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FALL 2009

UPSTAGE FALL 2009 Bye Bye Birdie 1

How do we define ourselves?

Interview with the Actor: Nolan Funk
Interview with Director: Robert Longbottom
The World of the Play
Interview with the Composer: Charles Strouse
Interview with the Lyricist: Lee Adams
Interview with the Costume Designer: Gregg Barnes


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We love you,
Oh, yes we do!
We love you, Conrad!
And well be true
When youre not
near us, were blue!
Oh, Conrad,
we love you!






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Interview with

the Actor: Nolan Funk

UPSTAGE sat down with our very own Conrad Birdie, Nolan Funk, to discuss his role
as the teenage heartthrob.
What is your take so far on the character of Birdie?
Hes someone who has been given a gift, and hes come
from somewhat of a shady past. But through talent
and appeal, hes been able to surpass the circumstances
he was born into and now hes become this great star.
Theres a lot of humor in the part, but I want him to be
a real human being. I dont want to lose the element of
fun in him or get too heavy about it, but I want him to
be a whole person. The challenge in playing this role is
you want to retain his likeability. The role really teeters
on the brink of unlikeability and its a hard balance to
play. I think he initially started out his career with the
attitude: Well, I dont have that much to lose, because
I dont have that much anyway. Its even referenced in
the playthey found him in reform school. Then, Rosie
calls him a car thief. Thats why he was able to swivel his
hips more than the other guys on television and maybe
scream a little harder. He has no social etiquette. So
there is a kind of freedom to playing him. Its certainly
relatable to me in terms of my life, being highly unaware
of certain social practices. I took this role not knowing
the musical. I just read the script like I was auditioning
for anything else. And I based my interpretation of who
he was on that.
How do you feel about being on Broadway eight
times a week?
Ive been on a mission to do a Broadway show. I
want to do something live. As grateful as I am to have
played as many roles as I have in film and television,
Ive been trying to get on Broadway for a while. Since
I was a kid, I remember thinking, I really want to do
this. I grew up in Canada, but Les Miserables came to
town, Phantom of the Opera, Joseph and the Amazing
Technicolor Dreamcoat. One of the first things I ever
watched on television, if not the first thing, was a video
recording we had of Into the Woods with Bernadette
Peters. And I loved mythology and fairy tales growing
up. I love going into something that Im not an expert
in. I understand that theres a Broadway community, an
audience that will be looking at me with a more critical
eye than most performers have to deal with. Im very
aware that Im coming from Nickelodeon. They may not
realize that Ive done a lot of other work. Maybe theyre
going to see me as this Nickelodeon kid who got the role
because the producers thought some teenage girls will
want to come and see him. Thats Birdies audience. But
its a limited run, its the Roundabout Theatre Company,
one of the most prolific theatre companies with one of


the highest subscription rates, and they dont need me

to sell tickets.
Did you look at the movie, or do any research on
I did a lot of research on the period. I watched some
parts of the movie and some clips, but I saw what the
original guy had done and it didnt feel like what I
wanted to do with it. I just had a different take.
In this video clip, Bye, Bye Birdie director Robert
(Bobby) Longbottom: says something like, Were
reexamining this role for a new generation. What
do you think he means by that?
What he means is that in the original cast of the
Broadway production as well as in the movie, the actor
playing Birdie was a lot older than meIm 22. One
thing I love about Bobbys approach is that everything
comes from an acting standpoint. I cant tell you how
creatively fulfilling and gratifying its already been. I do
know that there is sincerity to the way I want to play
Birdie. Even though theres part of him thats really
pissed off, there is still that love of music. When Birdie
gets up there and sings, its coming from his gut. Every
molecule in his body has got to be in it. For him to
appeal to the audience as he does, its got to be more
than just having a catchy song and being attractive. I
want to make Honestly Sincere have so much pent-up
feeling that we can understand why it would have been
the No. 1 song in America for six months. I want to play
Birdie with a raw quality.
In previous productions, the joke of Honestly
Sincere was that he isnt sincere. But youre
saying you have to see how committed he is to
Its totally a different take on it. I know that the way
Im choosing to take on this role is risky. But Im all
about taking on a challenge. Its maybe because I
read the script the way that I did, not bringing any
preconceptions to it. I can only speak as the type of
artist I am, but personally, I keep coming back to: This
is a living, breathing, emotional human being. The
only way to do that is exploring Birdies back story, so
that Im not out there saying empty lines. I want to
know everything about him. I dont know what kind
of choices ultimately will be made and what theyre
going to let me get away with, but there are really some
key things that he says. Obviously he is someone who
is singing about sizzling steaks and shiny Cadillacs,

things that he didnt really know, and now hes gotten

to a place where he can afford them. Hes been so busy
and wrapped up in touring and the life of being a star
that hes trying to escape and finally enjoy those things.
Ultimately, I think Birdie is a mask, but hes a talented
Youve got a background in gymnasticswill you
get to use any of that in this part?
You know, we talked about it, and in Spectacular! I
did a flip and things like that. But Im kind of steering
away from that, because I dont think it makes sense for
Here are some internet clips from Spectacular! of
you dancing. Where did you learn to dance?
My father actually dances the tango and I grew
up always loving to dance. But doing a movie like
Spectacular! was an education. I dont have a lot of
formal dance training. Again, its the characterI dont
want Birdie to move like hes been on Broadway all his
life. He has this innate feeling, this spark inside of him
that gets him to move. I dont want him to seem slick
and sleazy. I dont want him to feel polished. I want him
to seem raw and genuine and greatly flawed.
In some of the press about you, theyre always
calling you the next Zac Efron. Is that flattering
or annoying or both?
It really doesnt bother me at all. Im my own type of
artist, and Im quite particular and independent in my
thinking, and Im not trying to brand myself as Zac per
se. But its fun. Why wouldnt I want to be compared to
such a popular actor? I was not the popular kid in high
school, so if you want to compare me to the popular
people, go ahead. UP

