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Posted:MonFeb11,201312:37pmPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i
Hi,
Ihaveafewurgentqueries,regardingthespectrumanalysisusingStaad.Prov8i,
asfollows:
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1.firstiwouldliketoknowwhileinloadcaseforSeismicSpectrum,whetherselfweightforyisonly
enough,orforalldirectionsitshouldbeapplied.Alsothemaximumforceasappliedonthenodes
shallbeonlyapplyforonedirection,sayXtogetherwithresponsespectrum,oralsoithastobe
againapplyfordefiningresponsespectrumforzdirectionalso.
2.Alsoiwouldliketoknow,whetherdesigningcommandcanbefollowedaftertheanalysishasbeen
doneinthesamestaadfile,oraseparatefilehastobecreatedwheretheseinterpretedforcesshould
beappliedasanaxialforceforeachnodesforcarryingoutthedesignoftheframe
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nssenthilkumaran
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Posted:TueFeb12,20137:53amPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i
DearSefian,
Hereismyreplytothequeries.Ifiamincorrect,othersmaycorrectme.
1)InSTAADPro,wedonothaveanoptionofdefiningmasselementswhichareneddedforthe
Spectrumanalysis.
Sowhatwegenerallydois,firstapplytheDl+0.5LLonthestructure,Secondlyapplypinned
supportstoallthenodes,analyseandgettheverticalforceineachnodeandapplytheforceinallthe
threedirectionsforthecorrespondingnodeintheresponsespectrumloadcase.
IfyourDLcasedoesnthaveselfweightinit,Youwillhavetoapplyitalongwiththeabovementioned
forcesinallthethreedirections,i.e)selfweighty1,selfweightx1,selfweightz1.
IfyourDLcasealreadyhasselfweightinit,youdontneedtoseperatelyspecifyselfweightcommand
inthespectrumloadcase.Ihopeiamclear.Thereasonforapplyingallforcesinallthethree
directionsisbecausethemasscalculatedatthenode(doneinternallyinSTAAD)mustbeappliedinall
threedirectionsinordertoprovideinertialforces.
2)Asforyoursecondquery,itispossibletogivethedesigncommandaftertheresponsespectrum
analysisinSTAAD.Butiwouldnotrecommendit.Becauseincaseofspectrumanalysis,theforces
ofallthemodesaresummedupusingtheSRSS(sumofsquarerootofsquares)method.and
becauseofthisthesignsofthebendingmomentswouldbelosti.e)ifyouseetheBendingmoment
valuesforthespectrumcase,allthevalueswouldbepositive.
Thismayleadtooverdesignofsomesectionsandunfortunatelyunderdesignofsomesections.What
iwouldrecommendisfindtheVb(Baseshear)valuesofdominantmodes(modesinwhich
considerableamountofmassesparticipate),sumitupandthendistributeittoeachnodeusingthe
formulainequivalentstaticmethod.Thenapplytheforces(nodalforcesstatic)ineachdirectionasa
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seperateloadcaseandanalyseandobtaintheresults.
Theforcesobtainedintheabovementionedmethodcanbeusedforthedesign.
Regars,
N.S.SenthilKumaran.
StructuralEngineer,
Tamilnadu,
India
OnMon,Feb11,2013at6:07PM,sharathkn<forum@sefindia.org(forum@sefindia.org)>wrote:
Quote:
Hi,
asfollows:
1.firstiwouldliketoknowwhileinloadcaseforSeismicSpectrum,whetherselfweightfory
isonlyenough,orforalldirectionsitshouldbeapplied.Alsothemaximumforceasapplied
onthenodesshallbeonlyapplyforonedirection,sayXtogetherwithresponsespectrum,
oralsoithastobeagainapplyfordefiningresponsespectrumforzdirectionalso.
2.Alsoiwouldliketoknow,whetherdesigningcommandcanbefollowedaftertheanalysis
hasbeendoneinthesamestaadfile,oraseparatefilehastobecreatedwherethese
interpretedforcesshouldbeappliedasanaxialforceforeachnodesforcarryingoutthe
designoftheframe
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Posted:WedFeb13,20135:57amPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i
Hi,
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Posts:17
IfyouareusingSRSSmethodforthisinSTAADthenSW&othermasshastobedefinedinall3
orthogonaldirections.Sinceonecantunderstandcompletebehavourofmodeshapeswithmass
participatinginall3directions...
