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Return of the Jedi: Five Questions with a Neigong

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neigong (pronounced nay-gung): the science of observing, strengthening and directing bio-energy,
or chi.
A repository of extraordinary skills such as telekinesis, pyrogenesis, telepathy,
remote viewing and levitation, the esoteric Eastern school known as Mo-Pai
has been described as a real-life order of Jedi Knights. Some have even
speculated that its history inspired George Lucas script for Attack of the
Clones.
Among the ancient neigong lineages still in existence today, the Mo-Pai is
characterized by an unusual openness. The school and its headmaster, known
by the alias John Chang, has been the subject of two recent books and a
video documentary.
Jim McMillan, who identifies himself as a longtime disciple of John Chang,
has graciously agreed to share a few of his experiences with Martial
Development readers:
How did you first become acquainted with the esoteric practice of neigong?
My long-standing relationship with martial arts had become a dead-end journey. I recognized that the
mentality of most practitioners, systems and schools is very self-centered: practitioners believe only
their style is completely capable, and that any student can reach the level of past masters.
That is why I took my training in another direction around 1988, give or take a year. After taking a
seminar from a Brazilian Jujitsu guy (cant remember his name), I realized that I had wasted years of my
time training in Taekwondo and Hapkido. I was easily defeated. It was a wake up call.
After taking some more classes, I tried combining BJJ with my previous styles, but this didnt make me
feel any better. I was getting too old, bored of the practice and physically tired. I realized it was also time
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to move over, for younger men to take over my martial arts school.
One evening, I was watching TV and saw a documentary called Ring of Fire. I
heard a call deep within my soul. It was an inner compulsion that I had never felt
before. I knew instantaneously that I had to find this man, who could perform
these strange things.
After two years of researching, I finally decided to just go. A week and a half
later, I found my teacher in a city of three million on the other side of the world.
It is often said that a traditional master will test an aspirants character and
resolve, before deciding whether to accept them as a disciple. Did you face
any such trials, or were you accepted immediately?
I wish the custom you speak of were true. However, thrill of being accepted by
Pak (master) John Chang made up for any apparent absence of traditional testing.
Upon my arrival, it took me all of two weeks to locate John. I could only meet with him for a few minutes
before I had to return to the airport, and catch my return flight home! Due to the rush, we had little time
for formalities. I found that Pak John was modern in many respects, and very traditional in few others.
I didnt know what to expect from a culture I was totally unaccustomed with. At our first meeting, Pak
John was grabbed my arm unexpectedly and told me to flex it, to see if I had enough strength for the
training. After that he said, Ill accept you. And that was that.
In the beginning and according to Asian custom, I was prepared to sit in front of the masters house, and
patiently for him to answer my questions. But I didnt have to, thank God!
What preconceived notions about qigong/neigong masters or methods, if any, has your personal
experience since proven incorrect?
In the Mo Pai, there is a vital link between the present and the past. I refer to my
teachers current relationship with his own (long dead) master, who visits at Pak
Johns request during the Chinese New Year.
They speak on matters that I am not privy to, as I am not conversant in Indonesian,
nor am I at the level where I can hear the spirit directly. However, the masters
spirit demonstrates visually that he does exist and is present at these meetings.
My neigong
training has brought
fulfillment in ways
I never anticipated,
and I now see life
in a totally different
way.
To be honest I was willing to do whatever it took (except for one thing) to become
a student, and attain certain abilities that I had personally seen. While on my journey, I have found a new
sense of profound awareness about my relationship with my creator, God. I did not expect such a thing
would happen.
What sacrificestime, effort, money, et ceteraare required of a student in the Mo Pai? How do
these demands compare to your previous experience in various martial arts schools?
Actually, the sacrifices come naturally, as they would in pursuit of any other sincere interest we have. But
yes, there are sacrifices, and I have made some that were life changing.
I am frequently asked about the sex issue (conserving jing). While my normal male hunger remains
fully charged, my deep desire has become less focused on sex, and on future goals. I was glad to discover
I could actually exert control over my natural instincts! I found that I didnt have to be a slave to my
instincts, which really made me feel better about myself.
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Initially, I tried to stay single, and did so for over ten years. However, this took a toll on me, in the form of
loneliness and depression. Later, I married.
Building up the
dantian isnt what
most people think.
You are not
guaranteed great
health.
My wife and son have tolerated the time spent on trips and in training. I try to
practice when they are in bed, in the early morning or late evening; this way I have
avoided too much trouble.
Money wasnt a big issue for me initially, since I remained single for so long. Now
that I am married, money is more of an issue. Prior to marriage I usually spent a
little over three thousand dollars yearly to visit my teacher. However, the cost has
sharply risen since I last visited.
How has this training affected your physical and emotional health? Has it made your life easier, or
harder?
My health actually improved since I started in neigong. The deep breathing in our first level of training is
actually very beneficial, as many of you already know. However, being that we all are very different, the
effects/results will show differently in each of us.
I actually overcame a very severe back problem, and became so healthy that I went many years without
missing a single day of work.
I also attribute my improved heath to maturity. You come to recognize a larger picture in life than what
you had before. During the earlier period of my martial arts training, I always seemed to have some kind
of ailment I had to heal or deal with, but I found in the later years that my meditation helped not only my
physical condition, but my sparring as well. Still, this wasnt enough to convince me to continue with
martial arts.
My neigong training has brought fulfillment in ways I never anticipated, and I now see life in a totally
different way. It caused me to understand my relationship with my Lord God as never before. It was like I
was somehow infused with knowing himwithout intentionally seeking this knowledge. This had a great
impact upon my emotional state, and helped me through my prior depressive condition I had been
struggling with.
Meditation is a very healthy thing to do, both physically and mentally. Your eyes are opened to aspects
you wouldnt ordinarily see.
Building up the dantian isnt what most people think. You are not guaranteed great health. In fact, a few
Western students became ill from training incorrectly. Although I dont have concrete evidence, my
observations suggest that if one has greed, power or any other negative desire in his heart, they will have
health problems.
Many readers are interested in learning more about neikung, but dont know where to start. Do you
have any advice to offer?
Concerning admittance into the Mo Pai, I must always discuss every proposal with my teacher. Not
everyone can be admitted. Nevertheless, anyone can contact me, and I will try to reply to everyone.
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144 responses so far
Dojo Rat // Sep 17, 2008
What I find interesting and compelling is that he found the God- within himself.
No Church, religous dogma etc.
Thanks for this interesting post
chris // Sep 17, 2008
Hi Im realy interested in neigong how do i contact

jim mcmillan thank you
please reply
Chris // Sep 17, 2008
Unless or until Jim leaves public contact information here, you may post your questions below. (He
has left his email address on other posts, but I will let him decide when and where to repost it.) Jim
is not the only Mo-Pai member listening, by the way.
Spartan // Sep 18, 2008
HI, Jim is it possible to for you to email me at .spartanarbitor@yahoo.com
Jeremy // Sep 18, 2008
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Dear Jim,
I remember seeing the demonstrations by Pak John Chang as a young child and having the image
stick with me to this day. I also remember the feeling when I heard that he was not longer teaching
or accepting students not good! Reading this has given me a feeling that I might too be as
fortunate as you one day. If you get the time to pass on your contact details, I would really
appreciate it!
Thanks,
Jeremy
Mindlezz1 // Sep 18, 2008
Hi Jim, its a pleasure meeting you and thank you for sharing your incredible experiences. Im not
really sure what to say or even how to ask but I am very interested in contacting you. If you have
the time would you be so kind as to shoot me an email?
dpumpernickels@yahoo.com
chris // Sep 19, 2008
Hi Jim its Chris here any chance of a email

id appreciate it thank you
Uzo // Sep 19, 2008
Hi Chris,
I would appreciate it greatly if you could forward my interest on to Jim in regards to learning
Neigong. My email address is:
dukeswharf (at) gmail (dot) com
Peace & Blessings
Uzo
Mindlezz1 // Sep 19, 2008
Jim is a very busy but kind hearted man. He will reply soon enough
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Daniel // Sep 22, 2008
Hi Jim my name is Daniel and I dont if you read these emails or not but I was hoping and
wondering if you could share some more of your wisdom and expiernces of neigong. Please feel
free to email me at d.rome@tmail.com or dnl_rome@yahoo.com thanks it would be GREATLEY
apperciated and valued
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Ikigai // Sep 22, 2008
Quite interesting! I hadnt heard of this gentleman before now.
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Sydney Familiar // Sep 23, 2008
Thank you for posting this! Will there be a part II to this brief interview? I would also like to
contact Jim when possible.
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Chris // Sep 23, 2008
Sydney, none of the other professed Mo-Pai members I conversed with have been as forthcoming as
Jim McMillan. Mo-Pai is not the only living neigong school, however, so maybe I will eventually
write more on this subject. Though, actually, I have mixed feelings about doing so.
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Tony // Sep 24, 2008
Aloha Jim McMillan,