UPSTAGE FALL 2009 Bye Bye Birdie 5

Interview with

the Director: Robert Longbottom

UPSTAGE recently spoke with Bye Bye Birdie Director-Choreographer Robert
Longbottom about the challenges of reviving this iconic musical for the first time
on Broadway.
Why did you want to direct Bye, Bye Birdie?
Because its never been revived on Broadway. There
are very few shows that can make that claim. Everyone
seems to have performed in Bye, Bye Birdie, either in
high school or in community theater or college. It was
the portal through which a lot of people fell in love with
musicals. No one else has done it but Gower Champion,
and aside from the movie, people dont really remember
that production, which is always good for a director
because I get to reinvent it.
Is there anything Gower did that you are aware of
being an influence for you, or is this going to be a
complete departure?
Any director-choreographer who has had a hand in
shaping a musicalwhich clearly Gower didhas his
DNA is all over it, so you never really remove that nor
do you want to. But in terms of those iconic numbers
The Telephone Hour, Put on a Happy Face I never
saw the original. I am going to make it my own without
departing from the story and the intention of the scene.
Do you feel like you are working on a family show?
Yes and no. I think Im working on something thats not
just for families, but for people in general. Its a good
time and its altogether without irony, and theres little
of that to be found anymore on Broadway. We put the
experience of going to musical comedy in italics, and
everything is sort of taken with a wink, wink to the
audience. Bye Bye Birdie takes itself seriously, as one
of the better numbers in the first act, Conrad Birdies
Honestly Sincere, says. - You really have to play the
show straight ahead and not make fun of these peoples
values. My inspiration for this production was Disney
and Kodaks installation at the Worlds Fair in 1964,
called the Carousel of Progress. It was a time when
Americans and the world at large were truly optimistic
about what could happen, where we could go, what
life could be like. And all the fear we have now about
obvious things just didnt exist. Its a fantasy to imagine
what it would have been like to live in that time and Im
hoping to capture that for everybody.
Do you feel the show is about the Generation Gap?
The great parent-child divide of adolescence hasnt
changed. It grows wider if anything. And I think thats
why the piece is relevant. Everybody goes through a
period where you antagonize or infuriate your parents,
and it helps identify who you are. Whether its what
you do to your bedroom or whats inside your locker,


theres that defiance that you need to become you, and

I think thats a pivotal moment for everybody. You can
also look to Conrad Birdie as an American Idol type. I
do think Conrad came up from somewherehes a
very unsuspecting kid who this happened to, a kid with
some trouble about him. Hes not a golden boyhes in
trouble with the law, in trouble with women, probably
with drugs. He had some issues, and I think when he
sings Ive Got A Lot of Livin To Do, its not that hes
ready for an evening out. I think hes actually asking
himself, Whats happened to my adolescence? Ive just
become this thing that people trot around and bring out
for signings. And wheres my life?
How did you prepare to direct and choreograph
this show? Will you talk about your process?
Im leery of artists who talk about their process. I dont
know that I have a process I just sort of do it. I jump
into it and I do it. Either my instincts lead me down the
right path or they dont. I can usually see something
fully formed in my head before I start to go at it. But
in terms of research, I put my hands on a lot of 1960s
family things, like the early Tupperware campaigns, like
the Carousel of Progress, the Worlds Fair, the very early
days of Disney and Epcot and their space installments
and attractions. There was just something very sincere
and genuine about it. Theres a time when that crossed
over into camp, and this was long before that. I knew
I wanted to be true to the period, and I knew I wanted
to find a way to create a very stylish show that could
have been at the Worlds Fair. I just keep coming back
to the Carousel of Progress because I just love how
that represented the American family. It was going to
improve everything about home and the family. The
technology was going to allow the toaster to work faster
so mom could have more time with you. I think all that
stuff was, and is, very sweet.
What were you looking for when you cast the adult
and the teen ensembles?
I knew I wanted real people. I wanted genuine children.
When this first appeared on Broadway, Im sure there
was a lot of the teen chorus who were 26 and 27 year
old, very talented men and women, but they were
playing teenagers. I knew that wouldnt fly today. We
need to get real kids with braces and pimples and all
those issues, and I didnt want a lot of young people
who had been in a dozen Broadway shows. I didnt want
that jaded quality, which is there whether you like it or
not. So freshness was the word of the day. I think the

real deal. Hes not someone pretending to be another

icon. We are creating our own resume, if you will, for
this Conrad Birdie.
I want to talk to you a little about the movie and
TV versions. Were they of any use to you or did
you just ignore them?
I looked at each of them, but I left them then. I think
it was important to go, Ok, this was that persons take
on this, and it was valid at the time, but Im not doing
that, and I dont want to borrow things from that. The
exception is the song Bye Bye Birdie, which was written
for the movie Ann Margret opened the movie with
it, and its such a great song. When I first asked about it,
I wasnt even sure that Strouse and Adams had written
it. They had, in fact, and its a dandy little tune, so were
using it at the end of the show for our finale. Thats the
one thing that we took from the movie.

same thing applied to the parentsI wanted one of

every sort of look and color we could possibly get our
hands on to make that neighborhood, that community,
not just a WASP, white, sanitized community in Ohio,
but something thats a little more reflective of our
society today.
When you audition actors, is there a quality that
makes you think, I want to be in the rehearsal
room with you?
Its like dating. You are either attracted to that talent or
you are not. There are so many people that are valid and
could be in this part. Its instinctual, and you think, I
just have a feeling youre the one. And once that person
has come in for you two or three times, you form a
contract with that actorunspokenthat youve come
in here and done the hardest thing possible. Youve
proven to me that you are going to uphold your end of
the bargain. It does come down to do I want to spend
six days a week, eight hours a day with this person? For
Bye Bye Birdie I was looking for people who could be
sincere and genuinely open. I wanted them all to be nice
You are doing a little something different with
casting Birdie this time around correct?
I wanted to find somebody who I could actually believe
these teenage girls would go crazy over. I dont think
thats a man in his early 30s. I think that has to be
someone who is not too far from them. So we are going
with a boy, Nolan Funk. I dont how old he is exactly,
but he is a very young man. He is actually a bit of a teen
idol himself, and he starred in a show on Nickelodeon.
Anyway, he was great in it and very charismatic. This
boy will most likely be a big deal one day. I love the fact
that he is on that curve of up and coming, and hes the

