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Battery « Reply #40 on: September 11, 2009, 06:03:31 PM »
All of them has the same capacity for both magnetic contactor, should be in
one the same rating for forward, reverse and delta (ampere rating for each
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contactor that i mention).
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and all line side are in the top of each contactor in forward, reverse and delta
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should be the same and all load side are in below of four magnetic contactor
in forward, reverse, delta and wye. (Philippine Electrical Code).
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Can you draw the schematic diagram to share in other electrical
practitioners..

Quote from: alaktrician on September 11, 2009, 07:32:52 AM


fherdzpowerhau pwede rin dalawang contactor lang....+ isang 3PDT na switch for the
s reversal.
or ito below para sa 4 na contactor mas malinaw na drawing madaling
masusundan yan ng electrician.

BTW un title ang tanong control circuit pero sa body ng post ang tanong
power/motor circuit. need pa ba control circuit?

cheers.

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Size AAA Battery « Reply #41 on: September 11, 2009, 06:12:21 PM »
(Philippine Electrical Code) should be use four magnetic contactor in
Forward-Reverse Wye-Delta connection... This is the design to use in
Pogi/Ganda
Manufacturing Company are almost the same in other country.
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Size AAA Battery « Reply #42 on: September 11, 2009, 06:16:10 PM »
Crusher Machine has an optional sequence to use Forward rotation and
Reverse rotation...
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60hp or larger than these motor are using gear box to reduce the speed,
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any induction motor more than 60hp or above to used in crusher machine
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with gear box to reduce the speed.
for example in marble plant are using this sequence reversible rotation
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design (forward-reverse wye-delta connection)
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VFD are very expensive compare to four magnetic contactor,..
(forward-reverse wye-delta connection)
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Diesel « Reply #44 on: September 12, 2009, 12:07:52 AM »
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Diesel « Reply #45 on: September 12, 2009, 02:04:31 AM »
Generator Quote from: <')XXx< on September 12, 2009, 12:07:52 AM
@ Coolet

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safety first diba sister... ang coolet ba?

gawan ko sana ng control circuit kaso baka tumaas pa presyo he he he

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Diesel « Reply #46 on: September 12, 2009, 09:19:52 PM »
Generator Quote from: c0♂Lët on September 12, 2009, 02:04:31 AM
safety first diba sister... ang coolet ba?
Pogi/Ganda gawan ko sana ng control circuit kaso baka tumaas pa presyo he he he
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Size AAA « Reply #47 on: September 13, 2009, 01:23:42 AM »
Battery Quote from: fherdzpowerhaus on September 11, 2009, 06:03:31 PM
All of them has the same capacity for both magnetic contactor, should be in
one the same rating for forward, reverse and delta (ampere rating for each
Pogi/Ganda
contactor that i mention).
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and all line side are in the top of each contactor in forward, reverse and delta
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should be the same and all load side are in below of four magnetic contactor in
forward, reverse, delta and wye. (Philippine Electrical Code).
Posts: 25 Can you draw the schematic diagram to share in other electrical practitioners..

konting revision na lang from my 1st drawing for ur new rquirement na dapat
pareho size ng 3 contacotr to minimum size possible. analyze it makukuha mo
rin yan. magkano ba contrata nyan? ibigay ko sau drawing kung di mo pa
nakuha..ang LAGAY ba naman ehh..ganun ganun na lang?? heheh joke.

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Diesel « Reply #48 on: September 13, 2009, 03:13:53 AM »
Generator ^ sa tingin ko sister foreigner yang nagpapagawa sa iyo ....

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Size AAA Battery « Reply #49 on: September 15, 2009, 08:32:03 AM »
Quote from: alaktrician on September 11, 2009, 07:46:00 AM
simple lang nmn yata application nayan, kelangan lang stop ang motor
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before reversing para controlled un starting torque during reversal, kasi
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kung hindi baka may trippings. pede nga din isa lang contactor nyan.. but
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then use VFD with it mas madali may option un forward reverse and it
will take care of your motor starting better than wye delta.
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Posts: 14 To stop the wye-delta motor during rotations, you need a clutch break
(electromagnetic break) and the connection are direct to normally close of
forward/reversemagnetic contactor, clucth break are recommended not the
timer itself or delay contact is not applicable, depends of the size of
induction motor or the capacity (torque) in full load. the function of this
electromagnetic break are in operation during to stop the wye-
fherdzpowerhaus deltainduction motor ,the safetiest device to connect in the rear side of
single shaft or at the back of pulley,everytime you start the motor the
break are release because this is connected in normally close of
forward/reverse contactor for example one line in forward contactor and
the other line in the reverse contactor normally close, To activate the wye-
delta motor (to start again) the clutch break or electromagnetic break are
open and if you stop theinduction motor the clutch break or
electromagnetic break are activate,that's all.. timers are not allowed to
sequence in stop position because of some delay in emergency situations.