I live in Honolulu, Hawaii. I am a long time student of life and continue to be. All the material I
have seen on Sifu JC or the Mo-pai continue to not only intrigue, but strike a chord inside of me. As
a Thai-Chinese, I would like to embrace that Taoist part of my heritage, but have yet to encounter a
chance. If you have time, would you email me at:
t o n y @ f r e s h m a n g 0. n e t
Thank you,
Tony
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Tony // Sep 24, 2008
Sorry, I was trying to avoid the web crawlers and made a mistake in my email:
it should be (w/o the spaces):
tony@freshmango.net
Thank you again.
Tony
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Martin C. // Sep 25, 2008
Great post! THANK YOU for taking the time to share it with us.
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-Martin C.
http://www.inspiringcinema.com
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Mark // Sep 29, 2008
Hi Jim,
Thank you for sharing. The depth of your life experience can be felt through your words. I would
like to hear more on your opinion on what type of person suceeds in the training as well as the
obsticles you encountered along the path. This would greatly benefit all of us on our journey.
I would love to speak with you more when you find the time since in the not too distant future I
plan on seeking out Pak John Chang as well, hopefully with a little Grace.
Thanks for your time in advance.
Mark
markbartosh@gmail.com
NYC
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William // Oct 6, 2008
Chris,
you have written a number of articles on Mo Pai and John Chang. Why do you now dangle the
carrot in front of people but have hesitations to give more details, when you write:Mo-Pai is not
the only living neigong school, however, so maybe I will eventually write more on this subject.
In the end any practice requires dedication over many years and the guidance of an experienced
master. So giving some general information for those searching honestly should be of any harm,
dont you think.
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Mindless1 // Oct 6, 2008
William, if you are meant to find a teacher you will, if not dont dwell. You can do many a great
things via a good book. Healing promise of Qi for example can help anybody with basic cultivation
and circulation. You may never find someone like John Chang but you can figure things out on your
own. As far as the dangers go, its a myth. In extreme and very rare cases do you ever , EVER get
into danger while training.
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Chris // Oct 6, 2008

Chris, you have written a number of articles on Mo Pai and John Chang. Why do you
now dangle the carrot in front of people but have hesitations to give more details, when
you write:Mo-Pai is not the only living neigong school, however, so maybe I will
eventually write more on this subject.
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I have thus far written nearly three hundred pages on qigong and martial arts, at considerable
personal effort and for trivial compensation. And now you are complaining that I havent done
enough? Seriously?
Mo-Pai is mentioned on maybe four of these pages. I havent mentioned it more often, despite
obvious reader interest, because it is simply not my particular area of expertise. That would be
reason enough not to go into greater detail.
In the end any practice requires dedication over many years and the guidance of an
experienced master. So giving some general information for those searching honestly
should [not] be of any harm, dont you think.
This website is full of general information! Jim and I gave you a free piece of cake here, and you
demand a scoop of ice cream to go with it. Maybe this is how Western students earn a reputation for
ingratitude
Anyway, do you have any specific questions?
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Chris,
please dont misunderstand me.
Your site is great and people are certainly thankful for the information you provide.
But you know that many people are very interested in this topic as you can see from the number of
comments.
And also so far it seems that there are not really any other schools similar to Mopai. But then you
say By the way, I know of one other school. Hmm, shall I let you in on this. I might. But perhaps
better not. If you dont want to share this information, and not even hints, why mention it? Thats
what I meant.
So my specific question is: Which other school is there?
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There are plenty of reasons for sharing this much, and there are plenty of reasons for not sharing
more. To address them briefly here would not do them justice, I think.
Long story short, I recommend you start by reading Qigong Fever.
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Ive come across that book before. Thanks for the recommendation. Ill buy it.
Have you had a look at the master piece on China by Joseph Needham? It seems that in some
volume (I think 5) there is good information on internal arts. I havent looked at it yet myself.
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Mindless 1 // Oct 8, 2008
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Im not the most intelligent guy but I fair pretty well when it comes to common sense and Ive
pretty much grasped some of the training methods out of the magus book I think. In the end all the
masters end up on a pillow, lotus position, doing sitting meditation. I say screw qigong, not to be
rude, but from my understanding qigong circulates and you want to accumulate and do inner
alchemy work.
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William, I have not read any of Joesph Needhams books.