MaybeIS1893part1&4mayhelpuonmassparticipationinXY&Znmodeshape.
Nrupen
OnMon,Feb11,2013at6:07PM,sharathkn<forum@sefindia.org(forum@sefindia.org)>wrote:
Quote:
Hi,
asfollows:
1.firstiwouldliketoknowwhileinloadcaseforSeismicSpectrum,whetherselfweightfory
isonlyenough,orforalldirectionsitshouldbeapplied.Alsothemaximumforceasapplied
onthenodesshallbeonlyapplyforonedirection,sayXtogetherwithresponsespectrum,
oralsoithastobeagainapplyfordefiningresponsespectrumforzdirectionalso.
2.Alsoiwouldliketoknow,whetherdesigningcommandcanbefollowedaftertheanalysis
hasbeendoneinthesamestaadfile,oraseparatefilehastobecreatedwherethese
interpretedforcesshouldbeappliedasanaxialforceforeachnodesforcarryingoutthe
designoftheframe
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Posted:WedFeb13,201310:30amPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i
DearAll,
<![if!supportLists]>1)<![endif]>InthelatestversionofSTAADproV8iselectseries4thereisa
provisiontoprovideareferencemassloadcase.Thismasswillbeusedduringdynamicanalysis.
<![if!supportLists]>2)<![endif]>Secondly,thereisafacilitytoattachasignofdominantmodeto
theresultsofresponsespectrumanalysiswhichareotherwiseabsolutevalues.
Regards.
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Posts:59
HemantVadalkar,ConsultingEngineer
STADDEngineersMumbai
From:nssenthilkumaran[mailto:forum@sefindia.org]
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To:general@sefindia.org
Subject:[SEFI]Re:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i
DearSefian,
Spectrumanalysis.
analysisinSTAAD.Butiwouldnotrecommendit.Becauseincaseofspectrumanalysis,theforcesof
allthemodesaresummedupusingtheSRSS(sumofsquarerootofsquares)method.andbecause
ofthisthesignsofthebendingmomentswouldbelosti.e)ifyouseetheBendingmomentvaluesfor
thespectrumcase,allthevalueswouldbepositive.
Regars,
N.S.SenthilKumaran.
StructuralEngineer,
Tamilnadu,
India
OnMon,Feb11,2013at6:07PM,sharathknforum@sefindia.org(forum@sefindia.org))>wrote:
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sharathkn
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Posted:ThuFeb14,201311:45amPostsubject:
Hi,earlierIaskedafewqueriesonresponsespectrumanalysisinstaad.pro.thankyouforresponse.
Keepinginmind,Ifollowedthebelowmentionedsteps,kindlycorrectitwhereeverIwentwrong,as
Imdoingitfirsttime.
1)TakingacombinationofDL+0.5LLinstaad.proandassigningeverybeamcolumnjunction
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Posts:17
nodeasFixedSupport,Ifoundoutthejointweights.
2)Inanotherstaadfileofthesamemodel,Ifirstassignedthesejointweightsunderseismic
definition.AfterthatIcreated1stloadcasesasspectrumXinwhichItookthemaximumwhichis
theFyjointloadandassigneditforX,Y&ZdirectiontogetherwiththeresponsespectrumloadUsing
IS1893andCQCmethodforXdirection.
Thenafter,Icreated2ndloadcaseasspectrumZinwhichIonlyassignedtheresponsespectrum
loadforZdirection.
AfterthisIcreatedloadcasesforDeadLoadinwhichselfweightiny(1)hasbeenassigned,Live
loadsandLoadCombinations.
3)AfterthisIneedtoknow,howtointerpretthePeakstoryshear,modalbaseactionand
participationfactorsfromtheoutputofthestaadanalysissoastocalculatethenassignthelateral
forcesoneachnodeoneachstoreyinXandZdirectionina3rdstaadfileofthesamemodel,tocarry
outtheequivalentstaticearthquakeanalysis.
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shivrajekadam
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Posted:ThuFeb14,20133:06pmPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i
DearSenthil,
Ihavegonethroughurreply,iagreedwithuropinionasfarasfirst
pointisconsideredbutnotwiththesecondcase.