any suggestions?...
by the way thank you to all of your comments, suggestions and analysis...
this is a very nice topic to share in other electrical practioners,
if you want to share some illustration of schematic diagram please send it
here or in my E-mail:

fherdz26@gmail.com

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sshrekk Re: Forward-Reverse Wye-Delta Motor Control Circuit...


Diesel « Reply #50 on: September 15, 2009, 12:22:11 PM »
Generator @Fherdz

What do you mean by a clutch brake in the shafting, is it more like a car disc
Pogi/Ganda brake but electromagnetic activated ?!
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Diesel « Reply #51 on: September 15, 2009, 02:03:22 PM »
Generator brake lang ang kailangan wala ng clutch. walang pinagkaiba sa motorized
hoist.
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Size AA « Reply #52 on: September 15, 2009, 07:27:35 PM »
Battery Quote from: c0♂Lët on September 15, 2009, 02:03:22 PM
brake lang ang kailangan wala ng clutch. walang pinagkaiba sa motorized
hoist.
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Diesel « Reply #53 on: September 15, 2009, 11:09:09 PM »
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ganito yon sis nakakabit sa shafting ng motor tapos yung body nakakabit sa
body ng motor... pag me kasamang clutch ang brake then continues run ang
motor... saka lang aandar ang load pag na-energize ang clutch. bale
electromagnetic nga yan sis.

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Diesel « Reply #54 on: September 16, 2009, 09:32:47 PM »
Generator thanks c0♂Lët! ganyan pala yan....

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Quote from: <')XXx< on September 16, 2009, 09:32:47 PM
thanks c0♂Lët! ganyan pala yan....
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This is the exactly what i said before, the real figure of clutch brake
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a complete detail for this motor control of Forward-Reverse Wye-Delta
connection and the safety to Stop the Rotation of this unit either clockwise
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in Wye-Delta operation in this motor control,take note: only one timer...
the given four magnetic contactor and push button switch for stop and
start, this switch is momentary contact if ever the voltage is fluctuation or
under voltage protection is arise the motor control will be stop or de-
energized the circuit for protection just in case the power failure will be
automatic energized by electric power,the under voltage release is the
fherdzpowerhaus maintaining contact that not recommended in this wye-delta operation
because some problem in operation or accident in the machine especially
for those operator and maintenance, this switch is maintaining contact like
selector or snap switch direct line in the circuit different in the other one
momentary contact push button switch in case.

if you want additional pilot light for operation, the motor control design is
recommended to use red colour for STOP, green colour for Operation and
orange for sequence in Wye connection into Delta connection, phase
voltage is also acceptable in operation for this motor control as auxilliary,
Voltmeter, Currentmeter and most especially the overload relay for safety
in your induction motor more than a million price together with gearbox
in the single shaft of your unit, that's all...

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Size AAA Battery « Reply #56 on: September 21, 2009, 01:41:11 PM »
Do you have any idea for schematic diagram for the operation of Forward-
Reverse Wye-Delta motor control circuit...the power diagram is also there
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now but the motor control are not yet, to all Electrical Practitioner analyst
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the schematic diagram of this logic control sequence Forward-Reverse
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Diesel « Reply #57 on: September 21, 2009, 02:05:02 PM »
Generator ^ The block diagram of the controls first then the schematics.

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Guest « Reply #58 on: September 21, 2009, 02:47:11 PM »
gusto ko bumili nang ac servo motor wye delta din. 200volts. then interface ko
sa pic. balak ko gumawa nang servo amplifier ko. trip trip lang. yung diagram
sa taas ganun din ba gagagawin ko with the h-bridges?