Mindless1, please, no more common sense advice on this subject.
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Mindless 1 // Oct 9, 2008
Hey look, I understand that everybody loves to keep up the tradition of myths but thats exactly
what they are MYTHS. Qigong, yoga, they are both great for certain things but not my certain
things. Common sense, if you actually have it, can keep you out of trouble. Matter of fact one of the
greatest myths to keep that student teacher relationship so tight is that the practices can be
dangerous. The odds of any practice being a danger to anybody is the odds of me going to the
moon.
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KHN // Oct 11, 2008
Hi Jim,
I was wondering if there is any possible way I could create a line of communication with you or
Master John Chang. I have so much questions I would like to ask and so many things I want to
learn.
I was also curious if I could possibly one day meet you or John Chang in person?
Im willing to make the trip to meet you in the summer to learn more about meditation,
self-preservation, ideologies, and if possible neigong itself. And I willing to make the trip to meet
John Chang, and maybe ask to be his apprentice, if denied, even a little advice or guidance would
be greatly appreciated.
p.s. If Jim is not available, can you provide me the information to contact him Chris? Or possibly
anyone else.
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Eclipz // Oct 18, 2008
Jim McMillan I am interested in learning from you, and your lineage. Please send me an email, it
will be greatly appreciated.
I just purchased both of the books about John Chang and I am very intent on learning this
knowledge. So if you could assist me in any way it would be great.
Thanks again.
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Eclipz // Oct 18, 2008
my email address is eclipz2g@yahoo.com
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yogip // Oct 20, 2008
Hi Jim,
I really counldnt care less about these mystical and metaphyiscal powers. I would however like to
delve into this meditation and ask god or the divine/higher self some serious questions regarding
my personal journey..
So honestly I have to ask this question I have to ask, can you help me to find god and establish a
communion with him, which is quite similar to what you have done and achieved
Regards
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Yogip,
If you are wanting to get closer to the divine then you should find meditation elsewhere. Neigong
has nothing to do with religion. Some religion includes neigong meditation sure but the Mo Pai is a
system, not a religion.
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INTERNAL ARTS Mystery Revealed // Oct 22, 2008
I have to know many people can do extraordinary power, so the God within us my friends.
John Chang stay in Indonesia and he is low profile Master
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Jonathan // Oct 26, 2008
Hello
That is an excellent article Chris, thank you for sharing with us.
This is my email: rez141@hotmail.com
Finding answers is sometimes extremely difficult, any help is always appreciated, however I
understand that Jim, yourself and other practitioners of this art are probably getting tired of being
harrassed by people wanting information and contact details about this art or how to learn it etc. So,
to be honest, I will completely understand and respect it if no one wants to pass anything on.
Thank you for your time.
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Spartan // Oct 27, 2008
Hello,all I think its great to hear many different thoughts on the subject of Mo Pai (nei kung).If
Master chang would open up the doors and begin training all who would come, How many of us
would last,This method is not for everyone its a Yang method which if done wrong can be faital.So
I take my hat off toJim and all the sudents of Mopai who are progressing through out the levels .
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Thunderbird // Oct 28, 2008
Spartan,
Its like a big shiny new sports car that now that everyone has seen the video now wants one. What
they dont realize is they might not be able to afford it. This can be karmically, spiritually, or
energetically. This is besides the fact that most people cant concentrate for more than 5 seconds
anyhow. Music songs are typically 2-3 minutes because that is the stretch of time people will listen
to a song before getting bored. American culture just doesnt have what it takes to honor systems
like this. The few (.0000000000001) of Americans that have done well are the exception.
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Hi,Thunderbird you are correct and have stated nothing but the facts,If they would hear about some
of the bad side effects that some poeple experience I doubt that they will still want that shinny new
car!When you attempt to do this kind of empty force training their is always a price to be paid
the question for them is ,are they willing to pay the price ,your own personal situation comes in to
play your health,are you in shape many,things have to be considered before you just say I want to
train with john chang,If we could be john chang for a day and feel the things he feels and sees it
would be to much for people to handle, Most people would die or loose their mind,but even john
had to train to get to that level ,He has paid his price .This is a life time commitment!So I ask
people to ask themselves two questions Do I have what it takes/Am I ready to put in the time to get
good at this stuff .I hope that my words help people become clear on what they want do regarding
this kind of training Becuase your life depends on it. God bless you all. train smart!
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Jonathan // Oct 29, 2008
I think the both of you are totally correct on what you are saying. For alot of people, this could just
be a fad, or a new toy to play with, and again you are both right about the reality and dangerous side
of this sort of thing. There are a good number of people who have not considered either.
However you have to remember that not everyone who has posted here is going to be in that
catagory. There are people here who have studied martial arts (and similar) for a long time, and
maybe have not yet been able to find what they are looking for, exactly as the case was with Jim.
Yes, some people might see a shiny new car, and suddenly want it (These are usually rich and
arrogant people anyway), but some people may have spent years saving up their hard earned money
to be able to afford that car one day.
Alot of people wont have had the money to go on quests to China and Indonesia etc, to personally
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seek knowledge face to face from people, so the internet might be their only way of finding such
information for the time being, which may have led them straight to this article and hence the very
topic we are disscussing.
Like I said, you are both exactly right and I have no debate there, just remember that everyone here
will have come here for different reasons, and not all will be bad or vain.
Thanks guys.
P.S Not all of us are American
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Well said, Jonathan.
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Hello, Jonathan I thank you for your warm words,I just want to help people really get what they are
looking for by becoming clear and focused ,and you are correct about people posting here for
various reasons and not all will be bad or in vain .But their intent makes it so,training is closer than
we may think !and if any one has any questions about training email me at
spartanarbitor@yahoo.com and I will be glad to help. We must help each other that way we all can
grow together! train smart
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I cant believe how much BS there is floating around right now. You guys talk as if you know JC and
you dont. Lets start off with the whole sports car crap. Even JC wanted to be like Master Weird
Banana after he saw the things he could do so even JC HIMSELF wanted the red sports car. As far
as the practices, it takes you being able to quiet the mind. Physically its not dangerous, the
breathing gets a bit difficult but whoopty doo. I cant speak for any of the actual high level training
so for all I know it could very well be dangerous.
The problem with Kosta, Jim and Andreas is that they all got a bit too power hungry and wanting
the spotlight. If youve ever read either one of Kostas books you can tell just by reading how
arrogant and self centered he is. Jim, having a few videos made of him and wanting to be in
documentaries aswell is on the power hungry side too. Andreas didnt train worth a crap, meaning
he hardly EVER trained and when he did didnt take it seriously. All of us are the same. It doesnt
matter if you live in China, Africa, Europe or the USA, people share common traits. John Chang on
several occassions has turned away chinese aswell. The difference between JC and may of his
students is that John has done very well in ridding himself of ego. He did go a bit carried away in
showing off in the documentary but compared to everyone else out there he is and will always be a
saint, so to speak.
So, with that said, lets stop with all the assumptions will we?
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Hello, Mindless1 Im sorry if I have angered you ,that was not my intent,the things that I have stated
are fact,I may not know John chang personally,but after reading both of kostas books I have come
to understand their method of practice (just a little bit) after training a while I have come to
understand how energy works (still learning every day) if you train yourself you will come to
understand energy and you will see where Im comming from, if you have any questions email me at
spartanarbitor@yahoo.com Id be glad to help you futher your training so that you can become that
best you can,maybe we can learn from each other.train smart
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I hate to be the needle that bursts the proverbial bubble butPOP!! Its a mistake for anyone to
think that they can train using either one of Kostas books. What Kosta does is give you a piece
here and there to a puzzle but doesnt give you anything more. You cannot successfully progress in
the Mo Pai system using his book. The Mo Pai system is a mechanical system in the beginning
meaning if you do it , it will work, regardless. The thing is though, is that you have to do it RIGHT.
You cant read 300 pages of a 600 page novel and expect to have any idea of how it really ends or
what happens.
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Regarding post 40
So, with that said, lets stop with all the assumptions will we?
Assumptions made it post 40:
* John Chang wanted the red sports car
*physically its not dangerous
*all those mentioned are power hungry
*Andreas didnt train hard
Now I will explain. John Chang did not likely want the rd sports car. Like most with a calling, you
resist for as long as possible before the spirits make you give in. Your life will become difficult if
you dontwhich happened to me. Physically it is dangerous since you are playing with circuits of
the body. These circuits effect mind, body, organs, and mental well being. Many adepts along the
way have already thoroughly documented physical problems they ran into along their journey for
this argument to even be considered anymore. Why is making videos power hunger? give us
speicifc examples from Kostas book that clearly show an ego. We will be waiting. How do you
know how hard any of these people trained, like Andreas? fill us in. haha
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Thunderbird,
Here we go down the spiral of the ancient dangers of stilling the mind LMFAO!! Lets start off with
yet another assumption. You assume that Im an outside observer.
Qigong, yoga, tai chi, etc are not dangerous. Seeing as how thousands and thousands of elderly
people take up all of the above practices and have no problems at all then that should be proof
enough. What Im saying is that the odds of someone developing serious problems are that of a
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skydiver not surviving his jump. Any at all worries anyone will ever have can be easily taken care
of by sitting your worried little behind on the earth and feeding it to it.
Doing a video for a documentary is ok. Blatanly showing off on the other hand isnt ok. John will
tell you himself, if you ever meet him you can ask him, that he got carried away with the chopstick
bit. He will also tell you about Andreas too, or maybe he wont tell you a thing because you have
bad karma, I dont know. If youd like Ill be more than happy to break out my old copy of Magus
and Neikung both and quote you where you can tell Kosta is an arrogant ass.
The main reason there was such controversy around John teaching non chinese was because of
Kosta and Andreas turned out. Andreas was lazy and Kosta thought of himself as the prodigal son.
You see when you have lets say 100 chinese that come in and ask you for training and you have 10
non chinese, you see way less non chinese so they make more of an impression when they turn out
like Kosta and Andreas did. Andreas acts as though he can speak on behalf of JC when he cant. JC
called Blair to come back so if he had any problems teaching he would say it himself, not through
Andreas.
I will tell you that the only way anyone trains with JC now is if you have your ego in check and
show effort in burning up karma and doing good deeds.
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Luxen // Oct 30, 2008
Thanks for the dream.