How did this production come together? Did you

approach Roundabout Theatre Companys Artistic
Director Todd Haimes or did he approach you?
Todd and I had been talking about what we might do
together. He said, Do you like Birdie? It didnt ever
occur to me that it could be an interesting fit for me.
At first I wasnt sure that it was. Im attracted to darker
material and like to look at the underbelly of stories,
and there is none here. We did a workshop two years
ago in this very building, which was very successful,
and I think I was as surprised as anybody at how funny
and just charming it was. You needed to just let it be
and not try to weigh it down with too much relevance
or political thought about what was going on in the
country at that time.
What advice would you give a young person who
wants to choreograph and direct musicals?
Dont take no for an answer. Youve got to want to do it
more than anything in the world because so many other
people want to do it too. And it is helpful if you know
the business from the other side of the table. Before you
decide to be a choreographer-director, be a performer,
be an actor, know what it feels like to be in the skin of
those people. Most choreographers were dancers. It is
unusual that someone just leaves college and becomes
a choreographer without ever performing. A lot of the
greats weve looked up to over the years all started out in
the chorus. And if you can, develop your own show. If
you have an idea for something, go with that because we
are in such need of new material. If you have something
that hasnt been done before in your headdirect it.
The first show I did off-Broadway was the show Pageant.
That was something I developed and created. I dont
know that anyone would have hired me at that point in
my career to direct that, but it was mine and I knew how
to do it. UP

UPSTAGE FALL 2009 Bye Bye Birdie 7

world of the play

The Ed Sullivan Show

Just as the 21st century phenomenon American Idol has all but taken
over Tuesday and Wednesday nights, the 20th century TV landmark
called The Ed Sullivan Show owned Sunday nights. The Ed Sullivan
Show premiered in 1948 and brought talents, both high brow and low
brow, to the American people every Sunday night for twenty- three
years. Sullivan showcased over 10,000 acts in his more than two
decades on the air, including some of musics biggest legends. Elvis
Presley, The Beatles, and later the Jackson 5 all truly burst onto the
American pop culture scene with their appearances on Sullivans show.

In Bye Bye Birdie, an appearance on Sullivans show temporarily unites
the older and younger McAfees; in real life America, Sullivans variety
hour also brought generations together even justifying rock as real music to skeptical
parents in the 1950s and 1960s. Sullivan invited artists and performers of all kinds on his
program, with a bill that ran the cultural gamut nearly every week. Opera singers like Beverly Sills, comedians like
Jackie Mason and George Carlin, rock legends like The Rolling Stones and The Who, and Broadway stars like Julie
Andrews and Richard Burton all mingled on Sullivans program. He even invited the cast of Bye Bye Birdie onto his
show to sing none other than the song Ode to Ed Sullivan!
Even today, Sullivans legacy lives on in ways that we might not even notice. Every weekday David Letterman films
his Late Night with David Letterman on the same stage on 54th and Broadway that Sullivan used for his broadcasts.
The venue is the same, but it has now been renamed in honor of a great TV legend in 1993 it was christened the Ed
Sullivan Theater.

The Draft

Although Bye Bye Birdies heartthrob Conrad Birdie claimed to have volunteered
to join the army, he had, in fact, like thousands of others in the 1950s and 60s,
been drafted into the Unites States Army. Our country no longer utilizes the draft
today, but in the 1950s and 60s, conscription, which allowed the government to
compel any young man to serve in the army, was very much in action and causing
all kinds of unrest. Despite deferments and exemptions for college students, the
youth of the 1960s demonstrated, resisted conscription and burned their draft
cards on street corners and college campuses across the nation as more than 2
million men were forced into military service.

The U.S. first instituted the draft during the Civil War, following the
Confederacys lead, to help fill out the Union ranks. This new lottery system, as
well as a provision for buying ones way out of service, caused massive riots. The
largest instance of draft- related violence was the 1863 Draft Riot in New York
City during which tens of thousands of people, many of them poor Irish from the
Lower East Side, took to the streets, burning and looting dozens of stores in the
process. The draft was also used during both World Wars and, in a limited way,
during the peacetime that followed the end of WWII.
Once the full draft was reinstated, widespread draft dodging soon followed. Boxing legend Muhammad Ali became
the most famous accused draft dodger when, in 1967, after being drafted, he refused to serve, saying that his new
religion, Islam, did not allow him to fight. Ali was convicted of draft evasion, stripped of his titles and banned from
the sport of boxing.
Perhaps the most famous man to be drafted and to actually serve in the U.S. military was Elvis Presley, who later
became the inspiration for Bye Bye Birdies story of teen idol Conrad Birdies conscription into the armed forces.


Rock Music and the Generation Gap

Before the late 1950s, the popular music of Middle America was pretty
mellow there was the synchronized finger snapping of Doo-Wop groups
and the crooning of singers like Frank Sinatra. Then, in the late 50s, came the
rock revolution. Teenagers now had their own music, with it own new sound.
Rock was aggressive, loud and blatantly sexual the antithesis of mainstream
adult culture. It absolutely flummoxed and outraged parents, who, like the
adults in Bye Bye Birdie, asked, Whats the matter with kids today?

