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Customer Question
2004 vw golf air conditioner compressor does not engage. there is no power to the electro-magnet. Is
there a relay? any thing else I can try? I have filled the frion. when I put power directly on the compressor
magnet the air conditioning works. I get cold air.

Expert: Jim Barlogio

HiCustomer< here is the test procedure for your systems. You will need voltmeter with duty cycle ability
perform test. RE: 70% command in testing notes

Location of Relay J293 on wiring diag.

Here a pic of realy:

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Wiring Diag:
Test procedure:
Customer
The A/C is not working. No power to the A/C compressor clutch and it does not engage.
Concern:
Manual climate control.
Tests/Procedures: Test Fan Control (FC) module inputs as follows:
1. All tests are performed with the ignition key and A/C switched on and the connecters
connected to fan module. The fan control module is located under the radiator and has 2
connectors; a 14 pin (T14) and a 4 pin (T4).
2. Check for 12 volts to pin T4a/1 (Red/Black) and T4a/3 (Red) via fuses S164 and S180
respectively, in fuse box on top of battery, at all times.

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3. Verify approximately 70% duty cycle from the A/C pressure sensor at pin T14/2
(White) with the ignition on but the compressor not running (duty cycle will decrease as
the high side pressure increases). A duty cycle above 80 or below 10 will command the
compressor off and would indicate a faulty pressure sensor if the compressor is not
running and the refrigerant levels are normal.
4. Verify 12 volts to pin T14/4 (Red/Gray) via fuse 16, at all times.
5. Verify good ground to pin T14/6 (Brown/Black).
6. When the A/C is switched on and the blower motor is running at any speed, verify
that 12 volts from the A/C switch in the instrument panel is available to pin T14/8
(Blue/Red). NOTE: The cooling fans should run at low speed whenever the A/C is
switched on.
7. Verify 12 volts to pin T14/9 (Black/Blue) from fuse #5, when the ignition is in the "on"
position.
8. Verify the presence of an 11 volt reference (actual voltage reading will oscillate
between 7, 9 and 11 volts) at pin T14/13 (Purple/Yellow). The instrument cluster will
ground this reference to request a compressor shutdown for an overheat condition. The
cooling fans will also be running on high speed.
9. Disconnect the 14 pin connector. Using a fused 12 volt jumper, apply power to pin
T14/10 (Green/Black). The compressor clutch should engage. If the compressor does not
engage, check for wiring harness open circuit or loss of ground at the compressor.
Reconnect the 14 pin connector.
10. Disconnect the 14 pin connector and verify continuity between pin T14/14
(Green/Blue) and T14/5 (Blue/Red). This checks the Ambient Temperature Switch (ATS)
(normal open circuit below 32 degrees F, continuity above 32 degrees F).
11. Verify the presence of an 11 volt reference voltage at pin T14/3 (Green). The
Powertrain Control Module (PCM) will ground this reference to request a compressor
shutdown for a Wide Open Throttle (WOT) condition or lack of throttle basic setting. 11
volts is the normal expected reading at this pin.
12. If all tests pass, the Fan Control Module (FCN) is faulty and must be replaced.
Potential Causes: Malfunctioning A/C Switch
Air Conditioner (A/C) High Pressure Sensor
Defective Fan Control Module
Ground
Power
Throttle Basic Settings
Tech Tips:
Note: Pin T14/3 will be grounded by the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) if the throttle
basic settings are lost. Raising the engine RPM over 2500 will cause the ECM to allow
A/C operation if this is the case. If a ground condition exists on pin 3, perform a throttle
basic setting procedure and recheck for correct voltage. If needed a repair kit is available
from Volkswagen to replace the 14 pin fan control module connector, part number
6X09737717 KIT.
Hope this helps. Know failures of Control Module. But Freon level must be correct.
This is the same test we use. Skippy steps can lead to a incorrect diagnois and installing parts not needed.
Jim

NOTE: Electrical parts are non returnable at most outlets if there is any sign the unit has been opened or
plugged in. Easy to tell by pin mark traces.

Jim Barlogio, ASE Certified Technician

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Customer:
Hi, Thank you for your prompt answer to my air conditioner problem in my 2004 VW Golf (2L engine). One
of the things you suggested I check was the sensor, which is under the rad and check the module
connectors. I can't find these connectors. Can you help me? Much appreciated.

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Expert: Jim Barlogio

I will get that for you. Jim

1-Damper with low pressure service valve*

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In refrigerant hose from expansion valve to compressor.

Only use Kent Moore ACR4 or equivalent
2-Refrigerant hose*
From expansion valve to compressor
With damper
3-Refrigerant pipe*
From receiver dryer to expansion valve
4-High pressure service valve*
Only use Kent Moore ACR4 or equivalent
5-A/C pressure switch -F129- or high pressure sensor -G65A/C pressure switch or sensor can be removed without discharging refrigerant system.
Tightening torque 8 Nm (71 in. lb)
Always replace O ring (note Part No.).
-G65- is monitored by On Board Diagnostics of Engine Control Module (ECM). Function:
-F129- switches coolant fan -V7- to the next higher speed when pressure increases in refrigerant circuit.
-F129- switches off A/C clutch whenever excessive refrigerant system pressure is present (e.g.: insufficient
air flow over condenser or if system is overcharged).
-F129- switches off A/C clutch whenever insufficient refrigerant system pressure is present (e.g.:
refrigerant has leaked out).
-G65- supplies refrigerant system pressure signal to the coolant fan control module - J293- and engine
control module.
6-Expansion valve*
7-Dust and pollen filter
With activated charcoal filter
8-Ambient temperature switch -F38Switches off A/C clutch - N25- at low outside temperatures.
Off at -1 C (30 F).
On at +7 C (45 F).
9-A/C cut-out thermal switch -F163- >05.99
Switches off A/C clutch - N25- at excessively high coolant temperatures.
Off at 119 C (246 F)
On at 112 C (234 F).
NOTE: -F163- deleted from 05.99 >. Thermal cut-out function assumed by Engine Coolant Temperature
(ECT) Sensor -G62- via Engine Control Module (ECM).
10-Evaporator water drain valve
11-Coolant fan (FC) control module -J29312-Refrigerant hose*
From expansion valve to compressor
With damper
13-Refrigerant hose*
From compressor to condenser
14-Condenser*
15-Pressure relief valve*
16-Compressor*
Manufacturer: Sanden, designation: SD7V16
Manufacturer: Zexel, designation: DCW-17D
17-A/C clutch -N2518-Receiver drier*

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