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Size AAA Battery « Reply #59 on: September 21, 2009, 04:33:03 PM »
Quote from: <')XXx< on September 21, 2009, 02:05:02 PM
^ The block diagram of the controls first then the schematics.
Pogi/Ganda Yes! like this a coil sequence in motor control...
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Wye Contactor-IN
Pilot Light (stop) red colour-OUT

Pilot Light orange colour, on-going start to energized when the Wye
contactor is- IN
fherdzpowerhaus after a few seconds...

Wye contactor-OUT
Pilot Light (operation) green colour- IN
Pilot Light orange colour- OUT
Delta contactor- IN

and the timer is also- OUT...

because the timer is very expensive and to avoid in to much staying


energized during operation in hours, most especially if the motor control
is 24 hours operated or a day in productions. This is the secret of motor
control... the timer is only used for sequence in split seconds or using for
time delay-off and time delay-on like OMRON the very expensive timer
in Industrial devices.

To stop the operation: Switch OFF to Forward Wye-Delta

The (Electro-magnetic) Clutch Brake will be energized to stop the


Operation, Connected in Single Shaft at the rear of Induction Motor like
my given 60hp 440volts 60hz 1800rpm.

that's all...
Additional information, comment and suggestion will be appreciated.
send an E-mail to: fherdz26@gmail.com

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using four magnetic contactor for forward, reverse, delta and wye control,
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the unit is 60hp 440volts 60hz 1800rpm induction motor wye delta
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line-1 (U-Z), line-2 (V-X), line-3 (W-Y) forward rotation

line-1 (U-Y), line-2 (V-Z), line-3 (W-X) reverse rotation

(U-X) winding one


(V-Y) winding two
fherdzpowerhaus (W-Z) winding three

could be possible this to use in the circuit? please send me your answers,
suggestion, comment or illustration to me,attach file in my E-mail:
fherdz26@gmail.com

this induction motor to use for mixer and crushing machines or (heavy
equipment)machine.

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Size AAA « Reply #1 on: September 08, 2009, 06:24:33 PM »
Battery IMHO change only the 2 lines to reverse the rotation

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Size AAA Battery « Reply #2 on: September 08, 2009, 07:52:23 PM »
this is forward-reverse wye-delta control not forward-reverse only
including wye-delta connection thats why four magnetic contactor are
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Size C « Reply #3 on: September 08, 2009, 08:58:36 PM »
Battery Quote
line-1 (U-Z), line-2 (V-X), line-3 (W-Y)
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line-1 (U-Y), line-2 (V-Z), line-3 (W-X)
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afaik, the two configurations (both are delta) would result in the same direction
of rotation
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if you draw the delta wiring of the first configuration ... to arrive at the second
configuration, you swap windings V-Y and W-Z, and then swap L2 and L3 ...
effectively a double swapping of lines
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Diesel « Reply #4 on: September 08, 2009, 09:50:42 PM »
Generator it is usually done like this....

for wye to delta switching....


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for terminal switching and rotation reversal....


T's are terminal to be switched for delta to wye conversion (the curve lines are
the motor windings), only two lines are swapped for reversal ofrotation.

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Diesel « Reply #5 on: September 08, 2009, 10:10:34 PM »
Generator (U-X) winding one
(V-Y) winding two
(W-Z) winding three
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In forward rotation ganito ang connection:
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L1 : U
L2 : V
L3 : W
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XYZ : Tie together

Then after the set time on wye delta. the connection would be,

Forward Delta

L1 : U & Z
L2 : V & X
L3 : W & Y

This one is in reverse rotation same starting method:

@wye

L1 : V
L2 : W
L3 : U

XYZ : Tie together

Then at Delta connection

L1 : V & X
L2 : W & Y
L3 : U & Z

Ang alam ko pag ganitong crushing ang method eh meron pang sequence ang
motor na ireverse nya automatic yung motor rotation pag maraming load na
nakain yung crusher or pag di nya kayang icrush yung mga items. Then after
ilang second eh mag forward ulit angrotation to crush the items again.
Operation repeat hanggang ma pulbos na yung item. Ang gamit nilang sensor
eh current ct. Pag nag over current eh tiaka lang mag activate yungreverse
rotation the mag start yung timer to forward the rotation...