When Elvis Presley, a Tennessee
truck driver who had become rock n
rolls first real superstar, hit national
TV, he was quickly shot from the
waist up only; his suggestive pelvis
shaking was simply too much for the
older generation to handle. Shortly
after, the shaggy-haired Beatles and
prancing Mick Jagger along with the
Rolling Stones burst onto the music scene. Besides The Ed Sullivan Show,
American Bandstand, hosted by Dick Clark, was the most popular portal
through which teens got their fix of rock. On the show, popular musicians
stopped by to perform, Clark played the latest rock songs to make the top of
the charts, and a cast of teens danced along with the music, showing off the
latest dance steps.
Rock n roll was perhaps the leading element in the creation of the generation gap. Kids had, for the first time, a
popular culture entirely their own, and became fanatical worshipers of teen idols like Elvis and Conway Twitty (from
whom Conrad Birdie gets his name). Parents like Birdies ready-to-pull-his-hair-out Mr. MacAfee, simply didnt know
what to make of those crazy kids. The teenagers, for their part, didnt put much stock in their parents way of life
either by the 1960s young people declared, Dont trust anyone over thirty!

Check out these videos:

Elvis Presley
Conway Twitty
Frank Sinatra

UPSTAGE FALL 2009 Bye Bye Birdie 9

Interview with

the Composer: Charles Strouse

UPSTAGE discussed the score of Bye Bye Birdie with composer Charles Strouse
When did you first realize you wanted to
compose for the theatre?
When I got out of music school, I went to the Eastern
School for music and then studied for a year at
Tanglewood and then in Paris. I was going to be a
composer. On my way there, out of college, I had to
make a living and I started playing piano for singers, for
classes, and rehearsals of shows. I played in strip clubs, I
played in joints in the east Bronx. I was making a living.
Ive always had a feeling for jazz, but the Broadway
musical caught me. It wasnt my background, I was
good at jazz, which was really the rock of its day.
Can you tell me a little bit about the inspiration for
Bye Bye Birdie? How did that all come about?
First of all, there was a producer by the name of Ed
Padula. He had seen some pieces that Lee Adams and
I wrote in a show called The Shoestring Revue. We
were very close friends with Mike Stewart, who wrote
the libretto for Bye, Bye Birdie. We all worked up in
a place called Green Mansions, where we did a revue
every week. He had an idea about doing a show about
teenagers, and it was a totally different idea than it
turned out, because we added the rock n roll singer. I
added the rock n roll music because Presley was in the
ascendancy then, although he wasnt really rock n roll. I
listened to a great deal of that music. It was a time when
this teenage bubble was floating, and once we invented
a rock n roll singer, and Mike Stewart wrote this funny,
funny plot (in my opinion), the rest came together.
Lee and I like to think of Bye Bye Birdie as being the
first rock musical, and I have no idea why people dont
mention it as that. We satirized it, we understood and
absorbed it and we used it.
Do you remember who came up with the name
Conrad Birdie?
Oh, yes, very easily. The first name that Michael wrote
was Conway Birdie, and Conway Twittys lawyer called
whomever and said that they would sue. There was a
rock star by the name of Conway Twitty. Believe it or
not, there was. I forget whose idea it was, but one of us
changed the name to Conrad Birdie. The title Bye Bye
Birdie was a great embarrassment to me at the time.
I remember this distinctly because I thought it was a
silly title, and for the first week for what were our first
auditions for Broadway, everybody came in and sang
Bye, Bye Blackbird, since no one had any idea of a
rock show on Broadway. I mean at the beginning people
wouldnt even listen to it. We had years and years of
playing it, and no one who liked Broadway liked the
meaningful drumbeat that was rock n roll.


You went through a number of different titles, is

that true?
Yes, it was called, at one point, The Day They Took
Birdie Away, One Last Kiss. Going Steady was
another title. And for a reason that I guess was
determined by the gods, the advertising agency said,
The posters are coming out, this is what its going
to be.
Can you talk a little bit about the changes you
made to the show on its way to New York?
Well, it was my first Broadway show, so everything
about it was precious and unnerving, but in retrospect,
we made very few changes. I was desperate to throw out
the song Put On a Happy Face because we wrote it
for a place in the show on The Ed Sullivan Show where
Dick Van Dyke, who has a very plastic face, was setting
up the Sullivan show. The lighting people were flashing
different colored lights on his face and the technicians
were dancing and singing. It was wonderful, except
the audience didnt like it at all, and they didnt like
Dick in it. It was Marge Champion, Gower Champions
wife, who suggested putting it into the first act where
Van Dyke sang it to two sad girls and did a tap dance.
That was a great source of embarrassment for me, too,
because I was recently out of the school of music where
I was writing fugues and sonatas and things. The idea
that the first music my friends would see would be to
a tap dance felt humiliating, but, of course, as soon
as Dick did it, it stopped the show, so to speak. Dick
became well loved at that moment and the song has
gone on to become a standard.
What do you look for in a director?
Well, I would say someone who has an imagination of
how a space can physically move and how the actors
move around in that space. Gower was such a person
and Bobby, our director for this revival, is too. The
stage moves differently today. I would also say what I
admire in a director is the ability to hear the spoken
word for more than the just the literary meaning. Of
course, Jerry Robbins was that type director. Thats what
I look for. It has to do with rhythm and feeling. Ive
worked with a lot of book writers or librettists and a lot
of them do not realize that its the rhythm, the music
and the spirit that the music brings that are telling the
story. There is kind of fluid undertone which I think
directors like Robbins captured and, for me, thats very
Will there be new orchestrations for this version?
I know that Jonathan Tunick called me and he said