The bird was interesting
Hollywood would love the balls in the belly show!!!
Working on the 4 points.
How to make the yang hard? Directly from sun?
Push down through rear pass, moves front cool up?
Collects in a ring around old opening?
When fusing for spark, push hard and hold fast?
Thank you.
Always with heart first
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as far as the elderly doing tai chi to prove its harmless. You likely are not initiated or you wold
understand the forms in intent. Like Dion Fortune said you can take a shower in the morning to
clean yourself or you can take a shower to cleanse yourself spiritually, like a smudge (electrons
firing from the water creating a positive charge). They are both the same act yet vary greatly from
intent. The same goes for meditation and breathing. The same techniques the women in the aerobics
room do in the gym when I lift after yoga is the same I use for divination, speaking with spirits,
hexing people, and manifesting things in general. But its the same exat thing? what differs in
intent. I assumed you knew this. Im still waiting for prrof on Andreass lainess and Kostass
arrogance. Those further on the path also know karma doesnt work like you think it does. Karma
doesnt exist like that, or like you think it does. Study up.
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Luxen,
I understand your post. Do you think heart problems can arise from reversing the microcosmic
orbit? I know an old Ninjutsu man who had heart problems resulting from this habit which passed
when he stopped.
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John Chang himself said that Andreas didnt practice like he should and also said that Kosta was full
of himself. If you cant read the book and tell by Kostas words that hes full of himself then you are
a little dense. John Chang HIMSELF said that Andreas didnt practice like he should and Kosta was
full of himself.
Karma does indeed work that way. If you are a piece of shit for most of your life then you have a
shit load of bad karma but if you turn around and start being a good hearted person then you start
burning up the karma, meditation and prayer can burn it up aswell, although rather slowly. In the
Mo Pai system you dont completely free yourself from karma until later on but by level 4 you make
a huge difference in the way karma effects. However, you can burn up bad karma through
meditation and prayer. Its taught in the Mo Pai system.
The problem with websites like this is that people read a book or two and get into a couple of
conversations about it and think theyre an expert but news flash!! You arent. Ive met John and Im
no expert. Dont be so dense
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FYI, electrons are negatively charged
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Chris // Oct 31, 2008

The problem with websites like this is that people read a book or two and get into a
couple of conversations about it and think theyre an expert but news flash!! You arent.
Ive met John and Im no expert.
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must remain silent. If you are no expert, then please stop
giving advice.
Readers, I warn you that many people have injured themselves through misapplication of
qigong/neigong exercises. Despite some underinformed comments above, common sense and
internal alchemy go together like peanut butter and mackerel.
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tell me where chang said these things. I thought you were going to cite examples of his arrogence?
haha..
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JOHN HIMSELF, SPEAKING TO ME SAID KOSTA WAS FULL OF HIMSELF. IN THE

NEIKUNG BOOK MOST OF THE CONVERSATIONS NEVER HAPPENED AND KOSTA
ADDED A BUNCH THAT JOHN NEVER SAID. JOHN CAN SPEAK ENGLISH BUT WHEN
HES DEEP INTO A CONVERSATION HE DOESNT USE ENGLISH SO ALOT OF THE
BOOK WAS THROUGH A TRANSLATOR.
CHRIS, WHAT I MEANT WHEN I SAID I WAS NO EXPERT WAS THAT EVEN THOUGH
IVE MET HIM AND CURRENTLY TRAIN IN THE MO PAI SYSTEM, IM STILL NO EXPERT.
JIM ISNT AN EXPERT! THE ONLY MO PAI NEIKUNG EXPERT IS JOHN! I DO KNOW,
FROM JOHN, THAT PEOPLE HAVE HAD SOME PHYSICAL PROBLEMS WITH THE MO
PAI TRAINING BUT THE STUPID KOSTA BOOK EXAGERATES THE HELL OF OUT IT!
ITS LABOROUS WITH SOME OF THE BREATHING BUT THATS IT.
JOHN TOLD ME ABOUT KOSTA AND ANDREAS. JOHN, HIMSELF, IN THE FLESH SPOKE
TO ME ABOUT THEM. THATS WHY THERE WAS SUCH A PROBLEM WITH HIM
TEACHING NON CHINESE.
ONE EXAMPLE OF THE BOOK BEING COMPLETELY WRONG IS IN THE FIRST
CHAPTER OF NEIKUNG. KOSTA IS TALKING TO JOHN ABOUT THE DIFFERENT AURAS
AND HOW ONLY YELLOW CAN PROGRESS AND KOSTA GETS ALL BUTT HURT AND
ASKS JOHN IF HE COULD TELL WHAT COLOR HIS AURA WAS, JOHN SAYS NOT RIGHT
NOW BECAUSE IM NOT AT FULL POWER, BUT NOT TO GIVE UP BECAUSE KOSTA IS
STILL YOUNG. THAT CONVERSATION NEVER HAPPENED.
[Edited for civility.]
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so what leads you to believe he exagerates the dangers? Im still waiting on that one, also. How did
you deduce he was butt hurt about the aura thing? Your not clear on that. Besides that it isnt clear
to me still how you came to the conclusion Kosta is arrogent haha. Besides John didnt tell you
anything .
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Mindless1 // Nov 1, 2008
I didnt come to the conclusion that Kosta is arrogant. I was told specifically BY JOHN!! I was
speaking to John about the problem with westerners, John made a few remarks about Kosta and
Andreas specifically. The problem with westerners is that we are either lazy or arrogant. Kosta
started an arguement with John because John wouldnt train him anymore. Kosta is an arrogant ass.
Andreas is lazy and didnt train which is why he never progressed.
You can sit there and doubt me all day long, I dont care. John still trains westerners but not just
everyone that comes a knockin. I know John personally.
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Thunderbird // Nov 1, 2008
No you dont know John. But here is how you work, which is hard to figure out since it is very
normal behavior. You make sweeping generalizations with the hopes that nobody calls your bluff
and questions you. When someone does you make one more attempt at vague, sweeping statements
which are unfounded. After this doesnt work you name call and maybe try to redirect the focus
away from the original thought of the bluff which was called. The facts you have arent facts, but are
mere assumptions and conjecture. Karma is nothing like you mentioned it is. It would be like
asking a child who God is and the child answers an old man with a grey beard in the sky, that was
your equivalent. Karma isnt real nor is it good stuff can make up for bad stuff type misinformation.
Hitler could have conceivable avoided karma by redirecting an imbalance as the same Illuminati
family members are reborn into the same blood and family avoiding karma, as you know it.
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oops not hard to figure out. If you dont believe this is how it works.read your posts haha.
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If I wanted to I could go against my oath I could tell you his real last name and his place of
residence.
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John has absolutely no idea who you are and you do not know him. Your tactics work on the school
yard but not with adults. I will take as much energy as you want since you are giving it to me so
freely. I will keep this up forever but understand there is a price.
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Nice try thunderbird. Ignorance is a plague, thanks for wrecking the gene pool = (equals in other
words) Im changing the subject and I cant back up my numerous claims. Well you never said you
had an email address with mopai in it.you must be legit. haha
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The only way to actually back up that I know John is to supply pictures, his real name and his
location correct? I argued myself into a corner because Im not going to supply his name and
location for everyone out there.
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Chris // Nov 3, 2008
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Enough Mindless1! Thunderbird doesnt actually care who you know, and neither do I. It certainly
doesnt change the fact that you were wrong about the relationship between neigong and religion,
wrong about qigong, and wrong about the dangers of advanced practice. That is forgivable; we all
have something we need to learn. I will not, however, tolerate any further digressions from either of
you.
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Gabe // Nov 16, 2008
Yea. I am one of the people who have become ill from trying to teach myself. I dont care about
martial arts, I care about healing, and reaching higher levels of consciousness.
I have attained ever-greater levels of consciousness from my own personal meditation. But if I am
doing something wrong I dont know what it is. I just know I am drained a lot. I have my ups and I
have my downs, but I seem to have developed a slight, but permanent hindarence on myself.
I dont really care about John Changs demonstration, you have to do it on your own is what I think.
Theres a lot of bumps in the road but so far theres nothing a determined person cant get past, and
nobody can -really- help you do it is my experience. Only yourself. Though it would be nice to hear
experience from a master who isnt a complete fraud like 99% of them out there.
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Gabe // Nov 16, 2008
Oh, if I could describe the illness that you get from improper practice, I would call it an energy
leak, its like some of your life-force is leaking into a void of nothing-ness.
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Spartan // Nov 17, 2008
Hello, Gabe you say that you have gotten ill from trying to teach yourself, Let me guess you have
mood swings from feeling very happy to very angry ,some days you have a lot of energy and
somtimes you dont.I can tell ,you must also be in a lot of pain! the reason for these side effects are
because when you do these kind of power exersices you have to build up your never fibers to
handle the chi going through your body.The next thing is try a lying down meditation for about 20
min.then take a hot bath in Epsom salt to take away the soreness your having.then you should seek
a better method that is easy on the body and mind.Have a good one .
train smart!
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Raj // Nov 18, 2008
Chris,
I have recently discovered Neigong. After 23 years of training in external arts like Hapkido, Kempo
and Okinawan Karateetc I know that Neigong is the missing piece of the puzzle I have been
searching for. I am interested in internal healing and healing others since I suffer with chronic pain
myself. I live in Southeastern Virginia and hoping I can find a qualified teacher that can guide me
on this path. Thank you for all your insight and any guidance you can provide.
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Regarding post 64,

