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fulfillment in their life then they will feel miserable, for a good part of them this "fulfillment" comes from
things that they enjoy doing.
You can't be completely disinterested in something you are doing 8 hours a day. You say that disinterest
will avoid you feeling misery, but it will also stop you from feeling joy.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)15:58:26 No.6320268 ?
>>6320114
No, his post makes sense, you just have to read it as "I want to have contributed but I lack motivation to
actually contribute"
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)15:59:15 No.6320272 ?>>6320315
>>6320217
Interesting perspective. What has lead you to this conclusion?
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:05:06 No.6320285 ?>>6320290 >>6320319 >>6320327 >>6320332
>>6320359 >>6320368
>>6320076
> What is wrong with vidya?
It's a waste of fucking time you stupid fucking twat. READ. READ READ READ. Shut the fuck up,
turn off your computer and read and only turn it back on when you feel you've worked hard enough to
warrant a rest. Jesus christ "what wrong with vidja". You've been behind a screen so long you don't even
know you're looking at one. Never play videogames again and become a better, happier and more
thoughtful person (and a lot more fun to be around).
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:06:10 No.6320290 ?>>6320293 >>6320298
>>6320285
>It's a waste of fucking time you stupid fucking twat
just like reading fiction
both are mere entertainment
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:08:57 No.6320293 ?>>6320298 >>6320327
>>6320290
>just like reading fiction
Everyone,
This is this what League of Legends will do to you. Not a joke.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:11:27 No.6320298 ?>>6320300
>>6320293
>>6320290
I am still confused as to what the fuck you guys mean by fiction? Some of you say it involves every
single novel, others say that it just involves novels like Harry Potter, Hunger games, Game of Thrones
etc.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:11:48 No.6320299 ?>>6320307
>>6320217
>If you go down the route of "finding what you are interested in" you will become a Beethoven manicdepressive whose happiness depends upon his situation in relation to his obsession.
>If you go down the correct route of dispassionately you could be a CEO or a janitor and fulfil your role
with the same contentment.
So you're basically saying that if I allow myself to be passionate I'll be Beethoven, and if I restrain myself
from passion I'll become a janitor?
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:13:04 No.6320300 ?>>6320320
>>6320298
And that uncertainty is exactly why stupid reductionist attitudes like this LoL-fuckface are stupid.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:14:02 No.6320307 ?>>6320323
>>6320299
I found it funny too that he tried to put Beethoven in a negative light.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:16:01 No.6320315 ?>>6320331
>>6320272
I've heard arguments from both sides. Almost all the wise men of the ages are on the side of
dispassionately, detachment, simple living, being content with small things. Ecclesiastes opens with the
statement that all is vanity, and ends by saying that you should keep the commandments of God in
simplicity and not worry about anything else. There was a great Roman empire who said before he died,
"I've been everything, nothing is worth it."
The philosophers of ambition are people like the mythical Faust who sells his soul to acquire secret
wisdom. In the end, the ambitious who seek to accomplish their "great work" or "Magnus opus" only
end up ruining themselves, yet they have no compunction about ruining others if they can achieve their
imaginary greatness for a moment.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:16:41 No.6320319 ?>>6320459
>>6320285
this sounds like great advice if you hate yourself
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:17:12 No.6320320 ?>>6320459
>>6320300
That didn't quite answer my question.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:17:27 No.6320323 ?>>6320343 >>6320479
>>6320307
Beethoven is a typical Faust figure. The tortured genius. Like Hamlet, who think it's his job to set the
world right and only ends up driving himself and those close to him mad.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:19:15 No.6320327 ?>>6320333 >>6320459
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>>6320293
>>6320285
>mfw just finished a 25/6/17 dota 2 match
[ ] better person
[ ] happier person
[ ] thoughtful person
[ ] fun to be around
thank god i'm a neet and i don't give a shit
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:19:59 No.6320331 ?
