by selling it to people who don't
have it, then I guess it does.
Davey Wavey, High Falutin' Rock n' Roll Pusher
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klf:;@vmsf.csd.mu.edu
Mon, 14 Mar 1994 19:25:32 -0600 (CST)
New Orb Bootlegs...
Just for those playing the home game... I picked up two new Orb bootleg
CDs, both from "Centre Hole Records, Luxemborg". The first is simply
called "Orb", and features the entire Kiss EP and the Two Huge Ever
Growing Brain singles, as well as the Solar Flare Mix of Perpetual
Dawn and the Dance Mix mk ii of LFC. The second is Orb: Live at
Brixton Acadamy '92, with Spanish Castles, LFC, Blue Room, Towers of
Dub, Star 6 & 7 89, Close Encounters (mislabeled as Majestic) and
Assassin.
If you need track listings/times for the discog, just ask...
(Eschatfische.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------From: David Steinhart <angst@psych.colorado.edu>
To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (Paterson)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 20:00:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Huge (tracts of land)

This is from a fax...I have not seen the CDs yet.
BLRDA27 CD5:
1
2
3
4
Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain that Rules from the Centre of the Ultraworld
Orbital Dance Mix
9AM Radio Mix
Aubrey Mix 1
BLRDB27 CD5:
1 Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain that Rules from the Centre of the Ultraworld
2 original ambient house mix
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Huge (tracts of land)
This is from a fax...I have not seen the CDs yet.

1
2
3
4
Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain...

Orbital Dance Mix
9AM Radio Mix
Aubrey Mix 1
1 Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain...

2 original ambient house mix
Sounds like someone misinterpreted the title (Huge Ever Growing Pulsating
Brain...) as the first track of each single. Otherwise these match the
original CD5s exactly:
CD5: 1990 UK
8:20
3:15
6:06
(Big Life BLR 27CD) ["compactdisco"; Jul 1990]

A Huge Ever Growing... (orbital dance mix)
A Huge Ever Growing... (orbital [9am] radio mix)
A Huge Ever Growing... (aubrey mix mk1)
CD5: 1990 UK (Big Life BLR 27 OCD) ["compactdisc"; Jun 1990]

19:07 Loving You (orbital mix) [original ambient house mix]
They could have put them all on one disc and still been following the
chart rules . . . bastards!
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klf:;@vmsf.csd.mu.edu
Mon, 14 Mar 1994 21:22:38 -0600 (CST)
New bootlegs...
Here's the discography information on the latest boots...
The Orb: Live at Brixton Academy 23 October 1992
bootleg
CD: 1994 (Centre Hole Records, CDBRO101)

17:37 Spanish Castles in Space [mislabeled Untitled No. 1]
11:11 Blue Room
9:52 Towers of Dub
4:03 Star 6 & 7 8 9
14:50 Assassin [mislabeled Majestic]
8:17 Close Encounters [mislabeled Assassin]
Sound Quality: Sounds like a mixing board dub, slightly muddy, good considering.
The Orb: Orb
bootleg

4:26 Kiss Your Love
4:22 Suck My Kiss Mix
3:44 The Roof Is On Fire
4:39 Kiss Your Love (Ambiorax Mix)
6:58 A Huge Ever Growing Remix (Orbital Dance Mix)
3:34 A Huge Ever Growing Remix (Orbital Radio Mix)
8:27 A Huge Ever Growing Remix (aubrey mix mk ii)
6:27 Perpetual Dawn (Solar Flare Extended)
8:11 A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain (Orbital Dance Mix)
3:06 A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain (9AM Radio Mix)
5:58 A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain (aubrey mix mk i)
8:15 Little Fluffy Clouds (dance mix mk ii)
Sound Quality: Mastered from LPs, very good generally with average high end.
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 14 Mar 1994 22:58:58 -0500 (EST)
new old orb stuff, etc.
I sent a version of this message to Lazlo already, so sorry for wasting

your mailbox space Lazlo, but this is an edited down version:
I guess the obvious question is: Do you have addresses for people who may
want to sell or trade taped copies of some of the catalogue? Or even sell
originals? Please say yes! My ultra-wish list has the "Space" EP, the
"Eternity Project", Jimmi Cauty "Orb" remixes(and vice versa), and of
course, "1987, what the fuck is going on?". Is this buy idea of mine
wishful thinking? I've got the "Kiss" EP, the blue vinyl "Kichi Suzuki"
12", the first ever Wau! Mr. Modo release (see below), the Moody Boys
"Journey into Dubland" EP and the new Orb Anthology (see below).
Question: Do you think the Orb developed their name because of
Torchsong/genius remixer William Orbit? There's tons of Torchsong
sampling on the "Kiss" EP, which seems to be the Orb's first single (and
you know how those guys rip-off and regurgitate in new/fresh ways), it
would seem to make sense, anyway.
re: The Jams "Grim Up North" (Orb remix by Alex Patterson). When Dr.
Alex was here in Toronto to DJ back before the Orb got popular here
(there were less than 50 people who showed), he played a remixed version,
on vinyl, of Grim. It wasn't the original and it wasn't any of the 1991
versions that were released, including the Razormaid version. The only
other version that I haven't heard is the promo copy (on your list). The
version he played was a remixed 1991 version, but it was cut and edited
differently and didn't have the full vocals. Lots of the steam whistle
and acid effects. I don't know if this is the version you're talking
about but...
ADDITIONS:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------Mr. Smily DJ Pre Release
(no date)
12": (no date)(Wau! Mr. Modo WAU WMS-001T
Let Jimi Take Over
Dub Mix
(Sorry, I haven't timed them yet)
It is so obviously a Jimi Cauty production (no, not just because
of the name), the layering, the drum track, even the bassline which is
made from SCRUBBING a record back and forth, then looping it. Of course
its a Jimi Hendrix sample! Am I wrong for suggesting that this is the
first ever Mr.Modo release?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------The Orb:Anthology
bootleg remix compilation [December 1993]
CD:
1993 (GEMA records. O.r.b. CDmk2, made in E.E.C.)

3:45 Trippin On Sunshine (from Eternity One Project)
4:26 The Roof Is On Fire (Amobriax mix) - this is really Kiss
Your Love (Suck My Kiss Mix), they listed it wrong!
19:19 Huge Evergrowing...(the full Monty Ambient Version) *see below
8:21 Huge Evergrowing...(Orbital Dance Mix)
8:26 Little Fluffy Clouds (Dance Mix Mk 2)
10:18 Towers of Dub (Withdrawn Remix) -actually the Patterns and
Textures video version with an intro **see below
7:10 Perpetual Dawn (Ultrabass II)
8:00 Valley - the exact same as Orblive93 but with an add on
ending ***see below
Virtually a 10/10 recording, but really a 9/10. You only realize

that it is mastered slightly slow when you compare CD to CD. Without
really good headphones, you won't realize the record pops on things like
Kiss your love. The graphics are full colour and steal the Orb logo, but
the graphic design is most certainly not Designers Republic)
*this may be the original ambient version of the one that appeared as the
Ultraworld Mk10 mix (I don't have the original ambient version). Its
basically identical but withou these sounds, in order as they don't
appear: loving you repeated 2 minutes in, followed by rooster, followed
by church bells, then bubbling, then misses the first time the beat shows
up but has the second time which is the one with the horn section, misses
the girl mumbling, then jet on second church bells, then finally misses
the woman saying"the people you meet at the start of the show"
**the intro is a movie sample. Not positive if it was an add-on by the
compiler or the Orb. song fades into it.:
-have you taken his pulse?
-we've done everything doctor, I don't think there's much hope

-His pulse is very weak. I don't think he's going to make it. Can you
get me some plasma, perhaps some plasma will help.
-Would you get some plasma-would you hurry with the plasma for the doctor-Never mind. Never mind.
-Don't tell me...
-It's too late, he's...
<breathing out sound>
-Not as dead as these cigarettes!
<several doctors laughing and song fades in>
WHERE IS THIS SAMPLED FROM?
***the ending, rather crudely tacked on (it's too loud), may be put on by
the compiler, but it seems to me that this is probably Orb done. It fits
their style and humour. It is Bart Simpson saying: "Ladies and
Gentleman, Boys and Girls. Contrary to what you've just seen, war is
neither glamourous nor fun. There are no winners, only losers. There
are no good wars - but the following exceptions: the American Revolution,
World War II and the Star Wars Trilogy"
The serial number says O.r.b.CDmk2. Might this mean there is a mk1
somewhere?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------Do you know if there is a list dedicated to uncovering which samples are
from which records and movies?
I am an illustrator and designer and designer and follow the work of The
Designers Republic, the guys who do the graphics for the Orb, Pop Will
Eat Itself and Warp records, among others. Would you happen to know of a
"design-ography" for them. Well, just wondering.
Anyway, thanks for your time and thank-you especially for compiling such
a list.
/cc
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c4clarke@ACS.RYERSON.CA (OCA Special)
Mon, 14 Mar 1994 20:29:03 -0800 (PST)
Re: new old orb stuff, etc.
OCA Special writes:

> Question: Do you think the Orb developed their name because of
> Torchsong/genius remixer William Orbit?
Nope, it's after a prop in Woody Allen's 'Sleeper.' I thought this was in
the list FAQ.
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10:18 Towers of Dub (Withdrawn Remix) -actually the Patterns and

Textures video version with an intro **see below
This is from the 'Orb in Dub' 12" which was withdrawn because of UK chartrules violations. The intro sample you described is the giveaway.
C.
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Mon, 14 Mar 1994 22:43:19 -0700 (MST)
scavenger hunt...
Given that I've only received 3 entries, and there is still interest, I'd
like to see this thing through so I'm extending the entry deadline to tax
day (April 15th).
If you want to get a copy of the rules, send me mail with the subject of
K CERA CERA RULES. Mispellings [sic] will be ignored.
Dave
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (Orb/KLF/777 Mailing list )
Tue, 15 Mar 1994 02:55:44 -0500 (EST)
New bootlegs... (fwd)
> Here's the discography information on the latest boots...

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Hmmm. This is one of the Bootleg tapes that I've been circulating..
I'm curious to see if my tape happened to be used for the master. Guess
I gotta get a copy of this one.... Is there a stop between "Towers"
and "star"? That'd be telling evidence...
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 15 Mar 94 09:04:15 GMT
Re: Didgeridoo
>I have been told that there are a couple of groups out there that feature
>the didgeridoo in their music, and I'm trying to narrow down the choices so
>I can purchase something good.
How about Yothu Yindi, an aboriginal band who make ethnic style dance music,
their single 'Treaty' features a lot of didgeridoo. Alternatively try
'Didgeridoo' by Aphex Twin. Or a band called Tribal Drift....
Pete..
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about but...
One of the many KLF/Orb songs/mixes that never came out, was an Orb mix of "It's
Grim Up North" (according to the end of Lazlo's discography) - this is probably
what he was playing. I DO wish that this had been released someplace - the
future, maybe.....
Waiting for 'Loving You' reissue and 'Pommes Fritz' with eager anticipation,
Nick
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about but...
One of the many KLF/Orb songs/mixes that never came out, was an Orb mix of "It's
Grim Up North" (according to the end of Lazlo's discography) - this is probably
what he was playing. I DO wish that this had been released someplace - the
future, maybe.....
Waiting for 'Loving You' reissue and 'Pommes Fritz' with eager anticipation,
Nick
---------From: Roy Badami <roy@harlequin.co.uk>
To: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 13:16:22 +0000

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Sounds like someone misinterpreted the title (Huge Ever Growing Pulsating
Brain...) as the first track of each single. Otherwise these match the
original CD5s exactly:
CD5:
1990 UK (Big Life BLR 27CD) ["compactdisco"; Jul 1990]

8:20 A Huge Ever Growing... (orbital dance mix)
3:15 A Huge Ever Growing... (orbital [9am] radio mix)
6:06 A Huge Ever Growing... (aubrey mix mk1)
CD5:
1990 UK (Big Life BLR 27 OCD) ["compactdisc"; Jun 1990]
19:07 Loving You (orbital mix) [original ambient house mix]
They could have put them all on one disc and still been following the
chart rules . . . bastards!
But the chart rules were different in those days.....

Cosmic
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jp_camp@chef.uwe.ac.uk (JP Camp)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 15 Mar 94 14:08:59 GMT
Re. New Bootlegs
It may interest you to know that the CD (Centre Hole Records CDBRO104)
was infact released in 1993, and is infact a CD re-issue re-recording of
a bootleg tape called Ultra Rare Trax (its colour cover shows Alex and
Kris in blissful recline.) The original issue of the bootleg CD you refer
to was infact also first issued in late 1993, also under the title Ùltra
Rare Trax'
The lastest in bootleg CD is Ànthology' which repeats most of what is on
Ùltra Rare', CDBRO001, but also includes the original acid Tripping on
Sunshine, and the Glastonbury recording of `Valley'.
The whole of the Glastonbury `93 set is also available on vinyl.
(Pommes Fritz was due for release on 14/3/94, but has been held back until ?)
Jason
Date:
Tue, 15 Mar 1994 14:03:58 EDT
Subject:
Original Version Of "U.F.Orb"?
Hey all.
Does anyone have a track list for the new 'original version' reissue
of "U.F.Orb" by the Island Red Label? If so, please post it
immediately!
Thanks very much,
Stephen
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Re. New Bootlegs
> The original issue of the bootleg CD you refer to [Centre Hole CDBRO 104]
> was infact also first issued in late 1993, also under the title Ùltra
> Rare Trax'
Are there two Orb Ultra Rare Trax discs, then? Because the tracklist Dave
posted for CDBRO104 is completely different from the tracklist of the Orb
URT I have.
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Michael Hauben <hauben@cs.columbia.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 15 Mar 1994 15:51:08 -0500
Domestic Live '93 Complaint (Not the sound!)
I just bought the Domestic Live '93 last night and I'm loving it!
One iffy is that I'm a sucker for packaging, and I was disappointed
when I opened up the booklet of Live '93. The UK version had several colors
on the inside of the booklet (yellow, red, purple?) and was unreadiable
on some pages (not so good). However the US version is only purple on the
inside pages, and thus is less attractive to me! I guess I'd prefer the
varying colors (which seemed more psycadelic...and so forth) than the single
purple color which doesn't seem as bright as the import.
I don't remember if I asked here or on alt.rave is the packaging was the same but I was made to think it was when people on here said the releases were
exactly the same - which they were not.
I know this might seem to be a petty complaint as the music is the
most important part of the package - but still it is disappointing, and
no I do not have enough cash to sell off my newly domestic in order to
purchase the uk import...
Just venting a frustration (anyone else with me?)
-Michael
(BTW: I love most of the songs! The version of Blue Room is really cool.
Also I think I prefer valley to plateau. The voices "sampling" pink floyd
in plateau are just really chessy and almost ruin the song for me. In
addition I really like the two studio remixes of Towers of Dub and Assassin!
Last but not least, does anybody know what if any role the dj's listed on
the first page of the booklet had in this production? Were some or all
of them present at different of these songs and helped to mix in other bits?
As there are a lot of random things that seem to get mixed in for a few mins
that work out really interesting. Okay, enough for now!)
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Tue, 15 Mar 1994 19:17:57 -0500 (EST)
RE: New bootlegs...
In our previous episode, Fumbling Towards Ecstasy said:

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11:11 Blue Room
9:52 Towers of Dub
4:03 Star 6 & 7 8 9
Hmmm. This is one of the Bootleg tapes that I've been circulating..
I'm curious to see if my tape happened to be used for the master. Guess
I gotta get a copy of this one.... Is there a stop between "Towers"
and "star"? That'd be telling evidence...
Funny, but I've got a CD similar to this as well:

The Orb "Close Encounters of the Ultraworld: Live Over Europe"
CD: 1993 (Mind The Magic, MTM030)
4'17" Departure
13'19" Spanish Castles in Space
8'04" Little Fluffy Clouds
11'26" The Blue Room
8'52" Towers of Dub
4'12" Star 6 & 7 8 9
14'00" Earth (Gaia) --mislabled, actually Assassin
10'49" Close Encounters
[75'23"]
Now, I've compared it to your bootleg and I'm pretty sure it's a
different show. It's definitely not from your tape, at least.
There's no gap and the lengths are different. Also, there's sounds
here and there that aren't present on the tape. It could be that your
tape was edited, but... Anyway, the CD doesn't list a date, so
it's an unknown, I guess.
-Brian
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 20:22:40 -0500 (CDT)

Subject: yank.c
what exactly is yank.c in the asylum/klf dir?
thanks,
dan.
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yank.c
> what exactly is yank.c in the asylum/klf dir?

As explained at the front of the source file, it's a simple utility that
pulls records out of any discography in my format, based on title or
contents information you specify. (i.e., all "What Time Is Love" CD5s,
etc.)
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Tue, 15 Mar 1994 23:28:42 -0600 (CST)
HUGE...
Anybody know a rerelease date for one of the HUGE...Loving You singles?
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jp_camp@chef.uwe.ac.uk (JP Camp)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 16 Mar 94 13:13:41 GMT
Re. Bootlegs (Origins)
The bootleg CD 'Close Encounters of the Ultraworld : Live Over Europe"

is infact a recording of set the Orb played in Brighton. The original
recording was mde on a tape recorder, and if you turn the volume up,
somewhere in the first few minutes you can hear;
`You don't wanna stand there!'
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Ì stood there stand time, and it came out all f**ked up!'
(Re. the Brighton set. it was in 92)
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KLF <KLF@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Wed, 16 MAR 94 18:27:59 GMT
ORB animation thingy...
As a plaything to test some tools I'm coding, I've created a 'screen-hack'

ORB animation for vt100 compatible terminals.
I've placed it in the /pub/klf/Incoming directory at asylum.sf.ca.us under
the filename orb.vt. Download in binary mode, then cat or type it.
Have fun with it,
Anthony.
-Anthony5@mdx.ac.uk
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Don Gray <donpierr@NETCOM.COM>
Wed, 16 Mar 1994 14:18:09 -0500 (EST)
Re: Didgeridoo
I have been told that there are a couple of groups out there that feature
the didgeridoo in their music, and I'm trying to narrow down the choices so
I can purchase something good. "TranceMission" is one, and "Lights in a
Fat City" is the other group. (I know that AFX came out with something,
but I don't like AFX... no offense).
try out "Evil is Even" by the Shamen, if possible. The good version is
eight or nine minutes long and can be found on the 'En-Tact' UK CD or
2xLP. The regular LP doesn't have the long version and is OK, but if you
can, get the CD. Oh, its the first version of En-Tact, not the crappy
American version. The bassline comes courtesy of Jah Wobble and the
track was made at the time when the Shamen were doing brilliant work (ie.
before Will Sin died and the idiot Mr. C took over (can you tell that I'm
bitter?)).
chris clarke
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Dom@sound.demon.co.uk (The Dark Stranger)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 16 Mar 94 16:33:15 GMT
Re: Re. New Bootlegs
In article <9403151408.AA09382@chef.chef>, JP Camp <jp_camp@chef.uwe.ac.uk> wrot
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... until 4th April I heard.
Virtually... :)om
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (klf mailinglist)
Wed, 16 Mar 1994 15:13:28 -0800 (PST)
Digeridoo?
Pardon my ignorance, but could someone please explain to me what digeridoo

is? Thanks.
Jeff Pitblado
ubon@mcl.ucsb.edu
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Chinese/Welshman in Baton Rouge <jrwong@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 16 Mar 1994 18:16:30 -0600 (CST)
SUBSCRIBE
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HELP
LIST
with appropiate apologies if this is actually the mailing list :-)
Andrew
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Wed, 16 Mar 1994 19:33:46 -0600 (CST)
Re: Didgeridoo
can, get the CD. Oh, its the first version of En-Tact, not the crappy
American version.
Now I know why the US version of the CD says "Evil is Even(edit)". Is

that the only difference in the 2 CD's? Are there still 15 songs on the
European version?
Dave
cdh1@ra.msstate.edu
...but you can call him Dave the Rave.
...or you can call him Technodave.
...but don't call him discodave!!!
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Thu, 17 Mar 94 10:41:53 GMT
hi
hiya, what is this? a mailing list or what?
I just found the address on an English bulletin board (it was

featured heavily in a "Dub debate"...
... please tell me more, as I'm a big fan of the KLF .. !!
Cheers,
Ian
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------> TimeBoy : Controls <-> Lord Rock : Navigation <-> Ford Timelord : Talent <------------------------------------------------------------------------------Be ready to ride the big dipper of the mixed metaphor.
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I just found the address on an English bulletin board (it was
> featured heavily in a "Dub debate"...
Ooops, that's my fault :) . I put a discussion a few people had on here
about a year ago up on my muisc section ... :) . I wasn't expecting people
to mail this list after seeing the address in there :) .
I'll deal with it...
Culf.
P.S. The Bulletin Board is 'Monochrome', telnet mono.city.ac.uk. for details.
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Re: Huge (tracts of land)
> They could have put them all on one disc and still been following the
> chart rules . . . bastards!
No... just that little bit richer :) .
Culf.
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> Grim Up North" (according to the end of Lazlo's discography) - this is probabl
y
> what he was playing. I DO wish that this had been released someplace - the
> future, maybe.....
That came from information from me (at least), it was a long-standing rumour
that Grim was going to be re-released, remixed by Alex. I *think* I got
told this by Sallie, who worked at the KLF offices at the time. I vguess it'll
be documented in the old KLF NEWS files someplace ... :) .
Culf.
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Re: Didgeridoo
can, get the CD.
How many different versions of En-tact are there....? I have a single LP

UK release, and I've seen the US CD.... Are there two different UK
releases, then....?
Incidentally, has anyone else noticed that the artwork on the cover is
such that (with a little imagination) you can read the title En-tact
as Ex-tacy. And the drug ecstasy is in fact an entactogen....
Cosmic
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Nils Pharo <nils.pharo@bibhs.no>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Thu, 17 Mar 1994 18:16:49 -0600 (CST)
Re: Didgeridoo
>
>> try out "Evil is Even" by the Shamen, if possible. The good version is
>> eight or nine minutes long and can be found on the 'En-Tact' UK CD or
>> 2xLP. The regular LP doesn't have the long version and is OK, but if you
>> can, get the CD.
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>How many different versions of En-tact are there....? I have a single LP
>UK release, and I've seen the US CD.... Are there two different UK
>releases, then....?
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>Incidentally, has anyone else noticed that the artwork on the cover is
>such that (with a little imagination) you can read the title En-tact
>as Ex-tacy. And the drug ecstasy is in fact an entactogen....
I'm sorry to ask but, does this have anything at all to do with the klf or
the orb. If I'm wrong tell me, if I'm right then shut up about it (at least
on trancentral).
Nils
E-Mail (RFC)
Nils.Pharo@bibhs.no
E-Mail (X.400) /G=Nils/S=Pharo/O=bibhs/PRMD=uninett/C=no/
Norwegian school of library and information science
"It's grim up north"
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dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Thu, 17 Mar 1994 13:35:51 -0500 (EST)
KLF Zymba
In case you didn't know, on archive.epas.utoronto.ca (or on it's mirror

sites like wuarchive or archive.orst.edu - at the top of any 00Index files
on this site you'll find the complete list), there are a few files made by
a demo group called KLF (for Kosmic Loader Foundation). The files usually
are not KLF(the real one) related and are usually remixes of songs from
Orbital, Moby, T99 etc... in MOD format but also in weirder formats such as
MTM, FAR, 669 which are similar to MOD files, but support 16 bit samples and
up to 32 channels in some case. The only hardware to play such files is
on IBM PCs with a Gravis Ultrasound (a 100$ 32 channel sampler card).
Anyway, on to the main point: there is a file called klfzymba.zip which

contains the song Zymba in MTM format. The author (a member of the Kosmic
Loader Foundation called Inspekdah Deck) says he did it after hearing the
ZIMA commercial. It however uses vocal samples from the church of the klf
and has clearly been heavily influenced by the white room but mostly from
the 12" remixes from the White Room. It is dance, around 120-125 BPM, with
an interesting twist. Their BBS is called Trancentral (II), btw...
Also related to the KLF on this archive, you will find klfadpcm.zip which
is an ADPCM compressed audio file of the first 1 minute from 3am eternal
for those who want to use that for a startup sound... :)
Ciao,
-Francois Dion
'
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Nils Pharo <nils.pharo@BIBHS.NO>
Thu, 17 Mar 1994 14:27:44 -0600 (CST)
Re: Didgeridoo
On Thu, 17 Mar 1994, Nils Pharo wrote:

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>> 2xLP. The regular LP doesn't have the long version and is OK, but if you
>> can, get the CD.
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>UK release, and I've seen the US CD.... Are there two different UK
>releases, then....?
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>Incidentally, has anyone else noticed that the artwork on the cover is
>such that (with a little imagination) you can read the title En-tact
>as Ex-tacy. And the drug ecstasy is in fact an entactogen....
on trancentral).
Nils
E-Mail (RFC)
Nils.Pharo@bibhs.no
E-Mail (X.400) /G=Nils/S=Pharo/O=bibhs/PRMD=uninett/C=no/
Norwegian school of library and information science
"It's grim up north"
Hey, Chill Out...get it?

Dave
cdh1@ra.msstate.edu
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Thu, 17 Mar 1994 21:06:50 -0700 (MST)
Pommes Frites
I'm accepting pre-orders for Pommes Frites on CDS and 12". Either format
is $8.75. Shipping is $2/$1.50 (1st/4th) for the CDS and $2.75/$1.50 for
the 12". The release date is 4/4, and I have to have my pre-orders in by
3/25. Send me mail with the subject of ORB CDS or ORB 12" to get added
to the list. I'll need money on this one, which means I'll only be preordering copies for those who have sent money by 3/24.
If you want to send money for the Huge singles as well (no 12" so far),
that's fine with me.
Dave
EAR/Rational
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David Steinhart <angst@PSYCH.COLORADO.EDU>
Thu, 17 Mar 1994 20:58:14 -0800
Re: Pommes Frites
>I'm accepting pre-orders for Pommes Frites on CDS and 12".