that hes on board. The first time on Broadway, we

had a 23-piece orchestra and now its not that size.
What Jonathan, I think, is doing is bringing what was
four woodwinds down to three or two. It takes a lot of
musicianship to do that and still have the harmonies
balanced and all. We had a master orchestrator, Robert
Ginzler, do the original production. So I cant conceive
that its going to be completely rethought by Jonathan.
The one thing I did discuss with Jonathan, and we had
a disagreement about it, and Im not sure whether he is
right or not, is that I wanted to speak to the drummer
and to the guitarist, and I wanted to use instruments
that we didnt use before. We did not use an electrified
bass, which has more of a ping to it, and I wanted to
talk to the drummer about spiking up the drum parts
a little bit. And Jonathan said, Oh, no, you cant take it
out of the 60s. And I said, Im talking about polishing
it. I reminded him that not everyone listens as closely
as he or I do. In Annie there were a number of songs,
particularly Tomorrow, that would never have been
written in the 30s, and I was very sensitive to that fact
and felt that some critic was going to mention it. But
nobody mentioned it.
Are you making any musical changes for this
There is one brilliant one that Bobby Longbottom put
in, which I dont really want to talk about because it
surprised me. It delighted me and Im hoping it will do
the same to the audience.
Can you tell me a little about your reaction to the
movie and TV versions of your piece?
Well, the movie was totally different from the stage
show. But we had the very good dumb luck of having
Ann-Margret play Kim. Lee and I both felt she was
wrong, but she made it into a hit. Everybody remembers
Ann-Margret. But the movie itself was decidedly
different from the original version Mike had written.
That movie had a different thrust, and it had a star who
was no more Spanish than I am.
But they tried to make Janet Leigh look like Chita
with the black wig and everything.
They tried. There was no reason in the world that they
couldnt come up with a Latina. Thats what made that
character a success. We didnt even know it then. We
wrote it originally for a Polish girl.
I read in the Gower Champion biography that you
changed her name to Alvarez once Chita was on
Well, we wrote it for Carol Haney, who was going to
do it, but she developed some problems right before
rehearsal. We didnt know what to do every joke was
about her being Polish. Polish is not a religion. Polish
is thisPolish is that. Alberts mother made fun of

her. They were going to live in Warsaw and all that. And
when Carol declined, and Chita was a very close friend
of ours, we said, What about Chita? And everyone
said, Wow! And Mike had to change every joke to a
Spanish joke every one of them -- and they worked
exactly the same way. We became more hip, if I may say
so, which is an old fashioned word, but we became more
with it for making her Spanish.
Do you have advice for any young people who
want to compose for the theater?
Youve got to hang out in or close to the theatrical
world; which doesnt seem like good advice, but thats
the thing that is going to do it. Hopefully by doing that,
youll catch on to one of the golden rings and pull on
it. I do think that there is great difficulty in finding
that golden ring or even getting people to read any of
your compositions. I founded one of the workshops at
ASCAP. It was a musical theater workshop like Lehman
Engel did at BMI, and I think theres a kind of oiling
of the machinery that happens at those workshops.
But I also feel very strongly that its not building the
machinery. The machinery is built by having to sell
your work. Lee and Mike and I performed Bye Bye
Birdie a hundred times for people who could not have
been less interested. We did not do a reading. Im
against readings, though I must say the workshop done
at the Roundabout was terrific, I really liked it, but that
show was done already. I do not believe that getting six
disparate actors and getting them to do the script for
backers who just came there for a pleasant afternoon is
something that works. The only people who can really
help you know what you have written is an audience.
I wanted to end by asking you if there was any
question about Bye Bye Birdie that I should have
asked, but didnt?
Well, Bye Bye Birdie was obviously a transitional point
in my life. I wasnt married at the time and everyone
called me Buddy. It was a time when I could finally have
some confidence. I didnt have any self-confidence when
I was writing serious music. I felt way, way out of it. UP

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Interview with

the Lyricist: Lee Adams

UPSTAGE recently interviewed Bye Bye Birdie Lyricist Lee Adams.

When did you know you wanted to write lyrics for

the theatre?
Well, in my undergraduate days at Ohio State, I wrote
a college show--I thought the lyrics were pretty good,
which they werent. I got interested in writing lyrics as a
hobby. I came to New York to go to graduate school and
met Charles Strouse, who was an aspiring composer. I
thought I was a pretty good lyricist and I showed him
my lyrics. He didnt think they were so great, but we got
along. That was 50 years ago, and weve been working
together ever since.
I believe you two worked on summer revues
together -- is that true?
Yes, all through the 50s we worked on revues for small
theaters. We did revues in New York and London. We
wrote for nightclub performers and then tried to get our
$250 fee, which was not always easy. Then we gradually
began improving our craft, and, so, in 1959, when a
producer asked us if we would like to write a Broadway
show, of course, the answer had to be yes.
Was that producer Edward Padula?
Yes, that was Edward Padula, and the show became Bye
Bye Birdie.
Can you tell me a little about whom or what was
the inspiration for Bye Bye Birdie? Did it come
from Padula?
It came from the writers - Charles Strouse, Mike
Stewart, and myself.
So was Elvis Presley your inspiration? The
Generation Gap? How did you sense that this
would be a good musical?
We were exploring a way to do a show about teenagers
in America in 1960, and I think Im the one who had
the idea that we could do a satire based on the adulation
kids had for Elvis Presley. He was going into the army
about that time. So Mike Stewart, the wonderful book
writer, liked the idea and the show developed.
Who came up with the name Conrad Birdie?
Oh, I guess we all did. I dont know -- its so long ago,
its hard to remember.
I read in a biography of Gower Champion (the
original director and choreographer of the show)
that you all made a lot of changes on the road to
New York in Philadelphia. Can you tell me if thats
true and what kinds of things were happening at
that point?



Yes, well, in those days a musical could go out of town

for a tryout and we could fix the bugs. There was always
rewriting to do. We went to Philadelphia and, of course,
we did lots of rewriting on the road. You learn so
much from the audience when you are putting a show
together. Nowadays its pretty hard to go on the road
with a show - economically its difficult. But we were
able to do our rewriting after visiting only one city.
And is it true that the piece had a number of
different titles?
Oh, yes. Titles are always a problem. It was called The
Day They Took Birdie Away. It was called...I forget
what else.

Going Steady - wasnt that another title?