>>6320315
So, you are saying that we shouldn't seek our "Magnus Opus" and just hope that we stumble against it
by chance? You are saying that humans shouldn't strive for greatness and live in mere simplicity. To each
their own I guess, that is something I would never admit.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:21:03 No.6320332 ?>>6320368 >>6320459 >>6320805 >>6320858
>>6320285
>he doesn't think video games can be art
sure, they're much lower in maximum potential than a book (at the moment--who knows what future
tech will transform it into), but they still have their artistic merit (particularly some unique to their form)
>never play videogames again
replace "videogames" with any art form or media and you'll see how retarded you are
hell, I would argue that in 200 or so years, video games will probably eclipse books in terms of artistic
merit
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>>6320327
>dota 2
>[ ] happier person
Yep, nothing out of the ordinary here
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:25:14 No.6320343 ?
>>6320323
And now look at what he accomplished. He is one of the greatest musician to ever grace this planet, he
is at the very top. If greatness is what he was trying to attain, then he was successful.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:27:11 No.6320350 ?
maybe start slower with not contributing anything to society but just be productive. doesnt mean to do
something good or beautiful, drawing all out inside a little frame is being productive as well, though the
result may be shit. and the best way to start things like that imo is to not give a shit if it will look like
shit. otherwise i guess you could join some kind of organization, idk, maybe something in politics,
maybe at the university, whatever, they are happy and encouraging for doing something, though its
mostly unpaid shitty work like giving flyers for some event of theirs. but slowly you get into it and think
about "which event could i create?". or write a fucking essay about how you feel about art or your life
or something
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:29:55 No.6320359 ?>>6320459
>>6320285
why video games specifically? what about tabletop and card games? what do you think a video game is?
You're probably just old.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:33:37 No.6320368 ?>>6320459
>>6320332
>>6320285
> What is wrong with reading?
It's a waste of fucking time you stupid fucking twat. PLAY. PLAY. PLAY. PLAY. Shut the fuck up, turn
on your computer and play video games and only turn it back off when you feel you've played hard
enough to warrant a rest. Jesus christ "what wrong with reading". You've been behind a book so long
you don't even know you're looking at one. Never read books again and become a better, happier and
more thoughtful person (and a lot more fun to be around).
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:47:05 No.6320414 ?
>>6320041
This.
It is the best way to broaden one's horizon.
Not to say fiction can't do it...
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)16:52:20 No.6320428 ?
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>>6320083
idk, tell me about you
share your pains with me
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)17:04:43 No.6320459 ?>>6320477 >>6320492 >>6320504 >>6320568
>>6320728 >>6321222
>>6320319
>>6320320
>>6320327
>>6320332
>>6320359
>>6320368
Look. I didn't say videogames can't be art, and yes I was being very hyperbolic, but here's a fact: the
online gaming world is largely a waste of time to participate in. Why add more screen-watching to your
day? Don't you find it fucking addictive and lonely? Don't you ever feel empty watching the time go by,
getting attached to stupid, meaningless aspects of games? I'm 25 years old. I'm not saying I'm
superhuman and spend my time hyper efficiently, but stimming on a game night after night seems
repulsive to me now. You should be working and exercising and reading and writing and doing
intellectually stimulating shit. Gaming is not productive.
>inb4 "yes/ sorry Dad"
You can live however you want, I don't care about any of you. Just think about how you spend your
time because these years are formative and they fly by.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)17:09:04 No.6320477 ?
>>6320459
>I don't care about any of you.
Okay anon...
I agree with you otherwise. Screen time is one of the most destructive habits of the modern world. It
erodes people's social sanity... I think so many problems in the USA stem from television and other
forms of screen time.
It is depersonalizing.
Read E Unibus Pluram by DFW (peace be upon him)
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)17:09:40 No.6320478 ?
[]Reginault 8 points 6 months ago
What if I'm blandly apathetic and happy?
[]MJOLNIRdragoon 8 points 6 months ago
Then you have life figured out.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)17:09:46 No.6320479 ?