I dont think minor inconveniences like soreness and energy fluctuations are any reason to stop
internal training any more than a potential bodybuilder stop lifting because he feels sore and
fatiqued after workouts. Its a part of the process. Unfortunatly we live in a culture than is very weak
(mind and bodied) and we have this egocentric mentality that we dont deserve anything but
positive everything at all times. I say keep pluggin away since it seems like a sign of progress to
me.
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Chris // Nov 18, 2008
Raj,
My serious advice: dont believe everything you read on the Internet!
Gabe and Thunderbird,
There are two ways to learn the difference between a temporary discomfort and the onset of a
disease state. The first, is to consult an expert. The secondwell, thats the hard way. Some schools
avoid directed meditations, because the likelihood of achieving a net positive effect through
self-guided practice is low.
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Beavis // Nov 18, 2008
Id like to just point out a little oddity in the above messege. You can easily find an expert in
basically anything just by hopping online or picking up a phone book but you cant find an expert in
any kind of qigong or neigong or meditation period. Its not like going down the road to McLees
FastFood Meditational.
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Raj // Nov 18, 2008
Chris,
Thank you. I do filter what I come across online and will wait for proper guidance before trying
these excercises. Hopefully the adage will hold true that when the student is ready, the master will
appear. Until then I will be at the ready
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I only think the net positive results are slower to come, but not low as in probability. Its like
successful athletes, business men, social status, intelligence etc. It is certainly easier when a path sis
laid before you but there are trailblazers in the above mentioned scenarios. Some people just have
it and once they begin a quest the rest develops, whether they are solo or in a group.
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Without going into much detail I have been tested by inner planes beings as far as an initiation. This
initiation could also have happened from some master walking around. The gods are always
watching those who have the gift to walk between the worlds and when you are ready, they let you
know they have been there with you!
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Beavis // Nov 18, 2008
Thats the biggest crock of Sh&% Ive ever heard. You arent initiated into a damn thing
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Chris // Nov 19, 2008

You can easily find an expert in basically anything just by hopping online or picking up
a phone book but you cant find an expert in any kind of qigong or neigong or
meditation period. Its not like going down the road to McLees FastFood Meditational.
However difficult finding a teacher might be, mastering the lessons alone is surely harder.
If you couldnt afford to buy a car, would you try to build one instead? And pray the brakes work as
intended?
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Chris // Nov 19, 2008

I only think the net positive results are slower to come, but not low as in probability. Its
like successful athletes, business men, social status, intelligence etc. It is certainly
easier when a path sis laid before you but there are trailblazers in the above mentioned
scenarios.
True. In the long run, we all are successful or we are dead. Either way, our problems are solved.
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I just dont believe in that common rhetoric about needing masters to proceed and needing them for
initiation. Like the plains Indians shamans, initiation comes from the Gods in some cases.
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Butthead // Nov 20, 2008
Indian Shamans didnt do things like Tibetans practicing Tummo either. You can initiate yourself
with DMT, as you obviously do but its not the samething as any kind of power giving meditation.
Yes you should seek a master if you wish to develop any kind of major power ie tummo or mo pai
type power but if you want to feel your hand tingle then just do qigong on your own. Go buy the
book Healing Power of Qi and you have years worth of practice in the book.
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Im perfectly fine with building a car on my own. All you need are tools and a manual, follow it to
the letter and you have a fine running car. End of story
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When I was a true beginner I did not understand these concepts either, but you are comparing
apples to oranges. You need to understand extenal power shamans (mediums, channelers, invokers
etc) are different than internal alchemy like Chang. It is not uncommon that regardless of whether
you are internal or external certain attributes and gifts are common. In your mistake you did not
find the difference. The irony is both utilize the other. Internal alchemists pull in power from the
ether and trap it. External power wielders navigate the inner planes in order to find large amounts of
power. Whether one is Sitting Bull, Alesiter Crowley, or a Druid, the power is still there. If you are
confused ask questions since it will help you learn.
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The only confusion seems to be on your end.
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The strongest shamans I have ever known all seem to be native american, hands down. The rumors
of shapeshifters arent all false.
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This site reminds me of cyberkwoon. The shits so deep I shoulve worn my wading boots. Youve
never met any shamans. Just because youve met a native american doesnt mean they are shamans
LOL. Look, I know you think youve been on all kinds of spiritual planes but quit lying. The bs is so
thick its stinking through my comp.
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lol
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Native Americans come from a strange energy and planetary system. While they suffer at adapting
to the modern world the ability to access deep primordial roots becomes a strength when doing
work with the spirits and healing etc
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Bijan // Nov 22, 2008
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I am very interested in any information regarding training in this style of internal martial arts or any
similar styles to it.
I take tai chi/qi gong, but my class is mostly focused on physical movements. There is little to no
discussion about what is going on inside.
Martial arts is a way of life, my way of life.
showdang22@yahoo.ca
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I love how the infinite wisdom flows from within this site
(hand smacks forehead)
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Chris // Nov 23, 2008

This site reminds me of cyberkwoon.
There certainly has been an influx of anonymous trolls here lately! Honestly, I would prefer people
use their real namesas Butthead and myself have doneand will continue to lock pages if a
discussion heads in the wrong direction.
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Martin // Dec 13, 2008
Hello everybody,
I have read both books by Kosta Danaos about John Chang and started to practice
the meditation he showed in Nei Kung and I wanted a few questions of mine solved, if this is
possible.
Is this meditation enough to reach level one? Are you supposed to concentrate
just on the area of the dantien or an what is taking place inside of it, e.g.
heat, vibration, etc.? Is it important to feel the breath there or is your mind
resting in the dantien enough?
I also wanted to express my thanks to Jim for sharing a bit of his knowledge. I
am 20 years old, practicing Kung Fu for half of this time and I am about to
spend all my money on finding John Chang. Is it possible to visit Jim so that he
gets to know you in order to decide if he can teach you. I would be happy to get
some answers and I apologise for my too open questions.
Thank you very much,
Martin
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No-Mind // Dec 17, 2008
Martin,
The books written by Kosta are not instructional. What he does is give you bits and pieces but
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jumbles them all up so you have no clue as to what youre doing. He instructs standing meditation in
NeiKung but Level One has no standing meditation AT ALL. The books are really great reading
material and he has some ok theories but the books were never meant to be instructional.
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No-Mind // Dec 17, 2008
Chris
I come on peacefull terms.
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Thanks No-Mind,
I appreciate your answer. Kosta sais this, too, but he also sais that the attentive reader might arrange
the bits and pieces correctly in order to get a hint on the bigger picture. He also makes clear that he
wants the reader to start meditating and gives some instructions for this. If there wasnt some
relation to the actual training then I dont know why he is so insisting on this. I could definitely feel
the heat in the dantien he discribed on various occasions as being a characteristic of yang chi. I
dont think filling the dantien with yang chi is too hard. The difficult thing appears to be mastering
the state he discribes as meditation. Is there some truth in this, No-Mind?
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No-Mind // Dec 22, 2008
Martin,
The mo pai method is mechanical, meaning if you simply do x y and z then it works. Kosta did not
write an instructional book. You CAN get bits and pieces of the real training in the book but bits
and pieces wont work. Level One IS fairly simple but if not done properly then its not even worth
it. Done properly Level One can take 1, 5, even 10 years depending on the dedication. Improperly
train and its for nothing.
You dont necessarily need the sleeplike state he describes because you can use a type of
visualization/meditation at first.
Every mo pai student takes an oath. The says many things, one of which is to not train others or talk
about training to others. Thats why Kosta didnt openly write the Level One or Two instructions.
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Thanks again No-Mind,

I get why there is so much secrecy about John Changs teachings but I do not get why he shut his
school completely(from what is publically known) if it enhances human potential so much. This
would mean that the school dies out if not even his students are allowed to teach. I mean would he
still refuse someone who had the character, mind and body suitable to be successful in the training?
And if level one is simple and its mastery dependant upon dedication why not give this piece of
information to the dedicated who seek it for wholesome reasons? As far as Ive understood there is
no danger involved at level one. If Kostas book is not instructional at all then why does he urge the
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reader so much to start meditation practice?

