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Most of the children of gays and lesbians who have filed court briefs in gay marriage cases say their parents inability to marry has deprived them of legal protections
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By Cheryl Wetzstein (/staff/cheryl-wetzstein/) - The Washington Times - Thursday, January 8, 2015

Most of the children of gays and lesbians who have filed court briefs in same-sex marriage cases say their
parents inability to marry has deprived them of legal protections and hampered them from living their
otherwise typical lives.
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But four adult children of gay parents acting as a quartet of truth have submitted briefs to the 5th U.S.
Circuit (/topics/circuit/)Court of Appeals (/topics/court-of-appeals/) opposing same-sex marriages, with several
saying that growing up under the rainbow was neither normal nor pleasant. The court (/topics/court-ofappeals/), which is considering whether to uphold the man-woman marriage laws in Texas, Louisiana and
Mississippi, will hear arguments in New Orleans on Friday.
There are two rights that every child shares when they arrive in this world, Katy Faust (/topics/katy-faust/)
wrote in her brief. First, the right to live. Second, the right to have a relationship with his/her father and
mother.

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Dawn Stefanowicz (/topics/dawn-stefanowicz/) said her gay father was so preoccupied with sex that when she
was in high school and brought home a male classmate, both her father and his lover propositioned him for
sex.
B.N. Klein (/topics/n-klein/) said her mother and lesbian partner disdained heterosexual families completely,
and she didnt have a clue about the daily interactions of a husband and wife until she went into foster care.
Robert Oscar Lopez (/topics/robert-oscar-lopez/) said his two lesbian mothers were conscientious about his
upbringing, but he became so emotionally confused that he turned to gay prostitution as a teen and gay and
bisexual relationships as an adult.
Gay families typical
In at least 12 court battles, advocacy groups like Family Equality Council (/topics/family-equality-council/) and
COLAGE (/topics/colage/) have filed testimonies in support of same-sex marriage and gay parenting. COLAGE
(/topics/colage/) is a national organization for and by people with lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender
(LGBT) parents.
Families led by same-sex parents are typical American families, with the same joys and challenges as families
led by heterosexual parents, the groups said in their voices of the children brief to the 5th Circuit
(/topics/circuit/), citing testimonies from more than 12 children and adults raised by same-sex parents.
But state bans on gay marriage are causing them needless stigmatization and humiliation and deny their
families legal protections and stability, they wrote.
Our families should be recognized simply because we are humans with the same rights as everyone else. We
are families, and treatment of us as anything else is discrimination, Anna Frackman (/topics/anna-frackman/),
a student at Harvard Medical School, wrote to the 5th Circuit (/topics/circuit/).
Will Miller, 28, told the court (/topics/court-of-appeals/) that when he was growing up in Mississippi with his
two mothers, they made it very clear he was not to lie or hide his life with them.
Mr. Miller went on to join the varsity swim team and excelled in college, thanks to his mothers, who are both
biologists.
They loved me, and that was all that mattered. Its all that should matter, Mr. Miller wrote. My childhood
was extraordinary in that it was simply ordinary.
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GregHalvorson 9daysago

ThehomosexualmovementisafascistmovementwhoseultimategoalistosilenceandmarginalizeChristianmarital
doctrineandunderminethestabilizingeffectsoftraditionalfamilyparadigms.
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JaythePETAman>GregHalvorson 9daysago

Thesepeople(thegays)arementallysickandneedourprayers,andtoseethatthesin(homosexuality),isa
sin,andcanonlybecuredbyJesus(themasterphysician).
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going1234>JaythePETAman 9daysago

Theirgoalistohavetheirperversiontreatedasnormal.Ifyoudonotagreetheyattackyourbusiness
Justaskthebaker,photographer,PastorsinHoustonaftertheirfruitloopmayorwentafterthem.
Donotspeakoutagainsttheperversionoryouwillbeattacked.
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dark477>going1234 9daysago

I'lltellthemtoFOLLOWTHELAW.Honestlywhyisthisaconceptyouhavetroublegrasping?
Ifyoubreakthelawyoumustfacetheconsequences.
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GregDay>dark477 7daysago

SinceWHENdoesaPRIVATEbusinessownerNOThavetheRIGHT,allowedBYLAW,to
refuseservicetoANYONE!???!!!
ManybusinessesI'vevisitedthroughtheyearshaveasignpostedprominentlywhichsays
justthat...
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dark477>GregDay 7daysago