Thats right. Going Steady was another title. Then
finally out of sheer desperation, somebody said Bye Bye
Birdie. We said, Thats kind of a stupid title, but lets go
with it. And so we did.
Can you tell me a little bit about working with
Michael and Charles? How did you go about it?
First of all, we got along famously because we all
worked together at a place called Green Mansions in
the Adirondack Mountains, which was a camp for
New Yorkers to go to in the summer and eat a lot and
play tennis and swim and see shows. And we wrote
shows there for three summers. As far as the score is
concerned, Strouse and I might get an idea for a number
based on a scene, based on the character. Maybe Ill get
the idea for a lyric. Ill write the lyric and bring it back
to Strouse, hell criticize it, Ill rewrite it and then come
back to him. Hell write a tune, Ill criticize it, and so on
like that. Seldom do you just sit in a room and write
It sounds like sometimes the melody came first and
then the lyrics for this, or vice versa. Was there a
set pattern of how you worked on the score?
Theres no pattern. Composers often have tunes ready
in their drawer that are waiting for a lyric. Lyricists
dont have that luxury. We write for the character and
for the scene. But the composer will say, Hey, maybe
this tune Ive got lying around will work for this scene.
And if you agree, you work on it. Usually though, in
a collaboration like the one with Charles Strouse, the
lyric comes first, and thats just the way it is for us. Not
always, but usually. There is no set formula for that

Did Champion and Padula have any influence on

the creation of the piece?
Well, a good director always has an influence, and our
training has been to listen to the director and go with
his vision of the show. Thats how good shows are made.
Good shows are not made with different collaborators
going in different directions. You got to have one style,
one vision, and usually thats the directors. And if that
director is Gower or Hal Prince or any of the great
directors weve worked with, you go with his vision and
he guides you along the way. But, of course, the work is
Will there be any changes to this version that
youre aware of, in terms of the lyrics or the book
or anything?
After 49 years the show is pretty set. But, yes, there are
changes. I made some changes just the other day to
accommodate our wonderful director/choreographer
Robert Longbottom, who has to tailor the show to the
stars we now have. He had some ideas, for example,
about a song called Spanish Rose, which Gina Gershon
is going to be doing. To incorporate her talent the song
is going to be expanded a bit. There are fixes along the
way, but generally the show is pretty set.
What did you make of the movie and television
versions of Bye Bye Birdie? Were you pleased with
Well, I never liked the movie too much because it
departed too much from the stage show that I liked. It
is very rare that a stage show adapts well to the movies.
Going from one medium to another doesnt usually
work very well. Some shows it works for, but not many.
I loved the television version because we worked hard
on that, and I thought it was terrific. But I never cared
that much for the movie. When you sell a show to the
movies, they make their movie; you dont have the final
say. On Broadway the writers have the say. We own the
property, and they cant cast it or do anything without
our approval. So you have real control. When you make
the movie, you sell the movie and you cash the check.
They make the movie.

and study the great shows of the past. Learn how they
are put together, how they are made, and go from there.
Do you use a rhyming dictionary?
Its helpful. It doesnt give you any brilliant rhymes, but
its a guide. Most lyricists I know use one.
Is there a question you felt I should have asked
that I didnt?
I dont think so. Its awful hard to talk about this
process. Writing a musical is very tricky. One of my
mentors, Joshua Logan the great director, said, Every
hit show is a fluke. Its a fluke of the right writers
writing the same show together, casting it properly,
directing it properly. Its a huge collaborative process,
and its very difficult. When it works its terrific, but it
doesnt always work.
I sense a lot of it has to do with timing. Somehow
the theme of the show hits the American psyche at
the right time which you obviously did when Birdie
was first produced.
I guess timing is important, but the main thing is
to write an entertaining show that has interesting
characters, and that is very hard to do. UP

Do you have any advice for a young person who

might want to write lyrics for the theater?
Thats a hard one. Its a very different theater now than
it was when we began in the late 50s. Its much more
difficult to get a show on, and so I have no idea really
what to tell young writers except that you just have to
write and work. Get your show on anywhere you can

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Interview with

the Costume Designer: Gregg Barnes

UPSTAGE recently spoke with costume designer Gregg Barnes about the choices he
made in bringing the fashion of Sweet Apple, Ohio to life.
What kind of research did you have to do to design
costumes for Bye Bye Birdie?
Bobby Longbottom, the director, wanted to find a
heightened reality that could also define the humanity
of the people in the piece. So I got a Montgomery
Ward catalogue from 1960 and it was just a goldmine.
There were all these mother-daughter outfits. You could
literally buy these textiles for your wallpaper, your
apron and your dress! It was almost like your entire
life would be organized around this one taste element.
Weve really run with that. For example, were making
an apron that has an appliqu of exactly the same
pattern as the kitchen wallpaper. Weve blown up the
scale so its theatrically interesting. The idea was that in
Sweet Apple, Ohio, everyones identity is formed when
that catalogue comes to them every year. Rosie and
Albert arrive in Sweet Apple. Obviously they are New
Yorkers, and they are made to look like the other. All
the actors playing residents of Sweet Apple are arranged
in families. Theres the mother and the father and they
all have three children, either two daughters and a son
or two sons and a daughter. Theres a yellow family and
a lime green family and a lavender family and an aqua
family and an orange family. Its very stylish -- not like
a slice of life-- yet it still comes from the reality of this
Montgomery Ward catalogue.
Tell me a little bit about the silhouette of the
clothes that people wore in 1960. Was it tailored?
Im thinking Jackie Kennedy, but she was ahead of
the curve, right?
Yes, exactly. You know its interesting that you ask that
question because in the Montgomery Ward catalogue
every single garment looked like it was from 1956. It
was like Jackie Kennedy hadnt hit the Midwest. As
you said, she was ahead of the curve. So weve tried to
make a distinction between the New York sections, and
with Rosie, what a modern woman or an urban woman
would wear as opposed to what the suburbs would feel
like. So most of the design of the piece, because most
of it takes place in Sweet Apple, looks like the late 50s.
But in the beginning section we see the sleeker 1960s
silhouette. The 60s was kind of a big revolution in
fashion because all of these things started happening
right at this time. Right around 1960 people started
to tease their hair, which is a simple idea. But what it
meant was that they didnt wear hats anymore. Your hair
became your hat and so legions of milliners all went
out of business. It was a big transition. Some of the
best theatrical milliners were people who had worked
in the fashion world and then, because their job was