Sounds great! I've waited many a moon...
Does anyone have a track listing for these?
Also, Dave, will these be domestic or import?
And will it be coming out in both domestic and import at some point?
Will the track listings be the same?
Thanks,
Don
donpierr@netcom.com
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Fri, 18 Mar 94 09:49:14 GMT
unsubscribe
unsubscribe
---------From: gt0269b@acme.gatech.edu (David D. Clark)
To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (KLF Mailing List)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 10:49:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: "The Orb" font, Macs

Just seen in a comp.sys.mac newsgroup:
---snip--Date: Sun, 13 Mar 94 13:50:48 -0600
From: wonko@cs.wisc.edu (Wonko the Sane)
Subject: [*] the-orb.hqx
Oh goodie! ANOTHER album cover font from Kiwi Media! This time it's
the writing from the cover of the latest albums by The Orb. A cool,
big, bold, roundish font. $5 shareware, Truetype and Type 1.
Eric Oehler
wonko@dax.cs.wisc.edu
[Archived as /info-mac/font/tt/the-orb.hqx; 57K]

---snip--I assume, since it's Truetype, that Windows people could conceivably
convert it for their use...
-D
-Dave Clark gt0269b@prism.gatech.edu
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Fri, 18 Mar 1994 11:32:22 -0500 (EST)
orb font
I didn't catch where the Orb font was stored, that is, I have a
directory, but what's the site? I've already deleted the message...
-Brian
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Guy Richard Hicken <hicken@sfu.ca>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Fri, 18 Mar 1994 09:55:06 -0800 (PST)
re: Pommes Frites and Huge
Dave,
I'm new and the list and like to sit silent for awhile to get
a feel for what is being talked about. However, i'd like to pick up
both Pommes Fritz and the huge singles off you. Can you E-mail me
back w/details? Also is there a problem getting it to Canada? I
assume i'll probably have to pay more for the post but aside from
that...? Anyway I won't waste any more of your time. cheers.
Guy
hicken@sfu.ca
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Fri, 18 Mar 1994 13:09:46 -0500 (EST)
Re: Didgeridoo
On Wed, 16 Mar 1994, C. David Holloway wrote:

> > try out "Evil is Even" by the Shamen, if possible. The good version is
> > eight or nine minutes long and can be found on the 'En-Tact' UK CD or
> > 2xLP. The regular LP doesn't have the long version and is OK, but if you
> > can, get the CD. Oh, its the first version of En-Tact, not the crappy
> > American version.
>
> Now I know why the US version of the CD says "Evil is Even(edit)". Is
> that the only difference in the 2 CD's? Are there still 15 songs on the
> European version?
>
virtually the entire CD is different. The US is more or less a
collection of remixes. It doesn't have the original (and best) version
of Make It Mine for one thing. Only the remix for Hyperreal (its great
cuz its William Orbit, but the original is very nice). I can't remember
if it has the full version of Hear Me O My People. I'll write a full
track listing out for you soon, but if you can find it, buy the UK CD
with the black and silver cover, NOT the black, mauve and yellow-ochre
cover (ie. the domestic)
more later
chris clarke
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Fri, 18 Mar 1994 13:20:11 -0500 (EST)
Re: Didgeridoo
On Thu, 17 Mar 1994, Roy Badami wrote:

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> > try out "Evil is Even" by the Shamen, if possible. The good version is
> > eight or nine minutes long and can be found on the 'En-Tact' UK CD or
> > 2xLP. The regular LP doesn't have the long version and is OK, but if you
> > can, get the CD.
>
> How many different versions of En-tact are there....? I have a single LP
> UK release, and I've seen the US CD.... Are there two different UK
> releases, then....?
>
Ok, this is what I know is out there:
Shamen/En-Tact 1990 UK
LP (I've got this)
CD (this one too)
CASS (yeah, right. not on your life)
2XLP this is the DJ version. 45RPM. I think its the same as the CD but I
don't got it, so I dunno.
Shamen/En-Tact 1992(I think) US/UK/Canada

LP
CD
CASS
what a shitty version of the album this is(if you're a Shamen fan).
You'll probably have all the remixes so most of it is pointless (ie: I
didn't buy it)
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on trancentral).
I'm sorry Nils (and anyone else who is annoyed)

I didn't mean too piss anyone off. I won't do it anymore, but I just
sent out two more Shamen messages, so sorry again.
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orb font
I didn't catch where the Orb font was stored, that is, I have a
directory, but what's the site? I've already deleted the message...
-Brian
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Fri, 18 Mar 94 14:01:58 CST
Wir: So and Slow It Grows
How long is the "Orb Did Something" remix of this song? I have seen a promo
CD5 (Elektra/Mute PRCD 8450-2) that has:
1. 7" remix (3:59)
2. extended mix (5:13)
Is #2 possibly the Orb mix?
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Fri, 18 Mar 1994 13:24:06 -0500 (EST)
Re: Didgeridoo
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on trancentral).
I'm sorry Nils (and anyone else who is annoyed)

I didn't mean too piss anyone off. I won't do it anymore, but I just
sent out two more Shamen messages, so sorry again.
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Andrew Thomas <athomas@hydra.acs.uci.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Fri, 18 Mar 94 13:31:10 -0800
[ORB-NITTY GRITTY VIDEO]
I know nothing about this, call the number if you have any
questions...
Andy
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Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 15:44:11 -0800
To: sfraves@techno.Stanford.EDU
From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee)
Subject: ORB-NITTY GRITTY VIDEO
Nitty Gritty Video presents "An evening with THE ORB"
A Video of their premiere show here in San Francisco on October 15,1993.
The two hour long video includes exclusive footage of the soundcheck and
the entire concert performed at The Warfield.
Price:
$50
Contact: 415-553-8130
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"...a beat me, eat me licorice whip. The taste that leaves
it's mark forever." - Peter Shane (Crimes of Passion)
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Re: Wir: So and Slow It Grows
How long is the "Orb Did Something" remix of this song? I have seen a promo
CD5 (Elektra/Mute PRCD 8450-2) that has:
1. 7" remix (3:59)
2. extended mix (5:13)
Is #2 possibly the Orb mix?
definitely not. (that cd came through the store I work at one time.. I got
my hopes up until I played it.)
mike
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gt0269b@acme.gatech.edu (David D. Clark)

bhostetl@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Brian Hostetler)
Fri, 18 Mar 1994 17:21:53 -0500 (EST)
Re: orb font
So speaketh Brian Hostetler:

> I didn't catch where the Orb font was stored, that is, I have a
> directory, but what's the site? I've already deleted the message...
The /info-mac indicates it's originally at sumex-aim.stanford.edu; it's
also mirrored by wuarchive.wustl.edu in /mirrors/info-mac and I think at
ftp.hawaii.edu in the same place, and probably any number of other
mirrors of the info-mac site. It probably won't make it to the mirror
sites until a day or two from now.
-D
-Dave Clark gt0269b@prism.gatech.edu
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Fri, 18 Mar 1994 18:00:51 -0700 (MST)
Adventures/UFOrb imports
Does anyone want import copies of Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld (in the
cardboard foldout thingie) and/or U.F.Orb at the domestic price ($19 and
$12.75 plus shipping, respectively)?
---------From: Superdeformed <KNVO@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU>
Date:
Sat, 19 Mar 94 12:52:55 EST
Subject: LT2T Arista Promo for Trade/Sale
I stumbled across a two copies of this in a record store and bought 'em
both, figuring someone out there might have something they want to trade
for one... (the other is in my personal collection, cuz it's the only
copy of the UK album version of it I have)...
It is: Last Train To Trancentral (live from the lost continent)
ARISTA ASCD-2832
three tracks: US LP version
UK LP version
iron horse mix
I'd much rather trade for (ideally) a 3AM promo, but make me some
offers....
I especially love the Go To Sleep elements in the UK version. :)
-Neil
knvo@maristb.bitnet
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Sat, 19 Mar 1994 16:18:52 -0600 (CST)
Semi-Automatic (new mailorder catalog?)
i've not heard of this mailorder place before, and the blurb on the back
of the envelope makes me think it's new:
Welcome to the world of Semi Automatic Mail-order, whose sole purpose
is the distribution of independent music to all, via direct mail. The
catalog in your hands is formatted by genre, so it may serve you best.
A handy order form is located in the rear of the catalog. Please feel
free to photo copy[sic] it. Just for all to know, this is the first
catalog, other volumes will follow in (give or take) a quarterly
period, with monthly updates of new release information, added labels,
and merchandise (plus plenty more).
the catalog itself is kind of hard to read; there's no real rhyme or
rhythm to the way things are laid out, excepting the 'by genre'. the
genre's they include are: alternative (ambient, electronic, industrial,
new age, progressive), dance (electronic, house, industrial, pop,
tribal), odds & ends (blues, country, jazz, soundtracks), videos, rock
(classic, experimental, gothic, hardcore/punk, indie (_huge_ section),
industrial, metal, noise, progressive). then they have a spotlight
section on Peter Gabriel's Real World album & studio, and finally, a
section on world music. the entire thing is about 40 pages long.
unfortunately, they don't have any orb or KLF stuff :-\
most of their discs are either $9 or $13 (!)
they've got 777 - S/T (Caroline CD 1727) for $13. they've got trance
europe express for $21 (LP is $25). trane europe is $13. amorphous
androgynous - liquid insects ($4), tales of ephidrina ($13). both
excursions in ambience. they've got tons of robert fripp, roger eno,
brian eno, harold budd, and others like that (ashra, edgar froese,
klaus schulze) and all(?) the penguin cafe stuff.
the labels they carry (from the inside front/back covers) are:
Caroline, no.6, Antler Subway, Off-Beat, Front Line, Ringers Lactate,
AtavisticVideo, BigDeal, Big Life, Blackout! Records, engine,
ECB Records, Cleopatra, Real World, Plan 9, spinART, Safe House,
Peaceville, Primo Scree, Herald, Play It Again Sam, Gyroscope,
Caroline Blue Plate, Propulsion Records, and Astralwerks.
address is:
Mail-order
P.O. Box 2759
NY NY 10116-2759
phone is: 800-236-6724
-cgw-christopher williams cgw@unt.edu +1 817 565 2324 Just a guy
system administrator
university of north texas made of dots and lines.
---------From: Neil Kelly <KNVO@VM.MARIST.EDU>
To: KLF@asylum.sf.ca.us
Date:
Sat, 19 Mar 94 18:03:31 EST
Subject:
Adventures US 2CD -- a question
Has anyone actually SEEN a US Adventures 2 CD yet? I went to my favorite
record/CD store to purchase one and they didn't have any. So I bought Live
'93 or Evil '39 or whatever you care to call it. The cashier said he loved
the Orb and so I asked him if they knew anything about a reissue of Adventures.
Well, he asked the manager (another Orb fan -- see why I go there) and he said
that he didn't know anything about it and that the original hadn't been deleted
in the first place. Well, they looked it up in their order computer, and sure
enough, there it was. Twice. It looked like the single CD is not getting
deleted, and they have no date on the 2CD set. Can somebody help me out and
tell me if the 2 CD version is out in America yet?
PS: I only bought Live for Assassin. That one alone is worth it. :)
-Neil
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"Ran A. Mano" <ramano@artsci.wustl.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Sat, 19 Mar 1994 17:50:11 -0600 (CST)
Orb Font and other issues
The US 2CD adventures is out and I've seen it. It' not a hoax.
One Jewel box with a somewhat different cover.
The sticker claimed over 110 minutes.
The Mac Orb font is great!
It's offical name is "Ultraworld"
It comes to us from the same person who gave us the NIN font, the DM
font, and Erasure font. Great fonts all of them.
The orb font is fairly accurate, no Caps though :(

The r is a little bit off, then again I'm nit-picking.
Its 58K True Type and Type 1. Was released March 13, 1994.
I printed it on my HP Deskwriter with no problems
It's at sumex-aim. Call for more specific directions.
Yet more proof of the imment demise of Intel, Micrsoft and the hideous
X86 architecture.
Long live the Mac,
Ran
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hcheng@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Howard Cheng)

KNVO@VM.MARIST.EDU (Neil Kelly)
Sat, 19 Mar 1994 19:28:05 -0500 (EST)
Re: Adventures US 2CD -- a question
>
> Has anyone actually SEEN a US Adventures 2 CD yet? I went to my favorite
Yes, I've seen both the domestic Adventures and Live 2CD at the San
Diego Tower.
Howard
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KNVO@VM.MARIST.EDU (Neil Kelly)
Sat, 19 Mar 94 19:37:51 EST
Re: Adventures US 2CD -- a question
Yes, the 2CD version of Adventures has been released in the US. It is on
Island Red Label. I've physically held a non-promo copy in my hands. Tell
the folks at that CD store to get on the ball! :)
Mike
Mike J. Brown
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Sat, 19 Mar 1994 17:19:54 -40962758 (PST)
Orb discovery
I didn't see this mentioned in the discography or mentioned on the

list, so I thought I would share this with you guys (heads up
Lazlo!)
Readymade: URO Breaks [WAMLP004X / 19909 WAU! Mr. Modo Records]
1.1
1.2
1.3
1.4
stupid (something)
toxical teutonic
obsession
ninos
2.1
2.2
2.3
2.4
2.5
see saw (victor)

up on mars
strawberries
latino state
ambient state
For those who are unfamiliar with this record (like I was until
today), readymade is comprised of Thomas Felman of Sun Electric and
Alex Patterson of the Orb. Basically, this record is a collection of
beats, music, etc. that was already recorded...Alex and Tom just
mixed it together. You can tell most of it was DJ'd (the beats get a
little fat from time to time). Overall, a really cool record. Only a
few orb samples made their way into the mix, including the "bubbly"
sound from the breaks in Perpetual Dawn. Also, they use the squeally
guitar brakdown used at the end of 808 State's "In Yer Face" (it
took me a long time to remember where it came from!!!). How does it
sound? Basically like well produced early 90's acid house. Nice
listening, every track is danceable, 808 style rhythms, with the
last track a little ambient set by the Dr. himself. Hope this
information isn't redundant or a repeat of some post I missed!!
Cheers..
"drop back to a lower orbit: you'll go faster!"
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Sat, 19 Mar 1994 18:29:47 -0700 (MST)
Re: Semi-Automatic (new mailorder catalog?)
> Welcome to the world of Semi Automatic Mail-order, whose sole purpose
...
> unfortunately, they don't have any orb or KLF stuff :-\
>
> they've got 777 - S/T (Caroline CD 1727) for $13. they've got trance
> europe express for $21 (LP is $25). trane europe is $13. amorphous
> androgynous - liquid insects ($4), tales of ephidrina ($13). both
> excursions in ambience. they've got tons of robert fripp, roger eno,
> brian eno, harold budd, and others like that (ashra, edgar froese,
> klaus schulze) and all(?) the penguin cafe stuff.
>
> the labels they carry (from the inside front/back covers) are:
> Caroline, no.6, Antler Subway, Off-Beat, Front Line, Ringers Lactate,
> AtavisticVideo, BigDeal, Big Life, Blackout! Records, engine,
> ECB Records, Cleopatra, Real World, Plan 9, spinART, Safe House,
> Peaceville, Primo Scree, Herald, Play It Again Sam, Gyroscope,
> Caroline Blue Plate, Propulsion Records, and Astralwerks.
Sounds to me like they're basically distributing Caroline stuff (all those

labels are distributed by Caroline).
I'm generally loathe to toot my own horn, but EAR/Rational sells Caroline/
Astralwerks CDs for $12.50, Trance Europe Express for $19 (LP for $22), and
we carry Orb/KLF stuff!
And we're accessible via email. Send mail with subject CATALOG to this
address: ear-rational@xmission.com.
Dave
P.S. To whomever was asking about the US Adventures 2-CD: yes, it is out.
I'm staring right at it...
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ramano@ARTSCI.WUSTL.EDU (Ran A. Mano)
Sat, 19 Mar 1994 18:10:16 -0800 (PST)
Re: Orb Font and other issues
The world according to Ran A. Mano:

>
>The Mac Orb font is great!
>
It's offical name is "Ultraworld"
>
>It comes to us from the same person who gave us the NIN font, the DM
>font, and Erasure font. Great fonts all of them.
>
>The orb font is fairly accurate, no Caps though :(
>
>Its 58K True Type and Type 1. Was released March 13, 1994.
>
I printed it on my HP Deskwriter with no problems
Well I have major spacing and kerning problems with the Type 1 version on
my LaserWriter. Not quite as bad, though, as the same guy's collection of
techno dingbats ("TechnoBats"); I gave up on trying to get that one to
print at all.
C.
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Sat, 19 Mar 1994 20:36:25 -0600 (GMT-0600)
> I'm generally loathe to toot my own horn, but EAR/Rational sells Caroline/
> Astralwerks CDs for $12.50, Trance Europe Express for $19 (LP for $22), and
> we carry Orb/KLF stuff!
I believe that I speak for most everyone one the list, at least those of
us that order through Ear/Rational, when I say that Dave is the greatest
thing since sliced bread.
As been said many times before, Dave is fast, corteous and

genuinely nice. I have never had a bad, or even slightly unpleasent
exprience with him. I have never heard of ANY complaints about him. On
the contray, everyone has nothing but praise for Dave. If everyone on
the net were half nice and sincere as him, this (cyber)world would be a
better place. In short, Dave is the best place to get your KLF/Orb
material. His service is great, espically for those of us living in
towns with lame record stores (read: Saint Louis).
BUT: Dave you don't carry everything from Caroline records. You
do not carry the Real World label, which is distrubted by Caroline
records. It is a shame, because it is on the best labels around.
Only my $.02,
Ran
Ask about the Shabat Shalom List
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Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:00:59 -0500 (EST)
In our previous episode, Ran A. Mano said:

> The orb font is fairly accurate, no Caps though :(
>
I've found that if you set the track to 'very loose' on Pagemaker the
r won't overlap the b. I made some labels for my DAT boots last
night. I italisized (sp?) and outlined 'the Orb' (shrinking the and
supercripting it) and put the show and date in regular Ultraworld.
Ultraworld at around =>9 doesn't separate very well, though-especially the s's....christ do I sound like a geek or what?!
> Yet more proof of the imment demise of Intel, Micrsoft and the hideous
> X86 architecture.
> Long live the Mac,
Yes!!
-Brian
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Sun, 20 Mar 1994 12:06:40 -0700 (MST)
First off, I appreciate the plug. Part of the reason I joined the KLF list
was to be in contact with a group of people who geuinely like the Orb/KLF
and I wanted to be able to offer stuff to those people, rather than someone
who just wants to turn a buck on a rarity.
>
BUT: Dave you don't carry everything from Caroline records. You
> do not carry the Real World label, which is distrubted by Caroline
> records. It is a shame, because it is on the best labels around.

If they are distributed by Caroline, then I should be able to get their
stuff because I order direct from Caroline (as does Semi-Auto, apparently).
(Ran, send me some titles.)
Anyway, enough non-Orb.
Is anyone still looking for the Big Life rerelease of Perpetual Dawn?
There was a flurry of interest when I announced the rerelease, but I
only sold 3 or 4.
I'm also hoping to get ahold of some Orb boots (you know, fancy footwear
with sheep on them ;-). I wasn't on this list when I had copies of Space
and Ultra Rare Trax, so I only sold about 20 of each. Many people have
told me that they paid considerably more than the $23 I was charging. So
if I can get a line on any of the ones floating around, I will let you all
know ASAP.
Finally, I haven extended the scavenger hunt deadline to April 15th. So
far, 3 members of this list (David Clark, Drew Radtke, and Oliver Hess)
have sent in complete entries and have earned themselves a copy of K Cera
Cera (Oliver, yours is on the way). Congratulations!
Dave
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MoodyBoy <awh3@aber.ac.uk>
klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Sun, 20 Mar 1994 21:52:11 +0000
"Bike" by Syd Barrett
I found the lyrics in the ftp site...

Would somebody like to explain how "Bike" fits in with the KLF?
+--------------+--------------------------------+------------------------------+
The Moodyboy |
awh3@aber.ac.uk
| The Grim Northern Bastard
March 1994
|
Anthony W.J. Hassall
|
How do you Mu?
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"Sitting here,I watch the flames,They climb higher,And they take me again"
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Groovy Dave <camde933@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu>

Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:53:34 -0700 (PDT)
2-CD Adventures...
> P.S. To whomever was asking about the US Adventures 2-CD: yes, it is out.
> I'm staring right at it...
>
Dave
Gee...it must be difficult to type while staring at the CD.
8-)

0 0
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|Groovy Dave!|
in Idaho! 8-)
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lazlo@carina.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)

Sun, 20 Mar 1994 17:06:26 -0700 (MST)
"Bike" by Syd Barrett
> I found the lyrics in the ftp site...

> Would somebody like to explain how "Bike" fits in with the KLF?
They're in there because Thrash of The Orb has worked with Fortran 5, who did
a nifty cover of "Bike" (in which all the vocals are samples of Sidney James
[from the "Carry On" movies]) on their album Blues.
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Sun, 20 Mar 1994 20:49:25 -0600 (CST)
KLF promo
Yo!
I've got a promo KLF 3:AM ETERNAL disc (the kind that usually only hits the
radio stations). Here's the track list:
1.
2.
3.
4.
Radio Freedom Edit 3:13

Live at the SSL 3:36
Live at the SSL (extended) 5:50
Rankin' Club Version 4:34
Anyone have an idea how many of these are floating around?

BTW - what is the SSL?
Also:
Is there anything that distinguishes my original Aubrey Mixes from the Big
Life (assholes) reissue?
Is is possible to get a hold of the Little Fluffy Clouds Orbital Dance Mix, or
will I have to cherish the day Big Life (assholes) rerelease it?
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Kyle Farrell <orb@u.washington.edu>

Trancentral <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Sun, 20 Mar 1994 18:56:58 -0800 (PST)
Orb to play Seattle July 4th
A friend of mine just signed a contract for his band to open for the Orb
for their Seattle show on July 4th. I wish i had more info, no idea how
big the tour will be or even where they're going to play. I'll keep
everyone informed as i get more info!
-Kyle
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Sun, 20 Mar 1994 20:36:35 -0700 (MST)
KLF promo
> I've got a promo KLF 3:AM ETERNAL disc (the kind that usually only hits
> the radio stations). Anyone have an idea how many of these are floating
> around?
A *lot*. I see these pretty regularly. Arista didn't skimp on the promos
for their KLF singles.
> BTW - what is the SSL?
SSL is a brand of mixing console.
> Is there anything that distinguishes my original Aubrey Mixes from the Big
> Life (assholes) reissue?
As far as I know, all CD issues of Aubrey Mixes (UK, US, and UK reissue)
have the same tracks.
> Is is possible to get a hold of the Little Fluffy Clouds Orbital Dance
> Mix, or will I have to cherish the day Big Life (assholes) rerelease it?
There's no such thing as the "Little Fluffy Clouds Orbital Dance Mix". There
are two "orbital dance mix" versions of Pulsating Brain, though.
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Mon, 21 Mar 1994 01:51:31 -0600 (CST)
Re: You Evil Bro Panners (fwd)
Forwarded message:
From rmvrshek Mon Mar 21 01:50:07 1994
From: rmvrshek (Robert M. Vrshek)
Message-Id: <9403210750.AA48892@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu>
Subject: Re: You Evil Bro Panners
To: rmvrshek (Robert M. Vrshek)

Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 01:50:05 -0600 (CST)
Cc: klf@asylum.ca.sf.us
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Hey just thought all you outspoken panners of Live 93 might like a
philosophical question to ponder. If you think their performance was not up to
par for the "Orb," I'd like you to ask this of yourself:
Aren't you just DYING to go see them live? Wouldn't that kick ass?!
Well that's what they sound like live. What kind of Orb fan would not
appreciate a live set. Well since some of you didn't get to go, it's the
closest thing to actually being there!
Long live the Orb!! (At least I still like those musical prophets).
P.S. - "God gave man the ability to appreciate the beauty of these wise men."
-- Rob 9:13
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Mon, 21 Mar 94 13:07:58 EET
Interesting findings
Baa-aah. :)
Last week I bought an interesting record (the title & artist will be revealed
later). It is obviously a bootleg as no credits whatsoever is listed. Only
tracktitles & total length are on the cover and on the CD there is only the
catalogue number (I think). What comes to the contents (musical) of the CD I
was positively surprised. The first track has a remix title 'Fuffy (sic!) Cloud
Version' and yes you guessed it contains Little Fluffy Clouds in it. Later on
that CD in one song there is (of this I'm not 100% sure) the same 'singing'
male that appears on KLF's Chill Out (track 4(I think)), originally from
Disappearing World CD. And finally on the last track there are some speechsamples beginning 'my grandfather...' and so on. This should ring a bell too :)
If it doesn't I'll give a hint, listen to the Orb remixes of Tong Poo.
And now for the actual title and artist itself...
Pink Floyd: Wish You Were Here - Trance Remixes (Limited Edition)
So, the circle has become full, Orb appearing on PF record (granted this is a
bootleg and has nothing to do with PF members in person, but still.). I was a
bit sceptic when I first listened to this at shop (some extraneous noise
prevented me from hearing all the details and determine the soundquality) but
nevertheless I ended up buying it and I'm very happy now I did. The overall
quality is very nice and there's nothing to complain about the soundquality
either. I won't go into details here as this is not a PF list and the Orb
connection ends here, but if you find it give it a listen :)
Janne
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dlottero@acs.bu.edu (Daniel Lottero)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 21 Mar 94 7:25:14 EST
Aubrey Mixes and Pomme Fritz ??
I was wondering if the Aubrey Mixes (domestic) and Pomme Fritz were available
yet. A friend of mine has Aubrey Mixes (import) on hold at HMV for 27 bucks.
Is it worth it, or how much is the domestic price?
Please respond via e-mail directly to me, since I had to unsubscribe from
the mailing list. (I couldn't keep up with all the traffic going thru here!)
Thanks,
Dan Lottero
dlottero@bu.edu
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Mon, 21 Mar 1994 06:43:57 -0700 (MST)
Can anyone tell me what font was used for the small text on UFOrb? I'm
speaking of the stuff that looks like a laserwriter "smoothed" it.
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Adam J Weitzman <weitzman@individual.com>

KLF/Orb Mailing List <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Mon, 21 Mar 1994 08:48:51 -0500 (EST)
So is it possible to get these TrueType fonts for Windows? (Sue me, I

don't have a machine of my own, so this one here's the only one I've got.)
ObOrb: My UK 2CD _Adventures_ got sold. Thanks for playing.
- Adam J Weitzman
INDIVIDUAL, Inc.
weitzman@individual.com
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Chris Day <chrisd@EPID.LEEDS.AC.UK>

KLF/ORB List <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Mon, 21 Mar 94 15:48:00 PST
Mystic Knights
Greetings One and All

I have a question and it goes like this....
Were any of the "Mystic Knights" tracks released in the USA/Canada?
If so, what were they?
Regards
Chris
dubnobasswithmyheadman
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 21 Mar 94 09:43:54 CST
Pommes Frites
>>>I'm accepting pre-orders for Pommes Frites on CDS and 12".