I would love to get a response and apologise if anything seems offending.
Merry Christmas,
Martin
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I just reread the interview and concerning this:

Concerning admittance into the Mo Pai, I must always discuss every proposal with my teacher.
Not everyone can be admitted. Nevertheless, anyone can contact me, and I will try to reply to
everyone.
I would really want to contact Jim so that he can check my character, etc. . I live in Germany but I
am willing to travel to wherever he lives in order to let him do this. So if you read this I would
appreciate you contacting me (mai88@web.de).
Happy holidays everybody!
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No-Mind // Dec 24, 2008
Martin,
Kosta wrote a book, plain and simple. He, along with the Blair brothers opened the world up to
whats possible. The school isnt shut down completely (your source is incorrect), but he hasnt
accepted new students for quite sometime. He cant accept any nonchinese without running it by his
spirit master either. The school will not die because he will leave it to (as of now itll be a chinese
student) someone else. John can refuse anyone because he isnt obligated to teach but one student to
keep the lineage alive.
Things have changed SIGNIFICANTLY since his spirit master spoke against teaching nonchinese.
Jim cannot discuss every proposal with John just as I cant. Things arent the same for us
nonchinese. If he or I reach Level Four then we can accept students openly.
The training is harmful for those with high blood pressure.
The book DOES have bits and pieces in it but not the whole puzzle. You have certain hand mudras
for instance depending on how you sit and he says NOTHING on those, which are important. There
are certain places you should and should not meditate and he says very very little on the topic. If
you are smart you can figure out where to meditate but youre clueless on the mudras still.
John isnt free from karma yet so he HAS to pick his students wisely. John only has a handful of
students right now anyway.
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Name // Dec 24, 2008
I am here to speak with you Jim.

http://www.myspace.com/shaggnasty
Namaste
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Of course I understand what you are saying about the difficulties for nonchinese to get in touch
with this teachings but is it impossible? I mean could I get in contact with Jim or you, No-Mind,
and have a more than 0 chance that master Liao accepts you learning the system? I think there are
tons of people you would love to learn it just out of curiosity but there still are those who would
like to pursue it as a lifelong endeavour out of honorable reasons. I am 20 years old and practice
chinese martial arts for half of this time as a means of self-cultivation but Johns teaching is what I
have always been looking for. I am practicing vipassana for quite some time now and started doing
Kostas meditation several hours a day. What would you recommend someone like me who wants
to take the risk of being accepted or rejected?
Id appreciate an answer very much, as always and thank you again for replying, No-Mind.
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No-Mind // Dec 25, 2008
Martin,
Im always free to talk on this site or via email. There is a chance that you John personally accepts
you as he did me. There is also a chance that he doesnt. You wont know until you try. Keep in mind
the cost of flying and hotels and the fact that he may not be home at all due to his many businesses
he maintains.
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Hi No-Mind,
I would appreciate you contacting me under mai88@web.de for further information on visiting
John, if this is possible for you.
Like I said I am only 20 years old so money is not what I have got most. Because of this I would
like to know as precisely as possible where I can find him (like the city he lives in if possible and
maybe, if you know, a time when he is not travelling, etc.). I am serious about this. I feel that if I
dont try now I will regret it until I do. I cannot even express how greatful I am for your answers so
far, No-Mind. Thank you so much!
Best wishes,
Martin
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Yogip // Dec 28, 2008
Hello No Mind,
Is it true that level 1 of the mo-pai sytem is that you concentrate on the dan-tien, which is
approximately 3 finger widths below the navel. How do you you klnow when you have filled this
energy point?
Regards
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No-Mind // Dec 28, 2008
Yogip,
When you perform Level One correctly you will, at some point, hit certain milestones that let you
know about how full you are and one milestone that only happens when you are full. The dantien is
about 3-4 finger widths down from your naval and is basically inline with your other two dantiens.
The exact location isnt important to the practitioner however, atleast not at first.
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Yogip // Dec 29, 2008
Yogip,
When you perform Level One correctly you will, at some point, hit certain milestones that let you
know about how full you are and one milestone that only happens when you are full. The dantien is
about 3-4 finger widths down from your naval and is basically inline with your other two dantiens.
The exact location isnt important to the practitioner however, atleast not at first.
Hello No-Mind,
So what are the milestones of concentrating on the dantien? Could you please describe these
signs/symptoms? Also is it possible for you to connect/contact the divine just by concentrating on
the dantien? My point of taking up this practise is that you could connect to the divine-higher self
by practising this way? Would it be possible to establish a personal relationship with the divine
creator god?
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No-Mind // Dec 29, 2008
Yogip,
The Mo Pai method is for every kind of religoin out there. At a certain point your faith my get
stronger or it may change completely. Does the method PROVE any religion right or wrong? No.
The Mo Pai sounds like it may not be what youre wanting. For starters, it can take 1 year or the rest
of your life to complete Level One. Secondly, I cant speak for Jim but for myself, Ive seen spirits
more times than I care too. By see I should say sense although I have seen them with my eyes.
The milestones will not be shared at this time.
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Raj // Dec 30, 2008
Where is Prometheus? This is simply amazing. I am realizing more and more that this is The Art
of Vagueness. A little tease here, a little tease there without any real tangibles. If such a way really
existed to make the world a better place then the universe it seems does not plan for the world to be
better. Perhaps Sifu Changs vision was correct in that his knowledge would be lost to the world
and if so it would be because of those that are selfish to share the knowledge. I am happy for the
ignorant. There are alternatives to the Mopai in the Tao and within for those wishing to follow.
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http://www.tienshan.net/index.html
http://springforestqigong.com/index.htm
http://www.doblesinstitute.com/default.php
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No-Mind // Dec 31, 2008
Raj,
The milestones will do no good if you never reach them. I could tell you that its an OBE or that its
immense heat, etc but if you arent practicing alot then its pointless.
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No-Mind // Dec 31, 2008
Raj,
In addition, what John wants to be done with the Mo Pai isnt any of your business. Whether or not
John has passed on the teaching to another student is none of your business aswell. The Freedom of
Information Act doenst include John.
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Raj // Jan 1, 2009
No Mind,
It may seem pointless to you if the milestones will not help to a non practitioner but what would it
hurt to share them? It is none of my business about what Sifu Chang does with the Mo Pai or his
students. I am not questioning Sifus Changs intentions. He supposedly had a vision that this
knowledge was passing from the world which may be true. Regarding Prometheusif you are not
familiar with the story then read it. That is the point here. If I was enlightened and had knowledge
that could benefit mankind it would be my individual responsibility to share that knowledge. That
should seem obvious. I have met a few individuals that share that vision who are quite forthcoming.
Helping mankind reach an enlightened state would incur beneficial Karma. Who can argue with
that? Seemed to work for Buddha, Jesusetc. I just have a general disdain for enlightened
individuals who refuse to pass along even general knowledge that could help or even give direction
to where they could find it. What purpose does it serve to say I have such knowledge to a group of
seekers but then say I wont tell you anything that could help you? Those people should remain in
obscurity if they have no intention of helping. The cop out that Karma will bring the teacher is
mute. The gathering is already there.
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Martin // Jan 1, 2009
I dont think it is as simlpe as you think, Raj. Cars benefit humankind,too, but you would not want
to give one to a six-year-old just because he wants it so badly. I think its not up to us to judge John
Chang out of our understanding but it is up to him to judge whether we are ready or not. That is
because his understanding is deeper, which is the reason we want to learn from him in the first place
and not the other way round. Your reasoning makes sense because it is obvious and this is the
reason that I am sure he is familiar with it, too. But he still HAS to have reasons stronger than what
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youve discribed to act the way he does which in itself can teach us a great deal.
Maybe our fault is just not to realise this and still be arrogant enough to intend to force
someone to show information we are simply not ready for.
Just my opinion
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Spartan // Jan 1, 2009
Hello,all I would just like to say that Mr John Chang has made his choice as far as the future of Mo
Pai is concerned,Although Im not a student I deeply respect his choice,sometimes we grow angry
because we dont understand The choices our sifus make because we only concern ourselves with
earthly concerns,their is much more to the puzzle than you think and their are rules that even at MR
changs level that must be obeyed and could not be understood at your current levels.Here is how
you get Sifu Changs or any other master for that matter s attention! Develop yourself to the point
where you get their attenion I clearly see that this is a test for the mopai students Who will set
themselves apart from the rest of the pack,what could you show sifu Chang if he where standing in
front of you now, I think that you would all be wasting his time and he knows this so he is waiting
to see what you can show.Then when you have done this then all the information you seek will be
made available to,and another thing we must consider is it may not be your destiny to recieve
training from Sifu chang Many will be called but few will be chosen!I have shared this infomation
in the hopes that my words will be taken not in a bad way but in a way that will help us all.I have
trained to the point that I get people emailing me all the time regarding training with them and their
teachers are impressed with me (thats what they say) I dont handel praise well at all ,I just want to
help out.It all boils down to do you have what it takes to set yourselves apart from the pack,are
your current abilities enough to get Sifu changs attention.
Train smart and Happy new year!
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East Meets West // Jan 1, 2009
there is quite a lot of feisty opinions on here!