taken out from under them, they started making period

hats. Woody Shelp was the best example. He was the
legendary Broadway milliner. He was one of the best
milliners in America, and the theater inherited him,
which was such an incredible gift. He passed away a few
years ago, but I think we all learned a lot at the feet of
Woody Shelp.
Does this mean that you will be overseeing a lot of
wigs for our production?
Yes. Brian Brown is the hair and wig designer, so he will
ultimately be making those design choices. Of course, in
the sketches you present a shape and an idea, and then
he takes that information to the next level. We worked
on Legally Blonde and Flower Drum Song together,
and I think hes brilliant. He always brings something
very interesting to the table. So, I have in my head an
approach for what the hair and wig design should look
like. One thing were doing, which I think will be really
interesting, is were not wigging the kids so they have
a more natural look, an unaffected kind of look. The
mothers we are wigging so that they really look like they
go to the beauty parlor once a week. I said to Brian,
Id really like to set up a world where if you met these
women twenty years later, the look from this period
in their lives would be so distinctive that they would
still be using it. Brians just beginning his journey with
the piece, but I know it will be really interesting. When
I met with Bill Irwin the other day, he said, I hope I
get to have a flat top. And I said, Oh, I hope you do
too, that would be so great. Along with the motherdaughter dresses matching the kitchen curtains and all
of that, were trying to do that same generational thing
where if the dad has a flat top, the son has a flat top too.
There is a feeling that the son is going to grow up to be
that father.
In addition to that Montgomery Ward catalogue,
was anything like The Patty Duke Show or movies
from this period valuable to you?
Oh sure, I looked at a lot of it. Bobby Longbottom and I
are almost exactly the same age. He grew up on the West
Coast and I grew up on the East Coast, but we have a
very similar pop culture reference. Hell bring up some
fact or a show or a film and I know immediately what he
is talking about; we have a bit of a short hand that way.
We did use Father Knows Best and The Patty Duke Show
as references. We looked at a lot of teen idols because
Conrad Birdie is a teen idol. I believe every time he has
been portrayed, (at least by anyone Ive ever seen), hes
kind of an older hunk, and Bobby had this idea that

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Birdie would be very young himself, so that the dynamic

between a teenagers crush and the object of her
affection is not really her dad, but is somewhere in the
middle. So I looked at a lot of teen idols, and we have a
heartthrob file. Were trying to look for a different image
for Conrad. Hes always worn the gold lam jump suit,
thats always how hes been portrayed, and were not
doing that at all. Were finding a new vocabulary for
So Elvis Presleys wardrobe is not going to be much
help for you in designing for this character?
Whats great about Elvis was that he did join the
military and go to war, so we did look at him a lot, but
in his young days, pre-Ed Sullivan show days. We really
looked at his hair and we have a shirt - they called it a
jack shirt and it has a blunt bottom - thats based on a
picture of Elvis, but he is so young in it you can hardly
recognize him.
I remember a lot of tight jeans, right?
Yeah, thats right. In the second act, theres an interesting
story-telling component to the design. Conrad takes
all the kids out on the town and they are all rebelling
against this cookie-cutter image. So Bobby gave me
the challenge of exploring different things we can do
where it is really clear to the audience that these kids
were rebelling against the parents. In the rest of the
piece, they very much look interchangeable, but when
they get to this scene, they are dressed like young screen
starlets the teens might look up to. The clothes are more
sensual, with a lot of tight Capri pants. The parents
pile into the streets looking for their lost children, and
when they come upon them, a couple of them will
have a piece of cotton candy-colored clothing that they
will try to cover their kids with because they have been
It sounds like thats a challenging costume change.
Exactly. We actually have a couple of really challenging
costume changes. In the first act, in the change from
New York City to Sweet Apple, what happens is that all
of the adults are playing reporters interviewing Rosie
and Albert and trying to get the dirt on Conrad, and the
young ensemble is all a New York City Conrad Birdie
fan club. And then we have a 20 second change, and
there are 21 people changing. I believe weve only got 7
dressers. So weve really had to create a do-it-yourself
quick change for all of these people because when they
arrive in Sweet Apple they all come out on this treadmill
with these bright colors. You know, the pink puffy skirt,
early Lawrence Welk Show look.
What are some of the other challenges of clothing
so many people?
You make a lot of decisions about the style of the piece
and how the piece will look and then often times the
actor who is cast comes in and doesnt fit into the mold.



So I think you have to be adaptable, because ultimately

its a very specific actor were building this story on.
There are certain things you have to shift gears with
because any good actor is going to bring something very
interesting to the table. I want to make sure the actor is
completely at ease and knows as much about the clothes
as I do by the time they hit the deck. Its interesting,
when actors come in for measurements, I try to always
be there to meet them, and we take pictures to see what
they look like and see ways that we can use qualities
of their posture, their body type, their coloring, etc.
We have to find that balance between what makes an
interesting re-invention of Bye Bye Birdie and what is
the humanity of the piece. Thats a challenge.
Especially since you have, what, 40 in your
Yeah, I know.
I was curious about why you like working with
Bobby Longbottom. Could you talk to us a little
about what perspective he brings to your process?
I tell you its a professional pleasure when he calls me
to work with him because he has a very unique point
of view. This is a funny thing to say; but he knows what
hes looking at. When you are describing things, he
knows what you are talking about, and hes very visual.
Hes also a risk taker, which I love. Oftentimes, the work
with Bobby isnt what youd call quiet work because hes
a partner in the storytelling, and that was certainly true
with Flower Drum Song and Side Show. Everything Ive
done with him has been spectacular. Weve done quite
a few things together, and hes very witty, and I feel like
our energies are in tune.