>>
>>Sounds great! I've waited many a moon...
>>
>>Does anyone have a track listing for these?
>>Also, Dave, will these be domestic or import?
>>And will it be coming out in both domestic and import at some point?
>>Will the track listings be the same?
Has this been answered? Is it a domestic release or an import?
Also, is the content of the 12" the same as the CD5?
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asw2 <asw2@aber.ac.uk>
klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 21 Mar 1994 15:40:39 +0000
Gif's, Tiff's 'n' all that.....
'lo
just a few quick questions 'cause I don't know the answers......
1) Is there a definative list of records that the ORB have mixed/ recorded?
2) If there is, where is it?
3) Does anyone know any ftp sites where I can get gif's of The KLF/ The OrB?
If these questions have been mailed before please just reply to my
private e-mail address, thanxs
Andy
(so nuts I live in wales)
------------------> Freedom fighter for The Short Footer Campaign.
Andrew Stephen Whittle.
asw2@deca.aber.ac.uk
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Adam J Weitzman <weitzman@INDIVIDUAL.COM>
Mon, 21 Mar 1994 10:20:45 -0600 (GMT-0600)
> So is it possible to get these TrueType fonts for Windows? (Sue me, I
> don't have a machine of my own, so this one here's the only one I've got.)
To the best of my knowledge, it is not easily possible to convert
Mac fonts into windoze format. I have heard that if one strips off the
resourse fork, then maybe it can be converetd. I have never done this,
nor do I intend to try it now. This all assumes that the fonts are
essitionally similar. Does anybody know if this true?
BTW, a "resourse fork" is the header at the top of each Macintosh

file which designates it as a Macintosh file.
Power PC - true RISC power,
Ran
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Pete Hartman <pwh@bradley.bradley.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 21 Mar 1994 10:46:56 -0600
Re: Re: You Evil Bro Panners (fwd)
>Aren't you just DYING to go see them live? Wouldn't that kick ass?!
I was.
Then I did see them.
I'm no longer dying.
>Well that's what they sound like live. What kind of Orb fan would not
>appreciate a live set. Well since some of you didn't get to go, it's the
>closest thing to actually being there!
Actually, it is better than actually being there, because I can set my
stereo so that it doesn't overdrive the bass beyond all tolerance.
I am interested in seeing the Orb live again, but as I say, I'm no longer
dying. Hopefully next time they'll have a sound person who knows what
s/he's doing.
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Mon, 21 Mar 1994 06:43:57 -0700 (MST)
Can anyone tell me what font was used for the small text on UFOrb? I'm
speaking of the stuff that looks like a laserwriter "smoothed" it.
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 21 Mar 94 09:53:29 PST
Re: You Evil Bro Panners (fwd)
rmvrshek@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Robert M. Vrshek) writes:

>Hey just thought all you outspoken panners of Live 93 might like a
>philosophical question to ponder. If you think their performance was not up to
>par for the "Orb," I'd like you to ask this of yourself:
>
>Well that's what they sound like live.
I've seen them live twice and they were much better than that damned
Live 93 thing both times. Also, the Patterns 'n' Textures Live CD is
better than Live 93. Live 93 is just substandard, IMHO.

/jon
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Mon, 21 Mar 94 12:59:06 EST
Orb / Sun Electric to remix Yello
From the Yello list-> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 09:40:29 -36803936 (PST)
> Resent-From: cliff@pdh.com (Cliff Tuel)
>
> I called Smash Records this morning; Yello's new one, Zebra, has been
> pushed back to early August. 2:-( Boris Blank wasn't happy with it and
> has gone back into the studio for further work.
>
> Yello has jumped on the "Remixed By The Orb" bandwagon; the first single
> from Zebra, Do It, will be remixed by The Orb, with Sun Electric
> chipping in. The single will also carry mixes by Chicago local Mark
> Picchiotti and, after an extended hiatus at the remix controls, Boris Blank.
> Yello will be in Los Angeles soon for a video shoot.
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Mon, 21 Mar 1994 11:17:39 -0700 (MST)
Gif's, Tiff's 'n' all that.....
> 1) Is there a definative list of records that the ORB have mixed/ recorded?
> 2) If there is, where is it?
> 3) Does anyone know any ftp sites where I can get gif's of The KLF/ The OrB?
There's a full orb discog and plenty of pics available for ftp at
asylum.sf.ca.us, the list's archive site.
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Mon, 21 Mar 94 18:24:54 GMT
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 21 Mar 1994 18:58:27 +0000
"Lemmings" by SFX
Forgive me if this has been asked before, but did the KLF have anything
to do with "Lemmings"?
It was written by Ian Richardson and Nick Coler,who also produced it,
but there are a number of subtle hints on the sleeve that the KLF might
be involved...such as the words "Clyde Built" on the background,and of course
there is the fact that one mix is called "The Hamster JAM by the SPACE invaders"
The fact that the song itself has parts resembling "Last Train" and "Next"
may be purely coincidental.Were Richardson and Coler just trying tto cash in
on the KLF success?
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Subject:
Original Version Of "U.F.Orb"?
Greetings Trancentral Crew:
I'm gonna post this again.
Hey all.
Does anyone have a track list for the new 'original version' reissue
of "U.F.Orb" by the Island Red Label? If so, please post it
immediately!
Thanks very much,
Stephen
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Mon, 21 Mar 1994 12:54:38 -0700 (MST)
"Lemmings" by SFX
> Forgive me if this has been asked before, but did the KLF have anything
> to do with "Lemmings"?
> It was written by Ian Richardson and Nick Coler,who also produced it,
If Nick Coler worked on it, then any apparent KLF references really are KLF
references . . . Coler's a long-time KLF hack! More details please!
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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 12:55:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Original Version Of "U.F.Orb"?
> Does anyone have a track list for the new 'original version' reissue
> of "U.F.Orb" by the Island Red Label? If so, please post it
> immediately!
I saw it in the shops this weekend and it was the same tracklist as always,
with no bonus CD5. I think someone at Island misunderstood.
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Mon, 21 Mar 1994 20:36:32 +0000
"Lemmings"
Okay,the Lemmings low down...

It was released last year,on Parlophone records i think,in association
with Psygnosis.
Written and produced by Coler and Richardson,it is heavily based on (yes,
you've guessed it) the Lemmings computer game.The rap in the song seems to be
by either NC or IR and it is crap, in a funky skillo kind of way.Lots of
guest appearances by the Lemmings themselves (as they fall) and there are
touches of KLF here and there.The chorus has a similar tune to that of the
instrumental bit of "Next", and amid all the Lemming-noise is something
reminiscent of the twirly bit in "Last Train..."
I found the single in the KLF section of my local record store,
bearing a sticker with "KLF???" written on it.The link is clear, but it was
released during the KLF's quiet period before they mutated in to the K
Foundation, and could just be a project that Messers Coler and Riichardson
worked on to pass the time before the coming of K.
I go home this weekend,and I will check up catologue numbers and all
that,but you'll have to wait till the end of April for more news.
The CD track listing is as follows:
1."Lemmings" 7" mix
2."Lemmings" Lemming BeBop Extended Version
3."The Hamster Jam by the Space Invaders"
4."I think you better do as he says"
Any more info...E-Mail me.Just don't expect an immediate response...the end
of term beckons!
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"I ain't no dreamer,no angry young man.I know my past and I need no plan."
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------From: David Eschatfische <2609COWEND@vmsf.csd.mu.edu>
To: lazlo@CARINA.UNM.EDU
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 15:06:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Original Version Of "U.F.Orb"?

>> Does anyone have a track list for the new 'original version' reissue
>> of "U.F.Orb" by the Island Red Label?
> I saw it in the shops this weekend and it was the same tracklist as always,
> with no bonus CD5. I think someone at Island misunderstood.
When I asked Formula about this, they said that the press release was
referring to the 12" for the track u.f.orb, not the re-release of the album.
But as far as I've been able to learn, noone at this time is sure if that
is going to come out or not...
(Eschatfische.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------From: "He was a little dog named Snuckles." <STNK@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU>
Date:
Mon, 21 Mar 94 16:48:50 EST
Subject: Re: Original Version Of "U.F.Orb"?
>> Does anyone have a track list for the new 'original version' reissue
>> of "U.F.Orb" by the Island Red Label? If so, please post it
>> immediately!
>
>I saw it in the shops this weekend and it was the same tracklist as always,
>with no bonus CD5. I think someone at Island misunderstood.
Oh, but did they? Or are they just being sneaky by calling it the
"original version" and not mentioning that there really isn't any other
version out there? Would you put something like that past a record
company -- any record company...I sure wouldn't. Anything to grab some
funds...the "original version" as it was in the UK didn't have the Blue
Room Cd in it either, did it? Or am I (as usual) wrong?
BTW, I just go AbsOrb...free. It's nice working as the GM in a radio
station. But my question is...are the trax on it the same as the live
'93 versions?
stnk@maristb.bitnet
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Mon, 21 Mar 1994 16:53:48 -0700 (MST)
Re: Original Version Of "U.F.Orb"?
>> I saw it in the shops this weekend and it was the same tracklist as
>> always, with no bonus CD5. I think someone at Island misunderstood.
>
> Oh, but did they? Or are they just being sneaky by calling it the
> "original version" and not mentioning that there really isn't any other
> version out there?
I believe it was an honest mistake on someone's part, confusing the revised
(to the US) issue of Ultraworld with U.F.Orb. Period. Aphorisms about
malice and stupidity apply.

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2000 Strong <iridium@phantom.com>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 21 Mar 1994 22:04:34 -0500 (EST)
On Mon, 21 Mar 1994, Pete Ashdown wrote:

> Can anyone tell me what font was used for the small text on UFOrb? I'm
> speaking of the stuff that looks like a laserwriter "smoothed" it.
>
It's Template Gothic, a commercial font available from Emigre graphics
for about $65....
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Bobby Tribble <btribbl@eis.calstate.edu>

btribbl@eis.calstate.edu
Tue, 22 Mar 1994 02:22:01 -0800 (PST)
Re: Re: You Evil Bro Panners (fwd)
On Mon, 21 Mar 1994, Pete Hartman wrote:

>
>
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I was.
Then I did see them.
I'm no longer dying.
Well, I was. I did. And I still am. =)

>
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>Well that's what they sound like live. What kind of Orb fan would not
>appreciate a live set. Well since some of you didn't get to go, it's the
>closest thing to actually being there!
Actually, it is better than actually being there, because I can set my
stereo so that it doesn't overdrive the bass beyond all tolerance.
Well, I liked the bass (I know, from the reports of the US mini-tour that
the Orb did, I'm in the minority here. I saw the SF Warfield Theater
show, BTW) if only for the power that it sent through my body, something
that I'd never be able to simulate at home.
What I thought was fantastic, though, was the light show...
BTW, I like Live '93, but I like all the Orb CDs that I have (well, maybe
not Perpetual Dawn from the US Adventures too much...) and am going to
buy Patterns and Textures sometime soon, so I haven't heard that yet.
One thing that bugs me from Live '93 is on A Huge... I can't help
thinking 'this is Peel Sessions!!!' for the first 9.5 minutes...
I'll be very happy if the Orb go on tour around the US again...
Bobby Tribble
| Marshall! Hey marshall! |
=================| What's the matter fella? |

btribbl@ctp.org | Somebody stole my horse! |
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heath bunting <heath@flux.demon.co.uk>

4-ad-l@jhuvm.bitnet, gregbb@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu,
Tue, 22 Mar 1994 12:28:08 +0000
Dance link up
special projects division is currently planning

an event at virtual world dance event:
thurs 26th may - monday 31st may
carlyon bay beach, st austell, cornwall, england
organised by obsession
special projects division intend to link people on the
beach to the rest of the world and/or other dance events
via internet e.g. IRC, video conf
if you are involved in an event during the above
dates and are interested in a link up of some kind
then please contact heath@flux.demon.co.uk
*** cybercafe BBS
TEL: 44(0)71 240 3332 data
Email: cybercafe@flux.demon.co.uk
*** special projects division
TEL: 44(0)71 497 2916 voice
Email: special@flux.demon.co.uk
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Pete Hartman <pwh@bradley.bradley.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 22 Mar 1994 10:11:55 -0600
Re: Re: Re: You Evil Bro Panners (fwd)
>> Actually, it is better than actually being there, because I can set my
>> stereo so that it doesn't overdrive the bass beyond all tolerance.
>Well, I liked the bass (I know, from the reports of the US mini-tour that
>the Orb did, I'm in the minority here. I saw the SF Warfield Theater
>show, BTW) if only for the power that it sent through my body, something
>that I'd never be able to simulate at home.
Don't get me wrong: I don't have any problem with powerful bass, and in
fact I love it. The PTV show in the same venue as the Orb was fantastic
for that among other reasons.
But when the high end is obscured by the bass breaking up on top because
it's overdriven, it kind of removes the fun--I couldn't HEAR the music
very well at all.
And the Orb's music is such that hearing all of it together is at least
half the fun. There may have been some place in the room where the music
was well balanced--I hear that the high end was unbearable on the upper
level--but it's really disappointing to pay $25 for substandard sound.
I've been to plenty of concerts in various types of venue, and while
the sound wasn't the *worst* I've heard, it was pretty piss-poor.
But I'm hashing the same ground we covered 5 months ago.
I would go see them again, but only once more unless the next time
is really amazing.
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"klf" <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
22 Mar 94 12:17:00 EST
ambient DJ chain tape
Hiya! The ambient DJ chain tape has been sitting here waiting for its
next victim for a week now. The person next on the list (David Kuznick kuznick@meglos.mdcorp.ksc.nasa.gov) doesn't seem to be at this address
any more as his mail gets returned. I mailed to the moderator-ish person
(Irfon-Kim Admad - ahmadi@declab.queensu.ca) and to the next person on the list
(Rajesh Prabhu - prabhu@cs. umass.edu) and they haven't replied. This may be
because students all over North America are busy drinking their own weight in
beer at daytona beach at the mo. I propose therefore that as there's a huge
list waiting anyone *currently in the list* who mails me
(speakman@biost.mskcc.org) and promises (scout's honour) to tape it and turn
it around in two days or less can jump the queue and have it next - it's better
than it sitting here doing nothing. Okay kids, start your engines!
John Speakman, MSKCC, NYC speakman@biost.mskcc.org
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everton@wg.estec.esa.nl, fall@wg.estec.esa.nl,
Tue, 22 Mar 94 17:31:18 GMT
xylem
sorry everyone, please ignore unless you are

from xylem.biostr.washington.edu. see note
below, please tell me if it was you. i could
get into trouble.
The crash this afternoon was suspiciously close to mail arriving from
"xylem.biostr.washington.edu"
If anybody does actually communicate with anybody at that site,
then please inform me so that we can discount it as a possible hacking.
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KLF List <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Tue, 22 Mar 94 20:28:21 GMT
Drummond as Who
Right, this is the first thing I'm gonna say on the list...
Rumour has it Spielberg's making a Dr. Who movie, and we all
know how excellent Hollywood is at screwing up neat concepts...
... well...
I think Bill Drummond should be cast as Who:

a) he's the right age
b) he can act
c) he's Scottish - nice accent for Who
d) he's weird
e) he knows the coup as far as Dr. Who is concerned
f) he needs to come back on the "scene" in a major,
yet, unpredictable way, and this opportunity is
absolutely ideal....
Need I say more..!?
Dredd.
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"John Speakman" <SPEAKMAN@biosta.mskcc.org>

22 Mar 94 12:17:00 EST
ambient DJ chain tape
Hiya! The ambient DJ chain tape has been sitting here waiting for its
next victim for a week now. The person next on the list (David Kuznick kuznick@meglos.mdcorp.ksc.nasa.gov) doesn't seem to be at this address
any more as his mail gets returned. I mailed to the moderator-ish person
(Irfon-Kim Admad - ahmadi@declab.queensu.ca) and to the next person on the list
(Rajesh Prabhu - prabhu@cs. umass.edu) and they haven't replied. This may be
because students all over North America are busy drinking their own weight in
beer at daytona beach at the mo. I propose therefore that as there's a huge
list waiting anyone *currently in the list* who mails me
(speakman@biost.mskcc.org) and promises (scout's honour) to tape it and turn
it around in two days or less can jump the queue and have it next - it's better
than it sitting here doing nothing. Okay kids, start your engines!
John Speakman, MSKCC, NYC speakman@biost.mskcc.org
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andy@kingkong.wco.ftp.com (Andy Nourse)

Hugh James Sharpe <hjs15@columbia.edu>, klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 22 Mar 1994 14:37:54 -0800
Re: Patterns and Textures!!!
>If anyone on this list is looking for anything, they should not hesitate a
>posting. It worked for me. Thanks a bunch and until...chill!
I was looking for Patterns and Textures 3 months ago, and I'm still looking.
If anybody knows of a source, please let me know.
&andy
KC1IP/6
the tie-dyed side of the force
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22 Mar 94 19:12:00 EST
chain tapie....gonnie, all gonnie
Hiya! The chain tape has left the building en route to the next happy
copyright-law infringer... so no more mail asking for it, sorry...
John.
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Tue, 22 Mar 1994 20:50:21 -0500 (EST)
etc..
whom dis concerns:

A few months ago, someone posted that an album was going to be put together
consisting of tributes/parodies, etc.. of the album 'Space' by SPACE. If
somebody could please post the latest info, entries, etc.. i would
appreciate it.
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etc..
whom dis concerns:

A few months ago, someone posted that an album was going to be put together
consisting of tributes/parodies, etc.. of the album 'Space' by SPACE. If
somebody could please post the latest info, entries, etc.. i would
appreciate it.
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Wed, 23 Mar 94 09:32:51 CET
The Orb Live at Pinkpop-The Netherlands
Hallo, to those who are interested.

A message form the Netherlands.
On the 23-05-1994 The Orb will perform live at the Pinkpopfestival in village
callel 'Landgraaf' (=about 15 miles form Maastricht). It's a pity it's one of
the few interesting gigs. The other bands are still using those old fashion
guitars. I guess it will very crowdy. Its a special edition of the festival.
The costs are I think about 55 Dutch Guilders.
A better idea would be a performance at the 'CAMPING FLIGHT TO THE LOWLANDS
FESTIVAL' in the Flevopolder (about 40 miles from Amsterdam). The atmosphere
is much better, far MORE space, various stages. There even is a rumour they'll
have a special stage which will offer dance music.
Comments, info etc to: lub@uba.uva.nl or
tv99ad@hacktic.nl
(=criticalexperimentaldancemusic)
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 23 Mar 94 13:50:55 CST
Orb Review in "CD Review"
The following review is in the April 1994 edition of "CD Review". The
ratings are based on a 5 star system. The reviewer is Ian Christe.
ORB
Live '93
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Island CIDD 8022 * 1993, 141:22 (2 CDs)
Performance
Sound Quality
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No matter how good a makeover rave culture and nifty computer graphics
can give ambient music, so-called futuristic bands like the Orb are still
the technology-assisted children of Tangerine Dream and the "Music for
Airports"-era experiments of Brian Eno. That hasn't slowed the Orb's
ascent as an international club favorite, but it doesn't make for compelling listening at home.
The notion of a live electronic record seems cheeky, as the band's input
is limited to triggering samples over prerecorded rhythms. As is maybe
more true of Laurie Anderson, though, the Orb's intriguing arragements of
the familiar and the bizarre represent serious effort and a new aesthetic
for creating music. It's the mainly uneventful results that cause this
two-and-a-half hours to tick by at less than warp speed.
These 12 capsules of electronic placebo are sonically-varied enough,
with echoey synth tracks and samples layered to trap the mind rather than
engage the body. A few cuts even approximate the disorienting jumble of
sound pranksters Negativland, without the sense of humor. But the effect
is a well-designed theatrical set, and leaves observers hungry for some
action in the foreground.
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 23 Mar 1994 12:14:47 -0800 (PST)
Cumulo Difference...?
I just noticed something odd; the two cumulonimbus mixes of LFC (the one
on the US cd-5 and the one on Aubrey Mixes) are not the same. The Aubrey
one has the rooster at the beginning as opposed to the cd-5 one which
does not, and the Aubrey one also has strange swirly noises at the
beginning with maybe a twenty-second intro, the cd-5 one does not.
Any idea about this? Just idle wonderling...
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From: Kell Dockham <kdockha@calvin.linfield.edu>
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I just noticed something odd; the two cumulonimbus mixes of LFC (the one
on the US cd-5 and the one on Aubrey Mixes) are not the same. The Aubrey
one has the rooster at the beginning as opposed to the cd-5 one which
does not, and the Aubrey one also has strange swirly noises at the
beginning with maybe a twenty-second intro, the cd-5 one does not.
Any idea about this? Just idle wonderling...
Um. My copy of LFC on the US cd 5 doesn't have a cumulonimbus mix.. it
has the original version, dance mk 2 (youth and thrash), and the
ambient mix mk 1 (orb/falconer).. the cumulonimbus mix is remixed

by pal joey, and sounds different.. do you have a different cd-5?
-- ian
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Ian <shredder@AI.MIT.EDU>
Wed, 23 Mar 1994 16:51:35 -0600 (CST)
Re: Cumulo Difference...?
On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, Ian wrote:

> Um. My copy of LFC on the US cd 5 doesn't have a cumulonimbus mix.. it
> has the original version, dance mk 2 (youth and thrash), and the
> ambient mix mk 1 (orb/falconer).. the cumulonimbus mix is remixed
> by pal joey, and sounds different.. do you have a different cd-5?
Sounds like he has the same one I have. Mine has "dance mix mk I edit",
"inner master mix", "cumulonimbus mix", "dance mk II", "heavyweight mix" and
"Outlands (fountains of elisha mix)"... cat # 865 139-2, if that helps.
--Me. (Berry R. Thrailkill)
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>> I just noticed something odd; the two cumulonimbus mixes of LFC (the
>> one on the US cd-5 and the one on Aubrey Mixes) are not the same.
>
> Um. My copy of LFC on the US cd 5 doesn't have a cumulonimbus mix..
As far as I know, the single with the Pal Joey and Coldcut mixes was the
only LFC CD5 released in the US. Sounds like you have the UK single.
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Andrew Krieg 5-5379 <krieg@CT.MED.GE.COM>
Wed, 23 Mar 1994 18:48:24 -0500 (EST)
Re: Orb Review in "CD Review"
On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, Andrew Krieg 5-5379 wrote:

> The following review is in the April 1994 edition of "CD Review". The
> ratings are based on a 5 star system. The reviewer is Ian Christe.
ick. Make him go away! I'm glad i don't get this crappy magazine..
He's wrong about everything in that lame review. I wonder if he even
understands.. probably gave Mariah Carey 5 stars.. <grin>
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>
ORB
Live '93
<irritating arsenio hall noises>

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Performance
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The notion of a live electronic record seems cheeky, as the band's input
is limited to triggering samples over prerecorded rhythms. As is maybe
more true of Laurie Anderson, though, the Orb's intriguing arragements of
the familiar and the bizarre represent serious effort and a new aesthetic
Yikes. Maybe the guy's never BEEN to a club.. frightening.

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That's not a very vivid description.. `like Negativland, without the sense
of humor'
I'm disappointed and appauled.
Once again, frightening.
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Sorry to waste bandwidth with this, but it's urgent..

CHRIS CARMAN please contact me....
(re: absorb 12")
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CAPED CRUSADER <SO94014@GSVMS2.CC.GASOU.EDU>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 23 Mar 1994 21:07:28 -0500 (EST)
KLFish stuff for sale or trade
Ok, here is some stuff people might be interested in:

AsbOrb 12" promo (still has the entry card, been played once)
KLF Presents the Moody Boys Selection: 3:A.M. Eternal
KLF - Justifed & Ancient CD5
TWITCH CD 6 (with a mix of the Orb's "Blueroom")
Manifestation - Axiom Collection II (Material, Bill Laswell stuff)
The Orb "Perpetual Dawn" the original, NOT the re-issue
The KLF "Last Train to Trancentral Remix" Meets the Moody Boys Uptown
What I am looking for is older breakbeat material:
Altern 8, The Prodigy (rare stuff only), Urban Hype, Acen, anything from
labels Sub Base, Production House, Moving Shadow...I'm also interested
in compilations with such material on them, you get the idea!
I will entertain all offers cashwise, but I am really looking for trades.
Send all mail to: so94014@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu
thanx!
Ryan
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John Clawson <JCLAWSON@DREW.DREW.EDU>

KLF@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 23 Mar 1994 21:11:05 -0400 (EDT)
CMJ Article from Feb (finally)
Date:
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Clawson, John
JCLAWSON
STUDENT3
(201)-408-4956
( _in%KLF@ASYLUM.SF.CA.US )
Subject: CMJ Article from Feb (finally)

Here's the article I'd mentioned for anyone who hasn't gotten it yet.
(To Doug Wolk: sorry if I'm infringing, but it's a decent article so it
deserves more readers).
Orb
The International Forecast on the Weather Channel put the temperature at
48 degrees and cloudy in London as we spoke to Dr. Alex Paterson, who with
his partner Thrash, comprises the psychedelic trance-techno duo known as
the Orb. An enormous-sounding fishtank nearby in his flat bubbled audibly
over the phone lines, no doubt a source of inspiration for some of the
bands more tranquil, gurgily musical experiments.