LOL
still see yourself as separate you do- (insert yoda voice)
watch out. dont lend your power out to someone just because of a video. maybe JC is real, maybe
its just a clever advertising scheme. videos can be doctored, books can be exaggerated and
testimony can be over hyped. who knows if any of this is real? the chinese often over exaggerate
their powers to the general public in order to promote inspiration and more business! ;0) but
spending ALL of your money and chasing something you do not know for sure to be true, is more
dangerous than putting some solar qi in your belly!
as for karma. if it is so, then you will run into the perfect teacher at the perfect time. the effort with
be effortless. spend a good amount of time training, find a decent local teacher that wont drain your
time or money, and start meditating.
perhaps if you try hard enough, you can meet the spirit of JC or numerous other teachers through
meditation. its like the internet of astral travel!
but finger pointing and loud opinions show that you have not worked hard enough on your own qi
stagnation, and thats probably why you are not gaining ground. clear your own emotions and
increase your wiring through consistent stance training and meditate a ton. you might find the
teacher is not in some far away place, but inside your own head
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No-Mind // Jan 1, 2009
Raj,
I think you dont quite understand whats really going on. Students arent supposed to talk about the
actual practice. Those who do are breaking oath. All I do is help clear the fog thats in Kostas
books. Also, your understanding of karma is not so great.
Martin,
Exactly.
Spartin,
Something to understand is that all methods are not created equal. It doesnt do anyone any good to
train in a certain style of qigong for years and then expect to just cross over to the mo pai because
youll basically be going backwards. Training beforehand in simple meditation is always a benefit to
oneself no matter what. You said you werent good with taking praise but have no qualms with
praising yourself on a forum lol.
EMW,
John is real for starters. Secondly, he doesnt ask money from anyone and he doenst expect anyone
to waste the money to come looking for him just so he can turn them away. The mo pai doesnt have
some funky website you can click on or a phone number to call just you can try and chat with him
beforehand. A local qigong master WILL take your money, happily, they are doing you a service
in teaching you the way ( or so you hope). John will not and has never taken money for healing or
teaching. Kosta on the otherhand has obviously taken money for his book and his teaching, which is
against oath but whatever. It doenst hurt at all to begin some simple sitting meditation but actually
attempting some sort of circulation could result in some bad habits and also a bit harmful. One of
the reasons mo pai is so effective is that Level One is sitting meditation with the exercise being
accumulation, not circulation.
May 2009 be a great and prosperous year for all
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Hello, east meets west,I thank you for your words!I dont mean to sound angry or anything like that
.You are right about karma and getting the right teacher at the right time I just found it funny that
people talk about exotic terms But I just want to know if they can do anything other than meditate.I
can feel JC s chi and he is no joke and I can barely feel anything from the people who post things
hear,thats not to say that they cant astro project or do other things .Im saying that It will take them
a very long time to build up any significant chi,and as you build up your chi pressure then you will
become more sensitive to other peoples chi and you will see things in a new way Good luck!
Train smart
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Raj // Jan 1, 2009
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Folks,
I am not judging or have any problems with Sifu Changs decision. His conduct is that of a Master
and one of spritual maturity. He made a decision which is fine and stands by it by not getting
involved. He is not the one posting on the boards providing just bits and pieces of a puzzle that does
not fit. That is the act of someone perhaps who does not know enough to provide substantial advice.
I have read Kostas books and perhaps he is the Prometheus of the day. But think about it. Are you
really helping? If you have nothing that is going to help then dont even dangle the carrot. Like I
was saying there are other schools that are forthcoming with knowledge even with the journey to
Daoist Immortality.
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Raj,
Im not dangling any carrot. Kosta does so with his book, making people think they can do Level
One by just reading it. The book contains everything you could ever want to know about Level One
except the proper hand mudra for full lotus, half-lotus or cross legged. All Ive ever done was clear
up what is true and what is false in Kostas book. Ive never said that I will teach anyone any level.
What I CAN do is help people realize how to do Level One with whats already in the book. The
hand mudra is going to take me a minute to think about how to divulge it without breaking any
actual oath.
113
Chris // Jan 1, 2009
Spartan and others,

Please do not take these blog posts as the opening of a test to see who is worthy of joining the
Mo-Pai. That was not my intention. Raj is correct to note that there are many other schools one may
join, and nobody should assume that the most exclusive or popular is the best.
114
Hello all,I am not mad at any one,to be honest Im proud of any one who seeks to better themselves
and the world through these practices ,I think that we should share our experiances so that we can
all take a step forward together,and if the method you practice forbids you talking about certain
things within your method then so be it,But I will be glad to share what I know.GOOD LUCK
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! and may all of you reach your goals.
115
xy&z // Jan 4, 2009
dpumpernickels@yahoo.com
I teach Level One
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Martin // Jan 5, 2009
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Hi xy&z ,
could you be more specific about this?
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zy&x // Jan 5, 2009
More specific how ?? lol I pretty much nailed it on the head
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Brandon Pearson // Jan 7, 2009
Jim.
I have heard that you have violated the wishes of your master and have gone and opened up your
own school of Mo Pai when you yourself has not even made it passed level 4
if i am correct how could you disrespect one to teach you such things he probably disobeyed the
strict taboos of his sect and this is how you repay him..
if i am correct about my accusations this is a gross display of disrespect and Sifu Chang deserves
much much more
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Brandon,
Are you not being disrespectful by saying such things? If you have never met Sifu then how do you
know what he deserves? For anyone whose not met him he could have put on a mere show by
staging the videos. Dont get me wrong, Sifu does deserve respect, however, you have not met him.
Just because someone can do pyrogenesis and the sorts does not mean that they are not human and
have flaws. This does not mean that they are above being hurtful and disrespectful themselves.
His wishes? What do you know of his wishes? Youve heard? Heard from who?
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Raj // Jan 8, 2009
Brandon,
Prometheus is one of the Titans from Greek mythology. He helped create (and then befriend)
mankind. He gave humans the gift of fire even though he knew Zeus would not approve and
suffered punishment for it. This punishment did not stop him from helping mankind even further
with all sorts of other knowledge.
Pardon my interjecting but from what I have read in Kostas books it seemed like Sifu Chang
expressed a desire to pass his knowledge along. He did in fact himself break his own code after
extended meditation in the jungle when he felt that this gift of knowledge was passing from the
world by teaching westerners and providing demonstrations. He also felt that this knowledge was
going west.
Perhaps he hoped within that those he taugt could do what he himself could not do or sanction
because of his own oath and reminder from his master. He was the first after all to be
Prometheus.
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Who would be the one to chastise Jim? You or Sifu Chang? Who is the master?
121
Raj,
Why do you insist on using Prometheus? You seem to think you know so much about John and his
visions but if John really wanted what that book said he wanted then why would he allow his spirit
master to control what he does?? After all, John was the lineage holder NOT his spirit master.
Another thing, what makes you think you should get this training??? Go look for a master, maybe
youll find one.
122
Raj // Jan 8, 2009
No Mind,
I do not bear you or the Mopai any malice.
I am just being Devils Advocate. I felt that Brandon was unecessarily chastising Jim. And yes
perhaps I am reading too much into Kostas book but so far that is the majority of the information I
have read regarding Sifu Chang and I am completely unaware as to how John and his spirit master
inter-react.
As for PrometheusI find that story appropriate for the day. We need a Prometheus to come
forward. I myself am seeking a Master but maybe this training is not for me. I am sure if it is not
the training itself would be a good filter to decide as I am sure it requries some committment,
sacrifice and discipline. I still do hope to find a master regardless and practice.
123
Raj,
I completely agree with you. Brandon has no business speaking down to Jim or any member of the
mo pai, whether ex or current. No one can speak for John but John.
124
Johnson B. // Jan 8, 2009
As I looked over many sites (this, taobums, and many others), I found many other Mopai students
took offense in Jim teaching the Mopai method to other people. John Chang wanted to teach others
and open the Mopai to others, but, something occured a few years back when his master, or a
master who previously held the lineage before, came and reprimanded John Chang for breaking his
oath to his master by teaching the Mopai method to foreigners (non-chinese). After John Chang
closed the Mopai to foreigners, he forbade the Western students from teaching the Mopai method
to anyone else. He used to allow them to teach the 1st level meditation since its not harmful and is
good for your health. However, after closing the doors, he forbade any teachings to non-Chinese.
There were other Mopai students who claimed that Jim is not of level 3 and he certainly is not the
highest level (or second highest) student of Mopai. He did not even pass level 2. He claimed to
have passed level 2 and is level 3 but there was a Mopai student who said that Jim mistakenly
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thought one of the exercises he did was for one level (which did not count as a level). Even
someone close to John Chang claimed that John Chang himself said none of the Western students
ever passed level 2.
As to Jim opening up his own Mopai school is indeed a disrespect to John Chang. How can he
teach a school when he himself is not a master of it.
No-Mind, I agree with you that only John Chang can speak for John Chang, but I highly doubt that
he will go online and answer any questions we have. I also feel that if someone is doing something
wrong, then, it is up to us to speak up. Even though I am not a student of Mopai, but there are a
number of students of Mopai that disagree with Jim, and do not think highly of him.
125
Please forgive me for i meant no disrespect.