Thosesignsmeantheycankickyououtformakingascene,stealingornotobservingthe
dresscodebutyoucannotturnsomeoneawaybecauseoftheirrace,religionandinsome
statessexualordination
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KathiMR>dark477 7daysago

Buttheyhaven'tbeenturnedawaybecauseiftheirsexualorientation.Ratheritwasbeing
askedtousetheircreativetalentsinsupportingsamesexualrelationships,contrarytotheir
faith.
Mostormanyhadpreviouslyservesthesamesexualcouplesasregularcustomers.They
didn'tasktheirsexualorientation.Sotheywerenotdiscriminatingonthebasisofsexual
orientation!
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orientation!
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dark477>KathiMR 7daysago

itdoesn'tmatter.theyprovideservicesforweddings,thatmeanstheycan'tdenyanygroup
thoseservicesevenifitgoesagainsttheir"faith"
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KathiMR>dark477 7daysago

Sorry,the1stamendmentguaranteesfreeexerciseofreligionaswellasfreespeech.theway
youput"faith"inquotesshowsyourdemeaningofthefundamentalconstitutionalrightsof
religiousfreedomonwhichthiscountrywasfounded!Thatsupersedeslocallaws,whichmust
complywtheconstitution.IntheHobbyLobbycase,SCOTUSsettheprecedentthatclosely
heldbusinessescanhavereligiousfreedomrights.
Anythingelsemakesamockeryofreligiousfreedomrightsasdoesyourposition!LGBT
activistsseemtotakeapositiononreligiousfreedomakintowhatCommunistgovtsdid
minimizing&restrictingit.Butwearenotacommunistnation.
LGBTactivistspositionwouldrestrictreligiousfreedombyrestrictingthetypesofbusinesses
peopleoffaithcouldoperate.ThatisNOTreligiousfreedom!
NowtherearesomebusinessesthatmostChristianswouldlikelysayarenotconsistentw
beingaChristiansuchasastripclub,bar,anAbercrombie&Fitchstore,etc.
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dark477>KathiMR 7daysago

freedomofreligionmeansthatyouarefreetoworshipnotthatyoucanput"butmyreligion
says?infrontofsomethingandthatgiveyoutherighttofloutthelaw.
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KathiMR>dark477 7daysago

Sorry,thatisNOTwhatfreeexerciseofreligionis.YoudoNOTgettodefinemyfreeexercise
ofmyfaith!BiblicallyspeakingforaChristianbeliever,ourfaithisintertwinedwourlives!Your
argumentwouldlockreligiousfreedomupintoachurchbuildingorotherspecificplaceof
worship.ButthatisthewayCommunist&othertotalitariangovtstreatreligiousfreedom.That
isNOTwhatismeantintheUSConstitution!
Yourdefinitionwouldmakefreeexerciseofreligiousfaithmeaningless.Ourfaithisapartofour
work&businesslives.Youwouldlimitthatthotoineffectlimittheoccupationsthatpeopleof
faithcouldengagein.&asyoukeepdemandingmore&moreinventedrightsthatareNOTin
theconstitution,youareseekingtoatthesametimelimittherightsoffreeexerciseofreligion&
freespeechguaranteedinthe1stamendment.
TherearecertainbusinessesthatmostChristianswouldsayareincompatiblewourfaithsuch
assaystripclubs&thelike.OrworkingatAbercrombie&Fitchwhichisknownfortheir
sexuallysuggestiveads.
ThoselawshavetoconformtotheUSconstitution&notabridgetherightstheconstitution
guarantees.SCOTUSalreadydeclaredintheHobbyLobbycasethatcloselyheldbusinesses
canhavereligiousfreedomrights!
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ToppCatt>KathiMR 4daysago

Thebibleteachesmenottobeapartakerinothermenssins.Sono.toforcemetotakepart
orhostagayanythingwouldbeaviolationofmyreligiousexercise.
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aislander>KathiMR 6daysago

Andyouknowdarnwellthathobbylobbyhadnothingtodowithavendorprovidinggoodsand
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servicestothepublic.Theprecedentscoveringsuchvendorsissolid,wideanddeepYou
lose,justasalloftheseantigaybusinesseshavelost.Every.Single.Time.
Untilyoucanproduceasinglecaseofavendorprevailingusingyourargumentyoursimply
blowingworthlesssmoke,nothingmore.
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KathiMR>aislander 6daysago