Is the band at work on it's next record? "Well, not really," says
Paterson. Then he adds, in seemingly complete contradiction, "We've done
about 10 or 11 tracks for the new album, of which we're probably going to
use eight or nine of them and use the other two as B-sides...We've hired a
studio out, which is empty, so we have to fill it up with the equiptment,
mixing desk, and the while skedaddle, really. Which is happening at the
moment. It'll all be in working order hopefully by the front end of next
week, so we can start mixing the album. We've written it, but we want to
mix it in our own studio for the first time."
Many of the Orb's tracks are buitl around samples that come from
unconventional sources, such as found sounds, spoken extracts or gently
bubbling water sounds. "We're not sampling as much," Paterson says,
refering to others' tendencies to use samples as repetitive loops or mere
ornamentation. "We'll sample a noise and use it to build a drum track. A
noise. A splash." As if to flamboyantly demonstrate in real-time the
Orb's intention, he puts the phone next to -or possibly inside of- the
gurgling tank. Over the wire, it could be a toilet flushing or Niagara
Falls, or a sudden typhoon that the Weather Channel missed.
Is this a clue about the next album? Can he drop any hints as to
what Orbanauts can expect? "Not really, no. I think there's something
involved with jazz lyrics, and jazz synth lines. I mean, it's not like
we've become a jazz band. We're a reggae band as much as we're a house
band." Once again, through the miracle of Sprint, his smirk is audible
over the transatlantic lines.
Not only are the Orb's musical approaches unconventional, but it's
fans are as well. They have even created an Orb discussion group on the
Internet, where users can log in on-line and trade philosophies and
opnions on what the Orb's music means. "We've been trying to
infiltrate it, actually," Paterson says, hinting at the possibility of
using the anonymity of the Internet to zero in on Orb fans in America,
much like the band's exhaustively complete mailing list in the UK. The
Transcentral electronic mailinglist is a free, worldwide computer forum
for the discussion of anything related to the Orb (and its companion band
the KLF). Dozens of messages are instantly transmitted each day to
subscribers. Current topics, as of this writing, include sources of
samples on Live '93, the availability of Japanese-only Orb remixes off YMO
tracks, and reviews of live Orb performances. Recently, there was a
scavanger hunt whose prize was a copy of the super-rare, Israeli-only "K
Cera Cera" single by the KLF, and the list is currently putting together a
tape of its members' own ambient electronic tracks. Moderator "Lazlo
Nibble" also maintains an archive with a complete Orb discography
(including Paterson/Thrash remixes of other bands' recordings-it's HUGE),
digitized album cover and live poster art, a history of the band and more.
For information, send polite EMail to klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us
(requests are handled by a person, not a machine).
-James Lien and Douglas Wolk
-----Hope there weren't too many typos and remember, this is out of Vol. 37 No.
10 Issue #369 of CMJ new music report. It was out the week of February
28,1994 and is not available at your local bookstore or music store.
Ta for now...
Jay
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kdockha@CALVIN.LINFIELD.EDU (Kell Dockham)
Wed, 23 Mar 1994 18:21:22 -0800 (PST)
Re: Cumulo Difference...?
The world according to Kell Dockham:

>I just noticed something odd; the two cumulonimbus mixes of LFC (the one
>on the US cd-5 and the one on Aubrey Mixes) are not the same. The Aubrey
>one has the rooster at the beginning as opposed to the cd-5 one which
>does not, and the Aubrey one also has strange swirly noises at the
>beginning with maybe a twenty-second intro, the cd-5 one does not.
>Any idea about this? Just idle wonderling...
Slightly different edits, nothing more. They added those swirly noises to
the beginnings and ends of a lot of the tracks on Aubrey Mixes.
C.
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (Kallisti Liberation Front)
Wed, 23 Mar 1994 19:06:44 -0800 (PST)
Freedom Fighters single - worth it?
I have the opportunity to buy the "Freedom Fighters" single, by System 7

(not the limited edition). Should I? For the record, I think that the
second Sys7 album is pretty damn good, although I don't think I'm as
enthusiastic about it as some. But I never did buy the first album - scared
off by middling reviews, I guess. Is "Freedom Fighters" one of the crap
vocal cuts from the album? Is "Depth Disco," the b-side, worth having an
extended version of? Any comments on the remixes on the single? Finally,
just out of curiosity, which tracks on the first album did Derrick May
contribute to, or did I not really read that he was involved?
C.
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Noah Somerset Spurrier <noah@cats.ucsc.edu>

Andrew Krieg 5-5379 <krieg@ct.med.ge.com>
Wed, 23 Mar 1994 22:21:59 -0800 (PST)
On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, Andrew Krieg 5-5379 wrote:

> The following review is in the April 1994 edition of "CD Review". The
> ratings are based on a 5 star system. The reviewer is Ian Christe.
>
>
ORB
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Live '93
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Island CIDD 8022 * 1993, 141:22 (2 CDs)
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It seems that Live 93 isn't destined to be the Orb's most popular album.
I had a lot of trouble listening to it the first time, but I was in a
very hyperactive and jumpy mood. Live 93 isn't best to mix with
hyperactivity. Still, a few days after I bought the album I was in a more
mellow mood so I put on the album and I really appreciated it a lot more.
It's much harder to get into than their other stuff, but it's worth it once
you get used to it.
When my Orb-naive friends ask me for album recomendations or sample tapes
I usually guide them to the more popular Orb tracks. And yet even as I
do this, I curse the fact that the only Orb track the local radio stations
ever play is "Little Fluffly Clouds".
I was very pleased when I heard the mix of "Little Fluffly Clouds" on
Live 93. It really restored my appreciation for the original track.
It's fun to hear an old favorite in a new and interesting way. Even
my mom likes this track (both mixes). My step-father is still a bit more
conservative. He doesn't understand what the three minutes of samples at the
beginning of the Live 93 mix has to do with the music =-). I sometimes
wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that my Mom and I have both
tried LSD before, but he never has. It must have something more to do
with it than that. My Step-dad likes the kind of music they played in the
movie "The Commitments", my mom likes Gregorian Chants and K.D.Lang...
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SESSIONS CHRISTOPHER VAUGHAN <sessions@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 23 Mar 1994 23:36:03 -0700 (MST)
unsubscribing
How do you unsubscribe? I deleted the message from a few days ago
telling how it's done(where you replace u with !, etc).
Thanks beforehand-Chris
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To: noah@CATS.UCSC.EDU (Noah Somerset Spurrier)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 02:00:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Orb Review in "CD Review"

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When my Orb-naive friends ask me for album recomendations or sample tapes

I usually guide them to the more popular Orb tracks. And yet even as I
do this, I curse the fact that the only Orb track the local radio stations
ever play is "Little Fluffly Clouds".
Just out of curiosity, what radio station do you listen to? Because
none of the "alternative" (I guess only alternative stations would
play them) radio stations I have listened to play the Orb or KLF (91X
in San Diego, and WDRE in New York and Philadelphia, and sometimes
that big station in LA - what's it's name?)
Even though imo, the Orb are getting some "mainstream" attention (i.e.
getting written up in spin and rolling stone and whatever), I still
think that they're still a bit outside that fine line between
mainstream alternative (oxymoron, I know) and (not) m.a. Of course,
this will all change if they do end up playing at lollapalooza.
Also, does anyone know the meaning behind America:WTIL? (I wasn't
into them when it came out, so I didn't read all the reviews and so
forth). I personally think that they're asking the US to stop the
persian gulf war, given all those jfk and bush samples in America No
More. Anyone know for sure?
Also, in 3AM Eternal, when they say
The K
The L
The F
and the Ology....
What does this mean? I personally think that "the Ology" is actually
one word - theology. But then, what does theology mean in this
context? I'm probably reading too much into it. ("Trying to interpret
KLF lyrics? What the thell was I thinking?")
Howard
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Christopher Robin Zimmerman <zimmerma@ucrengr.ucr.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 23 Mar 1994 23:20:44 -0800 (PST)
KROQ? They gave "Assassin" and "Blue Room" some play when U.F.Orb was
first released. And they often played snatches of other songs under their
concert announcements..."Outlands" comes to mind.
Christopher Robin Zimmerman
A regular at the Electric Cafe
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"Chris.Hilker" <cspot@NETCOM.COM>
Wed, 23 Mar 1994 23:41:31 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Freedom Fighters single - worth it?
> I have the opportunity to buy the "Freedom Fighters" single, by System 7
> (not the limited edition). Should I? For the record, I think that the
Well, in my opinion, it's not the best track off the album. In
fact, both Freedom Fighters and Depth Disco are fairly dull.
Freedom Fighters: Mellow track, wailing soprano singing about how
"Freedom Fighters fight for love..." Very slow.
Depth Disco: Doesn't present itself to memory at the moment.
Well, enjoy!
0 0
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|Groovy Dave!|
in Idaho! 8-)
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Howard Cheng <hcheng@ENIAC.SEAS.UPENN.EDU>
Wed, 23 Mar 1994 23:46:21 -0700 (PDT)
Radio...
> do this, I curse the fact that the only Orb track the local radio stations
> ever play is "Little Fluffly Clouds".
Hahahahah!!! Now here's some sad news, KUOI FM 89.3, located in

Moscow, Idaho, plays the Orb. Of course, I'm one of the DJ's there, so I
make sure that the Orb, KLF, and other niftiness quota is fulfilled.
Heheheheh, too bad it's a college radio, and a meager 50 Watts. <sigh>
Anyway, there are the few stations that play some of the more Orb-ish,
Ambient tracks. Me for one. 8-)
Well, maybe you should all move up here to Idaho, and then we can
all jam together! 8-) Just thought I'd share.
Groovy Dave
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> Also, in 3AM Eternal, when they say

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The L
The F
and the Ology....
What does this mean? I personally think that "the Ology" is actually
one word - theology. But then, what does theology mean in this
context? I'm probably reading too much into it. ("Trying to interpret
KLF lyrics? What the thell was I thinking?")
No... I think they are taking a little bit of a line of humour from some old
ads for British Telecom, with Maureen Lipman in the UK. It's something like
her talking to her son (on the phone, *of course*), and relaying the
conversation to father who is doddering around the room. He's telling her
about him passing his degree or something, and she shouts to hubby, "He got an
Ology!", and whitters on about how good that is. I suspect that's where the
inspiration comes from.
Culf.
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Thu, 24 Mar 94 14:34:15 GMT
New Compilation featuring Orb
Hi,
I can't remember all the details, but the NME reported that a new compilation
album featuring The Orb under a pseudonym - 'Geep' (continuing their fascination
of sheep - Goat + Sheep = Geep!), is being/has been released just recently. The
album is called 'Electronica', with a sub-title 'Volume 1 - The Rare Tracks' - I
think!
Also mentioned was the release date for 'Pommes Fritz' - May 3rd, and the
release date for the album - May 28th.
Mentioned as well, was a rumour that the Orb have about 9 albums of material
ready for release - I do hope that's true!
Finally, is 'A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain That Rules From The Centre Of
The Ultraworld (Loving You)' only going to be released in the US, or is it going
to appear overe here? Apparently Big Life aren't allowed to release it over
here due to legal difficulties (by The Orb).
Hope this is of some use...
Nick
---------From: Noah Somerset Spurrier <noah@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: Howard Cheng <hcheng@eniac.seas.upenn.edu>
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 08:43:03 -0800 (PST)

Subject: Re: Orb Review in "CD Review"
On Thu, 24 Mar 1994, Howard Cheng wrote:
> > When my Orb-naive friends ask me for album recomendations or sample tapes
> > I usually guide them to the more popular Orb tracks. And yet even as I
> > do this, I curse the fact that the only Orb track the local radio stations
> > ever play is "Little Fluffly Clouds".
>
> Just out of curiosity, what radio station do you listen to? Because
> none of the "alternative" (I guess only alternative stations would
> play them) radio stations I have listened to play the Orb or KLF (91X
> in San Diego, and WDRE in New York and Philadelphia, and sometimes
> that big station in LA - what's it's name?)
...
> Howard
>
Well, actually, I don't listen to the radio, but I have heard it played twice
on Live 105 while riding in some friend's cars. Live 105 is a Bay Area
station that plays "Modern Rock", basicly it tries to look hip while
playing top 40 stuff. The same kind of stuff you see on MTV. They
occaisonally throw in some alternative stuff.
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ub141@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (argon lazer battlegrid)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (The Ultraworld)
Thu, 24 Mar 1994 16:49:12 -0800
orb for sale
I have Close Encounters of the UltraWorld for sale.

It is a live recording from 1992.
Make me an offer.
Chris Fraser
ub141@freenet.victoria.bc.ca
cfraser@island.amtsgi.bc.ca
Finger me here for my PGP public key--^
"Note: Some very inexpensive pedals are not serviceable. Other pedals are
theoretically possible to service, but seem designed to discourage it. When
these need work, we suggest you work them into a garbage can, and get a new
pair of pedals." Bridgestone Owner's Manual, Bridgestone Cycle USA.
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Thu, 24 Mar 1994 21:03:31 -0800
Re: orb for sale
At 4:49 PM 3/24/94 -0800, argon lazer battlegrid wrote:

>I have Close Encounters of the UltraWorld for sale.
>It is a live recording from 1992.
>
>Make me an offer.
I should add that it is a single cd in good condition.

Here are the tracks
Departure
Spanish Castles in Space
LFC
Blue Room
Towers of Dub
Star 6&789
Earth (gaia)
Close Encounters
75:23
Chris Fraser
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Fri, 25 Mar 1994 00:28:51 -0800
close encounters no longer
Yes the disk is gone. Thanks to all those who played.

Chris Fraser
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Re: Radio...
> do this, I curse the fact that the only Orb track the local radio stations
> ever play is "Little Fluffly Clouds".
Probably college radio. lots of college stations play Orb, etc. Alternative
station in LA = KROQ
>
Hahahahah!!! Now here's some sad news, KUOI FM 89.3, located in
>Moscow, Idaho, plays the Orb. Of course, I'm one of the DJ's there, so I
>make sure that the Orb, KLF, and other niftiness quota is fulfilled.
>Heheheheh, too bad it's a college radio, and a meager 50 Watts. <sigh>
See?
Angiello
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"Sean E. Curry" <curry@vnet.IBM.COM>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Fri, 25 Mar 94 11:17:50 CST
Re: Radio...
Actually I first heard the Orb on KNNC 107.7 here in Austin. I guess they are
"alternative". And yes it was LFC that they played. When I went to Tower
to track down this band called 'Orb' I noticed the huge U.F.Orb wall display
at Tower and purchased it instead (on sale 12.99 2CD). Thus my story.....
Sean
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Fri, 25 Mar 1994 12:22:05 -0500 (EST)
what/love compilations???
Has anyone been insane enough to compile a tape full of "what time is
love" remixes? If so, I'd love to get my hands on a copy, as long as
some of the more obscure remixes are included. Purely for interest and
decadence.
I know this is non-orb/klf so I appologize for taking up space but I've
tried finding out elsewhere and no luck: does anyone know of a
petshopboys discography? or a list?
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Fri, 25 Mar 1994 11:03:26 -0700 (MST)
Emigre Designers Republic Issue
This may or may not be old news, but I got my issue of Emigre on Designers
Republic yesterday.
Very inspiring stuff. No ads, and DR did the entire issue included a 12 page
calendar (high on form, low on function) in the center. They've also got the
majority of the album designs displayed and a very lengthy interview. They
give the address where you can order their shirts and posters. One thing I
thought was funny is that they usually have no idea what the Japanese writing
they use means. More often than not, it is just "Designers Republic" in
Japanese.
What is this Roland TIME (or T:ME) album? Is it cool? Why do DR have such an
affection for PWEI and Sun Electric? It seems they've done more for those two
bands than any other.
ObOrb: The one design I noticed was missing was the Satellite Serenade cover.
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Fri, 25 Mar 1994 13:55:45 -0600 (CST)
Re: what/love compilations???
Just as a side note on the issue of "What Time Is love"

Is it just me or does the KLF need to do something new?
How many damn mixes ogf a song can you do before no one even cares
anymore...i mean really...the song has been around since what?...1988 or
before...give it up and do something new...and whats worse...i still hear
the damn song in mixes....i hate that song!
is the KLF dead or something????
they should do some new songs!!!
a new album even...
later
jasonosaj.
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B R O T H E R A L P H A B E T <jah10@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Fri, 25 Mar 1994 14:35:18 -0600 (CST)
RE: what/love compilations???
> is the KLF dead or something????

> they should do some new songs!!!
And this lucky gentleman is the winner of the "duh" award for this
week, beating out hordes of unsubscribe messages to demonstrate a new
level of ignorance. Congratulations!
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Fri, 25 Mar 94 15:55:24 EST
Subject: Re[2]: what/love compilations???

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>is the KLF dead or something????
Erm, well,... yes, they're dead. Disbanded 5/5/92, or thereabouts.
Changed their name to the K Foundation and released one song. It
doesn't sound like ANYTHING else they did.
This brings up a question. Laz, if you're still doing a FAQ, does
it have a timeline/history thingy? If not, want me to write one?
BTW, if you read rec.music.marketplace and see my post about selling
a few KLF/Orb items, don't respond. They're gone. Took about 30 seconds.
>a new album even...
Does anyone want to aks the obligatory Black Room bootleg question? ;)
<Except for jeffy@mit.edu -- he has everything. ;) >
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>jasonosaj.
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Fri, 25 Mar 1994 17:33:50 EDT
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AbsORB.
Hi!
Could someone please repost the info on the mix competition proposed
by Island in the "AbsORB" 12"?
Thanks,
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David Eschatfische <2609COWEND@VMSF.CSD.MU.EDU>
Fri, 25 Mar 1994 17:27:30 -0600 (CST)
On Fri, 25 Mar 1994, David Eschatfische wrote:

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> they should do some new songs!!!
And this lucky gentleman is the winner of the "duh" award for this
week, beating out hordes of unsubscribe messages to demonstrate a new
level of ignorance. Congratulations!
Perhaps you misunderstood the message. When was the last time The KLF/
the JAMMS/the Timelords came out with an album. The KLF probably has about
2 dozen remixes of "What time is Love". Also, when I see what they call the
"original version" of "What Time is Love" on a CD; it still has some of the
intro cut out as compared to a 12" from 89 (TVT 4071). What I'm trying
to say is that it would be nice for the KLF to come out with a new album
and staying consistant with the songs. They need to come out with
many new dance/techno tracks and cut out that singing crap from the White
Room.
Dave
cdh1@ra.msstate.edu
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"He was a little dog named Snuckles." <STNK@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU>
Fri, 25 Mar 1994 17:31:50 -0600 (CST)
Re: Re[2]: what/love compilations???
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> Does anyone want to aks the obligatory Black Room bootleg question? ;)
Well, I might as well, hell, does the KLF have a bootleg CD titled "The
Black Room"?
Dave
cdh1@ra.msstate.edu
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To: "C. David Holloway" <cdh1@Ra.MsState.Edu>

Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 17:52:24 -0600 (CST)
Subject: RE: what/love compilations???
> Perhaps you misunderstood the message.
> What I'm trying to say is that it would be nice for the KLF to come out with
> a new album.
Oh, jeez. It'd be real incredible if the KLF put out a new album,
considering that they broke up in May of 1992. Perhaps someone could mail
this man a clue?
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Fri, 25 Mar 1994 18:04:03 -0600 (CST)
I hardly think stating that KLF's lame attempts to keep a dead song alive
qualifies me as ignorant you mouth breathing feeb. I merely offered the
opinion that the KLF needed to do something new. As far as i have seen
or read, there has been nothing new offered either here, in catalogs, in
magazines, on new release lists, or on store shelves from here in the
boondocks to memphis, chicago, and atlanta...are you keeping the new KLF
album in your ass? if not then to my knowlegde, there is no new KLF
material to be had. if there is you could have quite simply informed me
of such material instead of failing miserably to make me appear stupid.
so without further ado, will you kindly step off. offer me something I
can use not your sniffling and petty loyalties to a group gone south
(KLF)...KLF is not Gods gift to trance anyway...
All I want to know is what they are doing NOW...i dont want to constantly
be seeing WHAT TIME IS LOVE everywhere I go...NEW...i want something NEW!!!!
and i just want to be loved...is that so wrong?
sincerely,
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---------From: Mike Van Horne <99419459@WSUVM1.CSC.WSU.EDU>
To: orbcentral
<klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Date:
Fri, 25 Mar 94 16:16:05 PST
Subject:
nitty gritty Orb video
Hi.
Did anybody order this video? The info was posted to the list last week, I
think. I'd like to order it, but I'm just wondering if the business is legit.
Send e-mail. Thanks.
Mike
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Fri, 25 Mar 1994 18:31:03 -0600 (CST)
Dear Asshole,
The practice of ridiculing those who happen to not know a bit of
information was in the past reserved for those currently enrolled in the
third grade. Are you in the third grade? Or are you just an asshole?
The case may be that we live in a place where the dissolution of the KLF
might just fail to make the evening news. We might be in the position
that might require us to look to handy sources such as this very mailing
list to get information concerning things like the dissolution of the KLF.
Let us pretend that you were a drooling slob of a dumb fuck...and
you didnt know something....would it be polite for me to encourage all
those that also use the list to "mail you a clue"? Or would it be kind
of me to call you ignorant? I think it would not be. I think it would
be fair to assume that elitism has very little place here, in this forum,
where we are supposedly all free to send and receive information
concerning a subject of common interest. If i came across a letter from
you, and you seemed not to know that the KLF had parted company...i would
be inclined to let you in on that bit of knowledge...it is bad enough to
have asked a question or made a statement that has no bearing sonce the
subject in question no longer exists...and it is much worse to have some
buffoon try to make a fool of you in front of a network full of readers.
So, you asshole, go to your room until you learn some manners.
And next time I make a stupid ass of myself, please dont point it out,
just correct me. Thank you,
jasonosaj.
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Subject: Re[2]: what/love compilations???
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jasonosaj.
Did we really need to see this whole thing? If you want to complain
about third grade, go right ahead, but may I critique the flame? It's
far more effective if you try to stay above their level.
stnk@maristb.bitnet
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William May <wmay@mercury.cs.trinity.edu>

Fri, 25 Mar 1994 19:11:41 -0600 (CST)

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this man a clue?
wow... why is everyone so hostile? maybe the klf just isn't this man's
entire life... all this snotty bile makes me nervous....
j. wombat
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Mike Van Horne <99419459@WSUVM1.CSC.WSU.EDU>
Fri, 25 Mar 1994 17:41:55 -0800
Re: nitty gritty Orb video
>Did anybody order this video? The info was posted to the list last week, I
>think. I'd like to order it, but I'm just wondering if the business is legit.
Actually, for the rest of the list's benefit, I bought this video. The
business is definitely legit and the turnaround time was really good. It
is interesting concert footage, but the volume is very low (which is not
such a bad thing if you can turn your volume up, since it eliminates
distortion, but my volume isn't working right).
And the nature of an Orb concert is that the light show is a significant
portion of the visuals. Strobes and the like don't seem to video well, and
I suspect it is due to the persistence of the video array thingy that
senses the light that comes through the lens of the camera. Anyway, it's
interesting, and might bring some fond memories back for anyone who was
actually there, but I think $50 is a bit much for it. I would have felt
good paying $20-25.
For what it's worth....
Don
donpierr@netcom.com
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CAPED CRUSADER <SO94014@GSVMS2.CC.GASOU.EDU>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Fri, 25 Mar 1994 20:45:02 -0500 (EST)
Funny. I was talking to someone else today about how the Internet has
become a real flame war with access becoming easier for real idiots to
get. Then I get this in my mail box.
>I hardly think stating that KLF's lame attempts to keep a dead song alive
Sorry, but this song has been "dead" for a very long time and no one, not
even the KLF are giving it life support. Most of those mixes were done
ages ago, sorry you weren't around at the time to hear them. I still like
the song. It's a classic. I had the original "Pure Trance" 12", I still
have the "America: What Time Is Love?"...just damn good music.
>qualifies me as ignorant you mouth breathing feeb. I merely offered the
No, I think you have qualified yourself as an idiot and done a bloody good
job of it too. You sound a tad ponce.
>opinion that the KLF needed to do something new. As far as i have seen
>or read, there has been nothing new offered either here, in catalogs, in
They are dead. Gone. The KLF has now left the building.
>magazines, on new release lists, or on store shelves from here in the
>boondocks to memphis, chicago, and atlanta...are you keeping the new KLF
>album in your ass? if not then to my knowlegde, there is no new KLF
Some knowledge.
>material to be had. if there is you could have quite simply informed me
>of such material instead of failing miserably to make me appear stupid.
Well, you sure do look stupid now!
>so without further ado, will you kindly step off. offer me something I
>can use not your sniffling and petty loyalties to a group gone south
>(KLF)...KLF is not Gods gift to trance anyway...
Where does he come up with this stuff?
>All I want to know is what they are doing NOW...i dont want to constantly
>be seeing WHAT TIME IS LOVE everywhere I go...NEW...i want something NEW!!!!
Well, that is what we have been discussing for quite some time now, don't
you know of the K Foundation? "K Cera Cera"? Um, the gag with the art and
the money? They've been up to a good bit, just not music. Hell, the KLF
is dead! Don't expect any music.
>and i just want to be loved...is that so wrong?
It will never happen acting like a total arse.
>sincerely,
>jasonosaj.
\/\/affle - still looking for intelligent life out there
so94014@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu
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jet@netcom.com (J. Eric Townsend)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Fri, 25 Mar 1994 17:57:12 -0800
ENOUGH FLAMING! (was RE: what/love compilations???
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The practice of ridiculing those who happen to not know a bit of
> information was in the past reserved for those currently enrolled in the
> third grade.
and USENET.
Can we please stop the flaming now? Your pathetic vitriol is no
better than anyone else's and just as annoying.
-jet@netcom.com -- J. Eric Townsend -- '92 R100R: "CLACKER"
"Who opens a school door, closes a prison." -- Victor Hugo
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David Royes <sci-djr1@jcu.edu.au>