I wanted to end with a question I always ask,

which isis there a question I should have asked
that I didnt? Is there any aspect of your process
that we didnt discuss? Or maybe youd like to talk
about the theater itself? Its a brand new space.
Ive been in the new Henry Millers Theatre once and I
felt honored to go in there. Its very exciting to be part
of something where, in essence, everything behind that
facade is new. There arent any memories there yet. Its
really kind of a magical thing to be part of the maiden
voyage of a new Broadway theater. I thought about that
a lot as I was wandering around looking at the dressing
room spaces, and I thought, I cant wait until a month
into the run and we get to see how all this work weve
done becomes part of this buildings history. I know
anytime I go into a Broadway house where I have the
privilege of working, I just think, Oh, all the stuff thats
gone on here, all the memories. People leave little bits
of the history of each production in each theatre. And
Im excited to be part of that. UP

What advice you would give to a young person

that would like to be a costume designer?
Well, I guess for me a thing that is important for a kid
to do is to go to the theater and see as much as you
can and also to be part of the community. If you hear
that theres an event, dont miss the flea market, dont
miss Broadway Bares. Introduce yourself, say hello. I
also always think that you have to be a generous spirit
in the theater. I taught at the NYU graduate school
for twenty years, and I used to say to my kids, when
you go see a show, if you see something that you truly
love and that you really respect, write the person a
note. Not because you need a job or for a political
purpose, but just because its the right thing to do. Im
not saying I do that myselfIm terrible about that,
but I feel its an important thing to be a part of the
community. And sure enough, those little things you
put out come back to you because someday someone
will say, Hey, five years ago you sent me a note and
now were sitting at the table together and were getting
a chance to collaborate. I feel like those things are
important in life.

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Theatrical Terms
DANCE MUSIC: Music written specifically to accompany a dance sequence in a musical
11 O CLOCK NUMBER: A show-stopping, emotional number that comes very near the end of a musical
(which used to be right around 11 o clock). Famous ones include Roses Turn from Gypsy and
Memory from Cats
LYRICS: All the words in a musical that have been put to music
OVERTURE: A mixture of songs from a musical which is played before the curtain goes up to give the
audience a feel for the story to come
REPRISE: In a musical, when a song is performed again
BOOK: All the non-sung words in a musical
HARMONY: The combination of simultaneous musical notes in a chord structure of music
BACKBEAT: A steady pronounced rhythm stressing the second and forth beats of a four-beat measure

Vocabulary from Bye Bye Birdie :

OVALTINE: A famous label of chocolate milk powder that was particularly well-known in the 1950s and 60s
ORGY: A group overindulgence in any kind of pleasure, especially a sexual one
GO STEADY: To go out with someone in an ongoing, serious manner
AMERICANA: Anything concerning distinctly American culture
CONSCRIPTION CENTER: Government office where
those drafted had to report
SHRINERS: A secret fraternal society called the Ancient
Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine.
Members of this society are called Shriners. They
are committed to community services projects and
supporting the Shriners Hospital for Children.
SOFT SHOE: A laidback dance routine performed in soft
shoes, like jazz shoes
TO DIG: 1950s slang meaning to really be into
something or to like something a lot
TO PIN: To give a girl your high school pin to symbolize
that you are now going steady



Pre Show Activities:
In Bye Bye Birdie, Kim receives a call inviting her to be kissed on The Ed Sullivan Show.
This phone call ultimately changed her life. Identify a phone call that would change
your life. (click here for activity 1)
The song Spanish Rose defines aspects of the character Rosie. Identify a song that
relates to your life. (click here for activity 2)
Color and pattern are key elements used in defining a particular decade. Describe a color
that best represents 2009. (click here for activity 3)

Post Show Activities:

Having seen Bye Bye Birdie, at the end of the play many of the characters make a life
decision that will affect their future. Choose a character from Bye Bye Birdie and describe
how you see him/her 10 years later. (click here for activity 4)
Where do you see yourself in 10 years? (click here for activity 4)

Title: Resources
Austen, Jake, TV a-go-go: Tock on TV from American Bandstand to
American Idol. Chicago: Chicago Review Press, 2005.
Clark, Dick and Bronson, Fred, Dick Clarks American
Bandstand. New York: Collins Publishers, 1997.
Hischak, Thomas, The Oxford Companion to the
American Musical. New York: Oxford University Press,
Kallen, Stuart A., The Home Front: Americans Protest the
War. San Diego: Lucent Books, 2001.
Kantor, Michael and Maslon, Laurence, Broadway: The
American Musical. New York: Bulfinch Press, 2004.
Leonard, John, Falkenburg, Claudia and Solt, Andrew, A
Really Big Show. New York: Viking Studio Books, 1992.
Watson, Cynthia A., U.S. Military Service. Santa Barbara:
ABC-CLIO, Inc., 2007.
The Best of Ed Sullivan Parts I & II. CBS Video.

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When you get to the theatre...

below are some helpful tips for making your theatre-going experience more enjoyable.

Ticket Policy


Audience Etiquette

As a student participant in Producing Partners, Page To Stage or Theatre Access, you

will receive a discounted ticket to the show
from your teacher on the day of the performance. You will notice that the ticket indicates the section, row and number of your
assigned seat. When you show your ticket
to the usher inside the theatre, he or she will
show you where your seat is located. These
tickets are not transferable and you must sit
in the seat assigned to you.

All the theatre patrons are provided with a

program that includes information about the
people who put the production together. In
the Whos Who section, for example, you
can read about the actors roles in other
plays and films, perhaps some you have already seen.

As you watch the show please remember

that the biggest difference between live
theatre and a film is that the actors can see
you and hear you and your behavior can
affect their performance. They appreciate
your applause and laughter, but can be
easily distracted by people talking or getting up in the middle of the show. So please
save your comments or need to use the rest
room for intermission. Also, there is no food
permitted in the theatre, no picture taking
or recording of any kind, and if you have a
cell phone, beeper, alarm watch or anything
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