2)Ifurdoingdynamicanalysisofbuildinganduraddingallthe
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Posts:8
Location:Mumbai.
responsesusinganyoneofmodalcombinationmethodi.eCQC,SRSSor
ABS,allmemberforcessignedisgettinglostduetosquarerootand
squaringoperationbuttosatisfythisconditionweareconsidering
allloadcombinationsgivenin1893:2002(24numbers),Sourstructural
memberdesignisalwaysonaconservativeside.Butifurfoundation
israftfoundationorcombinedfoundattionthenuneedtobringback
thesignesofreactionsforaccurateanalysisotherwiseurfdndesign
maybeeitherconseravativeorunderdesign.Secondlyasfarasmy
knowledgeitisnotpossibletodistributetheloadateachandevery
nodebyusingformulegiveninequivalentstaticmethodbecauseudo
notknowthemassparticipationatthatnodeinthatmode.
Regards,
ShivrajKadam.
On2/13/13,nssenthilkumaran<forum@sefindia.org>wrote:
Quote:
DearSefian,
1)InSTAADPro,wedonothaveanoptionofdefiningmasselementswhich
areneddedfortheSpectrumanalysis.
Sowhatwegenerallydois,firstapplytheDl+0.5LLonthestructure,
Secondlyapplypinnedsupportstoallthenodes,analyseandgetthe
verticalforceineachnodeandapplytheforceinallthethreedirections
forthecorrespondingnodeintheresponsespectrumloadcase.
IfyourDLcasedoesnthaveselfweightinit,Youwillhavetoapplyit
alongwiththeabovementionedforcesinallthethreedirections,i.e)
selfweighty1,selfweightx1,selfweightz1.
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IfyourDLcasealreadyhasselfweightinit,youdontneedtoseperately
specifyselfweightcommandinthespectrumloadcase.Ihopeiamclear.The
reasonforapplyingallforcesinallthethreedirectionsisbecausethe
masscalculatedatthenode(doneinternallyinSTAAD)mustbeappliedinall
2)Asforyoursecondquery,itispossibletogivethedesigncommandafter
theresponsespectrumanalysisinSTAAD.Butiwouldnotrecommendit.
Becauseincaseofspectrumanalysis,theforcesofallthemodesaresummed
upusingtheSRSS(sumofsquarerootofsquares)method.andbecauseof
thisthesignsofthebendingmomentswouldbelosti.e)ifyouseethe
Bendingmomentvaluesforthespectrumcase,allthevalueswouldbe
positive.
Thismayleadtooverdesignofsomesectionsandunfortunatelyunderdesign
ofsomesections.WhatiwouldrecommendisfindtheVb(Baseshear)values
ofdominantmodes(modesinwhichconsiderableamountofmassesparticipate),
sumitupandthendistributeittoeachnodeusingtheformulain
equivalentstaticmethod.Thenapplytheforces(nodalforcesstatic)in
eachdirectionasaseperateloadcaseandanalyseandobtaintheresults.
Theforcesobtainedintheabovementionedmethodcanbeusedforthe
design.
Regars,
N.S.SenthilKumaran.
StructuralEngineer,
Tamilnadu,
India
OnMon,Feb11,2013at6:07PM,sharathkn<forum@sefindia.org
(forum@sefindia.org)>wrote:
Quote:
Hi,
Ihaveafewurgentqueries,regardingthespectrumanalysisusing
Staad.Prov8i,
asfollows:
1.firstiwouldliketoknowwhileinloadcaseforSeismicSpectrum,
whetherselfweightforyisonlyenough,orforalldirectionsitshould
beapplied.Alsothemaximumforceasappliedonthenodesshallbeonly
applyforonedirection,sayXtogetherwithresponsespectrum,oralso
ithastobeagainapplyfordefiningresponsespectrumforzdirection
also.
2.Alsoiwouldliketoknow,whetherdesigningcommandcanbefollowed
aftertheanalysishasbeendoneinthesamestaadfile,oraseparate
filehastobecreatedwheretheseinterpretedforcesshouldbeappliedas
anaxialforceforeachnodesforcarryingoutthedesignoftheframe
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arvind_kumar49
SEFIMember
Joined:13Mar2011
Posts:17
Posted:FriFeb15,20136:20pmPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i
Thereisneedtoclarifythatmassinallthethreedirectionsshouldnotbeappliedsimultaneously.
e.g.forseismicinXdirectionapplymassinXdirection..