Sat, 26 Mar 1994 11:51:24 +1000 (+1000)
The Black Room/K-Cera Cera
How's it going ?
I've just been watching this rather heated debated between
BROTHERAL. & the two Davids . D.'s, I think you'll that jasonasaj. was
actually actually making a joke in the original letter to OCA . I don't
see what the problem is and if B. wasn't aware that the KLF had
disbanded, then you should have e-mailed him direct to let him know the
deal, rather then letting the entire list become dragged down in a
private war ! If I was him I'd probably be pissed off, too (though I don't
agree with him about WTIL?) .
O.K. the real reason I've written to ask whether anyone has heard
or owns the (47,000 pound non-release) of the K-Foundation single K-Cera
Cera . (Oh no, yes it's that question again, sorry, but I have to ask it
since I can't get access to the ftp. archives (I'm running GOPHER 2.0) &
the uwp.edu archives no longer exist in GopherSpace .) And before you two
start, I know it was only available from NMC in Israel, wasn't allowed
to be exported outside the country etc. etc .
And what's the story on the Black Room ?
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To: David Eschatfische <2609COWEND@vmsf.csd.mu.edu>

Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 20:13:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: RE: what/love compilations???
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this man a clue?
What was their reason for breaking up? Were some of the members of the
group tired of remixing "What Time is Love"? Seroiusly, I've got nothing
against the group, but if they have enough talent to put out numerous
mixes of a song, surely they could have come out with new songs. I take
it "Last Train to Trancentral" was their last 12" dance track?
Dave
cdh1@ra.msstate.edu
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"He was a little dog named Snuckles." <STNK@maristb.marist.edu>,
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At 8:19 PM 3/25/94 -0500, He was a little dog named Snuckles. wrote:

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jasonosaj.
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>Did we really need to see this whole thing? If you want to complain
>about third grade, go right ahead, but may I critique the flame? It's
>far more effective if you try to stay above their level.
Shouldn't this be taken to private e-mail. I for one do
not read this list to hear evrybody else abuse each other
because they do/don't know something about the klf.
I am sure there are a number of other people
who feel the same.
Chris Fraser
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"Susan R. Kameny" <susie@sutro.SFSU.EDU>

Mike Van Horne <99419459@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu>
Fri, 25 Mar 1994 19:39:49 -0800 (PST)
Re: nitty gritty Orb video
i own this tape...and have owned it for a long time...i was at the sf
show so it brings back good memories...perpetual dawn and the last couple
tunes are really the best *visually* overall the sound is ok and the
video looks like it has been slowed down a bit *so when alex dances it
tooks totally funky* i have no clue why...??? the nity gritty people are
very nice and reliable...overall i think it has more emotional
value...but it is fun to pullout once in a while...susie(:
On Fri, 25 Mar 1994, Mike Van Horne wrote:
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Hi.
Did anybody order this video? The info was posted to the list last week, I
think. I'd like to order it, but I'm just wondering if the business is legit.
Send e-mail. Thanks.
Mike
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argon lazer battlegrid <ub141@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
Fri, 25 Mar 1994 21:47:54 -0600 (CST)
> Shouldn't this be taken to private e-mail. I for one do

> not read this list to hear evrybody else abuse each other
> because they do/don't know something about the klf.
I don't think so because if this were being mailed privately we couldn't get
other people into this arguement. :)
> I am sure there are a number of other people
> who feel the same.
If so, then you as well as the other people who do not like this, do what
I do...delete it. I'm deleting this one after I mail this response. :)
Dave
cdh1@ra.msstate.edu
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 21:51:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: This flamewar

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The case may be that we live in a place where the dissolution of the KLF
might just fail to make the evening news. We might be in the position
that might require us to look to handy sources such as this very mailing
list to get information concerning things like the dissolution of the KLF.
You'd be getting information instead of flames if you hadn't started

with a flame yourself.
> So, you asshole, go to your room until you learn some manners.
Sound advice. As admin of this list, I advise you to take it before you
have to look for another sandbox to shit in.
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"C. David Holloway" <cdh1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Fri, 25 Mar 1994 20:52:57 -0800
Flame War Etiquette (was: Re[2]:what/love compilations???)
>> Shouldn't this be taken to private e-mail. I for one do

>> not read this list to hear evrybody else abuse each other
>> because they do/don't know something about the klf.
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>I don't think so because if this were being mailed privately we couldn't get
>other people into this arguement. :)
I know you were just kidding, but seriously, I think your joke was very
revealing. I think that is actually the intent of a lot of people when
they flame to the whole mailing list. If we stop and think about it first,
what is going to be productive by exposing everyone to it? Except perhaps
to feed some insecure egos who want to feel like they've "won". In the
end, there are no winners, only hurt feelings and some foolish-looking
people.
>> I am sure there are a number of other people who feel the same.
And I am one of them.
>If so, then you as well as the other people who do not like this, do what
>I do...delete it. I'm deleting this one after I mail this response. :)
There are several reasons why this is just plain inconsiderate. Some
people have to pay for their access times. Also, the quality of some
people's user interfaces are poor, so they can't quickly delete a ton of
stuff.
However, my thoughts are as follows. When it turns into a flame-war, the
subject on the messages generally aren't changed by the flame-throwers.
Just the content of some of the messages in the thread changes. So if I'm
following a thread, I end up reading all this crap just to get to the
meaningful dialog that I subscribed to this list for in the first place.
There is a bad enough problem on the net of having to wade through a lot of
noise to get to the info we are interested in. Improved user interfaces
will help with a lot of it. But it won't help with people being
inconsiderate. We still have to rely on people assigning meaningful

subject headings to their messages. So if you absolutely *must* do a
public flame, at least change the subject so people can kill the new thread
if they find it offensive.
If you want to flame me for anything in this message, at least be
considerate of others and flame me directly in private e-mail. I think 90%
of flames happen only because people feel anonymous when posting to the
masses in "cyberspace". When you post privately, you know your mail will
be read by a single person, and will have some kind of emotional impact. I
believe there are some people who just don't think first before making a
public posting.
How can you help the situation? If I see a post that offends me and I
believe that it belongs in private e-mail, I send a *private* message to
the offender (and perhaps the person who they were posting to) asking them
*politely* to put their discussion into private e-mail. I've found that it
works wonders. If more and more people do this to help reinforce it, I
believe that cyberspace will be a better place for all of us. It's a new
realm and we all need to work together to encourage the types of societal
mores that we feel most comfortable with.
It's time to get off of my soapbox. (wow. this ended up a lot longer than
I intended.)
Don
donpierr@netcom.com
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Fri, 25 Mar 1994 22:00:18 -0700 (MST)
More Flames
> Seroiusly, I've got nothing against the group, but if they have enough
> talent to put out numerous mixes of a song, surely they could have come
> out with new songs.
"What Time Is Love" wasn't beaten into the ground by the band any more than
any of the other Pure Trance/Stadium House singles, it just happens to be
more widely available than the others because different versions have been
licensed by three different US labels (TVT, Wax Trax, and Arista).
> I take it "Last Train to Trancentral" was their last 12" dance track?
No, "America: What Time Is Love", "Justified And Ancient" and "It's Grim Up
North" all postdate it. The KLF/Extreme Noise Terror "3 a.m. Eternal" was
their last single as KLF.
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fuzzbox@world.std.com (Under The Pink)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (Orb/KLF/777 Mailing list )
Sat, 26 Mar 1994 01:13:27 -0500 (EST)
Mr Kool Ade and Marco? (Poss Orb Related..)
Anyone have any info on the band Mr. Kool Ade and Marco??
I just got a compilation disc called "LA Hardcore", and it
has a song by them called "I Need You" that uses 3 samples
that I've heard the Orb use quite constantly...
1. The "I need You" from Stacy Q's "Two Of Hearts"
2. The "All Right" from Jon St. James, song unknown..
(Both of the above feature prominently on one song on
the "LX Dee In Studio" bootleg tape..)
3. "Talk to Us from the Sea of Tranquility", from "Peace In the Middle
East", and others...
Could this be the dark alter-ego of the Orb? Drukman? you know them?
-Jason Bilsky- fuzzbox@world.std.com **AnnoyingBandNameSigAlert!**
CrimsOrBandOfSusanSigueSigueSputniKLFionAsiArtOfNoisE.G.DailYello
DaisyChainsaWettoNineInchNailSystemSeveNedsAtomicDustbiNewOrder
MoodswingSt.EtiennEnigmAdamskInSoConcreteBlondEnOrbital
ToriAmoSmithereenSarahBrightmaNirvana ...Oh, and Fuzzbox.....
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"Geoff D. Wessel" <weasel@chaos.bsu.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Fri, 25 Mar 1994 15:36:49 -0600
KLF Rarity! (well, kinda...)
Just thought I'd inform everyone of my newest KLF acquisition (of which there
are admittedly few...)
It's a 7" record (big hole and everything!) of "3AM Eternal" which used to be
in a jukebox at some bar along with a shitload of country and classic RAWK!
singles that were slated for meltdown, but my friend got a crack at going
through them and decided to save this one for me...
I even have the "tag" from the jukebox...really!
btw here's info. for Lazlo's sake ;)
The KLF
Arista Records AS-2230
"3AM Eternal (Live at the SSL)"
3:36
"3AM Eternal (Guns of Mu Mu)"
3:34
I realize that everybody and their mother has this single, but it's in the FORMAT that it is that makes this somewhat of a rarity....
Just thought I'd share it with y'all....
--- We@sel
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"Geoff D. Wessel" <weasel@chaos.bsu.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Fri, 25 Mar 1994 15:38:13 -0600
ATTN! Groovy Dave!
I lost your EMail address and wanted to know how that SPACE tape was coming
along....I've ALMOST completed mine....
(sorry for wasting bandwidth, guys...)
--- We@sel
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sanpiero@aol.com
klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Sat, 26 Mar 94 08:07:47 EST
Bastardmusik??
I came across a couple of new KLF items today that I haven't seen on the
discography and want comments:
Brilliant -- "all I wanna do" (CD5)
Brilliant -- "How does it feel" (CD5)
>>Tell me these are THE Brilliant (featuring Jimmy Cauty and managed by Bill
Drummond) --- What album are these taken from?
The JAMS "BastardMusik" -- Import from Holland!!!
>>What's on it? Is this a "Burn the Bastards" Holland-Style??
I also found Bill Drummond's "The Man", which IS on the discography. Looking
for an armchair review...........
Thanks...............................
Date:
Sat, 26 Mar 94 09:52:34 EST
Subject: Re: The Black Room/K-Cera Cera
>
O.K. the real reason I've written to ask whether anyone has heard
>or owns the (47,000 pound non-release) of the K-Foundation single K-Cera
>Cera .
it
Yes, I own a copy of the CD. It's....well, it's not your typical KLF
song. I've been offering to dub it for anyone who wants to hear it.
<hint hint>. Write me back if you want details.
>start, I know it was only available from NMC in Israel, wasn't allowed
>to be exported outside the country etc. etc .
Rules were made to be broken, eh? ;)
>
And what's the story on the Black Room ?
If only we knew.... :(
stnk@maristb.bitnet
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"Trancentral (KLF mailing list)" <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Sun, 27 Mar 1994 14:54:45 +1000 (+1000)
Re: The Black Room/K-Cera Cera
Thanks for the reply !

Thanks for the offers of copying the K. Cera Cera single, but Ran A.
Mano <ramano@artsci.wustl.edu> has beaten you to it .
There was a fair bit of talk about someone with a copy of The
Black Room yesterday, but unfortunately it was mixed up with the flamewar between BROTHERAL. and the two Davids, and I've deleted them . Any
news anybody ? (Sorry for wasting bandwidth, too.)
Thanks again,
James (Dean) Cook University, Townsville, Queensland, Australia
(23's are everywhere !!!)
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STNK@MARISTB.MARIST.EDU (He was a little dog named Snuckles.)
Sun, 27 Mar 94 18:46:29 EST
Hi folks,
M> >is the KLF dead or something????
[he who wrote this listens to nothing else except for the Top 40]
M> Erm, well,... yes, they're dead. Disbanded 5/5/92, or thereabouts.
hmm...makes me wonder. 5/5/92... I actually would have expected 5/23/92 or
something jolly KLFish like that. How did they pick their day? Get up on the
wrong side of bed one day?
M> This brings up a question. Laz, if you're still doing a FAQ, does
M> it have a timeline/history thingy? If not, want me to write one?
Shhh! There's that word again..... FAQ . . .
;-)
M> >a new album even...

M>
M> Does anyone want to aks the obligatory Black Room bootleg question? ;)
Well, it fooled the Japanese.
(they had a release code for it!)
-Mario Moeller | moeller@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au | University of Melbourne
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Sun, 27 Mar 94 18:48:33 EST

> What I'm trying to say is that it would be nice for the KLF to come out wit
> a new album.
this man a clue?
I demand he be sent: 3 AM Eternal - Rankin' Club Version!

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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Sun, 27 Mar 1994 15:59:43 +0100 (BST)
Aubrey in the UK (and other stuff)
Several people have suggested that the Aubrey mixes have been reissued
in the UK. It certainly doesn't seem to be around the regular shops at
the moment.
Anyway, I did pick up a copy at the local record fair yesterday (for 10
quid) and I have no idea whether it is a reissue or not. All the dates
say 1991. Do you it might be another Big Life identical to the original
reissue?
The guy also had a copy of the YMO Tong Poo remixes for 14 quid. I gave
that a miss. HMV (a regular shop) also had Technodon Remixes II, but
they wanted 29.99 for that!
Which of these (if any) are worth getting?
Thanks for your time,
Mark
-Mark Dobie

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Andrew Stephen Whittle <asw2@aber.ac.uk>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us, asw2@aber.ac.uk
Sun, 27 Mar 1994 16:59:16 +0000
Re: Re: Aubrey in the UK (and other stuff)
you guys over the water in the Us. of A. keep saying that the Aubrey mixes
are to be re-released. Is this to happen in good ol' England?
here in Britain, we have had re-released LFC and Perpetual Dawn.
I can get my mitts on the two re-mix 12"'s...are they worth buying?
summat about Orb in Dub!
Is the GEEP track worth it? and what's it on? The name of the techno album
that is?
ANd finally when (WHEN????) is the new ORB single coming out?
some say next week
other s say in a month.
even next week is too long.
and amw3 @ aber --- tony I SHALL have some blank tapes winging your way
next term
ok?
over and out
ANdy
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Orpheus23 <orpheus@knuth.mtsu.edu>
Andrew Stephen Whittle <asw2@ABER.AC.UK>
Sun, 27 Mar 1994 11:54:02 -0500 (CDT)
On Sun, 27 Mar 1994, Andrew Stephen Whittle wrote:

> ANd finally when (WHEN????) is the new ORB single coming out?
> some say next week
> other s say in a month.
>
Watts Music informs me that preorders were due in on the 28th of
this month and the street date on Pommes Fritz (or whatever) is the 4th
of April . . . However, Watts has been wrong before. Remember that
single of the Hawkwind track that was due to be released last xmas? We
pre-ordered that one, and had to settle for credit . . .
Orpheus 23 - orpheus@knuth.mtsu.edu
1701 Beechwood Ave.
Nashville, TN 37212-5501
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Sun, 27 Mar 1994 13:04:22 -0800 (PST)
On Sun, 27 Mar 1994, Mars wrote:

> M> > Perhaps you misunderstood the message.
> M> > What I'm trying to say is that it would be nice for the KLF to come out w
ith
> M> > a new album.
> M>
> M>
> M> considering that they broke up in May of 1992. Perhaps someone could mail
> M> this man a clue?
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> I demand he be sent: 3 AM Eternal - Rankin' Club Version!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why? Did i miss something here? Just wondering what was meant by that...
kelp.
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Sun, 27 Mar 94 21:52:34 EST
Chaos Control update
I've just started up a mailing list to send out all of the Chaos Control
articles as text files by email.
To subscribe, send mail to
Majordomo@world.std.com
with "subscribe chaoscontrol" as the message.
Issue #7 of the Hypercard version will be about April 10 and includes
interviews with The Orb, Autechre, P909, The Other Two, Spice Lab, DDT and
more. All of these articles will be sent out over the list in a few says. To
get past Hypercard issues, ftp cyberden.com (directory Zines/Chaos_Control)
Feel free to email for more info.
-Bob Gourley
rsgour@aol.com
Rgour@world.std.com
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 28 Mar 94 08:26:56 +0200
KLF?!?
I subscribed to the list on Friday. I came in to work to find several

messages consisting of people slagging each other off. No wonder KLF
decided to bow out if you lot representative of their audience...
I'll stick with the music...
Uncle Dave
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Sun, 27 Mar 1994 23:35:03 -0800
FOR SALE: Orb CDs and 12"
I'm selling the following, all by the Orb:

Wau! Mr. Modo Apollo 11 - Apollo XI "Peace In the Middle East" 12" (UK) (Rare!)
Big Life 865 139-1 - Little Fluffy Clouds 12" (US 12")
Cumulonimbus mix (6:10)
Dis joint don't argue mix (6:38) (only available on this release)
Dance mk mix I edit (3:59)
Inner master mis (3:58)
Outlands (fountain of elisha mix) 8:00
Big Life BLRDA 81 - Assassin (UK version) CD

Big Life BLRDB 81 - Assassin 3 (UK version) CD
Strange Fruit DE18119-2 - Peel Sessions (US version) CD
Big Life BLR CD 5 - Adventures... (Original UK 2-CD)
I'll sell them together or separately. E-mail me directly if you're interested.
Don
donpierr@netcom.com
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 28 Mar 94 10:25:50 BST
> Is the GEEP track worth it? and what's it on? The name of the techno album
> that is?
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The name of the album is Electronica 2.
Pete..
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"ALBERT T. ALLIGATOR" <pink@maple.circa.ufl.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Sun, 27 Mar 1994 23:05:52 EDT
Brilliant 12" and unrelated stuff
I found a Brilliant 12" the other day, and thought it might be something
you'd want to put in the discography. Here's the info:
Brilliant 'Somebody' Atlantic 0-86771 1986 33.3 rpm
Somebody (Vocal/New Extended Mix) 6:37
Somebody (New Dub Mix) 5:30
The Red, Red Groovy (Instrumental)5:00
Editorial comment--This is really bad music. Why are these people now famous?
This group is definately less than the sum of its parts. End editorial.
Now that there is a US release of Adventures that matches the original UK
version, does that mean our edited, chopped, remixed versions will someday
be valuable? Can we hope that this will make up for having to buy import
copies at ridiculous prices? Maybe?
Has anyone noticed that the LFC Ambient Mk 1 on the LFC UK single is not the
same as the LFC Ambient Mix Mk 1 on the Give Peace a Dance Compilation. I
guess the word 'Mix' makes all the difference in the world.
And last, but not least, could the person who knew the makers of the Jamms
1987 CD give me a buzz. I'm too lazy to go lookin through the back issues to
try and find out who it was. I just want to find out if a theory of mine
concerning that release and another release of quasi-legality is true.
Thanks for playing,
ernie
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To: etlprnw@ETLXD20.ERICSSON.SE (peter new xd/gke x.4621 ) (peter new xd/gk
e x.4621)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 94 13:35:57 BST
Subject: Re: Re: Aubrey in the UK (and other stuff)
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The name of the album is Electronica 2.
Pete..
Here are the details for the 'Geep' track (I bought it today, but I haven't
listened to it yet...
'New Electronica: Global Technological Innovations: Unreleased - 1'
Catalogue Number: elec 4cd
Track 4: the geep - the geep [goddess of my soul mix]
writer and producer unknown
As I said, I haven't yet heard it, so I can't tell you all what it's like - but
it's NEW Orb!!! Yippeee!!!!!
Regards,
Nick
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Mon, 28 Mar 1994 09:15:40 -0700 (MST)
Mr Kool Ade and Marco? (Poss Orb Related..)
> Anyone have any info on the band Mr. Kool Ade and Marco??
> Could this be the dark alter-ego of the Orb? Drukman? you know them?
They played the night of Progeny 1.0 in the Spruce Goose hangar in LA. From
what I gathered, the locals are rather sick of them and they aren't anything
but local. They played average techno that night, but it was over two years
ago, so I don't remember the details. I believe Kool Aid DJ's as well.
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Mon, 28 Mar 1994 12:32:59 -0700 (MST)
Aubrey in the UK (and other stuff)
> Several people have suggested that the Aubrey mixes have been reissued
> in the UK.
Quite a few UK-release copies surfaced in the US a couple of months back,
which made me assume (maybe wrongly) that there was a quiet reissue from
Big Life. Big Life haven't changed the copyright dates on any of the
reissues anyway, so dates aren't going to give you any clue about whether
a given copy is old or new.
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Mon, 28 Mar 1994 12:34:48 -0700 (MST)
KLF?!?
> I subscribed to the list on Friday. I came in to work to find several

> messages consisting of people slagging each other off. No wonder KLF
> decided to bow out if you lot representative of their audience...
Thanks for assuming that 250+ people ("you lot") are jerks based on the
postings of two or three.
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Kirk Thompson - SHTM/F93 <kthompso@acs.ryerson.ca>

Lazlo Nibble <lazlo@CARINA.UNM.EDU>
Mon, 28 Mar 1994 15:44:42 -0500 (EST)
Re: KLF?!?
On Mon, 28 Mar 1994, Lazlo Nibble wrote:

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To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (Paterson)

Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 13:59:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: KLF?!?
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Ya, Fuck You!!
I've been a subscriber of the list for a few months now. I came in to
school to find a message consisting of a person slagging off the moderator
of this list for pointing out that the person is a simpleton. No wonder
KLF decided to bow out if that person is representative of their audience.
Dave
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donpierr@netcom.com (Don Gray), klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 28 Mar 1994 13:10:03 -0800
Re: FOR SALE: Orb CDs and 12"
At 11:35 PM 3/27/94 -0800, Don Gray wrote:

>I'm selling the following, all by the Orb:
>
>Big Life BLRDA 81 - Assassin (UK version) CD
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>Big Life BLRDB 81 - Assassin 3 (UK version) CD
Any offers on this so far? What are you asking?
Chris Fraser
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Re: Aubrey in the UK (and other stuff)
> Several people have suggested that the Aubrey mixes have been reissued
> in the UK.
Quite a few UK-release copies surfaced in the US a couple of months back,
which made me assume (maybe wrongly) that there was a quiet reissue from
Big Life.
There was. At least, that's how distributors described it to the stores

that were offered the discs.
> Big Life haven't changed the copyright dates on any of the
> reissues anyway, so dates aren't going to give you any clue about whether
> a given copy is old or new.
Could someone with a recently-purchased UK Aubrey mixes CD and someone
with an original UK Aubrey mixes CD please email me with the details
of the matrix numbers near the inner ring of the disc?
Mike
Mike J. Brown
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Date:
Mon, 28 Mar 1994 17:56:08 EDT
Subject:
Please, Everybody - Stop.
Trancentrites!
What's going on here? Since when are we a bunch of bitter, snapping
individuals, bent on tossing insult after insult to whoever says
something that is considered stupid by someone else? This is a
DISCUSSION list, not net-a-flame! Welcome and embrace new members of
the list, regardless of whether or not they know the KLF has broken
up - educate them! Don't berate people because they aren't
accomplished repositories of musical knowledge - why do you think
they came here? To learn! And to those who are frustrated by the
attitudes of some people on the list, don't resort to pathetic little
'fuck you's. Write an intelligent message to Lazlo, and tell him what
your problem is. If you act maturely, you'll be treated maturely.
But to the others who are slowly turning this list into a closed,
private experts club - please, let's treat each other like human
beings and get to the important things! This is a list for discussion
of music, not dispersal of hate notes. If Alex and Kris ever
'infiltrate' our global version of Trancentral, as Alex alluded
to in that article, would we want them to see this ridiculous mess?
Stephen Reese
94/03/28
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To: SREESE@CALUMET.YORKU.CA (Stephen Reese)

Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 15:16:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Please, Everybody - Stop.
The world according to Stephen Reese:
>
>What's going on here? Since when are we a bunch of bitter, snapping
>individuals, bent on tossing insult after insult to whoever says
>something that is considered stupid by someone else? This is a
>DISCUSSION list, not net-a-flame! Welcome and embrace new members of
>the list, regardless of whether or not they know the KLF has broken
>up - educate them! Don't berate people because they aren't
>accomplished repositories of musical knowledge - why do you think
>they came here? To learn!
As you pointed out, this is a discussion list. It's not Sesame Street.
I'm not here to teach anyone anything, I'm here to talk about the KLF
and the Orb. If people want to learn about these groups, there is a ton
of information available via FTP at asylum.sf.ca.us. Unless the list
"welcome" message has changed since the last time I saw it, new members
are strongly engouraged to familiarize themselves with the files at
the FTP site. If they don't it's their own problem. There's no excuse
for not knowing that the KLF left the music business, to cite a recent
example.
C.
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fms@MIT.EDU
klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 28 Mar 94 18:27:21 EST
Hmm, what a tired subject line. Anyway, two weeks ago on my radio show
techno for tyros (monday nights at 12:30 on 88.1 in cambridge)
i was in a weird mood so i played every remix i could find of little
fluffy clouds back to back (mixing them together with the intent of
it sounding like one repetitious 40 minute or so version).
the next week i got a call by a person requesting the song lfc and saying
that he had heard the endless remix and enjoyed it!
just a fun anecdote...
[fletcher]
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"Chris.Hilker" <cspot@NETCOM.COM>
Mon, 28 Mar 1994 18:05:40 -0600 (CST)
Re: Please, Everybody - Stop.
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> As you pointed out, this is a discussion list. It's not Sesame Street.
> I'm not here to teach anyone anything, I'm here to talk about the KLF
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and the Orb. If people want to learn about these groups, there is a ton
of information available via FTP at asylum.sf.ca.us. Unless the list
"welcome" message has changed since the last time I saw it, new members
are strongly engouraged to familiarize themselves with the files at
the FTP site. If they don't it's their own problem. There's no excuse
for not knowing that the KLF left the music business, to cite a recent
example.
Oh, I think there is an excuse. Last time I checked, the KLF was from
the UK. And there is a delay on releasing music from there to here (in the
USA) and vice versa. I think the KLF is okay and I like a few of their
songs, but they sure as %^&* don't make Dave's top 10 techno artists list.
Because I don't think their _that_ good, I don't follow them like I do
other groups, such as The Shamen and Orbital. And if anyone had any
questions or needed information about The KLF, The Orb, or any other group,
if I knew it would help, I would respond to it
Dave
cdh1@ra.msstate.edu
...but you can call him DJ Dave.
...or you can call him Dave the Rave.
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Groovy Dave the Sex Poodle <camde933@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu>

fms@MIT.EDU
Mon, 28 Mar 1994 16:17:12 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Little Fluffy Clouds

fluffy clouds back to back [more stuff deleted]
Probably a loony! In fact, you're probably a loony! 8-)

<sorry, couldn't resist.> 40 minutes of LFC? Wow...it could MAKE you loony!
Groovy Dave
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Mon, 28 Mar 1994 18:14:00 -0600 (CST)
K Cera Cera [war is over if you want it]
It aint over yet folks!