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Diesel « Reply #6 on: September 08, 2009, 10:23:26 PM »
Generator BTW,

I think kaya ng apat na contactor yung requirement mo na reverse forward with


Pogi/Ganda wye delta starting. Antok na kasi ako kaya tinatamad na akong mag drawing
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Isang contactor sa forward, isa sa reverse, at isa sa wye and delta. lagyan mo
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Posts: 1388 Tapos mas ok kung meron din yung wye delta contactor for more safety. Sobra
laki ng motor kaya dapat maraming safety installed sa magiging design. Yun
laang muna... Tutulog muna ako...

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Diesel « Reply #7 on: September 08, 2009, 10:29:13 PM »
Generator Yong Delta to Wye bro, kaylan nya ito dapat e engage sa crushing operation?

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Diesel « Reply #8 on: September 08, 2009, 10:52:07 PM »
Generator Quote from: <')XXx< on September 08, 2009, 10:29:13 PM
Yong Delta to Wye bro, kaylan nya ito dapat e engage sa crushing operation?
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setting nung sensor with a span of time set. Magreverse yan ng reverse wye
then reverse delta, then me timer yan for reverse after matapus countdown eh
balik sa forward rotaion with wye delta ulit. Ganun lang operation. Di na yung
delta to wye. Di ba kaya lang naman nagkaroon ng wye delta sa 60hp eh
sobrang laki nung motor kaya ganun starting method nya. mas ok to kung sof
E&I tech. start ang method para wala ng madaming contactor at timer..... hehehehe...
Napakasimple, Less maintenance pa at tipid pa sa kuryente...

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Size AAA Battery « Reply #9 on: September 09, 2009, 12:56:15 PM »
In Philippine Electrical Code the real answers are using four magnetic
contactor to forward-reverse wye-delta motor control circuit, that means
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are reversable rotation of induction motor (clockwise and counter-
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rotation in this option, so four magnetic contactor are adviseable.
Each control are assign for this in Forward, Reverse, Wye and Delta...
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each control because this is mandatory to use the fourmagnetic contactor
in this motor control circuit...

Now, in this sequence the only problem is how will you tap the wiring in
permanent connection, maybe all of you have answers for this and
analysis about this wiring diagram and all of you are showing your
fherdzpowerhaus optional answers that maybe correct or not but my question is, did you test
this in experimentalconnection in your own opinion, have you experience
this motor control in your work in industrial field, did you have encounter
this in trouble shooting or installation in your company during your
duty?..
I really appreciated all your opinion here in this analysis of forward-
reverse wye-delta motor control circuit or power diagram, but you may a
sure of your comment or suggestion to be practising as consultant or
inspector if you have a doubt in your opinion, thank you to all and more
power to all members...

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Size AAA Battery « Reply #10 on: September 09, 2009, 02:06:10 PM »

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Size AAA Battery « Reply #11 on: September 09, 2009, 02:35:41 PM »

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Offline the unit is 60hp 440volts 60 Hz 1800rpm induction motor wye delta
connection.
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line-1 (U-Z), line-2 (V-X), line-3 (W-Y) forward rotation

line-1 (U-Y), line-2 (V-Z), line-3 (W-X) reverse rotation

(U-X) winding one


(V-Y) winding two
fherdzpowerhaus (W-Z) winding three

could be possible this to use in the circuit? Please send me your answers,
suggestion, comment or illustration to me, attach file in my E-mail:
fherdz26@gmail.com

this induction motor to use for mixer and crushing machines or (heavy
equipment) machine.

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Diesel « Reply #12 on: September 09, 2009, 09:22:50 PM »
Generator Quote from: fherdzpowerhaus on September 09, 2009, 12:56:15 PM
In Philippine Electrical Code the real answers are using four magnetic
contactor to forward-reverse wye-delta motor control circuit, that means are
Pogi/Ganda reversable rotation of induction motor (clockwise and counter- clockwise)
Points: 16 10hp and above could be use the motor sequence in reversable rotation in this
Offline option, so four magnetic contactor are adviseable.
Each control are assign for this in Forward, Reverse, Wye and Delta...
Gender: this is not to save in highly maintenance or savings your money to provide
Posts: 1388 each control because this is mandatory to use the four magnetic contactor in
this motor control circuit...