Don'tbesocondescending.Youarejustbasicallytellingmethatyoudon'tcareaboutthe1st
amendment!
&youdon'treadverywelleitherwhatIsaidabouttheHobbyLobbycase.Iwillrepeatittosee
ifyoucanunderstanditthistime!Contrarytoyours&other'sargumentsthatbusinessescan't
claim1stamendmentreligiousfreedom,thatcaseshowedthattheycan.Sureitwas
unfortunatelyverynarrow,butitdidsetthatprecedent&showthatabusinesscouldclaim
thoserights.
Youdon'tseemtograspthatbusinessesareownedbypeoplewhohavethoserights
guaranteed.
Youkeeprepeatingyourselfaboutlaws,asthotheyaremoreimportantthantheUS
constitution.Ofcoursehomosexualsareinconsistentonthat.Theypick&choose&then
manyofthedecisionsitturnsouthavebeenbybiasedjudgesliketheoneinFLwhoshould
bedisbarredfornotrecusinghimselforherselffromasamesexmarriagecase.Thejudge
liftedastay&thenpromptlymarried4couples.Notexactlyanunbiasedjudge,whateveryour
perspectiveotherwiseontheissue.
&thesebusinessesarenotantigay.AnotherLGBTlie.Don'tknowwhichstateyouarein,but
IknowinacurrentcaseinWAwaflorist,shewasfairlygoodfriendswatleastoneofthemen
&knewbothofthem.Shewasdefinitelynotagainstthem,butcouldnotsupporttheirmarriage
byprovidingflowers,thoshewasgladtoprovideotherflowersforthem.
Thesethingsarenotatalldoneinhatredorbeingagainstpeoplewhoidentifyashomosexual.
I'msorryyoucannotcomprehendhowtodisagree,butyetstillcareforaperson.&itsnotthat
anyofusareanybetterthananyoneelse.But,justasthoseLGBTbakersrefusedtobakea
cakethatsupportedtraditionalmarriage(&unlikeLGBTthatwantstoforceotherstotheirwill,
mostChristiansareconsistent&justaswedon'twanttobeforcedtoviolateourdeeplyheld
biblicalviews,wealsodon'texpectotherstobeforcedtogoagainsttheirdeeplyheldviews!It
wouldbeniceifLGBTpeoplecouldcometounderstandtrue&realtolerancenotjusttalking
aboutitbutignoringitinpractice!)
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RosechLevy>KathiMR 5daysago

Don'targuewithastupid,ignorantinflatedballoon.Heisjustrattlingbonesandhasnologicnor
knowsAmerica,itsConstitution,BillofRightsandDeclarationofIndependencebuthisown
wishfulthinkingandperverteddesires.Hewillsinkonhisownlackofcommonsense.
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aislander>KathiMR 6daysago

OfcourseIcareabouttheU.S.Constitution.Whenyougetoneofthelawsprohibiting
discriminationonthebasisofsexualorientationbyplacesofpublicaccommodationdeclared
unconstitutionalbySCOTUS,orevenwinasingle(yessingle)caseupholdingsuch
discrimination,youletusknow.Otherwiseyouaresimplyblowingmeaninglesspersonal
opinionwithsquattobackyouup.You'rerightIkeeptalkingaboutlawandprecedentbecause
itisclearthatyourargumentistotalBS.
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KathiMR>aislander 6daysago

ThisisnotdiscriminationexceptinfactagainstChristians&possiblyotherpeopleoffaith
whosecivilrightsarebeingviolated.These"antidiscrimination"lawsofthistypewno