I received TODAY *another* copy of the wonderful Israeli import,
K Cera Cera. My grandfather, a man with more conections than anyone in
Israel, has secured yet another copy.
Now its back from the dead, K Cera Cera: the Auction, Part II
Send bids to me, Ran
I'm looking for 3 digit numbers here folks, the last one sold for
that much. If I get enough money I'll hammer it a wall and call in the
local papers. Then again, I might start paying off my student laons.
BTW, if you have uncontrolable urge to condem, critize, damn, pass
judgment, excommunicate, main, or somehow dismember me please do so in

private mail.
remember to think happy thoughts and bid high.
BTW
You faithful cyber-slut,
Ran
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Mon, 28 Mar 1994 18:45:01 -0600 (CST)
RE: Please, Everybody - Stop.
I suppose I started the bloody flame war, so I suppose I'll end it.
> Oh, I think there is an excuse. Last time I checked, the KLF was
> from the UK. And there is a delay on releasing music from there to here
> (in the USA) and vice versa.
But how does this account for you not knowing they've broken up? It's
been common knowledge on this list, and is mentioned quite often. It has
nothing at all to do with the fact that the KLF is a European act...I
learned the KLF had broken up the day after it happened on American MTV,
back in 1992, courtesy of Kurt Loder.
My point is clear: don't flame unless you know what you are talking
about. Someone slagging the KLF because "They haven't put out anything
in a long time" when it is common knowledge they've broken up is
ridiculous. Basically, the message is: if you don't know what you're
talking about, don't post. And, you won't get flamed.
I don't apologize for my brief, pertinent flames -- but I do think
the ensuing war has been ridiculous, and I apologize for starting that.
Now let's keep on topic: KLF/Orb related acts.
Date:
Mon, 28 Mar 94 20:41:43 EST
Subject: Re: The Recent Flamewar
Time for me to put in my two cents (or pence or whatever your local
equivalent is.)
>Oh, I think there is an excuse. Last time I checked, the KLF was from
>the UK. And there is a delay on releasing music from there to here (in the
>USA) and vice versa.
But can you seriously expect that a band that released 5 albums in 5
years, along with about a single each year that wasn't on any of the
albums (Kylie Said To Jason, Doctorin' The Tardis and It's Grim Up
North) along with a seemingly infinite number of remixes of one song,
then mysteriously stopped doing ANYTHING two years ago is still around
today? (Follow the grammar, diagram if necessarry, I know it's awkward,

but it does make a point.) More importantly, the welcome to Trancentral
message points you towards informational files at the aformentioned FTP
site. There you will find the KLF discography, along with Culfinion's
NewsLetters, along with the InfoSheets from KLF COMMS, along with my
script. All mention the demise of the KLF. (Or should, if the collection
is complete, I haven't looked in a while.) With the exception of one
single (Kylie Said To Jason) all the KLF catalog has been issued in some
form here in America. Maybe not the exact same mixes, but the point is:
every UK KLF single (except Kylie) and every UK KLF album has been put
out by the folks at Arista, TVT or Wax Trax!. Just because you were too
lazy to read the introductory message is no excuse.
>And if anyone had any
>questions or needed information about The KLF, The Orb, or any other group,
>if I knew it would help, I would respond to it
Agreed, a certain response you got was inappropriate. However, it
somewhat expected that you check the information available before
post questions like this. If you can't do this, then you can wait
you see an address, and ask that person quietly (ie private mail)
folks on the list are more than happy to help out.
is
you
until
Most
Sorry to have had to do all that, but I had to express myself.

Now, for those of you who have bothered to wade through all that, can
you answer a question for me? I've seen lots of messages cross my screen
about how people sold a K Cera Cera disc for 3 digits and others saying
they've seen ads for it in record magazines for 70 pounds. Just what is
the going rate for one of these, anyways? Not that I'll sell mine, I
bought it for the music (and for that, I dunno, I think I paid too much)
but it's nice to know such things anyways. Thanks...
stnk@maristb.bitnet
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BRADY_DAVID@tandem.com
fms@mit.edu
28 Mar 94 16:41:00 +1600
I did the same thing on my show about 5 months ago. Except I used Last Train to
Trancentral. Started with a similiar sounding track on Chill Out, went into the
Mu-D speed version, followed by 5 others and ended with the U.S. White Room
version. Clocked in at around 28 minutes and sounded great.
I got quite a few calls during and after the 'mix' - they had no idea that all
of the music was from the same group/song...
------------ ORIGINAL ATTACHMENT -------SENT 03-28-94 FROM SMTPGATE (fms@mit.edu)
Hmm, what a tired subject line. Anyway, two weeks ago on my radio show
techno for tyros (monday nights at 12:30 on 88.1 in cambridge)
fluffy clouds back to back (mixing them together with the intent of
it sounding like one repetitious 40 minute or so version).
just a fun anecdote...
[fletcher]
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abennett@phoenix.aps.muohio.edu (Andrew Bennett)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (Orb List)
Mon, 28 Mar 1994 22:01:42 -0500 (EST)
Re: Orb discovery
Apollo says of Readymade:

> For those who are unfamiliar with this record (like I was until
> today), readymade is comprised of Thomas Felman of Sun Electric and
> Alex Patterson of the Orb.
Hmmm... You sure Patterson is considered part of Readymade?
I've checked my collection, and came up with the 1989 Teutonic Beats cd,
and Trance Europe Express, and both list Readymade as just Fehlmann.
Hmmm... Anyone?
Andrew
-Andrew Bennett
abennett@phoenix.aps.muohio.edu
"You're from Texas? That's beautiful."
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Stop. Everybody stop. That means exactly that. I consider tons of people
putting their .02 cents in continuing the thread.
Don't reply, don't do anything. Talk KFL, err . . KLF!
Why sheep?
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Mon, 28 Mar 1994 22:42:59 -0600 (CST)
Re: The Recent Flamewar
> But can you seriously expect that a band that released 5 albums in 5
> years, along with about a single each year that wasn't on any of the
> albums (Kylie Said To Jason, Doctorin' The Tardis and It's Grim Up
> North) along with a seemingly infinite number of remixes of one song,
> then mysteriously stopped doing ANYTHING two years ago is still around
> today?
First off, let me say that I jumped into this to defend a friend of mine
who goes by the alias of "Brother Alphabet". It appears that most of
these responses are (publically) coming to me. I'm not complaining, bring
them on, more chaos -> utter disorder and confusion :)
(In response)
Don't know I've only seen 3 albums and I don't count one of them because
Chill Out seems like a remix of the The White Room. And I've only
seen these 3 at Tower Records (a ligitimate record store in the US).
(Follow the
grammar, diagram if necessarry, I know it's awkward,
> but it does make a point.) More importantly, the welcome to Trancentral
> message points you towards informational files at the aformentioned FTP
> site. There you will find the KLF discography, along with Culfinion's
> NewsLetters, along with the InfoSheets from KLF COMMS, along with my
> script. All mention the demise of the KLF. (Or should, if the collection
> is complete, I haven't looked in a while.) With the exception of one
> single (Kylie Said To Jason) all the KLF catalog has been issued in some
> form here in America. Maybe not the exact same mixes, but the point is:
> every UK KLF single (except Kylie) and every UK KLF album has been put
> out by the folks at Arista, TVT or Wax Trax!. Just because you were too
> lazy to read the introductory message is no excuse.
It's not that I'm lazy. I just don't feel like it! The KLF put out some
good tracks back in the day, then they began to beat a dead horse. I'm
not a bit surprised that they broke up. I would leave a group too if its
members told me we were going to remix a certain song over and over and
over and over... Once again, I say that I think thay were good but not
great; hence I never kept up with them. As far a Brother Alphabet is
concerned with them, well, I'll let him respond to that.
> Agreed, a certain response you got was inappropriate. However, it is
> somewhat expected that you check the information available before you
> post questions like this.
What questions?
> Sorry to have had to do all that, but I had to express myself.
Like I said, bring them on. CHAOS on the Net :)
Dave
cdh1@ra.msstate.edu
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moeller@MUNDIL.CS.MU.OZ.AU (Mars)
Mon, 28 Mar 1994 23:59:27 -0500 (EST)
Just got some press releases
Hello,
I just received some press release sheets (well xerox's of them
anyway), so I thought I'd share them with you. Here is the one for
America:WTIL, and I'll type up the other ones when I have the time.
Howard
JAMerica: 1000 YEARS IN THE MAKING... The KLF make a voyage of
rediscovery-and remake a voyage of discovery!
...What a disappointment it must have been to Columbus. Imagine
setting out to discover the land of the free and the home of the brave
in 1492, only to find it firmly settled by the Justified Ancestors of
Mu Mu who had arrived 500 years before Chris on a reconnaisance trip
from the planet Trancentral. How beastly for him, but how fortunate
for us earthlings...
A further 500 years thence, the sons of the sons of the pioneers of
space and time transmu-mutation pay tribute to their forbearers in
song, with a sound that is as wide and broad as its galaxy of origin.
King Boy D and Rockman Rock have straped on their personalized
electronic music simulation devices and now once again burst forth
with this double headed salute to the country that has given us Mister
Ed, Barbie, Golden Grahams, The New Kids On the Block and so many
other cultural indispensibles...
"America: What Time Is Love?" and it's below-deck companion piece
"America: No More" roar in with the pinpoint accuracy of an Oswald
gunshot on a hot Dallas afternoon. Their effect on your musical
consciousness will prove to be as lethal, and as final.
Ther is no further time to waste any further time because now it IS
time...
AMERICA - WHAT TIME IS LOVE? & AMERICA NO MORE...
There is no time like the present. There is no present like the future.
There is no future...
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> I've only seen 3 albums and I don't count one of them because Chill Out
> seems like a remix of the The White Room.
Chill Out shares some themes with side two of The White Room, but came out
over a year earlier.
>> Just because you were too lazy to read the introductory message is no
>> excuse.
>
> It's not that I'm lazy. I just don't feel like it!
If you don't care about the band, why are you putting your two cents in?
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Groovy Dave the Sex Poodle <camde933@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu>

Mon, 28 Mar 1994 21:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
[blah blah blah]

> It's not that I'm lazy. I just don't feel like it! The KLF put out some
> good tracks back in the day, then they began to beat a dead horse. I'm
Actually, it was a dead sheep.
Ever helpful,
Groovy Dave the Disco Queen
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Re: Orb discovery
> Apollo says of Readymade:

>
> > For those who are unfamiliar with this record (like I was until
> > today), readymade is comprised of Thomas Felman of Sun Electric and
> > Alex Patterson of the Orb.
>
> Hmmm... You sure Patterson is considered part of Readymade?
>
> I've checked my collection, and came up with the 1989 Teutonic Beats cd,
> and Trance Europe Express, and both list Readymade as just Fehlmann.
> Hmmm... Anyone?
>
>
> Andrew
> -You may be right....upon closer scrutiny of the sleeve
(Readymade/UROBeats), I discovered the following line:
"produced and performed by thomas fehlman except 2.5 with dr. alex
patterson the orb dj. recorded at lab studio berlin 1990"
The sleeve is printed as such that the text is difficult to read,
even near invisible. upon a second listen, I discovered numerous
other orb-used samples. Maybe Alex got them from Fehlman (or maybe
he was just inspired!!). So it seems from the credits that the last
track (which is an ambient bit) was LX's doing, and the rest was up
to Fehlman (of course Patterson didn't get credit for Chill Out,
either!!)
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Tue, 29 Mar 94 08:42:35 +0200
Re: Please, Everybody - Stop.
> If people want to learn about these groups, there is a ton

> of information available via FTP at asylum.sf.ca.us.
Ah yes, but some of us work in commercial establishments where
you're unlikely to be able to get permission to FTP...
Anyway, I never saw an FAQ for this group anywhere - maybe that
should be pushed around a bit more. For my part, I am interested
to learn something more about a fascinating group whose music I
like. I'm not at all interested in the colour of their underpants
so on and so forth but I've always been drawn towards the wierd
being horribly normal myself...
Maybe with 250+ subscribers you should split the group. Errrm,
klf.sensible&polite and klf.loony.fringe spring to mind... Mind
you have that mix with most "fan" type groups, I think
those of you who live eat and breathe KLF have to make allowances
for the rest. Like me. If you don't - no problem to me. I'll
be off.
[I asked to be unbsubscribed from this list but it hasn't happened.
Good - looks like it could be interesting after all.}
So, what's "KLF" then?
Uncle Dave
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Kirk Thompson - SHTM/F93 <kthompso@ACS.RYERSON.CA>
Tue, 29 Mar 94 08:29:56 +0200
Re: KLF?!?

Ya, Fuck You!!

Look, if you've got something to say. Say it. Don't beat about
the bush.
I accept totally that it would be wrong to "judge" a list on the
basis that Lazlo describes. OK, I was wrong there are just a
couple of jerks plus Kirk. Who, from the address, is probably
in California and therefore not to be taken seriously anyway. ;-)
Hey - I'm really not interested in WWIII OK? I just found myself
wading through message after message of the kind of shit that is
a waste of time and space.
Goodbye America, we LURV you...
Uncle Dave
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Orbital
David Holloway wrote:
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>
Because I don't think their _that_ good, I don't follow them like I do
other groups, such as The Shamen and Orbital. And if anyone had any
questions or needed information about The KLF, The Orb, or any other group,
if I knew it would help, I would respond to it
Ok, I'd like to know the name of the Orbital track used to in the MTV clip
to advertise its show 'Chill-Out Zone' (which isn't very good by-the-way).
smc /
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Re: KLF?!?
Thats just as fair an assumption as the one where I was assumed

"ignorant" and "idiot" and "clueless" as a result of not knowing that the
klf was no more...is it not?
jasonosaj.
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Geep track
Hi,
Well, I've listened to the aforementioned track, and it sounds, well,
ambient......!!! - I don't know how else to describe it (it certainly doesn't
sound similar to their old stuff - probably a good thing). IMHO, it's not one of
their better chill-out tracks, but it'll probably grow on me. Anyhow, it
doesn't matter, because the rest of the album is just as good.
BTW, I heard the '777' album last night - wonderful!! I was fairly disappointed
with 'Strange Quotations', though, because the Mixmag Orb mix is much better (a
lot more dub and a constant sample of a female voice saying 'ecstasy' - just
that)!
I also heard the Suzuki Satellite single last night (the trans asian express
mix) - I do hope this gets a full CD release (I know a version is on a Japanese
import CD, but that is currently out of my price range - is it still available)?
Orbient and out,
Nick
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"S. Chambers Data Processing Division" <SCHAMBER%ESOC.BITNET@VM.GMD.DE>
Tue, 29 Mar 1994 02:58:16 -0600 (CST)
Re: Orbital
I think anyone who doesnt know the name of the Orbital track on the MTV
thingamajig is ig-nernt...
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Tue, 29 Mar 94 9:56:05 BST
Nailed To The Wall?
Hi,
Just finished sending the last message, when it suddenly occurred to me - when
is the K-Foundation's 'Nailed To The Wall' exhibition going to happen? Has
anyone had any press releases yet?
Also, what's happening to

and are there promo/vinyl
only Orb release I missed
'The Kiss EP' and 'Loving
aarrgghhhh)!!!
the 'Huge Ever Brain' reissue in US? Is it out yet,

copies coming out as well as CD versions? It's the
out on (my friend introduced me back in '88/'89 with
You', but I foolishly never bought either of them -
Regards,
Nick
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Subject:
Re: Orbital
ALPHABET SOUP wrote in response to my query:
> I think anyone who doesnt know the name of the Orbital track on the MTV
> thingamajig is ig-nernt...
>
So, taking into the account the cloth-headed postings of yesterday, may
I just ask you netters to judge, who is the most ignorant He whom asks the question, or the arse who can't answer it properly
and insults people too easily.
Thank you.
smc /
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Re: Orbital
OOOOOPS...sorry...i thought that was how we were supposed to treat those

who dont know something...hmmmm...
i guess it only works one way...
interesting...
cloth head...thats neat....
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Tue, 29 Mar 94 9:56:05 BST
Nailed To The Wall?
Hi,
Just finished sending the last message, when it suddenly occurred to me - when
is the K-Foundation's 'Nailed To The Wall' exhibition going to happen? Has
anyone had any press releases yet?
Also, what's happening to
and are there promo/vinyl
only Orb release I missed
'The Kiss EP' and 'Loving
aarrgghhhh)!!!
the 'Huge Ever Brain' reissue in US? Is it out yet,

copies coming out as well as CD versions? It's the
out on (my friend introduced me back in '88/'89 with
You', but I foolishly never bought either of them -
Regards,
Nick
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Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:11:15 BST
I'm
over and over...
Just out of curiosity, how many of the versions of WTIL? have you heard?
There's a VAST difference between many of them, they were aimed at different
markets at different times over a 4 year period ... what's wrong with that?
The current British Number One is "Doop" by Doop ... this revives the
Charlston from the 30s (?), and I'd imagine it isn't the first time its
happened since then.
If someone likes the song a lot, then they have plenty of versions to pick
from, or to collect wholesale. But you don't HAVE to buy, you don't HAVE to
listen. If you don't approve of multimixes of a tune, ignore them.
Anyway, I'm bored of this ...
Culf.
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> (of course Patterson didn't get credit for Chill Out,
> either!!)
Then again, there's a certain amount of confusion about how much of Alex there
is in their ... he says it was lots of him, the KLF say it wasn't <shrug>.
Culf.
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B R O T H E R A L P H A B E T <jah10@ra.msstate.edu>
Tue, 29 Mar 1994 13:22:59 +0100

Yes. Where have you been....? ;-)
(They split up, they said they weren't gonna record any more music,
and they deleted all releases on their own label....)
Cosmic
Date:
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Subject:
Re: Orbital
ALPHABET SOUP wrote in response to my query:
> I think anyone who doesnt know the name of the Orbital track on the MTV
> thingamajig is ig-nernt...
>
So, taking into the account the cloth-headed postings of yesterday, may
I just ask you netters to judge, who is the most ignorant He whom asks the question, or the arse who can't answer it properly
and insults people too easily.
Thank you.
smc /
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B R O T H E R A L P H A B E T <jah10@ra.msstate.edu>
Tue, 29 Mar 1994 13:22:59 +0100

Yes. Where have you been....? ;-)
(They split up, they said they weren't gonna record any more music,
and they deleted all releases on their own label....)
Cosmic
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Tue, 29 Mar 1994 06:50:02 -0700 (MST)
Geep track
> Well, I've listened to the aforementioned track, and it sounds, well,
> ambient......!!! - I don't know how else to describe it (it certainly doesn't
What?? Did we listen to the same track? I'd put it in line with Hannant and
Reload. What a qool beat.
> BTW, I heard the '777' album last night - wonderful!! I was fairly disappoint
ed
> with 'Strange Quotations', though, because the Mixmag Orb mix is much better (
a
> lot more dub and a constant sample of a female voice saying 'ecstasy' - just
> that)!
What Mixmag Orb mix? Details!
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Tue, 29 Mar 94 14:56:00 PST
RE: New Compilation featuring Orb - comments
Nick & others...

IF the track you mention is the Orb then I'm dissapointed....
You see it's SHITE.
Now don't get me wrong I'm a BIG Orb fan but it really isn't suprising they
didn't release it.
I got the Album purely for that track and promptly took it back and swapped
it for the "Feed your Head" compilation from Planet Dog records.
In case any
(i.e. Ozric
camel mix),
electronica
Regards
Chris
of you don't know it includes: Banco de Gaia, The Ullulators

Tentacles), Eat Static (i.e. Ozric Tentacles), System 7 (habibi
and a number of other excellent tunes, certainly better than the
album!
dubnobasswithmyheadman
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Tue, 29 Mar 1994 09:14:38 -0500 (EST)
Emigre Designers Republic Issue
In our previous episode, Pete Ashdown said:

> This may or may not be old news, but I got my issue of Emigre on Designers
> Republic yesterday.
What is this? Is Emigre a monthly magazine? Is it available in the
US? I'm interested in getting some DR posters after seeing an article
on them in April's Wired... Details!!!
-Brian
"Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a terminal prognosis."
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> either!!)
Then again, there's a certain amount of confusion about how much of Alex there
Culf.
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Tue, 29 Mar 94 15:43:00 PST
Flamers & Flaming
OK folks, If you going to be childish either use private mail or subscribe

to Fnord, I've just un subbed cause it's at that level and that level only.
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Tue, 29 Mar 1994 08:15:17 -0700 (MST)
Flamers & Flaming
> OK folks, If you going to be childish either use private mail or subscribe
> to Fnord, I've just un subbed cause it's at that level and that level only.
I've started kicking people off for perpetuating this nonsense, so watch
yourselves! :-)
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Tue, 29 Mar 1994 09:21:02 -0600 (CST)
Re: Orbital
> Ok, I'd like to know the name of the Orbital track used to in the MTV clip
> to advertise its show 'Chill-Out Zone' (which isn't very good by-the-way).
Sorry, I have no idea; but if you tell me what the song was, we'll both know.
Dave
cdh1@ra.msstate.edu
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Re: Orbital
David Holloway wrote in response to my original post:
>> Ok, I'd like to know the name of the Orbital track used to in the MTV clip
>> to advertise its show 'Chill-Out Zone' (which isn't very good by-the-way).
>
> Sorry, I have no idea; but if you tell me what the song was, we'll both know.
>
> Dave
Well Dave, I don't know, that's why I asked the question. However some person
called Soup something ( <jah10'RA.MSSTATE.EDU> ) does and is keeping quiet.
smc /
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Tue, 29 Mar 1994 10:22:01 -0600 (CST)
Re: Orbital
> > Ok, I'd like to know the name of the Orbital track used to in the MTV clip
> > to advertise its show 'Chill-Out Zone' (which isn't very good by-the-way).
> Sorry, I have no idea; but if you tell me what the song was, we'll both know.
There seems to be a misunderstanding here, this is the Orb list not the
Orbital list.
If you wan to talk Orbital, like I do, then I suggest you try the
Orbital list (imagine that). The sub-address is: majordomo@xmission.com
Not a flame, just information.
Auction update:
Still accepting bids for K Cera Cera, due to a weak market prices have
not quite reached the previous level :( So feal free to bid whatever you
would like, two digits acceptable and encouraged.
Same great taste - now low in sodium,
Ran
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 29 Mar 1994 11:39:23 -0500 (EST)
Wanted: Orb Assasin^3 w/ sticker!
Subject says it all -- if anyone knows where they/I can lay my paws on a copy of
it, let me know and we can work something out!
--ThankZ N advance!
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 29 Mar 1994 18:13:19 +0100
Does anyone have the text of the "K Foundation" ads?
Does anyone out there have a copy of the text from the
K Foundation advertisements that were in the UK sunday
papers last year?
-Justin Mason (Iona Technologies' unix caretaker, fixer-upper and disk-filler)
<jmason@iona.ie>, with a hyplan at: http://www.iona.ie/www/hyplan/jmason.html
I do not speak for Iona. "I was an infinitely hot and dense dot." Mark Leyner
---------From: Johsua J McTee <jmctee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
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Subject: The White Room
A movie called "The White Room" will be showing in the Biograph In DC from
April 1-8. Is it possible?
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Johsua J McTee <jmctee@JHUNIX.HCF.JHU.EDU>
Tue, 29 Mar 1994 13:41:57 -0500 (EST)
Re: The White Room
On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Johsua J McTee wrote:

>
> A movie called "The White Room" will be showing in the Biograph In DC from
> April 1-8. Is it possible?
Could very well be...As far as I know, (which isn't much) they mention a
"White Room" movie in the CD liner notes...
Daniel Lee * Bowling Green State University * dlee2@andy.bgsu.edu
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Tue, 29 Mar 1994 11:32:11 -0800 (PST)
Re: The White Room
On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Johsua J McTee wrote:

>
> A movie called "The White Room" will be showing in the Biograph In DC from
> April 1-8. Is it possible?
>
Call and ask them! Get details! Ask for a brief description/ director
info, etc! Anything! Let's hope.
Date:
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Subject: Re: The White Room
>
>A movie called "The White Room" will be showing in the Biograph In DC from
>April 1-8. Is it possible?
Details, please -- ASAP, as I might be going to DC at that time. (IF it
is, I *will* be going then. )
stnk@maristb.bitnet
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Brian Hostetler <bhostetl@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Tue, 29 Mar 94 17:04:29 EST
Re: Emigre Designers Republic Issue
-What is this? Is Emigre a monthly magazine? Is it available in the