i only said these things in regards to Sifu Chang for i thought he was being disrespected
how i come to learn that he has opened his own school of Mo-pai came from a person speaking on
these forums i will keep his name private for his convenience.
i did not wish to speak for John either.
i only said what i said because i am slightly disturbed by Jim for his actions.
i spoke to him on his youtube account and over email
you said he could teach me but he would CHARGE ME a sum of $300+ dollars.
i think chargeing someone to learn these things is wrong.
from what i have read in kostas books i believe Chang thinks it wrong as well.
126
Sifu is the only person who doesnt charge. Kosta charged. Andreas charged. Heck, Kosta even
made money off of 2 books. It is in your own opinion that you believe it is wrong to charge but do
your school teachers get paid? Is it wrong for them to accept money? What about doctors? Is it
wrong that they get paid aswell? In the world we live today, money is very important to survival.
127
Raj // Jan 9, 2009
Brandon,
If you could learn Neikung for 300 dollars then that would be a great bargain. The cost to attend
just a seminar is easily triple that plus travel costs. If Jim offered to train you for 300 at least to
whatever level he is and you thought that was too much perhaps you are not ready for the true cost
of the training. Maybe consider that the first test of your initiation.. your leap of faith. Consider
traveling to find John Chang or some other master and coming up empty. This has happened before.
I wonder how much Kosta made on those books. Alot more than 300 I think.
Just food for thoughtyou probably just blew an opportunity.
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No-Mind // Jan 10, 2009
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Johnson,
While I know you mean well, I sincerely doubt you know any mo pai students
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Johnson B. // Jan 10, 2009
No Mind,
Though I am not affiliated with Mopai, I have been in touch with them. Everything that Ive
written, I got those information from a lot of online postings I read, which were written by many
Mopai students (Andreas, Thunderindo to name a few). I have been interested in John Chang and
the Mopai since a few years ago. I have been following a lot of threads about John Chang and
Mopai. If you have been following the threads since cyberkwoon, wong kit, tao bums, and many
others, you will see the information Ive mentioned.
There was even a student who mentioned that Jim can only teach you the first level, since only John
Chang himself (and no one else) can tell you if you have passed the first level. If you tried the 2nd
level without passing level 1, then you might get hurt. The standing exercise that Jim might teach
you is not even one of the levels.
I do want to learn the Mopai method, but since the school is closed, I have to respect the decision. It
is very inappropriate to teach or learn this method without the consent of John Chang. It doesnt
matter that you have spent thousands of dollars and a lot of your time learing from John Chang, if
he forbids you to teach then you have to respect it. To do otherwise is pure disrespect. If John
Chang himself is not allowed to teach, who are you (Jim or anyone else) to go against the Mopai
rule.
I think the important lesson from this is John Chang has shown us what human beings are capable
of. This allows us to venture out from our own limitation, and know that something like this is
possible. Though not from John Changs teachings, or the Mopai methods, but Im sure there are
other Neigong school out there where we can learn this.
Forgive me if this might offend someone. I mean no harm.
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No-Mind // Jan 10, 2009
The important lesson is that we arent in highschool so theres no need for an episode of gossip girls.
How do you know what Jim teachs? Have you actually talked to Jim? Andreasmake a longer
story short by saying theres no need to listen to a single thing he says. Im glad that you have first
hand information from a forum..Thats practically like youve been there yourself. Come onjust
stop JOHNSON. No need for this to continue
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please understand my hesitation to pay you the initiation money

i mean come on try to imagine this from my point of view.
i do not know any of you well..
for all i know you could be frauds trying to get my money.. its extremely common over the internet.
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i want to believe you.. i believe there is a reason i want to learn these things the same reason i have
come across this website and come across you wonderful people
but i just dont wanna be cheated out of my money only to find that you are not who you say at all
and i get nothing out of this.
if i Must pay something.. id rather do it in person..
when i travel to Indonesia i will seek you out..
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No-Mind // Jan 10, 2009
To my knowledge, neither Jim nor myself are in Indonesia.
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Raj // Jan 10, 2009
Brandon,
Skepticsm is good and healthy but if you had any doubt that it was Jim you were emailing because
you suspected it could have been a fraud, phony or otherwise perhaps you should not have blasted
Jim publicly.
I understand your dilemna but maybe a little discretion next time would be appropriate.
134
yogip // Jan 11, 2009
Chris,
close this thread down, its getting plain annoying
[Anyone who wishes to discuss site moderation should contact me privately. No need to stick
around if you are annoyed. Note there is a new forum where you may post discussion topics of your
own choosing. --Chris]
135
No.
please dont close this thread down its one of the last ones regarding Mo-pai or john chang..
please keep it open i enjoy our conversations
136
No-Mind // Jan 12, 2009
Johnson,
Have you seen the video of Jim? Thats proof that hes PAST level 2.
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TongKosong // Jan 12, 2009
No-Mind,
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If you do know the testing method of MoPai, then you are absolutely wrong about your claim. The
video PROVES that Jim has not pass level 2. Only students of Mopai know about this fact. If Jim
tells you otherwise, then he is deluding you.
138
No-Mind // Jan 13, 2009
Oh here we go.AGAIN
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TongKosong // Jan 13, 2009
No-Mind,
You made an erroneous claim. Im just stating the fact. That is all.
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chris // Sep 17, 2008

Hi Im realy interested in neigong how do i contact

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Spartan // Sep 18, 2008

HI, Jim is it possible to for you to email me at .spartanarbitor@yahoo.com

Jeremy // Sep 18, 2008

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chris // Sep 19, 2008

Hi Jim its Chris here any chance of a email

Uzo // Sep 19, 2008

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Ikigai // Sep 22, 2008

Quite interesting! I hadnt heard of this gentleman before now.

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Tony // Sep 24, 2008

Aloha Jim McMillan,

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Chris // Oct 8, 2008

William, I have not read any of Joesph Needhams books.

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Eclipz // Oct 18, 2008

my email address is eclipz2g@yahoo.com

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