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whosecivilrightsarebeingviolated.These"antidiscrimination"lawsofthistypewno
provisionforreligiousexemptionendupmakingamockeryoffreespeech&freeexerciseof
religion.
Contrarytothemisrepresentationsonthis,itisNOTaboutthesexualorientationofcustomers.
Ratherisisaboutbeingforcedtouseonescreativetalentsinsupportofwhatoneopposes.
&wecanalsoseewhoaretherealhatersthosewhoseemtothinkitisfinetotrytoforce
otherstoviolatetheirconsciencefortheirconvenience.Misleadingargumentsareused,
comparingthistothecivilrightsera.Butthatisnotthesame,Normallyraceisobvious&
innate.Whiletheyarguethattheywereborn"gay"&thattheydon'thaveanychoice,theyalso
workhardtosuppressanyotherviewsonthis.Formerhomosexualsareshunned.Somehad
invitationstoperformatMLKanniversarycelebrationsrevokedwhenitcameouttheperson
wasexgay.Whoopscan'thavethatinpublic.Itmightunderminetheirargument.
TheyalsoaretryingtogetanewshowthatshowsatleastacoupleoftypicalMormonfamilies
exceptthatinbothcasesthehusbandsareattractedtoothermen,butchosetomarrya
woman&haveanormalfamilywoppositesexparents&children.Whoops,can'thavethat.
Mightgivesomeoneideas.
Sothesesupposedlyverytolerantfolks,arethemselvesveryintolerantofthosewhodon'tgo
alongwtheirviewofhowpeoplewsexualidentityconfusionshoulddealwit.Intheirviewit
seemsthatanyonedealingwconfusionabouttheirsexualidentifyshouldjustrecognizethat
theyaregay&comeout.Totallyintoleranceforanyotherchoicesonemightmakeaboutthis!
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batcountry1>KathiMR 3daysago

Whaaawhaaaawe'resoharddoneby!We'resodiscriminatedagainstthatonlyourholydays
arenationalholidays!Whaaaaaa.
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shackled>KathiMR 4daysago

IfmyreligionsaysinterracialmarriageisagainstthewillofGod,canIrefusetobakeacakefor
ablackman/whitewomancouple?Afterall,Iamnotdiscriminatingagainstthecouplebecause
oftheirrace,IammerelynotusingmycreativetalentsinsupportofwhatIoppose.
Seehowridiculousyourargumentisifyouapplyitconsistently?
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ToppCatt>shackled 4daysago

Sodomyisaconductandsexual''orientation"shouldneverhavebeenincludedasaprotected
classascolorofskinis.itwasagravemistake.NowhereinthewordofGoddoesitsaythatit
isanabomiantiontohaveblackskin.
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stephaniewilson>ToppCatt 3daysago

gotthatright!!
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batcountry1>ToppCatt 3daysago

Keepyourchurchoutofthestate.
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Freethinker01>batcountry1 adayago

Ifpeopleoffaithcan'tusetheirvaluestomoldsociety,thenneithercanyou.
Keepyouratheist,humanist,etal.valuesoutofthestate.
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BlueSonicStreak>Freethinker01 21hoursago
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BlueSonicStreak>Freethinker01 21hoursago

Ifyouseparatechurchandstate,howonearthdoyouthinklawswillbedecideduponwithout
secularhumanistvalues?No,no,let'sjustletanarchyreign.
Moron.

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KathiMR>shackled 4daysago

Actually'I'mabitLibertarianonthat&itisn'tridiculous.Ihavenoproblemwinterracial
marriage.InfactIhavefamilymembersininterracialmembers&friendsininterracial
marriages.Howeverbarringcompellinggovtinterest,govtshouldnotinterfere.Compelling
interestmightbeifthosepeoplesufferedrealdifficultyinfindingplacestoprovidethemwthe
desiredservices.
ThatwouldbeamorematureADULTwayofdealingwsuchissues.Respecttheviewsof
othersratherthanthrowingahissyfitortantrumbecausesomeonesaidsomethingordid
somethingyoudidn'tlike.
Tolerant,matreadultscanagreetodisagree&nottrytoforcetheirviewsontoothers!(Not
surewhymyiPadautocorrectiscomingupwFrench!Thatwassupposedtobemature.)
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LeilaniMaldonado>shackled 4daysago

Yes,youcan.ItworkslikethisAandB,theinterracialcouple,gotoBakerCtoaskfora
weddingcake.BakerC,thoughheisfriendswithAandB,sincerelybelievesthatit'swrongfor
AandBtomarryeachother.Heishappytoofferthemanyothercake,justnotawedding
cakeforaninterracialmarriage.Granted,mostpeoplearoundhimwillthinkhewasmorally
wrongtorefusetheweddingcake,butiftheytrytoforcehimtogoagainsthissincerelyheld
beliefs,theyaretreadingonhisFirstAmendmentrights.ThewritersoftheConstitutionnever
saidorimpliedthataparticularreligiousfreedomwasonlytobeprotectedwhenthemajority
agreedwiththatreligion.
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stephaniewilson>aislander 3daysago

theonlyidiotswhokeepspoutingb.s.arepervertslikeyou.
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DavidReedy>aislander adayago

YoucareabouttheConstitution?Well,you'vedoneaknockupjobofapplyingthefirst
amendmentwhenitappliestoyourpointofview,butnotwhenitwouldsupportaviewyou
don'tlike...However,I'dLovetoyourthoughtsonthe10thamendment.