-US? I'm interested in getting some DR posters after seeing an article
-on them in April's Wired... Details!!!
Emigre is a quarterly design magazine. It seems to be about people
who do design work on Macintoshes (so I guess that's the designers
republics machine of choice) and this entire issue is devoted to
the designers republic.
It comes with a calendar for 94 done by the designers republic that
occupies the middle six pages, lots and lots of album covers (mostly
pop will eat it itself and others (not much orb really)), and two
interviews, one with ian somebody of dr and one with some guy who
is also a designer and is a big fan of dr.
I think it is very great.
Umm, in other news it costs 7.95 and is a limited printing item so if
you want a copy you should start looking now. I found my copy in an
out of the way bookstore near Boston (all the stores in boston were
out already).
[fletcher]
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Tue, 29 Mar 1994 16:12:47 -0600 (CST)
> If you don't care about the band, why are you putting your two cents in?
I wouldn't say I don't care about the band, I still listen to them. If
their new stuff sounds good (ie good dance tracks - It's Grimm Up North,
Last Train to Trancentral, etc) I would probably buy it. I think they are
ok, but not great. I am also on here for the Orb info.
Dave
cdh1@ra.msstate.edu
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Tue, 29 Mar 1994 16:16:14 -0600 (CST)
On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Roy Badami wrote:
>
> > is the KLF dead or something????
>
> Yes. Where have you been....? ;-)
>
> (They split up, they said they weren't gonna record any more music,
> and they deleted all releases on their own label....)
>
>
Cosmic
>
Ok everybody....look at this post...this is the type of response i was
talking about...a mild joke..."where have you been?" and an informative
statement...quite an appropriate and helpful post to me...someone who
didnt know something...thank you very much...
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!
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Tue, 29 Mar 1994 16:07:56 -0600 (CST)
On Mon, 28 Mar 1994, David Eschatfische wrote:

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>
>
>
>
But how does this account for you not knowing they've broken up? It's
been common knowledge on this list, and is mentioned quite often. It has
nothing at all to do with the fact that the KLF is a European act...I
learned the KLF had broken up the day after it happened on American MTV,
back in 1992, courtesy of Kurt Loder.
I don't go to Tower Records every 2 weeks and MTV is too busy trying to
change "young skulls full of mush" with Snoop Doggy Dog and Kris Kross.
American MTV sucks. The only time I do watch it is, in my spare time, at
9:30pm cst for Beevis and Butt-head.
> Someone slagging the KLF because "They haven't put out anything
> in a long time" when it is common knowledge they've broken up is
> ridiculous.
But it is not common knowledge. The vast majority of messages I see on
here are about the Orb (nothing wrong with that). For all I know the K
Foundation could be another name for the JAMMS or the Timelords.
>
I don't apologize for my brief, pertinent flames --
neither do I
but I do think
> the ensuing war has been ridiculous,
but it is fun :)
and I apologize for starting that.
You must have started this with Brother Alphabet
Dave
cdh1@ra.msstate.edu
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Culfinion <culf@CITY.AC.UK>
Tue, 29 Mar 1994 16:30:35 -0600 (CST)
On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Culfinion wrote:

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I'm
over and over...
Just out of curiosity, how many of the versions of WTIL? have you heard?
What Time is Love -
Original(?) TVT 4071

Live at Trancentral WAX 9157
The White Room (US) (CD)
Live at Trancentral D10494 (Australia)
(Doctorin the Tardis CD single)
Original TVT 4025-2
- Tekk-Bangers Ball (CD 2) ZYX 60009-2 America...
> There's a VAST difference between many of them, they were aimed at different
> markets at different times over a 4 year period ... what's wrong with that?
As long as there are VAST differences between them, I suppose that's ok.
But still, they had TOO MANY mixes of that song according to that FTP site.>
> If someone likes the song a lot, then they have plenty of versions to pick
> from, or to collect wholesale. But you don't HAVE to buy, you don't HAVE to
> listen. If you don't approve of multimixes of a tune, ignore them.
Is that what happened? Were you all in the UK tired of hearing that song
remixed and remixed until the KLF was beating dead ...SHEEP! *
* from that disco queen dude.
Dave
cdh1@ra.msstate.edu
---------From: "C. David Holloway" <cdh1@Ra.MsState.Edu>
To: Lazlo Nibble <lazlo@CARINA.UNM.EDU>, KLF <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 1994 16:42:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: The Recent Flamewar

On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, C. David Holloway wrote:
> If you don't care about the band, why are you putting your two cents in?
I wouldn't say I don't care about the band, I still listen to them. If
their new stuff sounds good (ie good dance tracks - It's Grimm Up North,
Last Train to Trancentral, etc) I would probably buy it. I think they are
ok, but not great. I am also on here for the Orb info.
Dave
cdh1@ra.msstate.edu
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Tue, 29 Mar 1994 17:31:56 -0600 (CST)
Re: The White Room
> A movie called "The White Room" will be showing in the Biograph In
> DC from April 1-8. Is it possible?
Well, _anything's_ possible. But the review I read of The White Room
currently circling the art houses pointed out specifically that it was
_not_ the KLF's project, and had no relation whatsoever.
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 29 Mar 1994 18:19:01 -0600 (CST)
KLF Ultra Rare Trax for sale
Found a KLF URT today, knowing the people on the list I picked it up.
For $32 you will get the disc via first class snail.
BTW, K Cera Cera is still for sale, keep them bids comming ;-)
Ran
Me, I just like the Orb
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Tue, 29 Mar 1994 21:11:16 -0600 (CST)
KLF URT [auction]
by poular demand, the track listing for the KLF URT

1. All You Need is Love
2. It's grim up north (for nor money mix)
3. What Time is Love (techno scam mix)

4. 3am Eternal (blue Danube Orbital Mix)
5. Last Train to Transcentral (remix I)
6. Kylie Said to Jason (Full length version)
7. What time is Love (Power Remix)
8. Doctrin the Tardis (Gary Glitter Mix)
9. Justified and Ancient (Tammy Mix)
10. 3am Eternal (Top Mix)
11. What Time is Love (Wandaful Mix)
Several people wanted a track listing.
Several more people wanted to buy the disc.
This is now an auction, demand is so strong this I have no choice.
Send your bids to me. I'll start the bidding at $35.
If you have already sent me a note, do so again.
When you net me be sure you mention which disc you want URT or K Cera
Cera.
CONSIDERATION WILL BE GIVEN TO THOSE THAT BID ON BOTH DISCS!
As always, if you hate auctions them flame me personally.
Ran
Date:
Tue, 29 Mar 94 23:09:03 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Please, Everybody - Stop.
>But it is not common knowledge. The vast majority of messages I see on
>here are about the Orb (nothing wrong with that). For all I know the K
>Foundation could be another name for the JAMMS or the Timelords.
I don't have the heart to tell him. Does anyone want to say it, nicely,
and non-inflammatorily? No? Okay, then I will. KF=KLF=JAMS=Timelords.
>> the ensuing war has been ridiculous,
>
>but it is fun :)
I like it too...at least it breaks up the monotony of "I think Live
'93 sucks" and "Which YMO remix is which" messages...although I
understand the importance of these.
stnk@maristb.bitnet
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Tue, 29 Mar 1994 22:45:14 -0600 (CST)
Re: Re[2]: Please, Everybody - Stop.
> I don't have the heart to tell him. Does anyone want to say it, nicely,
> and non-inflammatorily? No? Okay, then I will. KF=KLF=JAMS=Timelords.
Yes, I see the connection between the KF, KLF, JAMMS, and the Timelords.
and yes, I know the KLF has broken up.
but prior to this the connection (KF = KLF broken up) was not made to me
and it wasn't noticeable during the 2 months I've been on the mailing list.
Dave
cdh1@ra.msstate.edu
Date:
Tue, 29 Mar 94 23:17:01 EST
Subject: Re[2]: The White Room
>> A movie
>> DC from
>
>
Well,
>currently
>_not_ the
called "The White Room" will be showing in the Biograph In

April 1-8. Is it possible?
_anything's_ possible. But the review I read of The White Room
circling the art houses pointed out specifically that it was
KLF's project, and had no relation whatsoever.
Then again, would you expect them to admit it? Didn't they say that they
would not return to the KLF aegis?
Okay, it's probably not them and I won't bother with going. Anyone know
what the movie _is_ about though?
stnk@maristb.bitnet
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Tue, 29 Mar 1994 23:09:15 -0600 (CST)
An Orbservation
I just thought I'd inject this thought:

Not only am I sick of the flamewar, I am also sick of everyone personally
asking everyone else to stop flaming people. Of my 50 letters today, about 30
of them re: the flamewar in some manner. Everyone grow up and/or shut up.
BTW - Please don't flame me for adding to those "30 letters." I'm just tired
of reading all this crap. Let's talk about the Orb and KLF.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
-- Stephenwolf
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orbital@xmission.com
Tue, 29 Mar 1994 22:33:13 -0800
CD Europe BBS for import CDs online
Since a number of people have been private e-mailing me for info on this
based on a recent post of mine where I referenced it, here it is.
CD Europe is a BBS in Silicon Valley so you can order your imports online.
It's like CD Connection, but there they don't have an Internet connection,
so you can't telnet or ftp in or anything.
The phone number is:
408-730-8138
I've never ordered anything from them, and I don't know any of the people
running it. And personally, I think Dave Steinhart has better prices at
EAR/Rational (mail to: ear-rational@xmission.com). (I'm not connected with
him, either)
My only interaction with them was when I tried to get some info about 3
entries in their database with different prices, but they all had the same
name. They have their own numbering system, and wouldn't tell me what the
matrix number was for the entries, so there was no way to tell what I was
buying. Seems like a *major* oversight to me in the way they're setup.
Don
donpierr@netcom.com
---------From: im1ajy2 <im1ajy2@greenwich.ac.uk>
To: KLF List <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 94 13:12:05 BST
---On Mar 29, 1:13pm, Culfinion wrote:
---Subject: Re: Orb discovery
=>
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> either!!)
Then again, there's a certain amount of confusion about how much of Alex ther
Culf.
Well, I'd tend to agree with the KLF...
---End of excerpt from Culfinion----------------------------------------------------------------------------------> TimeBoy : Controls <-> Lord Rock : Navigation <-> Ford Timelord : Talent <-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't worry about being accused of being a thief. Even if you were to, you have
not got the time to take the trial and error route.
(k)opyright KLF Communications 1988.
---------From: T E Walsh <T.E.Walsh@durham.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 13:13:49 +0100 (BST)
Subject:
unsubscribe
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 94 13:15:20 BST
---On Mar 29, 10:22am, "Ran A. Mano" wrote:
---Subject: Re: Orbital
=> There seems to be a misunderstanding here, this is the Orb list not the
=> Orbital list.
=>
=> Orbital list (imagine that). The sub-address is: majordomo@xmission.com
=>
---End of excerpt from "Ran A. Mano"--Just one thing... whose dumb-ass idea was it to associate the
Kopyright Liberation Front with the Old Rubbishy Bore-mongers ...?
To that person I would like firstly to say "hippy!" and secondly,
"git."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------> TimeBoy : Controls <-> Lord Rock : Navigation <-> Ford Timelord : Talent <------------------------------------------------------------------------------If future historians were to base their research on what young Britain was like
in the late eighties solely on the substance of bank adverts, you would
definitely be rated as the most despicable types since we were kicked out of
the Garden.
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 30 Mar 94 14:05:23 BST
Association (was:
)
> => There seems to be a misunderstanding here, this is the Orb list not the
> => Orbital list.
> =>
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=> Orbital list (imagine that). The sub-address is: majordomo@xmission.com

=>
---End of excerpt from "Ran A. Mano"--Just one thing... whose dumb-ass idea was it to associate the
Errr.......theirs actually.
>
>
>

"git."
Thats Dr. Paterson, Jimmy Cauty and Bill Drummond you're talking to .
Pete..
>
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------> TimeBoy : Controls <-> Lord Rock : Navigation <-> Ford Timelord : Talent <-----------------------------------------------------------------------------If future historians were to base their research on what young Britain was lik
in the late eighties solely on the substance of bank adverts, you would
definitely be rated as the most despicable types since we were kicked out of
the Garden.

Date:
Wed, 30 Mar 94 16:19:55 EST
Subject:
A SERIOUS proposition
Following on from Judge Dredd's <im1ajy2'GREENWICH.AC.UK> comment:
>
>
>
>
>
>
Just one thing... whose dumb-ass idea was it to associate the

To that person I would like firstly to say "hippy " and secondly,
"git."
Well...
I propose that the current mailing list be split into a KLF list
and an Orb list.
Although I like the Orb as much as the KLF, the Orb postings seem to be
a little more retentive in the anal department.
In addition, today there is much less to link the two spheres of interest
than there was four years ago.
I mean, K foundation are still exploring new directions, whereas the Orb
seem quite happy to carry on in their current direction for the next decade.
Don't flame this, Orb fans. On second thoughts do; it will prove my point
about the need for a separate KLF list.
smc /
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Wed, 30 Mar 1994 07:54:03 -0700 (MST)
KLF/Orb
> Just one thing... whose dumb-ass idea was it to associate the Kopyright
> Liberation Front with the Old Rubbishy Bore-mongers ...?
Jimi Cauty of KLF was a founding member of The Orb.
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Wed, 30 Mar 1994 07:56:05 -0700 (MST)
KLF/Orb II
> I propose that the current mailing list be split into a KLF list
> and an Orb list.
Too late. It's going to happen sometime next week or so, if all goes well.
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Cody Schell <cjs6731@silver.sdsmt.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 30 Mar 1994 08:37:31 -0700 (MST)
UNSUBSCRIBE
UNSUBSRIBE
UNSUBSCRIBE
UNSUBSCRIBE
UNSUBSCRIBE
UNSUBSCRIBE
GET IT THROUGH YOUR SKULL, IWANT OUT OF THIS BICKERING
HELL HOLE OF A MAILING LIST!!!!
:)
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Wed, 30 Mar 94 18:44:58 EET DST
Re: A SERIOUS proposition
> I propose that the current mailing list be split into a KLF list
> and an Orb list.
I second the motion.
> Don't flame this, Orb fans. On second thoughts do; it will prove my point
> about the need for a separate KLF list.
Not a flame from an Orb fan, but I never cared about KLF but I do like Orb
a lot so these could be very well separated. :)
Janne
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 30 Mar 1994 15:33:48 +0100 (BST)
about this list...
>
>
> Kopyright Liberation Front with the Old Rubbishy Bore-mongers ...?
Actually, I was just about to ask that question too, although not like
that :)
Of course, being a relatively new member of the list I've been busy
reading the whole ftp site :| There's lots of KLF info (some of it
quite amusing I thought) and hardly anything about the Orb.
Certainly nothing to explain why they share a common mailing list.
So, is there something obvious they have in common that I've missed?
(in which case I expect to be flamed to oblivion, knowing this place)
Did the mailing list get created for one of them first and then
incorporate discussion about the the other?
Mark.
-Mark Dobie

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"peter new xd/gke x.4621" <etlprnw@ETLXD20.ERICSSON.SE>
Wed, 30 Mar 1994 09:39:19 -0800 (PST)
Re: Association (was: )
Actually, for the most part Orb is something that I think is overrated in
as far as people think these people geniuses... Much of the material they
write is very easy to produce. Now before I am served the molten hot hate
down my throat, I would like to say I like some Orb--. But I happen to
believe that the technology that is available these days is just not
being put to very good use. At least the limits are not being explored
too often.
I could say much the same about the klf, but I really love them
too much to ever put such blasphemy into print.....
On Wed, 30 Mar 1994, peter new xd/gke x.4621 wrote:
> > => There seems to be a misunderstanding here, this is the Orb list not the
> > => Orbital list.
> > => If you wan to talk Orbital, like I do, then I suggest you try the
> > => Orbital list (imagine that). The sub-address is: majordomo@xmission.com
> > => Not a flame, just information.
> >
> > ---End of excerpt from "Ran A. Mano"--> >
> >
> > Kopyright Liberation Front with the Old Rubbishy Bore-mongers ...?
> >
>
> Errr.......theirs actually.
>
> >
> >
"git."
> >
>
> Thats Dr. Paterson, Jimmy Cauty and Bill Drummond you're talking to .
>
> Pete..
>
> >
> > -> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------> > -> TimeBoy : Controls <-> Lord Rock : Navigation <-> Ford Timelord : Talent
<> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------> >
> > If future historians were to base their research on what young Britain was l
ike
> > in the late eighties solely on the substance of bank adverts, you would
> > definitely be rated as the most despicable types since we were kicked out of
> > the Garden.
> >
> > (k)opyright KLF Communications 1988.
> >
>
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"John Speakman" <SPEAKMAN@biost.mskcc.org>

30 Mar 94 12:46:00 EST
Re: University of Greenwich, what the fark is that? South Bank Poly?
>From: im1ajy2 <im1ajy2@GREENWICH.AC.UK>

>Real_Name: Judge Dredd
>Organization: University of Greenwich
>To: KLF List <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>

>
>Kopyright Liberation Front with the Old Rubbishy Bore-mongers ...?
>
>
"git."
Harsh, but succinct and, fan though I am, dare I say not without a point, but
we all get older and historically they're mates and used to work on each
other's records. Or something. I don't know.
John, MSKCC, NYC
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Wed, 30 Mar 1994 11:02:07 -0700 (MST)
about this list...
> Did the mailing list get created for one of them first and then
> incorporate discussion about the the other?
This list was created in combination because the histories of the two bands
are directly connected. It used to be that most of the people on the list
were KLF fans who were interested in The Orb as well, but now most new
members are primarily Orb fans who know or care very little about the
history of the band. (The growth of the list has also increased the number
of people who think it's a great place to project attitude and generally
stink up peoples' mailboxes with their shit, as folks have probably
noticed.)
So. Sometime in the next week or two Pete Ashdown is letting me move the
list over to xmission.com, where we'll be able to automate some of the
administrative functions and add a few features, like a digest format. Pete
suggested to me that we split the list as part of the move, and while I
really would prefer to keep everybody together, I have to admit that it's
getting a little thick around here and that splitting into separate KLF
and Orb lists can only help. I'll post details on the changeover once
they're available.
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mrd@ECS.SOTON.AC.UK (Mark Dobie)
Wed, 30 Mar 94 13:09:28 EST
Re: about this list...
> Certainly nothing to explain why they share a common mailing list.
> So, is there something obvious they have in common that I've missed?
The KLF: Jimmy Cauty & Bill Drummond
The Orb (1989-90): Jimmy Cauty & Alex Paterson
The Orb (1990-present): "Dr." Alex Paterson & Kris "Thrash" Weston
Since The KLF (and Cauty as "Space") have produced ambient material,
discussion tends to be of interest to Orb-heads, and vice-vera.
> Did the mailing list get created for one of them first and then
> incorporate discussion about the the other?

No, what you see is what has always been.
Date:
Wed, 30 Mar 94 13:59:05 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Association (was: )
>Actually, for the most part Orb is something that I think is overrated in
>as far as people think these people geniuses... Much of the material they
>write is very easy to produce. Now before I am served the molten hot hate
>down my throat, I would like to say I like some Orb--. But I happen to
>believe that the technology that is available these days is just not
>being put to very good use. At least the limits are not being explored
>too often.
I have to agree here, for the most part. The Orb has seemed content to
pretty much stay in line. I love Adventures, I think UFOrb is about
50% worthwhile, and I only like three tracks on L93 (Assassin and the
new ones). I think that a split is a good idea, 'cuz I don't really
need all the info about every single Orb remix.
"divide and conquer.... :)"
stnk@maristb.bitnet
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Cody Schell <cjs6731@silver.sdsmt.edu>, klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 30 Mar 1994 09:27:03 -0800
Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
At 8:37 AM 3/30/94 -0700, Cody Schell wrote:

>UNSUBSRIBE
>UNSUBSCRIBE
>UNSUBSCRIBE
>UNSUBSCRIBE
>UNSUBSCRIBE
>GET IT THROUGH YOUR SKULL, IWANT OUT OF THIS BICKERING
>HELL HOLE OF A MAILING LIST!!!!
>:)
Well maybe you should try klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us
Chris Fraser
---------From: Cody Schell <cjs6731@silver.sdsmt.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 13:09:01 -0700 (MST)

Subject: Re:My Unsubscription
Listen, Its just that kind of attitude that makes me hate this
mailing list where 30 people have to try making the same point
about something they are misinformed about in the first place.
I happened to have tried to Unsubscribe many many times, at the
-klf-request e-mail address, so don't try to tell me where to
stick it because I know, ok?
UNSUBSCRIBE!
(I don't care if I am ignored, Lazlo, I can keep it up as long as
you keep me on the list)
:)
Have a nice day.
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jet@netcom.com (J. Eric Townsend)

<KLF@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Wed, 30 Mar 1994 12:46:21 -0800
re: A SERIOUS proposition
"S. Chambers Data Processing Division" writes:

> Although I like the Orb as much as the KLF, the Orb postings seem to be
> a little more retentive in the anal department.
Much like sitting between a Fripp fan and an Eno fan, I suspect..
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 30 Mar 94 12:45:27 PST
Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
>At 8:37 AM 3/30/94 -0700, Cody Schell wrote:

>>UNSUBSCRIBE
>>GET IT THROUGH YOUR SKULL, IWANT OUT OF THIS BICKERING
>>HELL HOLE OF A MAILING LIST!!!!
>Well maybe you should try klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us
i have tried that twice in the past two days and i'm still here. it's
beginning to really irritate me.
/j/
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"Rizor, Carson" <carson.rizor@smtplink.psc.lsa.umich.edu>

jdrukman%dlsun87@US.ORACLE.COM, klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 30 Mar 94 17:04:16 EST
Re[2]: UNSUBSCRIBE
I've tried unsubscribing through klf-request as well. Not that I

mind... if the list really IS going to be split between the KLF and the
Orb, I think I'll stick around.
Carson!
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ambient@netcom.com (Joe Rice)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 30 Mar 1994 14:24:16 -0800
Re: KLF URT [auction]
Regarding the KLF URT, Prime Cuts records in Los Angeles has at least one,
for $23.99, I think. They do mail order - call (213) 654-8251.
Joe
----------(Joe Rice)--------------------------(they entered the vortex)------------(ambient@netcom.com)------------------(and the dreams became reality)-------------From:
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Vince Yallop <vyallop@cix.compulink.co.uk>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us, mrd@ecs.soton.ac.uk
Thu, 31 Mar 94 00:43 BST-1
Re: Aubrey in UK (and other stuff)
Hullo..
> Several people have suggested that the Aubrey mixes have been
> reissued in the UK. It certainly doesn't seem to be around the
> regular shops at the moment.
They have been reissued in the UK yet. NME reported a month or so
ago they _may_ be in the summer. I called up Big Life a fortnight ago
after reading about a limited repress for the US and they were
slightly tight-lipped. I asked if I could buy one from them direct..
they said no, but sent me one free!
>
>
>
>
Anyway, I did pick up a copy at the local record fair yesterday

(for 10 quid) and I have no idea whether it is a reissue or not.
All the dates say 1991. Do you it might be another Big Life
identical to the original reissue?
Mine says 1991, but it could be an original. I can't tell. At least

I now have the Aubrey LFC on CD. It first ignited my interest in the
Orb when Peel played that version, typically timed to the day of
release/delete. I've had about four minutes of it on tape, but now I
am even happier. Best version IMO. Spanish Castles remixed also tops!
I also asked about the reissue of Huge.. and they said there were
no firm plans for it in Britain as yet. But that was a fortnight ago!
While I'm here I'll ask if anyone has a copy of Space CD or KLF URT
they want to sell for a reasonableish price (unlikely). Contact me
direct pleasey.
oo
-\/- Vince.
---------From: andy@kingkong.wco.ftp.com (Andy Nourse)
To: ambient@netcom.com (Joe Rice), klf@asylum.sf.ca.us

Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 16:27:14 -0800
Subject: Re: KLF URT [auction]
At 02:24 PM 3/30/94 -0800, Joe Rice wrote:
>Regarding the KLF URT, Prime Cuts records in Los Angeles has at least one,
>for $23.99, I think. They do mail order - call (213) 654-8251.
Not any more they don't. Somebody bought it already.
(He said I was the third person to call since it was sold)
&andy
KC1IP/6
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Wed, 30 Mar 1994 20:10:56 -0500 (EST)
Emigre Designers Republic
I called the 1-800# for Emigre (I've already thrown it away, don't
e-mail me!) and the total cost was $7.95 + $3 shipping. The guy was
very pleasant (they take all major credit cards) and asked how I heard
about the issue. I had to groan 'cos it's nearly impossible to
explain mailing lists to people who have no clue (and w/o sounding
like a geek). Still, after the second time, he understood and said I
was the second person to call from the list. Whatever! Can't wait
for my issue!
-Brian
"Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a terminal prognosis."
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pashdown@xmission.com (Pete Ashdown)

Wed, 30 Mar 1994 19:43:28 -0700 (MST)
Designers Republic and Emigre
Alright, so quit besieging me with requests for the Designers Repulic issue.
Get it yourself. Call Emigre at 1-800-944-9021. The issue is $7.95 and they
have various shipping rates that you need to call them about.
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andy@kingkong.wco.ftp.com (Andy Nourse)

ambient@netcom.com (Joe Rice), klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 30 Mar 1994 16:27:14 -0800
Re: KLF URT [auction]
At 02:24 PM 3/30/94 -0800, Joe Rice wrote:

>Regarding the KLF URT, Prime Cuts records in Los Angeles has at least one,
>for $23.99, I think. They do mail order - call (213) 654-8251.
Not any more they don't. Somebody bought it already.
(He said I was the third person to call since it was sold)
&andy
KC1IP/6
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Wed, 30 Mar 1994 21:38:40 -0700 (MST)
Re: Aubrey UK reissue
> Several people have suggested that the Aubrey mixes have been
> reissued in the UK. It certainly doesn't seem to be around the
> regular shops at the moment.
Aubrey Mixes has almost 100% *certainly* been reissued by Big Life. There
are two different matrix numbers on the two issues. Given that the original
run was intended as a one-day release, it's extremely unlikely that it would
have been issued with two different matrix numbers on its original issue.
Now it's entirely possible (even likely, give the circumstances) that Big
Life repressed it exclusively for the export market and didn't make it
available in the UK . . .
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"c. bailey" <cbailey@julian.uwo.ca>

