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why to do releasing the moments for the beams in staad pro?


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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:05 am
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hello dears
some staad pro users are releasing the beams in concrete structures..hence,my points concern
are:
1.when do we need to release them?
2.According to which code or specification are identified?
thanks

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suresh_kumar

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:56 pm

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Dear Mr Ameer
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For RCC structure


Release of end moments may be avoided in RCC structures since beams and slabs has been
casted monolithic there will be good rigidity at the ends of secondary beams also.
Some of designers release the moments of secondary beams
Even in KSA SEC practice they are not accepting relaese of end moments in any case,
For Steel structure
Normally end connection of beams may be Shear connection and moment connections.
Connection of beams between column will be moment connection.In this case release of beams
shall be avoided.
Connection of beams between main beams will be shear connection.In this case release of beams
shall be practiced.
Regards
N. Suresh kumar

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es_jayakumar

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:26 pm

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In the case of a secondary beam framing into a main beam, how can we see that no moment from
the secondary beam is transferred to the main beam as torsion ? Can it be achieved by not
providing 'L' at the end of the top bars of the secondary beam, at the joint ?
Regards,

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ammer

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:38 pm

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many thanks for all.......it's clear. thanks again


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es_jayakumar

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:43 am

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Dear SEFIans,
I am looking for an answer to my above question. Kindly provide me with clarification.
Regards,

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E S Jayakumar

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Yogesh.Pisal

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:19 am

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Dear All,
I have following opinion in this regard.
Following are the reasons to Release of moments

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1. Whenever we are providing shear connection - This is mostly applicable in case of STEEL
structures
2. Whenever we want to design secondary beam for full moment - This is applicable for STEEL
as well as RC structures

My understanding about release of moments of secondary beams in RC structure


Mechanism: If we are not releasing secondary beams

1. If we have not released secondary beam ends then it will behave more like a fixed end
beam (may be partially restrained at ends)
2. This way it will produce moments at the supports
3. This moment will be transferred to main beam as a torsional moment
4. Thus we are reducing span moment of secondary beam, hence partial moment we are
allowing to redistribute to supports

What we should do - Design the secondary beam for full moment so that there wont be any
moment redistribution to supports
Mechanism: If we are releasing secondary beam ends

1. If we will design the secondary beam for full moment (e.g. wl2/8 or Wl/4) then there will
not be any redistribution of moment to supports as the beam (or we can say secondary
beam) is designed to resist full moment
2. Hence, we are releasing the ends just to ensure adequate design of secondary beams
3. Further, when we are releasing secondary beams - We are not considering the torsional
moment in the design of main beams.
4. Hence, main beam will not allow any torsion and whenever torsion will come due to
detailing then it will rotate slightly (minor rotation) and entire moment will be resisted by
secondary beam as span moment.
5. Practically there will be mixed behavious: But I will say we are assuming the load path for

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design and entire purpose of the release to create adequate strength in the system

Further, this is my understanding and views of the others can be different.


I will like to correct myself if I am wrong in the understanding.
Regards,
Yogesh Pisal
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es_jayakumar

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:32 am

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What mechanism should we adopt at the secondary beam ends to ensure that no moment is
transferred to the main beam by making the secondary beam act as a purely simply supported
beam with zero end moments ? Or can it be achieved by providing the bottom steel required for
the simply supported bending moment of

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Wl2 / 8 and just keeping two stirrup holders only at top ?

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E S Jayakumar
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Yogesh.Pisal

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:55 pm

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Dear Er Jayashankar,
My opinion - There is no need to change the detailing, as we are relying on the stiffness of the
secondary beam itself for resisting the forces.
But, as a we can provide normal anchorage (i.e. we need not go for full development length) for
the reinforcement and purpose for the same is to resist the shear only. There is no need to worry
about the moment which beam will attract by virtue of its stiffness, as this will be an additional
cushion in the design.
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Further, I will like to inform that this is my understanding and there can difference of opinion.
Regards,
Yogesh Pisal

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es_jayakumar

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:30 pm

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I feel, unless the secondary beam ends are designed to behave as nearly, if not entirely (which
may be impossible for an RCC beam), a hinge, it would distribute some end moments to the main
beam as torsion. My doubt is that can we achieve the partial hinge condition (that transfer full
shear force and near to zero bending moment) by restricting to the minimum the anchorage of
the top and bottom bars of the secondary beams to the main beam, alone ?
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Regards,
E S Jayakumar

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Yogesh.Pisal

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:07 pm

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Dear Er Jayakumar,
I too agree with you that it is impossible to detail Secondary RC beam as simply supported.
I propose to design the secondary beam for full moment and primary beam by neglecting torsion.
This way whenever some moment will be induced at the end of secondary beam there will be little
rotation (or minor cracks) in the primary beam which can be allowed.

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Thus we are allowing the support to rotate. This way primary beam will not absorb any moment /
torsion and secondary beam will be forced to take additional moment for which we have designed.
Note that some torsion still get transferred to the main beam, but in my opinion it is just
additional safety.
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Regards,
Yogesh Pisal

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