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shackled>KathiMR 4daysago

DoMuslimshaveafirstamendmentrighttobombbuildingsbecausetheirreligionsaysso?
Howcanyoubanthemfromdoingsuchacts?Youareviolatingtheirreligiousfreedom!!
The1stamendmentispartofalargerconstitution.Religiouslibertyextendsonlysofarasthe
rightsofothersarenotharmed.Prohibitingsamesexmarriageharmssamesexcouplesand
deniesthemtheconstitutionalrightsofequalprotection.Therefore,religionisnoexcuseto
upholdthesebans.Simpleasthat.
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KathiMR>shackled 4daysago

Youareshowingyourignoranceofpreviouscasesonthis.Thegvtissupposedtohavea
compellinginterestiftheyhaveanyregulationsthatinterferewthefreeexerciseofreligion.
Stoppingmurder&terrorismobviouslyarecompellinggovtinterests..
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LeilaniMaldonado>shackled 4daysago

Notassimpleasthat,becauseyoujustcomparedaweddingcaketoabomb.Byrefusinga
weddingcake,youaredeprivingacouplethechancetobuyacakefromyou,butnot
preventingthemfrombuyingacakeanywhereelse(notsureifyou'venoticed,butthereare
lotsofbakersaround).Bybombingabuilding,youareirrevocablydeprivingthepeopleinside
thebuildingtheopportunitytocontinuetolive.Oneinvolvesamatterofopinion,theother
involvesaresultcrime.Seehowthey'redifferent?
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stephaniewilson>shackled 3daysago

applestooranges
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Anonymous>dark477 6daysago

Actuallythat'sprotectedundertheFirstAmendment,youdolt.Notverybrightareyou?Listen
gayride,thisisaCHRISTIANcountry.Ifyoudon'tlikethewaywe(themajorityofusnormal
folks)runthings,youaremorethanwelcomedtomoveelsewhere.Otherwise,dealwithit.
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dark477>Anonymous 6daysago

Thisisanationoflawsandnoitisn'tprotected.noreligionhastherighttoignorethelaw.
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Anonymous>dark477 6daysago

You'redelusional.Ourfreedomofspeech&religionareprotectedundertheFirstAmendment.
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dark477>Anonymous 6daysago

Anddespitethewhiningofthechristensantidiscriminationlawsdon'tviolatethem.
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Anonymous>dark477 6daysago

That'sbecausereligionisaprotectedclass.Sexualorientationisn't.
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dark477>Anonymous 6daysago

Dependsonthestate.
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Anonymous>dark477 6daysago

TheFirstAmendmentappliestoALLstates.SorrytoseeyoufailedGovernment101
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dark477>Anonymous 6daysago

Andantidiscriminationlawsaren'taviolationofanyamendmentsintheConstitution.Youidiots
seemtothinkthatfreedomspeechmeansyoucansayanythingfreeofconsequencesand
thatfreedomofreligionmeansyoucanstabsomeoneinthestreetandwalkawayjustby
saying"religiousfreedom".
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stephaniewilson>dark477 3daysago

thefirst.nicetry.
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dark477>stephaniewilson 3daysago

TellittotheSupremeCourt
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aislander>Anonymous 2daysago

Inmanystatesandfurtherlocaljurisdictions,SexualOrientationismostcertainlyaprotected
class.Andconductingabusinessopentothepublicisnotprotectedreligiousactivity.That's
whyallthesebusinesseseitherhavelostorarelosingtheircases.Notonehasprevailed.

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stephaniewilson>dark477 3daysago

wrong
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dark477>stephaniewilson 3daysago

How?
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stephaniewilson>dark477 3daysago

how?manyofusjusttoldyou
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dark477>stephaniewilson 3daysago

Andthey'reallwrong.
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stephaniewilson>dark477 3daysago

no.youare
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