Thu, 31 Mar 1994 00:29:11 -0500 (EST)
Re: Aubrey UK reissue
Shit, I thought I had a collector's item. :(

Oh well, now more people can enjoy the *awesome* remix of "Outlands". :)
Crispin
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Reynold_Gonsalves@babylon.montreal.qc.ca (Reynold Gonsalves)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
30 Mar 1994 23:23:18 -0000
Subscribe
Whazzup with Alex? When the Orb floated through town, much was missing. How
was it in your neck of the woods? Also how can we speak of the KLF when they
have become an "art" collective, nailing money to boards?
Reynold Gonsalves
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Thu, 31 Mar 1994 00:27:10 -0500 (EST)
KLF URT - Zing [S!O!L!D]
>Not any more they don't. Somebody bought it already.
>(He said I was the third person to call since it was sold)
>
&andy
>
KC1IP/6
>
Thank'ya very much. I musta been the first to call since its on the way.
<grin>
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Wed, 30 Mar 1994 22:17:19 -0800
FOR SALE: Orb's Assassin^3 CD
Due to some e-mail confusion, my copy of the Orb's Assassin^3 CD is now

available again. If you are interested, please mail a bid to me. If you
already mailed a bid, please mail one again, since I deleted your message.
All bids are without shipping.
Don
donpierr@netcom.com
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Thu, 31 Mar 94 9:28:50 BST
Re: The White Room
>
Well, _anything's_ possible. But the review I read of The White Room
> currently circling the art houses pointed out specifically that it was
> _not_ the KLF's project, and had no relation whatsoever.
There was a (French-?) Canadian film shown at the Cannes Film Festival thing
in about 1990 called The White Room - I remember alluding to it in one of the
NEWS documents ...
Culf.
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Thu, 31 Mar 94 9:48:27 BST
Re: KLF/Orb II
Ppl,
> > I propose that the current mailing list be split into a KLF list
> > and an Orb list.
>
> Too late. It's going to happen sometime next week or so, if all goes well.
Oh dear. Oh dear.
I suppose, logically, this is a *good thing*, for the reasons Lazlo cited:
> but now most new
> members are primarily Orb fans who know or care very little about the
> history of the band.
However, I always was fundamentally opposed to this change, and I guess I
still am. I know the two bands are now completely different entities, and
their groups of fans are different people [for the most part] (indeed, the
original KLF-fan breed will be dying off, with no news and no action...), but
it still seems a shame to me.
Oh well, I guess as long as people don't
relevant to both groups, I can live with
interested in the latest discovery of an
still be subscribing to a new Orb list.
appearance :) .
cross-post unless its directly

it. Even though I'm not *overly*
Orb mix on a different format, I'll
If only to see if Alex makes an
And I guess if I start struggling with the volume of Email then I can
unsubscribe to that one and still get the stuff that really interests me ...
End of an era? K Cera Cera ... Whatever will be, will be.
> and while I
> really would prefer to keep everybody together,
Commiserations.
Culf.
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"A.P.Watts-Curnow" <A.P.Watts-Curnow@computer-science.hull.ac.uk>
klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Thu, 31 Mar 1994 09:56:56 +0100 (BST)
unsubscribe
UNSUBSCRIBE
please remove me from this strangest of mail lists. |-)

Andy.
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Thu, 31 Mar 94 09:57:06 BST
Re: Designers Republic and Emigre
>
> Alright, so quit besieging me with requests for the Designers Repulic issue.
> Get it yourself. Call Emigre at 1-800-944-9021. The issue is $7.95 and they
> have various shipping rates that you need to call them about.
>
Do you think they ship to the UK also ? If so, is this number diallable from
the UK ? Or is this a US freephone type number ? HELP, I want this
publication !!!
Cheers, Pete..
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 94 11:21:59 BST
---On Mar 30, 7:54am, Lazlo Nibble wrote:
---Subject: KLF/Orb
=> > Just one thing... whose dumb-ass idea was it to associate the Kopyright
=> > Liberation Front with the Old Rubbishy Bore-mongers ...?
=>
=> Jimi Cauty of KLF was a founding member of The Orb.
=>
I knew he *worked* with them, but I didn't know he was a founding
member... anyway, Drummond was the driving force behind the KLF, and this
is evident by the total lack of similarity between the KLF and the Orb...
=> -=> Lazlo (lazlo@unm.edu)
---End of excerpt from Lazlo Nibble----------------------------------------------------------------------------------> TimeBoy : Controls <-> Lord Rock : Navigation <-> Ford Timelord : Talent <------------------------------------------------------------------------------6.
A copy of the Music Week Directory. This you will have to send off for.
Address your envelope to: Sylvia Carter, Morgan Grampian Plc, Royal Sovereign
House, 40 Beresford Street, London SE18 6BQ (telephone 01-854-2200) with a
check or postal order for $15.00. It will take about ten days to get to you.
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 94 11:25:20 BST
---On Mar 30, 9:39am, Michael Entler wrote:
---Subject: Re: Association (was: )
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> Just one thing... whose dumb-ass idea was it to associate the
> Kopyright Liberation Front with the Old Rubbishy Bore-mongers ...?
>
Errr.......theirs actually.
Don't lie.
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> To that person I would like firstly to say "hippy!" and secondly,
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Thats Dr. Paterson, Jimmy Cauty and Bill Drummond you're talking to .
I doubt it....
Anyway, I have zero respect for "Dr" Paterson, charlatan that he is..
---End of excerpt from Michael Entler--Ian.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------> TimeBoy : Controls <-> Lord Rock : Navigation <-> Ford Timelord : Talent <------------------------------------------------------------------------------Don't bring a brief case or a filofax, you would be in danger of looking like
a minor league group manager.
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 94 11:28:13 BST
---On Mar 30, 5:04pm, "Rizor, Carson" wrote:
---Subject: Re[2]: UNSUBSCRIBE
=>
=> I've tried unsubscribing through klf-request as well. Not that I
=> mind... if the list really IS going to be split between the KLF and the
=> Orb, I think I'll stick around.
=>
=>
Carson!
---End of excerpt from "Rizor, Carson"---
Hey, same here!!!

The KLF is dead, long live the KLF!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------> TimeBoy : Controls <-> Lord Rock : Navigation <-> Ford Timelord : Talent <------------------------------------------------------------------------------Every Number One song ever written is only made up from bits of other songs.
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Thu, 31 Mar 1994 08:26:27 -0700 (MST)
Orb/KLF
>> Jimi Cauty of KLF was a founding member of The Orb.

>
> I knew he *worked* with them, but I didn't know he was a founding member...
The original lineup of The Orb was Cauty/Paterson.
> anyway, Drummond was the driving force behind the KLF, and this is
> evident by the total lack of similarity between the KLF and the Orb...
Uh...yeah, right. "Chill Out" and the old Pure Trance tracks sound *nothing*
like anything The Orb have done. Sure. You bet.
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William T. Lester <wlester@thesis1.med.uth.tmc.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (orb mailer)
Thu, 31 Mar 94 10:01:13 CST
space.
How can I get a copy of space?

I cant find it for the life of me.
Thanks!
-Bill
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William T. Lester <wlester@thesis1.med.uth.tmc.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (orb mailer)
Thu, 31 Mar 94 10:06:56 CST
A SERIOUS proposition
S. Chambers Data writes:

>"Although I like the Orb as much as the KLF, the Orb postings seem to be
>a little more retentive in the anal department.
>In addition, today there is much less to link the two spheres of interest
>than there was four years ago.
>I mean, K foundation are still exploring new directions, whereas the Orb
>seem quite happy to carry on in their current direction for the next decade.
>Don't flame this, Orb fans. On second thoughts do; it will prove my point
>about the need for a separate KLF list."
Oooooooo. You ARE the master of reverse psychology. You coy one!
My sphincter just aches when I read your messages!
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vyallop@cix.compulink.co.uk
Thu, 31 Mar 1994 17:52:22 +0100
Re: Aubrey in UK (and other stuff)
> While I'm here I'll ask if anyone has a copy of Space CD or KLF URT
> they want to sell for a reasonableish price (unlikely). Contact me
> direct pleasey.
If you're in the UK, and you're after a copy of Space, try Sister Ray
Records on Berwick St, Soho, London. Mine cost me 25 pounds. (They
do mail order, too....)
Cosmic
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"Berry R. Thrailkill (or a subprocess thereof)" <brt581s@nic.smsu.edu>

Trancentral <klf@asylum.sf.ca.us>
Thu, 31 Mar 1994 11:45:40 -0600 (CST)
On Thu, 31 Mar 1994, peter new xd/gke x.4621 wrote:

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> Alright, so quit besieging me with requests for the Designers Repulic issue.
> Get it yourself. Call Emigre at 1-800-944-9021. The issue is $7.95 and the
> have various shipping rates that you need to call them about.
>
Do you think they ship to the UK also ? If so, is this number diallable from
the UK ? Or is this a US freephone type number ? HELP, I want this
publication !!!
Cheers, Pete..
1-800 numbers are the US equivalent of freephone numbers... I'd

imagine they have a number for orders from outside the US though.
And what is this Designer's Republic thing? I think I missed
something somewhere.... (as usual) :)
--Me. (Berry R. Thrailkill)
(brt581s@nic.smsu.edu)
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"David P. Potosky" <dpotosky@nmsu.edu>

"Berry R. Thrailkill (or a subprocess thereof)" <brt581s@NIC.SMSU.EDU>
Thu, 31 Mar 1994 11:32:29 -0700 (MST)
>
>
And what is this Designer's Republic thing? I think I missed
> something somewhere.... (as usual) :)
>
I *think* that Designers Republic is the design group that designed the
PWEI covers and at least the Assassin cover of the Orb. I dont really
know what the mag is about though....maybe someone could tell us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
David Paul Potosky
"In the famous words of Socrates:
Computer Science NMSU
I drank what???????"
dpotosky@nmsu.edu
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Thu, 31 Mar 1994 12:51:34 -0700 (MST)
Designers Republic on Internet Holiday
Designers Republic is a group of four designers who's work has dominated the
techno music scene in England. They have done most of the Orb releases, all
of the Warp releases, most of the PWEI releases, and an enormous body of work
for Sun Electric who in turn has three releases (I guess they like them).
Their designs are in a very distinct style, with stolen logos, cartoon
characters, and a load of Japanese writing and anim style thrown in. Using
numbers for letters in their fonts is also one of their trademarks (tm) (c)
(p), as is the extended use of trademarks (tm) (c) (p) (dr).
Emigre is a design magazine geared towards the edge designers who really don't
care what the mainstream is up to. They also publish a load of their own
fonts as well as some experimental music from several bands they enjoy. The
latest issue of Emigre features Designers Republic. DR did the majority of
the design throughout the whole issue including a 12 month calendar, a
designography, and pictures of most of their better work.
Fans of The Orb's "style" will probably find picking up this issue worthwhile.
It is available direct from Emigre through the previously posted 800 number.
I will post their regular numbers (I'm at work now) tonight.
Unfortunately, the KLF never used Designers Republic. It is unknown whether
this cutting-edge, ground-breaking, frontier-pushing, extremely-active group
would ever do so, since for the most part, they are dead.
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"Susan R. Kameny" <susie@sutro.SFSU.EDU>

Thu, 31 Mar 1994 12:40:11 -0800 (PST)
Re: KLF/Orb II
i feel strange about this split...i got on this list cuz i am an orb
fan...but i have developed a great appreciation for the klf the more and
more i read about em...and i guess now i will have to join both new
lists...susie(:
Date:
Thu, 31 Mar 94 16:19:35 EST
Subject: Re[2]: KLF/Orb II
>i feel strange about this split...i got on this list cuz i am an orb
>fan...but i have developed a great appreciation for the klf the more and
>more i read about em...and i guess now i will have to join both new
>lists...susie(:
I totally understand that. I joined as a KLF fan and just kind of grew
into the Orb. So now I have to subscribe to both. (Laz, we _are_ getting
digests and bounce forms for both lists, right? <nudge nudge> :)
Speaking of which, I just wanted to take the time to ask how many
people have ever actually thanked Lazlo (or any of the moderators/
managers of lists) for the time and effort they've put into running
these things? ...and he still has time to maintain a sense of humour.
My hat is off to you.
-Neil
knvo@maristb.bitnet
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Thu, 31 Mar 1994 15:03:05 -0700 (MST)
Technodon Box
What's this Technodon Boxed Set I just got solicited on?

It's got 4 discs: the original album, 2 remix CDs (I and II?) and then a
live CD containing version of those tracks.
It's not cheap; I'm selling it for $94 + shipping. I'll drop the price
to $90 + shipping for people on this list...
I don't know more about it, though, so I'm waiting for someone to have some
info and share it with us all.
Dave
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abennett@phoenix.aps.muohio.edu (Andrew Bennett)

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (Orb List)
Thu, 31 Mar 1994 17:27:21 -0500 (EST)
Re: KLF/Orb II
Susie Kameny sez::

> i feel strange about this split...i got on this list cuz i am an orb
> fan...but i have developed a great appreciation for the klf the more and
> more i read about em...and i guess now i will have to join both new
> lists...susie(:
Hmmm... I'll chime my two cents in and kinda fill your email boxes.
I initially joined this list because of The Orb, but I also did enjoy the
KLF too. If the KLF still were putting out stuff, I'd probably like them
as much as I like The Orb currently. Not to say that I don't like them...
I think splitting the lists is a great idea. It will allow those who only
like one faction to receive what they want. But those who like both may
get caught if cross-posting gets heavy.
Since it takes almost forever to perpetuate a name change on the internet
anymore, why don't we change the klf@asylum address to indicate the new
change? Maybe sheep@asylum, but that might draw the wrong crowd. :)
Such that those not-in-the-know about the list change won't be posting
to klf@asylum about how awesome the new Orb release is, or if we know any
details about it. (aka, the normal flood of activity just before a band
releases something new.)
Anyone? Buehler?
Andrew
-Andrew Bennett
abennett@phoenix.aps.muohio.edu
"It's time to get wize"
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Thu, 31 Mar 1994 16:39:32 -0600 (CST)
KLF remix of DM
I just picked up the American CDS of Depeche Mode's Policy of Truth

track 5 is listed as the Trancenteral Mix.
However, according to the archive, this is not a KLF remix.
Honestly, I don't think is sounds like something the KLF would do.
Does anybody the story behind this?
BTW, whoever did this did an amazing job.
On the issue of the split I have to chime in with whateveryone else is
saying. I joined this one group, the Orb but have started to apreciate
the KLF as a result. More importantly this is going to split our family,
this community that we call transcenteral, of which everyone is a member,
even the lurkers, is never going to be the same again. I am genuilly
sorry to see the split. I can not say that I enjoyed the long
conversations about the serials numbers of rare KLF 12," but once they
are going to gone part of me is going to miss them.
enough eulogizing for one day,
Ran

Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 16:11:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Split Notes
> I joined as a KLF fan and just kind of grew into the Orb. So now I have
> to subscribe to both. (Laz, we _are_ getting digests and bounce forms for
> both lists, right? <nudge nudge> :)
Yes, as far as I know both lists will be available in either digest form
or send-em-as-they-come-in form, and bounces should be properly handled.
To be honest, I don't know many of the technical details yet . . . Pete
Ashdown is doing all the real work on this, and deserves the credit for
making it finally happen.
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Handi-boy <jshiple@media.mit.edu>
klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (Towers of Dub)
Thu, 31 Mar 94 18:14:02 EST
splitting the list
i say split it
-john
(handi)
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Thu, 31 Mar 1994 16:16:15 -0700 (MST)
Split Notes II
Since it takes almost forever to perpetuate a name change on the internet

anymore, why don't we change the klf@asylum address to indicate the new
change? Maybe sheep@asylum, but that might draw the wrong crowd. :)
Such that those not-in-the-know about the list change won't be posting
to klf@asylum about how awesome the new Orb release is, or if we know any
details about it.
Not necessary -- the list is actually changing *machines*. Once things are
in place at xmission, I'm going to set things up to bounce messages to
asylum back the sender with a note about the new list addresses.
As I mentioned before, no one will be automatically moved to the new lists -eveyrone will need to manually subscribe at the new site, set which lists
they're on, whetherh they want digest mode, etc. This should weed out a lot
of people who may be only vaguely interested. DO NOT SEND REQUESTS UNTIL
I TELL YOU TO.
If you know you're reading the list through a retransmitter of some kind,
now would be a good time to make sure that the person in charge of that
retransmitter knows about this upcoming change.
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Thu, 31 Mar 1994 16:20:43 -0700 (MST)
KLF remix of DM
I just picked up the American CDS of Depeche Mode's Policy of Truth

track 5 is listed as the Trancenteral Mix.
However, according to the archive, this is not a KLF remix.
Honestly, I don't think is sounds like something the KLF would do.
Does anybody the story behind this?
BTW, whoever did this did an amazing job.
The last track on the US "PoT" CD5 is actually "Policy Of Truth (pavlov's
dub)", which was mixed by Francois Kevorkian. Sire mislabeled it. The
actual "trancentral mix", mixed by Bill and Jimmy, is on the UK remix
singles (L12/LCD BONG 19) and the Japanese supersingle (Alfa ALCB-110).
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ramano@ARTSCI.WUSTL.EDU (Ran A. Mano)
Thu, 31 Mar 1994 18:23:54 -0500 (EST)
Re: KLF remix of DM
>
> I just picked up the American CDS of Depeche Mode's Policy of Truth
>
> track 5 is listed as the Trancenteral Mix.
> However, according to the archive, this is not a KLF remix.
What happened is, on the US CD for POT, they accidentally switched the
Trancentral mix with another mix (I think Pavlov's dub or something).
So, the Trancentral mix is in fact mixed by the KLF, but that is not
the mix you're hearing on the US CD. It can be found on the Uk CD and
Japanese CD, and maybe elsewhere(?).
Howard
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Thu, 31 Mar 1994 18:35:32 -40962758 (PST)
Re: KLF remix of DM (fwd)
>
> I just picked up the American CDS of Depeche Mode's Policy of Truth
>
> track 5 is listed as the Trancenteral Mix.
> However, according to the archive, this is not a KLF remix.
What happened is, on the US CD for POT, they accidentally switched the
Trancentral mix with another mix (I think Pavlov's dub or something).
So, the Trancentral mix is in fact mixed by the KLF, but that is not
the mix you're hearing on the US CD. It can be found on the Uk CD and
Japanese CD, and maybe elsewhere(?).
>
> Howard
>
It's also the A-side to the "Policy of Truth" LTD 12" (L12BONG19).
It's quite groovy, I must add :)
Cheers..
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KLF Remix (pt II)
Well, after posting a reply for this, I see lazlo already took care
of it quite effectively...I should read all of my mail before
posting....bad apollo, shame on you.....%)
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Thu, 31 Mar 1994 19:43:45 -0700 (MST)
Pommes Frites
Pommes Frittes has been delayed til May 30th. Those of you who have
ordered copies from me, please send me mail and let me know if you
want a refund, or...
As far as the Huge... singles, they will be in my possession next week.
Dave
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Jenifer Gold <n9045725@henson.cc.wwu.edu>

klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Thu, 31 Mar 1994 18:48:27 -0800 (PST)
the orb in seattle?
someone a while ago posted a notice about the orb playing on july 4th in
seattle, washington. unfortunately i forgot to copy down the sender's
name. if you are still on the mailling list (after that nasty little
flame war) please contact me! there is a pocket of us orb junkies up in
bellingham who are dying to know where they are playing. or if anyone
else knows, please share.
email me directly, unless you want to post it to the list.
another victim of ambient smack
jena
geek tip 46: on sunny days, use your computer outside. this way no one
can accuse you of staying inside on such lovely days.
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Thu, 31 Mar 1994 20:58:18 -0600
Re: KLF Remix (pt II)
|Well, after posting a reply for this, I see lazlo already took care
|of it quite effectively...I should read all of my mail before
|posting....bad apollo, shame on you.....%)
I would suggest that quite a number of people on the list have forgotten this.
:) That's another good reason for having a digest format...
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Thu, 31 Mar 94 22:24:33 EST
Re: KLF remix of DM
> > BTW, whoever did this did an amazing job.

Francois Kevorkian's mixes for Depeche Mode's Violator singles are all
absolutely amazing. Check out Enjoy The Silence (Bass line). There used
to be a Kevorkian discography at ftp.uwp.edu, but I don't know if it's
being kept up to date.
> The actual "trancentral mix", mixed by Bill and Jimmy, is on the UK remix
> singles (L12/LCD BONG 19) and the Japanese supersingle (Alfa ALCB-110).
And the US 12", where it is mislabeled as, you guessed it, Pavlov's Dub.
Mike
---------From: hcheng@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Howard Cheng)
To: pashdown@SLACK.SIM.ES.COM (Pete Ashdown)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 23:12:44 -0500 (EST)

Subject: Re: Designers Republic on Internet Holiday
Hello,
Excuse me if this is one post too many concerning DR, but I understand
that Peter Saville (of New Order fame) has recently joined DR, and I
was wondering if the article contained any info on him also?
Please reply in private.
Thanks very much
Howard Cheng
hcheng@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (KLF Mailing List)
Thu, 31 Mar 1994 23:22:39 -0500 (EST)
another press release
Here's another press release - for the White Room:

Howard
The release of the KLF LP "The White Room" is a neat segue from their
number one gold single "3AM Eternal" into another dimension of sound
which are songs written and recorded at various times and places
between 1987 and 1991. These will form part of the soundtrack for the
KLF feature motion picture "The White Room".
The film itself is far from finished; the KLF shot the core of the
film with the profits made from 'that other number one single' and now
are a mere million pounds or so short of completion (potential
investors take note).
All of the nine tracks were written, produced, performed and
programmed by the KLF and the sleeve notes contain copious amounts of
information crediting every additional sound, sample and performance.
There will be a new single released on 8 April, a radical re-recording
of "The Last Train to Trancentral" which will be unrecognisable as the
LP track of the same name. It is a rockin' rave track which completes
the "Stadium Housse Trilogy" after the top fiver "What Time..." and
"3AM...".
Of particular note is the set that the KLF are building for their
video of "Last Train to Trancentral" which will be animated and cut
together with performance footage. The set is "The Land of Mu" and is
a miniaturised (if you call 38 feet by fifteen feet miniature) scale
model of that mystical land where the Justified Ancients roam.
Television and radio guided tours are possible by arrangement with
Appearing. This is hot stuff, guaranteed.
"This is what the KLF are about. Also known as the Justified Ancients
of Mu Mu, further known as the JAMS, once known as the Lords of Time,
and now some say the Kings of the Low Frequencies...."
For ancient justifcation ring Appearing xxxxxxxxxx

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klf@asylum.sf.ca.us
Thu, 31 Mar 94 23:25:47 EST
unsubscribe me
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---------From: "Kelly, Neil" <STNK@MARISTB.MARIST.

moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mario MOELLER)

probably pretty hip to technology, why not a klf.org

Well, if they use an Atari, they must be semi-computer literate. It would

cspas050@edu.eur.nl (M.A. Onstwedder)

rmvrshek@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Robert M. Vrshek)

rmvrshek@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Robert M. Vrshek)

jhsa@ee.tut.fi (Salmij{rvi Janne)

BRAD SHELTON <941SHELTON@MERLIN.NLU.EDU>

krieg@ct.med.ge.com (Andrew Krieg 5-5379)

The Grim Northern Bastard <awh3@aber.ac.uk>

Regis C Phelan <phelanre@student.msu.edu>

Regis C Phelan <phelanre@student.msu.edu>

Sorry to waste bandwidth but I think this is a very good cause

their opposition to the Clipper proposal.

Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:24:53 -0500 (EST)

Regis C Phelan <phelanre@student.msu.edu>

David Eschatfische <2609COWEND@vmsf.csd.mu.edu>

| Sorry to waste bandwidth but I think this is a very good cause

rmvrshek@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Robert M. Vrshek)

In message <01MAR94.19204533.0344.MUSIC@MARISTB>, "Kelly, Neil" writes:

Flame? You? YES!!!

prabhu@cs.umass.edu (Rajesh Prabhu)

Well, according to the friendly folks at the neighborhood music store,

David Steinhart <angst@psych.colorado.edu>

moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mario MOELLER)

moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mario MOELLER)

Mario MOELLER wrote:

David Steinhart <angst@psych.colorado.edu>

It's my buddy Onstwedder!

Groovy Dave <camde933@uidaho.edu>

Well, I'll throw in my bit of musical knowledge here....the BPM's

Groovy Dave <camde933@uidaho.edu>

Actually, I was using an Edison Wax cylinder...Why, do you have

lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)

moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mario MOELLER)

Stephen Degnan <S.R.DEGNAN@dundee.ac.uk>

Mark Dobie <mrd@ecs.soton.ac.uk>

jhsa@ee.tut.fi (Salmij{rvi Janne)

pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)

Martin Smith <mbs@ns.ph.liv.ac.uk>

is this the address for subscriptions?

if not, what is?

Michael Entler <mentler@calvin.linfield.edu>

On Wed, 2 Mar 1994, Mario MOELLER wrote:

Michael Entler <mentler@calvin.linfield.edu>

On Wed, 2 Mar 1994 dlkung@MEDIA.MIT.EDU wrote:

Hehe - this is quite funny actually!

mark turner, i lost your address. please contact me.

Hehe - this is quite funny actually!

John Clawson <JCLAWSON@DREW.DREW.EDU>

TO: Remote Addressee

04-Mar-1994 08:26pm EST

Subject: CMJ Mention...

lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)

Douglas Wolk <dbcloud@panix.com>

On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, Lazlo Nibble wrote:

donpierr@netcom.com (Don Gray)

Robert Sink <sinkr@universe.digex.net>

Gordon Bell <gbel@dcs.ed.ac.uk>

shredder@ai.mit.edu (Ian Melven)

I just got Killing Joke's 'Laugh? I nearly bought one!' compilation..

Brian Hostetler <bhostetl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>