>>6320323
Besides what the other poster said about Beethoven, Hamlet didn't turn out so bad in the end either. He
finally seized the initiative and did the heroic thing, and was memorialized by Fortinbras as a great man.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)17:15:52 No.6320492 ?>>6320569 >>6320745
>>6320459
idk, pretty much the only socializing I do is talking to people in online games. if i didn't i would be really
alone. But people usually have other interests as well as gaming.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)17:19:37 No.6320504 ?>>6320530 >>6320567 >>6320599
>>6320459
I'm still saying it sounds like great advice if you hate yourself
can't live life like you're studying for an exam, reading and exercising and maaaybe working and doing
intellectually stimulating shit are all great but it gotta come natural, motivating yourself by wishing to be
"a good person" and then doing obligatory good person stuff and throwing all the things you like in the
trash and running away from your past self is probably a bad idea
it's probably better to be a successful big-dicked billionaire philosopher bodybuilder than some loser
playing video games, but at the same time it's probably better to be some loser playing video games than
some moderately successful limp-dicked middle class intellectual who runs on the weekends and is
deathly afraid of turning back into a loser playing video games
t. loser playing video games
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)17:26:21 No.6320524 ?
>>6320013 (OP)
The question is how can somebody contribute to our society is a big question and in the end it all
depend on what you feel.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)17:29:36 No.6320529 ?
>>6320076
Try contributing to good causes, like free software.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)17:30:02 No.6320530 ?>>6320577
>>6320504
As far as mental happiness goes, that's wrong, at least for most people.
Happiness is tied quite strongly with levels of physical activity and social adaptivity. It may not be true
for you, but most people do not feel happy with a completely sedative lifestyle. Studies bear this out on
a personal level (people are more depressed the more screen time they have) and it seems to hold true
on a societal level (depression levels keep rising along with screen time).
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)17:42:29 No.6320567 ?>>6320577
>>6320504
THAT'S great advice if you hate yourself. You're a loser right now, but maybe if you cultivate some
fucking faith you might surprise yourself. You're not giving yourself enough credit.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)17:44:02 No.6320568 ?>>6320573
>>6320459
Who says I dont exercise? Regularly, I work out for 2 hours, I read on a daily basis, and soon I will be
dealing with the last of my major. That doesn't mean that I will stop doing things that I enjoy, like
watching films, playing video games (although I don't play daily), going out with friends, fucking girls,
attending to the theater for some classical music presentation given the chance. If there is something that
I want to stop doing is wasting so much time on the internet, and by that I mean wasting my time on this
website. It has been 4 years already with this one.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)17:45:02 No.6320569 ?
>>6320492
Sounds weak to me. And it sounds like you're generally unhappy and haven't managed to man up and
think about all the shit you don't want to think about, ever.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)17:46:30 No.6320573 ?>>6320638
>>6320568
Sounds like you're doing fine, asshole. Maybe if you cut out the videogames you'd be doing finer.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)17:48:55 No.6320577 ?>>6320764 >>6320798
>>6320530
Eh, you got me with physical exercise, but you don't have to be a friendless fucker to be a loser playing
video games, nor did i imply that.
>>6320567
Whenever I say loser, imagine big fat quote marks around the word.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)17:56:52 No.6320599 ?>>6320634
>>6320504
Are you joking?
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Stop caring, live for shitposting, shitposting is the way to nirvana, don't listen to anyone else here. The
harder you try at anything, the more likely you are to fail, and the more emotionally invested you are,
the harder it'll feel. Stop thinking, stop feeling, keep shitposting.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)19:00:34 No.6320832 ?
>>6320798
It amazes me that people don't actually give this kind of framework any attention in their daily lives.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)19:02:33 No.6320841 ?
This thread has nicely derailed into r9k, fit, and v.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)19:03:05 No.6320844 ?
>>6320763
Agreed. Take, for example, eating healthy. Once you start eating nutritious, well-rounded and evenportioned meals, you start to appreciate cuisine more. Gluttony becomes a thing of the past, cheap crap
becomes less appealing (even revolting, in some cases), and you start to really appreciate a well-cooked
meal.