Now, in this sequence the only problem is how will you tap the wiring in
permanent connection, maybe all of you have answers for this and analysis
about this wiring diagram and all of you are showing your optional answers
E&I tech. that maybe correct or not but my question is, did you test this in experimental
connection in your own opinion, have you experience this motor control in
your work in industrial field, did you have encounter this in trouble shooting or
installation in your company during your duty?..
I really appreciated all your opinion here in this analysis of forward-reverse
wye-delta motor control circuit or power diagram, but you may a sure of your
comment or suggestion to be practising as consultant or inspector if you have a
doubt in your opinion, thank you to all and more power to all members...

Napakasimple nyang problema mo. Wala ka lang bilib sa sarili mo. Binibigay
na sayo eh ayaw mu pang maniwala at duda ka pa. Tsk tsk tsk..... Yang
connection mo eh isa laang sa mga ginawa, naranasan, nakita, natutunan,
natroubleshoot at lahat na sa talambuhay ko bilang isang electrical and
instrument tech. Ganito na laang, Kung nahihirapan ka sa design mo eh IUPA
mu na. Yun laang...

Nga pala, isa pa, andyan si google. itype mu lang yung tanong mo.

Kung wala kang idea sa actual electrical connection eh mag aral ka muna ng
basic. DIRECT ON LINE CONNECTION. Pag me sumabog eh ayun...
malapit ka ng matuto..... PEACE!

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Diesel « Reply #13 on: September 09, 2009, 09:39:10 PM »
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.....gusto pa yata e designer ng Rockwell at Siemens e


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Diesel « Reply #14 on: September 09, 2009, 10:10:36 PM »
Generator Quote from: <')XXx< on September 09, 2009, 09:39:10 PM

Pogi/Ganda .....gusto pa yata e designer ng Rockwell at Siemens e


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Mahal sumingil mga yun ah. Hehehehe.....

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Diesel « Reply #15 on: September 09, 2009, 10:32:10 PM »
Generator Quote from: <')XXx< on September 09, 2009, 09:39:10 PM

Pogi/Ganda .....gusto pa yata e designer ng Rockwell at Siemens e


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what i really mean is, 3P 440V 60HP motor is worth around Php 1M, u really
need Rockwell or Siemens or other tested motor controllers manufacturers and
not e-lab to experiment your 1M asset.

the logic of your switcher is very simple but its not like that in the actual
application, for one, i think u are aware that u will be switching at least 45kVA
Heaven is load.
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energetic, not i think all you want to know is given by Ahl**** more than that i think u need
of the Rockwell or Siemens
talented.
peace po tayo

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Diesel « Reply #16 on: September 09, 2009, 10:36:32 PM »
Generator Quote from: ahlburuto on September 09, 2009, 10:10:36 PM

Mahal sumingil mga yun ah. Hehehehe.....


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Diesel « Reply #17 on: September 09, 2009, 10:40:20 PM »
Generator Correct.... Baka surplus yung motor... Hehehehe.... Peace....

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Diesel « Reply #18 on: September 09, 2009, 10:43:12 PM »
Generator Quote from: ahlburuto on September 08, 2009, 10:52:07 PM
Bale ganito ang sequence nung machine na sinasabi ko na parehas ng querry
ng t.starter.
Pogi/Ganda
Points: 65 Forward wye then forward delta (continous running yan hanggat di nataas ang
Offline ampere eh tuloy ang crushing, once nag high current at nalagpasan ang current
setting nung sensor with a span of time set. Mag reverse yan ng reverse wye
Gender: then reverse delta, then me timer yan for reverse after matapus countdown eh
Posts: 1758 balik sa forward rotaion with wye delta ulit. Ganun lang operation. Di na yung
delta to wye. Di ba kaya lang naman nagkaroon ng wye delta sa 60hp eh
sobrang laki nung motor kaya ganun starting method nya. mas ok to kung sof
start ang method para wala ng madaming contactor at timer..... hehehehe...
Napakasimple, Less maintenance pa at tipid pa sa kuryente...

BR
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Size C « Reply #19 on: September 09, 2009, 10:56:54 PM »
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how will you tap the wiring in permanent connection
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the wiring for reversal is not difficult, google it
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the wiring for delta-wye changeover is a little tricky but here it is
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needless to say, you would need to provide mechanical or electrical interlocks


so that the relevant pair of contactors are never energized at the same time!

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