OnWed,Feb13,2013at3:39PM,nssenthilkumaran<forum@sefindia.org(forum@sefindia.org)>
wrote:
[quote]DearSefian,
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Spectrumanalysis.
analysisinSTAAD.Butiwouldnotrecommendit.Becauseincaseofspectrumanalysis,theforces
ofallthemodesaresummedupusingtheSRSS(sumofsquarerootofsquares)method.and
becauseofthisthesignsofthebendingmomentswouldbelosti.e)ifyouseetheBendingmoment
valuesforthespectrumcase,allthevalueswouldbepositive.
Regars,
N.S.SenthilKumaran.
StructuralEngineer,
Tamilnadu,
India
OnMon,Feb11,2013at6:07PM,sharathknforum@sefindia.org(forum@sefindia.org))>wrote:
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Posted:SatFeb16,201312:46amPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i
Iamnotcommentingontheuseofcommercialsoftwareasitisthe
practicenowadaystousethemratherthantowriteapplication
softwarebytheuseritself.
useofSRSShaspitfallsbecausethe"sign"islost
ifyourefertoBISHandbookonIS:1893,theproblemisexplainedin
Joined:26Jan2003
Posts:648
thechapteronstacklikestructurestwodifferentshapesaregiven
forshearforceandbendingmomentalongtheheight.
inmodalcombinations,NEVERUSESRSSforcombinationofmodalstresses
alsodonotuseSRSStofirstobtainLOADSandthenderiveshears&
bendingmoments
fromthatcombinedLoaddiagram
Lesserevilistocombinemodalshearsandmodalmomentsseparately
ihadalwayspreferredtodotimehistoryanalysiswherethe"SIGN"ispreserved
Protectiontotheanalystliesinfollowingthecodalprovisionseven
thoughsuchprovisionsmaybetheoreticallywrong!!
ARC
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On2/15/13,shivrajekadam<forum@sefindia.org>wrote:
Quote:
DearSenthil,
Ihavegonethroughurreply,iagreedwithuropinionasfarasfirst
pointisconsideredbutnotwiththesecondcase.
2)Ifurdoingdynamicanalysisofbuildinganduraddingallthe
responsesusinganyoneofmodalcombinationmethodi.eCQC,SRSSor
ABS,allmemberforcessignedisgettinglostduetosquarerootand
squaringoperationbuttosatisfythisconditionweareconsidering
allloadcombinationsgivenin1893:2002(24numbers),Sourstructural
memberdesignisalwaysonaconservativeside.Butifurfoundation
israftfoundationorcombinedfoundattionthenuneedtobringback
thesignesofreactionsforaccurateanalysisotherwiseurfdndesign
maybeeitherconseravativeorunderdesign.Secondlyasfarasmy
knowledgeitisnotpossibletodistributetheloadateachandevery
nodebyusingformulegiveninequivalentstaticmethodbecauseudo
notknowthemassparticipationatthatnodeinthatmode.
Regards,
ShivrajKadam.
On2/13/13,nssenthilkumaran<forum@sefindia.org>wrote:
Quote:
DearSefian,
Hereismyreplytothequeries.Ifiamincorrect,othersmaycorrect
me.
1)InSTAADPro,wedonothaveanoptionofdefiningmasselementswhich
areneddedfortheSpectrumanalysis.
Sowhatwegenerallydois,firstapplytheDl+0.5LLonthe
structure,
Secondlyapplypinnedsupportstoallthenodes,analyseandgetthe
verticalforceineachnodeandapplytheforceinallthethree
directions
forthecorrespondingnodeintheresponsespectrumloadcase.
IfyourDLcasedoesnthaveselfweightinit,Youwillhavetoapplyit
alongwiththeabovementionedforcesinallthethreedirections,i.e)
selfweighty1,selfweightx1,selfweightz1.
IfyourDLcasealreadyhasselfweightinit,youdontneedtoseperately
specifyselfweightcommandinthespectrumloadcase.Ihopeiamclear.
The
reasonforapplyingallforcesinallthethreedirectionsisbecausethe
masscalculatedatthenode(doneinternallyinSTAAD)mustbeappliedin
all
2)Asforyoursecondquery,itispossibletogivethedesigncommand
after
theresponsespectrumanalysisinSTAAD.Butiwouldnotrecommendit.
Becauseincaseofspectrumanalysis,theforcesofallthemodesare
summed
upusingtheSRSS(sumofsquarerootofsquares)method.andbecauseof
thisthesignsofthebendingmomentswouldbelosti.e)ifyouseethe
Bendingmomentvaluesforthespectrumcase,allthevalueswouldbe
positive.