My example may or may not fit entirely, but I thought I'd share all the same.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)19:07:54 No.6320858 ?
>>6320332
Stop trying to convince people that video games are, or could be, art or artistic. Nobody cares. Do it for
yourself. If you think that video games are art, great. You likely have an audience amongst your peers,
so go and talk with them about games and how great they are, and people here will talk about their own
interests (which unfortunately involves way more shit-talking than praise, but the assholes are always the
loudest). Ignore the nay-sayers and move on.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)19:15:34 No.6320880 ?>>6320925
>>6320798
I think video games can give you a positive social experience online and offline. You can have a lot of
fun playing and talking with other people. Ive met a couple of people through playing video games
offline and they're all cool, perfectly functioning dudes.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)19:28:39 No.6320925 ?
>>6320880
Me too, don't get me wrong. I've had many great experiences online. But there *is* something different.
I feel like I've had the whole gamut of online relationships and real-life relationships. Romantic and
friendly internet relationships are of a wholly different nature than their real-life counterparts. That does
not mean they aren't satisfying, but you cannot sustain yourself on that social interaction alone. And the
more and more you rely on it, the more you deprive yourself.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)19:31:49 No.6320934 ?>>6320994
The idea that working and being part of the economy somehow doesn't make you a leech is incredibly
short sighted. Consumerism is literally being a leech and it's what modern society is built on.
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Anonymous 03/26/15(Thu)19:48:23 No.6320994 ?>>6321028
>>6320934
You mean modern Western society
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Anonymous 03/27/15(Fri)00:54:31 No.6322022?>>6322054
>>6320114
In contrast to OP, I have motivation. Just very insecure and full of self-doubt. Nonetheless, I'm not so
sure I will be good at anything. And I don't want to fuck around side-stepping on my chosen path. I'm
only concerned about the forward-thinking approach.
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Anonymous 03/27/15(Fri)01:09:08 No.6322054?
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>>6322022
This makes me wanna call it quits on life of course. Unless I'll do well on my chosen endeavor I feel like
I'll never be fulfilled and thus feel pointless to go on.
Fwiw, I tried shrooms not long ago with a positive or neutral mindstate and all I got from it was me
spouting 'life is so pointless' with a bittersweet grin, which isn't anything new. I already said that several
times when sober. You're my only hope /it/. Please, shed some light on me. Otherwise, I'll probably join
the 27 Club.
I don't usually worry about thread life, but since this has stayed a while so far I hope the mods will
continue let it be. This is really the most important thing for me. Ever. ;_;
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Anonymous 03/27/15(Fri)01:13:46 No.6322066?
>>6320459
I'd enjoy games more if they respected my time. It's problematic when gamers find their massive time
sinks something of a non-issue. A 15-hour RPG is considered too short. One hundred hours spent
playing a MOBA is considered nothing. Shameful yet proud boasts of hundreds of hours sunk in to
WoW. Etcetera.
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Anonymous 03/27/15(Fri)01:33:10 No.6322114?
>>6320798
>>6320477
Listen to what this anon says. Why do you think moot quit at 26? He's spent all his life in front of the
screen, he actually wants to go full innawoods cause he finally realized it himself. We're all getting older.
It's why I'm also been trying to quit /lit/ too, I'm so addicted to it to the point that it consumes all my
time, but this type of discussions makes me want to come back all the time.
Don't even mention that recent studies have shown that people with more television time has less brain
density. This should speak for itself.
About the vidya games topic, there is no absolutely harm to play. Like with anything it's all about
moderation. If you find that it's not the case and you can't juggle it... Well, consider your situation.
Games have it pros and cons. It can enhance your reaction time, can keep your brain active, but it also
has cons as well which you must naturally acknowledge.
Same with 4chan. We get to discuss like this, expand our knowledge and worldview, but it also comes
with cons. Cons that should be close to home since you're an anon yourself.