Thismayleadtooverdesignofsomesectionsandunfortunatelyunder
design
ofsomesections.WhatiwouldrecommendisfindtheVb(Baseshear)
values
ofdominantmodes(modesinwhichconsiderableamountofmasses
participate),
sumitupandthendistributeittoeachnodeusingtheformulain
equivalentstaticmethod.Thenapplytheforces(nodalforcesstatic)
in
eachdirectionasaseperateloadcaseandanalyseandobtainthe
results.
Theforcesobtainedintheabovementionedmethodcanbeusedforthe
design.
Regars,
N.S.SenthilKumaran.
StructuralEngineer,
Tamilnadu,
India
7/10
24/03/2015
OnMon,Feb11,2013at6:07PM,sharathkn<forum@sefindia.org
(forum@sefindia.org)>wrote:
Quote:
Hi,
Ihaveafewurgentqueries,regardingthespectrumanalysisusing
Staad.Prov8i,
asfollows:
1.firstiwouldliketoknowwhileinloadcaseforSeismicSpectrum,
whetherselfweightforyisonlyenough,orforalldirectionsit
should
beapplied.Alsothemaximumforceasappliedonthenodesshallbe
only
applyforonedirection,sayXtogetherwithresponsespectrum,or
also
ithastobeagainapplyfordefiningresponsespectrumforzdirection
also.
2.Alsoiwouldliketoknow,whetherdesigningcommandcanbe
followed
aftertheanalysishasbeendoneinthesamestaadfile,oraseparate
filehastobecreatedwheretheseinterpretedforcesshouldbeapplied
as
anaxialforceforeachnodesforcarryingoutthedesignoftheframe
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sudippaul
SEFIMember
Posted:SatFeb16,20134:39pmPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i
DearSefians,
Pls.gothroughthe"SIGN"and"DOMINANT"commandin"STAAD".Itwillprovidetheresponsesout
Joined:17Jun2010
Posts:1
ofamodalcombinationwithsignofthedominantmodeorwithsigngovernedbythesignofthe
dominantmodes.
Further,somewhereinSTAAD,Ireadthatbydefaultthemodalcombinationruleautomatically
changesinternallyfromSRSStoCSMandfromCSMtoCQC,dependingontheclosenessofthe
modes,somaybeknowinglyorunknowingly,thebestcombinationrulewillbefollowed..butthe
sameshallbechecked...
Timehistoryanalysisisnotalwaysrequiredfornormalcivilengineeringstructures.....afrequency
domainapproachwitheitherfewmodesorafullfledgedresponsespectrumanalysisismorethan
enough....
Regards
Dr.S.Paul,Manager,Struc.Engg.Dept.,
EngineersIndiaLtd.,
1BCP,ND66
Ihadalwayspreferredtodotimehistoryanalysiswherethe"SIGN"ispreservedFurther,
On16February201312:11,prof.arc<forum@sefindia.org(forum@sefindia.org)>wrote:
[quote]Iamnotcommentingontheuseofcommercialsoftwareasitisthe
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bendingmoments
ARC
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SEFIMember
Posted:MonFeb18,20136:42amPostsubject:SpectrumAnalysisUsingStaad.ProV8i
Dearshivraj,
Joined:27Oct2010
Posts:2
Iconcurwithprof.arc'sreply.Whatimeantby'signswouldbelost'isthatthebendingmoment
variation,shearforcevariationetcacrossthespanofthememberwouldbelost.I.e,therewouldnot
benegativemomentsatsupportsorpositivemomentsatthespan.Allthemomentvalueswouldbe
positiveforthemember.Sotherealvariationwillnotbecapturedifweusesrss.
Andthereisaformulafordistributingthebasesheartodifferentfloorsineq.Staticmethodin1893
code.Wehavetosubstitutetheahwiththeresponsespectrumsaccelerationcoeffecient
correspondingtothefrequencyofthemodeconsideredandtheweightateachfloorlevelcanbe
replacedbyweightateachnode.OnFeb16,201312:39PM,"prof.arc"<forum@sefindia.org
(forum@sefindia.org)>wrote:[quote]Iamnotcommentingontheuseofcommercial
softwareasitisthe
bendingmoments
ARC
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